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Speaker 1: God is the report.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening coming up on the show tonight. The
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Speaker 2: Coalition is ready to fight the next election on energy policy.
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Speaker 2: But should they ditch net zero altogether? Matt Canavan joins me.
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Speaker 2: The government's response to the housing crisis is going absolutely nowhere.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk about that with Pauline Hansen. And should parents
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Speaker 2: get consent from their kids when tracking them via their phones?
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Speaker 2: Now I know what my kids think, but by panel
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Speaker 2: we'll tackle that ethical dilemma.
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Speaker 3: A little later.
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Speaker 2: First, we're all aware that antisemitism has reached shocking levels
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Speaker 2: around the world. But just when you imagined it couldn't
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Speaker 2: possibly get any.
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Speaker 3: Worse, well it has.
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Speaker 2: In fact, this is probably the sickest thing I've seen
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Speaker 2: in the past eight months. A massive pro Palestinian mob
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Speaker 2: today picketed and exhibit in New York an exhibit memorializing
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Speaker 2: the rape and murder of Israeli young people on October seven.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely shocking.
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Speaker 2: Israelis can't even mourn their own dead without being harassed, intimidated,
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Speaker 2: and threatened. The Nova Music Festival exhibit has been running
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Speaker 2: on Wall Street for the past couple of weeks. It
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Speaker 2: was designed both to raise awareness about the horror of
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Speaker 2: the October seven terror attacks, and as a place where
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Speaker 2: New York Jews could go to pay respects to three
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four young people murdered on that day.
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Speaker 2: The exhibit was the brainchild of October seven survivor Afear
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Speaker 2: Emir now Emir, who hid in a ditch for hours
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Speaker 2: after being shot in both legs by Hamas terrorists, said
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Speaker 2: he hoped the exhibit would be a tool for peace.
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Speaker 4: After we finished all the funerals we had to go to,
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Speaker 4: we had to do something for our friends that everyone
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Speaker 4: can come and pair their respects. And this is when
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Speaker 4: the idea of the exhibit started. Everything he receive its
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Speaker 4: origin from the festival ground. All these bullet holes were
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Speaker 4: marked by the police. Unfortunately many were killed in these silots.
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Speaker 4: This is the Loss and Found section. Everything you see
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Speaker 4: here was gathered from the festival area after the seventh
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Speaker 4: of October. These are the actual cars that were burned.
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Speaker 4: The terrorists came and just burned every car everything they could.
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Speaker 4: We have to tell our story and be the voices
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Speaker 4: of those who are not here today but earlier today.
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Speaker 2: Hundreds of pro Palestinian supporters descended on the exhibit. In
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Speaker 2: what they called a day of rage for Gaza. They
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Speaker 2: screamed that the exhibit was Zionist propaganda. They asserted that
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Speaker 2: no Jews were raped by Hamas fighters, and unbelievably, they
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Speaker 2: insisted that the more than three hundred Israelis who died
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Speaker 2: at the Nova Music festival weren't killed by Hamas but
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Speaker 2: were actually murdered by the Israeli Defense Force. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: even make sense, but anti Semitism is a mental illness,
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Speaker 2: so it's impossible to make sense of it. The disgraceful
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Speaker 2: protest began when crowds started chanting that Israeli young people
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Speaker 2: deserve to die because they'd held a dance festival so
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Speaker 2: close to Gaza. Listen to what the speaker said.
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Speaker 3: Just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: And of course the protest has forgot to mention that Gaza,
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Speaker 2: a supposed concentration camp, has received billions of dollars in
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Speaker 2: aid and shares a border with Egypt, which sincidentally is
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Speaker 2: always closed. They never mentioned that, but since when have
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters let facts get in the way of
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Speaker 2: their anti Semitism. Well from there, the protest just became
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Speaker 2: more and more obscene, if that's even possible. New Yorkers
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Speaker 2: outside and exhibit memorializing those slaughtered on October seven, flew
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Speaker 2: banners that said long live October seven, and others in
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Speaker 2: the deranged crowd chanted that the October seven massacre was justified,
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Speaker 2: that Israel could go to hell and long live the Interofada.
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Speaker 2: Imagine having so much hate in your heart that you demonstrate,
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Speaker 2: even against peace and love at a memorial dedicated to
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Speaker 2: slaughtered civilians. There's only one reason you yell long live
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Speaker 2: the Intero Fada in front of a memorial to Israel's
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Speaker 2: killed at the Nova Festival. It's because you support the
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Speaker 2: terrorists and you want the massacre to happen again. It's
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Speaker 2: a call for violence against Jews. But do you think
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden or Kamala Harris came out and condemned it. Well,
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Speaker 2: of course they didn't. They were busy with important business
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Speaker 2: at the White House. And you think the FBI, who've
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Speaker 2: called Mega supporters domestic terrorists, were on the scene at
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Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian protest taking names and numbers, I'm afraid not.
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Speaker 2: They too had other engagements this week. And as for
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Speaker 2: the police, well, they were on hand at the anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism protests but there were no arrests reported. Fortunately, however,
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Speaker 2: police did successfully arrest three teenage scooter riders who left
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Speaker 2: skid marks on a Gay Pride crossing in Washington at
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Speaker 2: the weekend. You know, I'm beginning to think maybe William
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Speaker 2: Shakespeare was right when he said Hell is empty because
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Speaker 2: all the devils, well, they're here still while the anti
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Speaker 2: Semites raged outside. Emir and his fellow survivors from October
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Speaker 2: seven continue holding out hope.
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Speaker 5: The only thing that is stronger than hate, than fear,
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Speaker 5: is love.
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Speaker 4: There's always late. We just have to look at it.
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Speaker 3: Well, God, I hope they're right.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: The climate wars are back in the spotlight as all
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Speaker 2: sides of politics battle it out over Australia's emission reduction targets.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton said today he won't put forward a new
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty target until after the next election.
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Speaker 7: Does that mean you'll have.
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Speaker 8: A lower target than Labor, Well, it means that we're
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Speaker 8: committed to net zero by twenty fifty and we need
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Speaker 8: to make sure that we don't harm Australian families and
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Speaker 8: businesses in the introm At the moment, that's what Labor
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Speaker 8: is doing and in terms of the targets. Otherwise we'll
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Speaker 8: make those decisions when we're in government.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt, thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining me. I understand Peter Dutton's policy that there's
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Speaker 2: no point going for targets at twenty thirty, which the
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Speaker 2: government's not going to meet their targets. It's only crippling
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Speaker 2: our energy grid raising prices. So we'll give ourselves the
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Speaker 2: time to get to twenty fifty net zero. We can
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Speaker 2: put in nuclear et cetera. But why don't they just
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Speaker 2: ditch net zero all together? I mean, it's not going
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Speaker 2: to change the temperature of the planet. Why doesn't the
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Speaker 2: coalition go that far?
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Speaker 5: Well, I agree with you, James, and I've been betting
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Speaker 5: this drum ever since we signed up to net zero.
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Speaker 5: And let's just take stock here of what's happened in
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Speaker 5: the past few years. We signed up as a nation
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Speaker 5: to this net zero by twenty fifty target in late
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, so that was now two and a
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Speaker 5: half years ago, and since that time, inflation has been
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Speaker 5: at record levels, interest rates have gone up thirteen times,
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Speaker 5: and everything seems.
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Speaker 1: To have gotten so much more expensive.
