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2 - Best Childhood Cartoon (Scooby Doo vs. Simpsons) · Arguing Ever After

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Welcome to Arguing Ever After episode 2.
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My name is Luke and this is my lovely wife Amber.
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Hello, we are the Lord and Lady who lock horns.
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The count and Countess of contention.
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The Duke and Duchess of Disagreement.
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And the king and queen of quarrels.
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We have been together since high school and we've been married
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for over 20 years. We've argued about practically
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everything and yet we're still together and happy.
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We have a great teenager who currently doesn't think we're
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lame, and most of our family still talks to us.
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All in all, pretty darn good. Every day, all over the world,
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couples are fighting battles based on mole hills that don't
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matter and sometimes mountains that send spouses to go sleep on
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couches. In this entertainment only
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podcast, we'll bicker about all things big and small, and the
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audience gets the final say on who the winner is.
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We do not claim to be relationship experts by any
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means, but if we can have meaningless arguments for the
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sake of friendly competition, why not give it a listen?
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We will debate lots of topics, some of which we've come up
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with, and many are frequently submitted by our listeners.
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So if you have a topic and want us non professionals to cross
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swords on it for a preview of how it could go down before you
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bring it up in your own relationship, please send it to
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us at arguingeverafter@gmail.com.
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Perhaps this completely unscientific method of letting
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the masses decide who is right can settle your fight too before
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you even have it. So the other day I came home and
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I saw that Luke was watching something odd on TV and I looked
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and I to make sure was our daughter in the room.
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She's not. And I said, Luke, are you
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watching cartoons? Yeah.
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And I said hell yeah, This was a great video game because I was
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watching ATV show that just came out on Netflix that was based on
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a video game that I really liked to play when I used to play lots
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of video games. And I thought it was totally
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normal and totally fine. Well, it kind of got me thinking
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about like back when I watched cartoons and which was a little
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bit ago maybe, and it kind of got me reminiscing about some of
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my favorite cartoons when I was a kid.
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I remember my first favorite cartoon when I was a kid was a
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show called # puppies. I even had a little stuffed #
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puppy animal and I. Had the tent.
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I don't know if any of you remember the tent, I don't even
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know how I got it, but I had the tent.
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I remember the tent, the first sleepover friend sleepover I had
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as a kid. She had a tent and I was so
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jealous. So I'm still a little jealous of
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you today that you had the pound puppy tent.
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I mean, knowing my mom, it's still in her house.
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But that used to be the thing when we were kids, like when we
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you'd get up Saturday morning and watch cartoons, we had like
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7 channels only. So you had to be there on time
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to watch those cartoons. Yeah, unless someone in your
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family was a wizard who could figure out how to record Avhs.
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If you had AVHS, yeah, there's, there's that whole thing too.
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And it was kind of like a, a great babysitting tool, if you
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think about it. Parents knew where their kids
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were from, you know, whatever, 98 to probably 11:00.
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I don't even know what my parents were doing that at that
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time. We think they might have run
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errands. We don't.
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We don't really go. Yeah, because I don't know.
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I don't know. Either I Remember Me and my
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brothers watching cartoons, which I feel like everybody was
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doing. Yeah, maybe the parents all had
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like a secret Saturday morning party.
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They just hang out with each other.
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Could be. That's possible.
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Well, I also remember fighting with my sisters because there
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were always a couple cartoons that would have different
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timing. And again, this is before the
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really recording age, you know, So you had to be there for it.
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And it was just really brilliant.
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And I feel like they knew that was brilliant.
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I'm sure they did. I feel like.
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I don't remember which cartoons were on like which channels.
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Well, I remember some of that, but I mean, I'm not like you had
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lots of great ones in the mornings on Saturdays, but like
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do you think that like the powers that be utilized that
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great babysitting tool for us latchkey kids because.
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It checks out. I think when we were kids, like
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during the summer, it was just pure madness.
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We were running everywhere. We were gone all day, you know,
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I mean, like it. It's not uncommon to hear kids
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talk about I was home by the time the street lights were on
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and whatever I did from the time I woke up to when I got home, it
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was kid wars and things like that.
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Did all sorts of things during the summer rock.
