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Talks to the magnificent Jack Coyer about his enforced torture of Timelash (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker
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  quicker. Quicker prepare the timeless
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  commentary. Welcome back to the hamster
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  world. Blunt pen knife, the Internet's
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  number one Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Until someone starts another one.
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  Join me me is mail in Ford. Fellow Mail in Ford.
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  Yes, hello. The cliche around me is that I
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  always depart with a scream. So Speaking of awful departures,
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  we've just had the cliffhanger for Part 1 a time.
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  Determined was, you know, in tinsel terms, very scary.
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  Yes, I suppose we're now going to get to part 2A timeless,
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  which is scary in its own sort of you me quite not always
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  positive when you first watched oh this game season 2010.
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  So when you first watched your stories, what did you watch?
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  Any of them in order or they the.
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  Videos. They were literally coming out
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  so randomly. This is why I can't understand
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  people that just binge it on the iPad in order because my
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  experience of it was putting together a big jigsaw all out of
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  orders and time Dash was one of the last VHSS.
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  Well, who's why? Why would be deprived?
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  Yeah, but Revenge of the Sidemen was the 1st.
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  I mean, there were some odd choices.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's at least, you know, Tom and and Malaysian
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  and Harry. So you may say it's more
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  familiar with all the elements from the show's heyday.
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  When So we've done a little bit as well about Joe Graun, who
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  didn't really mention much in Part 1.
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  We've seen the Locket that has yeah publicity still of Katie
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  Marion and they are a lock of Joe Grand's hair for some reason
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  was in the Locket. I mean, she did have a habit,
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  you know, fall in love with inhabitants on planets.
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  So. Maybe she just went oh to.
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  Remember Me by Here's a Locket and a lock of my hair.
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  What? When you watch Time Lash for the
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  first time, were you aware that this was an invention for this
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  story, or were you thinking of Great No.
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  Oh, OK. No, because because I had
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  absolutely studied the programme guide in depth, so I knew about
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  every Doctor Who story. So I kind of spoiled myself
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  really. Why did you think this was a a
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  sequel to an old story? Yeah, well, I don't think I'd
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  watched every John Pedro story by the time I've watched this,
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  so I probably just assumed that that this was coming somewhere.
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  I don't know where or why or how, but so this is the Third
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  Doctor, Joe Grant as opposed to, you know, it was originally
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  meant to be obviously Hartnell and Ian, Barbara and Susan,
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  which makes sense because we've obviously had Totters Lane in in
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  South Sidemen and we've obviously had, you know, a lot
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  of elements from the past throughout most of the season.
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  And obviously that fits with the Paul Barrow line that we
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  mentioned about. Oh, there's only one of you this
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  time, you know, which doesn't add up.
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  Why? Why do you Would you have rather
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  it been Hartnell, Ian, Barbara and Susan, for whatever it's
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  worth, or are you happy with it? I know they tried to sort of
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  shove the entire universe in that corner of Lime Grove in the
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  60s, but I refuse to believe that, you know that fabulous
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  first team would ever visit anywhere as drab and as
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  pointless as Carl fell. Well, yeah, I know.
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  I mean, it's funny that we've just had the 2nd Doctor and
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  Jamie if you think maybe this is, this is an environment more
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  suited to them. Obviously we mentioned the
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  Crotons as an earlier example because it is a Robert Holmes
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  script. Maybe this could have sat in
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  season. I mean, I'm sure we could have
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  definitely played in season 5. You could absolutely imagine
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  Deborah Watling being memised by the the ball out wanting to mate
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  with Victoria. I suppose you could imagine the.
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  Sets would have been better in season 5.
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  You. Know yes, or at least in black
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  and white would have probably helped help.
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  I mean half of it is in white anyway.
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  He probably wouldn't have to even change that much.
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  I mean the obvious superficial reason why it's John Perter
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  preferred Dr. and Joe Kwan is his post John.
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  It's John Perter, and in 1985, John Pertwy is television's
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  Doctor Who, isn't he? Because Tom Baker is a little
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  bit of a recluse. Peter Davidson's just finished
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  but didn't really want to do have much to do with it at this
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  point. Tom Baker is doing Parkinson.
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  Terry Wilkin, this is your life. You know, all this sort of, you
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  know, nonsense generation game, whatever type shows he's turning
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  up in the velvet Cape and the jacket and, you know, going
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  hello, it's me. I am Doctor Who man and have.
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  You been John Pertwee, you said Tom Baker then.
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  I said John, I said Tom Baker was a bit of a recluse.
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  No, you just. Said Tom Baker was turning up in
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  his velvet jacket. No, John Pertwee was turning up
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  in a velvet jacket so Tom Baker. Tom Baker wouldn't be in bed and
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  and that sort of thing. But now, so the idea is John
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  Pertwee is television's Doctor Who and that's, I think the
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  cymical ploy that there. I wouldn't dare suggest that
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  Eric Fairwell and JMP have resorted to cymbal market
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  employees or anything, but there was a slightly worrying streak
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  of reminding people that Colin Baker is the Sick Doctor rather
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  than the Doctor. So here's Patrick South, and
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  here's this, here's that. Here's John Burnsley.
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  Here's Jamie mentions of Tegan the.
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  Terrible load all these. Old.
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  Stories. Yeah, that's what he's talking
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  about. The films and here's written and
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  here's this, that and the other. Regeneration is mentioned more
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  times I think in season 22 than any other point.
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  Yeah, so it's just if this were a sequel to a pre-existing fan,
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  it would possibly have some interesting areas to play in.
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  But as it is, it just reads as a market employee to go, hey,
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  guys, I know you don't like this doctor, but here's a painting of
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  one of the old doctors, you know, And it's just, you know.
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  It wouldn't be too much of A stretch, would it, to have this
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  to have been a sequel to the Thai monster.
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  I've returned to Atlantis with similar Thai monster with this
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  similar sort of, you know, boring mat sets, theatrical
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  performances. And then you could just say,
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  right, this villain, the Borads come to Atlantis and started
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  doing time experiments. Yeah, every word you just said
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  was about it for my heart. But now imagine we've saw in
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  with Pitt being seduced by Roger Delgado.
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  Imagine in with Pitt being seduced by Paul Darrow.
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  Imagine the sparks that would fly.
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  Doctor Who would peak there. It wouldn't get any better than
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  that. I didn't think it could be
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  better than her and Roger Delgado, but Pete and Darrow.
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  Prepare. The honeymoon suite.
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  I'll ask you a question. Yes, well, you have to informate
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  to a performer. Conversation, I suppose it's the
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  only way we learn. And that is, Well, I mean, I
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  learn from you. You don't learn from me.
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  My cue points go up when I talk to you.
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  Yours plummet spectacularly. But my question is, I'm glad you
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  agreed. My question is, is Can you
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  imagine another Doctor Who story that double climaxes quite as
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  dramatically as Time Lash? Can I imagine a Doctor Who sort
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  of runs out plot after 15 minutes?
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  I'm trying to think what's the most an event for finalists.
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  So if you imagine this being a 25 minute, what's what's the
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  least eventful final 25 minutes of a classic?
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  So whether it be a part 4, part 6, part, whatever.
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  Least eventful? The Dominators?
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  No, there's a there's a volcano blowing up in that.
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  That's a toffee. I mean, you can't say this is
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  uneventful. No, no.
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  But in terms of the actual final, what would be the final
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  25 minutes? I thought in a way Part 2 is
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  almost saved by being 50 minutes because it sort of doesn't.
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  It doesn't contain all the bits in the Part 3 or 4.
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  I mean, do you suppose if this was 25 minutes long then maybe
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  the twist? Of the Borat is still alive.
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  And he's got Perry by the throat.
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  That would be the cliffhanger. Well, I think jumping by
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  timings, I think the Part 3 cliffhanger would just be the
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  reveal of the ball ad I think that I mean it.
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  Wouldn't be a singer though, wouldn't.
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  It that's around Part 3 I think well, I don't I will have to
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  time it when we get in but I thought that's about 20 odd
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  minutes but. Should we dive into this gem?
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  Yeah, the quicker it's in, the quicker it's out.
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  I'll say gem. Yeah.
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  It's a very idiosyncratic gem. Well, shall I count as in?
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  Yes, please do. What 5432?
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  10. Off we go.
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  Oh, Colin, there he is. Yeah, smiling away, not knowing
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  what he's about to be involved in.
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  It's so funny on the behind the sofas because Janet Fielding
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  objects to the smiles and the winks, doesn't she?
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  Yeah, well, I mean, you know which, if you watch Femi
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  Tigram's story, you would probably go, yeah, that's
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  someone who's objecting to smiling, beaming Bob, you bitch.
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  You starting episode one with a bitchy comment.
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  Oh, here we go, Dara and Baker, right?
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  We're in safe hands here, Jack. Yeah, so is.
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  Yeah, a little bit of a reply is obviously better into Part 2.
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  Do you? Know can I just say this?
