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Ep. 39: Is Week 10 a "Statement Game?" | Jags A.M. Podcast · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars are back in the building getting ready for Week
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Speaker 1: ten against the forty nine ers. You guys, what are
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Speaker 1: your biggest concerns for Sunday.
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Speaker 2: They got to help me.
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Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, He's gonna see who I think is the
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Speaker 3: best pass rusher in the league. Nick Bosa all day long.
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Speaker 2: Christ McCaffrey and Devis Andel.
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Speaker 1: Welcomeing to Jack's Am on this Wednesday. Kennannie Stevens, Brian Sexton,
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Speaker 1: John Oser. We're getting ready to kind of deep dive
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Speaker 1: into the forty nine ers because we've had the week
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Speaker 1: off where we're fresh now, so we're ready to get
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Speaker 1: talking about things. And you mentioned a couple of the
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Speaker 1: big names on this team. There are stars all over
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Speaker 1: the board.
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Speaker 3: On this team. You know, this defensive line already had
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Speaker 3: two hundred and two million guaranteed dollars dedicated to it.
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Speaker 3: Nick Bosa, Javon Hargrave, through they grabbed in free agency
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Speaker 3: last year from Philadelphia and Eric Armstead who was divorced
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Speaker 3: Buckner's running made at Oregon. And then they added Chase Young,
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Speaker 3: who is a very productive pass rusher at least this
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Speaker 3: year when he's been healthy. Holy Cole, I mean, you
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Speaker 3: got to protect the quarterback this week. You got to
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Speaker 3: give him enough time to be able to turn and
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Speaker 3: hit his hot read because they never stopped coming.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Forts pass rush has not been what
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Speaker 4: they expected. It's why they added Chase Young. It's been
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Speaker 4: good at the spots, but sort of like the Jags,
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Speaker 4: they get pressure but haven't gotten a whole lot of sacks.
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Speaker 4: You know, Chris McCaffrey and Davis Samuel and that offense
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Speaker 4: went is or George Kettle either one. Yes, they are
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Speaker 4: very good when they're right. They hadn't been right right
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Speaker 4: before the bye because of some injuries. There are some
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Speaker 4: other issues pressure and Brockbird.
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Speaker 1: And some time to get healthy because they're coming off
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Speaker 1: of buye as well. So that's always helpful for both
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Speaker 1: teams coming into this one. We're gonna see the best
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Speaker 1: of the best.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to our big things. Our first big thing
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Speaker 1: this week is going to be plus minus. We know
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are good at takeaways, but they also turned
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Speaker 1: the ball over a little bit. They've been able to
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Speaker 1: deal with that the last couple of games, turning the
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Speaker 1: ball over a lot, but also winning San Francisco forty
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Speaker 1: nine ers have not had that luxury. They've been turning
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Speaker 1: the ball over and losing Brian. I mean, kind of
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Speaker 1: interesting how the two parallels.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of that is the quarterback plays.
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Speaker 3: I think, so Rock Perdy is a good quarterback when
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Speaker 3: he has the lead, and this defense is playing well.
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Speaker 3: The last three weeks, they've only averaged seventeen points, and
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Speaker 3: they haven't had the ball very much and they haven't
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Speaker 3: had a lead, and he struggled. Now he also suffered
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Speaker 3: a concussion and has been working his way back from that.
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different factors going in. The
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Speaker 3: Jaguars lead the league kai with eighteen takeaways, but they
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Speaker 3: are tied for the second most giveaways with thirteen, and
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Speaker 3: in the last four wins they've turned the ball over
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Speaker 3: twice in each win. Well, that hasn't really killed them
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Speaker 3: against the Colts or the Saints or the Steelers. But again,
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Speaker 3: this team with all the talent George Kittle and the
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Speaker 3: running back and the receivers, and you forgot Brandon Aouk
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Speaker 3: who has really emerged over the last two seasons to
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Speaker 3: be a down the field threat. If you give Brock
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Speaker 3: Purty extra possessions or better field position, they're not going
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Speaker 3: to score seventeen points. They're coming off the bye week,
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Speaker 3: he's had his chance to rest. The turnover differential number,
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Speaker 3: to me, is going to be the indicator of who
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Speaker 3: wins this Bowl game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's key. It's remarkable.
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Speaker 4: The Jaguars have forced turnovers in seven of eight games,
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Speaker 4: forced multiple turnovers in six of eight, and then you
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Speaker 4: look at the offensive stats. I think they've turned the
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Speaker 4: ball over in seven of eight games. It's remarkable they
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Speaker 4: got through this five game winning streak, not only without losing.
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Speaker 4: That's what you do on the winning street, lose very often,
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Speaker 4: but without trailing. Considering that they were down in turnover
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Speaker 4: margin off the bat in Steelers game, Saints game, then
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Speaker 4: at least one other. It's really hard to do that.
