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Two Women and a Pig with Hannah Gadsby · Dear Chelsea

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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and
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  Speaker 1: Mighty Tour. In August you can find me in Red Bank,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary that's Canada. And
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  Speaker 1: September I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New
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  Speaker 1: York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston,
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Babies, I'll be there. And then in December I
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  Speaker 1: am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So
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  Speaker 1: get your tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High
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  Speaker 1: and Mighty Tour. Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea.
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  Speaker 2: Are you on a boat?
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  Speaker 1: Where am I? I'm on the Amalfi Coast.
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  Speaker 3: Hell, Yes, I am off shore on the month.
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  Speaker 1: I've decided to work in oil? Where you are? I'm
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  Speaker 1: on an oiler. You're an oil rigger, yes, I'm an
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  Speaker 1: oil I felt like I had to get down to
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  Speaker 1: my roots, and that is oil rigging. You know how
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  Speaker 1: popular that's been.
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  Speaker 4: Down to your roots in and down into the sea.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I just am happy that I'm not in America
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  Speaker 1: right now, and I'm enjoying my free time while I
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  Speaker 1: have it. I have the month of July off before
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  Speaker 1: I get back on tour. Everybody, I'll be back in August.
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  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I am drinking and swimming and
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  Speaker 1: acting like the way God intended me to behave.
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  Speaker 4: And meanwhile, like the powers that be over here are
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  Speaker 4: dropping like flies.
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  Speaker 1: So I know, I can't believe. Though, When are they
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  Speaker 1: gonna admit that Mitch McConnell's dead? I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: I know that photo that they posted is like clearly
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  Speaker 4: AI because the newspaper he was holding like the picture
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  Speaker 4: is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a thing about it online.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah, But if the Democrats can't get it together
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  Speaker 1: to get them to prove that Mitch McConnell is dead
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  Speaker 1: before that special election kicks in, then they deserve that,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, get it together, and
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  Speaker 1: you cannot. This is weekend at Bernie's. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: honestly was laughing when I heard this. I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: is seriously happening in our country.
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  Speaker 4: And you heard the thing about his assistant called to
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  Speaker 4: cancel his like country club reservation, and they're like, why
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  Speaker 4: do you need to cancel She's like, my boss is dead.
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  Speaker 4: That was like two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, no, I didn't hear that. That's even better.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna make movies about this. It's so stupid. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna make movies about a lot of this.
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  Speaker 3: It's fully Wagged the Dog totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good movie. It's Wag the Dog
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  Speaker 1: beats Weekend at Bernie's. But Wag the Dog is good
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  Speaker 1: for anyone. If you're listening and you haven't seen that movie,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth seeing that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and also we should mention, since we recorded this episode,
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  Speaker 4: poor Bonnie Tyler has passed away, which is a subject
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  Speaker 4: of conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, Bonnie Tyler died. Yes, this comes up in
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  Speaker 1: this conversation. They were gonna go on a cruise with
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  Speaker 1: Bonnie Tyler. Well you'll hear it. Listen to the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we had a really good time talking to them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our guests from their blockbuster comedy specials Now
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  Speaker 1: at Douglas and then Something Special and their new special
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  Speaker 1: Woof is on YouTube now, so please welcome Hannah Gatsby. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Gadsby, Hi, welcome to America.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much having me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love you. I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're such a breath of fresh air.
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  Speaker 2: You should spend more time with me. I change.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to love from Afar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to keep the distance.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are keeping the distance because you live in
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  Speaker 1: fucking Tasmania, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're from Tasmania.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, but I'm on the mainland these days.
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  Speaker 1: How did you get over to the mainland?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Ships, ahoy, we've got a faery.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to Tasmania.
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  Speaker 2: Now tell me about that.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing, you know, some dates in Australia. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought my cousin and I thought, oh, we should
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere we've never been. And somebody said you should
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  Speaker 1: go to Tasmania.
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  Speaker 2: And he said that to you.
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  Speaker 1: In Australia, this guy, Johnny, his name is Johnny Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I'd like to yeah, exactly, I'd like to shout
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  Speaker 1: him out. And he said, but before you go, you
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  Speaker 1: have to read Robert Hughes's book the Fatal Shore.
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  Speaker 2: That's intense homework.
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  Speaker 1: This is a book that is about eight hundred pages.
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  Speaker 2: Have you read it, Hannah, Yes, yes I did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When I was studying out history, I didn't read at all,
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  Speaker 2: flick through.
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  Speaker 1: Well I did.
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  Speaker 3: I read all of it, and.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I love books. I love books.
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  Speaker 1: I read your book. I loved your book. I read
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  Speaker 1: that book and I was in Tasmania and it was
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  Speaker 1: such a disturbing book because it talks about the colonization
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  Speaker 1: which started in Tasmania for all of Australia and.
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  Speaker 2: All the people that they would are going to pull
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  Speaker 2: you up.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't entertain that, let's have a chat this okay.
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  Speaker 2: So Tasmania was the second penal colony, its great word
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  Speaker 2: after Sydney. Because they landed in Sydney set up the
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  Speaker 2: jail situation. They thought, it's quite nice here. This is
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  Speaker 2: hardly punishment, and then like, let's find somewhere terrible. And
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  Speaker 2: that's when they said, well Tasmania, Like it's so it
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  Speaker 2: was the second one. And then what were you going
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  Speaker 2: to say about Tasmania. I take a while to warm up.