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  Look out for this scene all right, because it's my favorite.
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  Scene in the whole. Story where that dreadful old
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  creep runner, you can just see him behind there.
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  Look sort of looking why he turned up for work today.
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  Where? He changed him.
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  To the Borats in a sanctum. And he thinks he's going to be
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  like, puffing him up in front of the Borat and yeah, he just
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  goes. And you are the traitor, doesn't
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  he totally exposes. He's like, no ticker no.
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  Yeah, Now I don't mean to go all in the beam, I mean, but I think
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  you're fine. This characters name is Kendron.
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  Runner Kendron. I mean, I'm dazzled.
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  I don't know how you forget all the.
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  Then. I don't honestly remember, but I
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  do remember that this is Kempton.
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  Kempton, who has the best line delivering the whole story and
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  we'll get to him when we get to him.
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  Does he? Yes, not in a good way, but.
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  Oh, watch this action sequence in Long Shot.
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  I mean, Pennant, what are you doing?
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  Oh no, there's a few close-ups of people being knocked out and
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  things. Yeah, and the mirror obviously
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  would get the mirror out. Of the straight out the.
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  Door. Did you see him?
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  I'm out there. This is not going my way.
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  Like the valley of him him probably in the over the phone.
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  Just dash him now. Why does the mirror scare the
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  androids? Because they're not the ball.
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  They should be the ball out. Just that, Sir, I think that
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  bother. The Androidis, but he's not the
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  prettiest Android I've ever seen.
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  We must like all the other ones. Is no different from.
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  He ended up in Kowdor City, you know, and he saw those robots
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  from the sand miner and he was like, what the fuck was going on
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  with my designer? Yeah.
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  So I could say Tom Maker Climbaker almost fell into the
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  time last year, but. He's going in soon, you know.
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  Yes. Well, yes, well.
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  Why are we watching Nicola O'Brien?
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  Yeah, with a restraint around her neck.
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  Oh. See, you're a little bit ahead
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  of me because I'm my Matt Nicola O'Brien.
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  Yeah. I was wondering where we were.
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  OK, So, yeah, just gone back a little bit.
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  Yes. You're you're hurting me.
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  It was a great thing for the companion to say.
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  It's. Horrible that what is going on.
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  We're being LED like a dog in the sort of those stranger.
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  It's when I see things like that, when I look back to
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  Stephen, BS like brilliant run in the season. 22.
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  Strictly. And I'm like, yeah, he's right.
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  She's treated appallingly. Yes, it's I mean, Stephen's been
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  been telling you man, but I've been no more so than the one
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  here chastised the likes of this and the twin.
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  Did you? See that he went use my time web
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  to rot the doors. So many space webs.
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  See, we'll get back to the HG Wells then.
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  So Herbert's just offered to help the he's offered to go into
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  the Time Lash instead of the Doctor.
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  Now this would be a good moment. I mean, the question is when
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  does the Doctor find out that Herbert is HG Wells?
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  That's not explicitly clear. If it was clear from the outset
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  that the Doctor knew who he was, then the Doctor could make the
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  choice, the heroic choice to go into the time lash himself to
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  solve because you need to preserve HG Wells as a man of
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  history. So you could have that dilemma
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  of, I mean, I need to go into a torn ash because if we lose him,
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  that's a paradox and he. Drops his card at some point,
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  doesn't he? He goes, oh, he dropped this.
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  Yeah, at some point off the screen we don't see him.
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  I do like the reveal coming at the end though, because it gives
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  the audience or the kiddie wings the chance to be clever and
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  figure it out themselves, you know?
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  Oh, we'll, we'll, we'll get to the end then, which is the whole
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  confession, but. I would.
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  Have done this set though with these bizarre hexagons and then
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  the sort of lazily draped tinsel about.
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  I mean, I would have put a massive effect over this so you
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  can barely see any of it. Yeah, what are are you referring
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  to the Season 22 box set special edition?
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  That's the one. They tied it up a bit, didn't
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  they? But it was, you know, like I
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  said off Mike, gold leaf in a turd.
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  Yeah, they'll just like, well, just blur everything.
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  We can't do anything with this stuff.
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  Blur everything have you ever had to, as the doctors doing
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  right now, straddle beams that are sticking out of the office.
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  Once or twice, yes. If I'm honest, rock climbing is
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  a particular favorite activity of mine, and that's actually
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  serious. I have done a bit of rock
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  climbing. Well, if you're making a Doctor
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  Who adventure theme park, you could have a sort of a Doctor
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  Who version of centre parks. You could have a time lash.
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  What climbing wall? All you need over this is the
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  Crystal Maze music that that fella did on.
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  Pip Haley did on because it looks as cheap as The Crystal
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  Maze. Oh yeah, now imagine Pecker
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  being played by Rich O'Brien. You have a crystal mains with
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  me. Yeah, Crystal, that's right.
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  And Ed, you the pole, but less entertaining.
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  The whole idea of this was dangling him into the time.
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  That's right. As an idea, it's very exciting.
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  Yeah, I mean, Beam is clearly excited.
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  He's dangling on the edge of oblivion.
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  And now we have Perry, who appears to be trapped in a
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  German Expressionist film, which was thought it's very grey and
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  we've sort of tilted, tilted the set of 45° handle.
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  I think Pennant JNT went at Pennant.
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  You haven't done one awful shot in this thing.
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  Just throw one in please in the afternoon.
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  Yeah. So, OK, so now we have Herbert
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  again. You know, it's a nice gesture
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  from Herbert, but I think knowing that he was HG Wells
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  would probably add to the you have to be a Vista because there
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  is a sort of element of this person can't die in the same way
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  that, you know, she says on that the Falcon rocks or the, you
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  know, or any of these other people could die.
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  You know we have to keep Herbert alive.
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  It is unbelievable that this horrifically embarrassing and
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  cheap set piece, yeah, is in a story next to a story, say, like
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  the mutant attacking the doctor on the snowy hill.
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  Like it's unbelievable that those two set pieces are in
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  stories one after the other. Yeah, that really dynamic.
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  So, OK, so Tekka and oh, I think his name is Ken's on this guy.
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  OK, we'll go with Kendra. This was written presumably in
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  1984, and we obviously have the Big Brother Borat thing on the
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  wall. Could Penman Roberts perhaps be
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  filming this maybe a little bit differently to sort of overwreck
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  the surveillance dictatorship angle a bit?
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  You know, like I've no high angles from above or just
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  something that could help sell this world a little bit more
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  than they just walk down the corridor.
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  I'm puzzled as to why you're choosing this particular moment
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  to ask this question. When you could have said it at
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  any point in this commentary. Well, I mean.
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  Robert, sell this world any better?
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  Yes. It's just when you have that,
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  that hook of, you know, of surveillance and of, you know,
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  an old dictator who is watching people and he doesn't like to
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  look at himself. He likes to look at other
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  people. I just feel that you could sell
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  that idea visually a little bit more rather than it just being
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  any old alien planet. Absolutely, Absolutely yes.
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  Do you know what we saw the robot Professor Cronotis there
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  and all the? Wives.
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  I mean, it's quite horrible. It's it's a bit weird because
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  it's poor old Dennis Carey is being puppeteered there by the
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  Android. But like it makes more sense
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  than the controller in the macro terror who they just put on the.
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  Screen and it's the Shepard state and say right say you're
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  the controller and you know like at least.
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  They've given that. Yeah, OK, he's an Android they
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  shove in front of a camera. That's that's the, that's the
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  ruse. Do you think that the ball had
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  and the Dennis Kerry character could be played by the same
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  person? Yeah, because otherwise you're
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  kind of, I get that, you know, it would make sense that this is
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  what the ball had used to look like.
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  Might have been the case if Sharda had been completed and
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  carried and had his chance to be in a Doctor Who you know.
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  Well, he thought he was occasionally in Doctor Who, he
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  thought. Was he?
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  Well, you've been. You've kind of been Sharda,
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  isn't he? You sometimes you see him and
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  then sometimes you don't, you know?
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  But he was over transmitted though.
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  Yeah, but you run in for one room and you get there, it's
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  scary. And then you run out of the room
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  and you get a cartoon, you know? So.
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  Oh. Bloody love that version.
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  Oh, here we go. This is the bit where Kendron
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  gets killed. Yeah.
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  So he preferred that for you? Yeah.
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  Cheka has. Absolutely convinced him that
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  he's up for a promotion, you know?
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  Which is great. I mean, you're.
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  Lying, you said I would be your deputy.
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  A small room to put the paper up is gone.
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  I This is the greatest line in the story.
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  I have been faithful to you, which is the greatest line
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  delivered in the story. We almost saw the Bora, then you
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  just saw a bit of the make up, but not any.
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  I do like shots like that where you're like, oh what is it?
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  I want to know. Yeah, and again, it's the dead
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  boss. Oh, here we go, the.
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  Skeleton and. Yeah, that's.
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  Some, although you know when he murders the fella in episode 1,
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  yeah, the line he gets is great time for another election.
