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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, June 16 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with j P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts
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Speaker 1: right now. Welcome in to the Huddle Up Podcast. Today
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Speaker 1: is Wednesday, June j P. Shadrick, John Osier and Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: The Week of Bucky continues and the off season program
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Speaker 1: is complete. Bucky, you're still here? Hello, hey man, what's
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Speaker 1: going on? Look? Look, it's it's a it's a big
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Speaker 1: time for me. I'm coming in and I think Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence waved at me on the way out. I actually
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Speaker 1: got a chance to get close enough to to see him.
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Speaker 1: He's a Sydney Jones in the car. Hey, Buck, he said,
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Speaker 1: you didn't flag him down and do an interview. You
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Speaker 1: got even recognize anything. He's like the mayor of the
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Speaker 1: I mean, the red carpet is still out apparently for
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks here. If the quarterbacks waving at you, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty good. And it's a smart move introducing Bucky last
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Speaker 1: because we found out during the break he likes that.
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Speaker 1: That's true. Before we started recording today, we had this
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Speaker 1: basketball conversation. Yeah, and your question was, you know when
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Speaker 1: you foreshadowed what happened to? You want to how you
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Speaker 1: want to be introduced? You want to do you were last?
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Speaker 1: You were a star? I when I played basketball, was
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Speaker 1: just happy to be introduced, right, So hoping to still
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Speaker 1: be inta because if you're not sit on the bench. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's the fun part of it, right, The
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Speaker 1: fun part is to be last. Dap everybody up before
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Speaker 1: you go. I don't know. Actually, if you go over
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Speaker 1: and did you throw the powder in the air like
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Speaker 1: Lebron do all that? I would have. I would have.
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Speaker 1: I would have. I would have. The eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: me would be all about that. Now, the crusty old
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Speaker 1: man I would be like, come on, man, let's go
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Speaker 1: put the ball down and get the ball to the rep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he's doing it. But I like that. I like that.
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Speaker 1: I like that. Like I don't mind a little I
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Speaker 1: don't mind a little showtime every now and then you
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Speaker 1: can back it up. That's right. You better be able
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Speaker 1: and a comment. Let's start with the quarterbacks performance this week.
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Speaker 1: We were out there Monday and Tuesday, but especially Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: the final day of work. There was a period where
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Speaker 1: they were playing in the red zone or right around
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Speaker 1: the edge of the fringe there the red zone where
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Speaker 1: I think it was three throws in a row or
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Speaker 1: three out of five somewhere in that ballpark that we're
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Speaker 1: just beautiful, different type of throws, all on the money.
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Speaker 1: And it reminded you why Trevor Lawrence is who he is,
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Speaker 1: because he's brought in a quarterback competition every day because
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been named the started yet, so Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: has to make sure that when he follows Garner, miss
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Speaker 1: you who had a successful drive prior to that. I
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Speaker 1: must say John foreshadowed the complet issue with a little
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Speaker 1: commentary on the practice, calling it a conpetition, called it
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Speaker 1: a competition because going to missue led the team the
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Speaker 1: offense down the field. He even called a little half
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Speaker 1: back throwback pass and threw a little dime for a touchdown.
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Speaker 1: So Trevor Lawrence says, all this pressure and then Trevor said, oh,
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Speaker 1: hold on, this is why I'm number one. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that I mean, I mean, I think sometimes you
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Speaker 1: got the issue remind you just to let him know,
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Speaker 1: because you just don't know what um the guy previous
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Speaker 1: known as the mullet Man, have been doing. He came
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Speaker 1: up with a little confidence in bravado, kind of hustled
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Speaker 1: off the field. Maybe Trevor was like, hold, let me
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Speaker 1: let me quill this down a little bit. Let me
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Speaker 1: sure he's going to be the guy. I do kind
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Speaker 1: of wonder if I'm sure the competitive juices flowed a
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Speaker 1: little bit. I think, I mean, it looked like there
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Speaker 1: was adrenaline. I worry about making too much of it,
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Speaker 1: but I thought that that Tuesday performance was the first
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Speaker 1: time that we had really seen JP him look like
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Speaker 1: the part. And I wasn't particularly worried that we hadn't
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Speaker 1: looked like it, or or that we hadn't seen it.
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Speaker 1: But it gave you a tremendous feeling of Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is what we've been talking about. We've been talking about it,
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Speaker 1: and I've been asking Bucky's he can't miss, and we've
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Speaker 1: had all these conversations. But until you actually see it
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you don't really know. Part of that, too,
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Speaker 1: is we've only been out one practice a week, and
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Speaker 1: we've been told other practices have looked close to that,
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Speaker 1: but we have we haven't physically seen that with our
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Speaker 1: own two eyes yet until Tuesday, But I wonder if maybe,
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Speaker 1: and again I hesitate to make too much out of it,
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Speaker 1: but there's moments where all of a sudden, things start
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Speaker 1: to click for a guy, and you know, usually you're
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Speaker 1: talking about it any guy's second year. You know it's
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Speaker 1: but he looked really comfortable during these moments, and he
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Speaker 1: hadn't looked like that in the five leading up to that.
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Speaker 1: So you just wonder if that was starting to get
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Speaker 1: what they were talking about, starting to see it quick,
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Speaker 1: or and just said Okay, I'm gonna flame it the
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Speaker 1: hamstrings feeling fine to it. Oh yeah, it seems like
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Speaker 1: I think a couple of things took place. One, the
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Speaker 1: energy of the practice was outstanding. It was a competitive period.
