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Free To Be You: Prophet Gift · The Father's Business Podcast

• 0:17
  Speaker 1: The Father's Business was founded by Sylvia Gunter to encourage people to a deeper relationship with God.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth Gunter Powell.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: And I am Kimberly Roddy.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the deeper relationship with God.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: I'm Elizabeth Gunter-Powell and I am Kimberly Roddy.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Father's Business.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Podcast.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: We are so glad that you've joined us.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to our podcast today.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: Today's podcast is all about the prophet gift, which you know from my personal humble opinion, is the best gift, because it's the one I have right, because we all think our gift is the best.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Kimberly, when we get to giver, you can say the giver gift is best, it's fine, it's fine, I'll let you do that.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: But, as we said in the intro that we did last week, everyone thinks their gift is the way that everyone should be Like.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: The world would be a better place if everyone just thought like me, right, because then there'd be a lot less conflict and people would understand me better.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: But that would be absolutely horrible if the entire world was a private gift, trust me.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: But we are so excited today to have with us our dear friend Karen DeLay.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: She has been a part of our RUAP leadership team for many, many years and if you've been to one of our conferences in the past, you'll remember her as she has helped lead our profit group when we have our breakout sessions.
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  Speaker 1: She also is a member of the Father's Business Board, so we are very grateful for everything that she does to help us out at the Father's Business, and so I am super excited that Kimberly, who's unfortunately surrounded by profits today, gets to interview the two of us about the profit gift.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: Before we get started in this interview, I want to share with you briefly, just to highlight some key aspects of the profit gift.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: Again, in last week's episode we covered all the gifts, but just to highlight the profit gift real quick.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: A couple of characteristics.
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: One leadership is everything.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: These prophets, especially knowing Elizabeth of Cairndelay they lead even when they're not supposed to lead.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: It's like breathing.
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  Speaker 2: They do it without thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: They can initiate, they can take the lead, and it's a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: They're also very fast processors.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: They assess situations quickly, they make decisions, they jump to conclusions.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: It can be a good thing or a bad thing, right ladies?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they often feel like they want people to catch up with where they are in the conversation because they're just moving.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: They're at a very rapid, quick pace.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: They're all about efficiency.
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  Speaker 2: So when they walk into places, they can tell you how things should be done differently and better, to be more efficient.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Their gift is always thinking about how to do things different and better.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: They have a fountain of ideas, a constant flow of new ideas.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: They're ready to finish the thing they're with because they've already got ideas about the next thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited that you get to hear from these two ladies today, so let's jump in.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: So, karen DeLay and Elizabeth, I'd love to ask you what is it that you love about being a prophet?
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: So, karen DeLay, I'll let you kick us off there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love to talk about this because when people look at women that are profit gift, sometimes I feel like that's frowned upon.
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: So I love to talk a little bit about what I feel like are the positive things about being profit gift, and when I think about profit gift, I think about a lot of words that start with E pop up in my mind excellence, efficiency.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: Those are the things that I think about profit gift.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: I think about a lot of words that start with E pop up in my mind Excellence, efficiency.
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: Those are the things that I think about because that's my end point every single day of my life is that when I wake up, my thoughts are how can I walk through this world today and exhibit excellence?
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: How can I walk through this world today in an efficient way where I can maximize my time that I have today?
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: And so those are just some of the things that I love about being prophet, and that all translates into how I lead people.
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: This gift is not a gift that's in a silo.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: We're going to be interacting with people all day long, typically, whether we're in our work, whether we're in the grocery store, wherever we are, and so it's translates for me into.
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: How am I going to take those words or those ways that I do life and translate that into relationship that I'm in every day?
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: But I absolutely agree with that, and one of the first words I was going to say is efficiency.
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: I love efficiency, and that sounds like such a boring word.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: It's not boring at all.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: If I can get things done in a better, more excellent way than the last time I did them and it takes less time.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: That is a very good day to me.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: But I also I love the creativity of the profit gift that there are more ideas popping through my head than I could ever accomplish in a lifetime, and it drives my husband crazy sometimes because he's like you're always thinking of another project.
