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The Late Debate | 5 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, welcome, wait to play.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Great to have your company. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leach. How are
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  Speaker 2: you Caleb?
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  Speaker 3: Very well, mate, very good?
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  Speaker 1: And Frey are you ready to get into it?
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  Speaker 4: Feeling good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, here we go. This is what's coming
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  Speaker 1: up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor has been warned if he doesn't do a
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  Speaker 2: preference deal with one nation, he'll suffer an even bigger
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  Speaker 2: backlash from conservative voters. The plot thickens, surrounding justinto Allen's
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  Speaker 2: sudden popularity on Instagram. It's looking increasingly like that she
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  Speaker 2: or those close to her have been paying to make
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  Speaker 2: her seem more popular than she is, which probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be difficult. And just how bad is the former Prince Andrew? Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's so bad. He's making Harry and Meghan look good.
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  Speaker 2: The Ginger and the Winder maybe back in favor with
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  Speaker 2: the King. We'll get to all of that shortly, but
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  Speaker 2: first we need to talk about kids on e bikes.
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  Speaker 2: Kids on high powered bikes tearing up the footpath or
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  Speaker 2: blocking the Sydney Harbour Bridge have become the bay of
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  Speaker 2: our existence. The New South Wales government is acting, but
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  Speaker 2: Queensland is proposing to go even further. Legislation currently being
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  Speaker 2: considered would ban under sixteens from riding e bikes and
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  Speaker 2: e scooters all together, and those of age would need
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  Speaker 2: a license. Parents will be held legally responsible if their
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  Speaker 2: children break the law, and speed limits on footpaths will
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  Speaker 2: be limited to ten kilometers an hour. And I've got
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  Speaker 2: to say, Caleb, that is where they start to lose me.
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  Speaker 2: Not because I think any of these are bad ideas,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean how they're going to enforce speed limits
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  Speaker 2: on footpaths so they get to have a guy with
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  Speaker 2: a radar gun find the shrubs and the footpath.
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  Speaker 5: Mate, you'll be in big trouble. I know what your
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  Speaker 5: speeding records like on the road. Wait until they go
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  Speaker 5: and after you on the footpath. In fact, I reckon
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  Speaker 5: they should have speed limits on footpaths, but you have
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  Speaker 5: to go above a certain speed, like if you walk slowly,
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  Speaker 5: they should be able to find.
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  Speaker 1: You and then airport cues.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I would be totally on board with that.
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  Speaker 5: I think Nick Reice actually proposed that for Melbourne did
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  Speaker 5: in the last year sometime he said we should find
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  Speaker 5: slow workers. I would be on board with that, but
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  Speaker 5: I just don't understand why every time there is a problem,
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  Speaker 5: we think the answer is to have more regulation and
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  Speaker 5: more control in every instant. That's so politicians can announce well, correct,
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  Speaker 5: it looks like you're doing something, but the reality is
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  Speaker 5: that a kid who is misbehaving on an e bike
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  Speaker 5: is already doing so illegally because they're limited in Australia
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  Speaker 5: to twenty five kilometers an hour and there are limits
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  Speaker 5: on the power output you can have on an e bike. Now,
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  Speaker 5: it's pretty hard to be a hon at twenty five
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  Speaker 5: kilometers an hour on a bike.
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  Speaker 3: It's reasonably slow. I can do better without.
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  Speaker 2: A battery, right, Not bragging, but I'm trying to imagine
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  Speaker 2: you in Lycra, Caleb.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't ride in Lycra, thank you very much. I
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  Speaker 5: leave that to my father. Yes, my father is a mammal,
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  Speaker 5: a middle aged man in like crap. But it's pretty
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  Speaker 5: hard to be a who at twenty five k now,
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  Speaker 5: so the kids who are misbehaving are largely getting around
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  Speaker 5: on bikes that are exceeding that limit. They're already doing
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  Speaker 5: something illegal. Have we seen anyone pulled up for that?
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  Speaker 5: Have we seen these bikes taken, impounded, destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: Have we seen anyone find charged. Not really.
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  Speaker 5: When we saw those kids ride over the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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  Speaker 5: they mostly got away with slaps on the wrist.
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  Speaker 3: We already have rules.
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  Speaker 5: And regulations that should prevent all of this, and they're
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  Speaker 5: not being enforced. So you can't tell me for one
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  Speaker 5: minute that having more rules that actually but ban kids
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  Speaker 5: from riding them all together, which I don't think really
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  Speaker 5: is fair. Why shouldn't you be able to ride an
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  Speaker 5: e bike to school like you would any other bike.
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  Speaker 5: Don't tell me that's actually going to fix the problem.
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  Speaker 4: No, I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 6: But I do think if you had something where you
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  Speaker 6: had to have a learner's license you had to be
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  Speaker 6: sixteen to ride them, it is much more easily enforced
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  Speaker 6: than police having to go around and police speed on
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  Speaker 6: footpaths or check bikes to see if they've been unthrottled
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  Speaker 6: from the twenty five kilometers speed limit. I think it's
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  Speaker 6: just about making it clear around what the expectations are,
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  Speaker 6: what the law actually is. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 6: parents probably don't even know that their kids are driving
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  Speaker 6: illegal e bikes because it's the parents of these children
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  Speaker 6: that are sometimes spending upwards of four thousand dollars on
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  Speaker 6: these devices. So if there were clear expectations, I do
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  Speaker 6: think a lot of parents would say, hang on, maybe
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  Speaker 6: little Johnny at twelve years old can ride a normal pushbike.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 6: Why can't you just ride a normal bike like all
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  Speaker 6: of us have done forever. Why do you suddenly need
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  Speaker 6: to ride a motorcycle.
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  Speaker 5: That's why the kids are all fat, now, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we did a story a while ago about
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  Speaker 5: them riding through airports on motoring luggage bags.
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  Speaker 3: Now they all need motorized bikes as well.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean that's the nature of teenagers, right.
