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Jaguars Thursday: July 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Now did you get things started? Here's the host of
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Thursday, J P. Shadrick. We're often running a training
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Speaker 1: camp edition of Jaguars Thursday, a new time for Jaguars Thursday,
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Speaker 1: and a new co host. Tony Basselli joins us for
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Speaker 1: the first time in months. Unbelievable. What's the new here?
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Speaker 1: That actually is? It really is. No, it's good to
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Speaker 1: see you. I was with you in London. Yeah, I know,
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Speaker 1: but I mean I'm talking like like here, not just
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Speaker 1: like over the phone or you know, chatting via some
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Speaker 1: other communication avenue. I mean the guys like Ben, I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's today, he's telling he's been Barcelona, Italy really caprio.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, it must be good
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Speaker 1: to be Basselli. It must be. I want to be
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Speaker 1: Tony when I grow up one day. He's making me
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Speaker 1: jealous though, that uh Barcelona you said was just unbelievable. Now,
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Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure this out in off
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Speaker 1: teal Antonio this earlier, and this is totally We got dragon.
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Speaker 1: We got plenty of time, We had plenty but the
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Speaker 1: just it was camp. But it wasn't like a camp
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Speaker 1: starts on t A Okay, so uh. When I when
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Speaker 1: over to NFL Europe to broadcast the game for Fox,
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Speaker 1: which had the contract at the time. The head coach
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Speaker 1: of the Barcelona Dragons was a I believe it was
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Speaker 1: the former head coach of the Boston College Eagles. Okay,
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember his name, but he he coached.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you can remember he coached at Boston College forever
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Speaker 1: and was and had good success. So anyway, he was
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Speaker 1: in retirement. He had retired from coaching college football and
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Speaker 1: was given the opportunity to coach the Barcelona Dragons. And
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Speaker 1: he made a deal with him said that if you
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Speaker 1: provide me with housing on the beach in Barcelona, said,
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Speaker 1: I'll be the coach. Okay, I'll say this right now
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Speaker 1: if they have another World League. But seriously, Jack mcnell
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Speaker 1: was like that. He literally coached the Barcelona Dragons for
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Speaker 1: every year that NFL Europe was in existence, and he
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Speaker 1: had he had his little you know, penthouse, sweet and
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Speaker 1: Barcelona on the beach, and he wasn't leaving. Pretty nice,
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Speaker 1: pretty good deal. Well, summertimes over, at least the summer
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Speaker 1: break time is over. Summers getting heated up outside on
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Speaker 1: the practice fields at the Dream Finders Homes Practice Complex
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Speaker 1: training camp started today. Uh. You know, as you said, guys,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not like you know, the first padded practice.
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Speaker 1: It's an o T A day basically is what it
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Speaker 1: was today. A lot of guys tramping up, a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys on the ground a little bit later in
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Speaker 1: the day. Wasn't the bright, sunny, hot day. It was
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Speaker 1: still pretty warm and the first even saying it's the
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Speaker 1: first day on the field, it's a mile, it was
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Speaker 1: very nice. It was not hot at all. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: It really wasn't hot. It was a cool day. I mean,
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Speaker 1: for this compared to what it could be, very safe.
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Speaker 1: As I am, I sat out in the Ian sweat.
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Speaker 1: You said, it not us, by the way, Well you're
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Speaker 1: fat all the time now. It was. That was pretty
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Speaker 1: mild day, JP and uh. And I was kind of
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Speaker 1: surprised and not surprised though, because I mean, none of
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Speaker 1: the quote unquote name players, you know, I was sitting there.
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Speaker 1: None of them that that I saw were like sucking
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Speaker 1: water down or bending over at the waist and trying
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Speaker 1: to gasping for air or anything like that. But there
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Speaker 1: was some guys that made you go, Okay, let me,
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Speaker 1: look at my roster, said number, you know, twenty eight
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Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, using Fred Taylor's old number, obviously
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Speaker 1: number twenty eight. There he's having a hard time finishing
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Speaker 1: this practice and you didn't know who he was. There
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Speaker 1: was a number of them, which is typical, you know,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of players that haven't been around the
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Speaker 1: block or in the league very long. There's a reason
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Speaker 1: why they're either young or not in the league because
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Speaker 1: they're not prepared when they came in for the very
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Speaker 1: first day. But the other thing too that I will
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Speaker 1: say this, you can't simulate the training camp no matter
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Speaker 1: where you train or how hard you train. No, that's
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Speaker 1: the truth. You just can't because the pace picks up
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Speaker 1: and wait to get pads on then and and it's competitive,
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Speaker 1: and it's competitive, and that's the different anxiety. Uh when
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Speaker 1: I say exactly, it's like you're trying to because I've
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Speaker 1: guys are fighting for jobs out there now and it's
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Speaker 1: on the line. So it just right, I don't care
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Speaker 1: how good your wind is coming in and you care
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Speaker 1: in forties and one tens and everything else all day long.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make it difference. I
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Speaker 1: just remember, you know, trying to get ready for a
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Speaker 1: training camp and you're doing you literally, you're doing all
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Speaker 1: the practice drills, you know, when you're working out, trying
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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, if i can do all the practice drills,
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Speaker 1: then I'll be good for camp. But that's it never
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Speaker 1: works that way because the practice drills that you do,
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Speaker 1: you know on your own or you know, with a
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Speaker 1: little workout group that you have, it's not the same
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Speaker 1: as the anxiety, the stress. But then also the competition
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Speaker 1: because you know what JP of me at the three
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Speaker 1: of us and as fatting out of shape as that
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Speaker 1: you know, three of us might be, well, we're still
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Speaker 1: gonna compete, you know, JP, I'm just telling you in shape,
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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit anyway. My point is that if
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Speaker 1: no matter how out of shape we all might be,
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Speaker 1: when we put our hand on the line to do
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Speaker 1: an individual drill, you're we're competing. You know, even though
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Speaker 1: there's no okay trophy for the guy that wins, you'r
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Speaker 1: you still compete. And Gonquay competes against Dante Fowler when
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Speaker 1: Dante's practicing okay, Malik Jackson is competing with Marcel Darius
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Speaker 1: and individuals even though there's nobody sitting there measuring the
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Speaker 1: two of them. Clais Campbell is going to compete with
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Speaker 1: Tavi Brian because in Clayson's mine, he's gonna go that
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Speaker 1: young guy right there, I'm gonna make sure I keep
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Speaker 1: up with him and the young guy sitting there going,
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I beat the old guy,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And still the competition is there,
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Speaker 1: and that makes the energy level and I think the
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Speaker 1: the amount of energy expended, it makes it go up.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Clay is worried about I think he's
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Speaker 1: gonna be okay, right, but everything else he said, everything
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Speaker 1: else he said, okay, I agree with that was stretch.
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Speaker 1: Be know, it's not like the old days, of course,
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Speaker 1: where it's two a day on the field practices and
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Speaker 1: not that they're out there twice a day, but they
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Speaker 1: are out for a walk through later today. They're in
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Speaker 1: the building till like nine o'clock tonight. They got That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's like easy though, call it two
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Speaker 1: days and he'll get fired. I know that's a really
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Speaker 1: easy one. But it is a long day in the building.