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Speaker 5: Now we were promised We'll promised when we signed up
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Speaker 5: to net zero missions that interest rates would go down
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Speaker 5: in Australia because we'd be flooded with investor capital desperate
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Speaker 5: to invest in a country committed to net zero missions,
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Speaker 5: and that would push downward pressure on the cost of capital.
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Speaker 5: I was pillary at the time for disputing that. But
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Speaker 5: the evidence is very clear that all that net zero
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Speaker 5: has done is hampered our productivity, that this net zero
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Speaker 5: emissions target is a massive handbreak on our nation's economy,
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Speaker 5: and we've had the worst productivity.
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Speaker 1: Growth in our nation's history.
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Speaker 5: It's not been growing, it's been declining, and that means
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Speaker 5: real wages go backwards. When your productivity declines, your wages,
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Speaker 5: your standard living goes backwards. And now real wages are
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Speaker 5: back to a level we hadn't seen since twenty and eleven.
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Speaker 5: So since we signed at zero emissions, our standard living
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Speaker 5: has gone back more than a decade. And so I
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Speaker 5: think the science is in. This is not working. It's
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Speaker 5: holding back our economy. And what we need to do
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Speaker 5: right now is remove the green tape, remove the restrictions
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Speaker 5: and focus on unleashing Australia's economic potential so that young
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Speaker 5: people in particular can have a future where they can
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Speaker 5: afford it to buy a home and start a family.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean we're impoverishing ourselves to make zero difference
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Speaker 2: to the planet.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi has attacked the coalition's energy policy.
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Speaker 3: He listened to what he said this afternoon.
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Speaker 9: He's nuclear fantasy will result in higher power prices and
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Speaker 9: more unstable energy grid and rising emissions.
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Speaker 10: No.
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Speaker 9: Twenty thirty target means walking out of the Paris That
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Speaker 9: is very clear. And if you walk out of the
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Speaker 9: Paris agreement, you're left standing with Libya, Yemen and Iran.
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Speaker 9: That is not the company that Australia should want to keep.
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Speaker 2: I got to admit, Matt I listened to that and
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Speaker 2: I just laughed. We're going to be left standing with Yemen,
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Speaker 2: Libya and Iran. That's not the company you want to keep.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I really don't think Australians are sitting there thinking,
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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm prepared to pay a lot of
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Speaker 2: money for my electricity as long as we're not.
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Speaker 3: Standing with Yemen and Iran.
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Speaker 2: But then Albanezy goes on to say, you know, nuclear
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Speaker 2: is going to put the price of electricity up and
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Speaker 2: risk blackouts.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that what his renewable policy is doing?
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Speaker 5: Well? I suppose if you're being sympathetic to the Prime Minisy,
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Speaker 5: you would give him the fact that he is the
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Speaker 5: expert at pushing power prices up. Indeed, he knows how
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Speaker 5: to do that and he's been very successful at that.
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Speaker 5: He promised at the last election to cut your power
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Speaker 5: bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars. Indeed, he
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Speaker 5: made that promise almost one hundred times to the Australian people.
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Speaker 5: That promise was to reduce your bills by that amount
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Speaker 5: by next financial year, that is, in a few weeks time.
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Speaker 5: That promise is going to be broken, of course, and
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Speaker 5: so I think the Australian people will be able to
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Speaker 5: see at the next election are we better off than
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Speaker 5: we were a few years ago without the Alberanzi made
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Speaker 5: these promises? And therefore should we listen to this bike
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Speaker 5: again who lied to us last time and is now
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Speaker 5: trying to scare us with this ridiculous scare campaign. The reality, James,
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Speaker 5: is that a major report out last year before, just
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Speaker 5: before the latest climate change conference was held, showed that
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Speaker 5: not a single developed country in the world, not a
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Speaker 5: single country in the G twenty. In fact, so not
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Speaker 5: one of the biggest twenty economies in the world was
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Speaker 5: on track to meet net zero missions. And so we
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Speaker 5: are the pariah if we continue to go down this
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Speaker 5: absurd path where we're seeking to in one generation fundamentally
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Speaker 5: change how we make and grow and do everything, transport
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Speaker 5: ourselves everything. That's a pretty radical position. I would have
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Speaker 5: thought to try and do that just a generation. If
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Speaker 5: we keep trying to do that, we're the ones out
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Speaker 5: of step. It's not just China and India, the European
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Speaker 5: Union have been reopening at coal fired power stations since Ukraine.
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Speaker 5: Last year, America produced the United States of America produced
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Speaker 5: more oil than any country ever had in one year.
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Speaker 5: And so we are the ones out of step here
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Speaker 5: stopping our gas developments, closing down our coal mines, effectively
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Speaker 5: handicapping our own economy and making us all poorer because
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Speaker 5: of it.
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Speaker 1: And there's no difference to the environment.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're absolutely right, And there's hardly a topic more
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Speaker 2: important than energy, because I mean, it affects everything. And
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Speaker 2: the level of communication from the government on this subject
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Speaker 2: is so infantile as to be depressing. Have listened to
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Speaker 2: some more of what the Prime Minister said this afternoon.
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Speaker 9: Peter Dutton is divisive. The Coalition are divided and there's
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Speaker 9: no detail about what they would pursue. They're the three
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Speaker 9: d's of the Coalition device ship divided detail, which gives
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Speaker 9: them a big f for fail when it comes to
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Speaker 9: climate policy.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, no argument, no logic, no respect for the public's intelligence,
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Speaker 2: just mindless repetition of inname phrases, as if his ability
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Speaker 2: to alliterate somehow proves his ability to run the country.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just depressing the level of conversation.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, if I was.
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Speaker 5: In Anthony Albernici's office right after that, I'll be telling
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Speaker 5: the promise now next time, Prime Minister, let's do it
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Speaker 5: with passion. Next time, let's actually show a bit of
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Speaker 5: passion behind it. Because it was so stil to that
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Speaker 5: I hadn't heard that before, but slun thing. I apologized
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Speaker 5: to the officer Prime Minister. But it's just so as
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Speaker 5: you say, it's infantile. It's the Anthony Aberonezi was a
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Speaker 5: student politician, of course, and it's not really risen above that.
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Speaker 5: I think the Australian people people are doing it really
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Speaker 5: tough right now, right and so maybe it's sometimes you
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Speaker 5: need to have these really simple lines and be very
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Speaker 5: simple a communication because people have got other things to
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Speaker 5: worry about their lives. But right now they are very
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Speaker 5: concerned about the cost of living. They are concerned about
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Speaker 5: the tensions and our geopolitical tensions in our region, and
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Speaker 5: I think they're open to having a more adult conversation
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Speaker 5: from some real leaders about what it takes in tough
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Speaker 5: times to make things better, because right now things aren't
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Speaker 5: getting better under Anthony Alberanezi.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we're getting weaker as.
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Speaker 5: A nation, and just at a time when the threat
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Speaker 5: of conflict in our region is rising, we are destroying
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Speaker 5: our manufacturing base and making very hard to do business
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Speaker 5: in this country. So I really do think that this
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Speaker 5: fertile ground here for a courageous political leader to take
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Speaker 5: the banner up here, take the fight up in favor
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Speaker 5: of our nation and smash through these ridiculous arguments that
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Speaker 5: have been put to the isral people. I think the
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Speaker 5: Israiine people are much smarter than the Prime Minister gives
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Speaker 5: them credit for.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I listened to the Prime Minister and I'm listening to
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Speaker 2: what he's saying and thinking, you know what I reckon
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Speaker 2: he should spend three hundred thousand dollars on a speech
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Speaker 2: writer as well.