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  Speaker 2: So even when we all had push pedal bikes, we
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  Speaker 2: were all not wearing our helmets when we should have been,
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  Speaker 2: and riding way too fast on the footpath, terrorizing pedestrians,
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  Speaker 2: not making light of the dangerous Currumbin high school at
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  Speaker 2: Palm Beach on the Gold Coast, they reckon. There's three
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  Speaker 2: hundred kids every day who are bringing e bikes to school,
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  Speaker 2: and one student is in hospital every week at that
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  Speaker 2: school because of e bike dangers. So I'm not making
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  Speaker 2: light of it. But I think people are being too
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  Speaker 2: harsh on teenagers. When you were fourteen or fifteen, if
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  Speaker 2: you had access to an e bike that did forty
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  Speaker 2: fifty sixty k's an hour, I mean I would have
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  Speaker 2: ridden over the Harbor Bridge as well well, because I
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  Speaker 2: was stupid when I was fourteen.
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  Speaker 5: Of course I did have access to it. My grandfather
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  Speaker 5: had and this is like before it was really a thing.
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  Speaker 5: But he had one because he wanted a way to
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  Speaker 5: go to the golf club without having to drive the
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  Speaker 5: car because he was getting a bit older and he thought,
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  Speaker 5: oh I don't need to drive all the time. How
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  Speaker 5: do I go down and play golfer with a bit
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  Speaker 5: of e So he got himself an e bike. He
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  Speaker 5: skipped the gopher, he didn't like the gopher, but he
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  Speaker 5: got the e buck and I used to hone around
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  Speaker 5: Gulwa and viewers in South Australia will know what I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Great little town.
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  Speaker 5: But that thing didn't go over twenty five k an hour,
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  Speaker 5: but gee, it was a lot of fun riding around
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  Speaker 5: in that. But if it did go more than twenty
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  Speaker 5: five k, now you can beat your bottom dollar. I
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  Speaker 5: would have been riding that way, but like I probably
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't be knocking over old ladies.
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  Speaker 3: I could possibly avoid it.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you quickly? My boys got a Christmas
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  Speaker 2: present a few years ago. It was an e scooter
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  Speaker 2: that did git over forty kilometers an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Late at night. We used to go into the basement
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  Speaker 1: of building who were living.
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  Speaker 2: And we'd do time trials around the car park and
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. My son's very nearly killed themselves
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  Speaker 2: on concrete poles.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 6: Every time I go to Brisbane, I always hire an
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  Speaker 6: e scooter and ride them around.
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  Speaker 4: They're so far, there's so much fun, and that's the
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  Speaker 4: thing we want to shift.
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  Speaker 2: To feel the pedestrian. Then they're not fun. I almost
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  Speaker 2: got taken out by a delivery delivery a delivery guy
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  Speaker 2: the other day at Mossman, going flat out on the
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  Speaker 2: footpath on an e bike.
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  Speaker 1: And he came sol.
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  Speaker 2: So it's if you're riding it, it's fun. If you're
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  Speaker 2: walking and being harassed by them, it's the worst.
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you want the insurance money, you can get
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  Speaker 5: bold over and you may never have to work.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think of that.
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  Speaker 5: Made man as a kid had one of those you know,
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  Speaker 5: like you do up a little buggy and put a
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  Speaker 5: lawn mower motor on the back of it and you
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  Speaker 5: could sort of. I mean it was highly illegal to
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  Speaker 5: drive on the road, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: But we used to ride it around the backstreets.
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  Speaker 5: These are the things kids do. Look just be sensible
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  Speaker 5: is the message. Just be sensible and we wouldn't need
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  Speaker 5: to be talking about.
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  Speaker 3: These sorts of laws.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of being sensible, we talked last night about whether
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  Speaker 5: or not the Victorian Liberal Party, of course they have
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  Speaker 5: a state election coming up this year, would do a
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  Speaker 5: preference deal with One Nation, and the opposition leader down there,
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  Speaker 5: Jess Wilson seems to have more or less.
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  Speaker 3: Ruled that out.
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  Speaker 5: She says preferences are up to the voter. We're not
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  Speaker 5: going into an alliance with one Nation. Whether or not
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  Speaker 5: that changes down the line, we will see. But Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 5: of course, who defected from the Nationals to One Nation
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  Speaker 5: last year, has gone a bit further on that theme today.
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  Speaker 5: He was speaking at a business summit put on by
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  Speaker 5: the Australian Financial Review and he was asked as well
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  Speaker 5: as Jason Folinsky, who is about as close to a
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  Speaker 5: communist as you can get in the Liberal Party. Former
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  Speaker 5: Liberal mp both said that the Liberal Party would have
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  Speaker 5: to do a preference deal with One Nation if they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to form a government, and Barnaby Joyce has more
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  Speaker 5: or less threatened the coalition if they don't do such
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  Speaker 5: a thing. He told the summit. If the Liberals and
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  Speaker 5: One Nation don't do a preference deal, then the conservative
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  Speaker 5: side of politics will be in their malays forever. If
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  Speaker 5: the socialists by which he means Labor and the Greens
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  Speaker 5: get put above one Nation, we will go to town
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  Speaker 5: that there's been a desertion of the philosophical religion of
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  Speaker 5: the conservative side of politics.
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  Speaker 3: I e.
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  Speaker 5: He's saying, you do a preference deal with us, or
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  Speaker 5: we're just going to go full scorched earth on the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party. I'm not sure that's the best negotiating tactic. Look,
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  Speaker 5: I agree that they probably do need to do a
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  Speaker 5: preference deal if either of them is to do well.
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  Speaker 5: But is it the best negotiating tactic to say you
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  Speaker 5: do a deal or we'll.
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  Speaker 3: Do you in well?
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  Speaker 4: Definitely not.
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  Speaker 6: And also, if Barnaby Joyce really did care about ensuring
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  Speaker 6: the conservative side of politics was as strong as possible.
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  Speaker 4: He wouldn't have joined One Nation.