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Speaker 4: It shows you how good they are, how well the
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Speaker 4: defense is playing. But it does cause you to operate
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Speaker 4: on edge. And I agree with this stretch coming up,
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Speaker 4: especially Sunday. They have to be more protective with the ball.
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Speaker 4: It's why Doug has talked about it as a theme
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Speaker 4: every time he's talked since the bystart.
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Speaker 3: But they've turned the ball over eight times in five wins.
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Speaker 3: But if you really look at it, they turn the
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Speaker 3: ball over twice in each of the last four games.
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Speaker 3: That is unsustainable. John mention, what's coming up. You've got
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Speaker 3: a Titans game coming up. You also have the Bengals
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Speaker 3: and you have the Redvents coming up. You've got to
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Speaker 3: turn that around.
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Speaker 1: Can't be handing out extra possessions. I agree with you, guys.
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Speaker 1: Our second big thing this week is going to be
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Speaker 1: great minds. We've seen some great coaching matchups so far
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Speaker 1: in the season, even though we're just eight games in
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Speaker 1: at this point. But Kyle Shanahan and Doug Peterson, those
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Speaker 1: are two of the best in the league. I'll speak
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Speaker 1: speak on that and say that, and for me, it's
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Speaker 1: a lot of their Dame adjustments, right. I feel like
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Speaker 1: these are coaches sometimes where you watch a game and
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Speaker 1: the haves look like two different games because they're able
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Speaker 1: to adjust to their opponents so quickly. John, it's it
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Speaker 1: must be difficult to go up against them and then
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Speaker 1: against each other.
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Speaker 4: Well, they're both great, great play callers. Both have been
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Speaker 4: in a Super Bowl Doug's one one, and you can
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Speaker 4: point to that ability as reasons their teams are good.
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Speaker 4: I always believe that they're you know, most coaches, most
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Speaker 4: oftense coordinators. If you put thirty two of them in
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Speaker 4: a bucket, there's twenty five of them that are sort
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Speaker 4: of well. I think these two guys are on the
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Speaker 4: top end of and I think they're both really good.
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Speaker 3: I think I've said it a couple of times on
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Speaker 3: the show. When the Niners are on, I want to
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Speaker 3: watch them because I think Kyle Shanahan does such an
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Speaker 3: amazing job with his personnel groupings. They're always interesting with
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Speaker 3: his motions and movement, and Doug Peterson is every bit
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Speaker 3: the coach. So this is a premier matchup for me
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Speaker 3: on Sunday. And I give you an example. In the
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Speaker 3: game against the Bengals two sundays ago before they're bye week,
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Speaker 3: there was a play where he Kyle Shanahan moved both
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Speaker 3: George Kittle and Greg Kittle both Yeah, both men, Greg Kettle,
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Speaker 3: George Kittle and CMC in the same direction. You just
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Speaker 3: watched the whole defense flow. It was never going back,
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Speaker 3: it was going back over here to Brandon Ayouka. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's just masterful how he dictates where he wants people
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Speaker 3: to be. And there are a few I think offensive
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Speaker 3: coordinators who can legitimately dictate play in and play out
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Speaker 3: to a defense. There are plenty of them that take
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Speaker 3: what a defense gives them. I think Shanahan and Doug
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Speaker 3: Peterson are right at the top of the list, with
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid. Maybe Reid is a notch above because he's
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Speaker 3: obviously the master. But wow, and one more thing. I
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Speaker 3: remember in nineteen ninety nine when the great Don Capers
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Speaker 3: was the defensive coordinator, asking him why the Broncos, because
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Speaker 3: Mike Shanahan, Kyle's father was the coach of the Broncos,
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Speaker 3: Why even without John Elway they were still able to
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Speaker 3: be so good? He says, doesn't matter when you've got
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Speaker 3: a coach that is so efficient with his personnel, groupings
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Speaker 3: and motion. He said, no one does it better than Shanahan.
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Speaker 3: And here his son is now. And by the way
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Speaker 3: that Shanahan tree is sprinkled throughout the league, there's a
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Speaker 3: half a dozen eight coaches from an offensive mindset who
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Speaker 3: come from the Shanahans, and you see it all over
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Speaker 3: the league.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a player's league, but with these kind
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Speaker 1: of coaches, you got to think they can swing things
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Speaker 1: with a couple wins, with the way that they're able
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Speaker 1: to coach and make adjustments when they lose players to
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Speaker 1: injury as well. I've seen the forty nine ers do
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Speaker 1: that time and time again. Our final big thing this
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Speaker 1: week is going to be about the coordinators, Mike and Steve.
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Speaker 1: That's coming down to, you know, Steve Wilkes, Mike Caldwell.
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Speaker 1: The defense is going to be a huge part of
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Speaker 1: this game. We talked about the pass rush maybe not
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Speaker 1: being quite where you know, some people want to be
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Speaker 1: at the team is very happy with it, but people
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Speaker 1: are always going to call for an extra pass rusher.