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Speaker 3: Just like Bill shortened head.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before I let you go, the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 2: been war gaming and early elections scenario, submitting one hundred
15:03
Speaker 2: policies or so to the Parliamentary Budget Office for costings.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly, how likely do you think an early election is?
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Speaker 1: Look, it's possible.
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Speaker 5: Obviously it would be a huge gamble for the Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister because I think, like the Poles say, I mean,
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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty tight, pretty close out there.
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Speaker 1: I think this government's on thin ice.
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Speaker 5: It's on thin ice because it has not been able
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Speaker 5: to help Australians with their standard living. And then we've
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Speaker 5: seen perhaps the most shocking scandal political skill in a
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Speaker 5: generation unfold in the last few weeks where government has
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Speaker 5: presided over the release or if you like, the keeping
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Speaker 5: in our own country of people who committed the most
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Speaker 5: heinous crimes of violence against their own parties, against their
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Speaker 5: own family, young children, and there's no accountability, and the
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Speaker 5: Promiser looks really weak here.
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Speaker 1: And I felt that listening to.
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Speaker 5: That grab from the Primes that he just sounds not
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Speaker 5: very confident in himself, and as I say, I think
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Speaker 5: the isral people want someone who can show a bit
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Speaker 5: more leadership right now rather than he's trite, obviously well
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Speaker 5: trodden attack lines that are beneath the office of Prime minister.
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Speaker 5: So look, let's hope he refinds his voice for our country.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think he's in a great state to
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Speaker 5: go in an early election. And if he wants to
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Speaker 5: do that, bring it on. Let's bring it on. Let's
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Speaker 5: let these train people have their say. I want it
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Speaker 5: to be sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think we all want it sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, Thanks for your time. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to bring in One Nation Leader Pauline Hansen. Pauline,
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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the climate wars.
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Speaker 2: The mission's targets are in the spotlight obviously, as we've
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Speaker 2: just been discussing, what do you think should Australia just
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Speaker 2: get out of the Paris Agreement altogether?
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Speaker 11: Most definitely that's my policy, that's one nation's policy to
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Speaker 11: actually get out of it. When you look at the
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Speaker 11: major countries, there's Russia, China, in your US, Brazil. These
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Speaker 11: are all way above they'remissions trading what they've signed up to.
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Speaker 11: Then you have the EU and European Union, they are
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Speaker 11: again way above the missions trading we've signed up to.
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Speaker 11: Some we are one percent of the emissions in the
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Speaker 11: world globally. What are we doing. We've allowed China, who's
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Speaker 11: producing over thirty percent emissions, to actually go on. They're
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Speaker 11: classified as a developing country. Can you believe that? And
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Speaker 11: till twenty thirty they can put out as much emissions
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Speaker 11: as they are. They're putting out an extra two billion
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Speaker 11: carbon emissions a year. And we are raining in our industries,
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Speaker 11: our manufacturing, We're destroying our agriculture. What the hell are
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Speaker 11: we doing, James? It is absolutely ridiculous. And Peter Dutt
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Speaker 11: and take a bloody stance on this. Get out of
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Speaker 11: the Paris Agreement. No one else is adhering to it.
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Speaker 11: We're destroying our economy and our country. And I'll tell
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Speaker 11: you nothing. The biggest export of that export that we
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Speaker 11: have in.
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Speaker 1: The country is coal.
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Speaker 11: Nearly a quarter of our exports is coal. You have
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Speaker 11: the Greens, you have labor demonizing coal, which actually gives
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Speaker 11: us the cheap, reliable, dependable power and we want to
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Speaker 11: get rid of it. But that's not even just thermal coal.
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Speaker 11: That's also coc and that's used to make steel. What
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Speaker 11: the hell are we doing?
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Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it better myself, Pauline handsOn, What
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Speaker 2: the hell are we doing? I mean, Cameron Dick has
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Speaker 2: just released a budget in Queensland and I mean they're
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Speaker 2: investing billions to transition away from coal, going into debt
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Speaker 2: to do it. But of course they'll pay for that
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Speaker 2: debt by selling our coal to people overseas, so we're
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Speaker 2: not allowed to use it, but folks overseas are. I
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Speaker 2: want to move on to housing for a moment, because
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Speaker 2: the government boldly declared that they were going to facilitate
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Speaker 2: one point two million homes being built in a five
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Speaker 2: year period.
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Speaker 3: Well that's lagging.
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Speaker 2: To put it mildly, Housing approvals are slow, completions are
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Speaker 2: almost non existent, and all the while we're experiencing a
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Speaker 2: housing shortage. So we're talking about the energy crisis, but
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Speaker 2: paul In, the housing crisis needs a lot of attention
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Speaker 2: at the moment too.
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Speaker 11: It does James again, government policy, this Labor Party, that
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Speaker 11: is government of this nation. People would actually sit down
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Speaker 11: and understand the politics of this nation and what the
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Speaker 11: Labor Party have dished out to us. It all comes
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Speaker 11: from high immigration, have no doubt about it. You can't
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Speaker 11: bring people in the country if you don't have enough housing.
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Speaker 11: We're short about six hundred and fifty thousand houses in Australia.
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Speaker 11: You've got people working, people who are living in tents
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Speaker 11: and living in wherever they can, CouchSurfing whatever, because they
19:25
Speaker 11: can't afford accommodation. Your rental is below one percent in
19:29
Speaker 11: most places throughout the whole country, so there's no rental accommodation.
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Speaker 11: This was a face that the government put up. It's like, oh,
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Speaker 11: look what we're going to do for you, and they've
19:39
Speaker 11: never produced it. They never will. And they've put that
19:42
Speaker 11: ten billion aside in a fund and guess what. Not
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Speaker 11: one house has been built and I think it's about
19:47
Speaker 11: thirty five million dollars that's gone into administration fees, paying
19:51
Speaker 11: these executives huge amounts of money. And you, the Australian people,
19:55
Speaker 11: you're led to the slaughter like you know, blind sheep,
19:59
Speaker 11: and you don't know what the hell is happening. I
20:01
Speaker 11: wish people would understand, because you don't understand the impact
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Speaker 11: it's going to have on us in future generations. And
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Speaker 11: the housing is a big issue in a country like this.
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Speaker 11: We can't provide housing for strands or the greater strand
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Speaker 11: dream of loan in your own home.
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Speaker 1: Fall in.
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Speaker 2: Just before we go, I want to talk to you
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Speaker 2: about the Greens. So if you're frustrated already, you're about
20:24
Speaker 2: to get even more frustrated. Adam Bant's moral clarity is
20:27
Speaker 2: being called into question. I'm not sure it was ever existent,
20:32
Speaker 2: but he's refused to say whether convicted terrorists held by
20:36
Speaker 2: the Israeli government should be among the thousands of political
20:38
Speaker 2: prisoners that his party is calling on to be immediately released.
20:43
Speaker 3: He said in a.
20:44
Speaker 2: Statement, we want all hostages released and we want all
20:47
Speaker 2: political prisoners released. But as I said, he doesn't want
20:51
Speaker 2: to say whether convicted terrorists should be released by the
20:54
Speaker 2: Israeli government. What do you make of the Green stance
20:57
Speaker 2: on all of this?
