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101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure · The After Ever After Podcast

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  hello everyone and welcome to the after ever
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  after podcast the show where we take a look at
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  disney sequels to truly see what life is like
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  after ever after my name is andy and with me
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  as always is james hi oh my god it's been so
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  long i know it's been a nice little break but
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  i'm glad to get back in the swing of us yeah
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  i've missed it like it was nice to have a little
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  bit of a break But I've missed talking to you.
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  I've missed reviewing. I've missed our wonderful
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  audience of three people. But yeah, I've missed
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  it. I've been itching to get back into the seat.
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  I couldn't be more excited because we're talking
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  about... What are we talking about, Andy? 101
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  Dalmatians today. Two Patches London Adventure.
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  Patch's Revenge. Without the Santa Claus in the
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  middle, we've got two dog films in a row. So
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  when we finished recording Lady and the Tramp
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  2, which was called Scamp's Adventure, and we
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  did not like it at all. And then we looked at
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  what was next, and it was a film called Patch's
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  Adventure, or Patch and Slytherin's Adventure.
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  I think we both felt so drained. Like just the
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  idea of having to do another one of those quality
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  movies. As soon as it was like child of the main
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  dog adventure or revenge or whatever, I was like,
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  I don't want to do this at all. On the flip side,
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  I do love 101 Dalmatians. So I've got like high
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  hopes, but I'm like cautiously optimistic about
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  it. I agree. I really like 101 Dalmatians. I
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  think it's a lovely film. And I did re -watch
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  it for this one because as always, when I think
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  that I've watched one, most likely I haven't.
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  And I would say... that this one is the one that
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  I remembered the most, apart from a couple of
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  parts. We do like to, as always, before we jump
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  into the film of the week, we like to look at
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  the Disney films that weren't so lucky to continue.
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  We like to go through all the Disney films in
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  chronological order, so following Lady and the
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  Tramp. Before 101 Dalmatians, there was another
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  film, so let's dive into what we like to call
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  Before Ever Before. We are. The trains are going.
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  And we're steaming past. What film are we steaming
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  past? Well, we've just left Lady and the Tramp,
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  which obviously had the sequel. It had some comic
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  books and nothing much. It had the live -action
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  remake, which was panned. particularly badly
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  horrendously oh it was terrible I hated that
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  movie it was a Disney plus launch title thing
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  and it was just no good but following Lady and
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  the Tramp Disney made Sleeping Beauty which is
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  I think it's a bit of a strange one in the Disney
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  pantheon because it's kind of like iconic but
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  then I feel like it's also like the lesser talked
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  about iconic princess movie compared to like
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  Cinderella and Snow White and stuff like that.
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  Well, it's like, I remember you and me talking
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  about, was it on Cinderella where we talked about
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  the Disney princesses with the least amount of
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  screen time? Yes. And number one is obviously
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  Sleeping Beauty because she's... she's asleep
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  so what's she gonna do yeah um i feel like she's
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  probably the one as well where most people don't
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  even know like her name like i say most people
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  if if i think a lot of people know her name but
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  like if you had to ask people and there was one
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  that they forgot the name of it would probably
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  be uh princess aurora from sleeping beauty um
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  i was i i was i i was about to be like don't
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  let me don't tell me what it is because I wanted
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  to see if I could get it and I knew it began
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  with an A but I wouldn't have been able I would
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  never have got Aurora honestly but I don't even
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  I may have seen it as a kid I'd be happy to say
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  I haven't seen it though because even if I did
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  see it as a kid it would be like in passing I
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  want to watch it but I just haven't got it yet
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  I think I'd like I think I'd like to watch it.
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  Sleeping Beauty never had any sequels, as we've
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  discussed. It never had a TV show or anything
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  like that. The main way that this film continued
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  is the Maleficent movies with Angelina Jolie,
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  which are retellings of the movie from Maleficent's
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  perspective, where it's like, oh, she was actually
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  good all along and all this stuff. So I think
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  that character's shoved her way in at the spotlight
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  more than... Sleeping Beauty herself. And those
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  movies are... I don't care for them, but whatever.
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  They must be popular enough to get a sequel.
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  Was this before or after Wicked? Before. Well,
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  after the musical. Way after the musical. Right,
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  okay. But before the Ariana Grande movie. They
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  were probably trying to capture some of the magic
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  of the Wicked stage show before that. turned
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  inevitably turned into a film yeah i wouldn't
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  be surprised if they were heavily inspired by
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  it but no i i've not seen any of the maleficent
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  films they did not interest me at all so okay
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  so i have just quickly double checked so the
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  idea came from a meeting in 2003 uh and it was
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  inspired by the recently released then wicked
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  musical so you bang on the money i'm a genius
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  I don't really remember much about these movies.
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  Angelina Jolie's great in it. She looks absolutely
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  copied from the cartoon and all this stuff, but
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  I didn't really care for the entire story. She
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  was good all along or whatever. I don't even
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  remember what the second one's about. Probably
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  a little anti -hero kind of Venom moment. Oh,
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  Venom's not too bad. He's alright, actually.
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  Just trying to redeem them kind of thing. It's
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  like the... the spum universe of disney this
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  in the cruella movie which i'm sure we'll talk
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  about soon oh shit yeah it's got something to
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  do with sleeping beauty i think i don't know
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  if there's uh any other villain movies that they're
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  planning on making like like these two but uh
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  yeah i'll just leave them in the dust honestly
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  they're just not great, are they? No. We'll talk
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  a bit more about Cruella shortly, but yeah. The
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  only other ways Maleficent has continued other
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  than... Sorry, the only other way... See, I told
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  you she's the spotlight character now. The only
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  other ways Sleeping Beauty has continued other
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  than the Maleficent series is the usual suspects
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  of Kingdom Hearts, Disney Infinity... Disney
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  Magic Kingdom, Disney Princess games, stuff like
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  that. But nothing very focused on Sleeping Beauty
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  itself. And obviously the castle is a huge, iconic
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  thing of Disneyland. Is it the Disney logo or
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  is it the Cinderella one? I don't know. I thought
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  it was the Cinderella one. Cinderella, you're
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  right. Cinderella Castle is the fairytale castle
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  at the centre of the... The theme parks. Oh,
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  it does say it's inspired by both of them, though.
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  Yeah. Oh, well. That's cool. She's outshone by
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  the villain and the inanimate castle in her own
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  movie. Yeah, that was that one. That was that
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  one. But on to this week's focus, which, well,
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  before we get into the sequel. The first film,
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  101 Dalmatians, was the film that initially followed
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  Sleeping Beauty. Is that distracting? I'm sorry.
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  This came out in 1961. It's directed by some
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  usual suspects of the Disney pantheon, Wolfgang
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  Reiferman and Hamilton Lusk and Clyde Geronimi.
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  I probably butchered his name. screenplay by
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  bill pete it's based on a book by dodie smith
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  uh the book was only released five years before
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  this that's quite strangely contemporary for
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  this movie to just oh wow be adapted on that
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  recent book yeah that's crazy i i would never
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  have thought of that No, yeah. And it cost about,
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  like, three, four million. This came at, like,
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  we've definitely gone through this a few times.
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  It seems like Disney at the time were, like,
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  constantly in a state of, like, like, Schrodinger's
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  Disney. Like, they were in a state of either,
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  like, living on top of the world or, like, a
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  crisis at the studios on the verge of breaking
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  down. And this was one of the latter ones because
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  Sleeping Beauty didn't do so hot at the box office.
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  They were losing a lot of money and the animation
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  department was at risk of closing. Oh, crap.
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  In hindsight, the idea of making a movie around
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  101 spotted dogs that animators would have to
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  animate is insanely ambitious. Every single one
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  of these dogs is going to move uniquely in all
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  of this and they're all going to be completely
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  different and all the spots are going to be completely
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  different. This is going to be hard work, lads,
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  but I think we got it. That's crazy. The only
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  reason this film could possibly exist is they
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  looked into new processes, which I'm sure we're
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  going to talk about. They used something called
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  Xerox photography to aid in animation, which
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  transfers even drones from animators directly
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  to animation cells. So there's no like income
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  process. It saves a lot of time and money. One
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  outcome of this, which is like a limitation,
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  but I think it's amazing. they always have like
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  the scratchy outlines so it's not as oh dude
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  it's one of my favorite parts of the film how
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  scratchy and how beautiful it looks i love it
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  but disney didn't like it at the time and it
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  was very controversial whether or not they'd
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  keep doing this yeah well what does he know but
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  chuck jones who you probably know the name of
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  um he's like a famous animator uh not at disney
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  but yeah done a lot of looney tunes and stuff
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  like that yeah yeah he he thinks that disney
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  would have completed this film for half of what
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  it would have cost uh if they didn't have this
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  process so it probably wouldn't have ever existed
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  if they had a ink all of the spots and stuff
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  god damn that's crazy yeah and they saw that
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  like we said they saw that as a as a trade -off
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  with the scratchy look, but I loved it as well.
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  I thought it looked absolutely beautiful. Do
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  you know what? I can understand it because every
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  single film that's come before it has had, you
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  know, this beautiful, there's none of that scratchiness.
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  So people, I can see why Disney would have been
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  like, people are going to think this is a downgrade
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  kind of thing, but... I think it just gives the
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  film so much more character. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, it just feels unique. It feels like it
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  stands out from all the other Disney films. Just
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  the only other thing with the animation is there's
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  actually a quote here. So Ken Anderson is the
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  name of the studio's art director at the time,
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  and Disney hated this so much. he was like looking
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  at like the the style of it and he said yeah
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  yeah you can fool around all you want to with
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  it and stuff like that like basically saying
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  you can try it but like he's quite dismissive
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  of it but there's a quote where um apparently
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  when the film was being made um he said we're
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  never gonna have one of these goddamn things
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  again and he said ken's never gonna be an art
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  director again And apparently they made peace
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  just before Walt Disney died. But yeah, he was
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  not happy. Oh my God. Again, what does Walt Disney
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  know? Fucking loser. But what did you think of
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  101 Dormitions? This film's fucking lovely, isn't
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  it? It's really, really nice. I think there's
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  a couple of scenes that... And a couple of sections
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  of the film that are a little bit too long. This
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  is a short film, but God, it feels long. I don't
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  think that's helped by the twilight bark. Holy
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  shit. It is the longest scene and it's all, I
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  remember you messaging cause I hadn't seen it
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  at the point, but I think you were watching.