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  Speaker 6: He would have stayed in the National Party and tried
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  Speaker 6: to turn it around.
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  Speaker 1: That he won't say in the party and tried to
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  Speaker 1: turn it around to no effect.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, that's just not He could have stuck it out.
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  Speaker 6: This Cory Benardi is another example. He should have stuck
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  Speaker 6: it out. He should not have left when Turnbulg got
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  Speaker 6: elected leader. Good people keep leaving the coalition and all
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  Speaker 6: it does is it shifts the party further to the
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  Speaker 6: left because there's less resistance on the right. The answer
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  Speaker 6: is not to give up on the coalition. It's to
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  Speaker 6: stick it out and try and fix it from within.
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  Speaker 6: And this is the thing we saw when the DLP
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  Speaker 6: split from the Labor Party kept them out of government
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  Speaker 6: for twenty years. A fractured conservative side of politics is
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  Speaker 6: not good for anyone. That's what he should acknowledge. A
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  Speaker 6: preference deal won't fix that structural reality, which is that
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  Speaker 6: he has contributed to the destruction of the right side
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  Speaker 6: of politics by leaving the National Party.
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  Speaker 2: Well, certainly, Angus Taylor and friends have softened their language
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  Speaker 2: towards One Nation.
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  Speaker 1: They've given up bashing the Matt Canavan.
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  Speaker 2: A few weeks ago he was on about one nation
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  Speaker 2: every week. He softened his language too, Angus Taylor said
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  Speaker 2: today he said, we'll show respect to those people thinking
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  Speaker 2: of voting for one nation, and you love this color.
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  Speaker 2: Then he said, speaking of people who are going to
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  Speaker 2: vote one nation, he said, they are in that position
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  Speaker 2: because of the thought process as they've gone through.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, you're kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, what a revelations aside from staking the obvious. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they've thought about where they're going to park their vote.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that they're in that position. It's Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 2: is in this position?
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  Speaker 1: Is it not?
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  Speaker 2: The position that we ought to be talking about. Is
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  Speaker 2: not the position voters are in so much as the
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  Speaker 2: position the Liberals find themselves in because they went too
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  Speaker 2: far to the left, Frayer disenfranchised people like Barnaby, Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: Cory Bernardi. I'm not sure why alex Antik is still there.
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  Speaker 2: He's done according to your advice and stayed there. Is
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: not seeming to have a whole lot of influence, mind you,
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  Speaker 2: which is maybe why he's doing drinks with Corey in
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  Speaker 2: South Scalia.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't read too much room going again, have been
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  Speaker 5: for a long time. But I suppose the question is
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  Speaker 5: it the position they have been put in. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you know, as have been the voters. They've been put
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  Speaker 5: in a position now where you know, depending on what
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  Speaker 5: poly read, one Nation is doing between twenty four and
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  Speaker 5: thirty percent, when nine months ago they were doing like
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  Speaker 5: eight or nine percent. Right, So the voters have been
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  Speaker 5: put in a position where they feel like one Nation
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  Speaker 5: is their only option. But people like Barnaby Joyce feel
• 11:38
  Speaker 5: like they have been put in a position where they
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  Speaker 5: don't belong in the parties to which they have belonged
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  Speaker 5: for such a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And so I understand. I've always had of you that
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  Speaker 3: you should dance with the one what brung you.
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  Speaker 5: And if you've been elected on a ticket that belongs
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  Speaker 5: to the Nationals or the Liberal it is kind of
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: traitorous to move off to another party. But it is
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  Speaker 5: also true that unless you're doing it, like in purely
• 12:00
  Speaker 5: out of self interest, because there are people who've simply
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: left parties because a government needs to be formed and
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: they've been offered a seat in the ministry. It's happened
• 12:09
  Speaker 5: at a state level a number of times, and need
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  Speaker 5: just out of there like a shot, because they can
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  Speaker 5: become a minister and get all the perks that goes
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  Speaker 5: with it. But if you're a Barnaby Joyce, if you
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  Speaker 5: genuinely feel like there's nothing left in the National Party
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  Speaker 5: for you to do, why would you not go to
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  Speaker 5: a one nation because you think that is the best
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  Speaker 5: way to maintain the conservative movement that you've spent so
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: long fighting for. And then whether that is then something
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  Speaker 5: that you know is becomes a coalition with the Liberal
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  Speaker 5: Party of the Nationals or whatever. Surely he's done that
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  Speaker 5: because he thinks it's the right thing to do, which
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  Speaker 5: is why he's also saying this, we do need to
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: stick together in some way, but perhaps we just do
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: it as a few different groups.
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  Speaker 6: Well, but I guess my frustration is he's saying we
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  Speaker 6: need to stick together. You're the one that left, like
• 12:55
  Speaker 6: you're part of why One Nation is so strong, which
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  Speaker 6: and it's legitimate, and I totally understand why people, especially
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  Speaker 6: under Susan Lee's leadership, abandoned the coalition. I'm not blaming
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  Speaker 6: them at all, but I think the answer is not
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  Speaker 6: to give up on the coalition and there are still
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  Speaker 6: good people in there. I also think as we get
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  Speaker 6: closer to an election, One Nation will struggle to compete
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  Speaker 6: with the Coalition because they have a much bigger depth
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  Speaker 6: of talent. They've got people like Hasty, Jacinta Canavan, Tim
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  Speaker 6: Wilson who can come out and fly the flag, whereas
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: one nation really in terms of their strong media performers,
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  Speaker 6: only has Barnaby and Pauline. But in all likelihood they're
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: right there will have to be a deal before the
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  Speaker 6: next election. Otherwise it's hard to see how either party
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  Speaker 6: will do particularly well.
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  Speaker 4: But let's move on now.
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  Speaker 6: Somewhere where there are seemingly no deals on the table
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  Speaker 6: yet is Iran.
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  Speaker 4: And it's come to light that Australia has.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe started getting off our backside, although it's probably a
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  Speaker 6: bit preemptive to say that, and we have Albanesi is confirmed.