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Speaker 11: I want to say anything, James. They've been leading these
21:02
Speaker 11: protests rallies that are happening throughout our country, the disgusting
21:06
Speaker 11: protest rallies pro Palestinian that are actually out there on
21:10
Speaker 11: our streets, harassing and the way they're treating the Jewish
21:14
Speaker 11: community in Australia. These are Australians and the way they're
21:18
Speaker 11: treating them is disgusting. Actually, they're doing the work of
21:22
Speaker 11: these terrorists and these organizations that have infiltrated our country
21:26
Speaker 11: and pushing their ideology and it's wrong. What is happening.
21:32
Speaker 11: So the Greens are waiting or depending on their votes
21:36
Speaker 11: to actually come their way at the next election. That's
21:40
Speaker 11: why he's not game to say anything about it. You've
21:42
Speaker 11: got so many people in this country now, we've got
21:45
Speaker 11: over eight hundred thousand people that claim to be Muslim
21:49
Speaker 11: in the last census, so we have real problems. I
21:52
Speaker 11: tell the people out there, go and have a look
21:54
Speaker 11: at what's happening in other countries around the world, in
21:56
Speaker 11: the UK, in France and Germany and Denmark and other countries.
22:01
Speaker 11: That's where we're headed. Wake up, Australia. We are all Australians.
22:05
Speaker 11: Should be live in peace and harmony. No one should
22:07
Speaker 11: be treated the way they are treated, whether you're Jewish,
22:11
Speaker 11: I don't care who you are, whether you're from a background,
22:14
Speaker 11: a cultural background. Should not be happening in our country.
22:18
Speaker 11: And I call on the I call on our premiers,
22:20
Speaker 11: and I call on our prime and so grow a
22:23
Speaker 11: backbone and tell the police and our federal police and
22:26
Speaker 11: the military to do something about it and stop this
22:30
Speaker 11: harassment of Australians on our streets and in their homes
22:33
Speaker 11: and in their businesses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well spoken, Pauline Hanson. I appreciate you joining me tonight. Well,
22:39
Speaker 2: after the break, the US pushes for a ceasefire deal
22:42
Speaker 2: as Anthony Blinkin meets with Benjamin Ett and Yahoo in Israel.
22:46
Speaker 2: Plus Donald Trump prepares for his July sentencing, all of
22:49
Speaker 2: that coming up in a moment with Sean Spicer. Well,
22:57
Speaker 2: the US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is in Israel
23:00
Speaker 2: for talks with Prime Minister net and Yahoo, pushing for
23:03
Speaker 2: a Gaza ceasefire plan that's been backed by the UN.
23:06
Speaker 2: He was Anthony Blincoln in Israel today.
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Speaker 12: The only party that has not accepted, the only party
23:12
Speaker 12: that's not said yes Mas.
23:14
Speaker 1: That's who everyone's waiting on. That's who the.
23:18
Speaker 12: Palestinians in Gaza are waiting on. It's who the Israelis
23:21
Speaker 12: are waiting on. It's who the hostages and the hostage
23:24
Speaker 12: families are waiting on. It's who the entire region and
23:27
Speaker 12: the entire world is waiting on and so we'll see
23:31
Speaker 12: does Amas want to end this conflict and this war that.
23:35
Speaker 1: It started or not.
23:37
Speaker 2: Now, of course, this visit comes after the idea of
23:39
Speaker 2: successfully rescued four hostages from Gaza at the weekend. Joining
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Speaker 2: me to discuss this and all the other news out
23:45
Speaker 2: of the US, his former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, Sean,
23:49
Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. This is Blincoln's eighth visit to
23:52
Speaker 2: the region since the October seven attacks. How likely is
23:55
Speaker 2: a ceasefire agreement this time?
23:57
Speaker 3: Do you think.
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Speaker 1: It's a great.
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Speaker 6: Question, James.
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Speaker 13: I think the idea of thinking that somehow a terrorist
24:05
Speaker 13: organization that has inflicted this much pain and acted so
24:10
Speaker 13: recklessly is suddenly going to come to their senses as
24:13
Speaker 13: blinking thinks is going to happen is kind of nuts.
24:15
Speaker 6: To begin with. We've got to remember that this idea.
24:19
Speaker 13: That these folks who came into this you came into
24:23
Speaker 13: Israel on October seventh, took women and children that were
24:27
Speaker 13: innocent in this conflict that didn't exist until then, and
24:30
Speaker 13: suddenly we think somehow they're going to be good actors
24:32
Speaker 13: in this conversation is crazy, And I think that's the
24:35
Speaker 13: fundamental flaw in all of this, is that we are
24:38
Speaker 13: not allowing Israel to prosecute this as they should.
24:42
Speaker 6: This was their people.
24:43
Speaker 13: Frankly, there's American citizens that are being held hostage as well,
24:47
Speaker 13: and we're acting as though this is some kind of
24:50
Speaker 13: skirmish that needs to be finalized.
24:54
Speaker 6: Is ridiculous.
24:56
Speaker 13: I think the reason that he keeps coming back is
24:58
Speaker 13: that they're acting as though that Hamas is some kind
25:02
Speaker 13: of pragmatic organization that's looking to a logical outcome.
25:07
Speaker 2: And the big sticking point here is I understand it
25:09
Speaker 2: is that Hamasa demanding as a condition of a cease
25:12
Speaker 2: fire that Israel agreed to end the war completely.
25:16
Speaker 3: But of course.
25:18
Speaker 2: Yahu can't do that because he stated the elimination of
25:21
Speaker 2: Hamas completely is a major goal.
25:26
Speaker 6: Right, But I don't think any of us should.
25:27
Speaker 13: I mean, they are a terrorist organization that went in
25:31
Speaker 13: and took hostages and have held them and have done
25:36
Speaker 13: horrible things.
25:37
Speaker 6: This was started by Hamas.
25:38
Speaker 13: That is the one thing that blinking got right, and
25:40
Speaker 13: the idea that we are somehow supposed to be negotiating
25:43
Speaker 13: in good faith with this organization is ridiculous.
25:46
Speaker 6: Hamas needs to understand.
25:48
Speaker 13: That it right now that the eyes of the world
25:51
Speaker 13: are on it, and that all of that firepower that
25:53
Speaker 13: Israel hasn't it the idea that Israel is somehow supposed
25:56
Speaker 13: to be the good actor in all this. They have
25:57
Speaker 13: a right to defend themselves and take offensive actions as
26:01
Speaker 13: any country would who had this perpetrated upon them. And
26:04
Speaker 13: I just I don't understand the mentality that somehow believes
26:09
Speaker 13: that Hamas it's a stated terrorist organization, is somehow going
26:13
Speaker 13: to come to its senses, which is what Blinkin keeps
26:16
Speaker 13: referring to.
26:17
Speaker 6: So, yes, this is an eighth trip.
26:18
Speaker 13: But the reason that he hasn't been successful in the
26:21
Speaker 13: previous seventh is that I think he completely fundamentally misunderstands
26:25
Speaker 13: the nature of what's happening.
26:27
Speaker 2: So while blinking is trying to organize a ceasefire in Gaza,
26:32
Speaker 2: the Biden administration is close to finalizing a landmark defense
26:35
Speaker 2: treaty with Saudi Arabia.
26:39
Speaker 13: Right, Well, look, I think that the thing that's for me, obviously,
26:43
Speaker 13: I'm more focused on domestic politics here, James. And it's
26:47
Speaker 13: interesting because when they were when they came into office
26:51
Speaker 13: in January of twenty twenty, you think about where the
26:54
Speaker 13: world was.
