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CRUISE TEEN CHEERLEADER DEAD FROM 'BAR HOLD' AFTER STEPBRO-SUSPECT SKIPS DAILY DRUG COCKTAIL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The cruise teen cheerleader Anna Kaptner dead from a bar
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  Speaker 2: hold asphyxiation after her stepbrother sixteen, now named a suspect.
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  Speaker 2: We learned he misses, he skips his daily drug cocktail
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  Speaker 2: of meds. Was he on some type of n agitated withdrawal?
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  Speaker 2: And tonight we learn as punishment he's sent to relatives.
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  Speaker 1: Why no charges?
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  Speaker 2: And the death of a teen girl cheerleader found stuffed
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  Speaker 2: under a twin bed on a cruise I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. That little girl stuffed under a cruise
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  Speaker 2: ship bed, wrapped in a blanket mummy.
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  Speaker 1: Style, life is stuffed over her. She quote thought.
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  Speaker 3: For her life.
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  Speaker 1: And this is one thing I don't get.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I learning all of these facts from a
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  Speaker 2: seemingly unrelated custody argument. The family dynamic lands this very
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  Speaker 2: very blended family in court fighting over custody of the
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  Speaker 2: younger children straight out to investigative journalist author of Down
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  Speaker 2: the Hill, My Descent into the double murder of del
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  Speaker 2: Fi Susan Hendrix. Why am I having to learn all
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  Speaker 2: of this from a seemingly unrelated custody fight.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and the infighting. It's been going on a while,
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  Speaker 4: and we're getting information from this through that, as you said,
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  Speaker 4: and where is the outrage. I watched the entire hearing.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting bits and pieces. The suspect's older brother, it
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  Speaker 4: stood out to me that he said he was put
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  Speaker 4: in a choke hold, So is that where I'm guessing
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  Speaker 4: that the suspect learned to do that? But you're right, Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: we are only hearing details through this somewhat unrelated hearing.
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  Speaker 4: It's just very complicated, and I feel, you know what's
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  Speaker 4: missing the outrage of this eighteen year old girl Anna.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody was sitting in court like they were all
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  Speaker 2: on sedatives, talking about custody issues. When Anna, we believe
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  Speaker 2: is either nude or partially nude, dead, wrapped mummy style
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  Speaker 2: in a blanket and stuffed under a twin bed, and
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  Speaker 2: we find out the parents haven't even seen her for
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  Speaker 2: how many hours? To Sidney Summer's joining us in addition
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  Speaker 2: to Susan Sidney Summer, investigative reporter for Crime Stories, Sidney,
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  Speaker 2: how long was it the parents didn't see Anna on
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  Speaker 2: the cruise and didn't check on her?
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  Speaker 5: Sixteen hours that Anna was not checked on, seen a
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  Speaker 5: lot before her body is found brutally stuffed under that bed,
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  Speaker 5: hidden covered with these life jackets.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we're only getting dribbles and drabbles of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Facts that we're learning, including nearly.
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  Speaker 2: A day passes without the parents checking on Anna, well
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  Speaker 2: the whole time she's dead, her body cooling, decomposing, evidence
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  Speaker 2: drifting away while they're what at the buffet and the bar.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but we will find out from all
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  Speaker 2: of the video cameras. I mean, you know, Spencer Aaronfield,
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  Speaker 2: you're the cruise lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: I'll introduce you formuly in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: But these cruise ships are they're like gambling in Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you're at NASA. Everywhere you go there's a
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  Speaker 2: video camera. And I want to see that video. Who
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  Speaker 2: went in and out of that cabin where Anna was
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  Speaker 2: found dead? But I want to know what were the
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  Speaker 2: parents doing? The bio dad and the stepmom. What were
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  Speaker 2: they doing for nearly a day without checking on Anna?
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  Speaker 1: What were they the bar, the buffet?
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  Speaker 2: Round two?
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  Speaker 6: Most likely Nancy, they were probably at the casino or
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  Speaker 6: in the spa or enjoying themselves. Remember this young lady
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  Speaker 6: was my.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you say casino so people can
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  Speaker 2: drink like fish and then bailly up to lose all
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  Speaker 2: their money at a casino?
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  Speaker 1: Casino?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean these are like floating Las Vegas resorts.
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  Speaker 6: So there are casinos, there are spas, there are numbers
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  Speaker 6: of pools, there are shops, there are tons of restaurants
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  Speaker 6: and most importantly, tons of bars. But this was an
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  Speaker 6: eighteen year old, so probably the level of supervision was
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  Speaker 6: not as intense as it would have been if she
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  Speaker 6: had been fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Or fourteen or younger than that. Put hell up here.
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  Speaker 6: I am.
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  Speaker 2: I believe at one juncture you told me you had children,
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  Speaker 2: did you not?
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  Speaker 7: I do have kids.
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  Speaker 6: There are adult children.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you exactly where my eighteen year old
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  Speaker 2: twins are right now. I can tell you how they feel.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a temperature. Lucy actually has a mild
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  Speaker 2: temperature right now in a little cough. I know exactly
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  Speaker 2: where they are. I don't know what you're even talking about.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a young girl on the high seas. You
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  Speaker 2: know how fast she could be sold into sex slavery.