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Speaker 1: Corina Ims have kind of been dealing with that a
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Speaker 1: little bit as well, And Brian, I know you talked
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Speaker 1: about some of the money that's there. It's because they
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Speaker 1: expect a lot from their pass rush because they paid
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Speaker 1: for it.
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Speaker 2: They do.
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Speaker 3: They pay for it. But they also have guys like
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Speaker 3: Fred Warner, who you know, Jaguars Fins may or may
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Speaker 3: not be all that familiar with number fifty four for
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Speaker 3: the Niners. He's as good a linebacker as there is
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. John, I mean, he wrote from sideline
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Speaker 3: to sideline. They can bring him on the blitz though,
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Speaker 3: because they're so good upfront, they don't have to. He's
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Speaker 3: the guy who can drop into coverage with a wide receiver.
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Speaker 3: He is freaking terrific. And on the Jaguars side, they've
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Speaker 3: been getting so much from Mike Caldwell. I mean, he
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Speaker 3: has had this team playing above the x's and o's
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna have to on Sunday. They're going to
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Speaker 3: have to If it's gonna boil it down, it would
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Speaker 3: be do your job. I believe that Mike Caldwell has
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Speaker 3: proven that he puts guys in a position to be
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Speaker 3: successful on Sunday. But there's gonna be so much motion,
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Speaker 3: it's so much thought that is required. Just do your job,
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Speaker 3: do what Mike and his coaches have you lined up
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Speaker 3: to do, and that's gonna be your best chance for
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Speaker 3: success against the Niners.
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Speaker 2: For a couple of thoughts, one, I think if this
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Speaker 2: game had.
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Speaker 4: Been last year, when this Jaguars team was still learning
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Speaker 4: this defense, it'd been a lot of trouble because it
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Speaker 4: would have been.
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Speaker 2: They would have been thinking too much.
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Speaker 4: The motions and the things that the forty nine ers
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Speaker 4: do well to get you off balance would have really
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Speaker 4: fooled this team. The biggest change has been that things
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Speaker 4: like that don't fool this team.
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Speaker 2: Right now. It's an interesting I doubt the players talk
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Speaker 2: about it very much.
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Speaker 4: I know the coaches won't. But there's this perception, because
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Speaker 4: of Bosa, because of Chase Young, that forty nine ers
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Speaker 4: are a great defense than they are. But I don't
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Speaker 4: know that they're the best defense in this game. Because
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Speaker 4: the Jaguars have thirteen fourteen guys, maybe not the superstar,
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Speaker 4: maybe Josh is a superstar, Josh Allen. Beyond that, not
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Speaker 4: a lot of household names. I've got to think that
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of motivation for this defense. Not that
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not big into that. Oh, we're playing
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Speaker 4: these guys, but this week, this is a chance for
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Speaker 4: this defense to show a lot of people what they
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Speaker 4: already know they are.
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Speaker 2: Should be a good one. Stay with us.
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Speaker 2: And both of these teams.
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Speaker 1: Were active in the one a little more than the other,
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Speaker 1: I mean addressing concerns on their team for sure. The
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Speaker 1: Jaguars adding to the offensive line and forty nine Ers
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Speaker 1: adding to their pass rush. They're Chase Young heading from
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Speaker 1: Washington over to the forty nine Ers, and he's reuniting
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Speaker 1: with his college teammate Nick Bosa. He talked about that
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Speaker 1: to the media yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Nick Nick is here, you know, always been a big
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Speaker 5: brother to me. You've not Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 5: I'm just stepping in here for you know today, got
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Speaker 5: in here last week. I'm just a culture on the vibe.
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Speaker 5: It's a lot different, you know. I definitely know that
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna build with winners.
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Speaker 1: John Chase knows he's in the building with winners.
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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I I I think it's Chase. I don't
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Speaker 4: know Chase, but I always uh, I was amused a
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Speaker 4: few years ago, Brian, when Jalen Ramsey and Unika Gokway
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Speaker 4: left and talked about it's great to be out of there.
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Speaker 2: I always I always sort of think a.
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Speaker 4: Franchise player, Uh, if you are a franchise player, you
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Speaker 4: can lift a franchise. Maybe that's the old get off
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Speaker 4: my lawn, Brian, But that's just sort of when I
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Speaker 4: hear that. Again, not not gonna Chase. I don't know him, uh,
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Speaker 4: but I always just kind of wish that players could.
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Speaker 2: Raise the franchise were with.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it's the nineteen seventies football guy.
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Speaker 1: I think there're gonna be something to be said for
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Speaker 1: maybe a change of atmosphere. But like when you're immediately
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Speaker 1: contributing it to the culture, Like maybe it's a change
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Speaker 1: and it's good change for you, that doesn't necessarily mean
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Speaker 1: it's a bad culture.