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  I really like that line and. Again, Perry has been flagged
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  around by a. Nicola.
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  Bryan, you just sort of want to. I mean, no wonder she decided,
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  yeah, I'm not going to come back again because I why would you,
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  you know? I mean, after all this, you'd
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  want a big burly bloke like Brian Blessed looking after you,
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  wouldn't you? Like he ain't no one's going to
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  give me any shit. Now look at him.
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  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And say what you will about
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  this, I think Mick LeBron and Brian Bleson, they're pretty
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  good chemistry and those characters have written really
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  well. Yeah.
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  I was watching mine because I was doing that with Fraser.
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  And sighs soon. I just like watching a sitcom.
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  They're so funny together. That's what I mean.
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  That's what happens when you get an actual proper actor from a
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  story rather than these, you know, space levels.
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  You love her, Herbert. Just seems to be taking all this
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  into stride now you know, time crystals.
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  And toys. And this is another.
• 23:49
  So from this, I suppose we're supposed to get the Invisible
• 23:53
  Man, HG Wells, but they don't really sell that because but
• 24:00
  again, visually, could Penman Roberts represent the Doctor
• 24:05
  being invisible? Because the Doctor's never
• 24:07
  invisible. You always see his visible
• 24:11
  imprint. So it's like the opposite of the
• 24:13
  Invisible Man. It's like the permanently
• 24:16
  visible man. It's just sort.
• 24:18
  Of I will say right, I do love the quirkiness of it playing out
• 24:21
  again with them being pushed back by nothing.
• 24:25
  Yeah. That's fine as poor at 57 to go.
• 24:29
  Oh my Dave, what is drama school?
• 24:32
  Stephen Moffett took a look at this script.
• 24:34
  You know when I could use some of this?
• 24:36
  When I'll take over Doctor Who? I'm sure they, I'm sure Stephen
• 24:40
  Moffat was thinking, this is me. And of course, I mean, Speaking
• 24:47
  of stop the showrunners taking inspiration from this or not
• 24:52
  inspiration from this. Isn't this exactly what RTV was
• 24:58
  warming about when he said the words Planet Zogg?
• 25:02
  Have ever Has any Planet Zogg ever been more Planet Zoggy than
• 25:08
  Car fell? My.
• 25:09
  Oh, has there been any others? Darkest, maybe?
• 25:14
  I could probably think of a. Few Zoggy Zogs, but this is
• 25:17
  probably the zombies. Yeah, we don't want to do this.
• 25:23
  Whatever this is, we don't want to do.
• 25:26
  This. That is the delight of the 80s
• 25:28
  though, right? Mid 80s.
• 25:29
  I'm like, this is exactly what they shouldn't be doing at this
• 25:32
  point in Doctor Who's life. Yeah, but you know, now I'd love
• 25:35
  it for that. Like I don't hate this.
• 25:39
  No, I mean there's there's entertainment which we've
• 25:42
  obviously talked about. And like you say, it's the power
• 25:45
  of the review mirror approach to it.
• 25:49
  Something about watching like a car crash in slow motion as
• 25:52
  well. And it does educate.
• 25:54
  Or a car fail crash. Oh well done.
• 25:57
  It does educate you though about because there's so many
• 26:00
  comparisons you can make because of the consistent of the of the
• 26:03
  quality you see where it does work in this in this period.
• 26:08
  Yeah. And there's definitely stuff
• 26:12
  that works here and there's stuff that has worked before
• 26:16
  throughout the years of Doctor Who.
• 26:18
  And I mean, even miss the idea of we're going to explain as
• 26:24
  scientifically as we can how we're going to do this
• 26:27
  invisibility thing. And it's a science concept that
• 26:31
  the kids watching come wrap the head around and think, OK, the
• 26:35
  doctor's going to be invisible. And here's how we apply that
• 26:39
  when we're going to be innocent and to take on the.
• 26:44
  I think, I think that's quite tasty, that bit.
• 26:47
  Oh, here comes the spandrels now, little models.
• 26:50
  Oh, and here's the the what's it called again?
• 26:53
  Timonic defray or something they can use on the door?
• 26:57
  Why not? Look at those two behind with
• 26:59
  their massive guns. They feel very botched, don't
• 27:02
  they? Yeah.
• 27:07
  You do me a favour. Oh, sorry.
• 27:09
  We're both doing what could. Will you please just try and
• 27:12
  just give me very briefly, maybe a couple of lines really, where
• 27:15
  the obsession with triangles came from in Karfel.
• 27:20
  Because they're just everywhere. They're on the walls, they're on
• 27:22
  the floor. The shape of the time Lash.
• 27:24
  The amulet ever invents a triangle.
• 27:26
  Why'd you imagine that was? Well, I suppose.
• 27:35
  Oh, I don't have them on, I mean.
• 27:37
  Because geometric shape science. Fiction.
• 27:40
  Yeah, no, it's it's just an easy shape, but not so alien enough
• 27:46
  so it's not figures at all. Handle.
• 27:49
  We was going to get some sort of religion, you know, with the
• 27:52
  three points, science, superstition, technology.
• 27:56
  You know, there's a massive conflict going on there, and
• 27:59
  that's what the triangle represents.
• 28:00
  Exactly. Darrow Baker and and Herbert,
• 28:09
  Yeah. Performance spectrum.
• 28:15
  Yeah, that's that's exactly what we're.
• 28:18
  Saying oh I see it's a meta joke is it?
• 28:20
  Yeah, you have to turn the dial if you turn the dial to
• 28:25
  download. Good grief, where did that
• 28:28
  Android go? Oh yeah, you went back into Paul
• 28:32
  One. You know.
• 28:33
  That sounds very Steven Moffitt to me.
• 28:37
  He's just like me, he no longer wants to be watching Part 2
• 28:40
  retirement, but unfortunately he's come back to Part 1 again,
• 28:45
  which is a fate I would not wish on anyone.
• 28:47
  Has John Perwie ever looked uglier than in that picture of
• 28:52
  him? Well, I mean, Colin Baker thinks
• 28:54
  that he looks better, which is sort of interesting.
• 28:58
  One of. You.
• 28:58
  What a bitch. But no, I mean, yeah, so that
• 29:03
  picture of John Curtis on the wall, has that come from
• 29:06
  somewhere, like an illustration from somewhere?
• 29:10
  Look at him in the back there. Did you see him?
• 29:12
  He's lying there looking up at the camera.
• 29:15
  Yeah, well, you know, you get your supporting artistry anyway
• 29:19
  you can. He had his head.
• 29:22
  He was holding his head up and like he was just lying.
• 29:24
  There, I'm not hitting my head. I'm a cold studio for this.
• 29:30
  Sorry, what was your question? The the photo of the the touring
• 29:35
  of John Pursley. Do we know has that come from
• 29:39
  somewhere or did did some artist just mock it out to put on the
• 29:44
  wall I. Don't think John Powies ever
• 29:46
  look like that. Because it's not very
• 29:48
  photorealistic, it's quite stylized.
• 29:52
  So I'm trying to think what do you know where they come from?
• 29:56
  I'm going to be rude now, but you know, when you see these
• 29:57
  artists on Twitter, yeah, I say artists in inverted commas and
• 30:02
  they draw pictures of people and then they at them on Twitter and
• 30:06
  go look at this. I've drawn a picture of you and
• 30:09
  expect, like some kind of a compliment at the hideous visage
• 30:12
  that they put online. Yeah, that's what that looks
• 30:16
  like. I hope you're not firing shot
• 30:18
  for a little who girl when you saying.
• 30:20
  That no, although that. Is we can't, we can't think
• 30:23
  about that. I've on God her her artwork,
• 30:26
  although I'm still convinced this is her dad doing that.
• 30:28
  Well, I mean. He's great at doing a stick
• 30:32
  person. Yeah.
• 30:36
  So, yeah, of course. So Darrow, obviously, not only
• 30:39
  does Darrow not get involved with much of a story, now he's
• 30:42
  kind of just stuck in the Ms. Anthem so that we're not getting
• 30:46
  that we have to cut away to him rather than have him involved
• 30:51
  with the rest of the story. Which is?
• 30:53
  He dies it soon, doesn't he? Yeah, Bumped.
• 30:56
  On Yeah. How is Herbert going to get to
• 30:58
  watch what's going on in the inner sanctum?
• 31:00
  Maybe it's the only bit of set dressing there that latter.
• 31:04
  Well, yeah, I mean, yes, yeah, yeah, they've conveniently what?
• 31:08
  Why is that ladder? In fact, you're tiny little
• 31:11
  corner. To be fair, they've put that
• 31:13
  tube in front of it to suggest that it isn't.
• 31:15
  Just the ladder. Yeah, we can't pan all the way
• 31:18
  up to the scene because then we'll see this TV.
• 31:23
  Oh look, Colin's now in the inner sanctum.
• 31:25
  This is going to be good. Well.