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  Speaker 2: She's just what those people want her. Oh no, no, no, no, eighteen,
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  Speaker 2: not supervised. You know what I'm calling defects on you
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  Speaker 2: tonight as soon as they get off the air Susan Hendricks.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly a day passes. They don't know where she is.
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  Speaker 2: And in the midst of all this, where are they?
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  Speaker 2: I asked Aaronfield, and he brought up the specter. I
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  Speaker 2: felt I'd seen a monster of a casino. So they
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  Speaker 2: can drink like fish, eat at buffets all day long
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  Speaker 2: and then gamble. Do we have any idea where they
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  Speaker 2: were while Anna was stuffed dead under that twin bed?
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  Speaker 4: Well we heard this also at the emergency custody hearing,
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  Speaker 4: and a stepmom Chantale said that she went in her
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  Speaker 4: room at seven pm, that she was tired, she was
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  Speaker 4: there for the night, went to sleep, But again we
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  Speaker 4: don't know what she was doing all day. She asked
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  Speaker 4: about gambling. She said that Anna was eighteen, so she
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  Speaker 4: assumed she was in the casino. But again no supervision.
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  Speaker 4: And guess what Nancy? She was asked during this Chantelle
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  Speaker 4: on the stand, is it true that they stayed across
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  Speaker 4: the hall, all of them together, her stepbrother, her biological
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  Speaker 4: brother and her.
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  Speaker 1: And she said yes. It was recommended by the travel agent.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard she tried to blame
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  Speaker 2: the travel agency.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, I got to go to John Bueller.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, if you don't know the name John Buehler, google it.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as I found out that Lacy Peterson had
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  Speaker 2: disappeared on Christmas Eve while her husband, Scott Peterson was fishing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: John Buehler, one of the very first detectives on that case,
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  Speaker 2: worked the case like a dog.
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  Speaker 1: They're at Modesto PD.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty one year's Robbery Homicide John who gets stolen into
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  Speaker 2: sex slavery on cruises and trips abroad. Hey, forget it
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  Speaker 2: at the Atlanta Airport beautiful young teen girls agree?
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  Speaker 1: Disagree, Dealer, Oh.
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  Speaker 7: Totally agree.
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  Speaker 8: This is the target rich environment when it comes to
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  Speaker 8: the people that are trading in that, and they lure
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  Speaker 8: them with a variety of different promises and things like
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  Speaker 8: that that they find hard to resist, and then all
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  Speaker 8: of a sudden it's too late.
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  Speaker 7: They're trapped and they can't get get away from it.
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  Speaker 2: Bueler, you know, I've had so many sex trafficking cases,
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  Speaker 2: but one that really shocked me. A young teen girl
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  Speaker 2: goes to daddy and me the dad wants to do
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  Speaker 2: something bond with his daughter. He takes her to a
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  Speaker 2: MAV's game control room. Wasn't it a Mavericks game? They
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  Speaker 2: go to a professional game. He goes to the bathroom,
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  Speaker 2: she goes to concessions. She's lured away. You know how
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  Speaker 2: they found her. A detective like you, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is trolling online.
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  Speaker 1: He sees her. She's been missing for days. They think
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  Speaker 1: she's dead.
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  Speaker 2: She pops up on an internet site in Racie Laningerie,
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  Speaker 2: some hooker site. This little teen girl sex trafficked. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many clients she had before she was saved.
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  Speaker 2: So to have your daughter or your son, but your
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  Speaker 2: daughter in the casino where grown men are in.
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  Speaker 1: There drinking as much as they can and.
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  Speaker 2: Gambling, and then they see Anna Kettner, that is a
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  Speaker 2: recipe for disaster.
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  Speaker 8: Well just because she's a of course, isn't going to
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  Speaker 8: take her out of the realm of these guys. Any
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  Speaker 8: young girl like this, and especially on a cruise ship
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  Speaker 8: and inhibitions are low, the drinking is high.
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  Speaker 7: She's ripe to be attacked.
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  Speaker 8: But of course it goes right back to the main suspect,
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  Speaker 8: the stepbrother on this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're right, she was not sex trafficked.
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  Speaker 2: We know that, But what I'm saying is there's no supervision. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: how are we finding out all of this information?
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  Speaker 9: Listen a family court hearing regarding Thomas Hudson's emergency petition
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  Speaker 9: for custody of the nine year old daughter he shares
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  Speaker 9: with Sean Tell Hudson reveals new details and Anna Kuepner's murderer.
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  Speaker 9: Hudson tells the court he's concerned for Brooks safety under
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  Speaker 9: Chantell Hudson and Christopher Keepner's care due to their failure
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  Speaker 9: to supervise their children during the cruise. Thomas didn't want
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  Speaker 9: the children to take Shan Tell Hudson testifies her sixteen
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  Speaker 9: year old son staying with relatives after his release from
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  Speaker 9: psychiatric observation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, let me understand something minute.