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: I was like I can't help it.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: It's just the way my brain works, because when I interact in the world, when I go out in public or I go to an event, I am constantly.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do it, but it just happens.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the way things are done and my brain is thinking how can we do that better?
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: How can it impact more people?
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: How can it be done more efficiently?
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  Speaker 1: You know they could open up another lane at the store and then more people could get checked out faster, like it is just this constant thing, and I can hear my husband also saying to me sometimes it's like there you go trying to make everything better again and I was like I'm sorry and I just verbalize it before I even know it sometimes, but I love the bigness of this gift.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, karen DeLay Sometimes it's hard as a female to be this gift, because it feels like a very dominant and a very strong gift.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of leadership in this gift that I love being a leader, but there is this craving for bigger horizons and larger dreams and bigger visions that I absolutely do enjoy about this gift.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: You know we also all have parts of ourselves that we don't like, and I know that we all struggle with, like there's the best part of our gift and the worst part of our gift.
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: So what would you say is that part of your gift that you really struggle with?
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: In light of what you've just said, that's really beautiful and amazing about the gift.
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: Karen DeLay, you want to go first?
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that again, listening to the podcast this past week and catching up on a few of them, because I was a little behind listening to you guys talk about gentleness and kindness, I think one of the traps that a profit gift can get into is that, because efficiency and excellence and all these words we've mentioned are kind of our end point.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: Every day we have a mission.
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  Speaker 3: I wake up in the morning and I have a mission and I can see the end point.
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  Speaker 3: I have that vision in my head on what this day is supposed to look like, how I can get all of my tasks accomplished, how beautiful it's going to be.
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: I have it all projected and then, of course, we know it's never going to go that way, right.
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: And so when I have these bumps in the road and typically these bumps involve people how do I handle those bumps in the road?
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: You know what does the end point?
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  Speaker 3: What I can get stuck in is as I'm drawing others to walk this excellent path that I'm walking.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: It is I'm drawing others into what does it look like to do things well or do things efficiently.
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: I get caught in the task and forget sometimes about the feelings of others.
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe they can't catch up to what I'm doing, that I haven't maybe cast the vision well and they don't understand where I'm trying to go, and so I can come across as harsh, come across as uncaring.
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: It's never my intent and that's one of the things I wish people understood more was about.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: You know what is my motivation?
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: My motivation is never to ever walk into a room or walk into a situation and ever hurt anyone.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: My motivation is to I see the vision, I want to accomplish that and I want to bring everyone along that I can.
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: But again, when we get to obstacles because I'm trying to get there a lot of times I'm being a little bit harsher than I need to be, and so I have to stop myself, realize that they're in a different place than I am.
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: If I'm being a good leader, I'm going to catch them up to where my vision is, so that we can do this together, as opposed to me sounding more like I'm reprimanding or I'm getting onto or I'm being critical of their performance.
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: And I think again with the one fruit of the spirit you didn't mention there, karen DeLay, was patience.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: It's very hard when you do run life at a fast pace and you do feel like either things the computer's not working as fast as it should or people aren't on the same page with you.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: That is where that uglier side of the profit can come out.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: It can also be very, very black and white sometimes, when gray is needed.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: I think in most things in a profit's mind, there is a right and there is a wrong, and I mean even down to Kimberlyn and I joke about this, and this is not just my gift, but others do it there's a right way and a wrong way to load a dishwasher.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: There just is, and so it's learning how to tone down the rough edges.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: And one of the things I don't like about being a profit gift is even sometimes when I'm trying to be a good leader and trying to communicate with a team, I come off a lot stronger.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: And the phrase that I hear a lot is it's not what you said, it's your tone, and I'm like I don't hear the tone.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to have a tone, but the tone is there and I think some of that does come out of that intense passion for everything to be done with excellence.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: We can sometimes come across as very critical and judgmental of others if they're not meeting this bar of excellence, but we're also pretty critical with ourselves and I think that's the other thing I struggle with the most about the gift is as critical as I can be and look at other things and say you could have done that better.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: That inner voice inside of me telling me that I could be doing everything better is very, very loud and it's really.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: It's a battle and a struggle to lean into the grace of Jesus and go.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: You're not going to do everything with excellence because you yourself are not excellent.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: You know Jesus is excellent.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of self-talk and a lot of critical self-talk that goes on on the inside.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: That I kind of wish that was not a part of the gift, but I can see that it is.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: It's just part of this passion for excellence and wanting to do things well.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: You both have alluded here to things that you wish people understood or you wish were different.