26:55
Speaker 6: At that time.
26:56
Speaker 13: President Trump had left a world that was much more
26:58
Speaker 13: stable area where we were making peace agreements. And this interestingly,
27:04
Speaker 13: President Biden came into office calling people in the Middle East,
27:07
Speaker 13: countries in the Middle East pariahs, talking about how we're
27:10
Speaker 13: gonna they were gonna, you know, reveal a certain fate
27:14
Speaker 13: among them. And yet here he is trying to patch
27:16
Speaker 13: together back a sense of peace that was there. The
27:19
Speaker 13: only thing that changed between now and them is him.
27:22
Speaker 13: You look at Israel and Hamas, what's going on in
27:24
Speaker 13: the Middle East, and so much of it is a
27:26
Speaker 13: reversal of where President Trump left this countries making peace,
27:31
Speaker 13: historic peace through the Abraham Accords, and now it's just
27:35
Speaker 13: it shouldn't be lost to anyone here in the US
27:37
Speaker 13: and frankly around the world. The differences of forty years
27:41
Speaker 13: of Trump versus three and a half years of Biden,
27:43
Speaker 13: you can say that, you know, maybe Biden goes to
27:46
Speaker 13: bed a lot earlier and doesn't tweet out stuff, but
27:48
Speaker 13: the world was a better and safer place under President Trump.
27:53
Speaker 2: How important are these peace treaties in Gaza and this
27:57
Speaker 2: mutual defense treaty with an authoritarian regime in Saudi Arabia.
28:02
Speaker 2: How important is that for Biden domestically as opposed to,
28:06
Speaker 2: you know, is it going to be good internationally?
28:09
Speaker 6: It's an interesting question.
28:10
Speaker 13: I mean, foreign policy has rarely played into our domestic elections.
28:15
Speaker 6: However, I think it goes to.
28:17
Speaker 13: An overall narrative of Biden, which is, hey, things were
28:20
Speaker 13: better under Trump and when you can point to both
28:23
Speaker 13: domestic issues and foreign policy issues.
28:26
Speaker 6: And why that matters is that while so much of
28:28
Speaker 6: this is.
28:29
Speaker 13: Technically foreign policy, our taxpayers are being asked to step
28:33
Speaker 13: up in finance more. Whether it's the war in Israel
28:37
Speaker 13: and Hamas, whether it's the war in Ukraine that Russia
28:40
Speaker 13: is waging, that it's taxpayers here in the United States
28:43
Speaker 13: that are being asked to finance it. And so they're
28:46
Speaker 13: looking at a foreign issue through a domestic lens. And
28:50
Speaker 13: that's what makes it, you know, a little different, because
28:53
Speaker 13: it's not just some kind of foreign war that we're
28:56
Speaker 13: involved in diplomatically trying to find a resolution to, but
29:00
Speaker 13: we're actually being asked to finance it. Here we are
29:03
Speaker 13: undermining our own national security in my opinion, by sending
29:06
Speaker 13: so many of these munitions and and different.
29:10
Speaker 6: Artillery shells etc.
29:11
Speaker 13: Over overseas at a time when we are leaving the
29:15
Speaker 13: shelves barren.
29:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you certainly get the idea that Biden would
29:20
Speaker 2: love to go to the presidential debates with Trump having
29:24
Speaker 2: had a few wins internationally, to say, see, I can
29:28
Speaker 2: manage things, give it both domestically and internationally.
29:31
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, though, the answer is simple, like you created the fire,
29:35
Speaker 13: and now you want credit for.
29:36
Speaker 6: Putting it out.
29:37
Speaker 13: Again, if I'm Trump, I said, great, in four years,
29:40
Speaker 13: there were no foreign wars. Hamas wasn't attacking Israel, Russia
29:44
Speaker 13: hadn't invaded any aspect of land, or taken over anything
29:49
Speaker 13: or usurped anything in four years, for the first time
29:52
Speaker 13: since Putin had taken office, Trump can point to all
29:55
Speaker 13: over the globe being a lot more stable. What Biden
29:58
Speaker 13: can say is, yeah, I withdrew a from Afghanistan. We
30:01
Speaker 13: lost thirteen lives and sent a signal throughout the world
30:03
Speaker 13: that we don't stand by our allies. And look what's
30:06
Speaker 13: happened since. And yes, in some cases I've created a
30:09
Speaker 13: couple of deals here and there. I don't think the
30:11
Speaker 13: American people would buy that. Again, the example is fairly simple.
30:15
Speaker 13: You lit a fire, and now you want credit for
30:17
Speaker 13: putting part of it out, because again, it wouldn't even
30:20
Speaker 13: be the whole fire.
30:21
Speaker 2: Indeed, let's talk about Trump quickly. He's preparing for his
30:26
Speaker 2: July sentencing after being found guilty in that hush money trial.
30:30
Speaker 2: He's scheduled to be interviewed by probation officials. That's one
30:34
Speaker 2: of the steps towards sentencing. How does that play out, Sean,
30:37
Speaker 2: and what do you expect the result to be?
30:41
Speaker 13: You know, James, Actually, that's a really interesting question you're
30:44
Speaker 13: asking because there's this theory here, so that, as you
30:48
Speaker 13: point out correctly, is a step that everyone who's been
30:50
Speaker 13: convicted by a jury in New York meets with the
30:53
Speaker 13: probation officer. That probation officer determines a recommendation to the judge, saying, hey,
30:59
Speaker 13: here's there deployment here, they're family obligations, right, I mean,
31:02
Speaker 13: in this case, it's kind of weird. Hi, this is
31:04
Speaker 13: a billionaire, he's got plenty of money. He was president
31:07
Speaker 13: of the United States, he's the leading candidate to return
31:09
Speaker 13: to office.
31:10
Speaker 6: And here's my assessment of them.
31:12
Speaker 13: So their job is to make an assessment as to
31:15
Speaker 13: what a punishment might be appropriate or would be tolerable.
31:19
Speaker 13: Do they have obligations that they need to meet in
31:22
Speaker 13: their community, their family, and maybe outstanding business that they
31:25
Speaker 13: run or are part of. So in this case, it's
31:28
Speaker 13: truly just a box that needs to be checked. Under
31:31
Speaker 13: normal circumstances, I'd say this is silly. It's a misdemeanor
31:35
Speaker 13: offense on bookkeeping charges that were well passed the statute
31:38
Speaker 13: of limitations here in America, so this would be a
31:40
Speaker 13: no brainer.
31:41
Speaker 6: I don't know where this thing goes plays out.
31:44
Speaker 13: Does Marshan, the judge there, actually recommend some kind of
31:48
Speaker 13: prison time? James, I'm convinced this was never about getting Trump,
31:52
Speaker 13: because we all know anyone who studied any amount of
31:55
Speaker 13: American law knows that this is going to get overturned
31:58
Speaker 13: on appeal. But it won't until after the election, I believe,
32:02
Speaker 13: and I've been saying this over and over again. This
32:04
Speaker 13: was about the moniker, the bumper sticker, the slogan convicted felon.
32:08
Speaker 13: The Democrats have tried to hurt Trump, they try to
32:11
Speaker 13: take him off the ballot, they try to impeach him,
32:13
Speaker 13: They've tried to go after him in four different cases.