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  Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks, the judge in this hearing, confirmed the teen
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  Speaker 2: step brother is the main suspect in Anna's choke hold asphyxiation.
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  Speaker 1: That's the murder. There's no two ways around it.
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  Speaker 2: Choke cold asphyxiation, her neck covered in bruises, and his
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  Speaker 2: punishment is how he has to go with with relatives.
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  Speaker 1: That's the punishment.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, even Chantelle, and the suspect's mom said that when
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  Speaker 4: she was on the studie, Sean, why.
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  Speaker 1: Are you referring to her as Chantelle? You're on a
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  Speaker 1: first name basis.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's confusing to any other Chantelle stepmother correct. Correct,
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  Speaker 4: And the mother of the suspect, she was on the
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  Speaker 4: stand and did say he was the only one scene
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  Speaker 4: in and out. It's like they're all in agreement that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's the main suspect. Why isn't he arrested. He's staying
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  Speaker 4: with her relatives, just staying there, chatting on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, still, I don't know how to say this without
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  Speaker 2: my head exploding. But Karen Stark, I'm gonna use some
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark psycho talk.
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  Speaker 1: That's sending the wrong message.
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  Speaker 2: He's a suspect and a brutal murder of a little
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  Speaker 2: teen cheerleader who's stuffed under the twin bed. Nobody knows
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  Speaker 2: he's missing for nearly a day. Nobody checks on her.
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  Speaker 1: There she is.
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  Speaker 9: He is a.
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  Speaker 2: Suspect, and he is quote sent to live with relatives.
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  Speaker 2: That's his punishment.
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  Speaker 1: I might as well just sit him in the corner.
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  Speaker 10: Well as you could tell Nancy something that is really
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  Speaker 10: wrong here, and that's to say it mithly with the parents.
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  Speaker 10: They didn't supervise enough, and what is he doing at
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  Speaker 10: a relatives. I'm particularly concerned because there were two nights
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  Speaker 10: where he did not take his insomnia medicine, which is
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  Speaker 10: cleonapin and clonipin. Is something especially for a teenager who
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  Speaker 10: has ADHD, which allegedly he has. It's not a good
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  Speaker 10: thing to start the client and that there's a rebound effect.
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  Speaker 10: He could have all of a sudden be out of control,
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  Speaker 10: not make wise decisions, be impulsive. So even there, something
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  Speaker 10: was very, very wrong with this family supervising this boy,
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  Speaker 10: or all of them.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you know.
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  Speaker 2: You said that they didn't supervise enough. They didn't supervise
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  Speaker 2: at all. I know for nearly a day they didn't
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  Speaker 2: supervise Anna because they didn't know she was dead, her
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  Speaker 2: body stuffed under a twin bed. Let's jump to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that this teen step brother suspect skipped his daily
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  Speaker 2: drug cocktail Listen.
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  Speaker 11: Hudson admits my son missed two dozes of his night
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  Speaker 11: prescription for insomnia clonidine. Sean Tell Hudson testify she carried
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  Speaker 11: her son's medication dispensing it to him at the appropriate.
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  Speaker 9: Timesana Dyne is prescribed to manage high blood pressure ADHD
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  Speaker 9: or withdrawal symptoms. It's also often used off label as
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  Speaker 9: a sleep aid. While Klanadyne doesn't have serious side effects,
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  Speaker 9: abruptly stopping can lead to a rebound in blood pressure, sweating,
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  Speaker 9: and agitation.
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  Speaker 2: Could I hear the word agitation causes agitation?
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Kendall Crowns joining us.
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  Speaker 2: He is a renowned chief medical examiner in Terrance County.
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  Speaker 2: That's fort Worth, never a lack of business, as I
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  Speaker 2: like to say.
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  Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: At TCU, and he is the star of a hit
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  Speaker 2: new podcast which I have played on Loop.
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  Speaker 1: Please I need a new one.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, feed my addiction to may him in
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  Speaker 2: the Morgue, Doctor Kendl Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: I have cross examined many.
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  Speaker 2: A doctor, which is hard to do because we lawyer
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  Speaker 2: really don't know what we're talking about when we talk
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  Speaker 2: about meds or operations or medical examiners autopsies. We're just
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  Speaker 2: reading your reports and extrapolating. But I learned how to
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  Speaker 2: read the side effects of various drugs, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure that agitation can be a side effect to this
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  Speaker 2: particular drug. What does that mean if he skipped his
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  Speaker 2: daily meds, what would happen as a withdrawal? And is
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  Speaker 2: agitation a side effect of this particular drug.
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  Speaker 12: So the answer is yes. Clonidine is used to treat
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  Speaker 12: ADHD and hyper or high blood pressure. When you stop
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  Speaker 12: taking it, you get rebound headaches and you also get irritability,
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  Speaker 12: mood swings, agitation, and it kind of increasing in your
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  Speaker 12: ADHD symptoms coming back. So one of the symptoms of
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  Speaker 12: not taking it is irritability and mood swings with frustration.