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Speaker 1: I think you've felt the defense kind of barking a
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Speaker 1: little bit, the offense was getting a going. We saw
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Speaker 1: DJ Chark catch a couple of touchdowns and kind of
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Speaker 1: get animated. I think that's contagious, and we can talk
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Speaker 1: about going to mention whether he may see him as
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Speaker 1: a credible threat or not. But when guys started making
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Speaker 1: plays it does become a little contagious, a little infection,
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Speaker 1: and he responds to that and produces. In that situation,
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Speaker 1: some guys respond to it and they thought pick six. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so yeah, he's dropping dives and that I don't care.
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Speaker 1: That throw down the seam on the slot fade where
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Speaker 1: the slot is on the inside, he kind of widens
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Speaker 1: out in the dB is hanging right in his hip pocket.
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Speaker 1: He throws it right off his ear. He felt it
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Speaker 1: through his back. I mean, I mean that that is
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Speaker 1: is an un alievable throw. And I don't know if
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Speaker 1: like Doorset just didn't see it to the last second
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Speaker 1: or play for whatever, but it worked out. And what
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Speaker 1: happens is you talk about us being odd, but what
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Speaker 1: happens from a player's standpoint, guys on the team begin
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Speaker 1: to recognize and they start kind of doing a little
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Speaker 1: elple thing like hey man, you see they started walking
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Speaker 1: off after practice and the kids walking seven or eight
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Speaker 1: feet in front of them, and they're going, that's pretty good. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They started doing that because because even though he comes
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Speaker 1: in as the number one, number one overall, the one
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Speaker 1: thing that he has to do is players game recognize
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Speaker 1: his game. Big time players begin to recognize other guys
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Speaker 1: have special qualities. And we've heard it because Griffin talked
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Speaker 1: about us, some other players talked about the weight the
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Speaker 1: ball spins. But then when they begin to see it
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Speaker 1: happen in competitive periods, that's what you have. And really
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Speaker 1: the definition of a quarterback, a franchise quarterback is does
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Speaker 1: he give you hope? Do you feel like if we're
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Speaker 1: in a game, if we can just get a stop
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Speaker 1: and give the ball back to Trevor, we have a chance.
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Speaker 1: He's beginning to kind of build that that trust with
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Speaker 1: his teammates where you have that and when that happens,
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Speaker 1: that's when when good things were gonna happen. And I
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Speaker 1: was impressive as well. You mentioned the one down the scene.
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Speaker 1: He had another within a pass or two of that,
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Speaker 1: coming towards us right side of the end zone. That
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Speaker 1: was a perfect pass thrown only where the receiver could
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Speaker 1: get it that he didn't have time to turn. It
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Speaker 1: was accuracy, timing feel for the route. There was another
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Speaker 1: one that got dropped on that side, I think, and
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Speaker 1: then there was another one earlier to the left. You're
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Speaker 1: talking about time, play after play where there's throws being
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Speaker 1: made that he's not thinking about he's reading it throwing
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Speaker 1: and it's happening in real time. It's it's June. But
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Speaker 1: there was a feeling that he was seeing it and
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Speaker 1: that those moments in practice had slowed down enough that
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Speaker 1: he could just play and that was j P. We've
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Speaker 1: seen not that. So it was cool to see that
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Speaker 1: because we've seen we heard about all the five interception
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Speaker 1: day for two of Donam. We've seen days similar to
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Speaker 1: that here on this practice. They hate to get too excited,
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Speaker 1: but you know, urban Meyer likes to talk about knowing
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Speaker 1: what it looks like, that's what it looks like, what
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to look like. So what's funny is coming
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Speaker 1: off of that UM at the end of the day
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Speaker 1: when Darren Bellbo was talking UH to me and he
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Speaker 1: was talking about like the quarterbacks and UH having a
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Speaker 1: plan for all three quarterbacks and throwing a bunch at
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Speaker 1: them and then pairing it down. We'll see the light
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Speaker 1: go off for Trevor when they get to the point
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Speaker 1: where they quit adding and then they allow him to play.
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Speaker 1: And how soon we get to that point, UM, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But when we get to that point where
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Speaker 1: they're a let's not install anymore, let's just let them
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Speaker 1: play and let his talent shine through. That's when we'll
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Speaker 1: see the Trevor Laurest that we saw at Clemson. So
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Speaker 1: let's step fine line between how much volume do we
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Speaker 1: need to be successful versus how much is just enough
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Speaker 1: to allow him to play fast, because when he plays
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Speaker 1: fast and free, that's when we'll see the talent. You
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Speaker 1: just don't want him to to bog him down with
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Speaker 1: a lot of thinking and JP. I think that that
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Speaker 1: when Bucky was saying that. And I'm not the guy
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Speaker 1: who's gonna sit here and just dump on what was
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Speaker 1: here before. But there hasn't been a guy at that
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Speaker 1: position where you heard that phrasing. Let's let him go
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Speaker 1: be special. Let's let his arm talent make a difference.
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Speaker 1: Three two quarterbacks in the league. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: many there are where you're saying, let's let the arm
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Speaker 1: talent make the difference. He can go win a game
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Speaker 1: based on what he can do with his arm. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Even good quarterbacks maybe don't have that. And that's that's exciting.
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Speaker 1: We've always heard about, oh, you know, he's not a
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Speaker 1: natural thrower of the football, or he's got to go
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Speaker 1: to a throwing coach in the off season, learn all
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Speaker 1: these things, and then that doesn't feel like this is
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Speaker 1: the case at all for sixteen. No, we categorize them.