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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know Chase either, do respect there were
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Speaker 3: a lot of chaotic moments over the last few years
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Speaker 3: with that franchise. Sure, but pass rusher is a premier position.
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Speaker 3: Everybody wants more pass rush and here's a guy who
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Speaker 3: was a top pick who has worked his way back
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Speaker 3: from injury, and I think he has five and a
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Speaker 3: half sacks for the Redskins Commanders. That was one of
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Speaker 3: the chaotic moments. And they let him go right for
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Speaker 3: a third round pick. They have just traded Montese Wet
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Speaker 3: for a second and now they let this guy go.
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Speaker 3: So teams that want pass rush they trade both their
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Speaker 3: pass rushers.
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Speaker 2: It makes me question, right, why is this on sales?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Why are you giving this away?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: For the Niners, a third round pick isn't too much
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Speaker 3: for a guy. They are also playing with brock Perty's
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Speaker 3: rookie quarterback contract, so they've got forty fifty million bucks
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Speaker 3: under the cap this year, let alone next year because
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Speaker 3: they're not paying a quarterback. So maybe they can make
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Speaker 3: it work and make it fit within their soutary structure,
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Speaker 3: or maybe they figure just a rental. We're just trying
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Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl this year.
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Speaker 4: For the Niners, it's house money if you get four
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Speaker 4: sacks out of him for a you know, four or
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Speaker 4: five sacks for a third round pick. But yeah, for
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Speaker 4: Chase Young, I've got to think there's you know, most
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Speaker 4: people follow the league sort of at arm's length, meaning
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Speaker 4: now Chase Young, who was the number one pick, now
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Speaker 4: he's a.
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Speaker 2: Third round guy in people's eyes.
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Speaker 4: He'll be motivated to prove he's not a third round
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Speaker 4: guy because he's not a third round talent without question.
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Speaker 4: So for him now, chance to rebuild, you know, I guess,
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Speaker 4: rebuild the image, rebuild the career.
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Speaker 3: In this app they should get production from him because,
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Speaker 3: as I said off the top, when you watch the tape,
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Speaker 3: you just see nick Bosa flashing all over. He is relentless.
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Speaker 3: Two years ago here Jawan Taylor man Juwan was living
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Speaker 3: in Trevor's lap the whole game trying to keep the
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Speaker 3: quarterback upright because Bosha was pushing so hard. When you've
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Speaker 3: got that, you've got a slide protection over to help
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Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, which means Chay Shung's going to get some
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Speaker 3: one on one opportunities, and he's a talented guy. Cam
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Speaker 3: Robinson's going to have his hands full on today. They're
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Speaker 3: going to get some production from him and they'll get
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Speaker 3: a first hand look at what kind of a person
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Speaker 3: he is and whether he's a guy they want to
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Speaker 3: be part of their culture, and they can afford it. Again,
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Speaker 3: they're working with a rookie quarterback contract next year and
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Speaker 3: they don't have to worry about paying it now.
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Speaker 2: Let's make the mistake when I said third round at
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Speaker 2: when he's right, he's really good. He's really good.
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Speaker 4: So if they're getting the right version, they have on
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Speaker 4: paper the most talented pass rush tandem in the league.
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Speaker 3: It's the right circumstances, right, But they only have two
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Speaker 3: more sacks than the Jaguars. Too. Were talking about the
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Speaker 3: Jaguars and how they haven't gotten that number that they'd
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Speaker 3: like to be at. Well, for all the money they've
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Speaker 3: spent and all the talent they've got on their defensive line,
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Speaker 3: John mentioned earlier, they won't. They have eighteen sacks for
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Speaker 3: the season. They have not gotten home. But that, as
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Speaker 3: we've seen from the Jaguars, they create enough havoc in
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Speaker 3: your backfield that the quarterback, at least Joe Burrow was
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Speaker 3: constantly having to make quick decisions in that Bengals game.
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Speaker 3: And Burrow is really good at it, so was this guy.
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Speaker 3: You've got to give him enough time and the receivers
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Speaker 3: have to have their heads turned around and understand I'm
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Speaker 3: a hot route. I've got to be ready to catch
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Speaker 3: the ball.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One final thought, talking to jet I mean talking
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Speaker 2: to forty nine ers.
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Speaker 4: Media they don't necessarily think they've gotten enough pressure and
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Speaker 4: that there have been times where the quarterbacks had too
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Speaker 4: much time to throw. I think the Jaguars, for the
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Speaker 4: most part, I haven't gotten that feeling. So it'll be
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Speaker 4: interesting to see if Chase Young gives them that element.
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Speaker 4: I think that could be a place where if he doesn't,
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Speaker 4: Jaguars a third down will be key on some One.