• 31:28
  Well, I mean, it might be. Oh.
• 31:33
  Here we go. I do like that line, my dear.
• 31:36
  Tekka is still working in other people's shadows.
• 31:39
  So you know, Doctor, And it's so the creatures of this time.
• 31:51
  I remember now for my loss. Is it?
• 31:54
  We don't know anything about your loss, Is it so?
• 31:57
  Well, we're done. We're sort of discovering as we
• 32:00
  go, you know? Yeah, but I feel like there
• 32:02
  should be a part of this that, but the thought is more like, Oh
• 32:06
  yes, well, when I was done perjury, this happened.
• 32:09
  But this is different and this means this and you know, we add
• 32:14
  up. And is the best line in the
• 32:16
  story. I'm sorry, not.
• 32:18
  The same can be said about our leader.
• 32:20
  The Borat of Kafel, the most luminous force in the Galaxy.
• 32:26
  Which again is, I would say would would the thesaurus again,
• 32:30
  because I don't, I wouldn't describe the boy as a luminous.
• 32:34
  I don't know in what way if it's that description.
• 32:36
  But it's a job job though, isn't it?
• 32:39
  Oh yeah. And it's pretty good in all
• 32:45
  respects, in the sense that even when you go into the council
• 32:50
  chamber and all the lights are turned on, it still looks pretty
• 32:54
  good because I think there's a worry.
• 32:56
  But when you take that out of the dark and put a light on it,
• 33:01
  but it's going to look rubbish. But it actually does.
• 33:04
  It still looks pretty good even in the main studio.
• 33:09
  You know, in the Happiness Patrol, you know, all those
• 33:11
  tubes in the candy kitchen and all that fondant surprise goes
• 33:14
  down it. Yeah, well, imagine the fondant
• 33:16
  surprise is a budget for this story, OK.
• 33:19
  And we've got 2 tubes. We've got the the makeup budget
• 33:22
  over here and we've got the rest of the story budget over here.
• 33:26
  Do you imagine there was sort of like a a deviation of the flow
• 33:30
  and it all went this way towards the makeup budget?
• 33:33
  She's forgetting that John Mason Firmer is the candy man.
• 33:39
  You will feel Rebecca. I'm sure John Mason Firmer is
• 33:41
  probably for plenty of people. And that's it.
• 33:43
  You will feel the back of my candy.
• 33:49
  Oh God almighty, now every time I watch that story, I'm just
• 33:52
  going to be seeing Jay and what times you call this.
• 33:58
  Oh God, the band rules are coming.
• 34:00
  It's all happening now in confrontations with the
• 34:02
  villains, invisible people disappearing, Andrew.
• 34:06
  Attacking Perry. They're thrown from water on top
• 34:09
  of it to make it look a bit more moist.
• 34:11
  Yeah, I mean now look, she is literally strapped with a bomb
• 34:15
  around her whilst an enormous cock wants to eat her.
• 34:20
  It's actually for the 1920s, thirties, King Kong style, you
• 34:25
  know. Beaver.
• 34:27
  Is this the most explicit? Sort of version of the lusting
• 34:32
  after Perry. It is literally a massive penis.
• 34:35
  Yeah. And like I say, yeah.
• 34:37
  And with the explicit intent of of breeding, I suppose it is
• 34:42
  like the the next step in terms you know.
• 34:45
  What do you actually the kids made of their all this, you
• 34:48
  know, tying up their friends, you know, putting bombs around
• 34:51
  their necks? And taking.
• 34:53
  Them with I mean, I don't want to go there.
• 34:55
  As a kid, I suppose this old damsel in distressed thing is
• 34:58
  something that Doctor Who has done before, obviously with
• 35:02
  reference, Joe Grant, who it would have happened to quite a
• 35:05
  bit. So I don't think there's not a
• 35:08
  precedent for it. And I understand that once
• 35:12
  you've tied someone to the railway tracks once, you're
• 35:16
  going to have to change it up a little bit, but that's just
• 35:19
  going in the wrong. Should This is a tricky
• 35:25
  question, but should Doctor Who be doing?
• 35:27
  They're sort of doing the Elephant Man, but if the
• 35:31
  Elephant Man was a massive Nazi villain, Yeah.
• 35:35
  So they're basically equating disability with being evil.
• 35:39
  And it's not the only time this season we've done it before.
• 35:42
  Should we? I mean, it's so icky, isn't it?
• 35:45
  Well, again, like you said, the physical grotesque equals
• 35:50
  Villamy point, which we've had obviously again Davros, it's a
• 35:56
  very Robert Holmes them think of Charis Jack think of Magnus
• 36:02
  Grill, you know, and we've had who?
• 36:07
  Oh, and obviously inventing from Varos the joke, the joke and the
• 36:13
  joke that Shell has is that Phil finds Perry disgusting.
• 36:18
  The whole joke is isn't it funny because we all know how really
• 36:22
  sexy Nicola Bryan is and Oh my God, everyone I'm doctoring for
• 36:25
  Nicola Bryan is she was sexy. No, that's that's the joke.
• 36:30
  But obviously that's. Funny when you say it, I'm
• 36:32
  funny. In the story.
• 36:34
  But that's the but that what I was for, for the benefit of the
• 36:37
  lawyers. That was me mocking the
• 36:40
  mentality of certain members of the production team and not the
• 36:44
  actual opinions of Jack Coir, Joe Ford or anyone hamster with
• 36:49
  their knife productions. I mean Nicola.
• 36:51
  Bride is very sexy, I won't deny that.
• 36:54
  Well. She's.
• 36:55
  Also our fine actress. Exactly.
• 36:58
  But that's the the joke is that oh, you I'm the villain.
• 37:03
  So you know, again, Robert Holmes shooter, you're evil is
• 37:07
  my good. You know you're ugly, is my
• 37:10
  beautiful, but it's. Beyond problematic, I think, in
• 37:15
  the climax when the doctor is bullying and abusing and
• 37:20
  insulting somebody on the grounds that they do not conform
• 37:26
  before tossing them into the time lash and it's just like the
• 37:29
  show just shouldn't be there at all.
• 37:32
  Yeah, and obviously we don't learn from that because although
• 37:36
  I'm not saying that the Borad should meet again, the Borad or
• 37:41
  Magellan, which is an anagram of Mengele, because we're going
• 37:45
  into Nazi then. I'm not saying that that
• 37:49
  character should receive a happy ending, but maybe that there was
• 37:52
  a better way of dealing with him than reaffirming that warped
• 37:59
  mindset of Oh yes, you are bad because you are deformed and
• 38:05
  vice versa, rather than you are bad because you're trying to do
• 38:10
  gym aside and geometric experiments and things you know,
• 38:14
  which is enough of the reason to be a villain to.
• 38:17
  Actually have the Doctor say it it it's just.
• 38:21
  And then in the next story, there's no fucking consistency.
• 38:23
  We'll say, well, that's what annoys me.
• 38:25
  In the next story, he meets the mutant and he's so kind and his
• 38:29
  hand is all scabby and nasty and he grabs his hand and he holds
• 38:32
  it tenderly and he's lovely with him.
• 38:34
  And that's literally the next episode.
• 38:38
  Yeah, well, OK, man. Well, I mean, in that case the
• 38:42
  the mutant's been killed by Paris.
• 38:44
  So I suppose the doctor kind of feels a little bit responsible
• 38:48
  for it. And we're not shown the mutant
• 38:50
  to be willingness, you know, it's just a sort of accident.
• 38:54
  But the mutant, you know, it is clearly mentally unwell or
• 38:59
  whatever and sort of rushes at them.
• 39:03
  So here we actually have obviously we've not commented on
• 39:05
  Herbert being and the Doctor being obviously on separate
• 39:09
  tiers of the set. So we've built the set so that
• 39:12
  we have column on the floor and Herbert above and Herbert above,
• 39:17
  which is a nice, you know, we don't do that much of A
• 39:20
  material. We don't have a lot of thought
• 39:24
  put in for the design in that way.
• 39:28
  And the Doctor has literally just murdered the villain again
• 39:32
  this season. Now, I don't mind a bit of that.
• 39:35
  Yeah, I I don't want that. I don't want this to be
• 39:37
  doctrine. Who?
• 39:38
  I don't mind the Doctor getting his hands dirty every now and
• 39:42
  again. But, you know, he blasted the
• 39:44
  cyber controller. He gasped.
• 39:46
  Shock eye to death with cyanide. He used the vines on those
• 39:50
  people. Inventions of Varos, you know?
• 39:53
  Mark of the Run is the outlier because that he just sends them
• 39:56
  off in the TARDIS to face that Tyrannosaurus Rex, you know?
• 39:59
  Yeah. Well, again, if that's another
• 40:02
  issue of we have to bow to continuity, so we have to keep
• 40:09
  the master because he's the master and we have to keep, we
• 40:12
  have to let Dabos get away at the end because he's Dabos and
• 40:15
  maybe dollars. And we can't kill them in the
• 40:19
  same sense. Everybody else, though.