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Speaker 1: It's well, I mean, you know what, j P. That's
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Speaker 1: a long practice. I mean, I mean it's two and
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Speaker 1: a half hours. That was that right there. That's a
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Speaker 1: that that was out there for a while. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're out there eight team breaks in
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Speaker 1: the heat, you know, and you you're out there for
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Speaker 1: you know, you're out there for Jeff mentioned this long.
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Speaker 1: My eyes were getting tired watching it. But you were
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Speaker 1: talking about how many breaks they get too, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: I he was actually uh, because Tony and I both
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Speaker 1: agreed with this is that you know, back in the day,
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Speaker 1: we had a similar type of you know, structure okay,
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Speaker 1: where when you get when you had a break, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's design breaks throughout the course of practice and and obviously, uh,
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Speaker 1: with you know some past incidents of players, you know,
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Speaker 1: struggling to get through camp and having major health concerns
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Speaker 1: during camp, they have built in brakes and then they
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Speaker 1: send the players over to an area that's got a roof,
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Speaker 1: and it's got fans, and it's got what they call
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Speaker 1: a cool zone. So it's literally it's like portable air
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Speaker 1: conditioning to cool the bodies down, et cetera, to get
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Speaker 1: them hydrated. And as a player, I thought that that
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Speaker 1: thing was cool if it was like right next door
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Speaker 1: to where I was standing. But if it was a
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards away, okay, and we've got to
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Speaker 1: run to the cool zone for a break. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to run a hundred and fifty yards to get
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Speaker 1: in a cool zone. I'd rather take any where I
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Speaker 1: was at and bring the cool over here and I'll
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Speaker 1: take a drink and then when it's time to go
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Speaker 1: back to work, it's time to go back to work.
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Speaker 1: And then also if you had to run a hundred
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Speaker 1: yards for like the second or third break, you're like,
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Speaker 1: let's just get this practice over with. Let's go, let's
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Speaker 1: skip the brakes, let's go. We can get water in
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Speaker 1: between where we're not working out. So you know, the
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Speaker 1: cool zone is nice, but it needs to be like
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Speaker 1: right where the drill is for a player to be happy,
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Speaker 1: because if you gotta if you gotta expend energy to
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Speaker 1: get to the cool zone to take a break, yeah,
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Speaker 1: pass on it. Good crowd today Opening day it was
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Speaker 1: I mean the parking spot that that that I don't
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Speaker 1: know about U Tony, but coming to the stadium today
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Speaker 1: and there was there wasn't a lot. It was it
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Speaker 1: was like you're way out in left field park. I
8:58
Speaker 1: mean I think I parked. Are the Jumbo shrink playing tonight?
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Speaker 1: I believe so. I mean where I parked, that would
9:05
Speaker 1: have been like front row for the baseball field. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I found the visitors parking, the thirty minute parking up front.
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Speaker 1: Oh of course you did, come on, Employee of the Month.
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Speaker 1: I waking, trust me. It was so far back. I
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Speaker 1: was taking the ploy of the month. Unbelievable. Well, there
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Speaker 1: was a long walk. We got bad hips to make sense. So, um,
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Speaker 1: what's the what was the biggest standout today? Nothing on
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Speaker 1: the field. Nothing for you. I mean that's not an
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Speaker 1: unexpected answer. No what I'm saying, And honestly, I mean
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Speaker 1: it was like an O T A. I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: going to look good. I mean nothing. But I think
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Speaker 1: it's hard for saying this stood out until you really
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Speaker 1: get the competition of pads and you get some one
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Speaker 1: on one and see you guys going after it, which
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Speaker 1: is Saturday. I mean, did I mean, did anything jump out?
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Speaker 1: The things that jumped out already you know, which you
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Speaker 1: know we talked to an off season about the O
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Speaker 1: T s and then the mini camp. Things that stood
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Speaker 1: out there, the execution by the quarterback. Uh that stood
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Speaker 1: out again today. I thought he was pretty good. He
10:06
Speaker 1: he had a couple of real nice deep balls that
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Speaker 1: he threw um the offensive line. I mean, what do
10:13
Speaker 1: you tell about a big guy except for the you know,
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Speaker 1: their feet are moving. Uh, they appeared to be in shape. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There was one particular play that kind of stood out
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Speaker 1: in my mind that Norwell was blocking. Uh. I can't
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Speaker 1: remember if it was choleiss I for it was somebody else,
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Speaker 1: But I mean how strong he showed on the play.
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's pretty good, you know, for
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Speaker 1: no pads, you're still showing that strength, you know. Um.
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Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, it's it's it was
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Speaker 1: an O t A day. You know, the guys finished,
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Speaker 1: the running backs, finished the drills, you know, as far
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Speaker 1: as executed the place one. I mean, once they got
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Speaker 1: in the open, they took it to the house. Um.
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Speaker 1: But no, I mean overall, I mean, there's there's not
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Speaker 1: a whole lot to be put it this way, there's
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Speaker 1: nothing new that we can say, Wow, after one day
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Speaker 1: of a note pads practice and training camp, that is
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Speaker 1: something that's new in groundbreaking from what we've already covered
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Speaker 1: about O T A. But I think more of it
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Speaker 1: is you we haven't seen these guys on the field,
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Speaker 1: and what's six weeks. So there was a storyline that
11:17
Speaker 1: Winnard was losing some weight in this offseason, and he
11:21
Speaker 1: looked trimorn good and and and and here's the thing,
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Speaker 1: I mean, like you expected, it looked like that his
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Speaker 1: cardio wind held throughout practice. It's that groundbreaking, Not really,
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Speaker 1: but I mean it's good to see. I mean, so
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that were good to see, okay,
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Speaker 1: quote unquote and the first day of of a no
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Speaker 1: Pats practice and training camp. But I mean, nothing, nothing
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Speaker 1: earth shattering. You know, I will say this, and Tony,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree with me or not.
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Speaker 1: You know, the one the one thing that that I
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Speaker 1: left O t a s in mini camp with was
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Speaker 1: wondering about the backup quarterback Kessler. You know, would he
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Speaker 1: be good enough to where this team stands Pat and says, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, we traded for him, and it was obviously
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Speaker 1: a conditional pick. You know, will he progress enough to
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Speaker 1: where you feel good about where he's at? Because you know,
12:14
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Last year and the year before that,
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Speaker 1: you you spent money Okay, significant amount of money to
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Speaker 1: keep Chad Henney, who's a quality backup on this football team.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think that Kessler is at
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Speaker 1: that level right now as far as from from my
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Speaker 1: eye test, and so I would like to see him,
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Speaker 1: you know, take steps forward in this training camp. Otherwise,
12:39
Speaker 1: you know, me, you might have this team on the lookout.