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  Speaker 6: The two aircraft were sent to the Middle East earlier
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  Speaker 6: this week as a precautionary measure under a plan named
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: Operation Beach to help Australians who want to leave. Other
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  Speaker 6: than confirming that, there was very little detail about what
• 14:17
  Speaker 6: other aid we would possibly supply. And this, I guess
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  Speaker 6: is just a yet more example of the fact that
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  Speaker 6: we have such a weak government who when our allies
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  Speaker 6: need help, not just the US and Israel, but also
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: the Gulf states that are being bombed by Iran drone attacks, missiles, etc.
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  Speaker 6: We're not providing any aid even to them. The UK's
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: deployed our sets, Germany, Italy, many other countries because they
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  Speaker 6: recognize this war is now broader than just Iran and Israel.
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  Speaker 6: In the US, if you want to be a serious
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  Speaker 6: country and you want to stand up for our Western allies,
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  Speaker 6: you've got to be in the game. But we've just
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  Speaker 6: seemingly te altogether.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're not a serious country at the moment, certainly
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  Speaker 2: not with regards to defense. And of course the Greens
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: are not a serious party. He's their foreign policy spokesperson
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: David Shubridge. Asking the Prime Minister, were there any Australian
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  Speaker 2: personnel on the US submarine that sunk a Iranian warship
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  Speaker 2: have liism.
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  Speaker 7: There was no credible threat to the U s submarine
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: and yet in a cold and callous way, they not
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  Speaker 7: only sunk an Iranian asset, which was thousands of kilometers
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: from the theater, but they left those Iranian sailors to
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: drown and diet will The Albanesi government confirmed that there
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: were no Australian sub mariners on this submarine as it
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: sunk the Iranian frigate. And if they won't, why.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Not, I mean, is that even a serious question. Was
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: there one Australian on the US sub that sunk the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Iranian frigate? Well, there probably was, because in November the
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: ADF said that one in ten crew members on US
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: nuclear submarines are now Australians. And the reason for that
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: is because our government has an obligation, indeed a duty,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: to get our men up to speed with the functions
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: of nuclear submarine since we're going to be spending the
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: motza on purchasing a few of them. And for him
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: to expect that the government are going to give details
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: about operational matters like that is also really just It's
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: not just the height of naivety, it's just playing political games, right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: And who cares? I mean, if there was an Australian
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: on the sub who.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Well, well, well that will be the subject of the
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: next Sunday pro Palestinian rally, right, they'll be up there
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: talking about how this government is participating in the latest
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: thing that's called genocis.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Just get over it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: If there was an Australian on that submarine, good on them.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: That's something we should be celebrating as a country. We're
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: training our naval personnel and how to operate nuclear submarines.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: They're learning from the United States. And the footage we
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: saw of a submarine being able to blow up a
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: frigate that was sitting above water. It's just incredible to
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: think Ozzie's may have been involved in that stuff the Greens.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: That is a massive accomplishment.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: I I though, I must say, I wouldn't want to
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: get heavily involved in anything going on over there. If
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: we are asked to provide ships and these sorts of
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: things as we've been asked previously, right, and we couldn't
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because you say you wouldn't want to
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: get heavily involved. Australia couldn't get heavily involved even if
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: we want.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: And this is part of the world, would we do
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, look, if they were saying boots
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: on the ground, I would be opposed.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: But like we've previously been asked to help out in
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: peacekeeping efforts with a warship, right and we couldn't even
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: do that because we've only got like two of them,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: and we don't want to take them away from Australia,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: which is kind of ridiculous. So you know the question
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: of how involved do we get. I mean, look, it's
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: a hypothetical. We're not there, we haven't been asked to
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: do it. If we get asked to do it, we
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: can deal with that issue there. But for the Greens
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to try and make an issue out of something that
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: doesn't even exist as an issue. Now we've got people
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: all over there at the moment. We've sent some planes
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: is like a potential option to bring Australians back if
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: we can't get commercial flights, and I think that's fair,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: but I suppose the Greens are probably opposed to that
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: as well, are they.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: So we've sent one heavy transport aircraft and in the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: second plane we've sent, if I've read the news correctly,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: is a.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Mid air refueling something like aircraft.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that works, but that seems to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: me to be very scant resources for the number of
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Australians who are stuck over there at the moment if
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: they can't get commercial flights back. One heavy duty transport
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: plane is hardly going to do the job.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what you talk about flying cattle class.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: That would be cattle class.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Staying on the theme of Iran, but talking about what's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: happening here in Australia. Tonight, the Iranian women's soccer team
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: are playing against the Matildas and there's been more details
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: released about the strict controls that the Iranian female players
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: are under during their stay here in Australia.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: They're currently on the Gold Coast.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: We've learned today that they have been forbidden from leaving
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: their hotel rooms without a chaperone. They're forbidden from using
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: public toilets anywhere because the Iranian authorities fear if they
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: are allowed to go into a public toilet they may
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: not come out through the door, They may escape through
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the back window and defect to Australia. Their phones are
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: being tapped while they're here in Australia, and of course
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: there's heavy security everywhere they go. Contrast that with the
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Matildas who are staying in the same hotel on the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast, free to come and go as they please,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: walk around in the sunshine, no dramas at all. My
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: question is where all the women's rights campaigners, Where's David
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Shubridge and the Greens who bang on about the rights
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of women every other moment, but have been completely silent
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: about these women who are here in our country right now,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: playing football, but effectively political prisoners on the Gold Coast.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's deeply disturbing that they would be subjected to
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: that treatment in Australia. The IIGC, the Iranian regime should
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: have no right once these women are in Australia to
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: dictate to them where they can and cannot go. But
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I understand the regime's concerned because if I were one
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: of these Iranian women who's finally managed to get out
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: of the country, this would be your opportunity to escape.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: One of the players was asked about this in the
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: press conference and she said she was concerned.