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Speaker 3: Thing to keep in mind as that Bossy was going
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Speaker 3: for all of camp and then he's just getting up
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Speaker 3: to speed. He's just had the bye week, so I
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Speaker 3: would expect that they'll come with everything this Sunday and
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Speaker 3: he'll be more ready to.
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Speaker 1: Rush the passer and Chase making his debut because he
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Speaker 1: was there for the bye week as well, So we'll
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Speaker 1: see how that goes for them. Our audition at the
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Speaker 1: trade deadline was sharing up the offensive line. We heard
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Speaker 1: from Doug talking about this earlier this week about what
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Speaker 1: he saw on why they added to the offensive line depth.
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Speaker 6: You know, anytime that you can add you can add depth,
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Speaker 6: you can add value, you can add a talent like
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Speaker 6: Ezra to the offensive line really at any position. You know,
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Speaker 6: it's something that that Trent and I and the guys
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Speaker 6: looked at you know hard, you know, definitely a lot
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Speaker 6: of different scenarios out there. You look at you look
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Speaker 6: at pass rushers, you know, maybe even defensive backs, and
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Speaker 6: you look at o'lignement, and obviously Ezra is somebody that
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Speaker 6: can come in and really provide the necessary you know, uh,
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Speaker 6: backup guard, very capable, smart, talented, you know, left guard
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Speaker 6: and you know, he played some right guard his rookie year.
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Speaker 6: He had been been primarily left guard since and just
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Speaker 6: a good value for us and and really solidifies an
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Speaker 6: offensive line that you know, is already pretty good.
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Speaker 1: John Doug Peterson was very emphatic that Walker Little is
17:16
Speaker 1: a starter on this team and that Azra Cleveland was
17:18
Speaker 1: brought in as a backup wherever he's going to be
17:21
Speaker 1: needed on the line. Is this going to be an
17:24
Speaker 1: issue where we're getting stockpiled in a certain you know,
17:27
Speaker 1: everybody wants to play left tackle situation? Or is this
17:29
Speaker 1: going to work out?
17:30
Speaker 4: Okay at the end of the day, Well, everybody might
17:32
Speaker 4: want to play left tackle, get to play left tackle. Yeah,
17:34
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm sure Walker Little, in his heart
17:37
Speaker 4: of hearts, would like to play left tackle.
17:39
Speaker 2: It's what he is that that's.
17:41
Speaker 4: What he's grown up with. But I also think he'll
17:43
Speaker 4: be fine at left guard. Look, I think I wasn't
17:47
Speaker 4: sure what they would do. I wasn't sure is Ezra
17:49
Speaker 4: Cleveland being brought in because they feel like they can
17:51
Speaker 4: be a better out run.
17:52
Speaker 2: Blocking team on the interior.
17:54
Speaker 4: But as Doug said, when they played together, meaning Walker
17:57
Speaker 4: Little and Cam Robinson on the left side.
17:59
Speaker 2: In Buffalo for that what snaps, it looked very good.
18:04
Speaker 4: I think overall, it's what Brian's alluded to, meaning there's
18:10
Speaker 4: something about the future here that Ezra Cleveland can be
18:13
Speaker 4: a piece moving forward.
18:15
Speaker 2: Also, I keep going back. People love to play depth
18:19
Speaker 2: chart football. I call it meaning when.
18:22
Speaker 4: A trade's made, like they say, well, this guy's gonna
18:24
Speaker 4: start here, and start here, and start here. Depth chart
18:27
Speaker 4: football often doesn't play out on the real field, meaning
18:31
Speaker 4: you have injuries, you have things that happened, particularly injuries. Well,
18:37
Speaker 4: last year we saw it. The Jaguars don't make their
18:40
Speaker 4: run unless they have seven or eight good offensive lineman.
18:43
Speaker 2: Last year, I.
18:44
Speaker 4: Think they felt like they needed to get seven or
18:47
Speaker 4: eight good offensive lineman that they can trust going down
18:49
Speaker 4: the stretch. I feel like that made them a little nervous,
18:53
Speaker 4: not feeling like they had that on the interior and
18:56
Speaker 4: the offensive line.
18:57
Speaker 3: I don't know how it happened, but I saw a
18:58
Speaker 3: lot of Minnesota Vikings book early in the season, and
19:01
Speaker 3: I remember hearing and reading about Cleveland. So when they
19:04
Speaker 3: traded for him, I wasn't surprised because my understanding is
19:08
Speaker 3: is he's a pretty good football player. I also know
19:11
Speaker 3: that he's on the rest of this year as a contract,
19:13
Speaker 3: and then he's a free agent next year. But I
19:15
Speaker 3: always saw this as a long term play, right, and
19:18
Speaker 3: John just made the case for the short term because
19:19
Speaker 3: you need bodies, and they do. Brandon Sherriff's been playing
19:22
Speaker 3: with an ankle that has has hindered him, and Tyler
19:24
Speaker 3: Shatley hasn't shown good movement and you need another body
19:28
Speaker 3: this year. But Trent Balkey, he treats draft picks or
19:33
Speaker 3: like their gold to balloons, right. He parts with him
19:36
Speaker 3: like their manhole covers. They're heavy and laborious. He doesn't
19:39
Speaker 3: want to do it. He understands the value of them.