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  our next film and you said what is it with like
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  disney and thinking that kids love the military
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  and stuff like that yeah i was like what are
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  you talking about like surely there's nothing
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  like that with uh with 101 dalmatians no this
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  is like the most like in the middle of it you
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  just get this hefty thud of just military jargon
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  and all of this stuff and it takes forever that's
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  my only complaint about it it's so just like
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  shut up stop and i get that it was at that point
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  like in time where kids were so obsessed with
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  like their dads or their granddads were in the
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  military you know with post world war ii by what
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  20 years 15 years something like that so they're
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  obviously gonna have that kind of thing and think
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  that these people are heroes and they are like
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  the coolest people and all of this but god damn
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  it took forever yeah it's uh i think you're probably
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  right on the money with the the reason why we
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  get these military like disney seems to have
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  a fascination at this point of uh a fuddy -duddy
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  silly old military man and he's a bit goofy in
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  that kind of thing yeah you're probably right
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  on the money and why we get that a lot the twilight
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  park is uh so basically if you don't if you don't
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  remember the film it's basically a part where
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  pongo and purdy have lost the puppies they've
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  been stolen and uh that's the doggies by the
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  way no dogs and and uh it has been the humans
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  have tried everything the dogs are like it's
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  up to us now so they go out and they do something
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  called the twilight bark which is they'll bark
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  the message out one dog will hear it they'll
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  pass it along and along and along and it's this
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  big chain for dogs the scene lasts and i wrote
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  this down seven minutes and 53 seconds and the
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  scene is basically one dog going and you see
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  another dog this and he goes i think i hear something
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  and then he'll then relay that and you see like
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  eight minutes of dog after dog after dog just
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  barking the worst though is when it gets to the
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  end of that and it's the old dog and he's like
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  yeah it's it's funny he's like the colonel and
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  then you've got the cat who's like a preppy yeah
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  who's like a preppy um little you know, he, he
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  wants to be really helpful to his Colonel and
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  all of that. Yeah. But this fucking dog just
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  can't hear for shit. And he keeps being like,
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  Oh, it's a poopies or whatever. He says, I can't
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  remember, but it was, Oh God. And then they go
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  back and forth between the last dog and them.
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  It just feels like, you saying that was seven
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  minutes, I'm surprised because I thought it was
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  like 20 minutes of that. It's the only thing
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  that really put me off the film. And I was just
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  like, oh my God, this is taking forever. It's
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  unbearable. Yeah, I agree. Other than that, though,
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  I think this is a fantastic film. And also, Disney
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  did not need to go so fucking hard with the intro.
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  Holy shit. It's one of the... Oh, my God. It's
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  one of the most beautiful. It reminded me of
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  Fantasia 2000, the New York one. And I was absolutely,
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  like, me and my partner were sat there watching
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  it. I think my mouth, as soon as those spots
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  started, like, going around and all of that,
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  my mouth dropped. I was like, this is unbelievable.
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  Yeah, it's so good. I loved it. Like, Disney
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  and the art director should not have been fighting.
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  They should have been making out in the corner.
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  Fucking beautiful. Oh, the music's so good as
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  well for it, isn't it? Speaking of the Fantasia
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  one, it is very... All of it just goes so well.
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  Yeah. This is George Bruns, I believe it's pronounced,
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  who's worked on a lot of Disney stuff around
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  this point, so he's also done Jungle Book and
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  Arrested Cats and stuff, and he's got this very
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  jazzy kind of style to the music he uses. So
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  good. What did you think about... uh 101 dalmatians
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  i loved it as well um i've had the same issue
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  with the twilight block as you um but it didn't
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  i don't know why it just uh i think i'm just
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  used to it now so it's like it rolls off my back
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  a little bit more uh but i kind of phase out
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  during that scene um yeah there's the i really
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  like the opening of the movie Where it's Pongo
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  the dog trying to be like a little matchmaker
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  for his owner. It's such an adorable scene. It's
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  so cute. Yeah. Him trying to figure out like
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  what a human would like in a partner. Yeah. He's
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  talking about Roger and he's like, that's me.
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  And that's my pet. It's so like, obviously it's
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  been done to death, like further along, like
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  many years down the line. Yeah, what a lovely
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  and very fun and clever kind of setup for the
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  film. Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice. I think Cruella
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  is an insanely well done villain. Like her animations,
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  she's so flamboyant. Like the design is amazing.
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  The cigar, not cigar, but the cigarette and the
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  little like kind of holder thing she's got with
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  that poisonous green trail constantly following
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  her is just fantastic. Is that how you look at
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  me when I vape? Yeah, that is you. I don't understand
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  why Anita would ever be friends with this woman.
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  She's absolutely vile. She is awful. I do really
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  like... Her performance is amazing. Betty Lou
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  Gerson. Absolutely sublime. Genuinely. Throughout
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  the entire movie, just... killer killer killer
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  um literally and figuratively um but yeah uh
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  i really like uh obviously there's the famous
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  corolla deville song but part of that as well
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  when she's in the house like roger's like really
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  aggressively and angrily playing like saxophone
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  and stamping his feet and stuff upstairs It's
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  so funny. It's so silly and petty. But it obviously
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  leads up to the part where he finally stands
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  up to it. He's like, you're not getting a single
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  pop. In fact, we're not telling any of them.
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  And he's very stern. It's a really well animated
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  bit where you can tell it's the first time he's
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  had a spine against her properly. It's a really
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  good bit. Class. It's so good. I really like
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  it. I was fully... I couldn't remember if...
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  Pongo and can you remind me of the other dog's
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  name? Perdita. What's the lady dog called? Perdita.
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  Yeah. I feel like you're right. Yeah. Purdy.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Pongo and Purdy. I thought Purdy.
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  Gave birth to 101 Dalmatians. I forgot that.
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  No. No, no, no. The others. Yeah. So when they
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  were counting up and they were like, it's 13.
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  I was like, this is going to take forever. This
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  has genuinely made me really want to read the
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  books, by the way. Oh, yeah. Watching this film.
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  I imagine they're good. So I think I'm going
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  to get them. Yeah. I love when the puppies are
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  watching TV. Like, they're so cute. And like
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  the one that keeps jumping up at it. is so adorable
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  uh the the one that keeps going mama i'm hungry
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  aptly called i yeah i i think i said to my partner
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  i was like that little dickhead needs to shut
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  up but i really am mama I really am, mama. I
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  thought he was lovely. It's just, I think the
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  first couple of times I was like, that is adorable.
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  And then he gets rescued. And then the first
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  thing he says to his mom is, mama, I'm hungry.
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  Shut up. Go back to Cruella. Like, get skinned,
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  idiot. Cruella's got like such a vicious plot
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  in this as well, speaking of which. The idea
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  that she's like steering all these puppies to
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  skin them and make a coat is like insane. i what
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  i i swear i like opened up a reddit thing and
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  it was like someone talking about cruella and
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  they were like cruella didn't actually do anything
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  that bad what are you talking about she tried
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  to skin some dogs are you kidding me like genuinely
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  what are you on about yes she's a monster uh
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  she's probably one of the most uh vicious disney
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  villains full i um i don't know how to describe
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  it because like if you don't really care about
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  animals you probably think i sound like an idiot
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  but like it is just a needlessly cruel plot to
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  have for her she is ruthless yeah Don't get me
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  wrong, I'm glad she's ruthless. Like, I think
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  it makes the film excellent. Especially, like,
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  her two cronies, which are hilarious. Totally
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  agree. Yeah, they are great. The one that's,
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  like, the skinnier one, he's just always, like,
• 24:08
  watching TV and just, like, drunkily shouting,
• 24:10
  like, Ah, shut up! And the dogs, whenever they,
• 24:13
  like, bark. It's so funny. There's definitely
• 24:17
  moments, like, when, um... Is it Patch that jumps
• 24:22
  up at the TV, or is it Lucky? I can't remember.
• 24:25
  But it really reminds me of The Simpsons. Get
• 24:32
  that cat out of the way! Well, that's based on
• 24:35
  this, isn't it? That was Mr. Burns trying to
• 24:38
  steal the bugs. Yeah, of course. Of course it
• 24:41
  is. I didn't even... Oh, my God. I'm an idiot.
• 24:44
  Of course it is. I also really love, like, just...
• 24:49
  That middle bit of the Twilight Park is a little
• 24:51
  down bit, but I love the rescue of the dogs and
• 24:53
  sneaking away and they have to make this pillage
• 24:55
  across the countryside in the snow. And it's
• 24:59
  so long and arduous and you can feel how tough
• 25:04
  it is for those dogs. And then they go into the
• 25:08
  shed and they get some milk from cows, which
• 25:12
  it's very strange that we... When I saw that,
• 25:18
  I was like, Ew, what? And then I was like, hang
• 25:21
  on a second. That's exactly what we do. You're
• 25:24
  like eating your cornflakes like, that's disgusting
• 25:26
  animal. This is, this is gross. But yeah, I thought
• 25:33
  that was really lovely that the cows did that
• 25:35
  for them and they all got. home okay there's
• 25:39
  some like really fun shots as well when they're
• 25:41
  escaping and like they'll be hiding in a building
• 25:45
  and you just hear carola's car like with the
• 25:47
  engine like and she like just drives so slowly
• 25:51
  past looking at the building that's like i love
• 25:54
  the animation and the sound on that it's just
• 25:56
  great and the way that she's like peering out
• 26:00
  the window and like looking left and right oh
• 26:02
  it's so well animated and the um the the the
• 26:07
  way that they disguise themselves to look like
• 26:09
  labradors is just ah that's so fun and uh what
• 26:13
  a unique idea like i think that's great is that
• 26:18
  the part where pongo tells all the puppies to
• 26:20
  do blackface anyway this was uh after ever after
• 26:25
  i'm cancelled No, I agree. I agree. And I think
• 26:33
  that because with the snow and that, obviously
• 26:35
  it's easy for it to get wiped off. I did not
• 26:41
  even think of it as blackface, but yeah, you
• 26:46
  were so right. It's fine because the Labrador
• 26:51
  says it's okay. they got a pass it's fine by
• 26:57
  the way that labrador is amazing and there's
• 26:59
  also um what's what's that kind of dog called
• 27:01
  like lassie dogs you know from the lassie tv
• 27:04
  oh the uh like a like a english shepherd or whatever
• 27:07
  they're called yeah there's a dog like that which
• 27:09
  comes to them at a really arduous point it's
• 27:11
  like pogo come with me i've got shelter and all
• 27:14
  this and like i just love like some of these
• 27:16
  little side character dogs that get like two
• 27:18
  minutes screen time speaking of side character
• 27:20
  dogs i love that we get to see all of the uh
• 27:23
  i'm sad that we didn't get to see lady in the
• 27:26
  tramp but we got to see jock and we got to see
• 27:30
  peggy as well yeah um Yeah, during the Twilight
• 27:36
  Bark, my least favourite part of the film, but
• 27:38
  that made up for it because they're adorable.