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Speaker 1: There are two kinds of quarterbacks, their trucks and trailers.
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Speaker 1: Either their trucks where they're carrying the team or their
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Speaker 1: trailers where the team is carrying them. For too long
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, we've had trailers at quarterback. The team has
10:18
Speaker 1: to be right. Everything has to go perfectly. You gotta
10:21
Speaker 1: have the running game. Defense has to be able to
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Speaker 1: get stops, this and that. Oh, and then the quarterback
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Speaker 1: may be able to make a plate or two. In
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Speaker 1: a perfect world, you want to quarterback that's a truck.
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Speaker 1: He can carry the team. Everything is awful, but you
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Speaker 1: give it to sixteen, and sixteen finds a way to
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Speaker 1: make enough plays for the team to be in the game.
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Speaker 1: If you get a truck, that's when that's that's when
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Speaker 1: it happens. I use this analogy JP in in Indy.
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Speaker 1: I remember asking that Tony Dungy about the running game
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Speaker 1: one year, and Tony is the head coach, was very
10:52
Speaker 1: conscious of you know, big picture, uh say the right thing,
10:57
Speaker 1: And his point to me was, look as long as
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Speaker 1: we're six teenth or seventeenth and they're on. As long
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Speaker 1: as they think we're gonna run, it's fine. But if
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Speaker 1: we're running too much, we're taking the ball out of
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Speaker 1: the hands of the guy. Well, that's never really been
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Speaker 1: the case, you know, It's there really been a case
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Speaker 1: where you're like, we want to make sure and Indy
11:15
Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure that that passing offense had
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Speaker 1: enough opportunities to go win the game because they felt like,
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Speaker 1: if the balls in his hands thirty five times, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be five plays that were really great, that's enough
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Speaker 1: to win the game. That feels like what Bucky's talking,
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Speaker 1: you know, a truck, Well, that's what that means. It's look,
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Speaker 1: let's not worry about making sure we run twenty five times.
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Speaker 1: Let's make sure this kid has enough opportunities to go
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Speaker 1: win the game for us. And you know, I know
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Speaker 1: there's a quarterback competition and all that going on, but
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Speaker 1: I think there's a a huddle up podcast consensus of
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Speaker 1: who's leading and who might win that thing at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day. Well, it's just fund I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's fans who are listening to this. I want to
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Speaker 1: hear about Trevor and the overwhelming feeling I had was
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Speaker 1: those last two days or the first glimpse of of
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Speaker 1: the possibility that we've seen here. We all saw in college,
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Speaker 1: but that was the first time. And I think I
12:12
Speaker 1: haven't had to do with Bucky Brooks being here. Jake
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks way, but I've been parking lot he goes now.
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Speaker 1: But look, it is that And you always hear this
12:26
Speaker 1: when it comes to quarterbacks, young guys in particularly, you
12:29
Speaker 1: want to see them play the first year because there's
12:32
Speaker 1: some people to say like quarterbacks are like like baseball stadiums,
12:35
Speaker 1: baseball teams, like you want to kind of see how
12:38
Speaker 1: you have to play within the stadium before you fill
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Speaker 1: it out, figure out the pieces of the puzzle or whatever.
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Speaker 1: So when we see Trevor play and we see him
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Speaker 1: throw it or whatever year two, then is okay, what
12:47
Speaker 1: kind of weapons do we need to best compliment how
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Speaker 1: he plays? Do we need more speed receivers, more this,
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Speaker 1: or do we change the way that we have our
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Speaker 1: offensive line. I just think you have to be excited
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Speaker 1: because one thing that is real. He is a real dude,
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Speaker 1: and maybe for the first time, I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 1: in Francaise history they we've had a legitimate dude, like
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Speaker 1: like a legitimate guy, like a QB one that is
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Speaker 1: a real QB one and put that hammer down on
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Speaker 1: of those weapons, let's talk through some of those guys
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Speaker 1: that we've seen that are available. And let's start with
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Speaker 1: DJ Shark. Now, we heard Urban Meyer a few weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago now discuss h DJ's weight
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Speaker 1: room gains in the off season. He said he gained
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Speaker 1: about seven pounds of muscle. I talked to Anthony Schlegel today,
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Speaker 1: which is quite a conversation by the way, that you'll
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Speaker 1: hear on Jaguars Happy Our Thursday night. He said, it's
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Speaker 1: you know, seven to nine pounds of muscle and he's
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Speaker 1: much faster. And there were moments and you mentioned his
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Speaker 1: name earlier, Bucky yesterday or on Tuesday, Yeah, yesterday, that
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Speaker 1: chart just kind of took over things and that in
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Speaker 1: that wide receiver position. If that's the DJ Chark we
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Speaker 1: see in training camp and beyond, that's great news for
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Speaker 1: Trevor in the offense or whoever the quarterback is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's great. It's great news of DJ Chark
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Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago shows up as we
14:22
Speaker 1: were looking at this wide receiver corpsings and trying to
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Speaker 1: determine who is the number one? Um is DJ Chark
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Speaker 1: truly capable of being a real number one in that sense,
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Speaker 1: meaning he can anchor the passing game. He can command
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Speaker 1: double teams and defeat double teams with his talent. He
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Speaker 1: is the guy that we kind of set it around
14:41
Speaker 1: and then everyone else kind of feeds off of the
14:43
Speaker 1: way the defense reacts to him. The size thing is big.