• 40:22
  So really the only one who properly gets away with it, but
• 40:26
  you might not expect to, is shill is probably the only
• 40:29
  example of an original one who had to get away.
• 40:34
  That's right, he's saying to Philip.
• 40:35
  Mind, don't not kill him off. We'll have him back.
• 40:38
  Exactly with you know, Oh, OK, so Joe, great news.
• 40:45
  All of the villains in time Lash are dead, so the story must be
• 40:49
  over. Yes, on to.
• 40:52
  The Daleks. Oh wait, the band drills are
• 40:59
  coming. We've still got a villain.
• 41:01
  They're sitting there, Bastilistic warheads or whatever
• 41:03
  they're called. Yes, the ultimate villain would
• 41:06
  be, You know, Again, is it well, it's just more it's more I know,
• 41:14
  I know it's not a gun in that same way, but it is just like
• 41:19
  gunfire. It's it's the ultimate, you know
• 41:23
  thing, which is and the bundles aren't really bad villainous
• 41:27
  even not when they talk like that.
• 41:29
  They're not joke. No, not when they talk like
• 41:32
  this, but. The rest of the commentary like.
• 41:36
  That oh God no, I didn't even want to do that.
• 41:38
  Your opinion is appalling. It appears we are at war.
• 41:46
  Bless the man who's got his hand up the arse of that puppet.
• 41:50
  Yeah, I think the voice of that puppet that you want to beat the
• 41:54
  other rebel from the beginning. So you know, we've talked about.
• 41:58
  Stephen. No, no, Stephen Mac.
• 42:01
  So there's Stephen Macintosh, the female and the other one.
• 42:04
  And I think the other one was the voice of the oh so.
• 42:08
  Let's. Talk we get to the let's talk
• 42:10
  about filler. Yeah, so this is so for for
• 42:17
  Eagle Eye viewers at home, Colin Beaker's hair looks slightly
• 42:20
  different. It's massively longer.
• 42:23
  It's way longer. Because this is filmed during
• 42:26
  Revelation of the Dance, so I guess it was quite nice that
• 42:31
  David Chandler to come back, bearing in mind time Lashes
• 42:35
  presumably finished filming. So now we're going to employ him
• 42:39
  to come back. Are you happy to continue your
• 42:41
  association with Doctor? Why not?
• 42:44
  It's a joke. Before you got out, we called
• 42:46
  and we went to the BBC Bar. But now you have to come back.
• 42:53
  I mean, is it out there with one of the worst scenes in Doctor
• 42:56
  history? I mean, what's what's the point?
• 42:59
  It is absolutely pointless, but there are a lot of pointless
• 43:03
  Philistines and Doctor Who. I could point out many.
• 43:05
  I mean the time flow analogue. Do you remember?
• 43:08
  You know there. Are in that case, that wasn't
• 43:10
  literally we turned the studio lights off and we had to turn
• 43:14
  them back on again. And Eric say, would have to get
• 43:19
  the biggest napkin you can find and scribble some words on the
• 43:23
  back of it. What I do like about this scene?
• 43:26
  Is when he picks her up and she's kicking at the air.
• 43:30
  I just think it might have seen a bit more of that in the
• 43:32
  regular TARDIS scenes, because that's really quite funny.
• 43:36
  He's like, I will forcibly eject you from the dangerous
• 43:40
  situation, you know? So oh, and this is funny.
• 43:46
  The payoff gag is funny when he gets up to the console.
• 43:49
  Yeah, Hello. Hello.
• 43:52
  Yeah, do you know what? There are charming moments in
• 43:56
  this. There are like, I know I sound
• 43:58
  like I'm scraping, but there are.
• 44:01
  It's namely Herber and the Doctor moments I think probably
• 44:04
  be. He should have had a male
• 44:06
  companion, 'cause I tell you what.
• 44:08
  They wouldn't have put a male. Companion what they put Berry
• 44:10
  through. And now we've talked about the
• 44:12
  sort of troubling political angles of this story.
• 44:15
  Have to take one nice moment in that regard was where the
• 44:20
  doctor, you know, where Herbert says, oh, we're men and
• 44:23
  therefore we should, you know, charge into battle and kill
• 44:26
  ourselves. And the doctor goes, well,
• 44:28
  there's nothing masculine about throwing your life away on some
• 44:31
  reckless, would you like Eric, say with just, I don't know,
• 44:35
  some light bulb flipped on the back of his brain and now it's
• 44:39
  turned off again? Yeah, because in the next one we
• 44:42
  get all senior Bostock and it's all about honour and the duty of
• 44:46
  the mission and all. That, but in that case there
• 44:48
  were at least, you know, figures, mockery to some extent.
• 44:52
  I mean, I feel like Holmes is mocking all of that in
• 44:55
  Mysterious Planet. When he has glitz and dibber
• 44:58
  like the, you know, overtly. Masculine looking with the
• 45:01
  beards. And the guns and all of that,
• 45:04
  but they're just hilarious. I love that bit of this bit of
• 45:15
  to be fun Kerber. When I go 4th of you will be
• 45:18
  very low on my lips. It's really funny.
• 45:21
  It's funny. Stand face together, Jack.
• 45:26
  It's the face of the enemy. Nothing to do with that.
• 45:32
  Oh, God. But it's more charming than
• 45:34
  these scenes with Perry, and that's a problem.
• 45:37
  Well, yeah, it's the doctor being around other men.
• 45:40
  My faces is fine. Yeah, again, it's it's the idea
• 45:44
  of do we actually like women and want to watch them on screen
• 45:50
  doing things? I don't know.
• 45:53
  I don't know if Colin just responds differently as well.
• 45:55
  Remember that bit at the end of Revelation where he's with
• 45:59
  William Gorman Sorsini and he's like, tell them how we died?
• 46:02
  And he just kneels down, takes the the medal off him and nods
• 46:07
  sort of quietly. And there's just like, like a
• 46:09
  lovely rapport and respect. And it's just different to how
• 46:13
  he is with Perry again, like, yeah, they, they got there.
• 46:18
  They got there in a serious planet.
• 46:20
  There's this warped idea that, OK, the main characters of your
• 46:24
  television show should have conflict with each other, but
• 46:29
  we're not doing that in the right way.
• 46:31
  We're we're warping that idea, you know, because Clara and the
• 46:36
  12th Doctor or Tennant and Tate or, you know, there's plenty.
• 46:41
  Or Barbara and the 1st Doctor. You know there's plenty of
• 46:45
  bickering. I think people took against
• 46:49
  Clara and the 12th Doctor in the same way people took against
• 46:52
  this though, but just because it was so toxic at times.
• 46:56
  And your bloody tardism, fuck off.
• 46:58
  She says at the end. It killed the moon.
• 47:00
  You know, it's a bit much. But again, at least that was
• 47:03
  more like, oh, OK, so 30 seconds to impact.
• 47:07
  We're about to see how the doctor's going to get.
• 47:10
  Now this one. Now, Joe, before we get there,
• 47:13
  how do you think the doctor's going to get them out of this?
• 47:16
  Oh, Jack, I'll explain later. No, no, no.
• 47:19
  I'd prefer if you explained now. How now?
• 47:23
  I've been up I would have extremity.
• 47:26
  How was the? Doctor going to get them out of
• 47:29
  this. Look, if Glenn McCoy can't be
• 47:31
  bothered to give you an answer, neither can I.
• 47:33
  Excuse me, Mr. Script Editor, how was the doctor kept out of
• 47:38
  this problem? I mean, couldn't he just said he
• 47:41
  just dematerialized the TARDIS? What?
• 47:45
  What is not? Yeah.
• 47:47
  I mean, I don't know what that is.
• 47:50
  You know who would have? You know who would have covered
• 47:53
  it with a line, don't you, uncle?
• 47:56
  Terence, Yeah, He's not allowed back in the building.
• 48:00
  I don't know what Robert Holmes would.
• 48:02
  Do this is what happens. When he's not script editing
• 48:05
  all. Right.
• 48:06
  Again, another influence of Robert Holmes stories that can't
• 48:11
  end properly. All the other ones.
• 48:16
  All in season 12 to 14. Yeah, they have terrible
• 48:21
  climaxes, don't they? Oh, and I can't believe we do
• 48:26
  this now with Perry. Go.
• 48:27
  Oh, the dogs are no that horrendous abusive bully that
• 48:32
  was always. Picking me up and dragging me
• 48:33
  out of the TARDIS. He's dead.
• 48:35
  Yeah, no, she's saying. Oh no, not Herbert.
• 48:39
  She. Doesn't know SHG will.
• 48:41
  So, so you know, And then I think there's still another
• 48:46
  twist to come though, Jack. Hold your horses, all right?
• 48:49
  Even when the doctor's dead time and I should still not.
• 48:55
  Or rather, hold your Morloxis. There's another twist coming.
• 49:00
  Oh my word. I don't know whether any of us
• 49:03
  will ever be the same again. I do need to say this right.