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  Speaker 1: It's no problem, afilin Tasmania was the more severe penal
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  Speaker 1: quality where they took the really bad guys and where
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  Speaker 1: they had And funnily enough, when you go to Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: like if you go on a boat ride in Sydney
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  Speaker 1: and you're coming back in, you're like, can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: bringing a bunch of prisoners and criminals here? Like and
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  Speaker 1: then why you're like, this is paradise, Like why would
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  Speaker 1: you be against that? So but obviously it wasn't paradise
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  Speaker 1: because the book The Brutality a Fatal Shore is that
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  Speaker 1: book gave me for four days in a row in
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  Speaker 1: Tasmania reading about the whipping and the lashing, and they
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  Speaker 1: would hang these guys by the post and then the
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  Speaker 1: guys were eating people. They would trying to escape and
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  Speaker 1: they're in the rest here.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's Alexander Piace you're talking about there. So when
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  Speaker 2: they've gone, oh, Tasmania is terrible, and then I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: well it's coming together. Let's find another island. So they
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  Speaker 2: found another island on the east coast, the furthest away
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  Speaker 2: you can get from Hobart, which is the only town
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  Speaker 2: in town. And Alexander Peace and a bunch of his
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  Speaker 2: buddies on this island broke out and then like, we've
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  Speaker 2: got to make our way to Hobat and it is
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  Speaker 2: and it is still really dense wilderness, Like there are
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  Speaker 2: parts of the eastern coast of Tasmania that no one's
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  Speaker 2: been no west west coast that's where I'm from, that
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  Speaker 2: no one's really been through, you know. So it's dense
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  Speaker 2: and ancient forest, right. And they made their way to
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  Speaker 2: Hobut eventually, but only Alexander Piace arrived because he had it.
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  Speaker 2: He just eighties other escapeees on away, like one by one,
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  Speaker 2: and and then they said, well you should go back
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  Speaker 2: to this island. And then he escaped again and some
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  Speaker 2: people went with him, and at that time he just
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  Speaker 2: they got to the beach of the mainland of Tasmania
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  Speaker 2: and he just ate them there. He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: need to walk this far. I just like eating people now.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, that's what I happened.
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  Speaker 2: I'm told we were elated. Whenever we're get in trouble,
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  Speaker 2: you're at Alexander Pears.
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  Speaker 1: That's good, that's a good recall for his name.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, though, is in Sydney and in Tasmania, all
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  Speaker 1: the streets or lots of the streets are named after
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  Speaker 1: these prison wardens. So you're walking down the street all
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  Speaker 1: the names from the book, I'm like, why does this
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  Speaker 1: sound familiar? And then I'm like, oh, this was named
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  Speaker 1: after one of the prison wardens. Did you ever notice that?
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  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, we're very proud of our terrible history.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a direct descendant of a lady off the first fleet.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't quite the first fleet, it was the second fleet.
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  Speaker 2: I think they talked about it, and that's all the
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  Speaker 2: the floating brothel because they realized everyone was dying, and
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  Speaker 2: then they thought, you know, we should just send a
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  Speaker 2: lot of women down there. And so it was just
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  Speaker 2: a ship full of women. And my descendants stole a
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  Speaker 2: Bible classic and that was the only ship that arrived
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  Speaker 2: with more people on it than left because they just
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  Speaker 2: had babies on the way. They had a birthing tent
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  Speaker 2: on the deck because usually when you'd stop in all
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  Speaker 2: the ports on the way, if there were women on
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  Speaker 2: the ship, they'd be rowed to other ships to have
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a plow and and.
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  Speaker 3: No, just want to put that out there, but kind
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  Speaker 3: of funny and.
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  Speaker 1: That there's just the language.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, And then so but there's a lady on board
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  Speaker 2: who took all these young women under her wing and
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  Speaker 2: established the floating brothel. And it was just like, no,
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  Speaker 2: these guys can come here and I'll protect all these women.
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  Speaker 2: So and then they had a berthing tent on board,
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  Speaker 2: and I think they had three or four berths because
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  Speaker 2: it took takes so long to get there. My descendant.
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  Speaker 2: They landed in Sydney and everyone's like women. And then
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  Speaker 2: they so they sent her off to Norfolk Island, which
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  Speaker 2: is just off the way off the east coast of Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and that they colonized that because they thought Norfolk pines
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  Speaker 2: are great for building boats and they're not. So then
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  Speaker 2: they're just stuck there on this wild island. There. They
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  Speaker 2: lived in threes. Polygamy was established there and every household
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  Speaker 2: got two women and a pig, and so it's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 2: And then she went to Tasmania. I don't come from
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  Speaker 2: good stock.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, two women and a pig.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. She eventually got, you know, after she served a sentence.
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  Speaker 2: She got a huge plot of land outside Sandy Bay
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  Speaker 2: in Sandy Bay in Hobart, which is the posh suburb
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  Speaker 2: like you know, but she sold it for a barrel
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  Speaker 2: of rum obviously. Mm hmmm, yeah, so that's yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: Fatal Show is Yeah, I quite I quite like that's
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  Speaker 2: an uplifting book for me. It's full of hope.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just thinking, like, two women in a pig
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  Speaker 1: is better than being on your own with the pig
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  Speaker 1: and a guy, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: A pig sounds great if a man is not there, like.
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  Speaker 1: But even if a man is there, I would want
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  Speaker 1: another woman and if I absolutely you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: better than to be alone with the pig and the man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not many of those marriages lasted.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations on your marriage. How long have you been married now?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you? Hello? Five years? Five years?
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  Speaker 1: What words of wisdom? What kernels of wisdom have you
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  Speaker 1: picked up from being married for five years?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think five years is not long enough to
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  Speaker 2: just like let me do you know, like that's I
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  Speaker 2: haven't even out to the seven year itch.
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  Speaker 1: Let me let me rephrasee it. Then, let me rephrase it.
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  Speaker 1: How has marriage impacted the way that you see yourself
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  Speaker 1: as an individual on this earth?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Well, cohabitating that someone has made me understand just
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  Speaker 2: how badly I operate through life. So it's having a
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  Speaker 2: constant witness. That's both alarming and comforting, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: you know, being seen by someone all the time. I
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  Speaker 2: quite enjoy it because I have the capacity to disappear. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed it. Nice. And that's not very funny.
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  Speaker 1: No, and you don't have to be funny. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's a serious question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've made a rod for my back, haven't I.
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  Speaker 1: I watched your new special. It's called Wolf. Everybody listening.
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  Speaker 1: It's now out on YouTube. It's Hannah Gatsby's newest special
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  Speaker 1: and it's very non traditional. I liked it. I liked
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  Speaker 1: the opening particularly. I want to bring that up because
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  Speaker 1: I have a big history. We're probably of the same age.