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Fights. Sure.
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I mean, I didn't have a rock fight.
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That sounds really dangerous it. Was only situation, maybe my
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brothers just like to throw rocks at me.
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Sound like that could have happened.
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We also played cops and robbers. Yes, we rode bikes.
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Yes, yes, I mean, and the the TV in the summer was terrible.
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It still kind of is today, I'm not gonna lie.
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Thankfully, we're summer. TV is not that great but there's
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a lot more than 7 channels. There's a lot more than 7
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channels. No, that's true.
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That's true. But I'm, I'm thinking though,
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like maybe this is the conspiracy theorist in me.
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Maybe like the education system, our parents and the
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entertainment giants, right? They got together and they said
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how can we get kids home after school so they actually get
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sleep and are rested for the next day and that they stay
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home. And then they created the best
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cartoon lineup that they could have created for sure.
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And it had older siblings coming home to watch their younger
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siblings, who were for sure going to turn on the TV to watch
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what? For sure.
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We were watching all kinds of stuff.
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We were watching DuckTales. Awesome show we.
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Were watching Darkwing duck. Pretty good, pretty good we.
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Were watching. Rescue races were my favorite.
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I was going to say the rescuers. No.
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Maybe it was just a different. Yeah, thing, but yeah, that one.
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Wait, is that the one that had Chip and Dale?
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Yes. Rescue Rangers.
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That's it with the jingles they. Were solving the mystery.
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Chip and Dale, Yeah, yeah, but wasn't there one?
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Gadget or Gidget? She was great.
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She was the best part. What's her name?
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Gidget or gid I think it was. Gidget.
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I think it might have been Gidget, I don't know.
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And Monterey. Jack was his friend.
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What was the one that had Baloo and he flew a plane?
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Tailspin. That was one of them that was on
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Gargoyles was one of my all time favorites.
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You know, and I heard they might be making it into a movie or
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something. Sign me up, I'm ready for front
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row clipping in coach. Yeah, yeah, it never.
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I've never wanted something so much as a gargoyle on top of my
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house. And even still today I would
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love. I actually we have some little
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gargoyle less things that I've put out in my yard, but they
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don't turn into well, you're the, you know, night saving what
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saving the night of. And transform into live
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creatures, unfortunately. Really depressing, yeah.
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And have cool names named after New York.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, they could be named
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after our local. There was.
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Brooklyn Hudson. Bronx.
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Bronx for. Some reason Goliath, that's not
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from New York, but he was the leader, so.
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I mean and big. And big.
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And then what was the girl's name?
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I don't, I don't know. I feel bad for not remembering
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it, but she had. She had Goliath figured out.
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Pretty. Was it?
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I'm not gonna remember. I've been thinking of April from
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Well, it wasn't her Teenage
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Mutant Ninja Turtles. That was a great one.
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Also Batman. How about Batman?
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Batman. Batman.
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Oh, Crusader, come. On I don't know there were.
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His parents died in an alley. I mean, do you have a better
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start than that? There's a ton better start and
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then parents. Turned all of his riches into
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real fancy toys and weapons to to beat up the bad guy to be.
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Alone. Well, he had a troubled past, as
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we just said. Yeah, OK, well, parents dying in
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an alley would probably be pretty bad.
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Don't get me wrong. Pretty bad.
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I don't understand a lot of the makeups and I know if I ask too
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many questions we will upset many viewers all.
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Three of them already at. We're at least at 10.
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I know, I know. It's so exciting.
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I did want to say thank you all for tuning into our first
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episode, and I'm so happy. If you're turning into the
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second one, if you haven't watched the first one, you
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should go back and watch the first one.
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Yeah, because we love the streams.
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But but so I again, I don't want to upset anybody about Batman
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because I know there's very, very strong opinions about the
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the superheroes. But it was just sort of amazing,
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though, like when you would go to school the next day when at
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our age, you know, everybody was talking about duck tales.
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Did you see the episode Magic and Duck magic, Dispel Spell
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Spell. Oh, she was great.
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I want name. Can we just for a second,
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whoever came up with what's her name going to be Magica Dispel?
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And they were like, yes. She was phenomenal.
