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Senator Lindsey Graham's funeral, Iran fires missiles (again), and Dr. Fauci vs. Sen. Rand Paul · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Welcome at the Sad Day inside the beltwigh as services
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  Speaker 1: commemorating the life and career of Lindsey Graham, or underway
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  Speaker 1: at the National Cathedral. Let's start there. President Trump opened
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  Speaker 1: the ceremony at the National Cathedral cut number seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: Today we gather in the deepest gratitude and profoundest Sarah
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  Speaker 2: to honor a beloved friend, the devoted brother, a respected statesman,
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  Speaker 2: a giant of the United States Senate, the true American
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  Speaker 2: original who left us much too soon, and that can
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  Speaker 2: only be the one and only Lindsey Graham. By the
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  Speaker 2: strength of his steadfast convictions, the force of his magnetic personality,
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  Speaker 2: and the goodness of his noble soul. Lindsay Roads from
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  Speaker 2: a small town in rural South Carolina, place he loved
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  Speaker 2: so much to become a constant fixture of American politics
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  Speaker 2: at the highest level and a force to be reckoned
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  Speaker 2: with all over the world. For more than thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: nothing of consequence happened in this capital without Lindsay Graham
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  Speaker 2: knowing about it. Nothing of significance happened anywhere in the
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  Speaker 2: world without Lindsay Graham having a view on it, And
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  Speaker 2: no bill became law in the most exceptional republican human
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  Speaker 2: history without Lindsay Graham having essay in it. He was
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  Speaker 2: a man who gave America the full measure of his
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  Speaker 2: good and mighty heart until that heart itself just gave out.
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  Speaker 3: But even though.
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay's life was cut short, well, he was still so
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  Speaker 2: full of vim and vigor. There can be no doubt
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  Speaker 2: that he lived absolutely to the fullest. He died doing
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  Speaker 2: the work he was born to do. He was truly
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  Speaker 2: a great politician, serving the country he loved to serve
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  Speaker 2: so deeply.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very moving ceremony, as was the ceremony in
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  Speaker 1: the Capitol rotunda today. Vice President Fans, who is by
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  Speaker 1: the constitutions dictates the President of the Senate, offered remarks.
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  Speaker 1: Cut number one.
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  Speaker 4: Braham told me a story about his time in the House,
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  Speaker 4: and if I repeated exactly what he told me, Darlene,
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  Speaker 4: it would be the end of my political career forever.
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  Speaker 4: But what I can say is that I was laughing
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  Speaker 4: so hard that by the time we got to the
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  Speaker 4: next event, I.
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  Speaker 5: Had abdominal cramps and I was barely able to speak.
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  Speaker 4: Because Lindsey Graham could make anybody laugh, and he could
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  Speaker 4: make anybody feel at home.
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  Speaker 5: I was talking.
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  Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. As evidence on this program dozens of
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  Speaker 1: times over the twenty seven years we've been on the air,
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  Speaker 1: cut number two of the Vice President.
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  Speaker 4: I remember once I got to the Senate getting in
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  Speaker 4: this argument with Lindsay and as John said, as Leader
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  Speaker 4: Thune said, he was a fierce defender of Ukraine, and
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  Speaker 4: he and I got into this intense argument at a
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  Speaker 4: Senate lunch. I think some of our colleagues probably remember
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  Speaker 4: this about a funding bill for Ukraine. And I remember
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  Speaker 4: at the end of it going back to my staff.
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  Speaker 4: And I was at the time working on a rail
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  Speaker 4: legislation that I really really cared about, and I remember
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  Speaker 4: going back to my staff and saying, well, that's probably
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  Speaker 4: the end of Lindsay's vote on the railway bill, because
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  Speaker 4: he is never going to support anything I support. After
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  Speaker 4: the argument that he and I just had, and of
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  Speaker 4: course I found out a couple of weeks later from
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  Speaker 4: another Senate colleague that the fiercest advocate of that bill
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes was Senator Lindsay Graham. Now Lindsay was
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  Speaker 4: who he was, and I knew that Lindsay couldn't even
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  Speaker 4: pretend to care about rail policy. It was something I
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  Speaker 4: really cared about, but it wasn't something Lindsey was particularly
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  Speaker 4: focused on. And so I went to Lindsay and I said,
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  Speaker 4: why are you helping me? Why are you helping this legislation.
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  Speaker 4: I expected him to do what so many politicians would do.
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  Speaker 4: I expected him to lie and say, well, I really
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  Speaker 4: care about rail legislation, and he said, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 4: care about that at all.
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  Speaker 5: I said, why are you helping me?
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  Speaker 4: And he said, why, I don't care about it, but
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  Speaker 4: you do. And that was the kind of colleague. He
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  Speaker 4: could be a person you argued with and fought with
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  Speaker 4: in one minute, but behind the scenes, without collecting an
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  Speaker 4: ounce of credit, was working for you and working for
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  Speaker 4: the things that you cared about in the next That
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  Speaker 4: was who Lindsey Graham.
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  Speaker 1: Was then the Vice president. Drew a circle around Lindsey
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  Speaker 1: Graham's significant contribution to the huge future of this country
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  Speaker 1: going on for decades. Cut number three.
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  Speaker 5: Before I knew Lindsay.
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  Speaker 4: One of the most enduring parts of his legacy is
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  Speaker 4: I do believe that Justice Kavanaugh would not be on
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  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court were it not for his fierce advocacy
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  Speaker 4: during a critical moment. Remember that Senate confirmation hearing where
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  Speaker 4: Lindsay and by the way, he got criticism from the
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  Speaker 4: Republican side.
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  Speaker 5: Of the aisle for this. He would always vote.
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  Speaker 4: For qualified Democrat judicial nominations. He came to the judicial
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  Speaker 4: nomination process in a spirit of bipartisanship. Again, he was
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  Speaker 4: criticized sometimes from our side.
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  Speaker 5: Of the aisle for that, But what he saw.
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  Speaker 4: Happening to kavanall was not a policy disagreement.
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  Speaker 5: It was character assassination.
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  Speaker 4: And Lindsay got as fiery and as passionate as I
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  Speaker 4: have ever seen a human being get during a judicial confirmation,
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  Speaker 4: and I believe that he saved that nomination. Now, that moment,
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  Speaker 4: of course went viral, but Lindsay didn't do it for
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  Speaker 4: social media clicks. He did it to do something at
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  Speaker 4: the very highest part of the Senate, which.
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  Speaker 5: Was to persuade his colleagues.
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  Speaker 4: And persuade his colleagues he did. I remember there were
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  Speaker 4: a few people who were waffling at that moment, a
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  Speaker 4: few people who were unsure what they were going to do.
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  Speaker 4: Lindsey didn't just earn a lot of headlines.
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  Speaker 5: He actually persuaded people.
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  Speaker 4: And that maybe is how I will choose most to
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  Speaker 4: remember my friend Lindsey Graham. He saw that the Senate
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  Speaker 4: at its very worst could be a venue for character assassination.
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  Speaker 4: But because he loved people, he saw that the Senate
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  Speaker 4: at its very best could be a deliberative body geared
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  Speaker 4: towards persuading people. And that's what Lindsay Graham did in
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  Speaker 4: that case and in so many others. So I choose
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  Speaker 4: to remember Lindsey Graham as a man who could disagree
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  Speaker 4: with you without being disagreeable. I choose to remember Lindsey
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  Speaker 4: Graham as a person who could fight with you on
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  Speaker 4: one issue, but fight for you on another issue. I
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  Speaker 4: remember Lindsey Graham as a man who loved people, and
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  Speaker 4: because he loved people, he was willing to reason with them,
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  Speaker 4: to respect them, and ultimately to persuade.
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  Speaker 1: Him and finally cutting number four the Vice president this
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  Speaker 1: morning in the rotunda.
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  Speaker 4: I remember on that campaign trail where you know you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to raise money, and one of the ways that
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  Speaker 4: you raise money is you send people to your campaign website.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, Lindsay before one of these Fox hits
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  Speaker 4: on the campaign trail, I said, Lindsey, could you maybe
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  Speaker 4: mention the website jdvance dot com. And over a four
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  Speaker 4: minute interview he must have mentioned jdvance dot com close
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  Speaker 4: to a dozen times.
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  Speaker 5: The host would ask how is the weather.
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  Speaker 4: And Lindsay would say, well, before I check the weather,
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  Speaker 4: I always go to jdfans dot com. And in a
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  Speaker 4: four or five minute TV appearance, Lindsey Graham raised us
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  Speaker 4: over one hundred thousand dollars and that campaign.
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  Speaker 5: Stop was a critical part of.
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  Speaker 4: Me getting elected to the United States Senate and of
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  Speaker 4: course going on this incredible journey. That was who Lindsey
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  Speaker 4: Graham was.
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  Speaker 1: Graham could sell. He followed the lunch roule there seven times.
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  Speaker 1: If you want someone to remember something, I want you
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  Speaker 1: today for the repose of the soul of Lindsay Graham.
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  Speaker 1: Eternal rest grant unto him Alord, and may perpetual light
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  Speaker 1: shine upon him. May he rest in peace. Amen. No
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  Speaker 1: rec now, welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Michael
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  Speaker 1: Duncan is one of the quartet on the Ruthless podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to it today. Michael. I laughed during the
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  Speaker 1: Ron Johnson interview about uh, doctor Fauci. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to begin by asking you about Lindsey Graham. Did you
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to work with him at all.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I saw him frequently in green rooms around around Fox
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  Speaker 8: and we always had a great time.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 8: He was always such a happy warrior. Nobody enjoyed his
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  Speaker 8: job more than Lindsey. And the last time I saw
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  Speaker 8: him funny story, Hugh, last time I saw him in
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  Speaker 8: the Fox News green room, he had a little bit
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  Speaker 8: of time to kill was, you know, slow day on
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  Speaker 8: the weekend, and we just sat there and he showed
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  Speaker 8: me all of the latest memes he had on his
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  Speaker 8: phone and we just kind of went meme by meme,
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  Speaker 8: chuck ln at him and everything. You know, I like
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  Speaker 8: to say, like a seven year old showing you his
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  Speaker 8: baseball cards, and he was just cracking up, telling good
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  Speaker 8: jokes and stuff. And that's just sort of the way
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  Speaker 8: Lindsay was. He didn't take himself too seriously, but he
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  Speaker 8: was very committed to the conservative movement and trying to
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  Speaker 8: move the ball forward every single day and get things
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  Speaker 8: actually done. And that's what I appreciated about the guy.