14:47
Speaker 1: Urban has talked about being bigger, faster, stronger. We see
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Speaker 1: a bigger, thicker version. He has been challenged. Urban has
14:53
Speaker 1: challenged him to kind of step up and take his
14:55
Speaker 1: game up to another level. I think Marvin Jones coming
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Speaker 1: over also helps DJ because Marvin Jones is one of
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Speaker 1: the best route runners that you will see, and so
15:05
Speaker 1: if you're a guy, you're seeing that every day and
15:08
Speaker 1: seeing the artistry that Marvin Jones puts out, you begin
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Speaker 1: to add some of those things into your repertoire. So
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Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. I think he certainly
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Speaker 1: looked good. It looked like he was back on track. Now.
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Speaker 1: It's about putting the pieces of the poles together where
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Speaker 1: you get him and Marvin Jones and the Visca and
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Speaker 1: whoever else can kind of compliment those guys in the passing,
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Speaker 1: and then you've got DJ Chirpin after a touchdown catches me.
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Speaker 1: He's talking excited. I think you could be a one.
15:33
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a little bit of a
15:35
Speaker 1: rush among observers to give him that title after two
15:40
Speaker 1: thousand yea, And it was always impressive to me in
15:49
Speaker 1: that two thousand nineteen year. There are moments where he
15:53
Speaker 1: would take the ball on a cross and just kill
15:58
Speaker 1: that route, and he would catch the past in full stride.
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Speaker 1: He would snatch it hands out and play really fast
16:07
Speaker 1: across the metal, which is hard to do sometimes for guys,
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Speaker 1: and to me, it was it was on that route
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Speaker 1: that he looked Julio Jones is where look capable of
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Speaker 1: dominating a game, look capable of making plays where you went, wow,
16:22
Speaker 1: how's it? How's it? Evens gonna stop this guy. He
16:24
Speaker 1: also had some moments athletically that he did that that year,
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Speaker 1: and I think Bucky alluded to it and we talked
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Speaker 1: about on this podcast earlier. My question is when, when
16:33
Speaker 1: defenses now know that he's the guy, will he be
16:37
Speaker 1: able to produce the occasional hunter yard game. We can't
16:41
Speaker 1: stop this guy a moment. No receiver can always do that.
16:45
Speaker 1: It's not realistic in this is a an age. But
16:47
Speaker 1: can he get to that point where defenses have to
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Speaker 1: do things a certain way? It seems like you can.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's the main storyline around him this year,
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Speaker 1: and I think it'll define how he gets paid and
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Speaker 1: it will find how he's perceived as a receiver over
17:01
Speaker 1: the next to that four or five years in the
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Speaker 1: prime of his career. Yeah, it's it's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: So we're talked about bigger, faster, stronger, six eight we
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Speaker 1: came out for three. Four is the time that he
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Speaker 1: has down officially uh that big year he had over
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Speaker 1: a thousand yards consistent throughout his career, He's average about
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Speaker 1: thirteen five, which is solid solid production for number one.
17:21
Speaker 1: I think the big thing that we have to see
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Speaker 1: from him is not only Canny consistently get open. You
17:26
Speaker 1: talked about um the ability to use a speed receiver
17:29
Speaker 1: like Chark. You can use them on vertical routes, but
17:32
Speaker 1: also those crossers and deep diagonals. Because Brian Schottenheimer is
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Speaker 1: coming from Seattle, can they use him like Seattle use
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Speaker 1: a dk Metcalf who is a vertical playmaker, a Tyler Lockett.
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Speaker 1: Can they do enough of the running game to create
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Speaker 1: those explosive plays in the passing? And because I would
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Speaker 1: tell you thirteen five is fine, but it's not. Hey man,
17:56
Speaker 1: he's a big time threat. We need to make sure
17:58
Speaker 1: we want you're not getting that. I would like to
18:02
Speaker 1: see him push it up to fifteen. If you can
18:04
Speaker 1: get into fifteen, because that's that's Julio range. That means
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Speaker 1: you're delivering enough twenty plus forty plus yard past plays
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Speaker 1: where now you're taking the top off the defense they're
18:15
Speaker 1: having to back up, and now you have all the
18:17
Speaker 1: underneath stuff. It was nice to see Travis c Tn
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Speaker 1: making some plays on Tuesday. And we've always heard take
18:24
Speaker 1: a handoff, even without the work in many camp taking handoffs,
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Speaker 1: he can do it. It's it's amazing. He can take
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Speaker 1: the that he learned how to ride the bike again
18:34
Speaker 1: as a running back. That's it's incredible. But he was
18:38
Speaker 1: making some catches out wide as well, and that was
18:42
Speaker 1: the promise from ran Meyer. We're gonna use him as
18:44
Speaker 1: a weapon all over and it feels like that looked
18:47
Speaker 1: like that on Tuesday at least. Yeah, it's something that
18:49
Speaker 1: I've learned down here since being around you guys. I
18:51
Speaker 1: think you guys call it what the air back? That
18:53
Speaker 1: the air back. I've never heard that term before, but
18:55
Speaker 1: that's something new to I'll put in my scouting jargon
18:57
Speaker 1: like I'm learning. They ever heard that before? Absolutely not.
19:01
Speaker 1: I've never heard air air back? You're in air right there?
