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8. Dr. Jeremy Brook - The yoga of Chiropractic · In Tune Podcast

• Dr. Nick Harvey: My guest today is a chiropractor from LA and the founder of Light and Bone Chiropractic. He's a graduate from Palmer West College and he's also a yogi and movement specialist and he's been teaching yoga anatomy for over 20 years. He's been in practice for 25 years and given over 450,000 adjustments. Dr. Jeremy Brook, welcome to Intune. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Thank you so much, Dr. Nick. Stoked to be here. Couple little mild ⁓ corrections straight away. I left Los Angeles in June ⁓ to a beautiful ⁓ sleepy surfer town. It's actually not so sleepy anymore in Encinitas. And I went to Palmer West. I didn't go to the Fountainhead. ⁓ that was like top on my list originally, but then you know I'm I I'm an Dr. Nick Harvey: ⁓ huh. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Southern California guy and there's no way I thought I'd be able to survive like a winter in Iowa. And although I visited Davenport several times to teach during like the winter months, forget about it. I'm glad I I I'm glad I chose Palmer West. Dr. Nick Harvey: I love it. I love it. You'll have to excuse my terminology being a being an Australian over here I we we we get it all caught up. But I'd love to touch base with you, Jeremy Jeremy. Obviously we've been trying to get this connected for a long time and it's great to have you on the podcast. And what I'd really love to get into is starting with your journey. You knew you were gonna be a chiropractor, I believe, at just eight years old. So how did that begin? DR.JEREMY BROOK: All good. Yes, you're good. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I gotta thank my dad, I gotta thank my dad for a lot of ⁓ reasons. The the long sh short story is he was a boxer growing up, like through ⁓ his high school years, and apparently he wasn't a fantastic boxer. ⁓ early on, took a lot of hits until ⁓ he got his skills elevated and then was in they call it the golden gloves. He was about to enter ⁓ the Olympic trials and ⁓ it didn't work out for him. But He had a funky neck from probably taking all those, you know, uppercuts and ⁓ jabs and crosses. And one day he was playing around with a buddy in the pool, chicken fighting a big guy like six foot five. I don't know what the you know the metric conversion is with that, but the guy cranked his neck and ⁓ my dad ended up having to go to a Cairo. The Cairo sorted him out and he became a lifelong chiropractic ⁓ lover. So when we left, I'm originally from New York. We left New York, moved to Los Angeles. ⁓ when I was about eight years old, we went to a chiropractor, Dr. Paul Weber. ⁓ he was from the motion palpation ⁓ lineage. Lineage is very important to me. So he's from like the motion palpation lineage. Honry G Dr. Henry Gillet, the Belgian wizard. And ⁓ we would go With the whole family, sit on that little stool, you know, motion palpate all up the spine, and then he'd deliver like a beautiful, almost martial-esque, martial art-esque style adjustment. And I was like, this guy rocks. You know, you could feel where you're restricted, and then he would do his adjustment, and you'd walk out feeling absolutely ⁓ amazing. In fact, I I kind of would. was like a malingering. I'd walk in, I'd be like, Can you check my elbow and my wrist and my knee? I just wanted him to do everything. And he actually was pretty cle we'd actually like motion check it. He's like, You're good. ⁓ so yeah, that was like my introduction to Cairo when I was ⁓ eight years old. And I'm like, this is this is the profession for me. There's another jump that kind of like kicked off when I was about twenty-one, but that was the that was the origin story when I was eight. Dr. Nick Harvey: Yeah, I love it. And what was it about chiropractic that inspired you so much? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Well, you know, when ⁓ you're eight years old and I didn't have like asthma or allergies or maybe I had some like hyperactivity which may or may actually ⁓ may or may not have been ⁓ helped by the Cairo or you know, we were going more like a for for wellness care versus like there was something wrong with us. ⁓ but I it was just a more of a tangible feeling. ⁓ tangible feeling of of just freedom. Dr. Nick Harvey: I love it. I love it. And then you Yeah. And then many years later you got into college. Palmer West, I believe. Not the Palmer West. ⁓ how was that? Did DR.JEREMY BROOK: Put it to put it simply. R. I. P. Palmer West. The campus closed. The camp is closed, I think, this past year. Dr. Nick Harvey: Did it did it Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ no. And and did that live up to your expectations of what what you saw within chiropractic? DR.JEREMY BROOK: So the funny thing is when I was searching out ⁓ different chiropractic colleges, I was told to go to a chiropractic school that had philosophy. And I flew out to a ⁓ life in Atlanta and it was rad. I see people walking around with spines ⁓ attached to like a a guitar strap attached to the spines and people walking around the campus. I'm like, wow, this is incredible, in fact. As a result, I I got a guitar strap on my spine. then I went to Paul ⁓ Parker in Dallas because ⁓ my Cairo, kind of like the that same Cairo when I was eight years old, he said, Hey, you might want to check out Parker. He said, Check out Parker and check out Palmer. So I heard life was also fantastic. Went to Parker and Parker apparently had a great business program, went to the campus, wasn't ⁓ fully inspired and the surrounding area was less than desirable. No no disrespect. ⁓ Parker ⁓ university system. And then I checked out the two schools up in Northern California because I was told stay away from LACC, Los Angeles College of Chiropractic, now called Southern California University Health System, primarily because they were not practicing authentic traditional ⁓ chiropractic and they were just veering away from the foundational ⁓ concepts and principles which is unfortunate. ⁓ so I checked out Life West and Palmer West. Palmer West just had like a brand new sleek ⁓ facility and they were also at the time like top notch in sports chiropractic. So I was like great looking facility. ⁓ sports chiropractic that's kind of like where I was leaning ⁓ leaning towards that was like a a major interest for me and Life West at the time was still in ⁓ it was a I wanna say it was like a a high school ⁓ or a junior high if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it was an elementary school for if my memory can serve me well. But I just I didn't feel like ⁓ it had that university graduate, postgraduate, ⁓ feel. So I went with Palmer West and Palmer West delivered the goods for me. Now the interesting thing with Palmer West was that it it had a ⁓ a philosophical program, but it was science, philosophy. And if you wanted to get your philosophy ⁓ dialed in, you had to go hunt for it. So the people that you know, found their way into the green books or subluxation based or just more of a vitalistic, have a just a vitalistic mindset and approach. You had to work for it. You had to find it on your own. And I feel like that that made it ⁓ even more special versus it just being a heavy dose of philosophy and vitalism that was just a given. And, you know, I I I enjoyed it the the quote unquote technique program, I thought it was world class. I I love the the upper cervical, the t the Gonsted, the Thompson, the Palmer package, the full spine approach. ⁓ I benefited greatly from that program. I got nothing but bad things. ⁓ I got nothing but great things ⁓ to say about my experience at Palmer West. Now if I if I had been dipped into an experience at l like life university in Atlanta Or maybe even how Life West ⁓ turned out to be, it might I might have had a even more grand experience, but I I was happy. I was happy with my chiropractic training. Dr. Nick Harvey: Beautiful. It it doesn't sound like much has changed from unfortunately a lot of the colleges and universities I'm hearing from, you really gotta dig deep for that philosophy, for that understanding of what are the principles of chiropractic and and vitalism, which is unfortunate in ways, but it also makes it good when you when you find your people and you find the principles and you find what you need. ⁓ who were your early mentors? Doctor Jeremy, who who inspired you early on in chiropractic? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah, well I gotta go with Dr. Paul Weber, ⁓ number one. He was ⁓ the chiropractic center of Los Angeles. ⁓ he was my number one guy. Then I had another chiropractor in high school. Her name was ⁓ or is Dr. Shelly Roth. And she had a pretty cool multidisciplinary chiropractic center ⁓ with ⁓ people who did DNFT and some like some LAC LA C C diversified Cairos. There's an Activator Cairo, but she had massage and she had the ultras ultra sound and the muscle stimulation. And ⁓ she had she had a a kind of a booming practice. So again, you just go wherever your parents end up taking you. And she was ⁓ a great mentor, whereas po ⁓ Dr. Weber was the one that boom got me, got me on the path to Cairo, Dr. ⁓ Shelly was like, yo, ⁓ you're an undergraduate. I was a UC Irvine ⁓ biology major getting all the ⁓ pre-med classes ⁓ sorted out. But she said go to massage school, get your hands nice and intelligent, ⁓ activate the intelligence in your hands so that when you go to chiropractic school, your hands are ready to feel. So I I'm very grateful that ⁓ she pushed me into or suggested that I go to massage school ⁓ because I was doing I was doing massage on ⁓ peeps in college working for I think I worked for like 12 different chiropractors between ⁓ undergraduate and when I finally got my got the shingle and got my license so the next ⁓ influential chiropractor would be Dr. Mindy Pells she's a legend right now and kind of like in the fasting universe check her out on YouTube ⁓ she's written a couple books, but back in the old days, she was a subluxation-based Cairo, and that was like the next ⁓ big shift for me, chiropractically speaking, where it was like no ultrasound, no rehab. It was face down, boom, life force has been liberated, power's on, have a great day. So I was like, okay, now I'm now I'm feeling ya. This is the philosophy that I was actually told to go hunt for. And then she introduced me to her coach, her mentor, Dr. Ron Oberstein, former president of Life West, a great friend and ⁓ still a teacher I hold super dear. ⁓ got a special place in my heart, ⁓ helped again like explode the the philosophy for me, and then also gave me some great business skills, practice. ⁓ principles, if you will, that still form like the backbone of our ⁓ you can say admin business structures. Then the next person would be Dr. Fred Schofield. I had some buddies who are going, yo, y you gotta train with this ⁓ hardcore South African chiropractor who lives out in Arizona and I remember the first day I met Dr. Fred, my first training with him, he was like looking at I met him at the bar. where they would they would ⁓ have some drinks before the the seminar would begin and like he just looked at me in the eyes and wasn't like, Hey Dr. Brooke, welcome, nice to meet you. It was like he looked at me in the eyes, almost like flexing on me, like, You you want this? Like you ready for this? I was like, okay. So this he brought like a level of intensity, a level of like, do it now, do it now, do it now, ⁓ added to our the systems and development. And actually I should say like right even before ⁓ I connected with ⁓ with ⁓ Dr. Fred, I mean like my guru, my my main man was ⁓ Dr. Arnaud Bernier. So I it was pretty much like the college chiropractic school chiropractic college mentors was Dr. Mindy, Dr. Ron, ⁓ Dr. Arnaud Bernier who blasted my brain open ⁓ and then I was with ⁓ Doctor ⁓ Fred Schofield. So but Arno was like was my ⁓ yeah, he was my guru, he was my spiritual teacher, and ⁓ the other the other Kairos, of course, they were ⁓ the mate, you know, also on the major mentor, if I were to like draw my lineage of like first Doctor Weber or BJ Palmer, D D Palmer, BJ Palmer, you got the Arno, you got the Doctor Fred, you've got the ⁓ you know, great pillars, Arnaud would have like a big category 'cause he kinda like shaped shaped things in my brain from a technical, ⁓ artistic Hard centered manner that the other Kairos ⁓ didn't ⁓ penetrate. So and then after that, man, so I gotta say, ⁓ I don't wanna say I've been like teacherless or there's been so many other chiropractors that have influenced me in in other aspects. ⁓ but I'd say from like more of the artistic you you got the the big the big guys from and and gals, Dr. Mindy, Dr. Ron, Arnaud. Dr. Fred. And then of course we've got like Dr. Brad Glowacke, Dr. Bill DeMoss, Dr. Chestnut. I did his ⁓ C C W P, the chiropractic wellness practitioner ⁓ program, which was fantastic where then now you're owning the science. If you're into the vitalistic universe and you're thinking life force, now you got you got the science plus you got the life force, you got the science plus the kind of like the mystical aspect, the vitalistic, and you just boom, you bring it into one. So if I didn't say Dr. Monique Andrews, ⁓ you know, I I I I'm a sponge, man. I'm still a student of the game. So I'll probably leave out a couple other peeps, but to the best of my ⁓ memory, those are my those are my those are my sources. Dr. Nick Harvey: Wow, a lot of legendary mentors. And that that's awesome. That's awesome. What a what an accumulation. So one that I saw a real shift in you, and I know this too well. I never got to meet this amazing man, Dr. Arno Bernier. But he he influenced me greatly from afar just from listening to his talks and his podcasts. And I saw that shift within you when you when you mentioned him and what was it that Arno taught you that was so different? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. Blessed. Yeah, I think Arnaud taught me how to show up to the adjustment. in a special way and at the time like yoga was already forming in my body the the aspects of yoga ⁓ showing up kind of like boom completely aligned, connected and energized before you even lay your hands on me. So yeah, Arno just taught me how to show up and how to elevate myself and start the practice of You show up like you're a professional athlete. You show up with a ⁓ with a a mastery mindset. And that trickled through like all aspects of of my my personal life and my practice life and ⁓ I mean my practice. But it you know, it's a practice. It's been a there's been a lot of evolution and a lot of growth in there. But yeah, Arnaud is all about mastery. Back in the old days When I first started up with him, it was called ⁓ Making Love to the Spine, which sounds a little, you know, a lot different than Mastery Love Service. You're like, What? Making love to the spine? What what is this? ⁓ but you know, when you understood it was like how to ⁓ connect with the person, how to enter their space, how to enter their field in the most like loving, respectful, honoring ⁓ manner. And I I was like, I'm down with that. Coupled with the how to prepare. ⁓ yourself to be an instrument to boom to deliver the goods. So I think anybody who was interested in ⁓ becoming a master in the art of adjusting, they they just ate it up. And Arnaud is a was a super special ⁓ human. Dr. Nick Harvey: And you you were on staff with Arno for a while. You taught with MLS and did some work. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. Yeah, so Arnaud actually asked me to in back in ⁓ the I guess the the nineteen maybe even started in the eight in the nineteen eighties, but ⁓ I I clocked in with ⁓ Dr. Arnaud in ⁓ by the way, I'm getting an error that says USB device not recognized. So hopefully this this works. But yeah, so like in the nineteen ⁓ Nineteen ninety nine and two thousand I discovered ⁓ Arno, actually it was like nineteen ninety-nine, but in ⁓ he had this incredible camp called Masterpiece Training Camp. You'd go out into the mountains in Durango and do like a week long deep dive training course and he asked me the second ⁓ camp that I went to, he asked me to teach the yoga for it. So that was like my first ever ⁓ you know, being on quote unquote and the staff of sorts, with him and then whenever he did a training in California, I w I was always on his staff, graduated chiropractic school in the year two thousand. So pretty much from from then on, he's in LA, I was there. And then I would once in a while go up to the Bay Area, especially when my cousin, Doctor Mike Issex, who is at Life West, Life College of Chiropractic West, was there. So I was like, let me I gotta check on my my cousin, my primo, make sure he's sh sh sh he's on point. And so I'd go to ⁓ Dallas every once in a while to assist him there. But whenever he said, Hey, I I need you, ⁓ I need you there, or can you be on staff? I was there and then around two thousand I wanna say it was around like two thousand fifteen, two thousand sixteen, I get a call, hey J ⁓ Jeremy, I need to speak with you. And so boom, call him up immediately. I said, you know, what's up, Arno? And he goes, well, look, I'm I'm thinking of stepping aside ⁓ from MLS and I'd like for you to take over California. And I go, ooh, you know, again, that's like Bruce Lee asking a student in my brain, like, hey, take over Jikune Do. So he goes, Hey, you ca I got goosebumps by the way right now. I don't know if you can see my chicken skin on my hair standing up, my hair standing up. He says, ⁓ hey, you can think about it. I said, let's do it. I go, I'm in. And then I get off the phone, I go, what did I just, you know, what did I just do? ⁓ so I s so I I then told him, I go, look, I hate traveling. You know, I go, I'll just do Los Angeles. Let's start with Los Angeles and we'll go from there. So The first actually we did a co co ⁓ co-led seminar. And then the next one we were gonna do is like gonna be more of like a deeper me and him and that would be like the finale. And that was like ⁓ that was like a January sixth or something like that. It was like the first week back in 2016 and ⁓ and I was training hard for that, so it was just Dr. Arn you know, Arno Bernier, Jeremy Brooke, MLS One, Los Angeles. So I'm in actually I'm on a a little holiday with my wife, ⁓ Dr. Kristen Silver Brooke. And at the time she wasn't my wife. She's my just my she was my girlfriend. But I would wake up every single morning. We were actually in ⁓ Tulum and I would wake up before she would wake up and I'd go through the entire seminar. in my brain, I was actually in my underwear in the mirror, she's like videoing me, taking pictures of me, like talking through the seminar ⁓ in my brain, because ⁓ most people don't know this, but Arnaud is like I don't wanna say a perfectionist, but he was a perfectionist. He's you it's if this was a ⁓ a show, ⁓ per f like a Broadway show, like bam, you had to have you had to have it perfect, perfect cueing, perfect pace. Perfect timing, everything needed to be perfect. The hotel needed to be perfect. The setup of the room