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I really wanted to be like her. But you had a voice too.
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She sounded like she smoked 400,000.
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I mean, no, she sounded and there was a wickedness in her
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voice all the time. You think that's you OK?
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Yes, yes, it's me. I'm gonna call you Magica from
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now. It's a.
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Great nickname. I've been told that I have a
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wicked laugh sometimes so and I don't mind it, but like
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everybody was talking about it. All the kids knew about it.
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There was like, that is what you did until, you know, video game
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video games came out. But there were so many good
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cartoons of like forever. I mean, I think about other
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cartoons that I watched, you know, that just were on forever,
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like the Flintstones on forever. They made vitamins about them,
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you know, I mean, that's true. And Fruity Pebbles.
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That's some reach. Yeah.
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You think about it, They had a cartoon that somehow turned into
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vitamins. Vitamins, like, literally, this
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is how you know your child is healthy.
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You're feeding them Flintstone vitamins.
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Yeah, you know, and you had the Jepsons, which kind of turned
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out to be a bummer because I think by now we should be flying
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cars. Where are the flying cars?
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You know we have. Importantly, I want a robot.
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Yeah. All of my chores.
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Yes. All of them, even if she's got
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an attitude and does it wrong. So we also do have a I'm ready,
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a robot who vacuums. We named her Rosie, which was a
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mistake because she did actually turn out to be just like Rosie
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with the attitudes. I'm not working today, you know,
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it's it's not my day on, you know, and it's just like, who
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are you? You're supposed to not be this
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SO life hack #2 Don't name your vacuum robot if you're fortunate
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enough to get one. Don't name her Rosie, because
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she will. Not she'll turn on you.
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Not work hard, but it's OK, it's OK.
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So so that was a great one. Of course, the classics, you
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know, that were really huge. Also that came.
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It had a big come back while we were in middle school, or at
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least while I was in middle school or sometime in my life.
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There we go. Was the Warner Brothers with
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Bumps Bunny, and then they did this whole other relaunch with
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the Looney Tunes something something and dot wacko dako and
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dot or yacko wacko and dot something.
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I think it was. I think it was yacko, wacko and
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dot. Yes, yes.
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And pinky in the brain, which we're always trying to take over
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the world. Who made the Wile E Coyote and
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and? Just Warner Brothers.
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Was that Road Runners? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then you got the Hanna Barbera that that whole era when
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you had like the, there was like a the purple gorilla.
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I don't know, it was like a grape ape.
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I feel like it might have been called Grape Ape.
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Wasn't that a food? Maybe.
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I don't know this car. Maybe there was some crossover
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and there was like Yogi Bear. Yes, and a picnic basket.
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That's right. Yeah, Rocky and Bullwinkle.
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No great great great villains in that one.
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How? About The Smurfs.
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Oh, The Smurfs. Oh, Gargamel or Gargomesh or.
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Gilgamesh Oh, that's a real, that's a real start.
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I think it was Gargamel. Gargamel Yeah, yeah.
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And the cat. And what was the cat's name?
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I wanted to eat The Smurfs all the time.
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It started with the EI, can't remember.
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Azrael. Azrael.
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Yes. Yes.
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Years ago I worked at a veterinary clinic and a cat that
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came in was named Azrael. And the second she brought that
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cat in, I was like, I see you. Yeah, I know you.
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We are. Y'all supposed to ain't Smurfs?
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Yeah? Can you blame her though?
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They're like little bite size things.
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She probably was like, oh look, it's a blue mouse, I'm going to
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eat it. I know no one remembers this
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except for maybe my sister is one of our three listeners, 10
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to. 12 Something like that. But there was this really
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delicious thing that came from The Smurfs called Smurf Berry
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Cereal, and I've been searching for my whole life.
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I mean, we maybe got that box twice, but the back to food with
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me. Oh my God, I'm a major.
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A lot of our life is about. Food.
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It is true. It is true.
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My mom was a a mean mean woman about cereal cuz she wouldn't
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let us have colored sugary stuff.
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We just had to eat kicks. Wait, no, is that the one that
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was the little corn puff? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was it. Kicks.
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Have you put enough sugar on them?
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They were OK. Was that tricks?