19:07
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, but air back. So he's
19:10
Speaker 1: an air back. So I think the great The great
19:12
Speaker 1: thing was being able to see at the end because
19:15
Speaker 1: I like doing Rickey manicamp. I had to text like,
19:19
Speaker 1: what what's this stuff I'm hearing about him playing why
19:21
Speaker 1: receiver and all of that. I'll be honest with you,
19:24
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he would be a guy that
19:26
Speaker 1: could go out and playing space like a Christian McCaffrey
19:29
Speaker 1: or Alvin Kamara. However, after watching him go out wide
19:34
Speaker 1: run slants and run those isolated routes that you normally
19:38
Speaker 1: we see from wide receivers. Um he has. He has
19:41
Speaker 1: some tools that I don't know if we're fully developed
19:43
Speaker 1: and tapped into at Clemson. And so when Urban talks
19:46
Speaker 1: about maximizing his talents by being able to kind of
19:49
Speaker 1: move him around and do some things in the passing game,
19:52
Speaker 1: he could be a I mean, he could be a factor.
19:53
Speaker 1: He could be different because the passages that he caught,
19:56
Speaker 1: they were guys running routes. They weren't just check downs
19:59
Speaker 1: and screens. He was catching real routes. And so there's
20:02
Speaker 1: some potential and promise. I still say the guy that
20:05
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to see how they're really going to utilize
20:09
Speaker 1: Leavisco should not Um what is that role going to
20:14
Speaker 1: be when we get down to it, because he should
20:16
Speaker 1: be an explosive player, a weapon in the offense. But
20:19
Speaker 1: how are they're gonna maximize that big body? And Schlegel
20:22
Speaker 1: told me today that he's added a couple of pounds
20:26
Speaker 1: of muscle mass and lost two percent more body fat.
20:30
Speaker 1: So think about that. He's he was already tough and
20:32
Speaker 1: strong and big anyway. But I don't know if you
20:34
Speaker 1: call that baby fat. He was a beast to begin with,
20:37
Speaker 1: but okay, he's only getting better and bigger and stronger. Yeah,
20:42
Speaker 1: so I'm winning up because you talked about like you
20:45
Speaker 1: put him in the slot. Is he the big slot
20:47
Speaker 1: receiver that they project and maybe play like Michael Thomas
20:51
Speaker 1: down to New Orleans where we've seen some of those
20:53
Speaker 1: guys and older Larry fish Gerald that plays in Arizona
20:57
Speaker 1: that is in the slot, but they utilize his size
21:00
Speaker 1: as a blocker. So it's almost like having another tied
21:02
Speaker 1: in on the field. Or I mean, are we getting
21:05
Speaker 1: to the point where they're beefing them up so we
21:07
Speaker 1: can totally rock a little bit maybe on jet sweeps
21:10
Speaker 1: and motion into the backfield. I mean it's wide open
21:13
Speaker 1: because they now have two guys. I believe there are
21:15
Speaker 1: two guys that can kind of play that H back world,
21:18
Speaker 1: one of Chanal, the others Travis. It's but completely different
21:21
Speaker 1: versions of the AH. Yes, the H back and strange
21:26
Speaker 1: like the wide receiver. It is a physical guy who's
21:29
Speaker 1: going to come in and run, and then the running
21:32
Speaker 1: back is the speed. Make you miss. I don't follow
21:37
Speaker 1: every team in the league as closely as you do.
21:38
Speaker 1: Buck but hey, I'm not sure that many teams use
21:41
Speaker 1: this h back in the way that Urban envisions. There's
21:44
Speaker 1: some I'm not saying it's it's solo. But and then
21:47
Speaker 1: to have two guys uh be writing all off season,
21:50
Speaker 1: I mean, trying to be honest with fans. I don't
21:52
Speaker 1: really know how they're gonna use them. I don't know
21:53
Speaker 1: how it's gonna look. But I think that is an
21:57
Speaker 1: incredibly fascinating storyline early in training camp that could make
22:01
Speaker 1: it very interesting and and I'm not sure how to
22:03
Speaker 1: analyze it because we just don't know how it's gonna
22:05
Speaker 1: be used. Yeah, it's funny. I think Urban could maybe
22:09
Speaker 1: think about using him like Curtis Samuel with the Carolina Panthers.
22:14
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, who um is now with the Washington football team.
22:17
Speaker 1: But last season he has seventy seven receptions UM, but
22:21
Speaker 1: he also had I don't know he had a handful
22:23
Speaker 1: of carriers. He had forty one carriers for two hundre yards.
22:26
Speaker 1: Can you get to the point where you begin to
22:28
Speaker 1: utilize him and that man, Hey, primarily you're gonna catch you,
22:31
Speaker 1: but we're gonna give you three or four carries a game.
22:35
Speaker 1: Jet sweeps fly sweeps because we saw some of that
22:37
Speaker 1: stuff happen the last practice where we were seeing different
22:41
Speaker 1: guys on the premier who saw Jamal Agnew take a
22:44
Speaker 1: little flas sweep around the corner. Do they have enough
22:46
Speaker 1: of that stuff in the bag to be able to
22:49
Speaker 1: really take advantage of what he brings to the table.