• 49:06
  I do like the way that, oh God, I forgot his name, Mick Rossi's
• 49:09
  sort of chest hair poking out of his.
• 49:11
  I mean, he's quite a handsome bloke.
• 49:12
  But earlier on, Right Kendron was suffering from the same
• 49:17
  affliction, and it was very disturbing.
• 49:19
  Oh yeah, no, no one wants to see that.
• 49:23
  But now Perry's been strangled by a massive flipper.
• 49:27
  Yeah. Oh, that poor woman in my
• 49:29
  background can't can't aim again properly.
• 49:32
  They're sort of pointing in different directions, aren't?
• 49:34
  They yeah, she was so scared, like the prop's going to blow up
• 49:37
  in her face. What's right about the makeup,
• 49:39
  though, in the studio lights? Yeah, because that's what you're
• 49:42
  worried about when you watch this for the first time.
• 49:44
  They're like, Oh my God, that's going to fall apart and you
• 49:47
  should have kept it in the dark, but.
• 49:50
  I still think they should have a little bit of that fondant
• 49:52
  surprise to the rest of the story, though.
• 49:55
  Yeah. Well, I mean, and yeah, I mean,
• 49:58
  I, that's really good. Yeah, it's just great.
• 50:02
  Yeah, this is probably that my least favorite scene in the
• 50:06
  Colin Baker era. It's not him strangling parrot,
• 50:08
  that's my that's my second least favorite scene.
• 50:12
  But this with all the disabled shaming and it's just awful.
• 50:16
  Yeah, but you said the two giant leap similar.
• 50:20
  There were three characters on the screen right now who we
• 50:24
  thought were dead. Herbert, the Doctor and the boy
• 50:27
  that. How did any of them not die?
• 50:31
  I'll explain later. All that was the clone and I
• 50:35
  don't know. Will hand wave the other
• 50:37
  explanations. Yeah, it's sort of like the the
• 50:41
  the resolution to a Moffett cliffhanger, isn't it?
• 50:44
  You know, I'll explain later. In that case it's more of a
• 50:49
  cliffhanger, like let's get to the next thing rather than of
• 50:53
  this John Perthway in the background looking on, thinking
• 50:56
  oh thank God I was never in a story this bad.
• 51:00
  What is he doing with his hands in that picture?
• 51:03
  John Perthway preparing the Timelash.
• 51:11
  Oh God, no. No, he's making.
• 51:12
  He's mocking Perry in a situation of extreme peril.
• 51:17
  Yeah, yeah, Perry's going to be frightened when you start trying
• 51:21
  to meet with her. He.
• 51:22
  Basically goes you're utterly disgusting and repellent and if
• 51:25
  she looks at you she's going to scream so you might as well just
• 51:28
  commit suicide because you're awful.
• 51:30
  It's just horrible. Rather than like, hey, maybe
• 51:34
  Perry doesn't like me. You came out that you're choking
• 51:38
  her out. So I know when she gets a look
• 51:40
  at you, that's when she's really going to be freaked out.
• 51:45
  It is one of those times and it doesn't happen too often and
• 51:48
  I'll tell you where. I just think whoever's in charge
• 51:51
  is totally blind or doing a panto.
• 51:57
  Well, yes or yes. Sending me actors off to a
• 51:59
  panto. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:02
  Your grotesque excuse for a body, This language.
• 52:09
  And this doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 52:11
  So behind the wall was a picture of John Pertwee, and behind the
• 52:17
  picture of John Pertwee was a mirror that was halfway down the
• 52:23
  the floor. What?
• 52:25
  A why is a mirror that angle and B why did the Borat who's trying
• 52:31
  to censor things paint over the mirror with a picture of the
• 52:35
  doctor, which then had to be painted over with a picture of
• 52:39
  the wall with the rest of the council chamber?
• 52:43
  It's just, I'll explain later. I'll explain later.
• 52:49
  That's it. He's in the Time Lash now.
• 52:52
  Yeah, he's off the Loch Ness. Yeah, now, now, what's your
• 52:57
  favorite Loch Ness Monster in Doctor Who?
• 52:59
  Is it the Scarasan you know? Really.
• 53:01
  Ugly head up above the Thames or the Borad sort of plopping into
• 53:08
  the. I don't think there's a single
• 53:11
  element of time lash by 4. Wouldn't tell those icons be
• 53:16
  better if it was a bit more like this.
• 53:18
  I don't think there's a single element.
• 53:21
  You're mad, honestly. Oh, the Time Lash has exploded.
• 53:27
  Oh. No, look, just a couple of bits
• 53:29
  of jabber. Like sort of spurting out.
• 53:31
  Unconvincing. Yeah, most of the main axes are
• 53:35
  here, I think. He's not here.
• 53:37
  Shay's on at the Felcham Rocks. He's not here.
• 53:40
  I can only assume he's back at the Felcham Rocks.
• 53:43
  You know, this was like DWM preview.
• 53:45
  Yeah, JNT would be good, but don't worry, Graham Harper's
• 53:48
  back next week, all right? Yeah, chill out.
• 53:52
  The one that directed case around Josani.
• 53:54
  Please stay with the show. I mean, a million more people
• 53:57
  watch this than Part 1. We almost got long for Libya to
• 54:01
  be in the next story. I just want you to think about
• 54:04
  that for a second, all right? A million people.
• 54:06
  Just visualize a million people watching Time Dash Part 2.
• 54:11
  Part 2, yeah, probably. They're like great.
• 54:13
  Part 1 I can't wait to see what Paul Barrow's going to do next
• 54:17
  week. I can't wait to see the
• 54:19
  unpleasant Jeremy that the Doctor's going to have.
• 54:22
  What is the noun of a collection of responses of a million?
• 54:26
  People, oh, sorry, before I mean Herbert George Wells, this what
• 54:31
  is this piece of paper that the doctor's holding?
• 54:34
  Is it a calling card? It's not a business card.
• 54:38
  No other information on. It my name, Should you want to
• 54:41
  know it, I cannot be bothered to tell you.
• 54:43
  Yeah, you should have said Herbert George Wells at the
• 54:46
  Falchon Rocks in mind as well. I've said before the censor
• 54:49
  needs and there's no. Time to sort of like there's no
• 54:52
  time to sort of do what what we would do in the.
• 54:54
  New series was. Just have a coda where the
• 54:57
  people talk to each other and there's some.
• 54:59
  Sort of emotional resonance or consequence to all.
• 55:01
  This Yeah, but what what does the society look like now?
• 55:05
  They just. Don't care.
• 55:08
  That's why this is the Zoggier ZOG, because it exists.
• 55:11
  It exists for this storage to take place in.
• 55:14
  Yeah. And then when it when the
• 55:15
  scripts over the characters fall down like does it.
• 55:20
  Varos literally has a life beyond the Doctor.
• 55:22
  Who's well, I suppose literally, because obviously you've got
• 55:25
  still coming back in mind warp. But even if mind warp doesn't
• 55:29
  exist, you can, you can picture that if you're carrying on, I
• 55:36
  mean revelation to to some extent, I suppose you could
• 55:39
  picture Tranquil repose still, you know, functioning well, they
• 55:44
  offer. A a few, a potential future at
• 55:46
  the end, don't they the we plan. And it's interesting that
• 55:50
  Speaking of things in the story that we occur in Revelation of
• 55:54
  the Daleks, obviously the twist behind the ball heads that he's
• 56:00
  suddenly appeared again. They do the exact same thing
• 56:03
  with Demos. Ross had a secret clone that's
• 56:07
  presumably killed, and then the real bad Ross comes out and goes
• 56:10
  Oh no, actually that was just a clone or whatever it was.
• 56:14
  Assassin's bullets. Yeah.
• 56:17
  He must have thought, God, that twist works so well in Time
• 56:19
  Lash. Yeah, yeah, I mean, might as
• 56:23
  well. Looks like their boss.
• 56:25
  Saying, Oh my God, you know what, right, I've got to tell
• 56:28
  you this. I'm watching on the iPlayer.
• 56:29
  Yeah, and it's just skipped straight.
• 56:33
  No, wait, that it skipped to the point where I was last watching
• 56:36
  it, which was the bit where Natasha murders her father in
• 56:38
  the glass dawling. Oh, that's great.
• 56:40
  I mean, it's not the same fucking show, right?
• 56:44
  See, now that is an example of the same.
• 56:48
  Because Revelation is so strange because it's like Eric Hayward
• 56:52
  in what is his last full involvement?
• 56:56
  Because we'll never really know how much you thought of the time
• 56:59
  or the actually did this, his last property.
• 57:06
  And this is like, yes, this is what you've been working towards
• 57:11
  for, you know, three or four or five years or whatever it is.
• 57:14
  This is like full on 100%, you know, water, Eric Hayward vision
• 57:21
  and it's like, where has this been?