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  Speaker 1: Can you say the part about frustration again?
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  Speaker 12: Uh? Yes, Well, on the one of the side effects
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  Speaker 12: of not taking one of the withdrawal symptoms is frustration
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  Speaker 12: or irritating. Become irritated by minor things quite easily, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking this through and I want to circle
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  Speaker 2: back to Susan Hendrix, who's joining US investigative reporter. We're
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  Speaker 2: learning a lot of information from this emergency custody hearing,
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  Speaker 2: which the judge denied by the way the bio dad
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  Speaker 2: is trying to get the younger children away from Sean
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  Speaker 2: tel Hudson. That's Anna's stepmother and Anna's bio dad.
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  Speaker 1: They're married, Christopher Kepner.
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  Speaker 2: The bio dad is trying to get his younger children.
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  Speaker 2: Is Thomas Hudson away from Chantelle Hudson, and they're duking
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  Speaker 2: it out. It's become a mud fight, a mud slinging
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  Speaker 2: showdown in the courtroom, and we're learning this evidence. So
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  Speaker 2: so far we have learned under Chantelle Hudson's watch, the stepmother,
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  Speaker 2: no one was supervising Anna. Nearly a day passes, and
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  Speaker 2: nobody has even seen her much less know whether she's
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  Speaker 2: at a bar, at a restaurant, face down in the pool,
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  Speaker 2: at a casino. Nobody knows where she is. She's actually
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  Speaker 2: stuffed under a twin bed dead. The step brother, now
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  Speaker 2: murder suspect, according to the judge, missed two days of
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  Speaker 2: his daily cocktail of drugs meds he's prescribed. And we
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  Speaker 2: know that there was a prior altercation that the boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Of Anna Kapner observed, he saw it.
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  Speaker 2: Could you describe what Anna's boyfriend saw the attack by
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  Speaker 2: the step brother on Anna and the parents did nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they were on a FaceTime call and apparently they
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  Speaker 4: were talking for a long time, she fell asleep and
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  Speaker 4: did all of a sudden, he sees now this respect.
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  Speaker 4: The stepbrother come in, tried to get on top of Anna,
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  Speaker 4: and he said on FaceTime the ex boyfriend, now, what
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  Speaker 4: are you doing? Get off of her. He even went
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  Speaker 4: to the parents and said, this is happening. No, it's not,
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  Speaker 4: he said. They ignored him and the warnings, so it's
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  Speaker 4: not like nothing had ever happened before this happened. The
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  Speaker 4: ex boyfriend went to the parents and said, this is happening.
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  Speaker 4: You have to do something, and they did nothing. As
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned Chantelle, the stepmom who was on the stand,
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  Speaker 4: she was asked about that. Oh no, I called them
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  Speaker 4: the three amigo's best of friends. Did she forget that
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  Speaker 4: that incident happened in denial of it?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 2: This is Anna's ex boyfriend, her little teen ex boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: and according to the boyfriend and.
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  Speaker 1: His father, they warned the bio dad listen, she.
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  Speaker 13: Just didn't feel safe around him. She's scared to tell
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  Speaker 13: anybody because she was scared that he would do something
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  Speaker 13: to her.
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  Speaker 9: Joshua too, says Anna's close relationship with her stepbrother was
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  Speaker 9: one sided. The sixteen year old is obsessed with Anna
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  Speaker 9: and made her uncomfortable with romantic advances. He once even
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  Speaker 9: caught him trying to climb into Anna's bed while the
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  Speaker 9: two were on FaceTime, Anna already asleep.
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  Speaker 6: He said that I tried to tell the parents that
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  Speaker 6: this was happening, and they didn't want to believe me.
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  Speaker 14: He's like infatuated, attracted her, like crazy.
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  Speaker 7: He's always wanted the dat.
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  Speaker 15: Chris doesn't realize it's his fault. This whole thing is
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  Speaker 15: his fault. If he would have taken the warnings that
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  Speaker 15: Anna's ex boyfriend gave him, then she would still be here,
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  Speaker 15: So keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 2: Christopher from Inside Edition at Just Mom nineteen eighty four
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok, she's dead, stuffed under a cruise ship bed
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  Speaker 2: and had two bruises on the side of her name.
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  Speaker 3: There are so many confusing details.
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  Speaker 5: About this cap.
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Arundale joining us is so called cruise lawyer. He
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  Speaker 2: is not only a veteran trial lawyer, he is an
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  Speaker 2: author and he is the founder of the Erinfeil trial
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  Speaker 2: lawyer firm. Spencer, I want to talk to you about
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  Speaker 2: a very serious issue. It came up during the hearing.
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  Speaker 2: The parents, the stepmother, and biodad vehemently deny it. But
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  Speaker 2: ken underage miners get alcohol on craze.
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  Speaker 6: Ships absolutely, Nancy. There's a thousand and one ways that
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  Speaker 6: an underage miner can obtain alcohol on a Carnival cruise.