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  Speaker 2: This is a gift.
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  Speaker 2: It's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a gift.
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  Speaker 2: It's a God-given gift.
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  Speaker 2: It's a design.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: If you could just really from your heart say here's what I wish people really understood.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: Like Elizabeth you were just mentioning, like the way that you're critical of yourself and Karen DeLay you were talking about like just wishing people understood the true motivation behind how you come across sometimes.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: Speak about that a little bit more.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Add to that what you wish people really understood about the gift and the internal design there.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: I'll hop in on this one.
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  Speaker 1: I wish people knew I have feelings.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of time because I'm focused on task or I'm focused on efficiency or vision or project those are more logical sounding things and also because my gift is strong.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: I have heard more than once well, because you're a prophet, you can take it.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: And then they say something very blunt to me and I'm like I get it.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: I have also been blunt myself because I haven't taken the time to take a breath and really understand the whole situation, what's going on somewhere.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: But there is a very soft, tender side to a profit gift and emotions run deep.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: But what we choose to do is push through the emotions and get the task done.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean the emotions are not there.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean the emotions are not there.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: And so, as much as I need to be more gracious and understanding with the other gifts and understand, I can kind of come in like a bull in a china shop sometimes and have the ability to hurt people.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: I wish people understood more that I take things to heart very deeply when I'm criticized, and part of that is because I already have my own inner critic going, and so whatever criticism I do get just is added to the chorus I already have going on inside of me.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that resonates really deeply, Elizabeth, because when I think about what a mature profit gift looks like, it's strength with gentleness.
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: What a mature profit gift looks like, it's strength with gentleness.
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  Speaker 3: And so because we are stronger people and can handle a lot, we give the perception that we can handle just anything.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: And I would say we can't handle a lot and that is our gift.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, we put our head down our faces like flint and we're going to push through it.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: But on the other side, there's an emotional toll to that sometimes and I don't think people understand, as Elizabeth said, that we do have feelings, we have these internal dialogues, we're having the internal struggle.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: We're just not showing it to you because the profit gift doesn't do that.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: They show their strength.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: And so if someone understood that there is an emotional being inside this edifice of strength, and again, our motivation is never to walk into whatever we're doing.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Again, if I'm leading a group of people, which I do every day in my daily job, if I'm doing that, I don't walk in every morning saying how can I run over or hurt purposefully or do to anyone.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: There's never a motivation for that.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: The motivation is I have a job to do today, I want to do it with excellence.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: I want to bring people alongside me and sometimes, when we're in four different streams of thought which prophets are a lot of times I don't have time to sit down and explain.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: I just need you to get with the program and come on along with me.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: And so I think that all of that is so misunderstood about the prophet.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: And, yeah, I would love it if someone could.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: I'd love it if someone could get in my head occasionally and just share some of the journeys that I'm taking in my head, because I can't I don't always have time to externally express that.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: But there's always internal dialogue, always internal dialogue going on about the like, I said, four or five streams that I'm floating in every single day, Karen, like you talking about wishing people could hear your internal dialogue going on about the like, I said, four or five streams that I'm floating in every single day.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Karen, are you talking about wishing people could hear your internal dialogue Reminds me.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: It's not a funny story, but it's funny now because it happened at least 20 years ago.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I was spending time with a therapist and one day she just she's like, well, for our next session, why don't you write a letter to yourself and bring it in and read it?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay, and so I brought the letter in and I read it and I looked up after I was finished reading it and she just had this shocked look on her face and she's like did you just hear what you said to yourself?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: What?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Like this is normal.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: This is what's going on inside my head all the time.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: And she was appalled that I would talk to myself that way.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, and at that time I didn't understand the gifts as I do now, and so I couldn't even help her understand what was going on.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I was like I just thought everyone talked to themselves like this on the inside, and I think to some degree, we all do, but I think she, looking back, she was a mercy gift and she was just absolutely appalled that I would talk to myself that way.