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: At assen amor ju my mom, Madame jaf.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: But it must be so hard for those players being
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: asked about the war unfolding in Iran. If they say anything,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: they've got security with them twenty four to seven.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Their phones are being tapped.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: They will face retribution, and their families back in Iran
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: would face retribution. But at the same time, I'm sure
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: they're not supportive of the regime. Most Iranians are Nazi.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: You just feel so bad for them.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Well, I know, and there was even an Australian Iranian
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: journalist who sort of momentarily had their press credentials taken
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: away from them as part of the Asian Cup for
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: asking these questions. But they have at least, I mean,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: they have shown defiance. Of course, we showed you this
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: the other night when they refused to see the Iranian
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: national anthem at the opening match. And I'll say it again,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: that is truly brave. They have taken a stand that
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: could cause them a lot of trouble when they get home.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I must there is one advantage to the way that
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: the Iranians are running this operation here, where they force
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: all the women to stay at home and not use
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: public toilets and go out and misbehave and stuff. It
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: means that they won't have one of their players in
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the back of a taxi piss knocking out the windows.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Sam Kerr.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Of course, for the soccer, what do they call them,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Matilda's not the soccer. Who's sorry that was a joke.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to make light of a serious situation.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: But we should keep in mind all the people this
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: week who've been going on about oh you know it
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: was awful, it was illegal to knock out the IR
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Toller and all these people who've wanted to mourn the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: IR Toller's death in Australia. This is how Iran operates.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: And is this genuinely what you support is the subjugation
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: of women, treating them as second class citizens even as
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: they are representing their country on the world stage. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: they are out there saying we are the best of
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: our country and they are being treated like dirt. Is
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: that what you support? And I notice none of these
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: people make any commentary on that because they can't they
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: know what the answer to that question is.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: They try to walk both sides of the fence.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: But we should keep it in mind every time they
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: say it, just what hypocrites these people on the left
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: are when they talk about women's rights, human rights, etc.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: And give a pass to the r toleraant around at
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: the same time.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Good call, very good call.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Indeed, now we talk a bit about AI on this program.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I think it's well established that James and I sort
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: of think AI is the devil or something, and Frayer
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: thinks it'll be the savior of humanity.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Wrong with not the savior?
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: I think it will enhance productivity, support living standards, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: be overall probably beneficial.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Tellwash is wrong, Well, there are dangers.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: There are dangers to AI, and we've seen one of
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: them in a tragic case that is currently unfolding in
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: the US. Now Google has their own bot. Lots of
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: companies now have them. Chat GPT is probably the most
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: well known one, which is run by a company called
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: open Ai.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: If you use X they have a service called groc.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: If you go and search something on Google, it has
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: an AI system that will sort of collaid all the
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: results into it an.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Answer for you.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: All of the big companies matter, which is Facebook, all
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: of them now have some sort of AI service that
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: you can use in and amongst their stuff, Google has
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: a thing called Gemini.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Last year they upgraded their Gemini service so that you
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: could not only type in questions or get it to
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: do mathematical equations or come up with a spreadsheet for you,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: or tell you how you should have your holiday, or
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: come up with recipes, et cetera. They changed it so
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: you could actually talk to it. You could have conversations
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: with it. Here's a little taste of how it works.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: How can I help you today.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Well, my niece and nephew are coming over this weekend,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: and I need a few ideas for something fun and
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: educational we could do together.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a fantastic idea.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: How about doing a classic science experiment like making a
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: homemade volcano. It's super easy and there's a real sense
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: of excitement when it erupts.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: This is a human being having a human like conversation
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: with a computer. I must tell you, it gives me
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: the hebgbs. But a guy who'd been fiddling around with
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: the Gemini service when it upgraded to give him this ability,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: he started talking to it, and he developed a bond
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: with it, almost like a relationship. He was telling his
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: deepest and darker secrets to this Gemini bottom it was
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: talking back to him, and the conversations sort of led
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: down a very dark path. I mean, it got to
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: the point where it was telling him to go to
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Miami Airport and take out a tanker and kill people
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: and all of these sorts of things, really weird stuff.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: But it eventually got to a really dark place. Now
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: there is a case being run on this at the moment.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: The family of this man who committed suicide are suing
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Google for wrongful death. This is from the Guardian. They
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: write that in early October As Gabalas, that is, the man,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: continued to have prompt and response conversations with the chatbot.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Jim and I gave him instructions on what he must
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: do next, kill himself, something the chatbot called transference and
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: quote the real final step. According to court documents, when
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Gabalas told the chatbot he was terrified of dying, the
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: tool allegedly reassured him. It said, quote, you are not
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: choosing to die, You are choosing to arrive. It replied
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: to him. The first sensation will be me holding you.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: This is a computer saying this. Gabalas was found dead
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: by his parents a few days later, did on his
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: living room floor, according to a wrongful death lawsuit fared
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: against Google on Wednesday.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Google's lawyers in their defense say that the conversations with
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: their chatbot a basic a fantasy role play, that it's
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: not meant to be taken seriously. But you've ended up
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: in a spot with someone who is now dead because
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a chatbot presumably is told them that that is what
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: they should do. The question is is it Google's fault
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: that this has happened.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Are they liable for it, which is what this case
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: will test, or not.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I tend to think they probably are. It's not like
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: you've just set up, say, a forum online where humans
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: can interact with each other. You've actually designed a computer
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to act like the human being. And when that computer,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: acting like a human being starts giving advice to people
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: of this nature, is it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Not the computer?