• 27:41
  Yeah, that was very cute. Nice little cameo there.
• 27:44
  Good film. I think this is a great film. Bang
• 27:47
  it. I think this might be my favourite Disney
• 27:48
  classic so far from what we've done. Soon to
• 27:52
  be usurped, but... Yeah, I think... I think I
• 27:56
  totally agree. I think it's absolutely wonderful
• 28:00
  and really, really lovely, apart from the Twilight
• 28:05
  Bark, which can go to hell. I do have a couple
• 28:09
  of little bits of trivia for this. One's not
• 28:11
  even that interesting, but I just kind of like
• 28:13
  it. It's just someone pissing off Disney, which
• 28:15
  I like. Amazing. One of them is just, we talked
• 28:20
  about Cruella being an absurdly evil character,
• 28:23
  but the author of the film... the author of the
• 28:25
  book even, sorry, Dodie Smith, said that the
• 28:27
  idea came where because she had a Dalmatian who
• 28:30
  had puppies, one of the dogs was actually called
• 28:33
  Pongo, and a friend came over and saw all the
• 28:35
  dogs and said those dogs would make a lovely
• 28:37
  fur coat, so she actually based it on someone
• 28:40
  in real life. No way! That's crazy! Can you imagine
• 28:45
  being that friend as well, seeing her, she's
• 28:47
  released this entire book about how much she
• 28:49
  hates you. Anyway, this horrible evil woman walked
• 28:56
  in with a dirty poison cigarette and started
• 29:00
  talking about how she wanted to eat all of my
• 29:03
  dogs and turn them into a coat. And the only
• 29:08
  other thing, again, the trivia itself is not
• 29:10
  fun, but I just kind of like how aggressive it
• 29:13
  gets. Someone called Bill Pete was working on
• 29:16
  it. He planned to have the puppies cheering more
• 29:18
  during the television scene. So he was writing
• 29:21
  the story and that. At a story meeting, Walt
• 29:24
  Disney commented that most children don't really
• 29:26
  show reactions when watching TV. They just kind
• 29:28
  of like watch it glazed eyes and stuff like that.
• 29:32
  Yeah. And he said, like, his grandson didn't
• 29:35
  even look away from the TV sometimes when he'd
• 29:36
  come to visit. So Bill Pete said, maybe he didn't
• 29:39
  know who you were, commenting about Disney being
• 29:42
  an absentee father. Oh my fucking God. And Disney
• 29:47
  apparently did not like that one. That's ruthless.
• 29:52
  Absolutely. Roasted. There is one other note
• 29:55
  that I'd like to just comment on, which is just
• 29:57
  how funny it is that Roger makes his money at
• 29:59
  the end of this movie based on... a diss track
• 30:02
  that he's made of a real woman cruella deville
• 30:05
  and like at the time it's at the time it's released
• 30:09
  she's like legally in the clear um she's not
• 30:13
  being proven guilty like they've investigated
• 30:15
  and it's like nope she's fine he's just released
• 30:18
  a diss track of her and it's become number one
• 30:20
  this is the the first instance of like a a drake
• 30:25
  and kendrick beef It's so absurd. I love it.
• 30:32
  Oh, what a great... Oh, good times. Good times.
• 30:36
  So yeah, I guess it's time to jump into the sequel.
• 30:41
  To the land of 2002, did we settle on it released?
• 30:47
  Depending on who you ask, it's either 2002 or
• 30:49
  2003. It looks like it was produced mostly in
• 30:52
  2002, but the wide release was 2003. It must
• 30:55
  have got a minor release somewhere in 2002. Oh,
• 30:58
  fucking Japan got it in 2002, December, and now
• 31:01
  that's solidified it as a 2002 movie. And now
• 31:03
  that's the release date. Yeah. That's mad. It
• 31:07
  says Japan got it digitally, which is absolutely
• 31:09
  not right. In 2002, they didn't get it on Netflix.
• 31:13
  Digital? Yeah, do you have stuff about the director
• 31:17
  and stuff? No, do you? Oh, I do. This film is
• 31:24
  directed by Jim Camerood and Brian Smith. Now,
• 31:31
  Brian Smith, there's not too much that I could
• 31:35
  see about him. Maybe if I did a little bit more
• 31:39
  digging, I could find. But Jim Camerood has done
• 31:44
  a couple of other Disney bits and bobs before.
• 31:49
  So he worked as a story artist on a goofy movie.
• 31:53
  He was a supervising animator on Space Jam. So
• 31:59
  obviously not Disney, but he does some... Animation
• 32:03
  stuff. He directed some sequences in Pocahontas
• 32:08
  2, Journey to a New World, which we will cover
• 32:12
  at some point. He was also director and character
• 32:17
  designer for Little Mermaid 2. Then he smashed
• 32:23
  out this bad boy as director. story writer and
• 32:29
  screenplay person um and then he did a couple
• 32:32
  of others so he did Tarzan 2 and Fox and the
• 32:35
  Hound 2 um after that and hasn't really done
• 32:38
  any more um Disney stuff since then so That shows
• 32:45
  you how they think of him. Oh, he also worked
• 32:50
  on Aristocrats 2, but that has been shelved.
• 32:55
  Probably in the, who was it? Was it Lasseter's?
• 32:59
  Lasseter's Guillotine. Yeah, Lasseter's Guillotine
• 33:03
  struck again. And yeah, Aristocrats 2 got put
• 33:08
  in the fucking... basket with all the other heads
• 33:11
  so this film stars uh bobby lockwood who plays
• 33:16
  uh patch it patch in this so he's the main character
• 33:20
  then we've got notably just with him he's a kid
• 33:24
  and you can tell the difference between this
• 33:28
  guy playing a kid when he's a kid and the last
• 33:30
  dog uh scamp being an adult just putting a higher
• 33:34
  pitched voice on i want to be wild and free There's
• 33:38
  a definite difference. Oh my god, yeah, you're
• 33:41
  so right. Yeah, this guy's a lot better than...
• 33:46
  Scamp. After that, you've got Barry Bostwick
• 33:50
  who plays the second main character in this,
• 33:54
  Thunderbolt. Yes. Which is weird because Pongo
• 33:58
  and... How have I forgotten her name already?
• 34:02
  Padita. Padita. Pongo and Padita are... I wouldn't
• 34:08
  even say secondary characters in this. They're
• 34:10
  like tertiary characters. They're barely in it.
• 34:13
  Again, it's one of those films like Scamp's Revenge.
• 34:18
  Yeah, it's like a home alone thing, so they're
• 34:20
  not around a lot. Exactly. Other people of note,
• 34:25
  we've got Jason Alexander of Seinfeld fame. martin
• 34:35
  short thunderbolt sort of like scrappy little
• 34:38
  sidekick yeah lightning little lightning that's
• 34:43
  his name uh um and we've got martin short who
• 34:49
  plays a very eccentric art um critic would you
• 34:55
  say or he's an artist yeah he's actually the
• 34:58
  yeah um Who else have we got? We've got Suzanne
• 35:04
  Blakesley. Yes. Who replaces... Betty Lucas.
• 35:12
  Sorry, I've forgotten. Yeah. As Cruella and does
• 35:17
  a phenomenal job. I will say that. Suzanne Blakesley,
• 35:21
  who we've already discussed, is doing a phenomenal
• 35:24
  job as Lady Tremaine in Cinderella 2 and 3. Oh,
• 35:27
  yes, of course. Yeah. She's just the perfect,
• 35:30
  like, evil voice actor kind of thing. She's incredible.
• 35:33
  It's great. She's so good. And then we have a
• 35:40
  gentleman called Tim Betnick. Bent. We have a
• 35:49
  gentleman called Tim Bentinick. I'm struggling
• 35:54
  to say this name. Bentinick. Bentinck. So we
• 36:02
  have another gentleman, another actor called
• 36:04
  Tim Bentinck. And his full name, Andrew, Andrew,
• 36:11
  his full name is... Oh, we're going to hear you
• 36:13
  say the name again? No, his full name. We're
• 36:17
  going for the full name. Okay. Timothy Charles
• 36:20
  Robert Noel Bentinck, 12th Earl of Portland,
• 36:25
  Count Bentinck. He is an Earl of Portland in
• 36:31
  Australia. What? Why is he... That's his full
• 36:34
  legal name. Who does he play? Isn't that... I
• 36:39
  can't remember because it doesn't say it. Roger.
• 36:44
  He is... Oh, he's Roger. Roger's barely in this.
• 36:48
  What's he doing? I know. So, why is this Earl
• 36:53
  of Port... The 12th Earl of Portland of Australia
• 36:56
  playing... this guy and why is he shit oh i didn't
• 37:01
  think he was terrible i just thought he was not
• 37:03
  he doesn't sound anything like him oh no you
• 37:07
  know what i i agree that if you watch these back
• 37:09
  to back a lot of the voice actors um don't sound
• 37:13
  exactly like pongo doesn't sound like the old
• 37:15
  one roger doesn't sound like yeah i don't think
• 37:17
  it's necessarily a bad performance in my opinion
• 37:19
  but the only one that it just it feel seamless
• 37:23
  incredibly jarring the only one that feels seamless
• 37:26
  is uh suzanne blakesley yes yeah it's like sublime
• 37:32
  yeah you could trick me into thinking that's
• 37:34
  just the same lady agreed totally agree um so
• 37:39
  other than that we don't have a box office um
• 37:42
  but and he did boy yeah uh not even an estimate
• 37:48
  though normally there's like an estimate of how
• 37:50
  much this would have cost and yeah exactly so
• 37:55
  we can assume that this made nothing or 101 billion
• 38:00
  dollars oh very nice and this released against
• 38:08
  you were saying it released against Ang Lee's
• 38:10
  Hulk didn't you no I was joking well we'll cut
• 38:17
  that part out then You bastard. It came out in
• 38:24
  January 2003, so the same month as films such
• 38:28
  as Kangaroo Jack. Oh, hell yeah. Darkness Falls
• 38:33
  by the director Jonathan Leibsmann, whose name
• 38:36
  I recognise for some reason. Oh, he made Ninja
• 38:38
  Turtles. We'll cut that. I don't want to be associated
• 38:41
  with knowing the director of Ninja Turtles. Final
• 38:46
  Destination 2 was also in this month. And then
• 38:51
  the month after we had Daredevil Jungle Book
• 38:53
  2. Daredevil, that's mad. Daredevil came out
• 38:56
  on February the 14th. They were really hoping
• 38:58
  that was going to be a romantic box opposite.