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No tricks was the fruit. Oh, we couldn't have that one.
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Tricks was the fruit. Well, that was the cool thing
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too, right? So all those cereal companies
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would link up with the cartoon companies or some of them you.
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Could have an episode about cereal.
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Well, go. We will.
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We will I. Thought about a whole bunch of
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different cereals. But save what, like the good
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ones would put in a prize that is frequently from one of the
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cartoons that we were watching. So it was like, really?
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They did a cereal. I our kid has had plenty of
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cereal. She won't get no prize.
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She does it, She does it. Maybe it's only McDonald's does
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that anymore. Oh, that would be sad.
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Well, McDonald's. We don't need any free stuff,
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but if you want to, like, feed the homeless, that'll be, you
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know, Yeah. Yeah.
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No endorsement necessary. Thank you for the French fries
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in the 90s. They were delicious.
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We're moving on. We're here to talk about
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cartoons. Look, I got you derailed.
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You really did. You really did.
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But like the just all of the the intertwineness of those cartoons
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and how they really did find a way to hit us every like the
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marketing was. Brilliant.
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It was like a whole, like a culture shift.
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Yeah, yeah. And so.
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But back to my original. Did our parents have cartoons?
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I don't think they. Yes they did.
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They have Woody Woodpecker and stuff.
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Like, Oh yeah, I remember. My, that was my dad's favorite
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was Woody Woodpecker, which I was like, this dude just hits
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his head on a tree and just and I'm sorry.
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Those birds in real life are gigantic though.
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There's different sizes, yeah. The pilliated redhead
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woodpecker. Whatever it is, real big
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woodpeckers. I've got into a backyard.
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They have it recently because we have a bird feeder.
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So but we won't, we won't go to that.
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But yes, they're, they're huge. I saw a couple, but you know,
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that was, it was OK. It wasn't as good as like the
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deep plots of the cartoons that we've had.
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I mean. And they could string something
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on for a number of episodes because back in the day, like
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unlike now, it seems like I don't know so much about
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cartoons, but like popular shows are like 6 to 10 episodes is
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like a whole season. And like, cartoons back in the
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day would just be like, I don't know, 30 episodes last the whole
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like six months of the year. You'd have cartoons to watch.
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Yep, and there. You have like a Part 2, Part 3
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conclusion. Uh huh.
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If you missed one, that was. That was the thing why you got
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to get home. Because if you missed 1, you
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missed a major part of the plot. And then you had to have your
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friends tell you and it's just not the same.
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Or you'd have to wait for reruns like in the summer and you
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didn't know. I mean, have these things.
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This is for children's educational purposes, right
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here, right now. Anyone who's over will know.
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Educating the young. Educating the.
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Young right now. So they had these things back in
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the day. There were two places you could
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find out what was on TV. One was the newspaper, which was
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a piece of paper that would go to your house and it would tell
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you all of the news for the day or the week.
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Kind of like a newsreel that exists online, so it'd be listed
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in there, or you'd have something called a TV Guide if
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you were lucky, and that had like the whole week's worth.
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Didn't they sell those for like money?
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Yes, they sold them from. Actual money go to the gas
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station to buy ATV. Yes, yes.
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But it would, it would tell you the whole week's worth of TV.
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So you could plan everything. But you know, I don't recall if
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they really talked about the reruns.
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So like what was? Definitely making me feel old,
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right? Now, well, again, educational
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purposes for historical knowledge for these young UNS
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who may or may not be listening they're.
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Probably not. You know what if you flip this
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on for them, then when their teachers ask them what they
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learned over the summer, this could be one of those things
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they. Learned something from us, yes.
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CB guides cartoons serial. Put it on my resume educating
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the young. Yes, why not?
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Why not? I mean, and, and like the great
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things that we have that they just don't have any more, you
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know, but but cartoons were just really something back then.
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They were really, they shaped so much of who we are.
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So, Luke, let me ask you a question.
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Now the event you have all been waiting for.
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In this corner we have Amber claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs
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with one win and 0 losses. We are in episode 2 after all.