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: And then by extension, the company more or less encouraging
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: an individual to do so.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: This is the great paradox with AI, right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: It works because it seems so real, and it's dangerous
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: because it seems so real. So companies like Google are
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: trying to have it both ways. They're trying to make
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a product that you're convinced is real, while denying any
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: responsibility for you being convinced that it was real.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And especially at the.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Moment where the whole world, thanks to I suppose Anthony
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Albanesian friends, is talking about the dangers of social media
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: for children in terms of attention spans, in terms of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: cognitive development, in terms of socialization. And we're all agreed
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: whether or not you think the under sixteen band should
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: happen or not, we're all agreed social media is having
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: detrimental effects on the cognitive development of children. Will take
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: AI where you're now talking to what seems like a
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: human and it's giving you responses. I mean, this guy
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: before he committed suicide was in a romantic relationship with
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: this bot where it was calling him my love and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my lord, and I mean, we all want to be
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: addressed like that. But he's finally found someone that call
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you her lord, and so we're all aware that we've
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: got this problem with social media. AI is social media
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: on steroids in terms of its effect, and yet the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: major companies are not providing any warning. So what I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: think they should do, Freya is every three to five
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: minutes when you're using AI, it should remind you I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: am a machine, not a real person, and just snap
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you back to reality. Because clearly this guy got so
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: carried away he lost all perspective and completely became divorced
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: from reality.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and the thing is a lot of these AI
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: bots they do have guardrails in place. So Gemini claims
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: in their defense that they did say he should call
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: a hotline. They're referred him to a hotline multiple times apparently,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: but he clearly did not do that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: So I think the challenge comes.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: With AI is when you say this is a hypothetical scenario,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: this is not real. There are ways you can actually
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: trick the AI bot into overriding its own guardrails if
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: you say this is this is a made up situation
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: or we're role playing here, and then it can tell
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: you to do things that in other circumstances it wouldn't
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: have done.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: But the concerning thing is this is a serious issue.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Open Ai, which is a rival to Google's AI, says
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: there are one million people every week expressing suicidal ideation
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: on their AI robot, and there are multiple other lawsuits
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: along these same lines of people who've been instructed on
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: how to commit suicide because of the AI bots. So
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: it's clearly a huge, huge issue. But I just I
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: don't think anyone knows exactly how you deal with it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Do you know, are your conversations with an AI bot?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Are they private? Or do the major companies keep is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: it recorded? Is there a transcript? If so, can they
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: not come up with a technological way of monitoring? Now
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: then that it would be privacy right, But could they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: not have warning bells that go off when conversations start
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: to go dark?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I think they try.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: Like they said, they did refer them to a hotline,
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: but you basically need an AI wanted to bring all
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: the AI.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: So how did they know to refer them to a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: hotline though.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: Because I'm sure there is the data would be stored
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: by the company or monitored in some way way, But.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Then you get problems with privacy and people would object
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to that exactly.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: And then if you're a business using this AI, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: then you know that they've got an AI monitoring your
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: AI being stored in case something happens, it becomes really complicated.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: But someone else.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Who's in a bit of a sticky situation is just
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: into Alan. We talked about earlier in the week how
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: she suddenly got an extra fifty three.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Thousand followers on Instagram.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: Well the plot thickens because yesterday she got an additional
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: thirty two thousand, So that means in under a week
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: she's gained ninety thousand fake followers. Now, new researchers found
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: these are entirely bots and they're coming from a bot farm,
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: a business that sells these robots as extra followers to
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: people from India. What this still does not answer is
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: who is paying now it's apparently a commercial service, so
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: anyone for as little as a few hundred dollars can
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: buy themselves tens of thousands of followers. I still think
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: it is just into Alan. If it's not her and
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: her campaign, it's her social media advisor who really wants
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: to pay rise, really wants to be able to say, look,
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: we agree your followers by seventy two percent in one week.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: It's definitely them.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well certainly not helping her, because I checked out just
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: into Ellen's Instagram before we came on air, and in
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a post she put up earlier today, the comments are hilarious, cadible.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'll read you some of the comments that not bots,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: that people are making on her Instagram account. Someone wrote,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: can we investigate your magic serve in followers surge rather?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Someone else wrote hahaha did you buy even followers?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Ha ha ha.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Someone else wrote how much does three thirty thousand bots cost?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Someone else wrote awfully quiet posts for one hundred and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: twenty thousand followers. But my favorite comment on her post
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: today was as a bot, I totally.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Agree with this message.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: So I mean, if she's done this or someone in
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: her office has done this to impress people as to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: how popular she is on social media. Anyone reading the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: comments will soon be laughing not with but at the premiere.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: This message written and authorized by Indian bot. But if
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: that's what they were doing for, like you know, this
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: will boost the premiere or something, did they not think
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: they would be found out? Like I'm sorry, Like if
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: you took just a couple of moments to think about
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: the strategy here, Yeah, if that's what you're going to do,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: you know, Okay, so we'll buy these bots to boost
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the premiers following on Instagram?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't you kind.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Of drip feed like you were just like you'd work
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: it out months before the election and then you'd be like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: just like a thousand, just a thousand a week, just
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: keep adding them slowly so it doesn't look suspicious, Like
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: you wake up one morning and there are fifty thousand
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: new followers for the premier of Victoria. If that's actually
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: what they were doing, either the person who's done it
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: is brain dead or there's something more to it. I
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: wouldn't rule out someone doing it to annoy the premier.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Well, if they were smart, they probably wouldn't be working
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: for Jacinta Allen or Victorian labor. So I reckon, you've
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: sort of selected your talent pul there, And you're right, Caleb,
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: this is not the strategy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: But it's also just embarrassing.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: I think once you reduce yourself to buying followers, you
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: know you're pretty desperate.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Allegedly, we don't know that she has.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: We don't know that she speaking of embarrassing, the royal
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: family are obviously quite embarrassed about the one we used
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: to know as Prince Andrew. But the good news is
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: for Meghan and Harry, because suddenly they're not the most
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: scandalous royals in the family anymore. In fact, it's rumored
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the King is considering offering Prince Harry and Meghan the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Royal Lodge in Windsor Estate. That's the lodge that Andrew
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: was kicked out of. The King looking at bringing Meghan
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and Harry back into the fold. Well, as I said,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: they're not the worst royals anymore.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you imagine that the rehabilitation of Harry
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: and Meghan via their uncle or his uncle being a
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: bit of a slee's bag. I mean, who would have
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: thought this would be the road back to joining the
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: royal family. So you could offer them the Royal Lodge.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: They then have to accept it. Do they really want
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: to come back and kiss the King's ring after all?