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  Speaker 1: I have a history of Cabbage Patch children in my
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  Speaker 1: life and I as soon as you started talking about that,
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  Speaker 1: it brought me back to the time where parents were
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  Speaker 1: going to Toys r Us at six o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: standing in line for Toys r Us to open to
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  Speaker 1: get the right cabbage Patch kid for their daughter, which
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  Speaker 1: was me, and they never got the right one. I
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  Speaker 1: got two premies before I got a real one, and
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  Speaker 1: one of them had to say, yeah, they had got me.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Rudders, the runts of the litter the rudders.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, so I got two of them. Then I got
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  Speaker 1: a fake cabinet because my dad was like, fuck this shit,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not standing in line at Toys r us at
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  Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, and I was like why not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like everyone, I need to bring a cabbage patch
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  Speaker 1: to school to be legitimate, Like I have to legitimize myself.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a cabbage patch?
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  Speaker 2: There was nothing a cabbage patch doll could do to
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  Speaker 2: legitimize me, Like I think you have to be edging
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  Speaker 2: toward legitimacy. But no, I got a I think called
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  Speaker 2: an ice cream doll, like it was a fake one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when cabbage patch dolls took off, other people like, well,
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  Speaker 2: let's people prefer ice cream. You think the ice cream
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  Speaker 2: doll would have taken off before a cabbage patch doll,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like cabbage right ice cream? Correct. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: like dolls, so I wasn't and they were not. They
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  Speaker 2: were ugly. They were objectively ugly, and they always used
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  Speaker 2: to confuse me why everyone was excited about them. And
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  Speaker 2: then but you trace it. It keeps happening like la
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  Speaker 2: boo boos, and every generation has this and like I
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  Speaker 2: think the trick is dolls of frightening.
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  Speaker 5: But there is actually an answer to your question because
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  Speaker 5: you're talking the special about like where did all the
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  Speaker 5: cabbage patch dolls go? And there was I think I
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  Speaker 5: think it was a my strange addiction that they covered
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  Speaker 5: this on. But there is this couple in like Ohio
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  Speaker 5: and they have like fifteen thousand cabbage patch dolls and
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  Speaker 5: they have names for all of them, and they have
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  Speaker 5: parties with their friends, and they have like a special
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  Speaker 5: building that's you know, heat temperature regulated.
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  Speaker 1: It's very imagine they have friends. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: list that there's a litter that's a kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of obsession that truly include a lot.
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  Speaker 1: What did you play with when you were growing up
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't like cabbage patch kids?
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  Speaker 2: I liked to play with my with my animals. I
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  Speaker 2: had a dog. I just smucked about. Really we lived.
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  Speaker 2: We were sort of quite feral. There's a lot of swimming.
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  Speaker 2: I played golf.
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  Speaker 1: Do you still play gold?
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  Speaker 2: I picked it up again. I used to play. I
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  Speaker 2: was a state champion. Wow, the state was Tasmania. So
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: we can just back off the impressiveness there, excuse you?
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  Speaker 2: And so that that was what I did on weekends.
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  Speaker 2: I would play. It was a little country golf club,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: so basically girls just hanging out with the elderly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I know you you suffer from
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  Speaker 1: social anxiety and that you've talked about panic attacks and such.
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  Speaker 1: Was that happening when you were a kid too?
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  Speaker 2: No, because I was just hanging out with old people.
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  Speaker 2: Take the stress right off. Tea and biscuits. They don't care.
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  Speaker 2: They're just happy someone's talking to them. I just walked
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  Speaker 2: the walk the straight. I knew who had who had
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  Speaker 2: bad mobility and biscuits they can get away from me.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us when did that stuff? Like when did
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  Speaker 1: you start identifying that something or that you felt some
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  Speaker 1: way about your like disposition or that you had panic
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  Speaker 1: attacks or that you had anxiety, Like at what age
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  Speaker 1: did that become relevant to you or that you had
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  Speaker 1: a name for it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not. While I was a child, you didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: name for it. I just got tired. I'm sort of avoidant,
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  Speaker 2: and I get burnt out and tired, So I just
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  Speaker 2: become a potato as as opposed to a jittery bug.
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  Speaker 2: But as I've gotten older and like, I just can't
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  Speaker 2: impress upon people enough. Just how isolated my childhood was.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's Tasmania. As you know, Chelsea is very isolated.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's a hop, skip and a jump to
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  Speaker 2: get there, and it is. But in the eighties it
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  Speaker 2: was even more isolated. You know, there just wasn't we
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  Speaker 2: had two or three channels on television. Leaving the state
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  Speaker 2: was prohibitively expensive, you know, and it's incredibly inbred. It's
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  Speaker 2: like it's a bit like Iceland actually, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Iceland and Tasmania get studied a lot because of the
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  Speaker 2: purity of our genetic pool. Wow. They say purity, but
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  Speaker 2: I say it's you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, you don't meet a lot of Icelandic people that
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  Speaker 1: have left Iceland, you know what I mean. They're not
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  Speaker 1: about in the world, Like you don't run into people
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  Speaker 1: from Iceland. And you're the first person I've met, well,
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  Speaker 1: the first person that I know of that's from Tasmania.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple of people like I can't remember who
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  Speaker 2: they are, so we probably shouldn't talk about.