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  Speaker 6: Number one is Carnival conserve it to them, either accidentally
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  Speaker 6: or on purpose. I've seen it both ways. Another passenger
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  Speaker 6: can give them alcohol or here is one of the
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  Speaker 6: most common ways is they sneak it on board. There
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: are hundreds of videos on TikTok of inventive passengers who
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: have found ways to sneak alcohol on board Carnival cruise ships.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: They put it in mouthwash, they put it in feminine
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: hygiene packages, they reseal them, they re label them. So
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: it wouldn't surprise me at all if there is going
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: to be a positive alcohol finding in this case. The
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: majority of cases that I had in my thirty five
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: years of suing Carnival involve the assumption of alcohol.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Crime stories.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: With Nancy, Grace, Susan Hendrix, the stepmother, and the biodad,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: they insist none of the teens had alcohol. But I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: want to circle back to clonidine. I've researched it and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this to you. Doctor Kendall Crown's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: joining as Chief Medical Exemiter Terran County. Agitation as a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: withdrawal system quote is critical not to stop taking clonidine
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: abruptly as it can lead to withdrawal reaction, a rapid
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: dangerous increase in blood pressure, agitation, nervousness, headache, tremor, shaking, hands,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: pounding or fast heartbeat. And he missed I believe two
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: days of his drug cocktail that he was prescribed and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: now she's dead.
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: It's correct. So the withdrawal symptoms start occurring immediately, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: in twenty four to forty eight hours, they're going to
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: be increasing over that time period and becoming worse. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 12: all those things you're describing, the headaches, the nervousness, the
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: agitation and frustration are all going to be compounding as
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: well as as ADHD symptoms whatever those may be, may
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: be coming back as well. So he may be having
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: psychomotor disturbances or like he can't sit still or he
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: can't control his thoughts and thoughts are racing, and all
• 22:30
  Speaker 12: that's going to be occurring during these two days and
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: becoming worse the longer he's off the medication. So the
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: more time, the worse the symptoms, and.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Any potential alcohol consumption is only gas on the fire.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I've got another issue, and what we're talking about is
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: no supervision of these teams.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I want you to hear what the.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Younger brother says happens the night Anna is murdered.
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: Anna's brother heard a heated argument between them in their
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: cabin the night before Anna was found dead. He heard
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: the stepbrother yelling at Anna. The sounds of furniture overturning
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: and screams from inside their room.
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: He heard him yelling at her like in a harmful
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: way of like shut the hell up and stuff like that,
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: Like something was like banging around and stuff, and like
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: the chairs were getting thrown around in the room.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Now, that is Anna Kettner's little Egg's boyfriend, and he
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: learned that information obviously from the younger brother. That's from
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: our friend's inside edition. So John Buehler, former homicide detective,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the younger brother, I believe he's fourteen. What coward in
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the hallway, because what we're learning is right across the hallway.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: All he had to do is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: At stepmom's door, but he didn't Where were they? Why
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: couldn't he go to the biodet and a stepmom? Why
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: where were they back at the buffet?
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it looks to me like there was complete lack
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: of supervision and they had a lot of warning signs
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: coming up on this. They should have known that there
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: was friction between our cheerleader victim and this step brother.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: They saw it, they heard it from her ex boyfriend.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: And even in spite of that, why would you put
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: these two teens together in a room?
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Complete lack of any type of responsibility on the part
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: of the parents from what we've seen. Now, maybe there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: things we don't know about, but there's also going to
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: be problems with the case when it comes to a
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: variety of different things that have popped up that are
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: going to frustrate investigators.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Now again, Chantelle HUD's and the stepmother and Christopher Ketner
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and as biodet, they're Mary now insists nobody drank.
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: Listen on the stand. Chantell hudson't testifies her sixteen year
• 24:59
  Speaker 11: old's sig was not allowed to consume alcohol during the cruise.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: Chantelle's oldest son, Andrew, testifies his mother allowed him to
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: drink alcohol in the past, a story corroborated by Chantelle's
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: stepmother Sonya Zisk. Zisk witnessed Chantelle pour herself and both
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: of her sons, sixteen and fourteen at the time, a
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: shot of liquor because they wanted to know how it tasted.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They wanted to know how it tasted, So Mom pours
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: them a shot of liquor. Okay, normally, many people say,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: not judging Karen Stark, when you mix liquor alcohol with clonadine,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: Well, then the symptoms are exacerbated for sure, Nancy, because
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: you've become much more uninhibited. Think about what alcohol does
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: to you. Then you're adding on the fact that this
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: boy did not take his medications. If he did have
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: alcohol and he has hormones that are raging sixteen years old,
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: that's a very dangerous situation. And it's so surprising to me.
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: I have to agree that anyone would ever let this
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: boy be in a cabin with an eighteen year old
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: beautiful stepsister, not a bio sister, which also could be
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: a problem. But this is a stepsister and he apparently
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: is attracted to her, but I'm not surprised about that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: He's sixteen and he doesn't make great decisions. He has
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: ADHD for executive functioning. So this was a disaster waiting
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: to happen.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I know that Santelle Hudson and the biodat, Christopher Kepner,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: are insisting that the travel agent arranged the location of
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the room and did not get adjoining rooms. And I'm
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: going to go into that in just a moment, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the step brother, the little brother,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the fourteen year old is hearing chairs being thrown again
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: around and the sixteen year old yelling shut the hell
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: up at Anna when you hear a physical fight going on.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: The little fourteen year old brother standing out in the hall, listening, cowering, afraid.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: What time was that, because according to what we are
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: learning tonight, step mommy and husband were right across the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: hall asleep in their cabin.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Is that real?