• 39:04
  Everyone's going to want to watch this blind
• 39:06
  man and this woman with knives. That gets killed
• 39:10
  immediately. Go at it. Oh, cool. Oh, that's weird.
• 39:19
  I'm going to cut this bit. 101 Dimensions came
• 39:22
  out on the 21st of January. So that also came
• 39:23
  out like two days before my birthday. Ah, interesting.
• 39:27
  I'll cut that bit so I don't dox myself. Also,
• 39:31
  I'm so sorry. That part's going to have to be
• 39:33
  cut to shit because I just rambled for so long
• 39:37
  because I barely prepped anything about this.
• 39:39
  That's fine. I'm so sorry. Oh, there's a movie
• 39:41
  that came out in that month with Matt Letcher
• 39:43
  directed by Jeff Daniels. It's called Super Sucker.
• 39:46
  It looks awful. Excuse me? Jeff Daniels and Harvey
• 39:53
  Presnell are heads of two different door -to
• 39:55
  -door vacuum cleaner distributors with salesmen
• 39:58
  competing for the same territory. Their rivalry
• 40:01
  becomes so fierce that the president of the manufacturer
• 40:04
  of the company, Mr. Suckerton! decides that for
• 40:08
  the good of the company, the town can only have
• 40:10
  one group of sales representatives. Desperate
• 40:14
  and always the underdog, Barlow suggests a winner
• 40:17
  -takes -all sales contest to determine the territory.
• 40:19
  Well behind, snail -belt from the start. Barlow's
• 40:24
  sales search... What the fuck are you on about?
• 40:26
  When he learns of his wife's... What's happening?
• 40:28
  Excuse me. Barlow still search when he learns
• 40:31
  of his wife's non -traditional use of the circular
• 40:34
  nap nipper, a homemaker's little helper, a long
• 40:37
  -forgotten vacuum attachment. Let's talk about
• 40:40
  102 Dalmatians. 101? 101 Dalmatians 2. 101? Supersucker.
• 40:50
  Shut up. All right, Andy, what did you think
• 40:56
  of this? 101 Dalmatians 2. Yeah. Run us through
• 41:04
  it? Yeah, tell you what, I'll give you a little
• 41:07
  plot synopsis. So the plot basically comes right
• 41:11
  after the first one. The first one ends with
• 41:14
  Roger... and uh anita want to keep all the dogs
• 41:18
  that have come the rescue dogs the the 101 dalmatians
• 41:21
  if you will uh and based on his money that he's
• 41:24
  made from the diss track he's like we'll build
• 41:26
  a dalmatian plantation and this movie picks up
• 41:29
  on Exactly that, they are building the Dalmatian
• 41:32
  plantation. The dogs are getting ready to move,
• 41:35
  as are the humans, the nanny's there, everyone's
• 41:37
  back. One of the dogs, Little Patch, one of the
• 41:41
  original Dalmatian pups, is starting to feel
• 41:44
  a bit lost with how many siblings he now has.
• 41:47
  He's starting to feel like one of a pack rather
• 41:48
  than one of a kind. And something I like about
• 41:52
  this movie, compared to Lady and the Tramp 2,
• 41:55
  that dog felt a bit whiny and he left a perfectly
• 41:57
  good home. And it was really frustrating throughout
• 42:02
  the entire movie, whereas here they have a home
• 42:04
  alone sort of scenario where one thing leads
• 42:07
  to another and Patch is accidentally left home
• 42:09
  and he feels like, they don't even miss me, so
• 42:12
  whatever. And it does take them a while to figure
• 42:15
  that out because there are, you know... 101 of
• 42:19
  them um so patch goes on a little adventure where
• 42:23
  he goes around london he meets the star of the
• 42:24
  tv show that all the dogs used to watch in the
• 42:27
  first one called thunderbolt and they get up
• 42:31
  to little hijinks because thunderbolt wants to
• 42:33
  prove that he is a real hero after he hears a
• 42:37
  rumor that he's going to be cut from the tv show
• 42:39
  meanwhile cruella deville is on probation and
• 42:45
  she is learning to adjust her little mental breakdown
• 42:48
  about dalmatians uh in various ways including
• 42:52
  meeting an artist who likes to draw spots hell
• 42:54
  yeah i like this more than i thought i would
• 42:57
  i fucking hated this did you oh man i thought
• 43:02
  this was awful oh wow i didn't don't get me wrong
• 43:09
  i didn't love it but i liked it a lot more than
• 43:12
  i expected Oh God, this was genuinely, for me,
• 43:18
  painful to watch. I really did not like this
• 43:25
  at all. Nothing worked for me. I thought it was
• 43:29
  shocking. We nearly turned it off. What would
• 43:36
  we have done? Can you just cancel the podcast?
• 43:38
  Yeah, it was that close. No. Like, it was to
• 43:43
  the point that I was going to say to my partner,
• 43:46
  like, you don't have to watch this. I'll watch
• 43:50
  the rest of it. This is my burden to bear. Because
• 43:52
  we watched 101, and then we watched this, and
• 43:57
  fuck me. I really did not enjoy it at all. Oh
• 44:03
  my gosh. I stopped writing notes. Genuinely,
• 44:06
  I got really frustrated with it. There's parts,
• 44:11
  there's parts that I liked, but I, yeah, I think
• 44:16
  I really fucking hated it. Man, I'm a... It's
• 44:24
  crazy. I'm a little bit shocked. Are you? I didn't
• 44:28
  expect you to love it, but I didn't expect you
• 44:30
  to hate it. I just thought it was just like,
• 44:32
  this is enough on film. It's just like, I think
• 44:35
  it's charming enough. I like, I was actually,
• 44:38
  it started on a really good foot for me because
• 44:40
  it has the animated opening credits and it felt
• 44:42
  like they were really trying to do something
• 44:44
  creative. And it also has the, and I was absolutely
• 44:49
  fucking shocked at this. I literally shouted,
• 44:51
  wow, when it started. They try. their best to
• 44:55
  keep the little hand -drawn scratchy look to
• 44:58
  the animation. And I did not expect that at all.
• 45:00
  And I think they got a lot of good ball acting
• 45:02
  on that alone. I do really like that they kept
• 45:04
  the scratchiness. I completely disagree on the
• 45:09
  intro, though. I thought the intro was an absolute
• 45:12
  pale imitation of them trying to do something
• 45:16
  as interesting and as unique as the original.
• 45:20
  Like, genuinely, I thought it was really... Like,
• 45:24
  just them trying to get something that was relatively
• 45:27
  similar and it failed, like, to me. This is crazy.
• 45:33
  This is... I now know how you felt about Santa
• 45:37
  Claus 2. Yeah. Oh, man. Like I said, I didn't
• 45:42
  love it, but I liked it a lot. Yeah. I wouldn't
• 45:46
  go back and watch it, but if I had a kid and
• 45:48
  the kid was like... dalmatians 2 i'd be like
• 45:51
  yeah we'll watch 101 dalmatians 2 whatever you
• 45:53
  want whereas if they wanted to watch like cinderella
• 45:56
  2 i'd gaslight them and i figured it didn't exist
• 45:58
  i i i think there's a few things where i felt
• 46:01
  worried it was gonna be more lady in the tram
• 46:04
  2 like i thought thunderbolt at first was a really
• 46:07
  irritating character but i think he had a good
• 46:09
  character arc to him which feels insane to say
• 46:12
  for this film but i i did enjoy that he realized
• 46:16
  fame wasn't everything and he actually became
• 46:17
  like an actual hero just by trying to help uh
• 46:20
  that scamp patch uh yeah i could tell there was
• 46:24
  like the like the but i've changed moment kind
• 46:28
  of thing you know when someone's like i trusted
• 46:31
  you and then they're like oh but i did change
• 46:34
  actually he didn't fucking change he just stayed
• 46:38
  exactly the same he's a liar oh no he's a scumbag
• 46:42
  that's not nice I think he changed a bit. No,
• 46:47
  but then he changes after that. After he gets
• 46:50
  proven wrong, that's when he changes. He even
• 46:53
  admits that in the cage when they're... So this
• 46:57
  is later in the film, they've been captured by
• 46:59
  Cruella again. Which, by the way, this film just
• 47:03
  repeats the same thing again. It just does 101
• 47:06
  Dalmatians, but worse again. Yeah, they all do
• 47:09
  this, to be fair, which is irritating. And this
• 47:11
  is... So I'm wondering, like, when do these try?
• 47:19
  When do these actually start putting the effort
• 47:23
  in? And this is the fascinating thing it's going
• 47:27
  to be because we're doing this and we're going
• 47:29
  through all of them. We're going to see different
• 47:33
  levels of effort with each of them because...
• 47:37
  we're not necessarily going through when the
• 47:40
  well we're not going through when the sequels
• 47:42
  were released yeah we're going through when the
• 47:44
  originals were released so we're seeing loads
• 47:46
  of different times of disney sequels yeah i'm
• 47:51
  really curious when that cut is gonna be where
• 47:54
  they actually put some fucking effort in because
• 47:56
  this felt so lazy and so recycled from the first
• 48:03
  one um that it's kind of a little bit pathetic
• 48:07
  for me oh man i thought it was cute and i thought
• 48:11
  it was charming and uh it was a silly plot but
• 48:15
  i really liked it uh cinderella cruella is um
• 48:19
  trying to push her little like fur addiction
• 48:22
  in a different way she finds like an artist who
• 48:24
  likes to draw spots uh i did write down that
• 48:27
  yeah cruella would have loved um Across the Spider
• 48:29
  -Verse. Oh God, she would have loved it. I reckon
• 48:36
  she would have found a way. She's such like a
• 48:40
  good manipulator and such an evil person that
• 48:43
  she would have found a way to transfer spots
• 48:46
  like powers to her. like she would have gone
• 48:51
  back in time and been hit with in the head with
• 48:54
  the bagel or something like that um to be able
• 48:57
  to get them um i agree with you i think that
• 49:01
  the cruella and martin short parts are the best
• 49:08
  yeah martin short i really enjoyed them it's
• 49:11
  really fun as this big eccentric like artist
• 49:14
  who feels like cruella finally gets her art but
• 49:17
  like uh his art even but in reality she just
• 49:20
  yeah is feeding a little obsession uh she doesn't
• 49:23
  actually care about the art so much she quickly
• 49:25
  like realizes like this isn't this isn't gonna
• 49:28
  work uh she doesn't want to make a coat anymore
• 49:30
  she wants to What is it? She wants to use the
• 49:33
  puppy's skin as a canvas or something. It was
• 49:35
  a very disturbing sentence she said. To be fair,
• 49:39
  crazy. And a pretty big step up from making a
• 49:44
  coat is just being able to use, like, puppy skin
• 49:48
  as her canvas to draw more spots on, I guess.