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  Speaker 1: You also can't have that kind of competition.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: No, Although I'm not a very competitive person, I'd rather
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: not a very big part of being Australian is understanding
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the power of being second best.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Well, right now, right now, you're doing a lot better
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: than we are, so I wouldn't.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I know. I think that's a lot to do with
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: our attitude because you guys are so hopeful, you're always striving,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and sometimes being still is better. I think it's really interesting.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I think we're an interesting experiment because of you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: we're both settled, we're both American Australia both exist because
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Britain couldn't get this shit together and they still can't
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: get their shit together, but they don't think about that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Britain should never be responsible for drawing maps.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, You raise a very good point.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Like they've just shown time and time again that every
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: time they draw up a new border, bad stuff happens
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: for centuries. But also, but you guys were settled because you're, like,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you know, hopeful and thought that Britain wasn't pure enough,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and we were settled because you know, they needed somewhere
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to send the dregs. So we understood who we are
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: from the beginning. Your country is built on this, like
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: we're better than that, and we're just like we're not
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: even good enough. For that dirty Island.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Dirty do you know? When I went to Tasmania for
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that first like three months before the trip. Once we
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: booked the trip, I was convinced I was going to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Africa because of towns.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: In here, oh mad the amount of times, the amount
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: of times people think I'm from Africa.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Well, if the shoe fits.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. Yeah, I was doing it. I had one
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: of those lovely general meetings back in the day. This
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: is when I was too naive to have meetings in Hollywood.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: My success is really funny because it's just I just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: got launched into a place that really only very ambitious
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: people belong and it was so you know, i'd given up.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I was too old, not too old, but like I
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: was forty, and you just get enough information to go, well,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to be a superstar. I'll just hang
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: out here and do my thing. And then all of
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a sudden I was in a place where I really
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: needed to have different muscles anyway. So I was taking
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: these meetings and not making the most of them. But
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that funny ultimately, and I think it was Warner Brothers
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and they were all, you know, you know, when there's
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a feeding frenzy on, you know, and they're all very
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: excited this is past. And they made me a cup
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of tea. They were very keen to make me tea,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: or they asked me if I wanted tea, and so
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I said yes because it's tea. Then at the forgetting
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I was in America, no offense, and they're like, oh no,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Like they offered me take didn't know how to make
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it and made like the hottest water in a paper
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: cup and I couldn't hold it. And it's like, thank
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you for the tea. And I'm like, I'm gonna have
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to drink this because they're like, is it good. I'm like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it's too hot. And then they went around the table
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: telling us each who they were and why I should
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: be interested, and of course they bought in the whole
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: department of reality television. And you know that who's the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: guy with the cowboy hat? He was there, the one
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: who's ruined the world.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, the guy that did The Apprentice. Yeah, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know his name, but I know who you're
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, giddy up. He was there and someone else in
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: his team was talking and they're like, oh, we've done
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the Bachelor. The Bachelor you've seen The Bachelor. The Bachelor's amazing.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's very big in Australia. I'm not sure about Tanzania,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I was, you know, I'm like, I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: was gonna say, I think he means Tasmania. But then
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the tea burst through and then there was no more.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: There's no more meeting. So I really nailed that one.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: When was the last time you were here? Probably when
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I saw it with you?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you saw me. Yeah, that was a hell
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of a party, wasn't it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It was? It was. That's a good party, actually really,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I had a good time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It feels like any party with comedians is like a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: wedding with only brides.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I like a daytime event. I like a daytime party,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and I like to meet. I like to get that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: fucking shit over with, like and not so for that,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I like it, and I like when all the comedians
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because the truth of the matter is, you don't get
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to see a lot of comedians in real life unless
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you're working out at comedy clubs. You know, when you're
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: touring and stuff, you see your people and you don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: really get to mingle with them. So I do like
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that aspect. Of that party, and I love that it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in the daytime, and I love that. Yes, I like
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that party. That's a party that I will go to.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You obviously feel what differently.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I just don't like parties. Yeah, right, And then what
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: concerned me about that party was the moment when speeches
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: started happening. But I don't no one knew where the
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: speeches were. And so you just hear this voice over
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the cast over the garden going Excuseberry, Hello, and everyone's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: just sort of looking around. I'm like, you're trying to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: run a live comedy festival. You need to know where
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to put a stage, and I have people understand where
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to look when you're talking. So I was worried about
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the logistics.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So I heard what you said earlier about America, and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I like what you say. I think I agree with you.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: We think we're better than everybody. What are your other
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: impressions of America, Like your first impressions when you came
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: over here for the first time.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, Americans are very friendly and I enjoy that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Sometimes your voices can pitch a bit loud, but that's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the accent. The way that you speak. You really your
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: tongue gets out of the way and there's a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of noise comes out. I've learned the American accent, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I will not speak because it is too loud coming
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: from within. I started easily, so the only way I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: can speak American is with if I do like a Batman,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: So I can speak American, but I won't go louder
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: than that. I like Americans. I married one. Yeah. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: think it's always an interesting thing when you have an
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: idea of a culture and then when you have to mingle,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: it breaks apart, like the idea of a national identity
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: always breaks apart because individuals ruin everything. This is true.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: This is true. How did you and your How did
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you and your wife meet?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Jenny was my producer of Nannette when I took it
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to New York, so she was looking after me. This
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: was before it went on to Netflix, and she was
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so good at her job, like she knew what I
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: wanted before I wanted it. She's like, oh, do you
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: want a cup of tea? And I'm like, no, oh, oh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: actually I think I do. You know. That kept happening.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So when I was gearing up to do my first
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: world tour and we were spoken, she was at a
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: loose end and we I brought her on to sort
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: of help me tour. We had a strong working relationship
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: before I wore her down.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And how did you make your move?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't. We apparently we looked back on it, and apparently,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you know, we we were dating for a year before
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: we understood that we were dating. We just did everything
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you go that was romantic. Didn't clock that. And Jenny
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: was being very professional. She's very professional, very good job.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And I was just hyper aware of the you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Weinstein factor, which was my employee. So you know, we
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: how long was it, Ginny? Nine months?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: We're nine months you were and you were working together
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: for nine months before you became a couple. Yeah, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we know you're not good at a party. We know
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you don't like parties. We know you don't want to.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, Chelsea, I have to tell you something. I'm doing