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She has over 25 years of practice in the art of
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insignificant lover spats and is armed with her amazing wit which
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she will need today. And in this corner, we have Luke
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at his prime weight of 185 plus and sporting a luxurious red
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beard. He's been arguing since he was
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born to a very competitive family, that's true.
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And he has zero wins and one loss.
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So Luke, tell us today, what do you really think is the greatest
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cartoon of all times? Oh, I guarantee you, everyone
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that just heard you say like kind of the same reaction that I
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did. All time, all time.
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There you go, happy. For two reasons.
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One, for all times, but two, the real truth is everyone goes, why
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do you got to make me pick the best thing, the best?
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Anytime someone says that to me, they're like, what's your
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favorite song? What's your favorite?
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It's like, what? How do you pick one?
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It's not even fair. But that being said, to be a
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contender for the best cartoon of all time or times, it's got
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to be a pretty big deal. So staying power would be
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something to think about, reach, reach would be something to
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think about, and influence would be something to think about.
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Because there's been a nearly endless list.
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Like can we just name some of the ones we remembered off the
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top of our head from being kids? And I'm sure all of you out
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there that are watching this, depending on when you grew up
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and what was on and whatever, you got a whole different list.
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Like our kids got shows that make no sense to me that she
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watched all these series and episodes and like some of them
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were great and some of them, you know, I'd watch with her and be
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like, what are we doing? This is anyway.
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That was when we used the TV as a babysitter.
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That's true. We had our moment.
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It was like, you know, I don't know what to do.
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Why don't you watch 75 hours of this Netflix special about elves
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and Dragons and cats and whatever else?
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Anyway, so back to the question. So the best cartoon of all time
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that I would like to have be my contender is The Simpsons
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because it has all the things I talked about.
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It has staying power. It's been on since I think we
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said it was the 90s, but it was right on the edge because we
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talked about this a little bit earlier, like it came out.
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What did you say of Tracey Ullman Show?
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Tracey Ullman, Yes. OK.
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And then it turned into its own thing, like I think in the
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beginning of 1990. So that's a long, long time ago
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because it's 2025. So that's some staying power.
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It has, according to the Internet, the most amount of
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episodes of any cartoon ever. And then what I think is like
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important to reflect on with The Simpsons is they did something
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that hadn't really been done with cartoons before because
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like cartoons, as you talked about, and the ones we enjoyed
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so much as children were like, they were like, they had their
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like themes, but they were cartoonish themes.
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The Simpsons came through and basically turned a sitcom into a
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cartoon and kept it cartoony and also sitcommy.
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So it like blended a couple of genres, which I think is why it
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was so successful back then and it's still successful today.
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And like a lot of the things that made it successful was like
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there was controversy there would like, you know, the the
22:25
the mom and the dad would get into arguments and, you know, it
22:28
was they weren't the prettiest family.
22:30
And, you know, like the dad was bald.
22:32
And I mean, I got a little bit of that going up.
22:34
And he had a beer belly. And he like, you know, I don't
22:37
know, he sat on the couch a lot. And anyway, so that was
22:41
controversial. Then they had the miscreant
22:43
child. You know, everyone loved him.
22:44
It was America's favorite little boy, Bart Simpson.
22:47
American favorite. Like he would say stuff that was
22:50
like off off the cuff or whatever, and he would get in
22:54
trouble and go to detention and have to write stuff on the
22:57
board. And so it wasn't perfect.
23:00
That's part of what I think made it attractive because it was
23:02
like they were showing you the average sort of sample of the
23:06
American family and made into something that little kids would
23:09
want to watch and that their parents, if they watched it
23:12
wouldn't be like, this is some stupid kids.
23:14
He showed. They'd be like, this is actually
23:16
kind of funny. Oh, my parents didn't feel that
23:18
way. Well, your.
23:19
Parents were a little different. Than my my parents did not
23:21
necessarily like that as a watching as a watching choice
23:24
for. Us but I think it's staying
23:26
power would say that that's one of the reasons it's still around
23:29
today running basically the same thing like it's been around
23:33
since 1990, so 35 years and they haven't aged today so so you
23:40
know like there's a reason that that's still famous and like how
23:42
many times can you retell the same story now they introduced a
23:46
lot of a lot of side stories they had Mr. Burns, they had
23:50
Krusty the clown they had. Killed Mr. Burns.