• 49:52
  There's a bit when, like, she's starting, like...
• 49:54
  go back into like evil and she kidnaps a puppy
• 49:57
  and she brings it to the artist and he's like
• 49:59
  oh it's adorable i love this puppy and like cruella
• 50:02
  and jasper and horace are like absolutely appalled
• 50:05
  and shocked that like someone would like a puppy
• 50:07
  it's like a very funny reaction but they're like
• 50:08
  what's up this guy get a load of this guy liking
• 50:13
  dogs yeah like i say i think the the cruella
• 50:21
  and lars stuff and and her lackeys as well i
• 50:24
  think those are the best parts and yeah that
• 50:27
  that's really funny as well with um i think it's
• 50:31
  jasper the skinnier one where they do like that
• 50:34
  kind of cliche thing the cartoons always do it's
• 50:37
  like i'll dress like a woman and lure this guy
• 50:40
  so i can get his car um but like he just kind
• 50:43
  of like gives in and he's just like no give me
• 50:46
  your card it's like very terrifying like this
• 50:49
  man in drag just yeah there there are some like
• 50:55
  i say there are some funny moments that i i really
• 50:58
  i did enjoy that where he's just fucking gives
• 51:00
  up and he's just like give me the fucking car
• 51:03
  The thing that really annoyed me and the thing
• 51:06
  that made me... So there was something before,
• 51:08
  I can't remember what it was, where I was like,
• 51:10
  oh no, it's Scamp's Revenge. It was the part
• 51:15
  where Pongo is sleep talking and Patch goes over
• 51:21
  to him and it's like, are I just one of many?
• 51:26
  Am I not unique at all? And Pongo, fully asleep.
• 51:30
  The kid knows he's fully asleep. sleep talks
• 51:33
  and says 101 or whatever he says or like one
• 51:39
  of many or whatever Pongo counts the puppies
• 51:41
  so much that he counts them in his sleep just
• 51:45
  to make sure they're all there so you can hear
• 51:46
  him going before Patch comes over you can hear
• 51:49
  him going 99 or 100 and Patch gets there and
• 51:52
  he's like am I one of a kind or one of 101 and
• 51:56
  Pongo's like 101 pretty ruthless and it's that
• 52:01
  It's that shitty mishearing or misunderstanding
• 52:06
  trope again, where it's just like, oh, if you
• 52:13
  woke your dad up and asked him, instead of just
• 52:16
  sitting there while he's obviously sleep counting,
• 52:20
  you would know, and this whole situation would
• 52:24
  not have happened. You fucking idiot. It's a
• 52:28
  bit... What's the word? A bit contrived, but
• 52:32
  I mean, I didn't mind it that much. At least
• 52:36
  there's a reason for him to want to leave, a
• 52:38
  reason for him to feel an outcast as opposed
• 52:41
  to Scamp who had everything, had it to him on
• 52:44
  a silver platter, but it is a bit contrived.
• 52:48
  Yes, yeah, true. It's Home Alone. It's Home Alone,
• 52:53
  but then turns into a kind of buddy movie and
• 53:00
  then it just turns into 101 Dalmatians again
• 53:03
  and it's just it's boring man I was bored this
• 53:09
  this film's what is it it's 74 minutes this felt
• 53:14
  like I was watching it for four hours genuinely
• 53:18
  oh my god it just didn't end Andy, I was miserable.
• 53:26
  This was horrible. Did you like Jason Alexander?
• 53:29
  Yeah, he was alright. I liked that he was like
• 53:32
  a fucking little master manipulator. I really
• 53:36
  enjoyed that. I genuinely didn't really see that
• 53:40
  coming. And then when he was like, now I will
• 53:45
  be the face of Thunderbolt or whatever. I was
• 53:48
  like, oh, nice. And then they realistically...
• 53:54
  don't do much with that until later it's a weird
• 53:57
  kind of uh like he kind of gets forgotten in
• 54:00
  the mix for a bit like he basically tricks thunderbolt
• 54:03
  into going away which is the inciting incident
• 54:04
  for thunderbolt um but then yeah he leaves the
• 54:09
  mix and then he comes back and he's like it was
• 54:11
  me thunderbolt and all this stuff and like reverse
• 54:16
  flash it was me barry I liked his performance.
• 54:21
  I was as good as this little weasley dog. Yeah,
• 54:24
  like a proper little rat dog. Yeah. I mean, he's
• 54:28
  perfect for it. He's great. We know him. We love
• 54:31
  him. But yeah, I just... He was alright. Yeah,
• 54:38
  they did the Twilight Bark again. Yeah, much
• 54:40
  briefer, but they did indeed. they did the twilight
• 54:45
  park again can you tell why i don't like this
• 54:47
  fucking film but the twilight park was shorter
• 54:50
  this time i did feel bad for patch a little bit
• 54:53
  in this one as well um because it did feel a
• 54:55
  bit like i could understand why he's unhappy
• 54:58
  and uh i can understand as well like it's kind
• 55:01
  of evident that like he is getting lost in the
• 55:04
  mix because they don't realize he's gone until
• 55:06
  they see a cut out of him in the newspaper with
• 55:09
  thunderbolt at an event that's true I like that
• 55:13
  Cruella still has a cigarette in this. I thought
• 55:16
  that would have been banned at this point, but
• 55:17
  I'm glad it wasn't because it really completes
• 55:19
  her look. It really does. I think she would look
• 55:23
  so weird without it. You know what I mean? It
• 55:28
  would be like, there's something missing kind
• 55:30
  of thing. I do like there is a moment where she
• 55:35
  hears the Cruella de Vil song. in the car or
• 55:41
  the remnants of her car after she crashed it
• 55:44
  and she does the Homer Simpson kick the radio
• 55:48
  so the whole premise is Patch idolises Thunderbolt
• 55:57
  and they go on little stupid little adventures
• 56:02
  trying to Like, Thunderbolt's an American dog.
• 56:05
  By the way, the voice actor for Thunderbolt,
• 56:07
  great. I think Barry Bostwick smashed it. He
• 56:10
  reminded me of Nathan Fillion quite a lot. Oh,
• 56:14
  yeah, I can see that. Or Gary Cole. But I thought
• 56:18
  he was excellent. I really liked him. But, yeah,
• 56:25
  so they're... going along and trying to do heroic
• 56:28
  things and he's an american and he thinks that
• 56:31
  the paparazzi is going to be following him the
• 56:33
  entire time but he slowly well no he never realizes
• 56:38
  that the british press aren't like that in this
• 56:43
  in this universe they don't care about a dog
• 56:46
  doing heroic deeds yeah um So him and Patch just
• 56:51
  go and do these random little things. And Patch
• 56:55
  is like, oh, I know what you could do. You could
• 56:59
  do this from fucking episode 84 where you snuck
• 57:03
  in and you did this. And like he comes up, he
• 57:07
  pulls an idea out of his ass, which is the only
• 57:10
  way and the only reason that Thunderbolt actually
• 57:13
  hangs out with him. Yeah. Because he knows the
• 57:17
  show and he's essentially directing Thunderbolt
• 57:21
  to do these things. The idea is fine. I just
• 57:26
  wish, and I think it would have been a nice idea
• 57:29
  if... When he says these things, we could get
• 57:34
  a glimpse of what that actually looked like on
• 57:37
  the show and then compare that to how Thunderbolt
• 57:40
  actually does it kind of thing. So it could be
• 57:42
  a little flashback as Patch is describing it.
• 57:45
  Oh, where you did this. I don't know. I think
• 57:47
  it would have added something to it, but maybe
• 57:50
  it would have just been another step of doing
• 57:54
  this. But I just thought that whole, all of that
• 57:58
  part was so boring, man. I just did not like
• 58:02
  it at all. Yeah, I can see what you mean, to
• 58:07
  be fair. Like I said, I do like it more than
• 58:11
  you, and I liked it more than I expected, but
• 58:13
  while it was on, I was like, cool, this is a
• 58:18
  little bit of fun. It's charming enough. I really
• 58:21
  like the Corolla stuff, thanks mostly to Cezanne
• 58:25
  Blakeslee's performance. But again, if it...
• 58:30
  If we weren't doing this podcast and I was watching
• 58:32
  it and had a power cut and the film went off
• 58:35
  halfway through, I wouldn't be like, I need to
• 58:37
  find out what happens. I'm going to put that
• 58:38
  back on. I would just be like, well, that's gone.
• 58:41
  But the Cruella stuff is the most compelling
• 58:44
  stuff and the Thunderbolt stuff is fine to charming.
• 58:48
  I know the ending jumps the shark a little bit
• 58:50
  where, well, it feels like it jumps the shark,
• 58:53
  but who fucking cares? It's like a Disney movie.
• 58:57
  But, like, the dogs are driving, like, a car
• 58:58
  or something. It was like, okay, this isn't that
• 59:00
  much. Oh my fucking god, yeah, it's so stupid.
• 59:03
  They're driving a bus. And, like, doing it competently
• 59:08
  as well. Yeah, they don't crash it. And then
• 59:09
  there's one of them that's just, like, oh my
• 59:11
  god. Yeah, and then Patch just turns into a fucking
• 59:16
  superhero dog and manages to fucking fix everything
• 59:21
  and do everything really well and it's just like,
• 59:24
  okay, yay. What's the equivalent of a Mary Sue
• 59:28
  for a dog? A Mary Lassie. I can't think of a
• 59:33
  joke. Mary Lassie, that'll do. It deserves a
• 59:40
  shit one. It's a shit film. It's alright. It
• 59:44
  sucks ass. I do think the animation and Suzanne
• 59:49
  Blakeslee does a lot of heavy lifting for me
• 59:51
  on this one. And plus the fact I didn't think
• 59:53
  anything in it was egregiously bad. It was just
• 59:56
  kind of like mid to good for me. Yeah. But it
• 1:00:02
  is what it is. I hated this. Should we move on
• 1:00:09
  for your sanity then? Oh, God. Well, I mean,
• 1:00:13
  I feel like we've barely talked about it, but...
• 1:00:16
  We've talked about it for about half an hour.