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Speaker 1: What we're talking about a backup quarterback, you know, but
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Speaker 1: I will go back and Tony and I are in
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Speaker 1: agreeing with this. Brandon Allen, who they had an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to keep last year, who they let go. I think
12:51
Speaker 1: if he was on this roster right now, you'd be
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Speaker 1: you'd be pretty doll gone happy where you're at, you know,
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Speaker 1: with your backup quarterback. And we both him, yeah, we
12:59
Speaker 1: we both like made camp. Think you guys are still
13:01
Speaker 1: hurt by that brought Brandon Allen up. Nobody's The reality
13:09
Speaker 1: is is that look, you know, watching Brandon Allen last year,
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Speaker 1: you know he's got a he has the ability. And
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but it's it appeared that when he
13:19
Speaker 1: got into a game type SIP situation where things weren't
13:23
Speaker 1: so so so much on script, that he he performed
13:28
Speaker 1: he could raise his level of play a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And so I thought he had a nice arm. I
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Speaker 1: thought he was mobile. I thought he had quick release.
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Speaker 1: Uh do I think very athletic. Do I think he
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Speaker 1: could have been a franchise quarterback? I wouldn't go that far,
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Speaker 1: but I think he would have been a good backup
13:43
Speaker 1: in this league for a long period of time. When
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Speaker 1: I think with Jeff saying, is it right now with
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Speaker 1: Brandon Allen, you feel better at the backup quarterback situation
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Speaker 1: than you do with Cody Kessler. And he's an SC guy,
13:53
Speaker 1: you know. I mean so, I mean when he tooting
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Speaker 1: horn of an SC guy, I mean that's I mean, hell,
14:00
Speaker 1: he used to love Kurt Barber. When Kurt Barber came
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Speaker 1: out years ago and he got to the Jets and
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Speaker 1: he was not a good football at though. Uh is
14:11
Speaker 1: it after a couple of preseason games you start kind
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Speaker 1: of thinking about that he's not. Yeah, I mean I think, well,
14:18
Speaker 1: that's the thing you wait for the because that's the
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Speaker 1: waiver wire. There's no one out there right now. I mean,
14:21
Speaker 1: so it's not like here's the d O j P.
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Speaker 1: These guys are gonna have to get cut. So that's
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Speaker 1: that's the very well. I mean, that's where you may
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Speaker 1: end up being. You know, I mean, look if you
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Speaker 1: if but if you find a and I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, I mean this is this is
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Speaker 1: all hypothetical because you know what, maybe he develops and
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Speaker 1: he looks fantastic and there's no concern whatsoever, and that
14:43
Speaker 1: would be the perfect scenario. But let's say that, you know,
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Speaker 1: the progress is not made, there's still questions there. Pick
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Speaker 1: up a veteran guy at the right time, and even
14:52
Speaker 1: if he only has a week, you know, to learn
14:55
Speaker 1: the game plan going into week one, you know, you
14:58
Speaker 1: roll the dice a little bit that you've out of
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Speaker 1: a quarterback who can stay healthy and who will stay healthy.
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Speaker 1: And then if you're veteran that you acquired, okay at
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Speaker 1: the very end of preseason, if he has to play,
15:08
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna dune down the playbook and have
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Speaker 1: like four or five running plays and maybe two pass
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Speaker 1: plays and try to make it and get by, you know,
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Speaker 1: until he does pick up the game plan. But I mean,
15:18
Speaker 1: that's that's hypothetical. But I mean it's it's something that
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Speaker 1: I'm watching. I can tell you that, you know, because
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Speaker 1: you know last year we had you know, there was
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Speaker 1: a whole debate about about Blake and and Chad and
15:31
Speaker 1: then okay, the position battle was opened up, and you know,
15:35
Speaker 1: everybody had an opinion. Some people were for Chad, some
15:37
Speaker 1: people for Blake and Brandon Allen and somewhere and and
15:41
Speaker 1: I've all along said that Chad Henny is a backup.
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Speaker 1: That's what he is. And I think he's a good backup.
15:47
Speaker 1: But I would have liked to have seen at some point,
15:50
Speaker 1: you know, because what was Chad's number last year? Five
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Speaker 1: six million as a backup quarterba was close to Ford
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Speaker 1: just either just under four just okay, I mean Brandon
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Speaker 1: o sheet now, I mean if it was my money
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Speaker 1: and my and with my eyes and I'll take Brandon
16:06
Speaker 1: that your money that if it was your money, would
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Speaker 1: be all individual uh, you know, low round minimum players.
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Speaker 1: All right, why not? We've got a lot coming up
16:17
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, These Saturdays, when we get
16:20
Speaker 1: it gets fun, that's gonna get fun. We're talking about
16:22
Speaker 1: Jaguars Thursday for one more week before it becomes Jaguars
16:26
Speaker 1: Happy Hour. Why isn't it just Jaguars Happy r now?
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Speaker 1: And here's the other question that I have. When do
16:31
Speaker 1: we become happy? What kind of drink specials do we get?
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Speaker 1: We'll find out in a couple of weeks. August six
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Speaker 1: is the first round of shows. That's a Monday, and
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Speaker 1: we'll we'll be on every afternoon Monday through Thursday. Each week.
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Speaker 1: Four o'clock four to six is the Monday when Prisco
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Speaker 1: I was gonna jump in, will you? So that starts
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Speaker 1: six six weeks, and then an hour on Tuesday afternoon
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Speaker 1: when we're starting this because our communication was lacking, So
16:59
Speaker 1: tues say, Wednesday an hour each and then Thursday on Tuesday, uh,
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Speaker 1: Scobie and myself, okay, who's on Wednesday? And then oshure myself,
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Speaker 1: I believe Millee Jackson's gonna jump in someone, okay, And
17:10
Speaker 1: then Thursday is this show Happy Hour, followed by the
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Speaker 1: Dug Morone shows. But I'm just I wanted you to
17:17
Speaker 1: clarify that. And then every morning, Yeah, what are you
17:20
Speaker 1: going to talk about? The kicking game? Probably kick golf,
17:23
Speaker 1: you know, kicking Scooby do a good job? Did you
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Speaker 1: say the leek Jackson? Yeah right here, Mieke Jackson, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Wedna, I believe that's going to be a thing.
17:34
Speaker 1: And in the morning it's Jaguars. Doesn't he have to
17:37
Speaker 1: play football Wednesday? Yes, Jaguars d In the mornings an
17:41
Speaker 1: hour each morning, eight thirty am. We're doing sex to
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Speaker 1: National Sullivan John Osier every day, every day of the week,
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Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, five days a week. And that's on
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Speaker 1: tune in radio as well. And then these programs the
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Speaker 1: Thursday and Monday night are on Tin ten am in Jackson.
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Speaker 1: So where can I catch you again? When when are
18:06
Speaker 1: you on the afternoons? You're on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. God,
18:12
Speaker 1: it's like overkill, isn't it. And it's a lot, and
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22:34
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Speaker 1: I think I think the players understand. I think the
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22:42
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was trying to shock a team
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Speaker 1: or do something different. It's just my philosophy of of
22:55
Speaker 1: really what I believe that you need to do to
22:58
Speaker 1: get ready to play this game and play it out
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Speaker 1: of level, and we want to be able to play
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Speaker 1: it at the highest level we can. There's your head coach,
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Speaker 1: Doug Morone. That was actually yesterday. I'm reporting that we're playing.