23:53
They had, I had the murderous with the Sideshow Bob.
23:59
They had that dude, I mean, and then they had the prodigy child
24:03
and they had the baby who never. Was the a sweetheart of the
24:07
show? Which was the best?
24:09
No question. And then they had the baby who
24:12
never sadly figured out how to talk.
24:15
They had. Yes, she.
24:16
Did when she did I can show you later there was she?
24:20
Aged a day, it's amazing. So and then they had the dog
24:24
that at least got replaced a couple of times.
24:26
Because if Santos will. Help her like 1-2 and three.
24:29
No, no snowball. That could be, yeah.
24:32
They also had, I don't know how many actually, cuz at some point
24:35
I lost track and stopped watching it.
24:37
But like they had, I don't know, two or three movies that came
24:41
out of the deal. And then like they have some
24:44
like physical intellectual property integrations at
24:47
Universal Studios, at least in Florida.
24:50
I don't know if there are other parks have it, but they had like
24:52
a little Simpsons Land and we've been there and they have like
24:54
rides and they have. Terrible ride.
24:57
Oh my God, that's an awful ride. It's like you've been on the
25:00
crusty the Crown ride. You have definitely felt your
25:03
stomach into your freaking forehead.
25:05
It's I kind of. Liked it.
25:06
It was kind of fun and they had like, you can get the Donuts and
25:09
stuff and like the Duff Beer and like all of that stuff is there.
25:13
It's to say that The Simpsons isn't the best is is tough.
25:18
They had a lot of stuff and they've been doing it for a long
25:21
time. You got to look OK.
25:26
So while I will agree, obviously I have watched The Simpsons,
25:32
there's many good things about The Simpsons, but all of those
25:35
things, what'd you say? It needed staying power.
25:38
Staying power, reach, influence. And influence, sure, I think was
25:44
the there's something that's been on a little bit longer and
25:52
you know, your Simpsons might have won if it wasn't for those
25:59
pesky kids. Oh.
26:02
Scooby-doo and the Mystery Machine.
26:06
Oh my gosh, like when that show, when I first saw that show, it
26:10
developed me as a human being. It.
26:13
Created so many things that I wanted in the future.
26:16
scooby-doo, this giant dog. I love giant dogs.
26:19
I want a scooby-doo. Like the snacking and how they
26:22
could just eat all these great foods.
26:23
I wanted to eat all those great foods.
26:25
I kind of snack like scooby-doo and Shaggy sometimes.
26:28
And the relationship, the bond that the boy had with his dog,
26:33
like we saw the bond between Bart and Santa's Little Helper.
26:38
It was not that great. Scooby went everywhere.
26:41
Shaggy understood what Scooby was saying, so much so that we
26:47
as viewers understood. Rock.
26:50
Roll right, I mean and we. Understood, right?
26:54
I know, but we understood everything he said through
26:56
shaggy eyes. And not just Shaggy, you, Fred,
27:01
Velma and Daphne all knew what he was saying too.
27:04
So I mean and they had a van. I don't know.
27:06
The murder van is not really thing but it kind of works.
27:09
In their theme it was. An anti murder van.
27:11
I know it was a Mystery Machine, I get that.
27:14
I mean, but it was painted really cool.
27:16
The Simpsons car was just some sort of sedan that was maybe
27:19
yellow, I can't or pink, I can't really remember.
27:21
It doesn't really like it wasn't it wasn't memorable.
27:23
It wasn't memorable for sure. It was, it was a wagon and
27:26
everybody had a wagon back in those days.
27:28
Mystery Machine was so memorable and every episode they taught us
27:34
important things about life. The main thing that they taught
27:38
me as a young child, which I bring with me today, is you
27:43
don't really know anyone. Whoa.
27:47
Think about it, you'd watch the whole episode and you'd have the
27:50
principal try and help them figure out who the ghost is.
27:53
And then Velma would be like, and here's your ghost, RIP the
27:57
mask off. It's Principal Skinner.