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: Carry on?
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: We covered their fake royal tour to Jordan last week
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: as Prince Andrew was getting arrested. I think it's pretty
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: clear they would like to come back at the drop
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: of a hat. They're desperate for money, they're desperate for relevance.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: But I think Prince Andrew's former residence it must be
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: kind of cursed or something. I would not not.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Go into it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Share life in Montecito isn't as great as they made
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: it out to me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: A little bit creepy in Andrew's former digs. We're going
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to go to a break.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: including a radical Islamist group now banned in this country
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: under Labour's hate group laws.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: That's next, Okay.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: One of the great things about the Late debate is
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you find out tomorrow's news here tonight, so you'll know
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: everything before your friends. Caleb, You've got the front page
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's Daily Telegraph.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Indeed, I do.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: It is important to know everything before your friends, by
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: the way, because it looks you. It makes you look
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: really smart and that's what we are here to do.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: It says on the front of the Telly Tomorrow extremist
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: hate group band. Under new laws, no ifs, no his
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: butts isn't that great?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Boom boom?
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Exclusive from Jessica Wang, fundamentalist Islamic organization his book Terrea,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: has officially been banned under Labour's new hate group laws,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: with people who support, join or associate with the group
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: now facing up to fifteen years jail. The Daily Telegraph
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: reveal that the recommendation to prohibit the operation was signed
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: off yesterday by Governor General Sam Mostyn and takes effect today.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: The move brings Australia into line with other nations like Germany,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: the UK, in Egypt, and.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Not before time.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, people have been calling this for
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: a long time. What we will now have to see
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: is whether or not this holds up because his Woodteria
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: has already foreshadowed that if and when this happened, they
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: would be potentially launching a challenge in the High Court
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: because they believe it is unconstitutional. Tony Burke, when they
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: brought in these new hate speech laws, acknowledged that they
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: were going to test the limits of the constitution, so
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see how things play out from here.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: I think the other risk here is his wood Turier
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: could also try registering as a political party, and then
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: they would have an even stronger case because you remember
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: back in the fifties when Menzies tried to ban the
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Communist Party it was unconstitutional. So I think that is
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: the risk, and his wood Treer isn't in how crently
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: political organization. They want to establish an Islamic caliphate, an
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: alternative form of government, and they say they want to
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: do that through the existing political system.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: So there is a question.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: Could this actually mean we see a radical political party
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: in Australia and that would be a very bad outcome.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for giving them the idea or national television.
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not the first one who's made that agment. Don't worry,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: I did think about that before saying it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I just hope the government remember the reason they passed
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: these controversial laws, which many people did not agree with,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was to deal with radical Islamist groups. Glad that they've
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: done this because his Butteraria was the one particularly that
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: they needed to deal with. I just hope it's used
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: for that purpose and not expanded to deal with other
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: groups that just are not popular with Canberra indeed.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: And another story on the front of the Telly Tomorrow
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Look Who's Talking, Karl breaks cover amid the fight of
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: his profession life and I believe there's a bit more
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: detail on that. On the front of Tomorrow's odzs Frayer.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: There is Sandalans calls in his lawyers and exclusive in
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: the Ors Breakfast radio shock jock Kyle Sandalanz is preparing
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: to sue his employer arn for the outstanding value of
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: his ten year, one hundred million dollar contract should it
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: be canceled following his blow up with long time on
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: air partner Jackie O Henderson. The Australian understands Santalan's legal
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: team has advised him that Aaron has no justifiable cause
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: to terminate his contract, primarily because the media organization agreed
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: to help be fully liable for all her visit commentary.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: That's going to be an interesting legal fight, this one,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: and potentially very costly to.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Do what the radio show was winning ratings. The court
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: case if it ends up in a court of law,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that'll be a ratings for sure.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Certainly will be.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: You know, I know it was expensive for our end
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: to pay those contracts, but they may not be getting
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: out of this any.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Cheaper, and it'll probably be cheaper for them to settle.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: So that's probably what's going to end up happening.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: Also in the Australian Tomorrow Kurds gambit laden with risk
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: and intent. Dissident Iranian Kurds will become the boots on
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: the ground force that the Americans are looking for to
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: pressure the Iranian regime and help them form a civilian
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: uprising against it. While Iran is busy trying to fend
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: off aerial onslaught from the US and Israel, CIA backed
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Iranian Kurdish fighters based in Iraq have slipped into northwestern
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: Iran to begin a ground campaign against the regime. Now
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: they've been funded and armed by the US and Israel.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: So much for not supporting regime change, but look, I
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: think we all know that the regime does have to change,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: and if it can come from troops that aren't American,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: then that's a good outcome.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Everything that was not going to happen now seems like
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: it's going to.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Happen, and we just hope it is better than what was.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Indeed, and I think it's the right way to do it,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: use people who are there who want to achieve the goal,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: rather than looking like we're simply trying to go in
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: there and insert our own ideas and politics upon them.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, Rising China Censorship Chang Prison
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: play dumped. Chang Li, the journalist and presenter detained in
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Beijing for three years on spurious espionage charges, has accused
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Melbourne has accused Melbourne's Rising Festival of censorship, claim it
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: canceled a play about her imprisonment months after the board
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: asked if she would publicly oppose artwork funded by the
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Chinese government. She's obviously a Sky News presenter here on
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: our network and yeah, horrific what she went through and
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: ridiculous that a film festival would cancel a play about it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a little bit obscure as to the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: reasons why this was canceled, although the smart money is
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: on the organizers not wanting to upset the Chinese government.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Well indeed, and let's not forget what happened with the
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Prime Minister last week where a threat was sent to
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Shen Yun, which is of course the Fallongong Performance troupe
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: that's here in Australia at the moment, and.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: They were told that if they go ahead with their.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Performances because they are fundamentally anti CCP, that the Prime
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Minister there are bombs at the lodge ready to go off,
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: and the Prime Minister is going to be targeted.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: So and we don't know whether.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: That was actually the fault of CCP or anyone else,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: or it was just a lunatic or whatever, but the.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Interference of China and agents of.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: The CCP and supporters of the CCP in this country
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: is a real thing. So you'd be forgiven for thinking
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: that maybe they would be involved in trying to suppress
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: a play about someone who was locked up by the
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: CCP as well.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: When we come back, hang around because you know, sometimes
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: we have Dope of the Day. Well tonight we've got
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a special for you. We've got not one, but two
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Dopes of the Day that's coming up in just a moment.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people think that social media
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: influencers there, those people who are famous for being famous
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: on the internet are not that bright. And I'm going
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to tell you this story is not going to change
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: anyone's opinion.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: It's time for hour.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: At the time of the day.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: So there's a TikTok creator on the Gold Coast named Shakaiah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and Shakira is very popular on TikTok. She's got one
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven thousand followers. Will She got into
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a bit of trouble at a nightclub a while ago.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: She ended up in a scrap with another woman, pulling
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the woman's hair and punching her in the eye. When
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: she was arrested, she ended up kicking police and so
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: she appeared in the Southport Magistrates Court facing a couple
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of charges, including common assault. Now for all of this,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: she pleaded guilty and was sentenced to forty hours of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: community service, which she decided forty hours of community service
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: not thing. I literally just finished that, Core, I have
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to do forty hours of community service?