• 57:24
  What? Why did we have to take all that
• 57:26
  time to get to this? And if only you could have put
• 57:29
  the doctor in it. Yeah, well, if only the Doctor
• 57:32
  could have, you know, if it weren't for the fact that it's
• 57:35
  missing Doctor Who. Yeah, now Eleanor Bron is
• 57:40
  camping it about. Hugh Walters is buzzing around
• 57:43
  her doing great lines. William Galt's on the screen
• 57:46
  looking very dignified. Yeah, I just, I, I just cannot
• 57:50
  believe the difference in quality between stories in the
• 57:54
  80s. It's like dragon fire to
• 57:56
  remembrance. It's like caves.
• 57:57
  The twin dial lemma. It is for those reasons.
• 58:01
  It's so interesting to talk about, you know, the extreme
• 58:04
  differences, but it is just baffling.
• 58:07
  No other era has this lack of consistency.
• 58:11
  I don't. Think, yeah.
• 58:12
  And from story to story as well, I mean, because it's all good.
• 58:16
  Same as same that, you know, so I can fire to the membrands.
• 58:21
  OK. But that's a new year, so, you
• 58:24
  know, we'll have more time to work on it.
• 58:27
  This is week to week. We don't know what we're going
• 58:31
  to pump out. And the show's been cancelled.
• 58:35
  Here's two more stories. This one happens.
• 58:38
  People go, Oh my God, maybe it should have been cancelled.
• 58:41
  And then Revelation happens and they're like, no, bring it back.
• 58:45
  Yeah, you could do this. Then trial of a talent opens
• 58:49
  with that model shot and you're like, what's?
• 58:50
  Going on Doctor Who's pulled this act together?
• 58:53
  Exactly. Jack, we are in the inadvisable
• 58:59
  position now of choosing our three and.
• 59:03
  Three term discreetly fabulous things to describe time lash.
• 59:09
  And because I'm kind and I don't want to take all the best
• 59:13
  things, I shall let you go first.
• 59:16
  OK. 4th So let's do one each 2. Each.
• 59:18
  Oh, yeah. OK.
• 59:19
  Oh, no. That means I might have come up
• 59:21
  with five, just in case you built some of my other.
• 59:24
  One, no, but I'm going to be a bit sort of left field.
• 59:27
  OK. So I'll go with the the one
• 59:30
  element of the story, but I think it's pretty unambiguously
• 59:35
  great in all the steps. I think the Borat is pretty
• 59:40
  excellent. Robert Ashby, whose name was
• 59:42
  Mall Sepia, really good performance and I think is the
• 59:48
  make up is obviously I mean maybe the best prosthetics job
• 59:53
  in the entire classic coup perhaps and I think it lifts
• 59:59
  every other element of the production.
• 1:00:02
  The writing for the ball ad is if he gets a nice dialogue
• 1:00:07
  Pennant Roberts direction is boosted when he has the
• 1:00:11
  opportunity to flame. The bored is what he is, which
• 1:00:15
  is AB grade dad Ross, which is obviously what we've we've said
• 1:00:19
  throughout this commentary, but most of the performances are
• 1:00:25
  pretty good. It's a really functional villain
• 1:00:31
  and an example of where the say word Robert Holmes has been
• 1:00:40
  going for these last couple of years.
• 1:00:43
  And I think that's a final stab of that impulse in Doctor Who.
• 1:00:48
  I think it's really well achieved.
• 1:00:52
  I can't argue with the words of that.
• 1:00:54
  I'm actually going to say the other thing that I think is
• 1:00:58
  unambiguously great about Time Lash, and that is.
• 1:01:03
  Herbert George Wells, He's played by David Chandler, who is
• 1:01:08
  just having the best time and. None of it's subtle.
• 1:01:11
  Like, I'm not talking about the writing now, I'm talking about
• 1:01:13
  the performance. Very Peaky would have to me.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah, and fuck me, the story needs it, right?
• 1:01:20
  It needs that lightness of touch when he comes along and he's
• 1:01:23
  doing the exorcism and then when he pops up from the console, all
• 1:01:28
  of it, it's it's genuinely funny.
• 1:01:30
  It brings out something very charming in Colin Baker, even
• 1:01:34
  though he's still abrasive. But Colin being abrasive to
• 1:01:37
  another bloke is very different from Colin being abrasive to.
• 1:01:41
  And it's the reaction. Herbert always takes it.
• 1:01:45
  He either doesn't understand what Colin's saying, or he takes
• 1:01:48
  it with a smile that's completely different to the
• 1:01:51
  Perry might be in. So I wouldn't, well, I wouldn't
• 1:01:55
  lose all of that padding scene just for the male where he's
• 1:01:59
  like, you know, face to face and face to the enemy.
• 1:02:01
  And Colin's like, oh God, you know, I, I kind of wish he'd
• 1:02:05
  stuck. Around, if I'm honest, like I do
• 1:02:08
  with a lot of the male surrogate companions in Season 22.
• 1:02:11
  So yeah, Herbert, George Wells, especially David Chandler's
• 1:02:14
  sunny performance. Oh, God.
• 1:02:19
  OK, that was going to be my next one.
• 1:02:23
  Well, I guess we've got to talk about Paul Darrow again.
• 1:02:26
  So yeah, Paul Darrow, you know. Absolutely.
• 1:02:29
  I it's funny, I don't remember that much about Doctor Who and
• 1:02:34
  asylums, but I can only assume that that was a very different
• 1:02:38
  performance to to this from what I can remember.
• 1:02:44
  And he's obviously not as dominant within that story.
• 1:02:49
  Teca or mail in Teca, as he would say, is absolutely rich.
• 1:02:56
  He preferred without the hump, you know, big old commander
• 1:03:01
  machine, you know, he doesn't stare off into the distance.
• 1:03:05
  He sort of blows, you know, in a menacing fashion.
• 1:03:10
  I think he's realised what he's been hired for and he's
• 1:03:16
  determined to win every personal, every personal
• 1:03:20
  pleasure that you can out of it. And yeah, it's a pretty defining
• 1:03:28
  performance of the period. It's the likes of which we only
• 1:03:34
  ever really, I mean, I guess Richard Price, we've obviously
• 1:03:37
  mentioned, but that we very rarely get them from this point
• 1:03:42
  because Brian bless him, is just sort of playing Brian bless him.
• 1:03:45
  So that's to be expected, I think.
• 1:03:48
  Yeah, it's someone who knows what he's in and it's time to
• 1:03:53
  have fun with it, which is what we're doing, I suppose you and I
• 1:03:57
  are doing here, you know, knowing what challenge stands
• 1:04:00
  before us. And so I'm doing the best of it.
• 1:04:04
  It is the most enjoyably insane performance, I think, since
• 1:04:08
  Graham Crowden, as so did. Yes, yeah.
• 1:04:13
  Well, my second thing then is going to be all those little
• 1:04:17
  quirks that I mentioned in the story.
• 1:04:20
  So that stupid crystal that comes up in episode 2 and we're
• 1:04:23
  doing sort of the invisible shoving and then, you know,
• 1:04:26
  using the crystal to beam it back at the Borat is, it's all
• 1:04:29
  very stupid, but it's sort of fun for kids.
• 1:04:31
  You know, if you've got a crystal set at home or your
• 1:04:33
  mum's got a crystal, you know, you could play Doctor Who.
• 1:04:36
  And also the burning Android sort of turning up in episode 1
• 1:04:40
  and that paying off in episode 2.
• 1:04:42
  I like so all those, the the bit with the plants where he throws
• 1:04:46
  it and Colin's, all of those sort of random odd bits that are
• 1:04:50
  nothing to do with the story really at all are just thrown in
• 1:04:54
  as other ideas. I just like the fact that it's
• 1:04:57
  keep it keeps giving you stuff. It isn't necessarily great
• 1:05:00
  stuff, but it keeps giving you fun stuff to watch.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, well, Speaking of fun stuff to watch, I suppose my
• 1:05:09
  final one, if I'm trying to run stuff out of it, is we finally
• 1:05:15
  have a while. I mean, you could argue for Mark
• 1:05:19
  Abrami as well, but Paul from Matt, this is the one, the only
• 1:05:22
  times this year or indeed ever that we get to see Colin Baker
• 1:05:28
  properly play with Doctor as he's the central heroic figure
• 1:05:34
  of the story, as you say, would be Mirror and the Canton
• 1:05:39
  crystals. He's actively doing things to
• 1:05:42
  progress the story. This story could not move along
• 1:05:46
  without the doctors in direct intervention, which is obviously
• 1:05:51
  different from some of the other stories that we've got in this
• 1:05:54
  year. And whilst he's perhaps not
• 1:05:59
  always the nicest to Perry, I think that gets superseded a
• 1:06:04
  little bit with how sort of uniquely or for like the Borat
• 1:06:08
  is to Perry and that sort of that that almost balances him
• 1:06:13
  down a little bit. You're.
• 1:06:14
  Talking about levels of abuse there are you?