needed to be perfect. The temperature needed to be perfect. So, like ⁓ a day or so before the the seminar, ⁓ he calls me up and says, I'm, you know, I can't even get out of ⁓ Colorado. There's this massive snowstorm, you're on your own. I and I go, no worries, I got it, I got it. I've been practicing on my underwear like 4 a.m. for like three hours every morning for a week. ⁓ so basically had the that first that first one. I called him up after the first day and I said, Hey, is it normal for people ⁓ to to like not come back after lunch? Like half the seminar's gone. They didn't come back. And he goes, ⁓ Jeremy, this is This is very troublesome. ⁓ that has never happened before. I said, I'm just kidding. It was so good. And in fact, let's book Northern California. I mean, that was like day one. I was super pumped. And then after that, you know, taught from I guess 2016 up to ⁓ the end of 2000 ⁓ through 2019 and kind of like 2020 ⁓ was the bifurcation of me kinda like doing my own thing and and leaving MLS, but man. Yeah MLS gave me so much. Dr. Arnaud Bernier gave me so much. He married me and my wife. ⁓ yeah and I think about him I think about him a lot. Yeah. And I'm it's like one of those those few things in my life where ⁓ I'm kinda bummed at how it how it ended. And thank God he's got a big heart. I got a big heart. We we healed it. And ⁓ you know, he healed the healed that little rift of how it how it went. ⁓ went in the in a direction that, you know, neither of us wanted. But that's how things go. Sometimes great bands break up. Dr. Nick Harvey: Mm. Wow. It was really powerful. Really powerful and what an amazing journey. What an amazing journey. And you're still teaching now? What what elements are you teaching at the moment of your own and and yeah, what what do you do behind the scenes? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah, behind the scenes. So from two thousand twenty to like two thousand twenty-three, I was doing I kind of veered off and I did my own seminar called the Yoga of Chiropractic. And then after my second born, I was like, you know what? I'm I'm I don't like traveling and being away from my family. Like I literally would get on the airplane and start looking at photos of my kids, ⁓ Now I got I got three right now. And I just said, you know what? I just don't want to be away from my family. So I kind of was like, what's more important? I had the practice. I have my family. Got little kids. And ⁓ so as far as the teaching goes, I stopped doing more of like the seminar ⁓ series and I was like, I was pumping, man. I was like 10 seminars ⁓ in a 12 month period like each year. And ⁓ it was it was the jam. So then I kind of shifted gears more to ⁓ where chiropractors would do a private, like ⁓ two days or a day and a half training ⁓ with me. They'd have to bring, you know, their own ⁓ test dummies, ⁓ either some friends, you know, or like their significant other. And I would do basically a private one-on-one training and be like, all right, let's see what you got, let's see what we're working with, and then we fine-tune it. And I like that, you know. There's a difference between taking somebody from like a first, second, third quarter who's got raw skills, and then even a higher level quarter student where maybe they've they've been able to put some things together, which is which is also very enjoyable. But it was also kind of cool taking it to the next level, working with Kairos who have already been in practice for a bit and taking their their skills to the next level. So, you know. Still do that once in a while and it's not really something that I'm I'm going out and promoting. ⁓ but I do teach anatomy at like yoga teacher training programs. That's a lot of fun just because I can like dive into the anatomy, the minutia, from the biomechanical to the energetic to the vitalistic, and you're basically just talking chiropractic language and merged with yoga language. ⁓ and then here. ⁓ at now light and bone, we used to be called the life centric chiropractic, but light and bone is our is the new creation, it's the new evolution. Whereas before I was like the founder of the practice, now I'm a co-founder with my wife. It's fifty fifty, you know, in the in the conception. But as far as what I'm actually teaching here after the boom is the we call it the system, there's spine checkers, yoga, movement program. So like after yug boom, you get the adjustment, I felt like, all right, you just you just cleared the interference. You you removed the the blockage, the restriction, there's there's flow. So then I started thinking like w what do you do with that released energy once it gets like liberated? So here's a movement sequence for zzzz different areas in the body. mapped out 64 different ⁓ movement patterns based on the biomechanical design from the skull from the occiput down to the tailbone out to the gateways of the spine the shoulders and the hips so it's still like a vitalistic neurospinal extremity movement based program so now you've created like this new organic internal ⁓ alignment within the body after the adjustment. So better. You want your adjustments to hold? Yeah. You want to get a person to like a stabilized state so that their subluxations aren't just kind of reoccurring and you're adjusting. And that's boring, ⁓ at least to me. And then we have kind of more of like the yogic ⁓ breath work guided meditation with a biocharger classes. So then we can take people into scanning the body for tension, ⁓ focusing on lines of energy, the different energy centers in the body, and then ultimately landing at like, you know, right here, boom, where, you know, you're scanning your life. What are the things that you're doing? I want let's just name it. Like what are the things you're doing wrong? What do you need to do to clean up what you're doing wrong? And then visualize yourself in the highest expression. ⁓ that you could possibly be where you're doing everything right and how great and spectacular ⁓ it feels. So that's kind of like where we dive into like the breath work, concentration, ⁓ or one pointed focus into some concentration, into some, you know, visualization, leading to self-actualization, which is kind of like one of the main ⁓ purposes of yoga. So for me, like I got the Cairo, I got the yoga and it's just So that's the teaching. Dr. Nick Harvey: Wow. And this is what you take your clients through when they when they come to see you. How does that start? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. Just making sure my mic's up. So how does it start? Well, ⁓ it starts with ⁓ you know, are you talking like the the evaluation process, the sit down, tell me what's up, what brings you here, what are your goals, your visions, your dreams? Like, ⁓ you just your neck hurts and you can't look over the shoulder when you're driving. Is that it? Okay, fine. You know, or it's like, hey, ⁓ Can't pick up my kid. I can't play with my kid. Okay, that's important. Or you're a ⁓ jujitsu practitioner, and because you got a busted L5, you can't roll, and it's doing jujitsu is the most important thing in your life. So, consultation, conversation, what's up? There's just a nice scan going on at that point. You got the hands-on, motion palpation. Thank you, Henri Gilet. ⁓ thank you, Dr. Arno B. Bernier, the ⁓ good old fashioned scan the spine, looking for like abnormal elasticity of the connective tissue, reading for tone, looking for the buzz, seeing where the distortions are. I love taking x-rays. I love doing the functional motion ⁓ x-rays, cervical spine, lumbar spine, looking for abnormal coupled motion or any like biomechanical, ⁓ Derangements, ⁓ instability, congenital abnormalities, and of course, like, ⁓ man, you're moving fantastic. ⁓ you you just got a blocked atlas, and we've got to like clear out the major disruptor to the expression of your full potential. But then also the adjustments, the given, like when we designed the game plan, the structured program of care, if you will, the the adjustments the backbone, and then it's like, yo. We've got the movement system and we teach them the movement system. Usually it's not even there's no like arguing or I don't have to ⁓ convince it's just like the please teach me. I'm getting I get people who are like, I've seen your videos, I've read your website, I've maybe I've s read your book and I like what you're doing, please teach me. So I'm getting people that want to be taught. And then we have the the after hours. yoga movement meditation guided visualization class ⁓ again ⁓ with that frequency generator the Tesla coil light frequency vibration harmonics just so while you're doing your meditation you're just bathing your cells in like a recipe of high vibration. ⁓ not everybody comes to that one. Hey 615 on a Monday night they're like I'm cool but then once they do it they're like they're back. So I just need to get that one person in. But I don't put, you know, I don't put any pressure on people coming to that class. Some people go, hey, these these classes are mandatory. I don't I'm who I'm as soon as you tell me something's mandatory, I'm gonna be like, I don't know. I don't know if I like mandatory, but hey, they're here. It's a great tool for you. So if you want to get like the full body-mind, mind-body, one word. Dialed in, connected, let's go. I got you know, I got you. I got it, I got, I got the implements. And then we've got some cool stuff over there with some balance training, ⁓ you know, getting the vestibular system, the proprioceptive system dialed in. So we got some tools. We got some tools for support, and then if they wanna, you know, they go, I'll what what can I do at home? Here you go. Go to my website, tools for longevity. Check it out. Dr. Nick Harvey: That's awesome. I'm sure we could deep dive into this all day. You've you seem like you've got got it all. Got it all. ⁓ I wanted to get into your book too, because your book really starts to put things like vitalism, metaphysics, and epigenetics into the same place and bring them together collectively. And some people might struggle to understand how they can all connect. Would you be able to touch on the book and and how those DR.JEREMY BROOK: We could. Yeah. Dr. Nick Harvey: Pieces come together. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah, I wrote the book back in two thousand and nine. And to be honest, man, I'd have to look at the chapters ⁓ and see what see what the book's all about. Like it's been a while since I I read it, but every time I'd read it, I'd go, dang man, I was on to something back then. It was this was actually ⁓ really cool. Really for me, the book was a guide for ⁓ our patients. ⁓ You call them members, clients, patients. I call them patients. I know that that kind of might actually rub some chiropractors. You know, we have a certain lexicon that we that we like to use. ⁓ but anyways, it was for the people that I serve. Here's the manual. Read this. It's gonna again help support ⁓ the work and give like a philosophical scientific basis. So really my goal was to ⁓ merge and marry the vitalistic, kind of like with the biomechanical mechanistic, and show you how they're they're woven, they're married to one another. And it was like taking people through some of the basic ⁓ concepts, the the the big buzzwords that we have in chiropractic from like universal intelligence. There's a universal intelligence that exists in all matter that continually gives to it all of its actions and properties, thus maintaining it in existence. That intelligence is s is within your body. It's in planet Earth. You plant a seed inside planet into Earth. It grows and sprouts life. You plant a seed inside a human body, you know, it grows life. So it was like a way of then going, intelligence. Intelligence gets activated by ⁓ is activated by a life force that flows through your nervous system and then you can have interference, disruptors to the transmission of electrical impulses, prana, chi. I mean I think I have a there's the a chapter in there of like all of the different names for life force in all of the cultures ⁓ around the world, which I thought was absolutely spectacular. So then it's gonna like go from It takes like the life force and the energy and not make it so woo woo foo foo and then makes you kind of like ⁓ okay cool. Well there's like the gap from like the science, the known science, nerve impulses. I can track it, I can do a nerve conduction velocity test and see how fast nerves are traveling. And then it's like, all right, well now you're starting to talk life force, qi, prauna. it's like, ugh, what are our measuring devices for that? I I get it, you know, there's like where where does the the the mystery the the the abstract merge with the known and that's kinda like actually the name for our practice, light and bone is based on this concept life, life force, energy, prana, chi, vibration, frequency, energy, bone, architecture, flesh, you know, density, the heavy stuff. And then how do you the two are merged together through the nervous system? What's flowing through the nervous system? Electricity. Okay. Irritate those nerves, interfere with the transmission of flow. Now we got problems. So I wanted to establish that. ⁓ and then it's tone, tone, vibration, hypertonicity, hypotinicity, flow, ⁓ And then of course I took Dr. Chestnut's program. I think I mentioned that before. It might have been like in 2007, 2008. Tremendous program. He wrote four books. So then I was like, okay, now I got the, I got some, I got some ⁓ artillery to kind of like back things up s scientifically. And thank God for Dr. Monique Andrews too, who's and Dr. Heidi Havoc, ⁓ some some pioneers in the field bring in some of that chironeurology. But Back in 2009, I just wanted people to kinda have this ⁓ appreciation for the intelligence and the wisdom of the body, and then at the same time go, here are a bunch of basic ⁓ movements that you need to do to lubricate the joints in a very systematic manner systematic manner. Here's some maybe four or five different breathing methods: spinal breathing, alternate nostril breathing. And then ⁓ some positive affirmations and visualizations. Gotta thank Dr. Fred Schofield for he was big in the affirmations ⁓ department too. So I think I gave him a shout-out in my book, which is important too, you know, giving shout-outs to ⁓ to our teachers along along the path. But yeah, the book is called The Spine Checkers Man Manifesto. It's volume one. There's a volume two. Again, COVID kinda like brand COVID was there's like pre-COVID spine checker, post-COVID spine checker, it was like there's a little break. It was almost like ⁓ new chapter. So volume two is still just kinda like it's there, it's growing. It's gonna be like it's gonna be about as big as ⁓ I got my all my green books here, you know, it's gonna be about as thick as this book versus Spine Checker's Manifesto is like a little graphics novel. I'm standing on a nail board right now, so if I start s s you know, squinting my eyes and paying the the we've been we've been chatting for about what, forty minutes. I've been on my my nail board the whole time. Dr. Nick Harvey: Man, you Yeah. Feel like I'm surprised by the things you're saying, and then the next thing tops it every time, and it's just incredible. and on that too, I I want to deepen into you know, with your depth of knowledge and understanding of the human body, of the anatomy, of the spiritual aspects too. What is it that you have learnt we are doing when we adjust someone truly? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Let's let's keep going. Okay. I mean that's a deep that's a deep question. What are we doing to the spirit? Look, we're right now we've got a we've got matter. There's energy, there's matter, there's space, and you gotta if you want the energy to flow through ⁓ your body and express itself majestically, then the integrity of your body, the architecture of your body, the flesh, the organs, the glands, they need to be in the highest ⁓ state possible. That being said, ⁓ you need to make sure that there's going to be like a healthy form of communication. And it's like I love the disat the the afferentation, efferentation ⁓ concept where you know the how your body is interacting with the environment ultimately codes for the new ⁓ version of you. So If there's interference in your communication system, if there's ⁓ distortion in your ⁓ energetic system, then how are you to express your soul's ⁓ human ⁓ expression. So they say like every soul enters the body and it it has its own ⁓ trials and tribulations that it needs to sort out and and clean up before, you know, it's that the soul's turn to leave the body. So every soul you get dropped in that soul gets dropped into a body with different aspects, different ⁓ virtues, different emotions to to conquer through life and That's actually like a big piece. It's there's the get the body nice and strong so you could have like a long, fruitful ⁓ life. But also part of the game is making sure that your mind is able to emote ⁓ properly. You gotta have a fantastic mindset. So again, you can be like a self actualized ⁓ person again to complete that soul's journey as it mo as that soul moves through your body. cleans up all of those those life lessons and then some people believe in like a reincarnation model. You clean it up here and then the soul's ⁓ gonna jump in another body and hopefully there's less work for that soul's evolution. So there's there's that concept. So from chiropractic, you're making the body move better, you're making it function better. And we all know that once you get a fantastic adjustment, you're thinking better, your mood's better Your emotions are better. Sometimes when you're just subluxated, you're mean, you're grumpy, you're angry. And some people like that's their default mechanism there or their default setting. They're mean, they're nasty, they they've got no love, they're grumpy, they need a good old bang, boom, and then they get that opening ⁓ for a moment. They get kind of like that hit of all right, this is my true nature, this is my this is this is ⁓ the my soul's ⁓ essence. So I'm not actually necessarily thinking about although I have like a book on my bookshelf, the Anatomy of the Soul. Actually, speaking of that, yeah, I mean like I got a nice bookshelf right here. Boom. The Anatomy of the Soul and that's about ⁓ making sure you're sorting out, you're adjusting all of the incongruencies ⁓ in your life to become like the highest ⁓ vibrational, ⁓ expressed, manifest person in your in in this lifetime. So get the body right, get the mind right, get the emotions right, get the heart right, get the willpower right. That's what that's what ki that's what chiropractic About. It's like aligning the lines of energy in your body, getting you connected to the different energy centers in your body. That's where I go. I mean, BJ Palmer and ⁓ Didi Palmer, you don't have those. You gotta go more towards the the yogic end of the spectrum. I'm also like a kabbalist too, and like lining up the the tree of life within the man that you got the kabbalist tree of life, you've got this the chakras in the body, you've got the the classical spine. ⁓ brain, spinal cord, 31 pairs of nerves, the sympathetic, the parasympathetic. So I'm like I'm a sympathetic, parasympathetic, energy center, lines of energy kind of guy as my main ⁓ area of kind of like focus. But then as you just brought into the soul, I'm like the the big picture is well the soul came into your body for a reason and it's your job to give it a nice nice earthly lesson, earthly experience. Dr. Nick Harvey: Yeah. And you mentioned something there about getting a fantastic adjustment, which I I've seen a lot of you, I can tell you're a very tapped in, tuned in, present, artful, masterful adjuster. And I want to touch on what do you think the qualities are of a fantastic adjustment? And also what qualities should a chiropractor. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Thank you. Mm. Dr. Nick Harvey: gain or build to become a fantastic adjust all. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah, gotcha. You know, like the you can go again, it's like, do you want to go the the mystical route? And do you or do you want to go like more of the biomechanical, the structural route? Look at just to be frank, in and and social media has exposed this ⁓ very well. The to deliver the adjustment, you hear it again and again, it's a highly skilled maneuver. arguably the the most skilled maneuver in the holistic hands-on ⁓ universe. I mean don't get me wrong, an act an an acupuncturist placing a needle into a body is is a highly skilled ⁓ move from what I've heard. You know, you gotta place that needle in in a perfect way. And it's also s so anyways, it's a skilled maneuver. So what is skill? It's a physical skill. So chiropractor's gotta have fantastic ⁓ athletic ⁓ skills from speed, ⁓ it's the force application. You gotta be able to know how to play with depth. ⁓ so, you know, you gotta train this is like what Arnaud taught me was you have to train as if you're a professional chiropractic ⁓ athlete. You're a pro you're a chiropractic athlete and it has its if you're gonna be doing side posture, you know, anywhere from 100 to 300 to I mean the people that do you know let's just say super high volume. I mean God bless them. They got like an adjustatorium and they can just so you gotta be skilled physically, which requires ⁓ your training pro protocols have to support that. Now I don't care you want to do CrossFit or Yoga, Pilates, you want to be a runner, you want to do jujitsu, you know, whatever it is that that ⁓ fuels your your ⁓ passions and desires, I'm I'm cool with it, but if you're gonna be adjusting, you gotta make sure your body your body works. You I call it like ⁓ in the yoga of chiropractic, I called it the Jaguar method. I feel like being a chiropractor is almost like very feline, it's very animalistic. It's you gotta be fluid. ⁓ and then of course you have to be sensitive. You have to be sensitive ⁓ to the person. There's an empathy, there's a s I don't wanna say, yeah, empathy, sympathy. There's gotta be a heart centered, ⁓ service based connection. Otherwise you're just performing like a mechanical ⁓ procedure on somebody and the chiropractic adjustment is a it's it's a it's ⁓ there's there's gotta be a a big ⁓ trust component in order for ⁓ the experience to bang. ⁓ to to be delivered. So there's the the heart, there's the mind, there's ⁓ a regulated person. The chiropractor's gotta be regulated too because let's say people are coming in ⁓ in in pain. They're not all coming into your practice, hey I'd like to ⁓ have my C one corrected ⁓ via an upper cervical specific so that I can release ⁓ any interference that's build up like they're coming in For the most part, like like banged up and ⁓ they're angry or they're hurt and their pain body is speaking, and you know, you've got to be able to handle that ⁓ person. You gotta be able to handle different personality types. So there needs to be somewhat of like a grounded, centered ⁓ person, like with great breath, with great roots, strong core, so that when people come into your space and come into your field. And you know, you get rocked, you probably had that too. Not everybody is like, ⁓ thank you, ⁓ Dr. Nick. That was a lovely adjustment. You know, some people come in and hopefully it's like you know, they're unicorn patients, it's like one in one in a a thousand or so. But you have to be able to hold the line, hold the frame, set a standard of excellence. And I think that when you create a a healing center, you know, you're the You're the you're the main facilitator. So you gotta you gotta come on a on a mental, emotional, ⁓ physical level of like a high standard. So that's a kind of like a long-winded ⁓ breakdown, but you know, it's a highly skilled maneuver, you gotta have that. The other end of the spectrum, you gotta also have some clinical excellence. You gotta have some good skills. People ⁓ diagnostic skills, chiropractic diagnostic brain, chiropractic analysis. ⁓ you gotta be able to to feel tension. And for me I'm like a super sensitive ⁓ person. ⁓ I don't wanna say for better or worse, but for better. ⁓ and that's also kinda I guess my my life's journey being a fire type, ⁓ like re let's go. ⁓ that I have to be able to, you know, read certain situations kind of like calm in a calm manner and ⁓ Yeah, it's just it's it's a beautiful dance. I mean it's chiropractic ⁓ being a chiropractor is just absolutely spectacular. 'Cause it's a lot different than like tell me your problem. Okay, here, take this drug, have a great day. It's like, nah, man, you're having a dance, you're having a relationship with this person, shifting their brain, shifting their body, shifting their life. Dr. Nick Harvey: Yeah. What what you described is just the wholeness of chiropractic. You need to embody every element of who we are and and what it requires of you to reach that point of mastery is to lean into every single element. And I think that's the beauty in the journey of being a chiropractor is all of us well most of us want to be there in that point of mastery. And in order to get there It requires you to look at the shadows, look at the areas you need to build up, look at the areas you you can't shop as well in. And I think that's the beauty of the journey is the person you become by wanting to help more people on a deeper level. It's incredible. And DR.JEREMY BROOK: Well said. Dr. Nick Harvey: You have talked a lot, I believe, on the sacredness of what we do, and I've also seen you emphasize that you're very particular about who you let adjust you. Could you touch on why that is? DR.JEREMY BROOK: Hmm. ⁓ I think I have a a unique relationship to ⁓ to force. And you know, when I was in college playing I went to UC Irvine, biology major, but I also tried out for the baseball team, ⁓ made the team. I basically w never saw like the field or anything like that. I like the bullpen catcher for a little bit until I was having trouble catching, you know, ninety mile per hour ⁓ fastballs and all the junk that they were throwing. They ended up cutting the baseball program after my freshman year. And then I at the time was also boxing. My dad was like I'd said my dad was a boxer, so I grew up boxing. And then I actually you know would be in the you know in the ring sparring ⁓ and and fighting. So I actually had a friend was like, hey man you should come out and ⁓ try out for the rugby team. So I was like, ⁓ he's like, man, you love scrapping and you're very athletic. So I go, okay, that sounds like a good combination. Rugby, perfect position for any size, height. So I I went off fell in love with rugby. But one day, ⁓ broken nose and skull, mangled neck, separated shoulder. That's a whole other podcast. ⁓ ⁓ but yeah, like that chain that changed me. So kinda like from that moment I played played one more season of ⁓ rugby ⁓ after that and then that that was it. But I I had this like new relationship with contact, whereas before I didn't mind I mean, no one likes getting punched in the face. Once you break your break bones in your face, ⁓ kind of changes how how you interact with ⁓ force. So I I always like looked at once I started getting adjusted and then once I was doing making love to the spine and then mastery love service that I really ⁓ tuned into how a person was ⁓ implementing force into bodies and I needed somebody who was you know, I I didn't love the big heavy hitting ⁓ adjustment. I needed like I need like a finesse I like a nice deep finesse adjustment. I don't like feeling like I just got kicked in the neck. by like a horse, you know, like a back back kick from a horse, which some people do. And also with ⁓ the yoga and plus the chiropractic, like now you the my awareness of like how every single joint in the body is arranged and aligned and I'm thinking about lines of drive and lines of correction or you know, I'm figuring like, man, this guy should have gone a forty, forty degree angle, bam, I to S with like just a subtle degree of rotation. That was like a lateral flexion plus a crank. And I'm like, bro, I did not I did not enjoy that ⁓ very much. ⁓ in fact one time at a MLS two ⁓ seminar, ⁓ this dude this guy and this dude this chiropractor adjusted me so violently in the low back. And ⁓ I actually got real angry at it, ⁓ at at him and I go, Man, that was not making love to the spine. That was like a violation ⁓ to the spine. Like you f you effed me up on that one. And then we had a good it was actually like a really good teaching moment. you know. ⁓ so yeah, you know, I'm looking for an artist. I'm looking for somebody who has ⁓ respect when