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a gay cruise in August through the Mediterranean. Three thousand people.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I accepted because it's through the Mediterranean and sailing through
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the path of totality for the Total Eclipse, and the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: headline act was going to be Bonnie Tyler, but she's
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: now in an induced coma and not going so now
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just on a boat, and I thought, you know
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: who might know how to handle that is Chelsea Handler.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Have you done a cruise?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: You know what, Hannah? Even I know not to do
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a fucking cruise.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Fucking hell? What have I done?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, I really think you should get out of that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Really something I do a lot. I'm like, I don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like these things. I don't like these things, and then
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: for some reason sometimes I just inexplicably move toward a thing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I do that?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Should I do that too?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So? Yeah, so that's what this is. So I guess
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I'm anyway. So you've not done a cruise.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't. I have an aversion to cruises, and that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: what's your version?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It's probably the same as so.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Many people, the amount of people stuck on one pile
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of essential basically garbage, because that's what you're doing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: You're floating on garbage.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And it's too many people, and it's you run. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: don't want I don't want to be trapped. It's everything
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that you already think, is what I'm saying out loud.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: What have I done?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: How long? How long is the cruise?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I did it for Bonnie? Nine nine nights? Nine?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought we're going to say nine months.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Yes, I'm doing a reverse convict.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, how long is the sun totality?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I thought that was like a night.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so nine days in the Mediterranean. I mean you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: should just bring your journal and keep track of everything.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming Jenny's going with.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You, Yes, Jenny. I think we'll have a lot of fun.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Is there going to be gambling on the cruise?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, they all have a casino. I think it's a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: gamble to go on from.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: That is funny. That is funny that you signed up
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: for Bonnie Tyler and now she's in a coma. I mean,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, how glorious.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Would that be, Little Bonnie Tyler, little Welsh witch, just
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: belting out total eclips of the heart doing an eclipse
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: on a boat.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Well maybe she'll come too in the Timeez not, when
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: do you set sail.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: In August? It's done. I'm stuck on a boat without that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: They're going to have to get some musical act.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And everyone's going to be so excited. And I can't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: rain on their parade. They've saved up for it. This
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is their yea as much as it's my nightmare, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: then I have to do two hours of comedy during
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the Moroccan themed night party, and but back to back,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, yeah, I'm sure I'll be funny.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Like an early show and a lad show.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean take pictures, is all I have to say.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And take some videos as well.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Okay what I might do, And this is what I
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: tend to do because I don't live on the surface
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of reality. I like to you know, the constant posting
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: of what you're doing now is not not anything I've
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: ever been able. It seems to be too soon, right,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I'll keep a daily diary and then post it later.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, that's better. It's better that way anyway.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I like when I see people post about their trips
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: after they've had some thought put into it, rather than
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it means. I agree with that. So you're way ahead
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of the game in that department.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Only they're just like so they're sending all the things,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and they're just like, as long as you cover up
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: your balls, your penis, and your vagina at breakfast, anything goes.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that was that in writing?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It was in writing?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, I would use that as a that would be
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a big red flag.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Well, they send it after you sign the contract, so.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Right, it's like a nine day party, which it is
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: going to be a party.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: But I do do you drink or do you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I probably will?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: You don't strike me as someone who drinks or does drugs.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on, I do. I'm a dark horse.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: When Your Special Neat came out, it was humongous. It
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: had a huge cultural impact and huge reaction from people.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I want to know how that impacted you and what
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you thought about.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: That it was massive. I don't think I kind of
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: appreciated because you're in the middle of it and it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: quite intense, and it was just such a I think
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: what I struggled the most with as it's you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I've moved away from it, is that it like, it
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: was such a personal show, and up until the moment
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it went on Netflix, it was mine, and you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the story was who I was telling in the room.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm a live performer. I've not done much screen.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I've done a little bit, but not with my work,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you know, so my audience was built on people I'd
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: spoken to who were sharing the same room as me,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and this was my first adventure into not that you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: so by understanding of who my audience really disintegrated. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: then when you start to write new shows and stuff,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you're like, who are you talking to anymore? And I've
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: always struggled with that, like who do you know who
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: your audience is? Chelsea? And does that like do you
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: sometimes go, well, I'm changing a little bit as a human.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: How do you bring your audience along with that without
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: sort of alienating them? Because people really do like your
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: old stuff better than your new stuff, and like it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: always this constant conversation and because you don't, I don't,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm at a loss, like I feel at Sea.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest feeling for me at the moment
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: is I quite afraid because I'm not a benign figure now,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: so anytime I speak up about something, it's a you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: it can be a problem. I'm a lightning rod, like
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it or not. And and you know, it's not like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: me too worked. You know, who would have thought hashtag
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was not actually equal to actual structures of power. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: so we're in the middle of this disastrous and angry backlash.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And I you know, as soon as I poked my
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: head up I'm a target and so that that feels
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: quite frightening. So on the one hand, I've trauma bonded
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on a grand scale, so I could start a cult.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's like, you know, there
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: are angry people at people are angry at me. Still.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, first of a, if you're going to start
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a cult, you're going to have to go back to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Tasmania to do it, because that's the proper place for that,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the proper backdrop. But what about the opposite part of that,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: all the love and adulation you got, didn't you notice
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that as well? I totally hear what you're saying, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I think people are really hateful and bigoted and everything. Yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: everything we're experiencing in the United States specifically and on
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a global level, but specific to me because that's my experience.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Our experience is everything feels like a like the overturning
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: of Roe v Wades feels like a repercussion of me too,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and feels like a repercussion of times up, like men
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, you think you're gonna tell on us?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And then no. I think what we're discovering is there's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: a reactivity where culture is saying we would rather not
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: feel bad, and we would rather not feel bad about
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: this and continue to do this like it's just like, oh,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: we've just discovered they have no shame mm hm. And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that's you know, that's what you have to do the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: other side of it, you know. I mean, when you've
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: got sort of complex trauma going on, hearing positive affectation
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: is incredibly difficult. My team drip feeds me praise, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: we've got a nice message from a fan, you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: because sometimes I can't take it on and then I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: resent the fan for writing. I'm like, why are you