• 1:06:16
  Yeah, exactly. You know, you never knew if you
• 1:06:19
  have it till you was with me. That sort of.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah. Being bandied about them.
• 1:06:25
  Yeah. Out the flying pan into the
• 1:06:27
  fire. Colin Baker makes for a pretty
• 1:06:31
  good flying pan. Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  And I mean, he's, you know, there's a, I've been there.
• 1:06:37
  A couple of nice lines you had in my Part 1.
• 1:06:41
  You know, when they see Perry as his newer system, he's like, oh,
• 1:06:46
  yeah, it's awfully difficult to recruit good staff nowadays,
• 1:06:50
  wouldn't you agree? And you know, I I hear that and
• 1:06:54
  I think, yeah, that's the ship thoughts that I want to see a
• 1:06:57
  little bit of a spike to him and has a few sort of back chat
• 1:07:02
  lines. But it's all pretty
• 1:07:04
  good-natured. And yeah, he's the unambiguous
• 1:07:09
  hero of the story, and the day would not be saved without him.
• 1:07:14
  Dodging the exorcism, Jack. I mean, that's just glorious.
• 1:07:17
  Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  But you said the only deliberate bit of direction.
• 1:07:21
  In the whole thing. Yeah, well, it was.
• 1:07:24
  I mean, it's very clearly a choreographed move, but that was
• 1:07:28
  funny, which was what it was meant to be.
• 1:07:30
  And Justice throw away hello when Herbert jumps off.
• 1:07:33
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Hello. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:07:36
  Colin Baker is of. Of all the actors in this story,
• 1:07:40
  Colin Baker is arguably given the most best material to work
• 1:07:45
  with, which is sometimes what you want is just the Doctor to
• 1:07:49
  be given serviceable material that allows them to do unique
• 1:07:54
  things that can be seen in the eyes of the family audience as
• 1:07:59
  heroic. And I think the story kind of
• 1:08:02
  achieves that. I agree with all of that, yeah,
• 1:08:07
  but the writing for him in that climatic scene I just think is
• 1:08:12
  terrible. But that's not Colin's fault,
• 1:08:14
  and he plays what he's given and he plays it wholeheartedly.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah, it's so real advice. But yeah, everything else,
• 1:08:21
  absolutely well. You have one more you have to
• 1:08:24
  do. I was.
• 1:08:27
  I was going to mention Liz Parker does the music for this
• 1:08:30
  and it's. I mean, it's nice for
• 1:08:33
  representation, but it's the score I don't.
• 1:08:38
  Mind the score for this. It's less intrusive.
• 1:08:41
  It's been a lot of the scores in it's it's sort of an under
• 1:08:44
  score, but it's not going to be that so, but I wanted to mention
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  her because I didn't mention her in the story.
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  No, of course, my last thing can only possibly be what I consider
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  to be the greatest single line in the entirety of Doctor Who.
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  And no, it's not. Pray yourself.
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  For the time lash, most people depart with a scream.
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  Although that is a zinger, it's. The same could not be said about
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  our leader, the. Borat of Carville, the most
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  luminous force in the Galaxy. I just love that.
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  I think Darrow put himself through Rada, really just to say
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  that line and he delivers it and then he dies.
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  I mean, it's just gold. Yeah, it can't take the screen,
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  can't take him anymore short circuits.
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  But no, I mean. I think we did quite well at
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  finding sort of nice things to say about Time Lash whilst also
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  acknowledging this manifest of faults.
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  Well, I think that's the interesting thing about this
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  podcast is that we we can talk about different areas of the
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  show and I think it's important to talk about these stories in
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  context. You know every The good thing
• 1:09:57
  about hamster with pen knife is that eventually, no matter how
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  long it takes you, every single Doctor Who story will receive.
• 1:10:06
  It's time in the sun and. Several times, some have
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  already. Well, indeed, and will get a
• 1:10:12
  chance for people to come up and defend it and you know that this
• 1:10:18
  is one that's and then they were quite rich from that level.
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  But we we've talked about it at least.
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  I mean, I had a wonderful time watching it with you.
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  Yeah. So I think we we won here.
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  Exactly. We had fun watching.
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  The two things weren't necessarily correlated.
• 1:10:37
  We both watched and we had fun. You start and end on a bitchy
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  comment. I love it.
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  Come on dear, I wouldn't want you not on my side.
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  You know well a great responsibility is about to be
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  stowed upon your shoulders. Okay?
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  Why do you look scared right now?
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  Well, we've gone from the time monster to time that.
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  No. I don't even know what the next
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  level is. I've made you watch some real
• 1:11:05
  stinkers. You know, some proper wet farts
• 1:11:07
  of Doctor Who stories. Now I'm throwing open the gates
• 1:11:11
  to the whole 60 years and saying where do you want to go next?
• 1:11:15
  You can determine the level of quality we're going to watch.
• 1:11:18
  Well, my obviously my challenge of a little game that I've said
• 1:11:28
  at the start of this episode was I love, I would love if we could
• 1:11:31
  talk about every doctor at some point.
• 1:11:33
  That's right. We've obviously put our plans
• 1:11:36
  with Stephen B, who obviously you know, for a little bit
• 1:11:40
  behind the scenes context. Today is Monday, the 11th of
• 1:11:43
  November and we thought, oh great, 11th of November.
• 1:11:47
  What a great time for us to do our human nature family blood
• 1:11:51
  commentary, which we've been been discussing.
• 1:11:54
  Unfortunately, for personal reasons, Stephen obviously can't
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  be here today. So I'm sure he's going to be
• 1:12:00
  delighted. But we've talked about him
• 1:12:01
  equally. Good story in his absence.
• 1:12:04
  He hates it so much he'll have great fun listening.
• 1:12:07
  To me, yeah, he had to. He had to talk about time.
• 1:12:10
  That's why I suppose it's only fair.
• 1:12:11
  But I did as well, so the same. Punishments.
• 1:12:16
  That's only fair. With 12345, OK, well, one story
• 1:12:24
  which for eagerly and viewers might remember our previous
• 1:12:30
  story, Amy's Choice. And you asked me Jack, where are
• 1:12:33
  we going to go next? And I decidedly did not say time
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  Lash. And yet we somehow ended up
• 1:12:40
  doing Time Lash. Life sometimes throws you an
• 1:12:42
  interesting You don't. Remember, do you remember the
• 1:12:46
  story that we actively said? Oh, please do.
• 1:12:48
  You know how many conversations I've had since then?
• 1:12:50
  Yeah, well, we've mentioned them a couple of times in this
• 1:12:55
  commentary. Track your favorite part of this
• 1:12:58
  team of all it's the 12th Doctor and Clara Oswald, everyone's
• 1:13:04
  favorite for this team. Definitely not related to the
• 1:13:10
  5th Doctor Perry in any way. No comparisons could be made.
• 1:13:14
  We could absolutely do that, couldn't we?
• 1:13:16
  Now it's November and you know what they say about NN is almost
• 1:13:22
  December and then know what happens in December.
• 1:13:27
  Why it's the last Christmas that Clara Oswald will ever face.
• 1:13:33
  Yes, Oh, I love, love Christmas with all my heart.
• 1:13:37
  Look, one thing you need to know about Clara Oswald, she will
• 1:13:41
  never be in another people probably Christmas episode after
• 1:13:44
  last Christmas because it says last Christmas.
• 1:13:48
  So it must be her final episode. And we're going to talk all
• 1:13:51
  about how it's definitely her final episode and nothing will
• 1:13:56
  change. How nothing makes sense if it's
• 1:13:59
  not her last. No, why on earth would you call
• 1:14:02
  it a lost Christmas and then not having to be a lost and they.
• 1:14:07
  Dare I suggest you know without bending hell that it is a better
• 1:14:12
  last episode than the last episode she actually got?
• 1:14:16
  Well, I do like both Hell Bent and obviously last Christmas.
• 1:14:21
  Which one isn't it? Well, that's yeah, it's it's a
• 1:14:24
  hardest team I love and would happily watch do almost anything
• 1:14:29
  you famously not such team admirer or Stephen Moffat or
• 1:14:35
  Claire Oswald or even the 12 Doctor so.
• 1:14:39
  I'm going to challenge you on that because that little period
• 1:14:43
  from Kill the Moon through to last Christmas, that is my
• 1:14:48
  favorite run of episodes in entire Morphett era.
• 1:14:52
  I love that run of episodes. Well, yeah, you include in the
• 1:14:56
  fourth of the night. I have a grudging respect for In
• 1:14:59
  the Forest of the Night, whilst I think it's really bad.
• 1:15:06
  But and we've circled background star unless you can.
• 1:15:08
  It's it would be my honour to talk about Stephen Moffett and
• 1:15:14
  Clara Oswald with you. Please take this as a as a
• 1:15:19
  recognition of my love for you. All right, now I'm willing to do
• 1:15:22
  this. That's why I definitely feel
• 1:15:26
  the, I feel the love, you know, picking in my general bells.