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Speaker 1: We're playing old audio. Can't get fresh stuff on the
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Speaker 1: first show we've had so yesterday. So I don't know.
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23:41
Speaker 1: It's okay. I don't mind camp battles this year. You know,
23:47
Speaker 1: it's it's it is a different feeling around here because
23:50
Speaker 1: a lot of the defense is solidified. You know who
23:52
Speaker 1: the starters are most of those spots, all right, I
23:54
Speaker 1: mean for the most part offense defense, strong side linebacker,
24:00
Speaker 1: it's strong side linebacker, nickelback. Yeah. But here's so I
24:05
Speaker 1: was referring to. I've heard there was an article I
24:08
Speaker 1: can't remember what publication was, and uh that was basically
24:12
Speaker 1: listening like the top the biggest storylines of camp battles
24:16
Speaker 1: and uh, it was like the top hundred or top
24:19
Speaker 1: fifty whatever, it was some number. And the interesting thing
24:24
Speaker 1: about the Jaguars there was zero. There is no interesting
24:28
Speaker 1: thing because it's a it's a it's a set if
24:31
Speaker 1: you think about it. I mean, we have to like
24:33
Speaker 1: search for like the major camp battles, like strong sadliner,
24:39
Speaker 1: like receivers. It's not even the receiver, it's who's the
24:43
Speaker 1: last receiver to make the death? Who's the nickel? I mean?
24:48
Speaker 1: But I think also, I mean part of part of
24:50
Speaker 1: it toil like the defense, you know, to look at
24:52
Speaker 1: them specifically, because I mean, that's that's the focal point
24:55
Speaker 1: when most people on the outside talk about this team.
24:59
Speaker 1: The nickelback. I don't want to say it's a huge deal,
25:01
Speaker 1: but it kind of is. I mean, I mean, how
25:03
Speaker 1: many how many percentage of the snaps doesn't does nickel play?
25:07
Speaker 1: I mean it's so I mean essentially that's a starter.
25:11
Speaker 1: You know who's gonna be that nickel. I mean, that's
25:13
Speaker 1: a real that's a real thing. But I think the
25:16
Speaker 1: difference is if you went into last year's camp and
25:21
Speaker 1: we talked about the battles quarterback, right, yeah, that really
25:25
Speaker 1: wasn't a battle. It was a major storyline. It was
25:28
Speaker 1: a storyline, major storyline. We only really knew too, of
25:34
Speaker 1: the five offensive line positions Lender and Parnell. Yeah, that's right.
25:40
Speaker 1: You didn't know the left hack of Brandon Albert remember
25:42
Speaker 1: that this time we weren't. But you didn't know where.
25:47
Speaker 1: And then you know, you didn't know who the left
25:48
Speaker 1: garbs would be. You thought the right guard would be
25:51
Speaker 1: a j but it was not. It wasn't guaranteed Um
25:57
Speaker 1: running back. You figure was Leonard for that because he's
25:59
Speaker 1: the top pick wide receiver. You had all kinds of
26:02
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't have me. I mean, yeah, they
26:05
Speaker 1: rob but after that you were like, oh my gosh,
26:06
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a phenomenal year. It was just it
26:10
Speaker 1: was interesting. And you know, you had the whole storyline
26:12
Speaker 1: of Miles and puzz you know that transition. That was
26:16
Speaker 1: a train wreck, by the way, So it's just train
26:19
Speaker 1: wreck where you come into because that was that was
26:22
Speaker 1: a train wreck. I mean, the the whole the coaching
26:26
Speaker 1: staff making the switch of pazz Lesni going to Sam
26:31
Speaker 1: and Miles Jack going to the mike. That was a
26:34
Speaker 1: train wreck. And fortunately they they train back on the
26:39
Speaker 1: track and realized that and then they corrected it before
26:41
Speaker 1: it was too late. Yeah, but that was a train wreck.
26:44
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about. It was a team that was
26:45
Speaker 1: very unstable last year, especially on the offenside of the ball,
26:49
Speaker 1: and now it's a team now you look around, you're like,
26:51
Speaker 1: you know what we're talking with the nickel corner. That's
26:54
Speaker 1: pretty good. But you know, here's the best thing. The
26:57
Speaker 1: thing is though, and it was a team that was
26:59
Speaker 1: two minutes away from the super Bowl last year and
27:01
Speaker 1: now everyone's talking about they're gonna be right back there.
27:03
Speaker 1: And if you're not careful, playoffs, I mean, that's how
27:06
Speaker 1: that works. So you can't whatever the story is right
27:10
Speaker 1: now means very little because there was nobody, and I
27:14
Speaker 1: mean nobody outside of Malik Jackson who thought this team
27:19
Speaker 1: was going to the Hold on, we're gonna We're gonna
27:22
Speaker 1: do this. This is God's honest truth here. Okay, before
27:26
Speaker 1: training camp opened, your predictions on number of wins last year,
27:31
Speaker 1: Before training camp opened, I thought there would be a
27:33
Speaker 1: six or seven win. It was like between six and eight.
27:36
Speaker 1: Was kind of before training camp opened, six or seven,
27:40
Speaker 1: then training camp like seven? No, hold on, you like
27:42
Speaker 1: you were like seven or eight training That's my point. Okay,
27:46
Speaker 1: we all started before training camp, okay, that this team
27:49
Speaker 1: was gonna eight eight wins. We're kind of all right
27:53
Speaker 1: in the five hundred mis Okay, I thought you meant
27:55
Speaker 1: once camp started, I was. I started working down to
27:57
Speaker 1: the six and five, and then by the time the
28:00
Speaker 1: camp up was over, you were full. You were like four. Well,
28:04
Speaker 1: because you remember, Jeff, we were sitting there during the
28:06
Speaker 1: preseason games them, I was like maybe five. Because if
28:11
Speaker 1: you remember preseason, you're looking at a team that had
28:14
Speaker 1: no quarterback, couldn't run the ball, I mean literally couldn't.
28:19
Speaker 1: Defense was getting gas, the secondary wasn't on the field
28:24
Speaker 1: or and the defense was getting gash Remember they're getting
28:26
Speaker 1: run against it. It was like, and I remember sitting
28:28
Speaker 1: there during the games, You're like, good, I mean we
28:33
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know I picked us us
28:36
Speaker 1: to beat Houston, but that was with my heart and
28:39
Speaker 1: not my head because I really wanted us to win.
28:41
Speaker 1: But I don't think any of us thought we were
28:42
Speaker 1: going to Houston win that game. They're not having ten
28:45
Speaker 1: sacks and you know, getting starting quarterback bench and just
28:49
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson comes in late. I mean really, I mean,
28:55
Speaker 1: you know, so a lot of people because to show you,
28:58
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be careful either way. Well, here's
29:01
Speaker 1: the thing. You can be an expert quote unquote what
29:05
Speaker 1: we are, you know, but I mean sometimes it's a crazy,
29:09
Speaker 1: crazy business. Last year and what Tony was talking about earlier,
29:12
Speaker 1: this team better watch it, you know, because you know,
29:15
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, some bad things can
29:17
Speaker 1: sneak up on this football team. Take a look at
29:20
Speaker 1: the Giants last year, loving and five coming in hot
29:23
Speaker 1: ride and high, one of the favorites in the NFC,
29:26
Speaker 1: one of the best defense in the NFC, right veteran
29:30
Speaker 1: quarterback and Eli man, he just don't head coach. You
29:33
Speaker 1: know who's quote unquote bringing the Giants back, you know,
29:37
Speaker 1: and where did that get him? And the other thing is,
29:39
Speaker 1: I remember last year because you always we'll do it
29:42
Speaker 1: this year again. At some point, you know, we go
29:44
Speaker 1: through the UH schedule, we do we do? We do
29:47
Speaker 1: with Pete because you know, Pete did the whole season.