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: talking to me? But over time I've and because the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: heats disappeared a little bit, you know, and I'm left
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: with my fans, and I have a really lovely fan base.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So I'm learning how to exist in that. It's nice,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you know, and I do like my fans, and that's
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: where that's where our work is now. You know, I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: sort of hit that crossroad where it's just like you
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: need to have wide public you know, I guess success
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and then you can have a career, Whereas now you
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: so that if you can find your audience, you can
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: have a career. And so I have an audience and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that feels really privileged. You know. I feel like younger
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: comics are really struggling to find, you know, because industries
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: in such flux. The world we know has changed, so
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: it's not like we can give actual advice to new
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: comics because the landscape is so different in the way
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: they're finding their audience is so different. So it just
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: feels like a really unstable landscape. But I feel very
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: grateful for my fans.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And you want awards.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you want a Peabody Award. You won the Emmy,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: didn't you for your so you must have that must
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: have felt good.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt frightened for about the Emmy because I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: did beat out Beyonce and speaking of dedicated fan bases,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: so my first first words were sorry. But that's probably
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the Australian part of me. It was so big for me.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: What other people understood it to be and what I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: understood it to be has taken a long time to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: sort of synthesize. But I feel like I'm there now.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But it's it's over, is there?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Is that one of the reasons what what you're describing
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: why you didn't want to film this standup special in
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a more in the traditional way.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Well, when I mean, as soon as I started doing
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that tool Wolf, it was clear I was in a
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: bad way, Like I was in a very bad mental
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: health situation. And you know, you could just see other
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: people who you know, in the middle of a working
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: phase and under stress and not in good mental health,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: they say and do things that are very destructive, not necessary,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and and I'm like, you know, because you can't when
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you're you know, sitting on an anxiety that a tour
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: means you can't tamp that down. You du like, right,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I'm on tour now, I'm constantly traveling, I'm putting out work,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I'm self promoting, I'm in the public eye. You don't
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: get to tamp that down. So if you're starting up here,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a dangerous space to be. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: in a volatile time, you know, like it's things were
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: really heating up, particularly for my people, because you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that was the time when you know, the scapegoating of
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: trans and queer people really you know, started to drop.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And you know, because people forget because the Internet makes
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: it feel like we have a voice, but we don't
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: actually have protections. But the voice bit upset people. So
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: we became the scapegoat, so you know it's fear. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: was afraid, and also you know it's a physiological thing
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: for me. I don't like change, and tour is nothing
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: but change. So I understood that, and I'm like, I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: don't want because I do overthink it a bit because
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of the nature of the natte. I understand that my
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: fan base hang on to my work because, like I said,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I've trauma bonded, like it means stuff to people that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it's that has nothing to do with me, But I
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: am the figurehead of that, and I take that really seriously,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like I don't want to abuse that, you know, because
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you know when I did Nanetta, it was like I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: didn't I didn't give a trigger warning, you know, like
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it was a the angry as people of course were
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: men and particularly male comedians, and then it filters down
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: from there. But there was also I knew that risk
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and I was happy to take that. But the other risk,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: which was always an unknown for me, is like it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: people have experienced similar trauma. This could either be cathartic
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: or really damaging. Like I took a little of care
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: in the show writing a show that it was something
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that could hold as a piece of work, like I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: wasn't you know, this wasn't you know me sort of
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: trauma bombing, like I'd work this out, like I thought
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: about this, this was you know, you know, I channeled
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: a funneled a rage instead of just sprayed a rage.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, well said, that's exactly right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But having said that, it's like all my decisions, I'm like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I feel a duty of care to that audience not
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to muck about, and I was up here with this anxiety,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: so and you know, I look back on this decision,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going, that's a decision only an anxious mind would make.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But I really and I think it worked out in
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a way. I'm just like, how did I channel this
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: instability and direct that to Netflix in my career because
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: it's a victimless crime, you know, like if I make
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: these odd decisions, and like, you know everyone and this stage,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Netflix was like everything's funny, and so I ran in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: an experiment like are you funny? Though? Like can you
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: be the joke? And I think I've told too many
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: hostile jokes about Netflix to really truly be welcome on
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the platform. But it's a two way street, Like I
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: don't Netflix fucking sucks, like they made transphobia profitable and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: they formed very deliberately a feeding frenzy on a tiny,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: tiny minority, and we have no recourse, you know. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I remember at this party that we went to in
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Netflix and this you know, Ted stood up once everyone
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: worked out where to look, and he's like, we have
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: made the world less to busif because we've opened up
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: free speech. You know, I mean, speech just needs to
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: be free because it's important and it's powerful and it
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: can you know, make people feel things, and you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: when you're adjuit people, then you can maneuver for people.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it's flooding the zone. And they paid no care,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: absolutely no care. And because I am that person, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: whenever it's like if you can't say you know, the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the transphobic debate within comedy, I was the
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: figurehead and they pulled me into that, you know, Ted
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: put me up as that, like we have Dave Chappelle
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and we have Hannah Gatsby, but I don't get paid
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: nearly enough for that, right, you know, like I don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: have those protections. I don't, you know, like and it
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: was just a very vile time. So I channeled that
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and I only went to the Netflix as a joke thing,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: so that you know, I used it as they paid
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for my airline tickets and my top surgery and I
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: haven't spoken about my top surgery publicly, but it's just like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you know what, that's a good use of their money.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And it just, you know, it feels so hostile because
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: for a lot of those guys, it's just sport. They're
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: just like what can I say? Who can I upset?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: How close to the edge can I skate? I'm like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: good on you, But there are people who are trying
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to live there and are actually you know, we're losing
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: our rights, you know, and it's people hostile and I
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: think Netflix was really cavalier with that. And it's not
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: like I expect anything to change. People hate us now.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: It's been established, like people are sick of us talking,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and the tide is too angry and activated about you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: everything else. There's no point trying to change that now,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's too big and too angry, and we are
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: a scapegoat and people are distressed, and it's a moment
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: in history where people like you know, people are scared
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: of losing equality of life that they currently exist in
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and that's across the whole spectrum, from billionaires to people
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: living in abject poverty. But it's not the responsibility of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: people who are on the struggle bus to sort of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: rain in their terror. It's the people who have genuine
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: privilege that have a responsibility and they're not taking it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So did you decide not to go back to Netflix
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: for this?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Is that? It was that A, I don't think we're speaking. Oh,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think I'm on the radar anymore.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, I mean, so you're on the radar