• 27:41
  Speaker 14: Listen questioned about the last time she saw the teens
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: the night before Anna found dead. Shantell Hudson says, Anna
• 27:47
  Speaker 14: leaves dinner for her room six pm in pain from
• 27:50
  Speaker 14: her braces. She last sees the boys an hour later,
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: returning to her own room seven thirty pm. Neither she
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: nor Christopher Kaepner check on the teens at all. Anna
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: isn't seen for more than sixteen hours before her body
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: is discovered.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Let me understand, Susan Hendrix.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So, while Anna we believe is getting bar holed asphyxiated
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in her own room, what ten.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Feet across the way?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I mean the hallways are about four feet wide max.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And they're in the next.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Room over and the little brother standing in the hall
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: crying and cowering.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: What where were they asleep? Why couldn't he just knock
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: on the door? What really happened? Why didn't they just
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: walk across the hall and put it into it? Yeah?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Why didn't they hear that? And the fourteen year old?
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: You're right, Nancy, why didn't he just knock on the door.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: By the way, the grandparents were one floor above. Could
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: he run up there? Could he scream out for help?
• 28:54
  Speaker 16: Nothing?
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Then he went back in and he didn't see Anna. Meanwhile,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: she's dead under the bed.
• 28:59
  Speaker 17: We feel there are some circumstances regarding that the sixteen
• 29:04
  Speaker 17: year old and the mother's judgment regarding that cruise that
• 29:09
  Speaker 17: would affect you know obviously that her ability to care
• 29:13
  Speaker 17: for the minor child, the nine year old, the sixteen
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: year old was allowed to drink. The teenagers were given
• 29:21
  Speaker 17: their own room in which to stay. Just a lot
• 29:27
  Speaker 17: of circumstances that showed that the mother in this case
• 29:30
  Speaker 17: was not exercising appropriate supervision over this child.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: They've got Anna dad stuffed under a bed.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: They've got the sixteen year old reportedly a target. Everybody
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: now asking these questions, a stepbrother being a suspect, What
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: is the truth?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Why no charges?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Tonight we understand the sixteen year old stepbrother a suspect
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and teen cheerleader Anna Kettner's death the bar hold a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: six siation of a little girl. Even though he is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the only target, the only suspect of this juncture, he
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: has not been arrested, He is not in custody. As punishment,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he has been sent to quote live with relatives. Okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Tonight we learn that the stepmother, Chantelle Hudson, and Anna
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: his biodad Christopher Kepner, place the blame of the rooming
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: arrangement on the travel agent.
• 30:34
  Speaker 18: Listen, so this is what it looks like in the
• 30:37
  Speaker 18: rooms when you have the two twins whereas the other
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: one is the one king. The only difference is obviously
• 30:44
  Speaker 18: that put those two in the middle and the two.
• 30:46
  Speaker 19: Side tables go on the end.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'll double back to my room just to show you.
• 30:50
  Speaker 19: But again this is the interior of six' two o.
• 30:52
  Speaker 19: Nine the king bed is in six two, fifteen totally adjoining.
• 30:57
  Speaker 19: Rooms So i'll shuffe back to mine really. Quick so
• 31:02
  Speaker 19: again that's the king bed with the two side tables
• 31:05
  Speaker 19: and the two beds pushed.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: Together carnival provides options for family, lodging including adjoining, interior,
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: balcony ocean view and cove rooms on nearly every. Deck
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: in the Family harbor section of the ship caters to
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: parents with children that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: From Ask cooks on.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: YouTube but, Again hudson And kepner lay the blame on
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the sleeping arrangements on the travel agent Listen.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: Chantelle hudson testifies their travel agent recommended Teens Anna connor
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: and her sixteen year old son share a room While
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: hudson And christopher K captner sleep across the hall with
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: younger Daughters brook And. Kylie hudson says the teens were
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: all for, it describing them as the three. Amigos hudson
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: claims all three teens were to wear Grandparents barbara And
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: Jeffrey kapner had an extra bed in their room and
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: someone could sleep with.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Them WHEN i was looking at the layout that we
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: just showed, You i'm, Saying King Sidney, sumner the adjoining
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: rooms are highly, popular and as a matter of, fact
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: On carnival, cruises there's a whole area of the ship
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the cruise ship that caters too children that are traveling with,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: parents and it's a very common feature adjoining.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Rooms isn't that?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: True, yes it's very common Across carnival cruise ships on the.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Horizon nearly every single deck has adjoining rooms available to,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: passengers but they do sell out really. Quickly carnival says
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: these are their most popular, rooms and they encourage people
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: to book early if they're wanting accommodations like that because
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: they sell out so.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Quickly we are also, learning As Susan hendricks has told
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: us about a very contentious custody hearing and an emergency
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: hearing relating to taking the younger children away From Seantel
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: hudson listen to this arrangement.