29:51
Speaker 1: If you read that games he picks every game for
29:54
Speaker 1: the whole year, and he has us going thirty and
29:57
Speaker 1: three and then yeah, anyways, I remember last year the
30:00
Speaker 1: conversation amongst all of us and a lot of the fans,
30:02
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, we should win at least
30:05
Speaker 1: four because the Rams are terrible, the forty Niners are terrible,
30:08
Speaker 1: the Jets are table, and the Browns are terrible. You know.
30:11
Speaker 1: The funny thing about that we lost three of those
30:13
Speaker 1: four games, But that's what I mean. That was the
30:16
Speaker 1: conversation going in, like, oh, the Rams are terrible, we'll
30:19
Speaker 1: beat them. Niners are awful, the Jets everyone said was
30:23
Speaker 1: gonna go in sixteen Todd both did a great job,
30:27
Speaker 1: and the Browns were terrible. Would they end up being terrible?
30:31
Speaker 1: We won one of those terrible and so that's what
30:34
Speaker 1: you can't it's so it's a crapshoot. I mean, you
30:38
Speaker 1: can't get as you wonder, you wonder because every year
30:42
Speaker 1: injuries there there's are hot there's teams that get hot,
30:46
Speaker 1: and there's teams that that are not. Who will be
30:49
Speaker 1: the teams that are not this year? And who will
30:53
Speaker 1: be the teams that are, you know, because every year
30:56
Speaker 1: there's usually three or four okay that that you did
31:00
Speaker 1: expect to do well, do well, and then there's three
31:02
Speaker 1: or four that you expect to do do well that
31:05
Speaker 1: end up in the in the out house, you know,
31:07
Speaker 1: and who will who will that be? You know? So
31:09
Speaker 1: and I think it's like some statistics like over the
31:12
Speaker 1: last twenty year or something that in the NFL every
31:16
Speaker 1: year at least there's been at least four new teams
31:19
Speaker 1: in the playoffs from the previous year. It's some crazy
31:22
Speaker 1: stat like that the turnover just rolls through, you know,
31:25
Speaker 1: outside the Patriots. That that's why, that's why when when
31:30
Speaker 1: you look at what the Patriots have done, it is
31:33
Speaker 1: it makes it even more impressive because they just they
31:36
Speaker 1: don't miss a beat. And I think that this year,
31:39
Speaker 1: with with all the conversation about you know, is this
31:41
Speaker 1: the year that the Patriots implode or is it their
31:45
Speaker 1: demise this year? Tom Brady still there, Yeah, set in
31:51
Speaker 1: the all season at some point. I mean, that train
31:54
Speaker 1: just not gonna be able to roll along like it
31:56
Speaker 1: used to. It is right now. But I'm not willing
31:59
Speaker 1: to really say that they're gonna falter because they just
32:03
Speaker 1: they have been so good for so long with that
32:06
Speaker 1: coach and that quarterback. Until they show me that they
32:11
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore, I keep believing that they will.
32:15
Speaker 1: Blake Portals spoke today after practice, and uh, you know,
32:19
Speaker 1: he made a pretty good point that you're not really
32:22
Speaker 1: sure what the identity of this team is going to
32:26
Speaker 1: be until the pads come on you start really playing,
32:28
Speaker 1: because they know how they want to play offense. I'd
32:31
Speaker 1: argue you don't know until really the preseason starts into
32:33
Speaker 1: the regular season because the real games, I mean, we
32:36
Speaker 1: knew what they wanted to be last year, a physical defense,
32:40
Speaker 1: run the ball. But after the preseason we're like, Okay,
32:43
Speaker 1: we're getting push her out on defense and we can't
32:45
Speaker 1: run a niche, so what are we gonna do? But
32:47
Speaker 1: they came out and dominated that Houston game with the
32:49
Speaker 1: ten Saxon ran up right down to the throats, you're like, okay,
32:53
Speaker 1: And and it's funny in the NFL is how moments
32:57
Speaker 1: in games and situations like that can change your momentum
33:01
Speaker 1: and kind of the path you're on. Because I really
33:02
Speaker 1: believe that game gave this team so much confidence that
33:05
Speaker 1: it kind of boosted the rest of the season. They
33:08
Speaker 1: belief and what they could do. I think guys believe it,
33:10
Speaker 1: but then you get confirmation on the field. The same
33:11
Speaker 1: thing with the Rams last year. They got started hot
33:14
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and all of a sudden you start believing it.
33:17
Speaker 1: And they one of the things I truly believe. I mean,
33:21
Speaker 1: if you if you believe you're good, you're gonna be go.
33:24
Speaker 1: I mean that's the first step. You better believe it,
33:26
Speaker 1: you better have some confidence. And so this year it'll
33:29
Speaker 1: be interesting. And I think Blake says something very well,
33:31
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, what kind of team are we going
33:33
Speaker 1: to be? Last year they were a team no one
33:35
Speaker 1: believed in new head coach. You beat the heck out
33:38
Speaker 1: of him in today's standards, and it was physical and tough.
33:41
Speaker 1: They got the big win, and they said then they
33:43
Speaker 1: played like a bully. The yes, the rest of the year,
33:46
Speaker 1: they were the bully and they believe that's what they were.
33:48
Speaker 1: They're gonna beat you up. Now they will this group
33:52
Speaker 1: be able to do that again this year? Will they
33:54
Speaker 1: have the mentality when they do the work in camp
33:56
Speaker 1: where they still play that little bit of an edge
33:58
Speaker 1: and the bully attitude and I'm out and go beat
34:01
Speaker 1: people up again? Um? Is that their personality or does
34:04
Speaker 1: it change a little bit, not just from a player
34:07
Speaker 1: standpoint but from a coaching standpoint reason And I remember
34:10
Speaker 1: they were like that that was their mentality last year
34:12
Speaker 1: because they had no confidence in the quarterback. They felt
34:14
Speaker 1: like it was the only chance they had to win
34:16
Speaker 1: was to protect the quarterback. Uh, run the ball, don't
34:20
Speaker 1: turn it over, and play smart special teams in great defense.
34:23
Speaker 1: Now there's a change a little bit. There's Nathaniel Hackett,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know, conversation with Doug Browns and hey, coach, I
34:28
Speaker 1: think you know, we can do a little bit more.
34:29
Speaker 1: We can open it up more at the quarterback. I
34:31
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see that too. Now. What But what
34:35
Speaker 1: does that do to who you are as a team?