their adjustment that they can actually feel. ⁓ the the space that they're thrusting into that it's not just a bone, that it's not just a listing, but there's you're thrusting into a nervous system. Is that nervous system dealing with ⁓ like a brace to splint and a guard and you want to try to pla you know blast through that or is a person into a place of ease, rest, ⁓ relaxation. And you know, so I'm looking for a Cairo who is tuned and thankfully like I roll with kairos who do that but I've had since we opened up this space I've had set I've had four chiropractors come by ⁓ one that I actually knew ⁓ Dr. Nash what's up he was he was in town passing through ensinators I was like yo bam he just did a little drop-in had another chiropractor ⁓ he's a Gonstead chiropractor in the area jacked his knee up doing ⁓ jujitsu I had like a had a full flow going here and he's like I gotta see patience at 845. Can you just clear me out? You know that's like a good that's a good way to get on the table, right? Can you just clear me out? And I just need to have my subluxations corrected. And I'm like face down doc. Let me get you hooked up and I'm gonna remember that one. I need to I need to get sorted out. ⁓ and then a couple other another Cairo who is here for a golf tournament. And actually two other kairos, they popped in, I go, Nah, bro, we're we ain't we ain't doing tours and adjustments right now. It's not not now's not the time. ⁓ but yeah, I I like a a silky, smooth, connected chiropractor. Period. Dr. Nick Harvey: Mmm, there's a lot there. There's a lot there. And I think my belief that I I've been thinking about this a lot of why I believe chiropractic is so sacred. And and it only fits into the box because I believe all of human experience is so sacred. That each human experience and interaction we have, there is a sacred component to it. So therefore, if someone's face down on your table. That's a sacred moment. They're they're allowing and they're trusting in you to come in and deliver the goods. And I think if we broke down the archetypes of chiropractors I see coming out, there's the the student, the even the new grad that is is super gentle and is focused and they're not wanting to hurt anyone. And I love that element of they're taking care and they're being cautious. And then there's this midpoint, I see a lot of chiropractors in It's the overconfident and they've adjusted a few people and they they think they know what they're doing and they they've seen chiropractors use a lot of speed and now they want to put a bit of oomph into it, but they haven't quite got the finesse. And I think that can be a dangerous place to be because when you're overconfident and you're not listening and honestly doing it a bit from a place of ego, that's where things can go wrong. and I know we've connected and we've talked a lot about this about ego in chiropractic about about beef in the profession and I want to get your touch point on what you're seeing, what patterns are happening and what you think needs to change within the profession of this whole you know, this is my thing and ⁓ this is my lingo and language and you have to yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. We just saved like the controversial stuff for ⁓ last, right? Okay. Or or maybe it's not last, but ⁓ With regards to the young Kairos, it's better to start off ⁓ I don't want to say apprehensive, because that that's not the vibe that we're looking for. Calm, collected, centered, and if you're putting in low force, better to put in low force, low intensity into a system ⁓ than too much. Always, always in the in the early stages. And then as a person gathers more ⁓ repetitions, because you know it's all always about time, repetition, and energy. That's how we learn, that's how we grow. ⁓ it's then that you start learning again that tapping into that sensitivity of how to provide more of like a deeper ⁓ the depth and the amplitude and then enhancing the speed. Again, we see a lot of people Covering up ⁓ sloppy mechan sloppy, I'll just say mechanics. I have no problem talking about biomechanics. I love biomechanics. I'm a I'm a biomechanist lover. ⁓ sloppy biomechanists, mechanics with speed. Okay, so now you've got potentially a person who hasn't harnessed the sensitivity, the skill levels to deliver precise adjustments. And by the way, that Is gonna just happen with ⁓ practice where you are as an adjuster at five the five-year mark versus a 10-year mark versus a 15-year mark versus half a century of adjusting. ⁓ it's it's so cool to see the evolution. And you know, you just gotta stay at it, ⁓ stay on top of it, but with ⁓ a level of respect and a level of humbleness. What happens is Once we start delivering adjustments and we see how people go like you blow people open, you clear them out, and they're just like, wow. And then they tell you, ⁓ my gosh, ⁓ it's amazing how great you made me feel. And then it it fills the person up with ⁓ different emotions. So you have to be ⁓ mindful of the emotional state. The emotions that you're getting because you're you're helping people ⁓ feel spectacular, that then can shift into abnormal, inflated states of ego. And you know, again, like ⁓ ego adjusting. There's ego, there's ego in everything. So would it be nice to minimize the ego and just have like a look? We already know you can deliver a great adjustment, you don't need a to to brag about it, but it's fun. You know, it's fun to kind of like showcase your moves. ⁓ some some of it's just like is is wild ⁓ out there. We don't I don't even need to name any names. Some of it's absolutely glorious and spectacular. I've got some serious favorites out there ⁓ who who adjust. You had one cat on there, ⁓ Dr. Dylan I feel like I should take my shirt off. Like I thought we maybe we'd do the the the interview shirtless like Dr. Dylan, although he's got a lot more color on his body. I'm just I'm just a bron I'm a I'm a tan dude right now 'cause the sun's been pumping in California. ⁓ look, the ego, it's just ⁓ it's unnecessary. And ⁓ at some point everybody kind of like they're either gonna get their their ego into a healthy spot. You need it you need a little bit of ego 'cause that's also what's gonna propel you. ⁓ what you know, you got what curiosity, you're curious, you're creative. I like tapping into those those energies, especially in for my evolution. So I just follow my curiosity and what what I find interesting and what what's creative and ultimately that translates too into my ⁓ adjusting like ooh I like this move. ⁓ ooh I like that move. Now as far as like people kind of like going this I own this move. Like bull do you own that move right now? I mean if we always if we go we're talking lineage and we start tracing moves back up to the source, like Unless you've unless a chiropractor has created like a unique ⁓ lexicon or a way of describing how to approach a person, then they've created like a new approach. But look, we're all borrowing from the DDs, the BJs, the Gonsteds, the ⁓ the Epsteins to the Talskis, to the you know, all of those, the the the Schofields, who whoever are like the the Petabon, the Harrisons, you know, whoever were like the the big dogs or, you know, the the Virgil Cranes or you know the the seed you got the seeded you got the the face the the supine version. Unless you come up with a brand new move that nobody's ever seen like look you're basically teaching your refinement Of what you've learned. The yoga of chiropractic, look, for me, like teaching MLS, what to go the yoga of chiropractic has nothing to do with MLS. It's like, are you kidding me? Like, that's my entire that's my entire foundation right there. Actually, I had another foundation before. I had the motion palpation. I did Palmer West's Palmer package. It was spectacular. So I already had a nice solid base. I didn't discover. ⁓ Arno's ⁓ system until like my third year in chiropractic school, my last year in Cairo school. The whole seminar scene that the young Kairos the Kairos today ⁓ get to enjoy was not happening 25, 26 years ago. You had one guy here, you got one guy here and one guy there. And to be honest, a lot of the the cats that are teaching right now you know, we've got a we've got a source teacher, you know, we've got a source connector. So I'm cool, man. I I'm I'm cool. Now I'm cool. I used to get into big emotional ⁓ diatribes with people when they would say, ⁓ this came from somewhere else and I'm like, BS, that came from Arno. Like I was I was Arno's in, you know, you had the main boss and then you had like his ⁓ the guy next to him. you know, defending him, like, hey, go after him. Although Arnaud never liked if I I said he actually would tell me like at seminars, after seminars, we would debrief and goes, Hey, listen, I hear you're being a little ⁓ you're being a little harsh and in ⁓ protecting my lineage and prote I go, Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's the source, you know, and people gotta know. ⁓ look, Arnaud would also I'm not I'm not saying anything like ⁓ inappropriate at this point, but he would say every once in a while, like, look at this person teaching seminar, look at that person teaching. They're not ready yet. They're just not ready. And I said, ⁓ no, look, you're teaching a seminar called Mastery, Love, and Service. You're training young masters. And ultimately, if you want to become a master, ⁓ you've got to go through different preparatory stages. And ultimately, like the final one is you need to teach it. You know, the difference is you're calling yourself a master, you're teaching mastery. You