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  Speaker 1: He is also very committed to a very strong America.
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  Speaker 1: Well he was never not on this program, but he
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  Speaker 1: was selling American strength and deployment of force abroad and
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  Speaker 1: being sometimes with his old wingman John McCain there together
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  Speaker 1: again or sometimes solo after Senator McCain died, but they
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  Speaker 1: were together. They and I've been doing the show for
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven years. The funniest moment ever was with Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Graham and John McCain on this program. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: did he do a ride along with the Ruthless Fellows ever?
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  Speaker 1: Did you get that chance?
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  Speaker 8: No, we never got him for a full ride along,
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  Speaker 8: which would have been epic. You know, the guy was
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  Speaker 8: a jokester, very funny, and you know, if you talk
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  Speaker 8: about politics every day, Hugh, you know this, it's like
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  Speaker 8: if you don't laugh, You're gonna cry. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 8: because there's some depressing stuff in the job. And so
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  Speaker 8: you know, you got to have that cheery mindset if
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  Speaker 8: you're gonna make a career of it. And Lindsey did,
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  Speaker 8: and he did it well.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't take yourself seriously. And the joke that
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  Speaker 1: President Trump's told I have the audio of this is
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  Speaker 1: that he gave out Lindsey's phone number during the campaign
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  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen to get back at him for harsh words,
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  Speaker 1: and Lindsey, the president said, I got He got it
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  Speaker 1: back at me. He didn't stop calling me for ten years.
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  Speaker 1: He was relentless, but he couldn't keep an enemy if
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  Speaker 1: he tried. He might still be mad at people over Kavanaugh,
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  Speaker 1: but that would be the only thing. You think I'm
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  Speaker 1: right about that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Hugh. I think what Lindsey Graham understood is,
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  Speaker 8: you know, you lose that presidential primary, donald Trump becomes president,
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  Speaker 8: you got two choices. You can take your ball and
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  Speaker 8: go home and have sour grapes about the whole thing,
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  Speaker 8: or you can work to advance the agenda you care
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  Speaker 8: about by becoming friends with the guy, going over and
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  Speaker 8: having dinner at the White House, getting to know him,
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  Speaker 8: being an ever constant presence, so you can bend his
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  Speaker 8: ear about things you care about. And that's what he
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  Speaker 8: understood about the job. You can be a United States Senator,
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  Speaker 8: but you got to check your ego at the door
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  Speaker 8: when you're dealing with the President of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's switch over to doctor Fauci, which
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  Speaker 1: is sort of a tragedy. I like doctor Fauci a
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  Speaker 1: lot and was a big proponent still am of getting vaccinated,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you're older. Don't get back tonated if you're young.
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  Speaker 1: And I got the boosters. And he was on this
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  Speaker 1: program at least three times, and Michael, the first time,
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  Speaker 1: I was just asking a lot of questions with appreciative
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  Speaker 1: of his public service. Second time, after about a year,
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering about gain a function. Third time I
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  Speaker 1: asked him to quit, and he got mad at me,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't do well in the diary.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame him. I blame the American media for
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  Speaker 1: making him a superstar, an American idol.
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  Speaker 8: And what do you think, Yeah, I think the media
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  Speaker 8: gave him this unearned air of superiority, which if you
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  Speaker 8: read parts of that diary. You know, he's a pretty
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  Speaker 8: conceited guy. I think has a very high opinion of himself.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, whether you're an infectious disease expert or
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  Speaker 8: a doctor or just your average American, we were all
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  Speaker 8: learning during COVID at that time, so a little bit
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  Speaker 8: of humility would have gone a long way. But unfortunately
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  Speaker 8: the media was there to prop him up all the
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  Speaker 8: way along and make it so you could never question
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  Speaker 8: any of his recommendations. And we have found out all
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  Speaker 8: these years later a lot of those were sort of
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  Speaker 8: just pulled out of thin air. And so you know,
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  Speaker 8: I think there's a deep scar in the American psyche
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  Speaker 8: still from COVID because they were telling us to trust
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  Speaker 8: the science, and then you find out all this time
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  Speaker 8: later that they weren't so sure of the science there
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  Speaker 8: for a long time and still aren't.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where we're going to leave it for now.
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  Speaker 1: I've written a column about it and it'll come out
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  Speaker 1: in a bit. Let me turn over to you and
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  Speaker 1: President Trump. Last time the President was on a week
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  Speaker 1: and a half ago, I promoted that he do a
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  Speaker 1: ride along with the Ruthless Podcast. Now, of course that
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  Speaker 1: means you'd have to go to the White House. I
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  Speaker 1: assume you'd be willing to do that, right, Michael.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely absolutely. It would be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, like we like to have fun on the
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  Speaker 8: Ruthless Variety program because you know, like I was saying earlier,
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  Speaker 8: if you don't laugh, you're gonna cry. And the President
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  Speaker 8: is just a famous joke teller, So you know, I
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  Speaker 8: caught that speech he gave for the rescheduled White House
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  Speaker 8: Correspondence dinner. Great jokes in there. I mean, I would
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  Speaker 8: love to do do it on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the Barry Weiss joke is legendary, and I think
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  Speaker 1: misdirection is the essence of comedy, and he did that.
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  Speaker 1: But I began to think after I suggested it to him,
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  Speaker 1: because he did Tony Dakopple after I suggested that. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping Carolyn Levit's gonna call and say bring the
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  Speaker 1: gear over. You're gonna have to go longer than you
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  Speaker 1: normally do. Michael, That's all I'm just My caution is
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  Speaker 1: that would be an epic episode. Right. How long is
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  Speaker 1: the longest Ruthless podcast?
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  Speaker 8: Close to two hours? I think maybe we could get
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  Speaker 8: four questions in.
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  Speaker 1: You could and if you make one of them about
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  Speaker 1: his golf game, it'll be three questions. But your game. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Ron Johnson fabulous guest. He's another normal guy. Now. I've
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  Speaker 1: butted heads with him on the air. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 1: had some real roundabouts on the air because we disagree.
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  Speaker 1: But he's another guy who doesn't carry a grudge as
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  Speaker 1: far as I can tell.
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  Speaker 8: No, he doesn't. In fact, when we went to Milwaukee
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  Speaker 8: to cover the first presidential primary debate, we actually had
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  Speaker 8: a chugging contest live on stage today and I beat
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  Speaker 8: him and he doesn't hold it against me.
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  Speaker 9: You know what was the reference Ashbrook?
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  Speaker 1: Did Ashbrook not hold his beer? Well, my nickname in
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  Speaker 1: college was two Gang Commando. I don't drink. I'm terrible
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  Speaker 1: with alcohol. But what did Ashbrook do in that episode?
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: I don't think he was involved in the chug off.
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: It was just me and Ron Johnson and and and
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: Ron john goes right after I beat him, he goes,
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: you've embarrassed me in front of my constituents. And I
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: kind of felt bad about that, but he was He
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: was a good sport about the whole thing. And you
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: know that's what I love about Ron john is he
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: really does have that Midwest common sense with everything with
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: the Fauci stuff, and and I really appreciate that about that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: How many senators have nicknames like Ron John.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: Oh, gosh, probably half half the conference at this point, and.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know any of it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: I know Ron John Oh.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I've got my own nickname for Senator Paul, which I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: won't say. But everyone's got nicknames, and it depends on
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: whether or not they're they're public. Michael A very quick.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I got Victor David Hanson coming up later. I'm going
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to ask him about the DSA. I'm beginning to get
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: alarmed by this. I think they're a malignancy in the country.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Is that the rule around Ruthless podcast?
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: Absolutely?
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: And you know, I mean, they're winning a lot of
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: safe blue districts, Hugh, But you know that means they're
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: going to be heading to Washington for the next Congress,
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: and if there is a small majority that the Democrats hold,
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: they're gonna be able to hold the entire agenda hostage.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: And Hakeem Jefferies is going to have to placate these
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: people for everything from abolished ice to abolish prisons.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And border They're a malignancy and I think we should
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: start warning people. Doug and good to see you. Ruthless Podcast. Friends,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like and subscribe. Listen to today's episode with Ron Johnson.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Come right back to the hug Dealership.
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: Well, I don't need BB to tell me that. BB's
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: telling me that because he wants me to stay involved.
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't necessarily. We have the finest because
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: of space forts, we have the greatest cameras in the
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: world focused on We know exactly what's going on, But
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: no I heard BB announced that. I said, why didn't
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: you just tell them to me? Why do you have
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: to announce it to the world. I know exactly what's
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: going on at Pickaxe. It's not a big problem. We
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: took out their nuclear sites and we'll have to take
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: out Pickaxe. If we don't make a deal. We don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: make it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: They got pick Axe if they make a deal and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't include inspections of pick Axe. I'm Hugh Hewitt,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: joined by Matt Continetti, author of a twice weekly column
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in The Wall Street Journal, Senior Domestic Affairs POUBA at
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute. I don't introduce you with as much
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: flourish as John pod Hortz does mat on Thursdays on
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the commentary podcast, but I do try and get that
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in your most recent column is entitled Iran's regime is
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the problem subtitle that President Trump wants to win this war,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: he must deliver crippling blows to the Islamic Republic's government.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: We agree. I'm going to talk about that with VDH
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: later in the program. Why do you believe that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Well, Hugh, I believe it because right now we're in
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: this low intensity conflict with Iran, and I think the
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: low intensity conflict is fine for the IRGC running the
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: Islamic Revolutionary regime, and that means that they're going to
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: use this opportunity to slowly rebuild, restock, They're going to
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: use it to try to tighten their control of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: Strait of Hormuz. They're going to use it to oppress
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: their own people. And the goals of Operation Epic Fury,
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: while largely achieved, have still not been fully met, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: they include not only securing the remainder of the nuclear dust,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: but reopening the Strait of Hormuz to the free flow
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: of commercial traffic and ending Iran's ability to project power
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: in the region. So in order to achieve those goals.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: I do think it's necessary for President Trump to resume
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: major combat operations for a time to cripple the Iranian
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: government to the point where they are in case bowl
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: of harassing, travel, harassing the region, and their people have
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: the opportunity to come out and take Iran back from
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: the Molas that have ruled since nineteen seventy nine.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Now, the price of oil today spot price West Texas
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: is seventy eight dollars a barrel, and that's without any
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Iranian oil in the marketplace. Why don't we blow up
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: their ability to sell oil? I've been talking about. We
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: don't have to occupy Carge Island, we don't have to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: put troops on a substantial disadvantage VSV trips on the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: ground at high elevation from Iran. But we can destroy
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: their ability to produce oil for years and it's not
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: going to hurt the market that much.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: Well, we saw a little bit of that in the
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: thirteen days of retaliatory strikes between the US and Iran
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: last week, where we did hit a refining facility in
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: that gas refinery, and there are other targets like that
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: that would really cripple the Islamic Republics economic engine. Now,
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: the good news is that President Trump has reinstated the
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: blockade of Iranian ports and he has reimposed the sanctions
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: that were lifted, and that will economically damage the regime.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: It's just that it's going to take a long time,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: and in that time, I think it's an inevitability that
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: some elements of the IRGC, the terrorists running around right now,
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: they're going to lash out and they're going to do
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: the same thing that they've done throughout this phony ceasefire
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: since April, where they'll target our bases, they'll target our
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: golf allies, they'll target commercial traffic. You see them directing
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: their proxies the hoot these now to harass commercial traffic
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: in the Red Sea as opposed to the Persian Gulf.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: It's the same pattern of behavior we've seen from this
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: regime for decades, and that's why I think if President
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: Trump wants the behavior to stop, he is going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: have to go up the escalatory ladder.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put this question to Victor Davis Hansen,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: historian among historians later. I now think President Trump's legacy
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in place in history is bound up with the Iran war.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't until it began, but now it is. Do
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you share that opinion?