34:37
Speaker 1: Doesn't It might just improve it, by the way, It
34:40
Speaker 1: might just make it that that's what we hope it'll
34:41
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. Those are the stories that you
34:43
Speaker 1: That's the fun thing about the NFL because it changes
34:46
Speaker 1: so much. Um, that's what it's the You know, so
34:49
Speaker 1: what's the best sports league in America? Because you just
34:52
Speaker 1: don't know? Every year the only thing you know is
34:54
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Outside of that, you know nothing else. I
34:58
Speaker 1: maybe it was you've got Aaron Rodger. They didn't make
35:00
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Slaship injury and got beat up, and they
35:03
Speaker 1: weren't playing that good before we got beat up. And
35:06
Speaker 1: so now it's not like the NBA. We're at the
35:09
Speaker 1: beginning of year. We all knew it was gonna be
35:11
Speaker 1: Cleveland Golden State, and the rest is just window dressing
35:13
Speaker 1: until we get there. You have you have no idea, Jeff,
35:18
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna open it up a little bit? Huh?
35:20
Speaker 1: I do? I really do. I think that the level
35:23
Speaker 1: of trust. Let me back up, before you go what,
35:25
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question, because you're gonna go
35:27
Speaker 1: into hy before you get into the y you think
35:30
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, I want to know your opinion.
35:33
Speaker 1: Should they Yes? Okay, I do because I think I
35:38
Speaker 1: think Blake earned a level of trust at the down
35:43
Speaker 1: the stretch and also in the playoffs in December, and
35:45
Speaker 1: then from that point on. Yeah, and I think as
35:47
Speaker 1: a coach and see the playoffs. Wait a second here
35:50
Speaker 1: in the trust in the playoffs, the first Buffalo game
35:52
Speaker 1: they called such a scared football game, still conservative. They
35:55
Speaker 1: had no confidence in the quarterback. And this is after
35:57
Speaker 1: you had a great December. So my question, I don't
35:59
Speaker 1: I don't think that was I don't think that that
36:01
Speaker 1: was a lack of confidence in Blake so much as
36:03
Speaker 1: it was a supreme confidence that their defense could shut
36:08
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills down completely. Jeff, it was so conservative.
36:12
Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember the interception they have and
36:13
Speaker 1: they have the first they went It was painful, run screen, screen,
36:21
Speaker 1: but punt. But but but you know, here's the thing
36:26
Speaker 1: that's Pittsburgh. Yeah, totally different. Yeah, that's fair. Trust they
36:33
Speaker 1: could because I think they felt like they had to
36:35
Speaker 1: because they're playing Antonio Brown. And answer the question is,
36:39
Speaker 1: but I think they may have learned something like there.
36:42
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm with Jeff. I would open it up
36:44
Speaker 1: a little bit. I wouldn't go crazy. That still be
36:46
Speaker 1: a run for you know, he's got to earn he's
36:48
Speaker 1: got to earn it, you know, but I would open
36:50
Speaker 1: it up. But I mean, yeah, I think you open
36:52
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. And and here's the thing. Uh,
36:56
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37:00
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37:02
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37:05
Speaker 1: have a little bit more balanced than what you had
37:06
Speaker 1: last year. Because here's the deal. If you if you
37:09
Speaker 1: do what you did all all of last year, this year,
37:11
Speaker 1: I think I think be a little bit a little different.
37:13
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37:16
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37:19
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37:22
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37:25
Speaker 1: But yes, Well, what I'm saying that is because because
37:28
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37:33
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37:39
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37:41
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37:43
Speaker 1: And the question I have for all of us and
37:45
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37:47
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37:52
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37:56
Speaker 1: on historic pace, they they got faltered a little bit
37:59
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38:02
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38:07
Speaker 1: That's hard to do back to back. Yere's not a
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38:10
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Speaker 1: gotta be on every time, like you know, that's a
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Speaker 1: part of growing to as a player, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, especially when when you the oldest got in
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Speaker 1: the room. We gotta take that. So that's fine. There's
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42:27
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42:41
Speaker 1: It's Happy Hour right now? Okay? It is? What's in
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Speaker 1: that cup? Then happy hour? Okay, very good? Uh. Telvin
42:50
Speaker 1: Smith A big part of that defense a year ago.
42:53
Speaker 1: I mean you've teased us before the break Tony about
42:56
Speaker 1: how dominant this defense. Well you are a tease how
42:59
Speaker 1: dominant this group was last year. Um, getting to the quarterback,
43:03
Speaker 1: not just sacks but just affecting the playback there scoring
43:06
Speaker 1: On defense, they did pretty much everything you wanted on defense.
43:10
Speaker 1: So what's Act two this year? Well, that's so the
43:13
Speaker 1: big question for me is they're gonna have And we
43:17
Speaker 1: talked about the offense a second ago about what do
43:18
Speaker 1: they open it up or not? They have to in
43:20
Speaker 1: my opinion, because you can't count on your defense scoring.
43:23
Speaker 1: When they did, they won football games by not just
43:27
Speaker 1: playing great defense but scoring points Cleveland, San Diego. It's
43:32
Speaker 1: not gonna I don't want to say it's not gonna happen.
43:35
Speaker 1: It's not probable because a lot of time turnovers coming
43:38
Speaker 1: comes in bunches too. And so you hope you have
43:40
Speaker 1: a season like that again. Well, and I think they're
43:42
Speaker 1: gonna be very good again. And here's let me just
43:45
Speaker 1: add this to it. It's gonna be hard to count
43:47
Speaker 1: on the defense only missing two games by a star,
43:52
Speaker 1: which and by the way, when you missed those two
43:55
Speaker 1: with Telvin Paul doesn't coming in, who was the star.
43:58
Speaker 1: So I mean that that that's that's not that's not
44:02
Speaker 1: easy to have happened again. Now, I mean as far
44:05
Speaker 1: as like staying healthy, that just doesn't happen. I do
44:08
Speaker 1: you ever remember a team or side of the ball,
44:11
Speaker 1: any team that you were on staying I don't remember
44:14
Speaker 1: a position group standing either. I don't. I don't ever
44:18
Speaker 1: remember a team in the National Football League as far
44:22
Speaker 1: as whether it be a really good offense or really
44:24
Speaker 1: good defense to keep everybody intact, And I'm sure it's
44:28
Speaker 1: it's happened, but it's usually a partner two missing every
44:34
Speaker 1: few weeks. I mean, yeah, that's how it works in
44:36
Speaker 1: this Yeah. They they were lining up with the same
44:39
Speaker 1: group of guys every week. So I mean, I'm very
44:44
Speaker 1: curious as much as we talked about the offense and
44:48
Speaker 1: will they take the next step? And will they do
44:50
Speaker 1: this and do that? All great I mean great conversations
44:53
Speaker 1: and very uh will we see the progression of Blake Bortles?
44:56
Speaker 1: Does he take the next step? Yauda, YadA, YadA. I
45:00
Speaker 1: the defense, it's a great unit with great players. I mean,
45:04
Speaker 1: they have guys who are top five players in their position.