• 32:58
  Speaker 14: Despite their written custody. Arrangement thomas Testifies chantell agrees to
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: exchange his then doesn't bring the children at the stipulated.
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: Times When chantelle does show With Christopher kepner in, Tow
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: kepner is the one to approach him and say the
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: children don't want to. Go thomas claims he gets no
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: unsupervised contact with the children and can hear them in
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: the background on speaker As chantell And chris tell him
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: they don't want to speak to.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Him crime stores With Nancy.
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: Grace shortly after his mom's, Move andrew says Shan tell
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: And kepner unexpectedly pick him up from. School in the,
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: Car chantell turns his phone, off explains they're heading To.
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: Titusville andrew says he doesn't want to. Go the sixteen
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: year old tries to get out of the, stoplight But
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: chantell And kepner put him in a chow called nearly
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: half an. Hour when they, Arrive andrew immediately calls his
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: where a dad who couldn't Reach andrew for hours after
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: the school notified. Him the team was picked, up drives
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: four hours round trip to return To shake And andrew.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Home Saysan, HENDRICKS i need a flow chart to figure
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: out who is who what? Happened AND i hear that
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: disturbing phrase choke hold used.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Again, yeah the suspected killer here at all of. This
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: his older, Brother andrew eighteen years, old said that he
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: was picked. Up it sounds like this has been going
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: on for quite a, while this nasty back and, forth testy.
• 34:26
  Speaker 20: Battle he was picked. Up he, said, NO i don't
• 34:27
  Speaker 20: want to go to my mom, KEEL i want to
• 34:30
  Speaker 20: stay with my. Biodebt they say, no you're staying, here
• 34:33
  Speaker 20: and he was put in a choke. Hold so WHEN
• 34:36
  Speaker 20: i heard, that WHEN i listened to that emergency, HEARING i,
• 34:39
  Speaker 20: thought is that what the suspects?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Saw is that why he knew how to do? That
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: and what's lost in?
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: This?
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Again nancy Is?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Anna how did she?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Die how did she literally slip through the cracks with
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: her parents right across the. Hall even if they just
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: heard that and didn't believe it from the ex boyfriend
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: that something went, on you knew that that was in
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the back of your, head and you put them in
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a room together unsupervised on a.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Cruise it's.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Unforgivable the carnival cruise teen, girl the little, cheerleader thought
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for her, life strangled, dead a mechanical.
• 35:15
  Speaker 19: Strangulation when is something going to, Happen when is there
• 35:18
  Speaker 19: going to be an, Arrested when are the answers going
• 35:20
  Speaker 19: to come?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Out and what Does Anna, keptner the teen cheerleaders biological,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: mother have to say about all of.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: This the relationship between.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Her bio mom and her bio, Dad Christopher, kepner who
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: was on that cruise with, her apparently across the hall
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: from her at the time she was strangled, dead has been.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Contentious to put it, Mildly, listen.
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: You cheated on me with twenty four other, women Including,
• 35:49
  Speaker 15: keaby and then he married her after she turned. Eighteen
• 35:52
  Speaker 15: And i'm not okay with, that mind YOU i say,
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: that But i'm not mad At. Tabitha tabitha is a great.
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: Person she was a mother to my daughter WHAT i couldn't.
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: Be by the Time anna is, Five Christopher kaepner is
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: having an affair with a teenage. Babysitter When Tabitha Donna
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: hugh turns, Eighteen chris marries her and they have two children.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: Together heather has a hard time maintaining a relationship With
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: anna due to the bitter divorce With chris.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: That from at Just mom nineteen eighty four TikTok joining
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: me right now is the bio, mom the biological mother
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Of Anna, ketner the teen cheerleader Sister Crystal, right thank
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you for being with, Us Miss.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Wright.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 21: Absolutely how is.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: The bio Mom Heather right handling everything that she is
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: learning about her daughter's.
• 36:52
  Speaker 16: DEATH i think you trying to keep it. Together she's
• 36:57
  Speaker 16: trying to be right for it and make sure that
• 37:01
  Speaker 16: those that are accountable are held.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Accountable what does she make of the fact there is
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: no arrest?
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: Yet he is beside, Herself but at the same, time she.
• 37:14
  Speaker 21: Just trying to tell herself that it's because they want
• 37:16
  Speaker 21: to make sure they get him properly charged and that
• 37:20
  Speaker 21: his charge is able to uphold in, court so that
• 37:23
  Speaker 21: he does take the.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Time joining us to shed some light on this For
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Crystal right And Heather right is a renowned cruise line.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Lawyer Is, Spencer Aaronfeld. Spencer right, now there's a game
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of hot potato being played between The feds and the.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: State and we don't know who is going to take in.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Jurisdiction what's going? On why they?