• 1:00:17
  I don't know. Have you got anything else that
• 1:00:19
  you want to say? Not really. I think we've pretty
• 1:00:22
  much covered it. I think... What happens at the
• 1:00:26
  end? Cruella gets caught again and goes to a
• 1:00:29
  nut house. Yeah, Cruella's chasing them in the
• 1:00:32
  bus. The dogs get cornered in an alley and then
• 1:00:36
  something happens and then... Oh, Patch does
• 1:00:41
  the thing as an actual nice part where instead
• 1:00:48
  of Patch telling Thunderbolt to do something,
• 1:00:51
  Patch actually does... one of the things that
• 1:00:54
  we've actually seen before and uh it was quite
• 1:00:56
  nice uh he jumps over and manages to wrap up
• 1:01:00
  cruella and then she gets caught by the police
• 1:01:02
  after that yeah yeah she she goes to a mental
• 1:01:05
  institution um because she's now fully lost her
• 1:01:08
  mind um i did kind of like the idea that she
• 1:01:11
  didn't go to prison after the last one because
• 1:01:12
  she has money but Jasper and Horace did. They
• 1:01:18
  get arrested again. And two dogs, I think, if
• 1:01:22
  I remember rightly, two random dogs arrest Little
• 1:01:25
  Lightning. I don't know if they were police dogs
• 1:01:27
  or if they were just random dogs. This is a citizen's
• 1:01:30
  arrest! But I remember it ends very suddenly
• 1:01:40
  after that. It kind of hard cuts into credits
• 1:01:42
  and there's like, he did it, he's home. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  the paparazzi come along and they're like, oh
• 1:01:49
  my god. Oh yeah, finally gets affected. Hero
• 1:01:52
  dog. Yeah, and then Pongo and Padita come along
• 1:01:56
  and then it's the end. Sucks. I think from what
• 1:02:02
  I've seen... which we'll get to in a bit. I think
• 1:02:06
  I'm in the minority, to be honest. I don't think
• 1:02:10
  a lot of people don't like this film. Yeah, I
• 1:02:13
  don't think a lot of people don't like this film.
• 1:02:16
  I think... I saw someone say that this was the
• 1:02:20
  best of the Disney sequels. Yeah, well, I know
• 1:02:23
  that reviews at the time said that as well, but
• 1:02:28
  also that was 2003, so how many were there really?
• 1:02:31
  Exactly, yeah. Again, I can't imagine people
• 1:02:34
  loving it like a Cinderella 3 or a Fantasia 2000,
• 1:02:39
  but I can imagine it being offensiveness. No,
• 1:02:43
  I can imagine it not being offensive enough to
• 1:02:45
  anyone's sensibilities where they behave like
• 1:02:48
  you do, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, I guess. So,
• 1:02:54
  that is bloody 101 Dalmatians Patches revenge.
• 1:03:03
  So, let's have a look at... Some trivia for this
• 1:03:08
  one. Actually, let's not because I have none.
• 1:03:10
  I only have one bit, which is Jock from Lady
• 1:03:14
  and the Tramp appears again in this one, apparently.
• 1:03:18
  Again. He's auditioning for the Thunderbird show.
• 1:03:21
  I can't remember why he appears again, but he's
• 1:03:24
  auditioning. Does he bark up a drainpipe? No,
• 1:03:28
  he's not. Or was that in the first one? I've
• 1:03:29
  told you three times he's auditioning. I didn't
• 1:03:32
  hear you the first time and then I heard you
• 1:03:33
  the second time and it was too late. Andy, how
• 1:03:41
  did this continue? Did anything else happen?
• 1:03:44
  Ah, yes. Anyway, let's put it into the ranking.
• 1:03:52
  This did continue in other ways. So, 101 Dalmatians
• 1:03:56
  had the sequel, but also is the... Not the earliest,
• 1:04:02
  but I think it's one of the very earliest examples
• 1:04:05
  of a live -action remake. I think Jungle Book
• 1:04:07
  has a beat just... I'll double -check that, because
• 1:04:11
  there was a Jungle Book in the 90s as well. Oh,
• 1:04:14
  yeah. Sorry, Jungle Book was 1994, so this isn't
• 1:04:17
  the earliest example of one, but 101 Dalmatians
• 1:04:21
  got a live -action film in 1997. 1996, even,
• 1:04:26
  sorry, which starred Glenn Close, famously, as
• 1:04:29
  Cruella. Hell yeah. That actually got a sequel
• 1:04:33
  before this. So that got a sequel in 2000, which
• 1:04:36
  is just called 102 Dalmatians, which is a title
• 1:04:40
  this doesn't say. Every time I go to say the
• 1:04:44
  name of this film, I always want to say 102 Dalmatians.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah. Because I think that's such a... That's
• 1:04:53
  such a good title, man. It's a better sequel
• 1:04:56
  title, but at the same time, I guess it would
• 1:04:57
  be inaccurate for this one because there aren't
• 1:04:59
  any extra Dalmatians. But you could have chucked
• 1:05:01
  one in. Little Lightning could have been a Dalmatian.
• 1:05:03
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then following that,
• 1:05:07
  we also had the Cruella movie, as we talked about
• 1:05:11
  earlier with Maleficent. Cruella also got the
• 1:05:13
  same deal in 2021 with Emma Stone playing Cruella
• 1:05:18
  de Vil this time. And the movie is... fairly
• 1:05:23
  well received i watched it i didn't pretty good
• 1:05:26
  yeah i didn't care for it much at the time but
• 1:05:29
  i think it's worth a watch still for the costumes
• 1:05:32
  because corolla's like a fashion designer in
• 1:05:34
  this uh the performance of emma stone as corolla
• 1:05:39
  um yes There's also a few other good actors in
• 1:05:44
  it, like Emma Thompson is the villain. Paul Walter
• 1:05:47
  Hauser, who you probably recognize from things
• 1:05:50
  like Naked Gun and he's Mole Man in Fantastic
• 1:05:51
  Four, is Horace. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:58
  It's directed by Craig Gillespie, who's done
• 1:06:02
  I, Tonya before, and he's doing the new Supergirl
• 1:06:05
  movie. Oh, yeah. Legend. Weirdly, positive movie
• 1:06:11
  for people uh again i didn't really care for
• 1:06:13
  it much of the time um and i think trying to
• 1:06:16
  redeem this character's strange like i think
• 1:06:19
  i think in cruella there were a few times where
• 1:06:22
  she's like what if i just skin dogs just kidding
• 1:06:25
  and stuff like that and it's like okay come on
• 1:06:29
  that's what you're gonna do in the future it's
• 1:06:31
  obviously in your brain there i know i think
• 1:06:33
  origins like dalmatians kill the parents or something
• 1:06:36
  like that and it's like We didn't need that.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, isn't it something where they, like, two
• 1:06:41
  Dalmatians push someone off a cliff? Or is that
• 1:06:43
  in Cruella that happens? Yeah, Cruella, yeah.
• 1:06:46
  It's like the Reichsbach fall from Sherlock Holmes.
• 1:06:50
  So weird. Fucking hell. 101 Dalmatians also had
• 1:06:55
  two series. So it had one that came out just
• 1:06:58
  after the live -action movie, the first one.
• 1:07:02
  Which is, you know, it's mostly based on the
• 1:07:04
  animation, but I imagine it's like... Trying
• 1:07:06
  to get the people who saw the new one in as well.
• 1:07:09
  And then when Disney Plus came out, there was
• 1:07:13
  one called 101 Dalmatian Street, which is whatever.
• 1:07:19
  It's descendants of Pongo and Padita taking care
• 1:07:22
  of 101 Dalmatians or whatever. I haven't watched
• 1:07:25
  it. Hell yeah. Would you like just a bit of trivia
• 1:07:31
  for you that I have? Yeah. Would you like to
• 1:07:35
  hear all of the crimes of Cruella de Vil? Yes,
• 1:07:39
  please. So, I just went on the villains thing
• 1:07:44
  because I must have had it up when I was looking
• 1:07:46
  up Cruella and stuff. But it has a list of her
• 1:07:50
  crimes. So, you know how it's also got the goals.
• 1:07:55
  So, you know, Bambi's mum says failed next to
• 1:08:00
  it. Cruella's is obtained the fur of 99 Dalmatian
• 1:08:05
  puppies to use for a fur coat. In brackets, failed.
• 1:08:10
  So, her crimes are abuse, animal cruelty, assault
• 1:08:16
  and battery, attempted mass canicide, attempted
• 1:08:21
  mass mutilation, attempted mass murder, bribe...
• 1:08:31
  Bribery, blackmail, child abuse. What? Ghoul?
• 1:08:37
  When does that happen? I have no idea. Oh, I
• 1:08:41
  wonder if that's in the... Are they referring
• 1:08:43
  to it being puppies, maybe? Maybe. Or maybe it's
• 1:08:47
  in the new show or whatever. She just randomly
• 1:08:50
  abuses children. Yeah, I guess so. Conspiracy.
• 1:08:55
  Apparently that's a crime? Like, conspiracy to
• 1:08:58
  commit a crime, but I don't think you can just
• 1:08:59
  call conspiracy itself a crime. Well, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:09:02
  exactly. Coercion, fraud, incrimination, kidnapping,
• 1:09:08
  negligence, psychological abuse, poaching, reckless
• 1:09:15
  endangerment, reckless driving, sabotage, smuggling,
• 1:09:19
  stalking, solicitation! Jesus Christ. Vandalism,
• 1:09:25
  terrorism, torture, and theft. Terrorism? Terrorism.