45:08
Speaker 1: A lot of fun we have, I mean we talked
45:09
Speaker 1: about it last year. We had had that in a
45:11
Speaker 1: long time here and it's fun to see you at
45:14
Speaker 1: the top hundred list and a bunch of those guys
45:15
Speaker 1: are from our defense. Getting to the top is hard.
45:21
Speaker 1: It's harder to stay at the top. It is so
45:26
Speaker 1: much harder to stay up there. Can this defense maintain
45:29
Speaker 1: the level of play that we saw last year? You
45:32
Speaker 1: want to be a great defense, you gotta do it.
45:35
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty simple. Yeah, I mean, if if
45:37
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a great defense, you can't have one
45:41
Speaker 1: great season and say, oh wait, we're great. Don't you
45:46
Speaker 1: gotta go win? I mean you think, well, you think
45:49
Speaker 1: of the great defenses that have that have been in
45:51
Speaker 1: the National Football League, and and some of the more
45:54
Speaker 1: recent defenses that have been really good. Seattle obviously, Baltimore
45:58
Speaker 1: Ravens to run with their defense, they were fantastic, Justin
46:04
Speaker 1: Smith in that group when Jim Harball was their head coach.
46:09
Speaker 1: You know, so pretty good right now, by the way,
46:15
Speaker 1: with that defense, you know, led by Von Miller, who's
46:18
Speaker 1: arguably the best keep football players is gone now. Nobody
46:22
Speaker 1: I'm saying back then. I mean, and you know, here's
46:26
Speaker 1: the thing attached to all those quote unquote great defenses.
46:30
Speaker 1: There's a Super Bowl win and so don't have one yet.
46:34
Speaker 1: And this year, baby, in my mind want me to
46:36
Speaker 1: lock it right now, JP, You're not great, you're for
46:40
Speaker 1: happy hour. You're not great unless you win, unless you
46:43
Speaker 1: win a big game or the big game, which is
46:47
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That they had a chance last year,
46:49
Speaker 1: got a chance, didn't make it, had a chance right
46:55
Speaker 1: there in your hands. Yes, I talked about I think
46:59
Speaker 1: about that team. I think about that third and eight
47:02
Speaker 1: team played more than anything. Yeah, Myles Jack wasn't down,
47:05
Speaker 1: which was out of their hands. Yeah, that mean that
47:06
Speaker 1: that was But the third and eight team the bogus
47:10
Speaker 1: interference call. But the third eighteen is a big one
47:13
Speaker 1: because it was because you control that one. You can't
47:17
Speaker 1: control the officials blown a call. Yeah, that's it happened
47:21
Speaker 1: to of them. Now. I know you can't control though, Jeff,
47:23
Speaker 1: you know that we've been in those games. But well,
47:25
Speaker 1: you can't control is making a play. There was a
47:30
Speaker 1: team that who who's Trent del for the quarterback up
47:35
Speaker 1: when they won a Super Bowl, Baltimore Ribbons. Yeah, that's right.
47:40
Speaker 1: Actually the only quarterback the second half, you know, the
47:42
Speaker 1: quarterback of the first half was that season, Tony Banks.
47:46
Speaker 1: Tony Banks and the reason I remember that one, uh,
47:50
Speaker 1: he was a teammate with me for the one year
47:51
Speaker 1: at Houstonton And the other reason I remember that is
47:54
Speaker 1: because we put up thirty five points on the number
47:56
Speaker 1: one defense scoring defense in the history of the NFL.
47:58
Speaker 1: As an offense, Tony Banks decided to throw and our
48:01
Speaker 1: defensive than him to throw five touchdown passes to beat
48:05
Speaker 1: us like thirty five. I wish you were on that defense.
48:09
Speaker 1: I can make I know coming up at Daily's place,
48:13
Speaker 1: busy schedule, counting crows and live to August four. The
48:18
Speaker 1: next night it's O A R. August seven, three eleven
48:21
Speaker 1: in the offspring. Oh, I went to the O A R.
48:24
Speaker 1: O R played last year with somebody else. I think
48:27
Speaker 1: did they play O A R and trained together? Yes?
48:29
Speaker 1: I was at that concert. I was there too. He's
48:31
Speaker 1: a good concert, was very good. Yes, no train this year,
48:33
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48:36
Speaker 1: Shows later in the fall include Darius Rucker When's that?
48:40
Speaker 1: And Sting and Shaggy together. When is Darius Rucker's during
48:44
Speaker 1: It's the Jets Sunday, it's after the Jets game. I
48:47
Speaker 1: will be at Darius Rucker. I know who Sting is
48:51
Speaker 1: and Shaggy the only the only thing I know. Shaggy
48:53
Speaker 1: is from Scooby Doo. That's not that's not why who
49:00
Speaker 1: come back? And in a little bit, No, we can't
49:02
Speaker 1: come back. Come back. We're gonna come back. We're gonna
49:04
Speaker 1: come back to some Shaggy. We'll see if Joe can
49:06
Speaker 1: find I don't know who Shaggy is. You'll you'll know
49:08
Speaker 1: it when you hear it. You don't know, Yeah, I
49:10
Speaker 1: think so. He had a couple of hits in the nineties,
49:12
Speaker 1: kind of deal, kind of a reggae type guy. Okay, yeah,
49:15
Speaker 1: I believe you. Anyway, let's go around the National Football League,
49:19
Speaker 1: shall we? Camp? Holdouts are here. Julio Jones, a no show,
49:24
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald as well. Donald's due to earn
49:29
Speaker 1: right around seven million this year, finally year of his deal,
49:32
Speaker 1: less sneed the Rams. GM said earlier the Rams are
49:35
Speaker 1: in line to make him the league's highest paid defensive player.
49:38
Speaker 1: Now Mac and Donald are holding out at the same time,
49:43
Speaker 1: they're both gonna be the want to be the highest
49:45
Speaker 1: paid defensive what's gonna happen? A couple of interesting things
49:49
Speaker 1: are Julio Jones, He's gonna come to camp. They worked out,
49:52
Speaker 1: They worked out there. That's done. All right, we'll keep
49:56
Speaker 1: you honest active. Um, he was holding out. He's making
49:59
Speaker 1: tenant half this year. He wants to make more in
50:03
Speaker 1: line with the other top receivers, which he is one
50:05
Speaker 1: of them. Uh So they're not gonna rip up his deal.
50:08
Speaker 1: They're gonna give a couple of bonuses. I think probably
50:09
Speaker 1: get him over twelve and a half right around there.
50:12
Speaker 1: The other two you talk about in Mac and Donald,
50:17
Speaker 1: both Devens players, both probably think they should be the
50:19
Speaker 1: highest paid player. I'd rather have Aaron Donald, I think
50:21
Speaker 1: right now. Uh clear, Max very good too, But Aaron
50:24
Speaker 1: Donald is a disruptive dude at free techniques. But I
50:28
Speaker 1: don't know how the Rams are gonna pay. They paid
50:29
Speaker 1: everybody else, they paid uh, Brandon Cooks, they paid DoD Gurley.
50:33
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a lot of money out there,
50:36
Speaker 1: you know. So, but he dinna hold out until the
50:39
Speaker 1: last possible second. Again, that is gonna be uh as
50:43
Speaker 1: far as you know, must see TV watching that Rams defense.