19:42
Speaker 3: So my expectation is is that they'll get him lined
19:45
Speaker 3: up for next year with a contract and that he
19:47
Speaker 3: will be the starting left guard going forward. Me just
19:51
Speaker 3: looking at the salary cap numbers with Cam and Walker
19:53
Speaker 3: and understanding Walker is, you know, probably the left tackle
19:56
Speaker 3: of the long term future. Here, I would say that
19:58
Speaker 3: Cleveland is going to be the starting left guard next year.
20:01
Speaker 3: Just a projection on my part, but you know you
20:03
Speaker 3: can kind of see where it fits makes sense.
20:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll see depending on Walker Little's status this
20:09
Speaker 1: week as well, whether we'll see as we're Cleveland in
20:11
Speaker 1: there or not, because Walker's been battling that knee injury.
20:14
Speaker 1: So stay with us. We're going to come back and
20:16
Speaker 1: go over this or that what we're looking at. For
20:17
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Speaker 1: we look and try to compare a couple of things, Brian,
21:00
Speaker 1: when are you comparing this week?
21:01
Speaker 2: Or when do you this or that? As well?
21:03
Speaker 3: Look with the idea that this should be the Sunday
21:06
Speaker 3: night game, I'll get pushed back on Shohn from that,
21:08
Speaker 3: maybe because one o'clock games are much easier, But they
21:12
Speaker 3: should be the Sunday night game. It is a market matchup,
21:15
Speaker 3: maybe the market matchup of the weekend for the NFL.
21:18
Speaker 3: You know, two teams five and three, six and two
21:20
Speaker 3: coming off thereby San Francisco, Trevor Lawrence. You could easily
21:25
Speaker 3: move this to Sunday night football. It would not have
21:27
Speaker 3: been an issue. However, is this a big statement game
21:31
Speaker 3: for the Jaguars or is it just the next game
21:33
Speaker 3: on the schedule. It happens to be against the NFC opponent.
21:37
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this ironically, because I didn't know
21:39
Speaker 2: this was do this or that.
21:43
Speaker 4: Your first anting is to say it's the next one,
21:46
Speaker 4: because the next two after this are actually much more important.
21:50
Speaker 2: I mean, you got Tennessee and the Texan's coming up.
21:53
Speaker 4: If you lose this one and win those two, you're
21:55
Speaker 4: still in great shape in the division, and probably in
21:57
Speaker 4: better shape than if you lose this one. I mean,
21:59
Speaker 4: then if you this wan I lose one of those.
22:01
Speaker 4: But there is something playing at home, playing against a
22:07
Speaker 4: really good team. They haven't won one of these with
22:13
Speaker 4: this kind of film. Maybe Dallas last year at home
22:16
Speaker 4: against a really good team they lost to the Chiefs
22:18
Speaker 4: earlier this year.
22:20
Speaker 2: Beating a team like.
22:21
Speaker 4: That at home and sort of walking off that field
22:24
Speaker 4: with your fans showing them what you know you are
22:30
Speaker 4: feels big, but it's not tragic if they lose. And
22:35
Speaker 4: I'm on both sides of the fence there, but that's
22:37
Speaker 4: kind of how I see it.
22:38
Speaker 1: I think it would be a big statement, excuse me,
22:40
Speaker 1: a big statement game in terms of nationally right, because
22:43
Speaker 1: it's the forty nine ers, it's a name, and as
22:46
Speaker 1: we know, a lot of people don't follow Jacksonville around
22:48
Speaker 1: the league if you're watching it from a national landscape.
22:50
Speaker 1: So if you can get a win, and specifically, if
22:52
Speaker 1: you can get a performance out of Trevor Lawrence where
22:54
Speaker 1: he throws a couple of touchdowns.
22:55
Speaker 2: I can do a lot for you.
22:56
Speaker 1: Whether I think that's a big deal or not, I
22:58
Speaker 1: mean up to you whether you want that national recognition,
23:00
Speaker 1: But I think performing well against the forty nine ers
23:03
Speaker 1: might get you that.
23:03
Speaker 3: I just think you can only have so many statement games, right,
23:05
Speaker 3: And they had a statement game against the Chiefs, then
23:08
Speaker 3: they had a statement game against the Bills. They've got
23:11
Speaker 3: a statement game coming up against the Ravens and the Bengals.
23:13
Speaker 3: I just I see this as the next game.
23:15
Speaker 2: You're right.