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to learn to be kinder even to my own self, much less other people.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, elizabeth made she made reference to it earlier.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: We are definitely harder on ourselves than we are other people.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Now that is hard for other people to understand.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine that we would be harder on ourselves than we are other people.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Now that is hard for other people to understand.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine that we would be hard on ourselves than we are on them.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: But we truly are in the just not I mean the self-doubt at times, but just that again, that just kind of harsh critic, that more judgmental critic can be rolling in my head all day long.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I just want to do things well, and so I can constantly be criticizing how I'm doing things or how I'm getting things executed because of that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: So you know, we spend time in that torture chamber.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: They just think they do.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important to also mention like you two in particular I mean you're dear friends of mine and you both really care about trying to grow and be better in your gift and be better in your personality and be better, grow spiritually and be more aligned and in tune with the spirit and walking this out.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And of course, none of us do that perfectly.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: But but we have to remember, in this space where we're trying to talk about like we need to recognize there are prophets out there who may not care as much.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, and there's a maturity and a growth and a healthy and an unhealthy.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: And so if you're listening to this and there's a prophet in your life, you're like, well, they don't care at all.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe there's some spiritual work that they need to do and that may not be yours to manage for them.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: That's the prophets to manage.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: But I want to recognize that we're trying to talk on a more healthy, growth-oriented perspective and how to walk in this step with the Spirit, with our gift.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth, do you want to add anything to that?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I mean all the gifts, apart from the guidance of God and the Holy Spirit can be quite ugly.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But of all of them I would say prophet would be up there towards the top.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It can be very harsh, very judgmental, very demanding and I know a lot of people have been very wounded by prophet gifts and on behalf of prophet gifts I just want to say I'm sorry, that's not the reflection of who God is as prophet.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be about a calling up and a calling forth and encouraging people to the next level in their walk with God.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And I mean, even if you look in our religious culture, a lot of what you see being represented as Christianity is a lot of this black or white, right or wrong.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to sit in the place of judgment over you type of feeling that people can feel from a prophet gift when it's not being controlled by the Holy Spirit.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So that's definitely a very good point.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I live with a in my sphere of family, a prophet gift, who is not being led by the Holy Spirit, and this particular person scares me sometimes, and I've been a prophet gift for 61 years.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: So even to someone who is prophet, if you are around someone who is not listening to the Holy Spirit for guidance, it can be really, really hard.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It can be really hard.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to piggyback on top of that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: So in light of that, here's another follow-up question kind of along the lines of what we're talking about how can you see that you have hurt others by your gift?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: We were talking about that a little bit a second ago.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: But elaborate on that just a minute or two, even when it's unintentional, what are some specific ways you guys do that?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: On that just a minute or two, even when it's unintentional.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: What are some specific ways you guys do that?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes I jump in too quickly with my opinion or an answer or a fix, because I want to be helpful and they're saying what do you think about this?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And I immediately start blurting out an opinion before really taking the time to hear the heart of the person behind the question of what they're asking.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Or I can expect other people to live their lives like me rather than understanding.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: There's seven different gifts and while I value this and I see the world this way, they don't.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: They have their own set of values.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: They have their own way they see the world and the way they're seeing it isn't necessarily wrong and I'm not always right, but I can come across this feeling that I mean because it's the only viewpoint I know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I think my viewpoint is the best and right all the time, and so it's learning to be more gracious and just slow down is a lot of what I need to do sometimes, because I think I can also, in the urgency, to get the task done and get it done well.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: You can run over people.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: One of the other blind spots, I think, of a prophet gift is that we can be very judgmental, and that has been a laboratory that Jesus has been putting me in for a very long time about.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: What am I doing with that?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Where's that judgmentalness coming from?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Where's that arrogance that I know best and that no one else can do things as well?