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: for sure because you were at the party.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I mean no, I don't think I'm on Like, I'm
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: sure I'm on the radiar, but I'm not like I
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: don't think did.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You go to them and try to sell them the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: special they're special?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: No, that's what this point the point of it was
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: like it's like I deliberately made something they because they
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: had the first ride of refusal, and so I made
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: something they Yeah, it doesn't exist. It's just an animation
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and an audio only and I knew, like I wasn't
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to stick it to them, Like I
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: know it's a losing battle. But when you're like I
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: was in dist so I thought, this is these are
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: victimist crimes, Like it doesn't matter. I can't do anything
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to Netflix, They're too big, it's over, it's done whatever.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But a little fight felt good in that sort of distress.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I was feeling, Yeah, you must feel a big I mean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the way you're talking about it makes me really kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of understand, have a better understanding of the responsibility that
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you must feel and or the own and the onus
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that you must feel for like being a figurehead and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: what that means to people, because I hear what you're saying,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and yeah, it's pretty it's pretty hard to watch men
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: get away with such bad comedy and picking on the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: people that need the like need the allies the most,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like picking on that. It's like, if you're such a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: good comedian, why aren't you going over there and thinking
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of something more clever and picking on the higher levels
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: of like fruit that are that are so easy to grab.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't do good for your career. Like that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: what I did. I went for the high fruit, and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you know they don't love it. You know, it's it's
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a complex time to be alive. Though this isn't personal
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: it's everybody is distressed.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you handle your stress?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Now? What do you do?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I've clocked off. I don't listen to the news. I
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: don't I'm not on social media. I am early onset quaint.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going on a cruise, but I don't think that'll
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: help me connect.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Now that cruise is going to set you back.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I think I'm running experiment of like, what is it
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: like to be a human not involved in social media?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fruitful. It's much more fruitful than.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Being Yeah, but it's also interesting because you I'm losing
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you're losing touch. So as a comedian, it's like, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: what do you talk about? Then? How do you connect
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: to people? But it is very calm. I highly recommend it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: How long have you been off social media?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: About four years? Four or five years?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too dangerous for me.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I hear you. I hear you. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: think it's probably dangerous for most people. But people are
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: so addicted that they can't.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It's really this is you know, I'm not an economist,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and I don't understand you know, broad economic principles, but
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: it's a logical extension of capitalism. You know, it's like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: making money now is culture. So you know, for a
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: long time it's culture happened elsewhere, but now making money
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: is our culture. It's not cultural capital, it's just capital capital.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And that's what social media is. It's you know, turning
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: art into data points. And now everyone's trying to create
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: all the time, all the time. If you don't say something,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: you don't exist. If you don't put yourself on the screen,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: don't exist. And you know, people are talking about it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: over here, and then it's constantly moving and I I,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: as an organism, cannot cope, you know. But I grew
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: up in such isolation. And I see people my age
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: losing their minds because they're on social media too much.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: They melted.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: My sisters and I were on a girl's weekend. We
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: went to Sedona, Arizona, and my sister Simone was saying,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: we were talking about the state of affairs in our country,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and she was like, we have no culture left. America
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: has no culture, and that's the capital.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like the price you pay for capitalism,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: which sounds in theory like a great idea, but put
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to practice, ends up being something completely opposite. Of what
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: the intention is and then the average that comes with
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the capitalism, and then this whole experience with technology and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: what's happened. It's like there's no soul, Like the soul
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of our country is gone and has diminished so greatly
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that I don't know, like I do you feel like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the soul is gone in Australia?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Do you feel the same way.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: It's gonna happen? You know, there's a slide beginning, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: we're a bit delayed. It's not as bad here, but
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: it's just there's no escaping it. I don't think, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: because the we're going to continue having more and more
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: natural disasters and no infrastructure to help people, you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: recover from these things. You know, natural to the existence
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: of being human is ebb and flow. And the way
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: we've built things is like we always strive and building, building,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: and we've just created a pile of fucking jenger and
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: we just got to watch it. You know, were you?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: But you?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least your country was smart enough to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: prohibit social media for sixteen year olds and.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Under all, Australian kids are going to reach eighteen like
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: their homeschooled you know, it's going to have these like
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you know, like what does that mean for and they're
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: on social media? Well, no, it's not like it's been successful.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It hasn't.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: No, their kids know how to get around it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but parents aren't parents held responsible if their kids
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: are on social media. There, I know they did that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: There they didn't do.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's one step. That's a major step that
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: needed to be taken.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, I mean, I think the regulation of
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: social media and Silicon Valley, like, I mean, I started
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to think, what's going to happen once the circle jerk
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that is Silicon Valley collapses? You know, like it's going
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to imploded. It's something, you know, it's just a it's wild.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's a wild time to be alive. It is so
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: many unstable men with huge swarts of power, and it's
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: just like that's we know this doesn't work.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a question. If it's in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: order to avoid this cruise that you're performing on, you
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: had to go on a boat with Jeff Bezos and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Lauren Sanchez, that's option one. I'm gonna give you a selection. Okay.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: One option is Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. You have
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: to go away with just the two of them on
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the boat and have every meal with them for a week,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: for a week, for the nine days. Sorry, you're going
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: for nine days, So nine days you can either go
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: with them. You can go with Elon Musk and whoever
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: he's dating, or you can go with Mark Zuckerberg and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: his wife for the nine days.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You have to choose one of those couples.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, well not Elon Musk.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry I threw that one. I'm sure they are the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: same way about the same thing, so.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: They're a trifecta. I think I could cope with all
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: of them because I would make them jump overboard. I could,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you know, if it's just them, I could work them.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I would win on one on one with any of
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: those guys like I can't. I will outrage. I know
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: how to annoy people like that. I've met Jeff. I
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: annoyed him.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Did you When did you meet him?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I went to his silly little camp, oh Amazon for Amazon? Yeah? Yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: how was that? It was weird? It was a cult.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: And I told him, why don't they stop trying to
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: start a cult? You're not charming enough.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Ah, I know he really isn't he did?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: He did all the things. They invite people, but they
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: don't tell them why, and sometimes they invite you back,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and sometimes they don't. It's what I want. And he