ain't a master, but you can still teach. ⁓ so you know, for me, when people would ask me to be their mentor when I was like 10 years out of school, I go, bro, I'll call I'll hook you up as a brother. You know, you know, I'll I'll tell you, I I don't want your money because I'm still learning the game. Fifteen years go by, okay. You know, 20 years go by, I'm like, okay, I got my black belt now. But I got my black belt. So for the young cats who are like one or two years out of school and they're like fantastic looking adjusters and they're jumping into the the adjusting scene, I go, yo, just chill out. Just, just chill out. There's a couple other dogs that are, and I'm not even saying me, but there's other cats right now that are at the mastery level right now. You got Dr. Tim Young. He's been out probably maybe a couple years ⁓ more than me. He's teaching some great. ⁓ seminars. He's kind of got his own flavor. ⁓ so, but there's a there's a lot of other peeps. They've got their unique ⁓ expression. And then there's other people, ⁓ and there's a there's a laundry list who are basically doing ⁓ they're just sharing teachings from their teachers with just like a little poly ⁓ a refined polish. And I'm and I'm cool with that, man. I gotta be cool with that. And at some point through this ⁓ process, something fantastic is gonna come up, something unique is gonna come up, and then ultimately we'll have ⁓ more evolution. But for people to go, no, I own this move, I'm like, bullshit, you you own that move. That's a you know, Gonsted. Before Gonsted, who else was doing seated cervicals? You know what I mean? So when I was doing the yoga of chiropractic, one of my big things was. We're doing seated cervicals at ⁓ at the yoga of chiropractic. That was something we weren't doing at MLS. Did it also have a lot of ⁓ I wasn't teaching MLS, but I was teaching my kind of what if a yogi showed up to deliver an adjustment? That was my game. So it was like lines of energy, using yoga poses, yoga stances, ⁓ A couple different variations in the setup process ultimately to get to a place of peace, relaxed physiology. What does that sound like? Now I'm back to MLS. So, like, look, do I not teach because I was a student of so and so and so or teach your thing, be respectful of the lineage. ⁓ but if If we just go, you can't teach because you took a seminar ⁓ of mine 17 years ago, but now you're teaching like ⁓ an aspect of my seminar, I'll be like, cool, bro. Well done. Let's see what's your addition, what's your add-on to that. Cool. And I probably want to learn that too. I'm a student. One of the things that actually tweaked me once I started teaching ⁓ MLS was I was a student. I love being a student. Of the game. I want to learn from you. I wanted to learn from you. I wanted to learn from you. I took a little bit of this. I took a little bit of that. I refined it into my system. I I'm I'm of the Bruce Lee Jikune Do mindset. ⁓ take what's useful and discard the rest. Some of these setups, let's say a side posture, Gonstead maybe takes a shoulder way out here, another, and then take the hip down there. I'm like, nah, man, I want to be, I want to be in here. So I came up with a whole other system of side posture. I see that person copied it, that person copied. Okay, are they giving me credit? No, I don't need it, I don't need them to give credit. Good job. You're a student of the game. You go, let me try this, let me try that. Rock and roll. I don't own any of the movements. I can't say this is ⁓ this is the Brooke move. I got a little setup here, I got a little setup there. I'm gonna take a spinous process content contact. Who's who owns spinous process con contact? What, Gonsted? Okay, fine. Who's got a ⁓ double phenar in the mix? Is that RNO or is that a diversified shit? I'll give, you know, it I'm a student of the game. Instagram, thank you so much. Cause I can learn. ⁓ I can refine. I still got my core movements. I'm not actually like ⁓ doing anything different from what I normally do. ⁓ but I can appreciate it, you know, kinda like a ⁓ a small yay, you know, ooh, that's a nice wine, you know. I'm like, ooh, damn, that is a beautiful adjustment, or fuck man, that dude just rape raked. ⁓ ripped into the ⁓ anatomy and people go and Nate's gonna take the force and convert it into a constructive blah blah blah bop. I go, yeah. And Nate also knows like if you're snowboarding or skiing and your knee bends in a bad angle, your your inside part of your knee is probably not gonna go, ⁓ thank you for that force. It's like now I got a torn, you know, I got the terrible triad. So I'm very f force sensitive I like what I see ⁓ unless like ⁓ you're you're the OG originator of like of any of these moves I say just relax chill out we're all borrowing it from our teachers and we're we're making it our own there's there are some peeps there are some training methods ⁓ that have created their own lexicon and and doing some really really great work I just haven't I haven't trained with them so I'm not even gonna name ⁓ really and ⁓ speak on it. But I just say, yo, let's just keep going, let's just keep borrowing. Period. Dr. Nick Harvey: Mm. And I think the irony of it all is none of it is complete original work. And as you said, it's it's all borrowed from somewhere. And I think the part that really gets to me is especially as someone early into their career as a chiropractor, is is when did it become about a technique or when did when did it become about a group? And when did we forget about it being the evolution of chiropractic. And when did we forget about it helping more chiropractors help more people on a deeper level? And I think that's what we've lost sight of. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. You know, ⁓ again, ⁓ Arnaud was a g again the this force for me that I always whenever I do a podcast, like it's always like Arno, Arno, Arno. ⁓ Arno had this vision through his seminar was to awaken the consciousness in chiropractic. ⁓ and and ⁓ with regards to chiropractors elevating their game, elevating their skill, becoming a professional chiropractic athlete. And ⁓ you know, I was part of that movement and actually that was like one of the reasons why I but you know, I kinda like veered right and they they were that kept rolling that way. I actually saw what some other systems and other ⁓ techniques were doing. S also students of Arnaud, but some other people, and I'm gonna give a shout out to Dr. Brett Jones with ⁓ KTC, ⁓ Because like I felt like what he did with his training culture was like ultimately like Arno's ⁓ that was like get it on every campus, you know, there's the love club, but ⁓ and there was a there was an MLS movement, but I felt like Dr. Brett Jones and KTC ⁓ boom, you know, launched it onto the map. And by the way, we're me and Jones, we're we we're clean, but back in the day. Me and Jones did not like each other because I was with the the MLS gang and he was with the KTC gang, whereas he was like peace, but I was like still like you stole from N didn't steal it. Like you get it? He studied, he got it, he's also into martial arts, he had a training system, he had a vision, ⁓ he's a leader and he did his thing. Beef, you know, the beef I I think is is probably squashed. with with those two training systems as far as ⁓ I know. I know I'm good. I'm g I'm a I'm clean with everybody right now. I got no beef. ⁓ but you know, the the goal is how can we elevate ⁓ the profession? And there were people who said, We're gonna teach seminars to elevate the profession and they came up with like a fantastic seminar series and I'm cool with that. Like ⁓ I haven't taken many of those ⁓ training ⁓ programs, but God bless those guys because and gals ⁓ who are doing it because they're they're trying to now look again if somebody comes up with ⁓ we're still pat let's just say we're packaging it ⁓ in a unique unique way to to ⁓ communicate and educate and train different chiropractors. Yeah, I think there's like some type of ⁓ what's the word I'm looking for? ⁓ proprietary packaging, if you will. I'll give I'll give I'll give the chiropractor and the training group that that the way that they want to share, that the way that they wanna teach, ⁓ it it belongs to that that system. That being said, again, like what? Because I come from the the MLS lineage and the MLS system, which was like one of the big daddies talking about tone and elements, the earth, the water, the wind, the fire, the ether. You know, as soon as you say elements, And you're you're now teaching it in your system. Well, okay, well, if you're teaching in that's an MLS, that's an Arnaud Bernier, ⁓ OG original concept. So what? You can't talk elements at your seminar? Okay, fine. You wanna talk ⁓ line of correction, line of drive. That's everybody, right? You wanna talk ease, you wanna talk that's an MLS thing, okay, sheesh. So do So what are we doing here? You know what I mean? But like, hey, if there's variations in the setup, also borrowing with ease and flow and element, I'm totally cool. Pick your thing. But if you got if you're teaching ⁓ a movement, let's just say like the big popular ones. I mean, the you have the the ring anywhere from the ring dinger. ⁓ ring dinger, the dude with the towel, the ring dinger, if you're doing a ring dinger. You that's ringdinger's move. Love it or hate it or hate it or love it. You know, that's ringdinger. Then you got the Y strap. Who's the Y strap guy? All right, well now if your teeth You want to do an occipital move? That's a virgil that's an alphabiotic ⁓ move. So now are you teaching