32:15
Speaker 13: They just wanted to be able to use the slogan
32:17
Speaker 13: convicted felon, so that they can ask every Republican, and
32:21
Speaker 13: we see this throughout the US media, will you vote
32:24
Speaker 13: for a convicted felon? What do you think now that
32:26
Speaker 13: he's a convicted felon? This was all about the latest
32:29
Speaker 13: and greatest. Remember in twenty sixteen it was about Russia.
32:32
Speaker 13: Twenty twenty, it was suppressing a laptop. This is the
32:35
Speaker 13: latest iteration and how they're getting Trump.
32:38
Speaker 2: And while Trump is meeting with probation officials Hunter Biden,
32:42
Speaker 2: the jury have retired to deliberate on the verdicts regarding
32:45
Speaker 2: his gun trial, whether he's guilty of federal firearm child
32:49
Speaker 2: just specifically of lying about his drug addiction when purchasing
32:52
Speaker 2: a weapon. How long do you think the jury will
32:55
Speaker 2: be out and do you think they'll find him guilty
32:57
Speaker 2: or will there be some sympathy for the drug addicted
33:01
Speaker 2: son of the president?
33:03
Speaker 6: I think the latter.
33:04
Speaker 13: I don't see any world that this guy gets convicted.
33:07
Speaker 6: He is in Delaware.
33:07
Speaker 13: It's a home field game, home field advantage here. Everybody
33:11
Speaker 13: knows the Bidens is a small city. They've been in
33:14
Speaker 13: office for a half a century doing all sorts of deals.
33:17
Speaker 13: I don't think there's any question he gets off on this.
33:19
Speaker 13: But to the first part of what you said, look
33:21
Speaker 13: at the difference Trump, it was this connect the dots.
33:24
Speaker 13: Michael Cohen says this, maybe maybe this didn't happen. There's
33:27
Speaker 13: no direct proof that any of it occurred. In Hunter
33:29
Speaker 13: Biden's case. He bought the gun, that's indisputable. He signed
33:33
Speaker 13: a federal firearms application, that's indisputable.
33:37
Speaker 6: None of that. Like, he doesn't.
33:38
Speaker 13: Dispute it, his attorney doesn't dispute it. Question eleven e
33:41
Speaker 13: is are you an active drug user? He lied on
33:44
Speaker 13: that form. There is no question about it that he
33:46
Speaker 13: was an active drug user. Why do I can say
33:49
Speaker 13: that because he literally said it in his own book.
33:52
Speaker 13: The prosecution played the audio of him talking in his
33:56
Speaker 13: book about how he was actively using crack. There are
33:59
Speaker 13: text messages about him looking for a drug dealer named
34:01
Speaker 13: Mooki during that time. Again, his text messages, not somebody
34:05
Speaker 13: else's saying here you are. Family members have testified that
34:08
Speaker 13: he was using drugs. Haley Biden, his brother's wife, who
34:13
Speaker 13: he was having a relationship with at the time, said
34:15
Speaker 13: that she saw the gun in his folder. Leather Sack.
34:20
Speaker 13: I guess it was with residue of cocaine on it. Again,
34:24
Speaker 13: not disputed. None of those facts are in dispute right now.
34:27
Speaker 13: That by Hunter Biden, not by his attorney. And yet
34:30
Speaker 13: I still think he's going to get off well.
34:32
Speaker 2: The contrast between the treatment of Donald Trump and the
34:35
Speaker 2: treatment of Hunter Biden is fascinating and a bit more
34:38
Speaker 2: to play out in all of that. So we're watching
34:40
Speaker 2: with interest. Sean Spicer, thank you so much for your
34:43
Speaker 2: time tonight.
34:44
Speaker 1: My pleasure.
34:45
Speaker 6: Good to see you.
34:47
Speaker 3: Well.
34:47
Speaker 2: Coming out police outrage that a twelve year old facing
34:51
Speaker 2: eighty criminal charges is let out on the streets again
34:54
Speaker 2: for a third time. My panel joins me to discuss
34:57
Speaker 2: that and other things next.
35:03
Speaker 3: Welcome back, well A.
35:04
Speaker 2: Sydney Theatre's grossly one sided statement on the war in
35:07
Speaker 2: Gaza has seen subscribers cancel their memberships and donors pull
35:12
Speaker 2: their funding. Cast and crew members from the Belvoir Street
35:16
Speaker 2: Theater weren't content to simply put on a good show.
35:19
Speaker 2: They published and signed a statement in the production's digital
35:22
Speaker 2: brochure calling on people to oppose Israel for its genocide
35:26
Speaker 2: and occupation. The cast and crew of the play Never
35:29
Speaker 2: Closer Closer called on patrons to donate to the United
35:33
Speaker 2: Nations Relief and Works Agency, an organization that has been
35:37
Speaker 2: shown to have.
35:37
Speaker 3: Worrying links with Hamas.
35:40
Speaker 2: Now, the brochure made no mention of October seven, or
35:42
Speaker 2: of Israeli hostages, or of Hermas being a terror group.
35:46
Speaker 2: Joining me to discuss this is Sky News host Danikit
35:49
Speaker 2: de Giorgio and The Daddy Telegraphs National affairs editor and
35:53
Speaker 2: Sky News host James Morrow. James, what is it with
35:57
Speaker 2: the arts and their opposition to Israel?
35:59
Speaker 3: We keep seeing.
36:00
Speaker 2: People involved in the theater use their platform to stir
36:04
Speaker 2: up anti Semitism.
36:06
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I mean I think I might go back
36:08
Speaker 10: to the example of I think the ancient Romans and
36:10
Speaker 10: how they dealt with their actors. They basically said, you know,
36:13
Speaker 10: you act and you shut up, you go live under
36:15
Speaker 10: the stage for the rest of the time. I just
36:17
Speaker 10: don't think that these theater companies it's particularly wise for them.
36:21
Speaker 10: I mean, obviously we know that actors, actresses to the
36:25
Speaker 10: theater community, they are gonna be left wing, There's no
36:28
Speaker 10: question about that. I know when I go to the theater,
36:31
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna go and see a bunch of people
36:32
Speaker 10: who are gonna be you know, Maga Trump voters off stage.
36:35
Speaker 10: That's fine. I don't care about that. But it just
36:37
Speaker 10: seems to me that you're going against the whole idea
36:41
Speaker 10: of what art is about, which is to take you
36:44
Speaker 10: out of the day to day concerns. Sit in this theater,
36:46
Speaker 10: you're watching you play, it's something else entirely that's happening.
36:49
Speaker 10: And then to have that bam brought in, you know,
36:52
Speaker 10: in the middle of all this, when you're just trying
36:53
Speaker 10: to enjoy the theater. I just think it's inappropriate. It
36:56
Speaker 10: mean inappropriate if it's taking a side on the other
36:58
Speaker 10: side too. I don't think that when the play itself
37:03
Speaker 10: isn't political, that this has any place and the actors
37:07
Speaker 10: are free to do what they want on their own time.
37:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you, James and Deniko. I
37:12
Speaker 2: mean it's the same with sporting events, isn't it. You
37:14
Speaker 2: go to the theater, You go to the football because you
37:16
Speaker 2: want to get away from life.
37:18
Speaker 14: At Absolutely, you go to the theater, for example, James,
37:21
Speaker 14: for enjoyment, for fun, to let go of any of
37:24
Speaker 14: your worries. You just want to be entertained for an
37:26
Speaker 14: hour or two. You don't want to be sitting there
37:28
Speaker 14: having this thrown into your face, all these opinions, these activists,
37:32
Speaker 14: these rogue artists that they call themselves.