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: was trying, you know, He's like, oh, let's get all
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: this culture here. I'm like, what the culture you're actively
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: trying to destroy? Cool story, buddy.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I once went to one of those think tanks
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: weekends for Google years ago, and I just remember I
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: met some interesting people that I'm still in touch with,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: but overall it felt like you were, yeah, a part
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of a group that wasn't going to age. Well.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, think tank's are funny concept.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: It is a funny concept. As soon as if once
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: you all get together, you're going to come up with
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: all these great ideas and solutions.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Because we know committees work will Yeah, aren't you happy
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you don't have a child? You know, Klinder, But who's
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: going to look after me when I'm old? You know?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: The genis why you have children? No, that is not
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: why you have children. Look part of me, Yes, absolutely,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: because it's just so much to think about. And then
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: as like, as soon as you have a child, you've
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: got to start booking them in for their education. It's
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: so much, you know, so much decision making. And then
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: but I think, you know, the idea of children remained
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: sensible because it's like it keeps you connected. I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to recede. I'm I'm just full witch. I'm
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: great guarding Greg grey Garden.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Why don't you go out and about at all? I mean,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you're not going to receive by just because you're off
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of social media. I don't buy that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: No, I'm actively trying to go out and about. I
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: really became a lock in. I got the anxiety was bad,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: and then I became a habit. I didn't recover from
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the pandemic. I just wasn't leaving the house. So I've
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: started taking myself on little jaunts and just rebuilding my
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: confidence because you know, when the net happened, like I
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: couldn't go out. It was really a lot, you know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't used to being perceived. You know. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: was someone who could go out and observe and that's
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: how I lived, you know, skulking. So it sort of
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: like took me a long time. Now. I took myself
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to the football as I went to a major sporting
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: event the other day, being in a crowd was kind
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: of exciting a lot of men. I think it's important
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: to keep an eye on the patriarchy. So I'm following
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Australian rules football and Formula one.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I saw that you were into Formula one and I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: was wondering what that was about. I've been to a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Formula one race. I went last summer in.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Nahtich One, Miami, or I was in Europe.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I was in Europe. Oh, I must have been in Barcelona.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Outside of Barcelona. Yeh yes, yes, yeah classic.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: How did you go? Too noisy? Right? Too much?
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I loved it. The catering was incredible.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, what did you have? What's now everything?
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: They had beautiful catering stations upstairs in that VIP section
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and you could get a steak, and then you could
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: get pasta and then you could get I mean they
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: had everything you could imagine. And it wasn't like just
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: nice food at a VIP event. It was next level,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: like it was beautiful food, beautiful drinks. I mean I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: barely watched the racing, you know, I wasn't really there
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Did you do the grid walk?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I did? I did do the grid walk?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Did you get that really insanely awkward interview was his name?
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Obsessed with him. He have you ever watched that happen
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: outside of the one you participated in?
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I have watched it. I don't know that I saw
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that interview. I've seen one, but not that interview.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: He's just walking through. Nobody wants to talk to him,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and he's just him and the cameraman and they don't
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: know how to follow each other, and he has the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: most awkward conversation. I live for it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was quite awkward actually, because, yeah, they
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: put you down with all the other like VIPs or
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: celebrities that are there, and I'm not in a Formula one,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: so I don't even want to be like, I don't
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: even want to be seen there because I don't want
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: to have to answer questions about Formula one? Do you
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? I'm just gonna sound like a
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: fucking asshole. So I was like, please, I don't want
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to be interviewed. And then they wrangle you and they
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: ask you questions and you're just trying to be as
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: banal as possible in your answers and responses. But yeah,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: it was quite a It was an interesting watching those
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: guys get into those cars. That was where they're like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: they're holding these hoses to them to keep them cool
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: with air conditioning because they're so so they're blowing this
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: freezing cool well free on I think, onto them or
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: not free on, but whatever it's called coolant there. They're
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: blowing it onto them as they get in these suits
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and their cars. And these guys are dripping before they
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: even take off, and that's before the car.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: The door is closed. So I was more like shocked
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: by the.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Door is closed.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: There's no door, right, whatever that is, it's a tough thing.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: They just.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Put a little like oh yeah yeah, like a heavy scoff.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: That was my.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Takeaway that there was a door. So obviously I was
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: playing very close to touch it. But I was more
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I was more concerned about their temperatures. I couldn't get
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: my mind off of how hot they must be.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Because of all the fire retardant they're wearing or what.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I think. It's a pretty high. Also, it's just a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: hot sport, like they're sitting there running motors and reving
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: engines and so it's really hot in that room where
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: No, famously, not a lot of trees on a Formula
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: one track.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Well, Hannah Gadsby, this has been a very big pleasure.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy you. I am glad that you have
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Jenny in your life.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're glad.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you're doing well. And your new
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: special is fantastic. It's called Wolf.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody can watch it on YouTube.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: It's also a full album like it, certainly the twenty
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: minutes on YouTube, and then there's like the eighty minute
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: show on audio only.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I like, yeah, And so it's like a book on tape,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: but fun much funnier, much funnier than any funny book
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: on tape, that's right.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I like tape tape, funny book tape.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Doors. You know, we're bringing all the stuff back tape, doors, driveways, heat, whatever. Okay, well,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: well Hannah, we'll let you go. Thank you so much
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: for your time today.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: We're doing questions, food.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: We ended up talking. We ended up talking for a
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: full hour. This was a full hour, so we don't
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: have to take questions. I'm so looking forward to I
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: knew you weren't looking forward to that, so I kind
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of was like, let's just keep talking. You I had answers,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: all right, I love it. Thank you so much for
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: being with us.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: It's been lovely. I one day will hang out.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well when I come to Australia, I'll hit you up.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a plus fun on the cruise if
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me think about that, let me sleep on
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that and get back to you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Well, best wishes. You're doing a mouthless job. I also
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: enjoy you. I enjoy how you've evolved. It's not not
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: as in you had to evolve, but in like as
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: a human, we evolve and it's hard to do that
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: in the public eye when people want to pin you
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: where they understand you and I think you you've navigated
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: quite a graceful career.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Oh that's so nice of you. Thank you, Thank you.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I can do it.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, you can lo poo. That's Spanish for you can
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's Spash for I can do it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Chelsea. Chelsea, I can't speak English or
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Spanish anymore.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to say to that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Adios.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Oh of course, goodbye.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Bye, Hannah.
• 58:41
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