alphabiotics? Okay. You're teaching a ⁓ a cranial lift. Fine. Is nobody else allowed to teach a cranial lift? Okay. Is it nobody allowed to do a seated cervical except for Gonsted practitioners? Is nobody allowed to do a HIO or a toggle re man, upper cervical's wild. How many how many techniques in the upper cervical realm are there? Nuka, HIO, Blair, nhe chest. Like come on, what how about that? There's just different variations to to kiss the bone. Different intr no one own no one owns the spine. No one owns the spine. There's certain elements. If you're teaching like a an entire seminar series based on an entire methodology that belongs to somebody, that's kind of bunk. And ⁓ those people that do that, that's kind of bunk. But if you're like ⁓ you know, let's talk about the occiput, but we can do a seeded occiput, you can do a supine occiput. You can do a lift oxaput, you can do a oxiput. Take take your pick. Have fun. Anybody that wants wants to talk smack, I was a smack talker again. Anybody who's who said that the soul the the the source came from this technique, I was like, nah, that's MLS. But look, before MLS, you know, we see people doing the drills, by the way. You know, ⁓ thrust when you hear the clap. You know, ⁓ that's MLS. Was that MLS? I don't know. Watch old school BJ Palmer classrooms and people were doing the toggle recoil. Okay, well that's how you train. Cool. Did maybe RNO make it ⁓ more popular for this era? Yeah, you go back into the the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties, that's a that's a Palmer move. That was a Sherman move probably. Farnot was hanging out with like Reggie Gold, Reggie Gold was with BJ Palmer, right? Dr. Nick Harvey: Mm. It's almost like it has to skip a generation for anyone to be happy. You know? Perfect. DR.JEREMY BROOK: ⁓ no one's ever no no is anybody ever gonna be happy. ⁓ but that's also Dr. Nick Harvey: Probably not. Because even even some of the names e even some of the names you mentioned just before are now unhappy that other people are out starting their own things. So the cycle perpetuates, it continues. And you know, w one person that and I I've experienced it myself, obviously starting a a seminar with with the next one upcoming next week, or first one. ⁓ but you know, someone you mentioned before, Dr. Dylan Morn has just been a legend of DR.JEREMY BROOK: Yeah. Dr. Nick Harvey: you know, a ment a mentor of mine and super supportive and for him himself experiencing what it's like, ⁓ he's really had my back, which has been great. And and I hope we see more of that within the profession. DR.JEREMY BROOK: He's my favorite, by the way. I mean, there's a lot of a lot of great guys out there. And ⁓ I I I think I I I like watching him the best. ⁓ he's got a better mustache than me. I'm keeping mine a little tight. He's got a fat mustache. ⁓ but yeah, man, he's fun, he's creative, and ⁓ for me and my Cairo brain, I like I like specificity, I like it clean. Once the adjustments start. Dr. Nick Harvey: Hmm. DR.JEREMY BROOK: looking a little sloppy, I go, I'm out. You ain't touching me. You ain't touching me. But I like a lot of ⁓ there's we got so many artists out there. But yeah, we got the beef. I I'm sure at at some point I know Dr. Dylan and Dr. Brett kind of have both they're in they're ⁓ dealing with ⁓ they're still in the early stages. They've both been on ⁓ podcasts recently and I get it, man. I w I was there too. I was on I was on the soldier side and then I was on the war side. and ⁓ I think time heals. And ⁓ look, man, well, we gotta we gotta unite. ⁓ but you know, Dr. Dylan's got great stuff to teach, it sounds like. And ⁓ not and Dr. Jones, Dr. Brett's got some great stuff. ⁓ I see ⁓ what's his name? ⁓ Strat Poulson, Dr. That dude's got that dude just he's he delivers the goods too. I mean you can you can flow. I mean, who el who else is beautiful out there? Doctor Monique. ⁓ I mean, Doctor she's kind of in the she's a little flowy. She's ⁓ gosh. ⁓ we've been talking for like an hour and a half and I'm standing on a again, like a bed of nails, ⁓ right now. Katina Manning. You know, you ever watch Katina Manning ⁓ adjust? Some people you see her videos go off outside of chiropractic where people start talking smack about like, well, look at this person adjusting. I'm like, well, that's a person who's just the lines are the there's no lines. She's connected to the person and the way that she puts the f whatever she's gotta do to put a beautiful force into the body. ⁓ so I mean, yeah, we could we could chat about like who who are the just the the fantastic people. ⁓ doing some some great work. And I also gotta say, like somebody who I I'd love to just give a shout out to is a guy named ⁓ Dr. Travis ⁓ Stewart who's helping remove subluxations ⁓ in the practice development ⁓ realm with regards to the communication and also like running your own social media and And getting like your expression out there so that people find you and and come back in. So I gotta I gotta throw him out there too. Cause he actually put his hat out in the adjusting universe. And he's actually another ⁓ person who I I really like watch ⁓ to watch adjust. I like watching you adjust too, my man. I'm probably I like that. Think. Heart, like every move that you do, bro, is is It's very clean. It's very thoughtful. It's very specific. It's very honoring. ⁓ I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Dr. Nick Harvey: Thanks, brother. I appreciate you and someone I'm in the talks with again on this podcast is Dr. Cantina as well. I'd really love to sit down and chat with her. So she's she's in the work. She's she'll she'll be on soon. ⁓ DR.JEREMY BROOK: ⁓ cool. That's cool. Me and me and her may have something special popping up in the future. I can't say it. I I've signed a non disclosure agreement. I just blew it right there. ⁓ but you'll somet something in the works. Something in the works. Dr. Nick Harvey: I love it. I love it. We'll we'll wait to hear for that. And just before we wrap up today, Dr. Jeremy, have you got anything upcoming you'd like to share with anyone on the podcast? And where can people learn and find more out about you and and what you do? DR.JEREMY BROOK: ⁓ you know, if you're in ⁓ Southern California, specifically in North County San Diego, which is where I live now, we escaped Los Angeles finally. ⁓ if you wanna experience the goods, it's at Light and Bone, so lightandbone.com. ⁓ we also have the after hours, ⁓ the aligned class, which is the yoga, the breath work, the concentration, the meditation ⁓ practices. If you're around the world or ⁓ wherever and you wanna I know if you can see that little link right there. That's called ⁓ Spine Checker's Yoga Program, The Wise Progressions, which has like 64 different movement sequences. So you can ⁓ go to Spine Checker University, you can get the get all of the moves that we actually teach there. And there's the book. Spine Checker University is like the hub. Spine Checker on Instagram. That's kinda like the way to to follow me. I have a program for chiropractors. It's actually gonna get enhanced since we just built out this beautiful ⁓ space called the system. And it was designed during the COVID era for when I was coaching chiropractors and they're like, Hey, I wanna open up my own practice, what do I gotta do? And I go and I kept telling P this is what I do. And then I finally w was like, Let me create a program. created a program so people can see how I like to how I think what's going what are the processes in my brain. SpinecheckerUniversity dot com, Spine Checker Everywhere. As far as upcoming ⁓ events, ⁓ we're looking at 2027. ⁓ again I like I said before, I used to cry when I would leave my kids and you know it's been a while and I'm I'm kinda like getting Getting excited and getting thirsty to to teach ⁓ more since there's been like a little bit of a a gap. ⁓ so I got two things coming up. ⁓ 2027. Be on the lookout. You'll see it on Instagram, most likely. one might one's one's gonna be in Europe and then one's going to be ⁓ here in the US. So working on those. And then hopefully Spine Checkers Manifesto Volume Two. Maybe two and three. We'll do it like a movie where you go two and three back to back coming soon. Dr. Nick Harvey: I love it. I love it. We'll look out for that and hopefully one day in the future over to Australia. I'd love to get you over this way. DR.JEREMY BROOK: I love Australia. I've never been to Melbourne, ⁓ but I'd love to get there. ⁓ and I heard ⁓ being American, you can say Melbourne, like you don't have to convert it into Australian English. What's your what's your feeling about that? Should I say Melbourne or Melbourne? Dr. Nick Harvey: It's up to you. It either sounds either sounds strange to us. ⁓ you sound more ⁓ American saying Melbourne. ⁓ but yeah, whatever works for you. DR.JEREMY BROOK: That's great. Dr. Nick Harvey: Well, Dr. Jeremy, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast and we've we've gone through a lot today and yeah, just wanna thank you for your time and your wisdom and the impact you're leaving on this next generation of chiropractors too. And I'm sure a lot of people are gonna find out a lot more about you and learn and dive deep 'cause there's just so much wisdom and experience there and yeah, thank you for sitting down with me and chatting today. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Hey man, it's ⁓ it's an honor. It was a pleasure and I'm excited ⁓ to watch you go through the sh your progression too. So thanks for having me. Dr. Nick Harvey: Till next time. DR.JEREMY BROOK: Peace.