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Where does that come from in me?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that he's taught me, because, again, he's put me in this lab a lot on my day in, day out, just everyday interactions because of my job, I'm interacting with some people that are very well educated, socioeconomically, they're very high up, and I'm dealing with folks that are struggling to even put food on their table or they live in more marginalized communities.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And I you know professing that there were days where I would be judgmental at times of folks that just couldn't understand or grasp different concepts or came from more marginalized communities, until the Lord started really pressing in on this judgmental piece of me and now I look at them in a completely different light and try to understand where they've come from, try to understand what piece of education they have or had not, and then where can I enter into their life and just be the love of God, just be the love of Jesus to them.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That judgmental piece of me I have to be so intentional there, because that is a great default, I think, for a prophet to get into and so again I feel like that's part of that sanctification piece that God has been putting me through over the years is putting me in situations where I can, instead of coming to some conclusions immediately, like Elizabeth said, instead of jumping quickly into conclusion land, maybe step back and ask more questions, step back and again, just listen to people and hear people and hear their voice and that's not something I would have done 20 years ago, for sure voice and that's not something I would have done 20 years ago for sure.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, how do you guys see your gift really impacting others, impacting your family, your workplace, the ministries you're involved in, your social environments, you're involved in just the world, the culture around you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: How do you see your gift?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: impacting others in a really strong, positive way.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Impact others in a really strong, positive way, I think.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: For me, one of the things that I love about being Profit Gift is that we are definitely the cheerleader for the underdog.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: We love taking people who have either not had opportunity or people who have not believed in themselves, and express to them, show them and again bring them along this path that we're walking, that you can be more than you think you can be, or God has so much more for you than what your mind is thinking about right now, and just be part of that journey of developing people.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: That's what I get to do on a daily basis with the team of people that I get to work with, because they're quite younger than I am, and so I get a great opportunity of taking young women and showing them and speaking into their life that there's just so much more, and encouraging them and trying to keep them from being afraid just to step into that more, and so I really feel like that adds a profit gift, because I'm adventurous, I mean I want to go to that land of more all the time, and so I want to take that next adventure.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I can get excited about that, and then they catch that enthusiasm to some degree and they'd want to come along, sometimes with trepidation, but they do want to come along a lot of times as well.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: How?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: about you Elizabeth.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very similar.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It's funny Karen DeLay and I are of one mind because I was about to say the same thing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I love being a champion for the underdog.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I also love coming along emerging leaders and helping them take that next growth step.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I think profits in general love those two categories of people, people that are just kind of okay, maintaining the status quo and just kind of moseying along in life.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: They're not as attractive to prophet gifts, but I think what we bring to the body of Christ is this invitation that God is bigger than you think he is and you are far more than you think you are.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And I mean honestly.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: All of Ruach.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Journey was created by two prophet gifts who wanted people to understand the bigger place they have in God and in God's kingdom and how can they be celebrated more and how can they can be called forth to be more of who God designed them to be and created them to be.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And so I love doing that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I love coming alongside a person, coaching them along the way, casting a vision for dreaming a bigger dream, thinking of another, creative way, of how can you communicate the love that God has for his people in a different way where they can get it more, experience it more, feel it more.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: One person often jokes with me.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: They're like if you're going to get anywhere, someone has to drive.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, you're right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: If, if you're going to get anywhere, someone has to drive, I'm like, well, yeah, you're right, if we're ever going to get anywhere, someone has to drive.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So I think also that profit gift is a good driver for the body of Christ.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I think we are the ones that are saying, hey, we've never done it this way before, and those words are exciting to me.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: This has never been done before.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Awesome, let's go.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Whereas some of the other gifts may be a little anxious about.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Well, don't we need to have a plan?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, we'll kind of figure it out as we go.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Those are the fun ways.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, my brain is going 100 miles an hour with six different plans of how we can make it happen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: So I think we are in the body of Christ to call people up and out and into more than what they could imagine.