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: I do. I mean President Trump has staked his presidency
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: on his long term goal of denying Iran a nuclear weapon,
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: and well, I think it's it's clear that the Iranian
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: nuclear program is for all intents and purposes moribund, buried underground.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: Israel of course took out a lot of the scientists,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: a lot of the human capital behind the program. Again,
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: their economic costs to the regime have been immense. It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: still not completely done. The job has not completely done,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: and so President Trump is going to have to figure
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: it a way to resolve this conflict in a way
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: that ELTs in an American victory. Right now, Hugh, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: think he's choosing to manage the conflict in order to
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: minimize the cost, the economic cost, the human cost, not
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: just the human cost to Americans. It's clear from those
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: clips a Fox and Friends, he's also concerned about the
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: human cost for the Iranian population, and of course the
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: economic costs as well, the costs of munitions. He's trying
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: to manage it. The problem there is the more he
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: manages it, the longer it's going to go on and
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: the greater space it offers the Iranians to continue their
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: malign behavior.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He also frustrates. He doesn't frustrate me, but I can
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: tell some of your colleagues on the commentary podcast he
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't frustrate you either. Are frustrated by his lack of clarity.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: But this is his lifelong pattern, right. I don't know
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that we should expect anything except confusion, confuse the enemy,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and I think he's doing a marvelous job of that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was candid with Netnyahu today. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's meeting with Lensky, do you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: He did meet with Zelenski as well as Netanyahu this morning.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: They had back to back meetings, and I think both
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: meetings went relatively well. From all the readouts we're seeing
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: appear in the press, I think Trump is clear. He's
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: clear on two points, Hugh. The first one, as I've said,
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: is he does not he will not allow Ron to
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: obtain a nuclear weapon. That's certain. Of course, he won't
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: always be president, and so he needs to find a
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: way to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon for
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: sure by the time he leaves office. And I think
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: the second thing that he's been clear on is that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: He he doesn't he prefers negotiations to war, and we've
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: seen that, you know, throughout his two terms in office,
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: and since the April seventh ceasefire was announced, it's clear
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: that Trump would prefer a diplomatic solution to this conflict
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: that achieves his with regard to the nuclear program and
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: the strait of her moves, and doesn't result in an
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: escalation or a return to full scale combat.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: My concern is that the Iranians seem to have no
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: desire whatsoever for a diplomatic solution.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I don't think we could trust anyone there saying
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that they do. I'm going to talk with Matt during
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the break and come back on the other side with him.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, America. We're gonna find out if you've
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: seen the audisty yet during the break, so you have
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to listen to the podcast to find out that. I'm
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett Matt.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm back with Matt Continetti. He's in a revamped AI
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: room and I like the new sort of diner look
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that they've got going there. Matt, and and the pictures
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: were you behind the redesign of the AI.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: I just changed you know, Hugh, I did it for you.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: I just changed the angle of the of the shot
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: to include some of my heroes behind me here that
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: have always been in the studio. And so yes, I'm
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: glad that you appreciate it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: If you could get it to blink like an all
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: night diner, that would even be better.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: But I yeah, a neon, Yes, the neon would be good.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Have you seen The Odyssey yet?
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Oh, Hugh, I'm such a bad pundit. Mark Davis asked
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: me this on Friday. I said, no, I heard it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Of course I did not see it over the weekend.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: I was too busy taking my kids to a water park.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: I need to turn in my pundit license.
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I got to play for you. Russell Crowe in a
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: paparazzi interview to get your reaction to this, Russell Crowe
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: asked by a reporter about movies that young men should
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: see that he has made cut number fourteen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: That's kind of a very serious question, said he would
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: probably take me a month to write a dissertation.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I will teach him about Hanna and.
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: The importance of Familia Mastrum Commando will teach him about
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: loyalty and fielty.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: You know, there are a few.
• 28:54
  Speaker 13: Movies in the things that I've done which can have
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: a connection to a young man. I thought I would
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: say that those two are important, but it's also a
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: few called cinderelement, which is about somebody who's facing for
• 29:10
  Speaker 13: the worst kind of situation you know, means a thought
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: and he still goes forward.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty good trio, Matt contenetty, what do you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: think of that?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Answer?
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Well, I had seen that clip and I thought it
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: was an excellent one. First, you know, if Russell Crowe
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: could write a dissertation in a month, he would put
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: generations of graduate students to shame, and I have no
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: doubt that he could do it. And secondly, yes, those
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: are just great, great films Gladiator and Mastering Commander in
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: particular or two of my favorite, and I think do
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: appeal to young men in particular who need, you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: an education in some of kind of the classic canons
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: of masculine behavior and heroism. So good for Russell Crowe
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and what we should.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: All Watchiavelli would call there two I'm coming right back
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: with Matt Cottenetty, don't go anywhere, America, Stay tucked, Welcome
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: back America. Time for the Fauci question for Matt Contney. Matt,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I'm in the Fauci Diaries because I gave him a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: pretty hard time in the last time I interviewed him.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: He got mad at me and then he went full TDS.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It's a very sad arc, the Fauci arc. What do
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you make of it?
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: Well, sad as one word for it. The damage caused,
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: I think by Fauci's prevarications and double talk that we
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: see in these diaries was immense, catastrophic indeed, And you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: I feel, for one that I was lied to, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: like many people who were looking for some sort of
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: guidance at the outset of the pandemic in twenty twenty,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: I had no reason not to trust doctor Fauci. Now
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: I sorely regret that. Of course, I became skeptical of him,
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: you know, about mid year twenty twenty, as I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: most people did. But the fact is he was he
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: was lying. He was lying about a lot of things,
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: and I think it's a service that Senator Paul has
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: done in order to bring these lies to light.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Now, one I'm always tempted to blame the media for everything,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So check me if you disagree. But I kind of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: blame the media for putting him on the pedestal, And
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: there are lots of media people in the diaries fatting him.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Do you think we'll make that mistake again about a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: government bureaucrat, no matter how winsome their public persona is.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: Well, we're talking about the media here, and you don't
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: need to have a winsome persona to become the subject
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: of liberal media adoration. Just look at Zoron Mamdani or
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: Graham Platner, both of whom had media accolades, and neither
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: of whom I think have any of the charms such
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: as it was that doctor Fauci had during his limelight.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: I know what you see in these diaries is the
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: way in which the media, expert opinion, and then of
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: course kind of the Democratic Party in political correctness all
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: work together, especially in this case of Fauci admitting to
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: his diary that he didn't believe the idea that the
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: coronavirus emerged from the wet market, and yet very quickly
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: him joining publicly the calls that said it did come
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: from the market, and to think otherwise, or to think
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: that it came from the Wuhan lab virology lab was racist.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: I mean that shut down debate in our country in
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: a crucial time in twenty twenty and for that, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: think we have to remember, and certainly Fauci's reputation needs
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: to take a hard hit.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: We got a minute in the September twenty ninth, twenty
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: twenty one entry that was triggered by me. He is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: full TDS, I mean way out there, TDS. Were you
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: aware of that until these diaries came out.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: Well, I think we got a little bit of a
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: sense of that from some of the public briefings during
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: the last months of the Trump presidency. Weld certainly know
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: that Trump and Fauci disagreed publicly about, for example, the vaccine,
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: how quickly we would get the vaccine because of Operation
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Warp speed, about how long we would have to shut
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: down as a society and an economy. Fauci arguing for
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: a long shutdown, Trump trying to get us back in
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: the open. I think it was clear that he was
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: an opponent of Trump pretty early on. But the TDS, Yes,
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: that's revealed by the diaries for sure.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Brett to the threat to democracy if he wins or
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they will steal it in twenty It's really praised. Matt Contnetty,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Hope to talk to you and Prody.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Follow Matt in the Wall Street Journal for the expressions
• 33:40
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• 33:43
  Speaker 1: our number two of today as your huge show. But
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: right now I've got Bethany Mandel, one of the founders
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of the mom Wars dot substack dot com. I assume
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: she'd been deep into the Fauci diaries. Bethany, what do
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you make of them?
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: I have had to police how much I'm digging, actually
• 34:01
  Speaker 14: because it makes me so angry that I'm triggered. I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: not surprised by it. It is unbelievable. The man is
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: a malignant narcissist. And I used to say that, like
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: it's because of China that COVID and everything that happened,
• 34:18
  Speaker 14: But it was actually just his narcissism that bled into
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: public policy because he really liked talking to Jennifer Garner
• 34:26
  Speaker 14: and doing all these media appearances, and so that's why
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: my children had to wear a piece of cloth on
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: their face for two years.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: When you get to September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: That's the day I interviewed him and asked him to
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: step down, and he says he uses I was triggered
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: by the fact that tens of millions of people hate me,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and then he went into full TDS mode. So these
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: diary A don't keep a diary if you're a public
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: official and you don't want it to become public. I mean,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: do you keep a diary? Bey thing. I have a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: log that says how far I ran and if I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: went to a movie, but that's about it. How about you.