22:51
Speaker 1: And it seems like I've heard the star of the
22:53
Speaker 1: Mooth the Sticks podcast, Damil Jeremiah talked about this that uh,
22:58
Speaker 1: there is uh, yes, a shift. That's the way the
23:02
Speaker 1: league's going. Yeah, positionless ball, position list ball. It translates
23:06
Speaker 1: to defense as well. That you need guys. Uh kid,
23:10
Speaker 1: he's talked about the guy who went there. Uh. But
23:14
Speaker 1: then you're seeing that a little more. It seems like
23:16
Speaker 1: maybe the Jaguars are are going to suddenly be on
23:19
Speaker 1: the cutting edge of that. Well, since you're here in
23:22
Speaker 1: town and you know that star from the movie six
23:25
Speaker 1: podcast isn't here, But maybe the other guy from the
23:27
Speaker 1: movie six podcast will give you a bit of a thing.
23:30
Speaker 1: Bowls High School. I like that the other guy Bowls
23:32
Speaker 1: High School. I think you told me Bowls high School
23:34
Speaker 1: runs the wing TI. They did for a long time,
23:36
Speaker 1: a long time ago. One one a bunch of championships
23:40
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So why don't you envision la
23:42
Speaker 1: viscus shud it maybe Travis hitti end instead of calling
23:46
Speaker 1: them h backs, why we call them wing backs, boy,
23:48
Speaker 1: where they're half running back and then just let it put.
23:54
Speaker 1: We put the ball in their hands and let them
23:56
Speaker 1: do it because the leather helmets to which love it
24:00
Speaker 1: like I double wing, I believing that the double wing
24:09
Speaker 1: Travis and t n be a nice wing back for us.
24:16
Speaker 1: But no, and thinking about that half running back, half
24:19
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Urban has always called it the h back,
24:22
Speaker 1: but really old school football, that's the wing back. That's
24:24
Speaker 1: what those guys are. So now how does he take
24:26
Speaker 1: advantage of those things? That's a lot that they have
24:29
Speaker 1: to sort through. I'm sure they'll look at the film
24:31
Speaker 1: over the course of the last couple of weeks heading
24:34
Speaker 1: into training camera try and have a plan for both
24:36
Speaker 1: of those guys. But I would think if it's a
24:38
Speaker 1: good team and you're looking at the call sheet for bebble,
24:41
Speaker 1: there has to be two columns in there. One for
24:44
Speaker 1: get the ball to number one, get the ball to
24:47
Speaker 1: number ten, about six priority six to eight plays where
24:53
Speaker 1: these are plays where they can get the ball very easily.
24:55
Speaker 1: We talked also, and Prad is talking about the quarterback.
24:58
Speaker 1: The quarterback last year, Trevor, I mean Trevor Lawrence at
25:01
Speaker 1: Clemson wanted through more bubble screens and pretty much anybody
25:05
Speaker 1: else another way to get those balls. Those guys the
25:08
Speaker 1: ball quickly, bubble screens, some of that stuff. RBO game
25:11
Speaker 1: and he can get it out quick. Yeah. I mean,
25:13
Speaker 1: it's just take the snap and don't don't a second baseman.
25:17
Speaker 1: Turning to the double play, it's Ungradula get it out.
25:21
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Speaker 1: mine went and uh and you I heard it was fantastic.
25:59
Speaker 1: I heard c did uh a fantastic version of Angel
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26:06
Speaker 1: solo albums back in the old days, and she she
26:09
Speaker 1: did a version in honor of John Pryan, who passed
26:13
Speaker 1: away this past year. Let's talk defense now, and you
26:17
Speaker 1: know there's so many new faces guys on this defense, Bucky,
26:22
Speaker 1: I guess since you've seen this group for a couple
26:26
Speaker 1: of days, what stands out about the Jaguars defense to you?
26:31
Speaker 1: The versatility and the potential multiplicity of the defense that
26:36
Speaker 1: they're gonna use. The versatility in terms of like man,
26:38
Speaker 1: so many like size athletes standing up on the edges.
26:44
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I mean, Calebin and Chasing wasn't out there,
26:47
Speaker 1: but like Josh Allen mccrew, you see all of these big,
26:51
Speaker 1: long bodies and two point stances where they can either
26:54
Speaker 1: rush to pass or they can drop in the coverage
26:57
Speaker 1: we were obviously previous to see some of the things
26:59
Speaker 1: they are doing. Walk through with some of the blitz
27:01
Speaker 1: is and some of the simulated pressures and overload pressures
27:05
Speaker 1: and all of the smoking mirrors things that they can do.
27:08
Speaker 1: You can see Joe Cullen and the influence that the
27:11
Speaker 1: Ravens had on his thinking. But then it's how they're
27:15
Speaker 1: gonna tap into the other weapons that they have and
27:19
Speaker 1: how much can they do with the young seconded dairy
27:23
Speaker 1: did they have behind them, because that really will determine
27:26
Speaker 1: how aggressive they can go based on how the guys
27:29
Speaker 1: on the outside Griffin and Henderson and Herndon and Jones
27:33
Speaker 1: and those guys uh tays caim when he gets d
27:36
Speaker 1: how well can they hold up in either man or
27:38
Speaker 1: his own coverage because data dictated and determine how aggressive
27:43
Speaker 1: they can really come after quarterbacks and stuff in the
27:45
Speaker 1: running game. Is this the case football fans listen to this?