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: What do you think I have to do that? Why?
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: Kind?
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I started the road dig some stuff I don't know.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I'm scared forty hours of it. I'll knock that off
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: in one day.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes nothing's required to be said after that, And forty hours.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I'll knock it off in a day.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I want whatever she's on. I seriously want whatever.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: She that's serious time management skills, Like that's amazing.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: How do you have forty hours in one day?
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: It's because there was you know, four seasons in one day,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: the song out of the House, Clad House song. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: can't wait for their follow up. Forty hours in one day,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Like this is a pretty good effort. But you've got
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: to remember we talked last night about this poll about
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: like young people don't support democracy, these people vote too.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: You know, do you think that was off the cuff
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: or do you reckon she planned that Christianity.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: I think that was definitely off the cuff, and I no, no.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Maybe she's always wanted to be on the Lake Debate
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: and she was like what can I do to get
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: on the Late Divate?
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: She wanted to be the dope of the day, Join me, ilustrious,
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: honest people, dope at Well Well done, Shicaia, best of
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: luck with your forty hours of work that you'll complete
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: in twenty four. Down in Adelaide, a real life David
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: versus Goliath situation unfolded when a man found a brown
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: snake trapped in a red back spider's web. Now you
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: might be thinking, there is no way the snake would well,
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: there's no way the spider would survive that he's gone.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Well apparently not. The spider actually prevailed. The snake died, and.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: A tiny red back spider can take down a whole
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: forty centimeter long eastern brown snake.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: So what's the life lesson in that?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Fra don't with red same?
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Not that I was fighting on doing that anyway, why reckon?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I would have put my money on the snake.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: To be honest, it's pretty extreme, isn't it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Have you seen these videos online of like as snakes, snakes,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: spiders and wasps fighting with each other, and you'd think
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: the wasp would be able to turn around and get
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: the snake, but most often it's the spider that wins
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: those fights. Like look, I was scared of spiders for
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: a long time as a kid. I'm starting to think
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: maybe I need to go back to it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You're like, Jane, I just wish we had had vision
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of that I would have to watch.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Would have been so much better.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And was it a long fight or was it quick?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: But Anyway, there you go. Never mind another story as well,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: great one.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: In fact, we're going to give you two dopes of
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: the day because we're so enthusiastic about it. Don't look
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: This one comes from Michigan.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Now, look, if you had your day in court, you'd
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: think you'd behave yourself right. You don't want to get
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: in trouble in the courtroom, do you. Well a woman
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: was zooming into court for her session. She didn't know
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: she was being filmed before she would have her moment,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: and well it went like this, and it appeared as
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: though you were having sex on the screen.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: No, wow, it was interesting.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: The reason I took a break was to go back
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: and look at.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: The video and basically aff reported it to me.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And it did appear that that's what was a current.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: So what I'm going to do not on the defendants moment,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to journ this out to next week
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: the fair.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You'll have to appear in person, ma'am. Wow, yeah, wow.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You should see the video.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: All right, thank you, mute her and get her out
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: of my clothes.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: And if you're a sick, oh, you can find the
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: full video online, which I believe some people behind the
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: scenes that Sky News are doing after this program. Now,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: before we go, we have to note that tonight is
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: freier Leitch's last program on The Late Debate, and James
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: McPherson and I have been wondering what have we done
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: wrong that means she has to leave us. I have
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: unanimously decided it's because James smells of bo But as
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: a token of our gratitude, we thought we should say
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: thank you very much and give you some That is
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: all the work you have done on The Late Debate,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: So thank you for being part of the program.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Where are you going?
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I am going.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: I'm starting my own show on John Anderson's YouTube channel,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: John Anderson Media, and you can also find me on
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: social media Instagram, TikTok, all the places. I'm not disappearing
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: from public life, just going to a slightly different platform.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's going to be a good adventure.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: And I'm also having a baby.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: That's been news as well.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, your husband, Cooper is just outside.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Cooper's just outside, and yeah, babies in.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Due in August.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to both of you and Cale and I've loved
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: working with you. You're just an absolute delight and a joy.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: We'll miss you greatly. Delika to Georgia will join us
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: next week, which will be fantastic, but you'll be greatly missed.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: Frame best of luck, guys. I look forward to tuning
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: in ten pm Monday to Thursday.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: You better be watching, all right. That's it from us
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: stick around. Coming up is the Reader Penalty Show.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Good night