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: It's so funny because with all of the controversy that
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: happened with my friend Lindsay Fifield with Graham Plattner, she
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: was able to nail him because she kept such detailed, personal,
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: handwritten diaries. And I was teasing her, Lindsay, you're the
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: only person in America in the year twenty twenty who
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: was keeping a diary. And now I have to may
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: a call for Lindsay and be like, apparently it's you
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: and Anthony fauci Well.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who want
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to know where they were. I've got thirty years of
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: these things the Jim Fix Runners diary, and it just
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: as a it's a mileage chart. But I also mentioned
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: if we go to dinner, or I've got visitors or
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: anything like that. But this is like a June. Did
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you keep a diary in junior high? I kind of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: associated with junior high girls?
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: Yes, No, I mean and the contents of it too,
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: because the cool girls were letting him sit at his
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: table for years. He was thrilled by it. So if
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: he's ever going to keep a diary, it's guess, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: guess when he gets to talk to you know, Fallon
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: and Jennifer Garner, he's really pumped about it. But what
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: was really interesting, I think was how much he directed
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: the media coverage, and that was that was pretty terrifying.
• 36:12
  Speaker 14: The degree to which media officials, who are supposed to
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: be arbiters of truth, and you know, democracy dies in darkness.
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: It turns out like democracy can be coverage can be
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: negotiated over a really nice dinner.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Well do you think that we're going to we are
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: now immunized against doing this again with a public health official.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: There's a good side of that and there's a bad
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: side of that. Let's talk about the good side of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that first, because I don't think we're going to elevate
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: anyone to say to it again because.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: Of this, I don't think so.
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: I think what we learned in COVID is that there's
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: no limiting principle here. Anything can happen, and anything will
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: happen again. The amount that we learned that the Emperor
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: has no clothes is not just a story from the past,
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: but like we lived it, we watched it, and I
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: will never ever be unread pilled after COVID, what would
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: we do again?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: What we need is to institutionalize the concept of the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Red Team, which was current throughout the Soviet years, when
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies whatever they thought, they'd bring in a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: group of other experts to be the Red Team and
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: challenge every assumption. I don't think we had a Red Team.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was a Red Team.
• 37:33
  Speaker 14: Do you no, No? And they bullied them into silence,
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: and they kicked them off social media. When Secretary Kennedy
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: was talking about all this stuff, he said how he
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: lost his Instagram account because he said things that were true,
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: that the vaccine wasn't preventing transmission. And you know the
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: number of times that we were bullied. You and I
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: personally were bullied by saying plain truths out loud. The
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: the cancelation police were insane. And it's not just like
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: the public shaming that happened, which was significant, but it
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: was also the private shaming. I don't know about you,
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: but like we had family members who never let us
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: see elderly family members ever again over COVID. They and
• 38:15
  Speaker 14: they died and we didn't get to see them again,
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: Like oh there was oh, no social consequences.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: People lost their mind and a lot of people have
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: still lost their minds. I am not going to condemn
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: everyone who wears a mask everywhere, because some people have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: an immunite compromised system. But I always kind of am
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: startled when someone shows up in a mask. Now, are you.
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: What bothers me honestly in the year twenty twenty six
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: is seeing people. And this I will put squarely on
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: Anthony Fauci seeing people in a cloth mask, because that
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: tells me that they're not well mentally or physically. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: Anthony Fauci lied and said that a bandana on your
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: face was protective, and he knew full well. And we
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: have these diary entries that prove it now that it
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: was not protective. He put people's lives at risk on
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: a virus that he sold to the American people as
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: the most deadly pandemic in modern history. And he was
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: selling people on protective gear that was not protective, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: that is in I can't even talk like it's unforgivable.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Now. The good news is that Anthony fauci is joined.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: These diaries has driven me to CHETCHPT, which I've never
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: used before. But I'm overwhelmed by how much is in
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the diaries and how many interviews I did and what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: he said about him. So I'm trying to do and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I just asked chet CHPT to do an analysis of this.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: What are the big takeaways, Bethany from these diaries? What
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: are you going to write about them?
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: I mean, they really expose the fact that he was
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: lying in real time. What I want to see from
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: these diaries, to be quite honest, is like, what's the
• 39:53
  Speaker 14: next step. I applaud Rand Paul for bringing this on
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: and for not letting this go because it's years later,
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: no one's talking about COVID anymore. This was, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: not necessarily an exciting thing for him to take on
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: and I really, really am so grateful that he chose
• 40:08
  Speaker 14: to do so. He was Fauci was pardoned by the
• 40:12
  Speaker 14: auto pen by a man who was not in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: words of my mother, he was a few fries short
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: of a happy meal when the auto pen was utilized
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: to give him a pardon. And so I'd like to
• 40:24
  Speaker 14: see you know how valid is that?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Is that pardon pardon valid? That's my cun law hat on. However,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: he should go through six or seven hours of the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment routine because he's going to have to take
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment again and again and again and again.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Because if I was his lawyer, I'd say, look, you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to break one thousand and one False Statements
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Act under oath before the Senate and they've gotcha on
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the diary entries don't say a word. So how long
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: do you think it's useful to put him through that?
• 40:59
  Speaker 14: I mean, let's go. I put on a diaper and
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: let the hearing go as long as you want. I'm
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: here for it, all right.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I want to quickly get a question in. We've got
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: BB and the Oval, Zolensky and the Oval. Are you
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: optimistic about the president resuming full combat operations.
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: I mean, I don't know if I want him to
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: resume full combat operations. I was a little unnerved by
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: statements that he made on Fox and Friends this morning.
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: Seemed like there was some conflict between the President and
• 41:29
  Speaker 14: the Prime minister. That's not something you want to hear
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: from allies who are conducting military operations together. And so
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: I hope everyone, you know, played nice and shared in
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: the sandbox, because that level of resentment that I was
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: hearing in the President's voice made me nervous.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Hey, Bethany, I don't think the Iranians are our listening.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you this. I think Trump
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and Nett and you know who have this act down
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: pretty well. I really do hope. So headfake time. We'll
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: see Bethany Mandel. Follow her on exit. Bethany Shandark read
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Themomwards dot substack dot com. Thank you, Bethany. I'll be
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: right back to America. Stay sick, we go back to America.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I'm he joined by Byron York, chief political correspondent for
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: The Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor. Byron, you are the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: perfect person to answer this because you've been working decades
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: inside the belt Why You've covered Lindsey Graham and you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: covered Anthony Fauci. How would you compare and contrast their
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: views of the media and the power that media had
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: over them or they had over the media.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: What a great question that is. Well, first of all,
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: you know, Graham did sort of live by the media
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: in many ways, and it was kind of this kind
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: of this horrible little footnote to his death that he
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: was feeling bad and someone suggested that he should go
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: see a doctor, and he said, you would do it
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: in the morning after meet the press. So, you know,
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: bad idea. But Graham, basically he had things that he
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: wanted to accomplish. He wanted the United States to go
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: to war in Iran, and he used his media perch
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: to make the case for that over and over.
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: Noresa.
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: Now maybe you disagree, maybe you agree that he used
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: it for a policy goal. And what we saw with
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: Sauchi in these diaries is just this hunger for celebrity.
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: When you know, there's one place where he describes himself
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: as a rock star, and you know, rock stars around
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: the world was saying, no, you're not a rock star.
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: But his hunger for celebrity was just unbelievable. His desire
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: to hang out with media people was obviously very strong,
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: and it wasn't based in telling the truth. It was
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: based during the COVID years, in advancing a narrative and
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: not actually telling the truth.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: That's well put. I'm going to make another comment. Get
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: your reaction to it. Lindsey Graham could be very self deprecating,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, very self deprecating and very funny, and he
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: took wicked shots at reporters and he didn't care if
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: they came back at him. Didn't see that in Anthony Fauci,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you agree?
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: I agree. These these diaries you know, are pretty darned extensive,
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: many many pages of them, and you don't see that.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Then, the last thing I'm going to bring up Lindsey
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and Donald Trump. I did the debate. You covered the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: debates in twenty fifteen sixteen. Yeah, they mixed it up.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I mean they went at each other tooth and nail,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and at the end, Lindsay became the President's friend. He
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: didn't get infected with TDS. If you look in in
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the Fauci diaries the day of my last interview with him,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: where I suggested he stepped down and gave him some
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: good arguments why he was mad at me or disagree
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: with me, But then he went in a full blown
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: TDS about the president being a threat to democracy. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: think he was completely infected with TDS.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: I mean the specter of Trump derangement syndrome hung over
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: the entire COVID crisis. I mean it really did. Not
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: only that, you know, the President was actually talking a
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: lot and being a part of the whole thing, but
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: there was this belief that if the White House said anything,
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: even if the Health Agency said anything, it couldn't be
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: true because it was coming from Trump. Now, Graham had
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: as a politician what I think is a very healthy
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: point of view, which is you're campaigning against somebody, you're
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: being very critical of somebody, and then the voters overwhelmingly
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: decide on them and not on you, and then that
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: kind of turns your head around. I mean, when South
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: Carolina went so strongly, I think that turned Lindsey Graham's
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: head around. And that's in a good way. That's how
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: it's supposed to work. That they make their cases to
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: the voters and then the voters decide and they abide
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: by it.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Trust the people. Winston Churchill and I think Lindsey Graham
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: did I want to go to the hearing that's coming
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: up between that Senator Paul will share with doctor Fauci.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: If I'm doctor Fauci's counsel, I advise him to take
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment A thousand times?
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Do you agree?
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: I have a worry about this hearing, And the worry
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: is the evidence is just incredible. There's an enormous pile
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: of evidents incriminating against Fauci. But it's a congressional hearing.