23:16
Speaker 3: If they win this game, then it is somewhat of
23:19
Speaker 3: a statement. But for them, they've got to just be
23:21
Speaker 3: focused on this being the next game.
23:23
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
23:25
Speaker 4: I went with who's done a more pressure Taylor Caldwell,
23:28
Speaker 4: and I had to say to use the word pressure
23:31
Speaker 4: there just pressure every week or more stress. They didn't
23:36
Speaker 4: say pressure, that's it's stressed. Sort of the same thing.
23:39
Speaker 4: I would say that more stress this week, maybe a
23:45
Speaker 4: little Mike Caldwell.
23:48
Speaker 2: Because of having.
23:50
Speaker 4: To deal with McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel and everything that
23:54
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan brings. There's so many looks. Samuel can play
24:01
Speaker 4: running back or wide receiver. Christ McCaffer may running back
24:04
Speaker 4: all right, said there's so many things they can do
24:06
Speaker 4: at the stress level of trying to figure all that out,
24:11
Speaker 4: maybe a touch higher for Mike, but the press has
24:13
Speaker 4: to worry about that pass rush.
24:15
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna go to.
24:16
Speaker 3: You know, I went back and watched the last three
24:18
Speaker 3: Niners games, and they were all losses. And I know
24:22
Speaker 3: that the people in San Francisco don't think they're getting
24:24
Speaker 3: much of a pass rush, but I'm telling you that
24:26
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks for the three opponents were under pressure almost instantaneously.
24:32
Speaker 3: And Eric Armstead, if you're not familiar with him, was
24:35
Speaker 3: a teammate of Devorce Buckner from Indianapolis, both in San
24:38
Speaker 3: Francisco and in college in Oregon. He's equal to him
24:40
Speaker 3: in size, and he's equal to him in forest and
24:42
Speaker 3: Buckner was a game wrecker in those two games. So
24:45
Speaker 3: you've got a guy in the middle, two guys in
24:46
Speaker 3: the middle with hard Grave, now two guys on the outside.
24:49
Speaker 3: I say Phil Rauscher is the guy under the most pressure.
24:52
Speaker 3: But you know Phil, obviously working in tandem with Press Taylor,
24:56
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to score, obviously, and if you can't
24:58
Speaker 3: keep the quarterback upright for two seconds then and look,
25:03
Speaker 3: no disrespect to the Jaguars offensive line, but this is
25:07
Speaker 3: as difficult to match up as I think there is
25:09
Speaker 3: in the NFL. They're that good.
25:11
Speaker 1: I think for Press Taylor, it's going to be press
25:13
Speaker 1: tailor until it's not press tailor anymore, until you can
25:16
Speaker 1: get things totally figured out on offense. Mine is a
25:19
Speaker 1: little bit more niche, I guess, is what I would say,
25:21
Speaker 1: because we've been talking about Travis YTN getting fed the
25:23
Speaker 1: ball as much as he has, and we don't know
25:25
Speaker 1: if it's going to be consistent throughout the year. So
25:27
Speaker 1: my role is kind of like we've seen Diarras Johnson
25:30
Speaker 1: and what he's been able to do in very limited bursts.
25:32
Speaker 1: But should they try to include him a little bit
25:34
Speaker 1: more or should they really rely on Tank, who, as
25:36
Speaker 1: we know, has been having some rookie issues.
25:40
Speaker 2: Oh great, Ques, we're going well. I think the real
25:45
Speaker 2: answer is gonna be none of the above.
25:47
Speaker 1: They're just gonna keep Ridan Travis WN is fair, but.
25:49
Speaker 4: I think they want to have one of these guys
25:52
Speaker 4: share the workload. I think when it comes down to
25:56
Speaker 4: you're in the third quarter and you have a four
25:59
Speaker 4: point lead and you're third and three, or you have
26:01
Speaker 4: a big series you want to go with Darnest, you
26:06
Speaker 4: want to go with Tank, and you say, what.
26:08
Speaker 2: I really like Travis. It's not really good. I mean,
26:11
Speaker 2: it's not a knock on those guys.
26:12
Speaker 4: It's just that right now, Travis is you know, when
26:16
Speaker 4: you give him the ball, you probably feel better about
26:21
Speaker 4: the ball in his hands than anybody else on the
26:23
Speaker 4: offense right now outside Trevor Lawrence for making the play
26:27
Speaker 4: when you absolutely need it. And in the NFL, guess what,
26:30
Speaker 4: you usually need those plays because it's it's a game
26:33
Speaker 4: of you know.
26:34
Speaker 2: So i'd answer your question. I think they still stick
26:37
Speaker 2: with Tank.
26:38
Speaker 4: I think they're not as concerned about all these issues
26:42
Speaker 4: as the fans are because I think they feel like
26:46
Speaker 4: a couple of fumbles. It doesn't feel to me Brian
26:50
Speaker 4: like he's being loose with the ball. I don't think
26:51
Speaker 4: he's being careless. I think they're a little circumstantial.