28:01
See just y'all listeners, I'm just saying maybe chalk that one
28:05
up over here, but keep going. Slight point, slight point, but
28:08
you know, I mean, so it taught you that not everybody is worth
28:11
your trust. It taught you keep those that
28:13
mattered really close, but be a little suspicious of those you
28:18
don't really know. And we see this all the time.
28:21
You never know. And for me personally, it
28:24
developed into a longer interest of mysteries, right?
28:28
Like I remember not that, you know, once I passed that cartoon
28:33
stage watching things like Unsolved Mysteries and just
28:38
hoping that I would find my Principal Skinner or whoever,
28:41
you know, like just maybe I could find and I could solve the
28:44
mystery just like the mystery gang.
28:46
Like, wouldn't that be awesome, you know?
28:49
So I'm going to say I was not motivated, which I think is the
28:54
final factor of being a best cartoon by really anything in
28:59
The Simpsons. Oh I see.
29:03
I will say this, having listened to you lay out your argument, it
29:07
is impressive how informative to your character that show was
29:11
because you basically are an adult trying to live in that
29:14
reality. Yes.
29:15
Like. Yes, we're not trusting
29:17
everyone. We still definitely want to
29:19
catch the bad guy. Yes, and you got to keep your
29:21
friends close, eat a lot of snacks and love your dog.
29:24
Love your. Dog, that is quite true.
29:27
I mean, The Simpsons were never really a model for how to live.
29:32
I mean Mike Schwartzman. As a show, again, I think their
29:37
their reach was more about like, like it was more about you could
29:44
see yourself in them. Yes.
29:48
Because they were more real. And then The Simpsons, unlike
29:52
Scooby-doo, introduced a bunch of characters that were fun,
29:57
little adjacent to the story. Like you had the principal who
30:00
was always a little questionable.
30:02
You had the bus driver who was maybe never sober.
30:05
Never. You had well Speaking of sober,
30:07
I'm just saying Scooby and Shaggy.
30:09
I mean they were doing y'all know what I'm talking?
30:11
About wasn't doing anything eating Scooby snacks.
30:13
Those Scooby snacks were laced anyway.
30:17
And then they had the the the groundskeeper.
30:19
That creepy Scottish dude. Scotland, by the way, I'm
30:23
Scottish, love the Scottish and they had the what was the
30:28
teacher that kerbopple, which is spelled crabapple, the one that
30:33
always gave birth to detention with the that was smart too.
30:35
How they would in every episode they'd have him write I will not
30:40
draw on the desk or whatever. They'd pick a different thing
30:44
that he did wrong every. Time and it was funny.
30:45
Plus the intro. Oh yeah, mine was.
30:48
Thank you. And then like they also at the
30:52
beginning of every episode, they changed it up a little bit when
30:55
he, you know, he's coming up the driveway and Bart skips off the
30:58
thing with the skateboard. And then they somehow all land
31:01
on the couch. And sometimes they're in
31:02
different positions or they're aliens or whatever.
31:05
That was some of the invention and ingenuity of The Simpsons,
31:08
as they were always like, they had similar themes, but they
31:11
were always bringing in something new and just going to
31:14
touch on the spooky factor one time.
31:16
You can't give them credit for nothing without saying they
31:20
didn't invent the Halloween special.
31:23
Whoa, I'm just saying. Whoa.
31:25
The special. They had their own, but they
31:28
didn't invent it. That was so before The Simpsons.
31:31
This was a huge thing. And there's still my favorite
31:34
episode of any type of sitcom. It's a good Halloween special.
31:39
Admin In the cartoon world, we're talking about cartoons.
31:42
Treehouse of Terry. They have like a monopoly on who
31:45
wins the Halloween special in the cartoon world.
31:48
Everyone's done something on a cartoon.
31:51
For. Special.
31:52
Well, OK. For Halloween, I hear what
31:54
you're saying, except for it was Halloween every day.
31:57
Of course you do. There was always someone in a
32:00
mask pretending to be something scary.
32:04
That's true. That's true.
32:07
Oh, and I don't want to give you no points but Scrappy.
32:12
Yeah, Scrappy was. I mean, I shouldn't.
32:13
Have never got his own TV show but it was cute though there was
32:16
a little. Do you remember?