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: You have wallmakers who want to make speeches, you have
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: lawmakers who want to project outrage, you have wallmakers who
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: just want to hug the camera, and meanwhile Fauci sits
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: there unmolested. And we've seen this so many times in
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: which there should have been a much more effective case
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: made against the witness than there was. I'm hoping this
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: this hearing is not an example of that, but it's
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: a prime candidate for that, because there will be lawmakers
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: who want to be seen by the folks back home
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: as just giving hell to doctor Fauci, as opposed to
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: just going through all of the incriminating stuff in the.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Diaries Yeah, they'll each get five or ten minutes, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they could just divide up the diary and read an
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: entry to him and ask him to comment, and he's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: going to say, on the advice of my counsel, I
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: am going to invoke the Fifth Amendment. It'll be boring,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: but they'll get their clips. Just is there a risk
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: of turning him into a figure of sympathy.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: Well, if they just yell at him too much, there's
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: that possibility. But if the Fifth Amendment scenario happens as
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: you were suggesting, I mean, that's terribly incriminating, and then
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: you would see why Elijah Biden gave him a part.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's got a pardon, and I would worry
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that the gain of function stuff is serious stuff. He
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: lied about that repeatedly to people, and if he lies
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: about it to Congress, that's a one thousand and one felony.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: So I don't I think he'll be disciplined. Do you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: doubt that?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: No?
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: I don't doubt that he will be disciplined and realize
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: that there is legal peril. I mean, the whole point
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: of Barden was that there was legal peril. And you
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: know a lot of people in the media just portrayed
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: it as Trump retribution.
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: But there is.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: I mean, this was serious stuff that he was doing
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: during the pandemic.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I just wonder last question, environ, do you think if
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: we have another public health crisis, will avoid making anyone
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: a superstar or at least make sure we have a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: red team attached to whoever is a rotative voice.
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: Boy, I wish I could be confident of that, but
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: I'm absolutely not sure. I'm you know, I think that
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: we you know, we learned a lot of terrible lessons
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: in COVID, mainly that we really couldn't trust a lot
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: of the scientific expertise that was being presented to us.
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: And two we learned that many people in our government
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: and communications and cultural leading figures, many people had a
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: real authoritarian streak. And those were terrible lessons to learn,
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: and I think they're going to be remembered the next
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: time there is a crisis.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I hope for a long time. I hope for a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: very long time the diaries may in fact have that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: excellent fact Byron York always got to talk to you
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: follow Byron on exit Byron York for I mean, the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: next segment of Today's.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: Hugh Hewett Yef.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewlett. Welcome. For those of you watching on
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the sale News channel, you recognize our White House correspondent
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson. He outside of the National Cathedral where he's
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: been covering the afternoon. Very sad afternoon in DC. Willie,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: how was it talking and meeting with the people who
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: were going in and when they were coming out memorializing
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Senator Graham.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: That's right, good afternoon to you, Hugh.
• 50:15
  Speaker 15: A sad day here in Washington, DC, as well as
• 50:19
  Speaker 15: weather that kind of matches the vibe very kind of
• 50:22
  Speaker 15: somber with a little bit of win to it. But yes,
• 50:25
  Speaker 15: I've been spending the day covering the services of the
• 50:28
  Speaker 15: late Senator Lindsay Graham. I started off by going to
• 50:32
  Speaker 15: the Capital where I witnessed his transfer into the memorials.
• 50:38
  Speaker 15: That's what you're seeing on the screen right now. It
• 50:41
  Speaker 15: was a beautiful service. Like I said, the mood, the
• 50:45
  Speaker 15: vibe was very somber, Lots of people who showed up
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: to pay their pay their respects. I then went over
• 50:53
  Speaker 15: to actually very quickly the White House where the President,
• 50:57
  Speaker 15: excuse me, the Prime Minister.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Of Israel was there because.
• 51:01
  Speaker 15: He came to attend the funeral of the late senator,
• 51:05
  Speaker 15: and I mean to be honest you, I've never seen
• 51:08
  Speaker 15: the White House be so packed right there, and they
• 51:11
  Speaker 15: had security on high alert too. I actually got stuck
• 51:14
  Speaker 15: at the White House for about twenty minutes before I
• 51:17
  Speaker 15: could head over here to the cathedral, which is where
• 51:20
  Speaker 15: I'm standing in front of right now. And it's been
• 51:23
  Speaker 15: an eventful day, a very beautiful service. President Trump spoke
• 51:31
  Speaker 15: as well as Sean Hannity, Salem's own Tony Perkins, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 15: lots of you know, high level people in attendance, such
• 51:39
  Speaker 15: as the Vice President, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the Prime Minister
• 51:43
  Speaker 15: of Israel, Benjamin Danyahu, the President of Ukraine Zelenski.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: Just to name a few.
• 51:50
  Speaker 15: After the funeral ended, I actually had the chance to
• 51:55
  Speaker 15: speak to some people who were inside and shared, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 15: they shared why they came out here and how they
• 52:02
  Speaker 15: ended up here, and I thought they had some nice
• 52:04
  Speaker 15: things to say.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: So we want to go ahead and toss to that clip.
• 52:07
  Speaker 15: Now you were inside the funeral, tell me how the
• 52:10
  Speaker 15: funeral was.
• 52:11
  Speaker 16: It was absolutely incredible, very very moving. A lot of
• 52:16
  Speaker 16: different speakers that spoke, and everyone had a little bit
• 52:20
  Speaker 16: different point of view of their life and experiences with
• 52:24
  Speaker 16: Lindsey Graham, but extremely moving. It was a long service,
• 52:29
  Speaker 16: but it didn't seem long at all because of I
• 52:34
  Speaker 16: think time flew by fast, because of all of us
• 52:39
  Speaker 16: thinking about Lindsey Graham and what he meant to us
• 52:42
  Speaker 16: and the times we had spent with him.
• 52:44
  Speaker 15: And real quick, how did you end up here today?
• 52:47
  Speaker 16: We were invited by the Graham family and by their
• 52:51
  Speaker 16: staff to be here. Lindsey Graham had helped our family
• 52:55
  Speaker 16: out years ago and we had a very severe need.
• 53:00
  Speaker 16: My brother had actually had a sudden heart attack when
• 53:03
  Speaker 16: he was out of the country, and the UH and
• 53:07
  Speaker 16: Lindsey Graham stepped forward and was able to help us
• 53:10
  Speaker 16: get his body back to the United States, and so.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: We were very very grateful for that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Obviously, that's a great piece of interviewing UH. Willie. I'm curious.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you told me about the weather. I
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: forgot to ask anyone because I was worried a July
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: day in d C with that many people standing around,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: because security going into the cathedral must have been like
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it was for the Cheney Memorial service. It goes on
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: forever and they stand around, but it's not it's not broiling.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: You're not melting, you know.
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: Earlier today it was I was.
• 53:44
  Speaker 15: I was kind of melting, to be honest, and and
• 53:46
  Speaker 15: my student may have got a lot of sweating it. However,
• 53:49
  Speaker 15: it's kind of cooled down a little bit now. You know,
• 53:52
  Speaker 15: I'm standing outside and it's it's it's pretty comfortable.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: So you know, DC weather is interesting.
• 53:58
  Speaker 15: I might I've only lived here for two months now,
• 54:01
  Speaker 15: but it can kind of fluctuate throughout the day.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's called a swamp for a reason. Let me
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: play a couple of questions you grabbed from people paid
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: their respect up on the hill. I saw him earlier
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and I liked them cut be our young lady.
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: I believe that Senator Graham is a true patriot.
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:21
  Speaker 17: He has spent most of his life in serving this country,
• 54:26
  Speaker 17: from being an air Force and being a Senator, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 17: he is one of those great senators that didn't enrich himself.
• 54:35
  Speaker 17: One of the best things that I've seen him was
• 54:39
  Speaker 17: when he fought for Justice Covenant. You know, we wouldn't
• 54:42
  Speaker 17: have him as a justice if he didn't fought for him.
• 54:47
  Speaker 17: And also his support for Israel.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Willie, you mentioned that Justice Kavanaugh was in attendance.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Did you get a lot of Is that the memorable moment?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: You've got a lot of people recalling.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 55:00
  Speaker 15: I talked to four different people outside of the Capitol
• 55:03
  Speaker 15: today and that was the motif. Everyone was remarking about
• 55:08
  Speaker 15: what Senator Graham did for Justice Kavanaugh. I mean, this
• 55:12
  Speaker 15: was a guy who really stepped up and you know,
• 55:15
  Speaker 15: put his word on the line to defend his friend,
• 55:18
  Speaker 15: and I think in a really really remarkable way.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: And yeah, there was.
• 55:23
  Speaker 15: Another clip in there where that's exactly what someone remarks on.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: If you want to put that, let.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Me play cut sea and we'll see what this young
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: man has to say.
• 55:32
  Speaker 18: I'm paying respects to Lindsey Graham. He stood where it
• 55:36
  Speaker 18: mattered when it came to the president President Trump's administration
• 55:39
  Speaker 18: and the Supreme Court. Look and see where Lindsay stood
• 55:42
  Speaker 18: when it really counted, when when it really came down
• 55:44
  Speaker 18: to true moral issues. And so we're blessed to have
• 55:47
  Speaker 18: had him, and it's really sad and unfortunate that this
• 55:50
  Speaker 18: had to happen like this so quick.
• 55:52
  Speaker 15: Is there a favorite moment you can think of the
• 55:54
  Speaker 15: late senator that you know made you smile or made
• 55:57
  Speaker 15: you laugh.
• 55:58
  Speaker 18: Yeah, So I went on a little, but I would
• 56:00
  Speaker 18: say as far as Lindsay Graham goes that the Cavina hearing,
• 56:02
  Speaker 18: you know, basically trolling the people that were protesting, is
• 56:06
  Speaker 18: probably a moment of sticks out for a lot of people.
• 56:08
  Speaker 18: So remembering that his love and support for President Trump,
• 56:13
  Speaker 18: his jokes that would go back and forth with the President,
• 56:15
  Speaker 18: and so I just I'm so thankful for him.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: President torched Lindsey Graham in the campaign of twenty sixteen
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: by giving his phone number up Willie, and then he
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: joked today that Lindsey got the last lap because he
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: called him ten thousand tons. I don't think you're going
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: to find even a Democrat is going to stand up
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and say bad things about Lindsey Graham. Did you hear
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: a negative word today?