26:55
Speaker 2: That's how they feel about it.
26:56
Speaker 3: Well, people should remember last year when Travis was a
26:59
Speaker 3: fumble problem, and I didn't think he was as careful
27:02
Speaker 3: with the football, especially not in the red zone in
27:03
Speaker 3: that game against the Giants. He had one against the
27:06
Speaker 3: Ravens where it was whoa hold on hold that ball came.
27:09
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel that way, bro doesn't all right.
27:11
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is is that Travis felt that way,
27:14
Speaker 3: but he worked his way through it, and now there
27:16
Speaker 3: isn't anybody that would question that you want the ball
27:18
Speaker 3: in his hands. I'm not worried about Tank. I think
27:21
Speaker 3: they'll they'll figure that one out. I'm gonna aswer a
27:23
Speaker 3: question by saying this. I think Tank is the guy
27:26
Speaker 3: that you want to get going because I think you
27:27
Speaker 3: want to use Travis because of his unique skill set.
27:31
Speaker 3: You can line him up in the slot, you can
27:32
Speaker 3: line him up wide. We saw the touchdown in Pittsburgh
27:35
Speaker 3: and what that did. I think if Tank is a
27:37
Speaker 3: guy who could become more of a feature back that
27:40
Speaker 3: you can put in the backfield, it will allow Press
27:43
Speaker 3: to be able to move Travis all over the place
27:46
Speaker 3: and even take even more advantage of his prodigious talent.
27:52
Speaker 4: I think Tank's in a little bit of a tough
27:54
Speaker 4: spot and it'll take a while to get to this point,
27:57
Speaker 4: But think about Travis this running game right now, they
28:01
Speaker 4: have a lot of short runs and a lot of
28:04
Speaker 4: Travis's effectiveness has been Okay, he gets twenty two to
28:07
Speaker 4: twenty three carries, four or five of them are huge plays,
28:10
Speaker 4: the other ones starting to get going. Well, Tank's only
28:15
Speaker 4: getting three or four or five carries, so you don't
28:18
Speaker 4: have as many opportunities.
28:20
Speaker 2: Tank has a lot of short runs.
28:21
Speaker 4: He hasn't had a chance to get to the long
28:23
Speaker 4: ones the way Travis has. So I think that if
28:27
Speaker 4: something would happen to Travis, he wasn't able to play.
28:31
Speaker 4: Give Tank a whole game, and I think it's at
28:34
Speaker 4: some point you're gonna see a little bit of a
28:36
Speaker 4: different runner than you've already seen.
28:38
Speaker 1: I think we talked a lot about the coaching staff
28:40
Speaker 1: having confidence in him too, which is great to see.
28:41
Speaker 1: But when you're only getting a couple carries and you're
28:44
Speaker 1: having issues like that, it's hard to keep your own
28:46
Speaker 1: confidence in yourself, right, So that's a mental game you
28:48
Speaker 1: probably have to play with that and the roles that
28:50
Speaker 1: they're doing with the running backs as well. All right,
28:53
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28:54
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29:43
Speaker 1: Things are gonna be normal here in the Miller Electric Center,
29:45
Speaker 1: talking to Doug Terbor. Lawrence is gonna speak to us,
29:48
Speaker 1: and it's the first time we talked to them since
29:49
Speaker 1: before the bye week, so kind of get back on
29:52
Speaker 1: track with everything. I'm looking forward to kind of seeing
29:54
Speaker 1: where everybody's at with the injury process because there's a
29:56
Speaker 1: bunch of names out there that we missed in that
29:58
Speaker 1: last game against Pittsburgh that are hopefully to be available
30:00
Speaker 1: in this one. What are you guys kind of looking
30:02
Speaker 1: forward to this week or looking to try to figure out.
30:04
Speaker 2: The same thing.
30:05
Speaker 4: I expect him to be mostly healthy on Sunday, with
30:07
Speaker 4: Zay Jones being the big question mark, I'd be kind
30:09
Speaker 4: of surprised if he plays. Just listen to the tone
30:11
Speaker 4: of Doug on Monday. But I hope I'm wrong, right,
30:15
Speaker 4: I hope you are too. I'm going to talk to Nickolts,
30:17
Speaker 4: the passing game coordinator who replaced.
30:23
Speaker 2: Bob Cooter, thea you're looking for.
30:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the names today. Anyway, He's a guy that
30:28
Speaker 3: I haven't really spoken to yet, and the passing game
30:30
Speaker 3: is obviously going to be a big part of Sunday
30:32
Speaker 3: and protecting quarterbacks. So looking forward to getting to know
30:34
Speaker 3: him a little bit.
30:35
Speaker 1: Perfect. All right, we'll recap all you guys on everything
30:37
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning on Jagsam. We'll see then,