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Delay, okay so both the federal government and the state
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: can simultaneously if they choose to prosecute this young, man
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: and they both have different. Results he could be acquitted
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: in one convicted in the. Other and this is exactly what.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Happened if you Recall nancy in The Rodney king, case
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: he was prosecuted both in the federal and state court
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: and only was convicted in. One so both of these
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: prosecutors are probably fighting to have an opportunity to take this,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: case and both can't and probably will proceed with this
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: under the dual sovereignty.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Doctrine, well What i'm curious, About, Spencer Aaron, felden you're
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the expert in.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: This what is taking so?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Long and if the, stepbrother the teen stepbrother off his
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: meds is the target is the, suspect and they've been
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: very clear that he is nobody, else why hasn't he been.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Arrested my guess.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Is they're just trying to get their ducks in a.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: Row they may be waiting for the toxicology, report so you,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: KNOW i would rather them wait and get it together
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: and get it right then rush to file this and
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: risk the chance it might get dismissed on some.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Technicality or We're, spencer the defense could always slap the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: state with a speedy trial, demand which means the state's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: got to go forward within the next two typically next
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: two grand jury, sessions and if the state's not ready
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: when the charges are, brought they may face an acquittal
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: if there was a speedy trial.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Demand so you're.
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: Right, right and you're.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Right and THEN i hate to say, this but in
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: the midst of, all this Was, Thanksgiving christmas In New
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: YEAR'S i hate to think they're waiting to get through
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: the holidays to do, this but that is SOMETHING i
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: see frequently where they're, saying you know, what we'll tackle
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: this the beginning of twenty twenty, Six so there's that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Possibility oh my, STARS i hope you're.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: WRONG i mean To crystal, right this Is anna's maternal, Aunt.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Crystal the thought that everybody's taking a break Everything christmas
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And thanksgiving instead of handling this. Case that's disturbing To heather's.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Understanding what has she been? Told certainly law enforcement has
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Briefed Anna kaptner's biological mother about what.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Happened yet, No heather doesn't know anything.
• 40:15
  Speaker 21: Said she finds out from the.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: News she just sits and waits for the.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: News that is.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Horrible no one is speaking to her and telling her
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  Speaker 2: what happened to her. Daughter isn't it, True, crystal that
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the Biomom Heather right had to sneak into her own daughter's?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Memorial she.
• 40:35
  Speaker 21: Did chris had told her that if she attempted to
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: come that he was going to have her arrested for
• 40:39
  Speaker 21: back to hold support.
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: THEM i trying to call me and get a hold
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: of me and.
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: Anything when she. DIED i found out.
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: Through The, Google heather.
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: Says on top of Discovering anna died Through internet searches
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: instead of her, Father captainer also told her she wasn't
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: welcome At anna's celebration of life. Service she Claims captainer
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: threatened to have her arrested were a disguise to her
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: own daughter's memorial to she could say goodbye and. Peace
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: there is not mentioned In anna's obituary.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: From which two that is.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: HEARTBREAKING i mean to, You John, buehler you are a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: veteran homicide.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Detective can that be true.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: That the non custodial biological mother is calling law enforcement
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: asking about what happened to her daughter and they won't.
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: Tell, well it's certainly true that that can happen depending
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: on the detective you're dealing. With some have a little
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: bit more heart than others and are maybe willing to
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: talk to. Them but there may be some efforts by
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: the prosecutor to, say, hey, look we got to keep
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: some of this stuff under close to the vest and
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: we don't want you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: Talking to these.
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  Speaker 8: People but it really doesn't take into the human account
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: that you have to have for victims' families when it
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: comes to these. THINGS i know from personal, experience getting
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: a lot of family members involved can create some friction
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: in the, investigation but they have enough with on their
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: hands with a crime scene that was probably. Compromise you
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: got family loyalties that are conflicting with the, truth, interviews
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: and all sorts of. Things this really is a salad
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: bowl of all sorts of things that are difficult to
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: work with when you're putting a murder case.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Together the biological mother Hether, right has had nothing but
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: trouble since her split With.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Christopher Captain, Listen.
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  Speaker 15: Christopher made it next to impossible for me to have
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: a relationship with my. Daughter he made it extremely hard
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: for me to see. Her he would ignore my phone,
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: calls not Tell anna they, called and then call like
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: a week and a half two weeks later And, anna
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: like my. Mind he called, me And i'm, Like i've
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: been calling. You you didn't get any of my. Voicemails
• 42:48
  Speaker 15: your dad didn't let you listen to. Him, no he,
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: said you didn't called.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Tonight if you know or think you know anything about
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the death of teen Girl, Anna, captain please dial seven
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: five four seven zero three two, thousand anything that's been,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: said anything that you've, learned if you were on the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: cruise and you observe something seven five four seven zero
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: three two. Thousand we remember An American Hero, Officer Austin Cooley,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: kaufman P D, texas just twenty, seven killed in the
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  Speaker 2: line of, duty leaving behind his wife turned widow and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a three month old baby. Girl American Hero Officer Austin
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Muley Nancy gray signing off goodbye.
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  Speaker 13: Friend