• 56:39
  Speaker 15: You know, that's funny you bring that up, Hugh. There
• 56:42
  Speaker 15: actually was prior to this or a couple hours ago,
• 56:47
  Speaker 15: and you can go see it on the Salem News
• 56:49
  Speaker 15: Channel Facebook right now. It's on there right now. There
• 56:52
  Speaker 15: wasn't I don't think they were Democrats per se, but
• 56:55
  Speaker 15: there actually was. Unfortunately a bunch of protesters with Palestinian flags,
• 57:01
  Speaker 15: mainly uh vulgar flags, but depicting the Israeli flag. And
• 57:08
  Speaker 15: in fact, when I was on the Scott Jennings Show
• 57:11
  Speaker 15: earlier and I was just talking on air and they
• 57:14
  Speaker 15: would come up to me and were kind of being
• 57:16
  Speaker 15: very hostile and rude, and you know, I'm I'm just
• 57:19
  Speaker 15: trying to do my job out here. But you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 15: we do have a First Amendment, and you know, I
• 57:25
  Speaker 15: don't agree with these protesters. I think it's a vile
• 57:28
  Speaker 15: thing to show up to someone's funeral, you know, the
• 57:32
  Speaker 15: guy I can't even retort. It's not fair in my opinion,
• 57:35
  Speaker 15: but this is the country we live in where people
• 57:37
  Speaker 15: can show up and let.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Their voice be heard.
• 57:42
  Speaker 15: Like I said, I don't think they're they're they're they're
• 57:45
  Speaker 15: not quite the look of a Democrat. It was really,
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: you know, I guess kind of like you know, people
• 57:53
  Speaker 15: from the Middle East is what it looked like.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Democratic ended the funeral of the son of Herb captain
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: was killed in the war, a friend of Chris Hitchens,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and the cult from Cansas showed up. I've never had
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: an urge to run over people, but it kind of
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: crossed my mind because of that sort of feeling. But
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that's the rnom ob how about among the White House
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: press corps. Have you heard a lot of stories about
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Lindsay this week?
• 58:21
  Speaker 15: Among the White House press corps, you know, everyone, believe
• 58:24
  Speaker 15: it or not, has actually been very respectful. And you know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 15: I've only been in Washington, D C. For a couple
• 58:30
  Speaker 15: of months, but the words I have heard about Lindsay
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: Graham since I've been here have all been very nice
• 58:37
  Speaker 15: in terms of when he's been in meetings to go
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: on air and green rooms.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: And such like that.
• 58:43
  Speaker 15: So, you know, as much as the White House press
• 58:46
  Speaker 15: can be constantly negative, you know, as we see after
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: the White House Correspondence dinner and such and how they
• 58:53
  Speaker 15: normally are running around the White House, you know, it
• 58:57
  Speaker 15: seems like it's it's really been a a nice vibe
• 59:01
  Speaker 15: and I've I've only really heard nice things over the
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: last few days.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you've got a great shot of the cathedral.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Can you take a step to your left or I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: guess to your right, because I just want people to see.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I think it took one hundred years to build that thing.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Beautiful tours, What a wonderful honor for Senator Grahat. It's
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: not usually done. I don't really know how often it's done.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I thought you had to be a president or advice.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Oh you've got the program for the proceedings today. That's gorgeous.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: That's correct.
• 59:33
  Speaker 15: Yes, this is the funeral program, very nice looking and like. Yes,
• 59:38
  Speaker 15: as you said, the this is an incredible cathedral. What
• 59:42
  Speaker 15: a place to hold an event. You know, it is
• 59:46
  Speaker 15: seriously remarkable, and it's it's very kind of like almost
• 59:50
  Speaker 15: European like looking.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Right. You know, I just learned that Linda's middle name
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: is Olin. I did not know that until you held
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America, Han Hugh Hewitt. As promised, We're
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: joined by VDH Victor Davis Hanson, professor at the Hoover Institution,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: fellow at Hillsdale College, author of this forthcoming book, The
• 1:02:29
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  Speaker 1: you again, I hope the recovery continues a pace. You
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: feeling better, I am.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 12: I'm slowly two steps ahead, one back, so I feel
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 12: I'm getting better.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. All right, here's the big picture story I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: want to present to you. At the start, in the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, it took a long time for the West
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: United States and Great Britain and France to get an
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: accurate read on Hitler and his ambitions, and Stalin couldn't
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: get a read on him. And then by the time
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: they got to read on him it was nineteen thirty nine.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: It was too late. From nineteen forty six to the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: end of the Cold War, we had a pretty good
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: view of the fact that the USSR and the Warsaw
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Pack and China had combined. China broke off towards the end,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and they had some allies kind of like Yugoslavia was
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: in between, and then there were the non aligne nation.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: But then we took a holiday from history from nineteen
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: eighty nine to two thousand and one, and it's hard
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: to get back a strategic sense of the world. Do
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: you think America now has a good grasp on the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: fact that there's China, Russia, North Korea and Iran. There's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: US and our ally at least Israel in the UAE,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: and we can talk about how worthwhile NATO is now.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: But do you think we've got that back that we
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: understand now it's two or three camps at most.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we're getting there. I think we feel
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 12: that Russia, although it's the largest nuclear arsenal in the world,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 12: is manageable, and the rebound of Ukraine was good news,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 12: and I think that's really affected Donald Trump. He's much
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: more enthusiastic because the Ukrainians seem much more capable with
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 12: their drown and defenses as well of attack. China, for
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: all the hype they have been kicked out of Panama,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 12: they have no client state in Venezuela. The entire southern
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 12: hemisre is becoming conservative again. I think it's something like
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: seventy five percent of the twenty something nations have conservative
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 12: governments or will have elected them, and they don't. Russia
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: and China really don't have client states in the Middle East.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 12: Syria is gone and Iran will probably be gone. I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 12: think as a pawn or proxy for them. China's got
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 12: more problems than I think people realize it's fertility rate
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: is terrible at one point zero aging and shrinking population.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 12: It's big, It's weapons haven't performed well in the Middle East.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 12: It's imports seventy percent of its oil, thirty percent of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: its food. So I don't think it's the dynamo that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: everybody thought it's GDP. You know, it takes one American,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: it takes actually almost four Chinese workers that we could
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: use the entire population as a model to produce sixty
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: percent of what one American produces in terms of GDP.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: So I think we've kind of had it. We're starting
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 12: in a renaissance mode, is what I'm getting at. I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: think the world is starting to see that the United
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: States is the leader in AI space explorations, satellite technology,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 12: genetic engineering, be robotics, cryptocurrency, and it's the most favorable
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 12: climate to invest and to innovate. And so that's new,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 12: I think. And our military has exceeded the recruitment we
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: were hearing just four years ago that this was a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 12: permanent fertility crisis or some such thing, but it was
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 12: really it was really a war on the traditional white
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 12: male working class family that sends generation after generation to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 12: combat units and that's where they fall off came and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 12: that's where it's been corrected.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So how do you assess where we are Visa VI
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the battle with Iran? And it's a battle, and I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: think you know, by the end of the broadcast today
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: it might have renewed again because Nannau and Trump have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a very interesting way of completely blindsiding the Iranians again
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and again and again. And so we bombed them for
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: thirteen nights. We've taken three or four nights off. Now.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think Trump has taken anything off the table,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: least I hope he has it. How do you read
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: it right now? Victor Davis Hanson.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 12: I think they've come to consensus that you cannot negotiate
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: with this government, and even if you were to reach
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: an agreement, it would be worthless. And that's the history
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 12: of the forty seven year theocracy. So I think that
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 12: they're going to engage probably in dual use targeting as well,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 12: and they're going to try to destroy the military nuclear
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 12: industrial complex at least to the extent that it can't
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: threaten neighbors or get a bomb or close the straight
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: for maybe a decade. And then they're going to tell
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: our allies, the Israelis, the Gulf States, the Europeans who
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: need the golf somewhat, and the Asians who really need it,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: that we will organize our remnant forces there to keep
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 12: the straight open and tit for tat if the Iranians
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: start to rebuild an arming rate, and then we're going
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 12: to I think, transfer the majority of if we have
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 12: a efficient level of damage and go into a containment
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: mode and man sure that they're a permanently neutered power.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: It depends on who's going to be president after Trump, obviously,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: and then I think, also I hope so you that
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 12: they don't negotiate with this government, and they might do
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 12: flip what Komane did the last he was an exile
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: in Iraq for thirteen years, but the last four months
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 12: he undermined the shaw by having a government in exile
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: from Paris. We could flip that model and really get
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: a coalition and say we're going to talk to a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 12: government in exile, a provisionary government that promises to have
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 12: consensual elections government within a couple of years, and we're
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 12: going to transfer frozen assets to it and do things
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: a little bit differently. I think somebody floated the idea
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: that we should take the frozen assets and also create
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 12: an insurance fund and tell any tanker that is hit
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 12: by an Iranian weapon that they will be fully compensated
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 12: out of Iranian funds. Keep the sanctions on, if not
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 12: tighten them. So I think that's that they're working to.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Would you keep as I hope they do the blockade
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: in place unchill and unless we have proof positive that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: they are disarming Pickaxe Mountain and their other three nuclear sites,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: there is no reason to unnecessarily drive oil up. But
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to take the blockade off again.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: We gave them one chance.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, And there's things that are I think there's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 12: a growing realization given the radicalization of the Democratic Socialists
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: take over the Democratic Party and Scott de Sena's outline
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: in terms of GDP, inflation, job growth, unemployment, foreign investment,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 12: the essentials are starting to really be a parent that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: the economy is strong. And with the gerrymandering on red
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: states and the Supreme Court racial juror, I think they
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 12: feel they have an outside chance to if they can
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 12: resolve the kinetic big picture in Iran and contain it,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 12: keep the blockade, keep the sanctions on, organize the Allies
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 12: to keep the straight they can and they can disengage
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 12: that they can still win the midterm.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're right. When we come back from break,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the DSA and what it
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: means for America, because Victor's a historian writ large and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I follow politics pretty closely, and there's nothing in American
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: history like this, Not Eugene Debs, not any of the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: socialist parties that came before, not the Wobbly, nothing like
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: this has ever prepped up on our shores and knocked
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: on our door in the way that the DSA is
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: a dancing And it's not just New York City, it's Michigan,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: it's Colorado, it's the West Coast, and it's new and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: it's really dangerous for the Republic. I'll get DH's assessment
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: of that. Follow him on exit.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: D D.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Hansen don't forget his book, The counter Revolution. I'll be
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: right back with Vickor David Hanson. Stay two Werego'm back America.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hanson of the Hoover Institution in Hillsdale College,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: the author of the forthcoming The counter Revolution, The Fall
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: coming out in a month, so pre order it now
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  Speaker 1: at Amazon. Victor, your thoughts on the Democratic Socialists of America.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: They lost Graham Platner, they replaced him with an older,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: boring version of Graham Platner, a journeyman left as socialist.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But Elsaid's in the game until next week at least.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: And they've got planning in Minnesota, and they got two
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: dozen congressmen who fit in that category. What's that mean
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party in the country, Well, it's.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 12: Kind of ambiguous. They have the energy, and they have
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 12: the rhetoric and they instill fear, but they still haven't
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 12: won a state wide election. So they're very strong in
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 12: urban enclaves with what's now been called downwardly mobile, mostly
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 12: white urban dwellers that feel that their degrees, they most
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 12: of them are, have not been fully appreciated in terms
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 12: of monetary compensation. And then they are fueled with second,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 12: first and second generation immigrants, the Heiros, the Chevalier, the Mandamis,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 12: the Taileibes, the ilian Omar, and these people come I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 12: don't quite understand the phenomena, but from failed states they
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 12: come here. They have all these opportunities, freedom, security, prosperity,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 12: and then they put their finger in the wind and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 12: say all the cultural advantages are with the left as
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 12: far as affirmative action and media and acclamation of di
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 12: and they end up actually despising the current US. So
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  Speaker 12: they're very radical, and you're absolutely right. We haven't had
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  Speaker 12: a movement that says they want to abolish the Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 12: or abolish the sin that or open the border permanently.