37:34
Speaker 6: Enough is enough.
37:35
Speaker 14: It happened its course with the Sydney Theater Company to
37:38
Speaker 14: say it's happened.
37:38
Speaker 1: Before as well.
37:39
Speaker 14: We've got a situation where actors are now controlling theaters.
37:43
Speaker 14: Universities are being controlled as well by students. When does
37:47
Speaker 14: it end unless somebody actually comes out and says, enough
37:51
Speaker 14: is enough, keep your politics at home, keep it away,
37:53
Speaker 14: It's going to keep happening.
37:55
Speaker 3: James, absolutely well.
37:56
Speaker 2: Speaking of activists, we've said time and time again that
37:59
Speaker 2: a lot of the pro Palestinian protesters that protest all
38:03
Speaker 2: around the West, they don't actually know what they're protesting about.
38:06
Speaker 2: What a panel to have a look at these protesters
38:09
Speaker 2: in Washington, d C.
38:11
Speaker 7: Can you guys tell me a little bit about your
38:12
Speaker 7: goal here today?
38:13
Speaker 13: As queer people, we have a duty to show up
38:16
Speaker 13: here and stand in solidarity with all of the other
38:19
Speaker 13: marginalized communities.
38:21
Speaker 11: Freedom for pastime, we're celebrating both causes, for pride and
38:26
Speaker 11: for agassa.
38:27
Speaker 9: Basically, we just trying to get him to understand where
38:30
Speaker 9: everybody's coming from.
38:33
Speaker 11: And where are you coming from?
38:37
Speaker 6: Don't I don't know a lot.
38:41
Speaker 9: I don't know.
38:42
Speaker 14: They went in to get some hostages to try to
38:44
Speaker 14: stop the oppression.
38:45
Speaker 6: Would you say that rape is resistance?
38:50
Speaker 3: I don't know that much about that.
38:51
Speaker 8: I don't think I can answer that question, like.
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Speaker 5: Is rape justified because of the actions?
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Speaker 10: No, I know, I don't think.
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Speaker 11: That's it's deminily putting the unibucks seeing.
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Speaker 7: That, So you're seeing that that could be just paid.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what do you think when you look
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Speaker 3: at that?
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Speaker 14: I just got distracted by the hats. Show what's going
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Speaker 14: on there?
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Speaker 3: Well, I wish the hats were the most offensive.
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Speaker 6: The hats.
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Speaker 14: I would have offended by all of it. Well, look
39:20
Speaker 14: we've got a case, jos. Where as fashionable? Isn't it
39:22
Speaker 14: as as fashionable to rock up with you? You don't know
39:24
Speaker 14: if you're protesting for queers, for trans people, but now
39:28
Speaker 14: you're protesting for Palestine as well. If you're done, you're kfie.
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Speaker 6: You're fine.
39:33
Speaker 14: You're trying to make a statement. Look, they've got no idea,
39:36
Speaker 14: and we've seen it as well at universities when they
39:38
Speaker 14: filmed themselves.
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Speaker 3: Why you're here?
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Speaker 14: Oh you know, I just felt like I had to
39:42
Speaker 14: support my men and women, my comrades. They've got no
39:46
Speaker 14: idea why they're they wouldn't even probably know what happened
39:49
Speaker 14: on October seven. They've really it's just it's just to
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Speaker 14: make a statement. Really, it's just to be fashionable.
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Speaker 2: It is to make a statement, Danika. But James, I mean,
39:59
Speaker 2: they've not even thought that issues through. I mean, the
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Speaker 2: woman who says that Hamastus went to get some hostages
40:05
Speaker 2: to stop the oppression, and then the other woman who's
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Speaker 2: trying to work out hmmm, is rape ever justified?
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Speaker 10: Yeah? Look, I don know. Look, Vladimir Lenin had a
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Speaker 10: term for people like this, useful idiots. You know, these
40:18
Speaker 10: are people who get sucked along, go along with the
40:21
Speaker 10: revolutionary cause. And let's have no doubt about this, guys.
40:25
Speaker 10: Can I say, guys, by the way, I don't know,
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Speaker 10: this is absolutely a revolutionary program, you know, it is
40:33
Speaker 10: has All of these people are going along for the
40:35
Speaker 10: ride because they think it's nice and its kind and
40:37
Speaker 10: what you do, and they've got this kind of yell
40:39
Speaker 10: let's bring down the system kind of vibe to them.
40:41
Speaker 10: But the people who are behind this, you know, they
40:44
Speaker 10: seriously are hardcore radicals. They've studied under Alynski, you know,
40:48
Speaker 10: the nineteen sixties radical who wrote rules for radicals. This
40:51
Speaker 10: is all about a program to undermine the West, undermine capitalism.
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Speaker 6: Today.
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Speaker 10: The cause is Gaza, yesterday was microaggression, Xenu's Black Lives Matter.
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Speaker 10: None of these things seem to having an in comment
41:04
Speaker 10: except that they just all wind up being convenient things
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Speaker 10: that they can use as a battering ram against the West.
41:10
Speaker 10: And that's what this is about. These people. You just
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Speaker 10: show it on the screen. These are useful idiots going
41:16
Speaker 10: along with the cause.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they're not just a threatened danger to Jews,
41:21
Speaker 2: they are a danger to us. All back home now
41:24
Speaker 2: and further proof out justice system needs an overhaul. Police
41:27
Speaker 2: are outraged as a twelve year old, a twelve year
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Speaker 2: old with eighty criminal charges is out on bail after
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Speaker 2: being caught breaking and entering just three days after he'd
41:37
Speaker 2: been freed on bail by the New South Wales Supreme Court.
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Speaker 3: James, This twelve year old kid from Dubbo.
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Speaker 2: He's got a history of car theft, burglary, being involved
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Speaker 2: in car chases with police. How do courts keep letting
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Speaker 2: him loose?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Well it's a great question. And what it comes
41:53
Speaker 10: down to is legal rules around age of culpability, and
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Speaker 10: from ten to fourteen you're what's known as dolly incapacit.
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Speaker 10: You are not you don't have the capability to be
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Speaker 10: found guilty of a crime or theoretically not. So these
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Speaker 10: magistrates keep letting them out over and over and over again.
42:09
Speaker 10: Now you know, as you suggest though, James, these are
42:12
Speaker 10: not victimlest crimes. And you've got you know, kids doing
42:15
Speaker 10: home invasions, carjacking, taking these cars out and it's not
42:19
Speaker 10: just this kid. There's a lot of them out there
42:21
Speaker 10: that this happens, including here in Sydney, and you know,
42:24
Speaker 10: racing them around the streets. It is a miracle no
42:27
Speaker 10: one has been killed yet.
42:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Denika, what do you make of that?
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Speaker 14: Well, the problem is, James, is you've got magistrates who
42:33
Speaker 14: just keep pussy footing around here. They're treating these kids
42:38
Speaker 14: like they're angels, like they're all innocent. And so what
42:41
Speaker 14: happens is these kids go back out into the real world,
42:43
Speaker 14: they commit the same crimes and it's this circle of
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Speaker 14: reoffending over and over because they are running rings around
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Speaker 14: the justice system. There is no discipline and that is
42:52
Speaker 14: really the problem here. And as James mentioned, this is
42:55
Speaker 14: test for the Dolly incapacs, so kids know that they
42:58
Speaker 14: can indeed get away with it because they can say, well,
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Speaker 14: hang on a second, I don't know my right from wrong,
43:03
Speaker 14: and then they start from the beginning. Look, there needs
43:05
Speaker 14: to be some sort of a national summit because this
43:08
Speaker 14: isn't just a New South Wales issue like this twelve
43:10
Speaker 14: year old. This is an Australia wide problem and it's
43:14
Speaker 14: going to take an all encompassing approaches. Not just politicians,
43:17
Speaker 14: but it's youth leaders. It needs educators. They need to
43:20
Speaker 14: come together because it is a problem. These kids should
43:23
Speaker 14: be in school and yet they're running rings around the suburbs.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned parents and parents.