• 1:09:32
  Okay. I think a lot of these aren't real. But
• 1:09:37
  also, that's really funny. It seems like they're
• 1:09:40
  not real. She is in 101 Dalmatians. I did just
• 1:09:43
  take a look for you. 101 Dalmatians Street. You
• 1:09:45
  mean 101 Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's
• 1:09:49
  played by Michelle Gomez in 101 Dalmatian Street,
• 1:09:52
  who's the mistress from Doctor Who. Oh, yeah,
• 1:09:55
  she's great. She's in Green Wing as well. And
• 1:09:59
  she's absolutely phenomenal in that. She's one
• 1:10:02
  of the funniest actresses ever. I think she's
• 1:10:06
  absolutely sublime. So, yeah, I think that's
• 1:10:09
  a great, great addition to the 101 Dalmatians
• 1:10:15
  Cruella cast. Seems like they only get bangers
• 1:10:19
  to play Cruella. Yeah, seems like it. And then
• 1:10:23
  there's a host of video games that came out as
• 1:10:25
  well, which is like activity -centered games,
• 1:10:28
  and there was 101 Dalmatians Escape from DeVille
• 1:10:31
  Manor, 102 Dalmatians Puppies to the Rescue,
• 1:10:34
  both of which use the original animation style,
• 1:10:37
  but it's based on the live -action more. There's
• 1:10:40
  Kingdom Hearts stuff. There was a Patches London
• 1:10:43
  Adventure video game. Yeah, the only one that
• 1:10:45
  I saw was the Patches London Adventure, which
• 1:10:49
  is literally... I think it said there were 29
• 1:10:52
  levels in it, and you just have to go around
• 1:10:55
  and collect... bones and stuff it's like a 3d
• 1:10:59
  kind of platformer thing okay one of them puppies
• 1:11:03
  101 two dalmatians puppies to the rescue was
• 1:11:05
  developed by toys for bob which is now the studio
• 1:11:08
  that uh is taken on the spiro franchise so that
• 1:11:12
  might be all right but it's also like two decades
• 1:11:15
  before they did spiro I was going to say, it's
• 1:11:18
  been a while since then. Patches, London Adventure,
• 1:11:24
  the PS1 game was done by Eidos Interactive, which
• 1:11:28
  is Tomb Raider people. Yeah, they used to be
• 1:11:32
  absolutely huge. And Digital Eclipse Software
• 1:11:36
  Inc., which I've never heard of in my life. Me
• 1:11:40
  never. This isn't a way that the original continued,
• 1:11:42
  but I think it is worth noting that... Disney
• 1:11:45
  have done two sequels to 101 Dalmatians now,
• 1:11:48
  and neither of them follow the plot of the book,
• 1:11:51
  which is the sequel to 101 Dalmatians called
• 1:11:54
  The Starlight Bomb. Yes! And in this book, the
• 1:11:58
  dogs wake up one day to find out that, other
• 1:12:01
  than dogs, no other living being can be awoken,
• 1:12:04
  so the dogs have to start to run the world. It's
• 1:12:08
  crazy. I love it. They communicate through thought
• 1:12:13
  waves. One of the dogs is now prime minister.
• 1:12:18
  And isn't there a thing where Pongo has to sacrifice
• 1:12:22
  himself so humans can come back or something?
• 1:12:26
  Oh, I don't know about that. I just had a look
• 1:12:29
  and then it came up saying the end of the story
• 1:12:32
  is... Pongo saying, one day perhaps dogs will
• 1:12:36
  be ready to leave Earth with him, but for now
• 1:12:39
  they're content to be owned by loving humans.
• 1:12:41
  That's it. There's something about that. So I
• 1:12:45
  guess he goes to space in the end. So, towards
• 1:12:49
  the end, after the twilight barking, which I'm
• 1:12:53
  assuming is the exact same thing. Wait, they
• 1:12:58
  talk via twilight barking and thought waves?
• 1:13:03
  Oh, okay. In Trafalgar Square, Tommy, the cats,
• 1:13:07
  the Dalmatians, and the general meet with thousands
• 1:13:10
  of other dogs to wait. At midnight, after a strange
• 1:13:14
  euphoric moment followed by a moment of terror,
• 1:13:17
  Sirius, the lord of the dog star, appears on
• 1:13:22
  Nelson's column. He explains to all the dogs
• 1:13:26
  that he is lonely and is offering them a chance
• 1:13:29
  to avoid the... pain of a possible nuclear war
• 1:13:32
  in the future however they must come with him
• 1:13:37
  of their own accord he assures them the world
• 1:13:40
  when it wakes up will not remember dogs ever
• 1:13:44
  existed and that all dogs will be free and no
• 1:13:48
  true bliss among the stars so this dog comes
• 1:13:53
  down Sirius the lord of the dog star comes down
• 1:13:57
  to earth and basically says lads, you can come
• 1:14:01
  with me and you can come to wherever the fuck
• 1:14:05
  we're going to go, over in the dog star, and
• 1:14:08
  we're going to have the best time ever, but humans
• 1:14:11
  will just stay on Earth and also not know that
• 1:14:17
  dogs ever existed. What the fuck? That's mental.
• 1:14:23
  isn't it i really want to i really want to read
• 1:14:26
  it it sounds crazy apparently there's also a
• 1:14:29
  part where a persian cat suggests the cruel is
• 1:14:32
  probably behind no one being able to wake which
• 1:14:34
  is i guess it makes sense for a dog to think
• 1:14:37
  that who's just gone through that traumatic event
• 1:14:38
  or the cat even um but at the same time it's
• 1:14:41
  like it's probably that woman who wants to make
• 1:14:44
  fur coats who's put the entire world to sleep
• 1:14:45
  like i think it's a bit out of element of abilities
• 1:14:51
  But apparently she leads a group of dogs to Cruella's
• 1:14:53
  house to kill her before finding out that she's
• 1:14:55
  asleep as well. So they start an assassination
• 1:14:59
  attempt on Cruella. Oh my god, crazy. Yeah, I
• 1:15:05
  really want to read that. Alright, should we
• 1:15:07
  bloody put this in the fucking ranking machine?
• 1:15:11
  Yeah. Have we done anything else to it since
• 1:15:15
  last time? Because it's a Bitcoin miner now as
• 1:15:18
  well. Yeah, well, it's probably one of the main
• 1:15:22
  reasons of the climate collapse currently happening.
• 1:15:25
  We just keep it on in the corner. I say in the
• 1:15:29
  corner, it's in like a warehouse. It takes up
• 1:15:31
  the entire warehouse. We have to go over to it
• 1:15:34
  and just feed our thoughts to the machine. But
• 1:15:41
  I added a new thing where it now... put salt
• 1:15:48
  in fresh water like just the fresh water that
• 1:15:51
  we have um so yeah it's just actively being terrible
• 1:15:57
  to the world um and we won't stop we need to
• 1:16:03
  rank the films yeah What are our rankings, Andy?
• 1:16:08
  So we have four rankings. We start at the very
• 1:16:12
  top of something called Disney Classics, which
• 1:16:15
  is what we would consider a film that is on par
• 1:16:18
  with its original to be, or of that sort of quality.
• 1:16:23
  Something you could imagine Disney would put
• 1:16:24
  out and proudly call a Disney film. Yes. We're
• 1:16:29
  talking about films like... A Disney Classique.
• 1:16:31
  Talking about films like Fantasia 2000 and Cinderella
• 1:16:33
  3 there. Following that, we have Diamond Edition,
• 1:16:37
  which is a film that isn't quite a classic, but
• 1:16:40
  it got a bit of a special treatment when it came
• 1:16:42
  out. So currently in there is just Santa Claus
• 1:16:45
  2. What a picture. Following that, we have the
• 1:16:54
  straight to video category. So we're straight
• 1:16:57
  to video. We have Bambi 2. This is something
• 1:17:00
  where it's a bit more of an average film. It
• 1:17:03
  came straight out of video. It would probably
• 1:17:05
  appeal to kids who like the original and then
• 1:17:07
  you don't really think about it again. And then
• 1:17:10
  we have Bargain Bin, which is the films that
• 1:17:13
  we don't really think deserve the time of day.
• 1:17:15
  They go straight on sale. They're not worth paying
• 1:17:18
  for full price. And they are probably not worth
• 1:17:21
  watching at all. 99p in the bin. That's the home
• 1:17:24
  of films such as Return to Neverland, Lady and
• 1:17:27
  the Tramp 2, Scams and Revenge. And you fucking
• 1:17:31
  idiot, you've put Scams and Revenge. And Cinderella
• 1:17:36
  2. I forgot. I genuinely forgot I did that. I
• 1:17:40
  just thought you forgot the name of it. What's
• 1:17:42
  it called? I can't remember. Scam's Adventure.
• 1:17:47
  I said it so confidently as well. I know. Oh,
• 1:17:52
  God. That's really funny. And Cinderella 2. Into
• 1:17:57
  the garbage. Where are you putting it? Well,
• 1:18:01
  where are you putting it? Because I think you're
• 1:18:03
  going... bargain bin yeah i think it should be
• 1:18:07
  lower than bargain bin do you think this is the
• 1:18:09
  worst we've done it's bad man the worst we've
• 1:18:14
  done though now maybe scamp's adventure is worse
• 1:18:18
  but i i would oh god i hated this bargain bin
• 1:18:23
  of course damn that is uh I'm a bit shocked.
• 1:18:28
  Painful watch, man. It sucks. It sucks. I don't
• 1:18:32
  see anything in this that could possibly be more
• 1:18:35
  offensive to you than Return to Neverland or
• 1:18:38
  Cinderella 2. Sucks. Fair enough. I don't know
• 1:18:43
  what it is. There's something about it that just
• 1:18:46
  pisses me off. And it's just, I really didn't
• 1:18:50
  enjoy it at all. Yeah. Fair enough. Where are
• 1:18:55
  you popping it, my boy? I'm going to put it in
• 1:18:58
  Diamond Edition, to be honest. I thought it was
• 1:19:00
  a step above the usual ones we watch. I don't
• 1:19:02
  think it was amazing. What?! Like I say, it's
• 1:19:08
  not one I would come back to. However, I think
• 1:19:13
  it was a step above the slop of Return to Neverland,
• 1:19:16
  Lady and the Tramp Scams Adventure, and Cinderella
• 1:19:18
  2. I also think it was a bit of a step up above
• 1:19:20
  Bambi 2, because... It just felt like there was
• 1:19:24
  more effort put into the animation. What's happening?
• 1:19:30
  I think it's charming. I think it's... You know
• 1:19:34
  what? I think it would either be Diamond Edition
• 1:19:35
  or straight to video, actually. I was going to
• 1:19:40
  say Diamond Edition, especially you saying that
• 1:19:44
  if a power cut happened, Andy, you are the man
• 1:19:48
  that will watch everything. To the end, no matter
• 1:19:53
  what. If something new is coming out, you will
• 1:19:56
  go back to the originals. You will watch all
• 1:19:59
  the originals. There's no way that you are considering
• 1:20:02
  this Diamond Edition. You're pranking me, and
• 1:20:05
  I know it. Okay, the Power Cup thing was probably
• 1:20:08
  a bit harsh to say. I just mean, like, I don't
• 1:20:11
  know, like, if I was watching it at a friend's
• 1:20:13
  house and then I went home, I would... If a park
• 1:20:16
  happened, I'd probably put it back on. That's
• 1:20:18
  not Diamond Edition, baby. That's not Diamond
• 1:20:21
  Edition. It just feels better than the other
• 1:20:25
  ones, though. It feels a bit more charming and
• 1:20:27
  a bit more cared for and a bit more clean. I
• 1:20:31
  think I would put it low Diamond Edition, high
• 1:20:34
  straight to video. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy.