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  Speaker 12: So this is new. But we have to keep our
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 12: eye on Michigan, Texas, and Maine. And this will show
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  Speaker 12: if it has any residents, because we've got a blue
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  Speaker 12: state of purple state in a red state, and that's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 12: a good example to see if they can carry anybody
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 12: other than their urban enclaves and the other thing. This
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 12: is a top down phenomenon. You these are very middle
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 12: class and upper middle class. And you know when you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 12: hear Rokana lecturing us on the beauties of socialism, and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 12: he's worth two hundred million dollars and his wife drives
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 12: a range rover or Mandami, a single child of privilege,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 12: among the highest per capita income as far as ethnic
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 12: groups in the United States, it came from the privilege
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 12: one percent in Uganda, and then you add in a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 12: Graham Platner, or you can talk about this Hassan Piker
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 12: who drives a Porsche. This is a very funny type
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  Speaker 12: of socialism. It's like the Jacobins and the French Revolution.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: They were kind of an upper middle class and summer lawyers, lawyers,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: the Robes, Pierre brother Robes Prierre, Saint Jus. Yes, absolutely,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 12: and they were the elite. Maybe not all aristocratic, but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 12: they were the new elite. And that was a top
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 12: down phenomenon. And usually these top down phenomenon. The Bolsheviks,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 12: the Jacobins eighteen forty eight revolutionary, they are the more radical.
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  Speaker 12: It's for them, it's I think it's kind of a
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  Speaker 12: sense of insolarity that they will never be subject to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: the consequences of their revolutionary Do.
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  Speaker 1: You think the country America has the immunities to see
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: this off? It's metastatic. I think it's spreading. But do
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you think we will produce the immunities necessary in the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: white blood cells, necessary to stop it and push it
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: back into the ground.
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  Speaker 7: If we take it seriously?
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  Speaker 12: Yes, the Republican Party has a lot more money and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 12: if they run these kind of campaign ads we saw
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 12: with twenty twenty four when that devastating Trump ad they
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: are for they them, and Trump is for you that type.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 12: Just quote them in their own words, and fifty eight
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 12: percent sixty percent poll that the Dramocatic Party is too
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 12: far left.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: So it's there.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 12: But if they get complacent and say, oh, these people
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 12: are just crazy and nobody would take them seriously, It's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: kind of like me Too. Started out legitimately and then
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 12: people got carried away. Then it became an hysterical reign
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 12: of terror, and the same thing with the BLM Antifa
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 12: after George Floyd. So these movements have an ability to,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 12: like wildfire, to catch and they become fattish and people
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 12: want to say, I'm a socialist. That's neat, that's cool.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 12: We've got to stop that.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Well, ask a question on this segment. Is the president
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: right to call them communists? I call them Marxists. How
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: would you describe them?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think they're happy to be called Marxist. So
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 12: I went on their DSA website and marx Is everywhere
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 12: in Cuba's everywhere in Venezuela. So I don't think they
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 12: want to take the next step and say they're communists,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 12: because they're not ready to say they want to abol
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 12: these elections free elections yet, but I think they feel
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 12: that with mail in balloting and no ide and open
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 12: borders that would be dave facto.
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  Speaker 7: They could abolish the.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 12: Authenticity of an election. They are communists, many of them,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 12: but they don't want to admit it quite yet.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Well, actually this party is for tomorrow,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the next segment which I'm going to record with Victor
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: on the three ways that Iran can and what it
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: means for America. So don't mish tomorrow's program, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: posted on the YouTube channel tonight. If you are caught
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: up with Victor, don't forget his book, There's that Counter Revolution.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: You can order it an Amazon right now. I'm back
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: now with Victor Davis Hanson, author of the forthcoming book
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: The counter Revolution. Victor, there are three outcomes possible in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: the Battle of Iran. We win, the regime collapses or
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: is defanged, and they have an internal upheaval of the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: sort that we've seen in color revolutions from Egypt to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Ukraine to all over Eastern Europe.
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  Speaker 3: We lose.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, the American people don't like the losses,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: the eighteen soldiers killed, thee hundred wounded, the cost. Democrats
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  Speaker 1: campaign on it, and we throw up our hands and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: see control of the strait and a long standoff, which
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  Speaker 1: we talked about on Tuesday's program. What are the consequences
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  Speaker 1: long term of each of those, because you think in
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  Speaker 1: big historical arts, Vietnam ad consequences for decades. What are
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: the consequences of winning losing in stalemate?
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  Speaker 12: Well, if we could win, and I don't think you'll
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  Speaker 12: get an immediate regime, but if we could create the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: tensions so when they emerge of their apartments and they
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 12: see this theocracy trying to spend all of this money,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 12: such as it is, it won't be much with sanctions
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 12: and blockades, but if they try to spend it on terror,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 12: Arab terrorists or rebuilding their drone fleet or something, that's
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 12: going to cause the type of tensions we saw after
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 12: the follow the Berlin Wall. The Warsaw Pac took months
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  Speaker 12: to democratize, the Soviet Union took two years. So I
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  Speaker 12: think that's what our aim is, that it might not
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 12: be immediate, but we would create the conditions which the
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  Speaker 12: theocracy would find eventually overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: That what would be the long term implication that that happened.
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  Speaker 12: Well, we've never had Iran as a pro Western country.
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  Speaker 12: At the same time the Gulf States were pro Western.
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  Speaker 12: We've always had radical Sunni terrorism we worried about, or
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 12: we've had Shia Persian terrorism. But the idea that we
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  Speaker 12: would have allies in both the Shia and Sunny Sunni
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 12: and the Persian and the Arab camps would be quite stunning.
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  Speaker 12: And with this Chinese the Russians out of the Middle East,
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  Speaker 12: and of course there wouldn't be it would be a
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  Speaker 12: stable place, and it would be a rich place, and
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  Speaker 12: it would be it would make it would normalize Israel,
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  Speaker 12: and it would just make a lot of tensions. It
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 12: would just and it would be the greatest I think
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  Speaker 12: it would be the greatest foreign policy triumph in the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 12: last thirty or forty years.
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  Speaker 7: If you could pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: It would be a strategic I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: a strategic triumph on an order with the collapse of
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, and I think China would be back
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: on their heels. So it's worth questing for what about
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: the consequences of turning tail and losing seating the straight.
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  Speaker 12: Well, it wouldn't be in an isolated Besides the concrete idea,
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  Speaker 12: if they control the Straits, they would be enriched again
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  Speaker 12: and they would charge tolls and they would take over
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  Speaker 12: and they would rebuild very quickly their missile and they
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 12: would have a sort of damocles over Israel. They would
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: probably attack the UAE, they try to break up the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 12: Gulf State solidarity. Europe would be terrified. Soviet, the Russians,
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  Speaker 12: and the Chinese would be back in. It would be bad,
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  Speaker 12: and it would become on the tails of the humiliating
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 12: withdrawal from Afghanistan, the kind of misadventure in Afghanistan, and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 12: also the status in Iraq, and it would just say
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 12: to the American people, keep out of that place. You
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 12: don't belong outsources, and the Israelis would be surrounded eventually
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 12: because most people would go with the wind and they'd
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 12: see that Iran one and the Sunnis would make the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 12: necessary adjustments.
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  Speaker 1: Long term strategic decline for the United States at that point, Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I play that out. I believe that I want people
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  Speaker 1: to The stakes are so high. They've always been high
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  Speaker 1: with Iran, but they've been below the surface. Now they're
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: above the surface. I want people to understand we can't
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: lose this one because it would mean the American era
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: would effectively be over.
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  Speaker 12: Well. When Trump was re elected, he was like standing,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 12: as Shakespeare said, like a colossus over mere mortals at
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 12: that cathedral of the Notre Dame. And the reason was
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 12: is he had taken out Solomoni. He had destroyed the
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 12: Wagner group. Nobody had done that. Dare touch Russians during
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 12: the Cold War on the ground, he had taken out
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 12: El Baghdaddy. He had been tough with Putin on getting
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 12: out of the missile treatment a treaty. He had lectured
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 12: the Europeans he had job on them. No, Nordstrom, you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 12: made a mistake. He was really strong and he was
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 12: re arming and that continued in a second term. And
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 12: the Europeans when you talk to I just talked to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 12: forty of them diplomats and at a lecture, and they're
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: all vocally despised Trump. But when you talk to them privately,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 12: they all concede that what he did for them empowered
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 12: the West in general and Europe in particular in NATO.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 12: So they understand that Trump's economic, his social, cultural, military,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 12: reforms are really an effort to make the United States
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 12: second to none pre eminent. We haven't really seen anybody
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 12: who said, I'm going to stage a counter revolution, stop
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 12: the progressive project and make it the United States. The
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 12: on question economic, social, cultural, military power.
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  Speaker 1: In the world. Okay, given that the upside is so
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: big and the downside is so terrible, a long drawn
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: out war doesn't make any sense to me. I mean,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: the blockade is good to help we keep it for
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: months in six months, but would you leave the oil
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: infrastructure untouched? As we haven't touched Cars Island, we haven't
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: blown up the other islands. We haven't gone after the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: production facilities in their pipelines. Although we could do it
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: with jay dams. It doesn't require missiles, it doesn't require attackers.