50:48
Speaker 1: Uh they've added some yet they got to leave and uh,
50:54
Speaker 1: I mean that's I think that's other things that Donald
50:57
Speaker 1: was making like ten and Aaron Donald's like wait a second,
50:58
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna make six and a half year and
51:00
Speaker 1: you're talking, I mean, already was a really good defense.
51:03
Speaker 1: And then you're adding a couple of veteran guys that
51:05
Speaker 1: are proven, proven commodities to that defense. Is gonna make
51:08
Speaker 1: them even better? And then the Clio mac thinks really interesting?
51:11
Speaker 1: Is uh here's the thing with was it reported that
51:14
Speaker 1: by Adam Schefter? Schefter right? Schefter? Yeah? Uh? That he
51:17
Speaker 1: has since John Gruden has been hired, Gruden and Mack
51:22
Speaker 1: have not spoken at all at all. I have not
51:25
Speaker 1: talked on the phone, have not seen each other, have
51:28
Speaker 1: not communicated at all. Let me let me ask you this.
51:31
Speaker 1: How about that Either one of you can answer this,
51:34
Speaker 1: name me one other great player on that Raiders defense.
51:39
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to name another player on that defense. It's
51:41
Speaker 1: a good question of the safety from West Virginia near
51:45
Speaker 1: the US like that was a late first round pick.
51:47
Speaker 1: I'm a smaller guy. Yeah, but he's not a great player.
51:49
Speaker 1: I'm thinking players. Wasn't DJ Hayden there? Yeah, but he was,
51:55
Speaker 1: Like that was like his set two teams ago for him.
51:57
Speaker 1: He's with us now right and he was with another
51:59
Speaker 1: team last year. Um, I can't do it. Sean Smith,
52:03
Speaker 1: I think he got. I think he's arrested. I mean,
52:05
Speaker 1: that's like years ago. You're living in the past on
52:08
Speaker 1: that one. Sean Smith was there Sean Smith JP. But
52:12
Speaker 1: that's my point is is that look, that's that defense
52:15
Speaker 1: is in Oakland, Okay, is not exactly flush with talent.
52:20
Speaker 1: You know, Khalil Mack is. I don't want to say
52:22
Speaker 1: he's a one man band because nobody is. In football.
52:25
Speaker 1: He's a free agent. He was with the Raiders in trumble.
52:29
Speaker 1: Then you get in trouble. That's why I got cut
52:30
Speaker 1: or something. One year in jail. Yeah, yeah, that don't
52:33
Speaker 1: keep you from playing. Sorry, I thought that's what happened.
52:36
Speaker 1: He's not funny though he was released. What's he worth? Smith? No? No, now, okay,
52:44
Speaker 1: what would you pay Khalil Mack? And then also what
52:48
Speaker 1: would you pay uh, I'd pay Aaron Donald million dollars
52:58
Speaker 1: d that wanted about Clue Mac? What do you think
53:01
Speaker 1: he's worth here? Fifteen to sixteen less? Wow? I mean
53:06
Speaker 1: I'm throwing numbers out. I don't know what the market is,
53:09
Speaker 1: but I mean top players are those coins Campbell? What
53:11
Speaker 1: do you fifteen years? Yeah, so I mean I'm probablyting
53:14
Speaker 1: Max seventeen he's younger. And I know what Donald wants.
53:18
Speaker 1: Donald wants twenty a year. Well, we'd all like I'd
53:22
Speaker 1: love Tony a year, right, Yeah, I mean, there's nothing
53:24
Speaker 1: wrong with you're getting twenty grand a year. You should
53:28
Speaker 1: be had exactly. Odell Beckham Jr. Is in camp for
53:34
Speaker 1: the Giants. He's not holding out today. The Giants co
53:37
Speaker 1: owner John Morris said the team would talk to Beckham's
53:40
Speaker 1: agents sooner rather than later. He's gonna make about eight
53:43
Speaker 1: and a half million or so this year, and you
53:45
Speaker 1: consider Watkins and Cook's just got the big bag? What's
53:49
Speaker 1: coming for Odell? Uh? Walking down on the why they paid? Well,
53:53
Speaker 1: I thought they sixteen million a year? Yeah, who paid
53:56
Speaker 1: him all that money? It was? Who did? Was it
54:00
Speaker 1: the Rams? The day with the Rams? Sammy Watkins got
54:03
Speaker 1: a huge deal this year. No, no, no, I can't city.
54:05
Speaker 1: I can't say that's right. And Brandon Cooks went through
54:06
Speaker 1: the Ram. That's a lot of money. Would I would
54:10
Speaker 1: not pay him that either that I just would those
54:14
Speaker 1: other guys. And I don't know if you remember this,
54:15
Speaker 1: but when when Sammy Watkins and Allen Robinson came out
54:21
Speaker 1: of college the same year, I remember watching film on
54:24
Speaker 1: both of them. And Sammy Watkins was a burner. He
54:26
Speaker 1: could run like the wind. But you would think a
54:29
Speaker 1: guy that can run like the wind would run the
54:31
Speaker 1: quick screen better. Was here this? You told the story
54:36
Speaker 1: five million times during the draft. All Robinson was a
54:39
Speaker 1: better at the quick screens than Sammy watching, and in
54:42
Speaker 1: my opinions, screen, you'renna pay a guy fifteen million dollars
54:45
Speaker 1: or a quick screen. Sammy Watkins is a one trick
54:48
Speaker 1: pony in the league. Now what's that? It's it's a
54:50
Speaker 1: deep ball or nothing. I would not pay Sammy Watkins
54:53
Speaker 1: fifteen million bucks a year. No, he's not worth it.
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Speaker 1: No wonder who wants more money? He's only's like, wait
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Speaker 1: a second, he st this cat's getting fifteen, I'm getting
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Speaker 1: ten fifty. Yeah that's the truth. But yeah, a lot
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Speaker 1: of money out there. Good for them. I'm happy for
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Speaker 1: these players. What's Tom Brady worth hundred million dollars year
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Speaker 1: piece of the franchise ship? Whatever you I mean, you can't.
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Speaker 1: I mean in a salary cap league, you can't pay
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Speaker 1: him what he's worth. If there was no salary kept
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Speaker 1: be paying ignore the salary cap. Fifty million. Absolutely what
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Speaker 1: he does your franchise and you're in the championships every year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's million a year guy, and it's not
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Speaker 1: like he has great talent around and Rodgers fifty million.
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Speaker 1: There's no cat I mean there was no If you
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Speaker 1: have a guy like there's a only a few of
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Speaker 1: them in the league. I mean Peyton used to be
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Speaker 1: this guy. Tom Brady still is he was last year.
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. This is can you off? Oh? This is?
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Speaker 1: This is Shag, Sting and Shack. So they were playing together.
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Speaker 1: It's like they're touring together. They're they're on stage together,
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Speaker 1: like sing at the same time. So reggae and Sting. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of difference. I've never heard that. Weird. It
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Speaker 1: might be a good good next good Uh that'll loop
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