• 1:20:40
  But I don't know where it's going to end up because
• 1:20:41
  we're different on this. Would you concede to
• 1:20:46
  a straighter video? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you can
• 1:20:54
  do that. And just for you, just for you, look
• 1:20:57
  at where I'll put it. I'll put it the other side
• 1:20:59
  of Bambi 2. This is just for you. I mean, we
• 1:21:02
  don't really rank it that way yet, but... Well,
• 1:21:06
  you were talking about like a high... diamond
• 1:21:10
  or a low diamond edition and stuff and that's
• 1:21:12
  how i kind of see it so yeah fair enough yeah
• 1:21:15
  we should probably do like a full -on rank and
• 1:21:18
  of everything like top to bottom at some point
• 1:21:20
  but uh yeah but yeah that's uh in fact you know
• 1:21:25
  what i have actually um been doing that on my
• 1:21:28
  phone as we've gone just personally we should
• 1:21:31
  do like a proper official one for the podcast
• 1:21:32
  but i'm just gonna see where i put this right
• 1:21:35
  don't take this the wrong way But 101 Dalmatians
• 1:21:39
  2 is the third best one we've watched so far.
• 1:21:42
  Are you fucking kidding me? No. Are you kidding?
• 1:21:47
  No! Yeah. In my opinion, this is... I think it
• 1:21:53
  goes Cinderella 3, Fantasia 2000, 101 Dalmatians
• 1:21:57
  2, Bambi 2, Return to Neverland, Santa Claus
• 1:22:00
  2, Cinderella 2, Lady and the Tramp 2. That's
• 1:22:04
  my little ranking. God. Oh, that's depressing.
• 1:22:11
  So for me, it would be Cinderella 3, Fantasia
• 1:22:15
  2000, Santa Claus 2. No. Oh, my God. It would
• 1:22:20
  be Cinderella 3, Santa Claus 2, Fantasia 2000,
• 1:22:24
  Bambi 2. Towards the end, it's getting hard.
• 1:22:27
  Return to Neverland, Scamp's Adventure, Cinderella
• 1:22:31
  2, 101 Dalmatians. I'm shocked it's at the bottom
• 1:22:35
  of your list. I just don't find this offensive.
• 1:22:37
  I hate it. I don't know. I don't know. There's
• 1:22:41
  something about it that pissed me off and I just,
• 1:22:43
  I really did not enjoy it. Maybe another day
• 1:22:46
  I would have liked it, but there was something
• 1:22:48
  about it that just rubbed me the wrong way. I
• 1:22:52
  don't like it. That was another controversial
• 1:22:55
  Rankin. Yeah, we like when this happens, though.
• 1:23:01
  That's great. Would you like some letterboxd
• 1:23:06
  reviews? Yeah, it's always good when it's...
• 1:23:09
  Like Santa Claus 2, it's good to get an idea
• 1:23:11
  of what other normal people think after we've
• 1:23:14
  butted heads over it. That's very true. So, this
• 1:23:18
  is sitting at a 2 .8 average rating. That's respectable.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah, it's not too bad. It's middling kind of
• 1:23:29
  thing. 1 ,652 five -star ratings, so that's 6%.
• 1:23:35
  408 half -star ratings, so that's 1%. And it
• 1:23:42
  has 20 fans, so 20 people have put this in their
• 1:23:46
  favorites of all time. Which is insane. Who are
• 1:23:50
  you? You are insane. So let's take a look at
• 1:23:54
  some reviews. We've got Shafralas again. Three
• 1:23:58
  and a half stars. He said, like if Bolt was good.
• 1:24:03
  Oh. The film Bolt. And I've seen a fair bit of
• 1:24:10
  people saying that this is very similar to Bolt.
• 1:24:15
  Yeah, it is. I've never seen Bolt, so I have
• 1:24:17
  no idea. I've seen it. It is a bit like that.
• 1:24:19
  Oh. just minus like thunderbolt's entire story
• 1:24:23
  and this is basically bolt right okay jade talks
• 1:24:27
  too much uh also gave it three and a half stars
• 1:24:30
  uh and she said feels kind of like an early crappier
• 1:24:34
  version of bolt uh but it's still fun because
• 1:24:38
  i could watch cruella and martin short riff all
• 1:24:41
  day their scenes were hilarious everything else
• 1:24:44
  was okay pretty cute but nothing too special
• 1:24:47
  So between those two reviews, we've got one saying
• 1:24:49
  it's better than Bolt, and one saying it's worse
• 1:24:50
  than Bolt. Yes, absolutely. We have two and a
• 1:24:55
  half stars from Eliza, who says, this warped
• 1:24:59
  so Bolt could soar. So we've got another Bolt
• 1:25:03
  comparison. I did see a one and a half. There
• 1:25:10
  we go. One and a half stars by J Will. Forgot
• 1:25:14
  to log the final piece of my Cruella prep. So
• 1:25:19
  this person must have been doing a... Full unnecessary
• 1:25:26
  franchise watch. Oh, God. Two and a half stars
• 1:25:33
  from Sam Morrison. Why do they keep calling these
• 1:25:35
  things 101 Dalmatians and then fail to feature
• 1:25:38
  them in the majority, only showing up at the
• 1:25:41
  beginning and the end, just like Pongo and Purdy
• 1:25:43
  and the others from the first film? I had a smile
• 1:25:48
  on my face as things started out with all the
• 1:25:50
  familiar... Wait, this is way longer than I thought,
• 1:25:53
  so I'm not going to read the whole thing. It's
• 1:25:55
  too busy with new characters that don't make
• 1:25:57
  the events exciting. And I, for one, would have
• 1:25:59
  voted to stick with just the family and the original
• 1:26:01
  dogs. You know, all 101 of them. Agreed. Four
• 1:26:06
  stars from Retage. I really do miss old Disney.
• 1:26:13
  There we go. We'll leave it there because I don't
• 1:26:16
  want to... I will say, I don't necessarily think
• 1:26:20
  I would have reviewed this and I miss old Disney
• 1:26:22
  or anything, but something that I like about
• 1:26:25
  these Disney sequels on Disney Plus is that every,
• 1:26:29
  you know, the actual Disney classics have all
• 1:26:31
  had like the new intro added to them, the new
• 1:26:34
  castle logo. But these have got the classic one
• 1:26:37
  which we grew up on and it just gives me that
• 1:26:39
  little like, clugs my little heart. I do love
• 1:26:42
  it. I do love it. It's really, really nice. Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Agreed. Anyway, that's that, isn't it? Is that
• 1:26:53
  all right? That's that. That's that. Oh, my goodness.
• 1:26:57
  It's time to wrap it up and get the hell out
• 1:27:01
  of here, I think. Time to go on our own London
• 1:27:03
  adventure. But first, we've got to say some thank
• 1:27:06
  yous, don't we? We do, yes, indeed. Thank you
• 1:27:09
  to Jotaron, who does our wonderful little theme
• 1:27:13
  tune. Yeah, we love it so much. A big thank you
• 1:27:18
  to our producer, Jordan G. And also, he also
• 1:27:24
  helped with the artwork and helped with the concept
• 1:27:29
  of the podcast as well. Yes, indeed. Who else
• 1:27:35
  do we have to thank? Andy, thank you for editing,
• 1:27:37
  as always. You're smashing it, as per. Thank
• 1:27:40
  you very much. And thank you for your social
• 1:27:44
  media presence and our animations. I haven't
• 1:27:48
  done one for a while, so don't thank me for that
• 1:27:50
  until I do a new one. Well, no thank you. You
• 1:27:55
  need to hold me accountable because otherwise
• 1:27:58
  I won't do it. No thank you for you. And if you
• 1:28:07
  guys want to get in contact with us, you can.
• 1:28:11
  We are on email at aftereverafterpod at gmail
• 1:28:17
  .com. You can find Andy and I on our socials.
• 1:28:22
  You can find me at Jimmy Smirds on Instagram.
• 1:28:26
  And my name is Narumph on Letterboxd if you want
• 1:28:32
  to follow me on there. That's N -A -H -R -U -M
• 1:28:35
  -P -H. Andy, where can they find you? You can
• 1:28:39
  find me at Oatman's Movies on Instagram. I won't
• 1:28:42
  lie, I don't really post that much. I keep saying
• 1:28:44
  I will, and let's be real, I won't. But you can
• 1:28:48
  certainly follow me, and you can slide in my
• 1:28:52
  DMs, or we can talk on Letterboxd, where I'm
• 1:28:54
  at Oaty Boat. And the podcast is also at After
• 1:28:59
  Ever After. podcast? pod? just pod I think it's
• 1:29:06
  pod let me double check because I can't remember
• 1:29:08
  either after ever after pod we are rusty we are
• 1:29:15
  rusty it's been a while to be fair but no this
• 1:29:19
  was really fun yeah if you do want to get in
• 1:29:22
  contact if you want to talk to us about Disney
• 1:29:24
  stuff please just message us on Instagram we'd
• 1:29:26
  be more than happy to chat anything disney with
• 1:29:31
  you uh if you've got any thoughts about um uh
• 1:29:35
  patches revenge please uh send them our way because
• 1:29:41
  we'd love to hear them um but yeah indeed is
• 1:29:44
  that it That is it, yeah. Thank you very much
• 1:29:47
  for listening as always. Thank you for being
• 1:29:49
  patient with us during our little break. We're
• 1:29:51
  hoping that that will be the last of the delays.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, we should be back on it. We're going to
• 1:29:57
  try and be a little bit more on it. I know that
• 1:30:01
  I'm... No, I'm not going to say that. Never mind.
• 1:30:05
  What were you going to say? I was just going
• 1:30:08
  to be like, I know that I'm a bit shit with my
• 1:30:11
  time or something like that. I thought you were
• 1:30:13
  going to be like, I thought you were going to
• 1:30:14
  be like, I know I'm always ready to record, but
• 1:30:17
  it's just whenever Andy comes. It's this fucking,
• 1:30:20
  it's this fucking guy. This fucking guy who just
• 1:30:23
  can't get his shit together. I thought you were
• 1:30:27
  going to drop me in the shit. No, I'm the main
• 1:30:33
  cause of it because I'm always busy. And then,
• 1:30:36
  yeah. Yeah, but we're working on things. Don't
• 1:30:40
  you worry. Look at us. We're just very smart
• 1:30:45
  with things. We're all smart. Hell yeah. But
• 1:30:49
  yeah, Andy, I'll see you after Ever After. I'll
• 1:30:54
  see you after Ever After. Take care of yourself.
• 1:30:57
  Take care, everyone. Bye -bye. Lots of love.
• 1:31:00
  Bye.