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: When I think about and this kind of, I think, parallels with the question as well.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories in Scripture is actually the woman caught in adultery and just how Jesus dealt with her.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: There is so much wrapped up in the story.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: But when I think about Jesus as prophet because I love doing that I love taking the stories from scripture and then seeing how did his prophet gift show up, how did his mercy gift show up?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: You know how did he show up in the fullness of all seven gifts.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And you know, when you think about the woman that was caught in adultery, jesus showed such mercy but because here she is the underdog, he's going to champion for her, he is fighting for her, but he does it in such gentle ways, but he speaks such wonderful truth.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, these men that were going to persecute her just slowly drop their rocks because they hear truth, but they hear it in gentleness.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: It's not like Jesus is screaming and railing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: He's just speaking truth so boldly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: She hears it as well, but she's heard it in such a loving way that she feels that love from him.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And then in the end he says okay, now, where do your keys stand?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: They're not around.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Now go and sin no more Again.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: He's constantly speaking truth, but he's calling her up to a higher place from where she is there, and he's doing it with such gentleness, and I think that's one reason I love that story for so many reasons but I love the way that he gives me an example of how to love people well, speak truth and call them up to a place because of what he's done for me.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I just want to share that with other people.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: That kind of answers the question how do you see God's character in your gift, elizabeth?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Do you want to piggyback on anything like scripture-wise or where you see God's character of prophet showing up?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Anything in addition to what Karen DeLay just said?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, karen DeLay, I also love looking through scripture and going.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Where do you see God's prophet-ness?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You know, where does he show up in my gift?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And I go all the way back to creation, where there was nothing and God said let there be light.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: There had never been a concept of light before, there had never been a concept of anything that he was about to speak forth into creation and all the many different things that you think that he created.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: In those seven days there was nothingness and he spoke it forth.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden there's this beautiful world that we all now live in, with all the animals and the climates and the plants, and then even us, you know as humans when he created Adam and Eve, and there's just so much glory that he wants to speak out into not only creation but over his people.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And that's what I love partnering with him is when you're at the store or you're talking with your friends and you see something in them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You see that diamond in the rough.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: You see that thing in them that God is trying to call forth, and you get to be a part of that and say this is what I see in you and this is what I celebrate about you, and so that really is a lot of the heartbeat behind where Rock Journey came from is we want everyone to know the deep value that they have, that each one of us are an original masterpiece and there's no one like any one of us on the earth except us, with our personality, with our gifts, with our talents, with everything that he's breathed into each one of us as individuals, and so I love his infinite creativity and his abundance, because, you know, he didn't just create one type of spider, he created over 10,000 species of spiders.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think we need 10,000 species of spiders personally, but everything he did and does, he does in abundance, and that whole thing that we keep circling around, this idea of more, and he's always wanting to do more.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He is the god of more and I'm so glad that we get to be a part of calling that forth and other people.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Anything else you guys want to add before I wrap us up.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It's the best gift ever.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I will edit that part out.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: If everyone would just be a profit gift, the world would be a much simpler place.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: My life would be so good.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I'd be so tired.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: We take naps.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: We need time alone.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: All the time.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to thank you both for your insight today and your wisdom and your stories and your vulnerability.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: This series is called the Free to Be you series and I appreciate the profit gift in both of you and I just thank you both for sharing with us today.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: So I hope that our listeners really take a lot away from this.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So thank you both today and, if you want to learn more about your gift, we welcome you to join us for our Ruach Journey 2 conference in October.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: The details are on our website at thefathersbusinesscom.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Click on the events link there and you can sign up.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You can learn more and we would love to have you join us there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for listening to the Father's Business Podcast.
• 32:13
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• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you.