27:48
Speaker 1: I think all the basic understanding what the Ravens are,
27:51
Speaker 1: and that to me is this version of this defense
27:56
Speaker 1: operating at master's degree level? Well, is this a scheme
28:02
Speaker 1: that can be effective operating at freshman year level? Called
28:06
Speaker 1: you know I'm getting at because it would be a
28:09
Speaker 1: reach to think that with the first year with a
28:11
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys that you could throw in the
28:14
Speaker 1: master's degree yet. But can it be effective using the
28:18
Speaker 1: basic versions of it and then grow into effectiveness? You know,
28:22
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends on how how those guys
28:23
Speaker 1: on the outside Henderson, Griffin, how those guys hold up
28:27
Speaker 1: and what they show that they can play really well,
28:30
Speaker 1: whether that's man, whether that's quarters coverage, because you're here
28:35
Speaker 1: Urban talking about court discoverage and cover four and that
28:37
Speaker 1: in essence is man coverage. Those guys on the island
28:41
Speaker 1: a ton, and so how quickly can we get those
28:44
Speaker 1: guys up to speed to be able to hold up
28:47
Speaker 1: in their one on one matchups? And if you aren't
28:50
Speaker 1: able to hold up in one on one, how can
28:52
Speaker 1: you help them? How do you double team? How do
28:54
Speaker 1: you play cloud coverage and those things. The preseason I
28:58
Speaker 1: would anticipate when we're watching the games, I would think
29:02
Speaker 1: we would see a very aggressive defense where they're trying
29:05
Speaker 1: to throw everything out there to put it on tape
29:08
Speaker 1: to see what they need to pare down and what
29:10
Speaker 1: they can be really really good at. And so I
29:12
Speaker 1: think we'll see the defense evolved from the first week
29:15
Speaker 1: of the regular season to midway through the regular season
29:19
Speaker 1: until they kind of find their ways and identity. But
29:21
Speaker 1: I do think they can they can get away with
29:23
Speaker 1: some of the freshman level stuff um with the young guys,
29:26
Speaker 1: but it's such based on confusion. The effectively the defense
29:29
Speaker 1: can be based on confusion and so and then that's
29:31
Speaker 1: that all comes down to. And you guys know coach
29:34
Speaker 1: Cullen better than I do. How can he teach it
29:37
Speaker 1: and explain it? Can they conceptually teaching in a way
29:40
Speaker 1: where um, instead of saying, hey, this corner is here,
29:44
Speaker 1: that corners there, the Free statescy s herees no here,
29:47
Speaker 1: the three spots. One of you guys is going to
29:50
Speaker 1: be in this spot, that spot, in this other spot.
29:52
Speaker 1: Can they can they teach it like that? I would
29:55
Speaker 1: like to think because Chris ash comes from college that
29:58
Speaker 1: he has had some familiarity and t concepts as opposed
30:02
Speaker 1: to like responsibilities, that that might be a way to
30:05
Speaker 1: be able to get it done. It's hard to see now,
30:07
Speaker 1: but I mean we'll we'll see pretty quickly how they
30:10
Speaker 1: do it and how simple they can make it for
30:11
Speaker 1: those guys to play fast. What do you think of
30:13
Speaker 1: Tyson Cambell there that I think the thing about Tyson
30:16
Speaker 1: Campbell is young guy. You're trying to trying to figure
30:18
Speaker 1: out the one thing that stands out size speed and athleticism.
30:22
Speaker 1: He has all of those things. And normally what you
30:26
Speaker 1: try to do is when you accumulate a team that
30:29
Speaker 1: has great athleticism and speed. That means you make it simpler.
30:34
Speaker 1: From a scheme standpoint, you don't want to do anything
30:38
Speaker 1: that takes away from that. So I don't want them thinking.
30:42
Speaker 1: I want them playing, and so can they make the
30:45
Speaker 1: scheme simple enough to do it? But I think Tyson
30:47
Speaker 1: Cambell has a chance to be a good player. I
30:49
Speaker 1: actually like the starter starting crew that they could put
30:52
Speaker 1: on the outside. I think it's still important for them
30:55
Speaker 1: to find who's going to be the fourth and fifth
30:58
Speaker 1: to corner. Who's the safeties? Yeah, because I don't know who.
31:02
Speaker 1: I know we're talking about Daniel Thomas, right Cisco. Cisco
31:07
Speaker 1: is coming off an injury, so so how's that gonna
31:11
Speaker 1: be long until he plays? Okay? I mean okay, I mean, look,
31:14
Speaker 1: he's a ball hawk. He's terrific in terms of getting
31:16
Speaker 1: his hands on the ball, but just trying to him
31:18
Speaker 1: he's around. Yeah, So those guys, the secondary unit is
31:23
Speaker 1: gonna be has to be better than it was last
31:25
Speaker 1: year because Urban said anytime he's talked about it, he's
31:28
Speaker 1: made no mistake. They want to play man and they
31:31
Speaker 1: want to play three guys pressing the ball. So that's
31:34
Speaker 1: why they drafted not all the time. I mean, he
31:38
Speaker 1: can't be ridiculous about it. But but okay, yeah, there
31:42
Speaker 1: we go. So you answer my question. No, I ain't
31:44
Speaker 1: gonna be in this soft, soft slow zones and we're
31:47
Speaker 1: gonna slow him down and keep the ball and all that.