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Speaker 1: Parents.
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Speaker 14: Parents do play a big part in this. Where are
43:32
Speaker 14: the parents in this situation?
43:33
Speaker 2: For example, it's a great question, Well, guys, James, can
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Speaker 2: I say.
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Speaker 10: That, you can say that you go, Ho'm going to
43:40
Speaker 10: get your guys card tonight here.
43:41
Speaker 14: In I'm not offended. I'm not offended. I'm not going
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Speaker 14: to w don't worry, I'm not offended.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time on the panel tonight. We'll stick around
43:48
Speaker 2: because after the break the Big Freeze has had its
43:51
Speaker 2: most successful year yet in the fight against motor neuron disease.
43:54
Speaker 2: We'll find out how that money is supporting breakthrough research
43:57
Speaker 2: in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Neil Danaher's Big Freeze at the MCG yesterday was the
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Speaker 2: most successful yet, with the final fundraising Telly expected to
44:11
Speaker 2: top three million dollars. Celebrities and sporting stars dressed up
44:15
Speaker 2: to go down the famous slide, raising money to help
44:17
Speaker 2: find a cure for motor neuron disease, which affects more
44:20
Speaker 2: than two thousand Australians, including my friend Phil Camden. If
44:24
Speaker 2: you're watching, Phil, God bless you mate. Now joining me
44:27
Speaker 2: now is director of Cure Research and Programs at Fighting MND,
44:33
Speaker 2: Doctor Beck shean doctor. An amazing response from the public yesterday.
44:38
Speaker 2: Where's the research in terms of finding a cure for
44:41
Speaker 2: MND and how will the money raised yesterday be used?
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Speaker 7: Look, we as just so incredibly grateful for the support
44:49
Speaker 7: of the Australian community getting behind this clause year after year.
44:53
Speaker 7: We will have another game on Friday in Brisbane, so
44:55
Speaker 7: if you're in Brisbane, please get out and support again.
44:58
Speaker 7: We wouldn't be able to do this without the support
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Speaker 7: of the community.
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Speaker 1: And while there's.
45:01
Speaker 7: All the fun and excitement of the Big Freeze going on,
45:04
Speaker 7: my research team within fiightermin D are busily reviewing applications
45:08
Speaker 7: from researchers from all around the world so that we
45:10
Speaker 7: can make sure the funds we raise support the best
45:13
Speaker 7: research possible and we're really focus on improving the lives
45:17
Speaker 7: of people living with the disease.
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Speaker 2: Just give us an the idea of what it's like
45:21
Speaker 2: for people with MND currently.
45:26
Speaker 7: So a diagnosis of M and D is obviously very
45:29
Speaker 7: a very traumatic and horrible thing to have to go through.
45:33
Speaker 7: You know, the over two thousands of Australians living with
45:36
Speaker 7: M and D. Two people diagnosed every day and two
45:38
Speaker 7: people will die from M and D every day and
45:41
Speaker 7: it's very fast progressing diseases as well, so on average
45:45
Speaker 7: life expectancy of someone from diagnosis is just twenty seven months.
45:49
Speaker 7: And really looking back ten years ago before this campaign started,
45:52
Speaker 7: there really was a very little hope for the people
45:54
Speaker 7: who were diagnosed. There was no access to trials, there
45:58
Speaker 7: was not a lot of research in the park, just
46:00
Speaker 7: no funding to really fuel that research. But what people
46:03
Speaker 7: with the community have now thanks to the support of
46:06
Speaker 7: campaigns like this and raising the awareness is you know,
46:09
Speaker 7: seeing those blue beanies out there, people who are diagnosed
46:12
Speaker 7: can feel like they're not alone in the diagnosis and
46:14
Speaker 7: they have the whole community behind them supporting them in
46:17
Speaker 7: this fight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the support is quite remarkable. But in terms
46:22
Speaker 2: of the research, where's that currently at and how close
46:26
Speaker 2: are we to finding a cure for this disease.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's an incredibly complex disease. You know, it's been
46:32
Speaker 7: around for over one hundred and fifty years and what
46:35
Speaker 7: we've really seen in the last thirty years is a
46:37
Speaker 7: couple of big discoveries, so the first gene link to
46:40
Speaker 7: M and D and then in the last ten years
46:43
Speaker 7: just a huge exponential growth in the research progress here
46:46
Speaker 7: in Australia. What we've seen is that with this campaign
46:49
Speaker 7: we've been able to fund clinical trials and bring clinical
46:52
Speaker 7: trials to Australia and also a pipeline of potential new
46:55
Speaker 7: therapists as well. So while we don't have a new
46:58
Speaker 7: treatment yet, we have the potential of a new treatment.
47:01
Speaker 7: We have a lot of potential treatment in the pipeline
47:03
Speaker 7: and there's that real hope that we will get there.
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Speaker 2: Now of course, Neil Denaher, the Essendon AFL champion, and
47:11
Speaker 2: his family have shown incredible strength during Neil's own battle
47:15
Speaker 2: with this disease. What's it been like working with him,
47:18
Speaker 2: because of course he's really turned the focus from himself
47:22
Speaker 2: to trying to help everybody else. I imagine it's very
47:25
Speaker 2: inspiring to work alongside someone like Neil Denaher.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Neil and really the whole down of her family
47:32
Speaker 7: are incredibly inspiring. I mean when you're given that diagnosis
47:35
Speaker 7: of just twenty seven months to choose to then spend
47:39
Speaker 7: that time raising money, raising awareness, you know, traveling all
47:42
Speaker 7: across Australia to promote the work that Fight MED is doing,
47:46
Speaker 7: rather than just spending that time with your family. It's
47:49
Speaker 7: so selfless. And we've been lucky with Neil that he
47:52
Speaker 7: has a form of M and D that's a lot
47:54
Speaker 7: slower progressing than the average person with M and D,
47:57
Speaker 7: so lucky to have Neil with us for ten years.
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Speaker 7: Is in the fight. But it's really not just Neil
48:03
Speaker 7: but every person throughout Australia with M and D who
48:06
Speaker 7: chooses to raise money in their community to really help
48:11
Speaker 7: drive that research, because you know, to make that choice
48:14
Speaker 7: to spend that time joining that fight and helping others.
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Speaker 7: It's just incredible and inspiring to see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is the thing that inspires everybody.
48:23
Speaker 2: I mean, it's raising awareness regarding this disease, but I
48:26
Speaker 2: think everyone else is just encouraged seeing someone who's got
48:29
Speaker 2: a massive fight on his own but has determined to
48:34
Speaker 2: turn his attention to other people and help them. It's
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Speaker 2: just a great life lesson for all this doctor Bekshin,
48:39
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Well that's it
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Speaker 2: from me. I'll see you tomorrow night at seven o'clock,
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Speaker 2: but stick around. Coming right up now is Sharry Markson.