32:18
I just, I just remembered scooby-doo also had a spin off
32:21
so that of scooby-doo scooby-doo kids Scooby scooby-doo Doo.
32:27
It was a great little show where they were like kids solving the
32:31
mystery. Like little versions of the same
32:34
people. It was great.
32:36
I don't get it. Well, you'd have to watch it
32:38
together. And they were already sort of
32:39
kids. No, they were like, they were
32:41
cool. They were like, you know, in
32:43
high school or college or something.
32:44
It'll be some good, not college. Not college, they were clearly
32:48
not. They were, I don't know, they
32:49
were trying to find their way in life.
32:51
You know they created their own company.
32:53
Maybe they were dropouts. You don't even know that I don't
32:55
know. I'm sure they explained it on an
32:56
episode. They might have.
32:57
They probably weren't dropouts. But like, if you look at the
32:59
women also role models, right, Role models for US women,
33:03
because you had Velma, she was just brilliant, super smart.
33:08
Lisa, keep going. Go ahead.
33:11
Velma could out anything mentally with Lisa.
33:16
She also had the years to help except for when she was in the
33:19
the the Young scooby-doo cartoon.
33:23
They probably were at about the same time, but still jinky.
33:25
She's definitely got it. And then you have Daphne, who
33:30
although we would be blinded by her beauty, she was actually
33:35
also really smart. So I think that it was just
33:41
overall, it had good morals, good things to push and teach
33:47
people. And I think you can even still
33:51
see new episodes today. That could be slightly wrong,
33:55
but there's definitely always something that can come at some.
33:57
Point we did stop watching cartoons unless it was me
33:59
watching a cartoon about just the other day.
34:02
Just the other day and also you like that other cartoon that's
34:05
like a Star Wars E cartoon, but I could.
34:10
Well, there have been some great Star Wars.
34:11
Cartoons, so there. You.
34:12
I'm not hating on cartoons. Clearly, the world isn't either.
34:16
Right there they are a mainstay. So you know, I guess, I guess
34:22
that's, that's our fight. And I think the best thing to do
34:26
is to vote for the best cartoon of all times, which there is no
34:31
mystery about. Oh, that was cute.
34:34
Scooby-doo. Or you could vote for The
34:38
Simpsons, which has the most episodes, it has the most
34:45
relatability to the most number of people.
34:52
And who doesn't love Bart, Lisa, Homer.
34:57
And you can't forget the woman who held it all together, March.
35:02
She was just handling her business.
35:04
So go ahead, vote, y'all. I think it's simple and I think
35:08
it's easy and you know it is. OK so the best way to vote is
35:16
through our Spotify link. We're going to put up a poll.
35:20
I don't know, our last one was for like 2 weeks but I think
35:22
that might be too long. But vote regardless and watch it
35:28
through Spotify or whatever, however you find it, I don't
35:31
care. Just freaking watch it,
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subscribe, like it, download it, and please share this with your
35:38
friends, your family. Your children.
35:41
Your children. Did we swear?
35:43
I think we swore a couple of times, but again, I don't think
35:45
we got too inappropriate. I mean, if they watch The
35:47
Simpsons for 35 years, someone swearing.
35:49
Absolutely. Don't tell me your parents
35:51
watching this episode ain't swearing in front of your kids
35:53
At this point, I'm just saying. Yeah, I do think though.
35:56
Oh, so so sorry back to what I was saying about how how we can
35:59
get the word out about us right. So you can also share to people
36:04
you don't like. If you didn't like this episode,
36:06
share to everyone you just. Want everyone to watch it?
36:09
Yeah, it would be really great. We've been, like I said, really
36:12
kind of surprised. I thought three people would
36:15
watch and we've had more than that.
36:18
We've had quite a bit of interest so.
36:19
Potentially hundreds. We don't even know.
36:21
Who could be? We have no way of knowing that
36:23
information, but share it. We love it and we will always
36:27
use new topic ideas. If you think this one, I'm going
36:31
to do a pun for you. All is a little crusty.
36:34
Oh my God, this is what I live with people.
36:41
OK, hold on, you're cut off We're done.
36:44
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Bye. I just want to do my own thing.
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I just want to do my own thing. I just want to do my own thing.