31:51
Speaker 1: When they drafted Campbell, that was the reason that they
31:53
Speaker 1: wanted three guys who could all, yeah, hold up on
31:56
Speaker 1: their own. Really it all cover and man, just like
31:59
Speaker 1: Bucky help what it safe? Yet always that's why you always,
32:06
Speaker 1: That's why you always see me looking around. Hey, there's
32:08
Speaker 1: my helper. You're still gonna be there. Right, let's let's
32:11
Speaker 1: get it. But this means that he is, at least
32:14
Speaker 1: at the beginning, he's going to try to do some
32:17
Speaker 1: of the stuff that they did it Ohio State. Because
32:20
Speaker 1: the reason why Ohio State was so successful for so
32:23
Speaker 1: long they went nose nose and locked it up and
32:25
Speaker 1: that's why they produced so many NFL corners because everyone
32:28
Speaker 1: was on that island. So it might be a bit
32:31
Speaker 1: of a cat defense in the back end. I got
32:33
Speaker 1: that cat, You get that cat, let's go play. I've
32:36
Speaker 1: never heard that one cat defense. See, we're like we're
32:39
Speaker 1: throwing air back cover that air back That's the key.
32:44
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a cat, you have to be
32:46
Speaker 1: able to pick up the air back. You got better
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Speaker 1: and Bucky I will say it, it's been a pleasure
33:01
Speaker 1: to see you in person this week here in Jacksonville,
33:04
Speaker 1: man on all these shows. Yeah, it's been It's been
33:06
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's been a lot of fun
33:07
Speaker 1: to come back down. You guys are hilarious in person,
33:10
Speaker 1: like even even better than over zoom and when I'm
33:13
Speaker 1: not a car y'all, y'all are funny, like like the
33:16
Speaker 1: with the banners is great, and I'm having to do
33:19
Speaker 1: it without being distraction and looking at what's going on
33:21
Speaker 1: on the four or five and all that, Like I
33:22
Speaker 1: may actually watch you and not you know, driving duck
33:25
Speaker 1: and dies like I've done sometimes on the pot And
33:27
Speaker 1: it sounds like the last couple of days that had
33:29
Speaker 1: multiple people who have met and had met me before.
33:32
Speaker 1: I say, have you lust weight? Which is great except
33:35
Speaker 1: that it means on the air, I feel like a
33:37
Speaker 1: fast slot. So I'm thankful, but I'm a little self
33:42
Speaker 1: conscious about it. It's been it's been a sound of fun.
33:46
Speaker 1: I can't wait to come back down in trying to
33:48
Speaker 1: camp and see what see what the bills and will
33:50
Speaker 1: look like. I can't wait to see this quarterback competition
33:52
Speaker 1: that John was talking about on the Sideline's gonna play
33:56
Speaker 1: out big competition. Um Man, I can't believe we got
33:59
Speaker 1: to a podcast. We're not even gonna talk about the guy.
34:02
Speaker 1: I gonna talk about t bow. Go for it? Would
34:05
Speaker 1: you like the star was mandatory? We always have to talk.
34:07
Speaker 1: He made a couple of catches, right, he did. He
34:09
Speaker 1: made a couple of catches. He hadn't blocked anybody yet.
34:12
Speaker 1: Come on, his wrist a hurting. He's got those pads
34:15
Speaker 1: pads on his wrist. Notice the gloves. He's got these
34:18
Speaker 1: wrist and got the wrist pad things because he's been
34:21
Speaker 1: hitting the pads so much that so he has the
34:23
Speaker 1: he has the strengthen his wrists over the next six weeks,
34:26
Speaker 1: so we get ready for training camp because he's out
34:29
Speaker 1: there doing something. Yeah, you might have to get the
34:31
Speaker 1: rice the rice bucket, rice bucket and twisted thing around.
34:37
Speaker 1: You don't really do. Yeah, I'm sure you don't. Just
34:40
Speaker 1: put your iPhone, hit your hand down this again, and
34:43
Speaker 1: the ice, but the rice buckets. We'll get him going.
34:46
Speaker 1: But um, it'll be a huge storyline in training camp. Obviously,
34:49
Speaker 1: it hasn't really been outside the first couple of days
34:52
Speaker 1: hasn't been. It's kind of quieted down, but that's kind
34:55
Speaker 1: it'll come back. He got a couple of past you
34:56
Speaker 1: saw him catch cup passes and do some stuff. You know.
34:59
Speaker 1: Come back and if he can play and make the team,
35:01
Speaker 1: will be fine. If if he hadn't make the team,
35:03
Speaker 1: that'll be fine too. Ivan Urban said they still have
35:05
Speaker 1: to do some work at that position right the other day,
35:08
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he meant, though. I took that
35:11
Speaker 1: to mean you could mean the guys at the position continuing.
35:17
Speaker 1: Some fans took it the way that they need to
35:19
Speaker 1: go out and get somebody. I'm not sure that there
35:21
Speaker 1: is anxious you got can get somebody as as fans are,
35:24
Speaker 1: but that's that's me. We'll find out soon enough. It
35:29
Speaker 1: should be fun, Bucky. Great to see you enjoy your
35:33
Speaker 1: summer break, and we'll see you back here later in
35:35
Speaker 1: the summer. It sounds like, but no Red carpet next time.
35:39
Speaker 1: Just another guy coming in so so so we're we're
35:41
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna break to you guys on something. We're
35:43
Speaker 1: on summer break for a minute of a break, something
35:46
Speaker 1: like that, summer break. I guess what we're doing a
35:49
Speaker 1: few weeks away, and this will be the last Huddle
35:50
Speaker 1: Up for a little while. Yeah, for a little bit,
35:53
Speaker 1: probably the week of training Campbell get back on the
35:55
Speaker 1: horse again. Man with they remember us after that long?
35:58
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I don't know. Okay, all right,
36:01
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see one way to find maybe we'll
36:05
Speaker 1: come back and do another one for John Osier and
36:08
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