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  Speaker 1: We can do it with jay dams in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't done it because we kind of hope that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: it would be there for the civilian. But we didn't
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: wage war with Germany that way, did we.
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  Speaker 12: No, we didn't wage war with Vietnam that way, or
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 12: Japan or North Korea either. But the problem, I don't
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  Speaker 12: know if we have to take out the storage tanks,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 12: the pipelines, the wells, I think all we'd have to
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 12: do is selectively hit all of the port facilities, all
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 12: of the dockyard, all of the cranes, so they could
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 12: the oil could not be unloaded for export, and ships
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 12: couldn't get in there. And they can do that, And
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 12: I think they've already started stopping all the rail links
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 12: to China and Russia. Over land, they hit the Caspians,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 12: Caspian seaports, they can isolate Iran from all. I don't
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 12: even understand you, and maybe you have a different opinion
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 12: why the airports are open and why they have flights
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 12: into Yemen. I would close the airports. I would close
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 12: all the rail links to China and Russia and their satellites,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 12: and I would make it impossible. I wouldn't hit the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 12: oil storage or or the infrastructure, but I would make
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 12: it impossible to sell oil. Would be easily fixed if
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 12: the people took over.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the argument I want to hear your
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: response to that is from our golf allies. If we
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: closed Tehran Airport, they will close Dubai, and they'll close
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: ri Odd and they'll try and damage our vulnerable and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: we haven't got enough interceptors to which My response is
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: strike first, and strike far, and strike fast, and they
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: won't think about it.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I get a little frustrated because they do have
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 12: six hundred combat aircraft, and their top of the line
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 12: aircraft they bought them.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Are golf allot nations.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 12: Yes, yes, and Israel's got three hundred, and we have
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 12: four to five hundred permanently in the region. So you're
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 12: talking about an overwhelming air arm And if they really wanted,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 12: they say they participate here and there. There's rumors even
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 12: that retired Europeans and Americans may be flying some of them.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 12: I don't know if though those are true, but they're
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 12: pretty good pilots, and if they really wanted to, and
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 12: there's no Iranian air defenses they could do, they could
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 12: just drop divide up the vast country and sections and
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 12: assign them to each country and say you take care
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 12: of that. Nothing moves militarily in your sector. But they're
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 12: not doing that because they're timid and they're scared, and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 12: so it's kind of frustrating for us for them to say,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 12: you've got to take care of Iran, but don't do this,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 12: and don't do that, and don't hit this, And we say, well,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 12: we have to hit these things to take care of them. Well,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 12: don't do it or you know so, I think we
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 12: just have to go ahead and do it what's in
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 12: our interests and hope.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Last really great. You've been generous for your time. Final question,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: how bound up with the result in the Iran War
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: is the legacy of Donald Trump and his standing in history.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 12: I don't think he intended it to be, but it
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 12: will be definitive along with the economy and the cultural
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 12: counter revolution. But they're all connected. If we lose, you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 12: talked about the strategic implication. If we lose, then issues
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 12: that were dear to the majority of amer Americans, from
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 12: a closed border to the nonsense about defunding the police
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 12: or trans all that, all those issues, then they are
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 12: discredited to his counter revolution. He fails, just like Lyndon
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 12: Johnson failed after the Vietnam fiasco, or Richard Nixon failed
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 12: after Watergate. Had he survived Watergate and he hadn't got involved,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 12: we would have won the Vietnam War, I think, and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 12: it would have been a different country. So you can't
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 12: turn over power to the left after a humiliating defeat
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 12: in the Middle East and not expect that they would
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 12: be gorged on that success and then try to undo
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 12: everything Trump ever did and maybe have public support to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 12: do it.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: An excellent caution, Victor Davis Hanson. Always great to talk
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: to you. We will talk again as we get close
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: to the counter Revolution, but I remind my audience again,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: pre order it because it's going to sell out. Books
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: are doing that more and more nowadays because they don't
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: print enough their cautious and bdh's the counter Revolution, the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: rise and Fall of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: is going to be one of those pre ordered. Thank you, Victor.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: I look forward to our next conversation a few weeks.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having for you you bet I's got
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: a nuclear science Welcome back America. I've held off talking
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: about Tony Fauci until this segment with Lilyax as in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: James Lylas dot substact dot com and Lilax dot com
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: because James a lot of people like to remind me
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: that I was a Fauci fan, and I was. I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: got the vaccine and I did I do it again.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I got two boosters I don't need anymore. So they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: say I can't really see clearly what's in the Fauci Diaries,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: though I do, I'm going to turn to you. Although
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think you were anti vax. Were you anti vax?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: No, not in the least fit.
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  Speaker 20: I regard it as a triumph of American ingenuity and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 20: technology and just the sort of thing that showed this
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 20: country was great.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: I liked it.
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  Speaker 20: I had a bunch of them. Then I changed my
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 20: mind and said I'm not having them anymore. I had
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 20: one of them with a shingles shot at the same time,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 20: and spent an entire day feeling as if I was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 20: being ammed repeatedly by a school bus. So I kind
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 20: of backed off that. But I'm not an anti vax
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 20: guy at all. What I did like about Fauci.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Go on, No, I was gonna say that sets us up.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: We're on the same page on the science. But I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: came to distrust doctor Fauci over the course of three interviews,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: to the point I suggested he step aside. He did
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: not take well of that. And it's in his diary.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 20: Is it also in his diary how Anthony looked on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 20: the time that perhaps it's his high his shirts has pressed.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 20: All of these things were just magnificently done. The self
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 20: regard in that diary is quite remarkable. I've got to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 20: call him a national review coming up this Saturday, just
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 20: that very fact, the cluelessness and the self regard, and
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 20: my dog is.
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  Speaker 3: Whining in the fashion that you're just gonna have to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: indulge me.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 20: I'm sorry, I got to give him something or he
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 20: just will not shut up, Birch.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: I don't mind if Birch talks throughout this, because we've
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: got lots of film of doctor Fauci, because there's an
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: endless supply of film of doctor Fauci. Where did he
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: go right? Was there as age or was the ego
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: always there?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: No? I think the ego was always probably there, and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: that's fine.
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  Speaker 20: I mean a lot of people who are smart and
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 20: capable and runner organizations and the rest of it, do
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  Speaker 20: you expect them to have something of an ego. You
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  Speaker 20: don't want somebody in there saying, goshall I'm making the
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  Speaker 20: right decision every time they do something.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 20: Ego is part of the territory, particularly in Washington, and
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  Speaker 20: the idea that somebody in his position would be self
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  Speaker 20: regarding again that particularly in Washington, does not come as
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  Speaker 20: a studing surprise that he commits it to his diary.
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  Speaker 20: That's something else. I've always known that people lie to
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 20: their diaries. Generally, they under the sort of soft soap
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 20: their own faults. It's entirely possible that he held himself
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  Speaker 20: in higher regard than appears to be in the tiary.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 20: But what bugs me is something that should have bugged everybody.
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  Speaker 20: At a certain point, I would go to the neighborhood
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 20: little knickknack store where all the wine bombs would go
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 20: to buy, you know, cozy's and cards and things for
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 20: gifts for others. And there was a shelf of candles,
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  Speaker 20: candles that had Anthony Fauci as a saint that you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 20: would liked them like you were a Catholic candle, And
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 20: there were mugs that said what would Fauci do?
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  Speaker 3: And I, at that point said.
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  Speaker 20: The worship of this man en hence proving that one
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  Speaker 20: is pro science, because that's what you did when you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 20: worshiped Fauci. It was appalling and annoying, and I was
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 20: annoyed with all of the people who held him up
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  Speaker 20: as this avatar, as America's doctor and the rest of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I started tuning him out at a certain point.
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  Speaker 20: But then comes the summer and the riots start and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 20: we're told that it's okay to go outside and protest
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 20: because that's national health emergency as well. And that's why
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 20: I lost faith with the whole damned batch of them.
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  Speaker 1: So well, the first interview, I'd done three interviews with
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: him at length, and they're transcribed, and at this moment
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: chat Chietp is comparing and contrasting them with his diaries,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: and I'll get the final product. But the first one
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I was very complimentary because I thought he was a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: very reassuring voice. The second one I brought up gain
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: of function and he lied to me. And the third one,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: which is in September twenty twenty one, is belligerent my part.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think the media abandoned its job?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, without question. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 20: We were told repeatedly that anybody who thought that it
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 20: was something other than us coming from the wet market
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 20: was a racist, which was hilarious too. You say it's
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 20: coming from a Chinese lab full of smart scientists, you're
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 20: a racist. The non racist thing to do is to
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 20: say that it came from this filthy wet market where
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 20: people with bare feet walked around and ate backheads with
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 20: their bare hands somehow that's a little bit more racist
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 20: than saying that it came from a lab.
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  Speaker 3: But the way that we were the discussion was shut down.
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  Speaker 20: The way that people like doctor j were marginalized and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 20: by Fauci, if I'm correct, were you know, part of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 20: a little campaign to demonize them and show them as
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 20: fringe characters. That was absolutely unacceptable completely, So so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't do their job.
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  Speaker 20: They fell in line, and for some curious reason, I
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 20: decided that that certain areas of conversation were going to
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 20: be as off topic as hunter Biden's laptop. So yeah,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 20: it's no reason why the catastrophic drop off in faith
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 20: in the media and our experts in the health service came.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 20: It wasn't because a bunch of crazy people said not
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 20: so things on the internet. It was because people reacted
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 20: sanely and soberly and rationally to the things that were
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 20: being done by the officians who were supposed to have
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 20: our better interests at art.
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  Speaker 1: So under the absence of data about children being vulnerable
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: to the disease, and they lost two years of school. Okay,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: you're pretty good on popular history. Have we made this
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: mistake before attributing to a scientist extraordinary authority. I don't
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: think we.
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  Speaker 20: Have on this level. No, because it wasn't possible to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 20: do it on this level. If you had somebody who
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 20: was coming up with some crazy little notion about how
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 20: smallpox has spread, or some lysenko idea about this germ
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 20: or that or the.
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  Speaker 3: Rest of it, where are they going to be.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 20: They're going to be either marginalized in a scientific journal
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 20: that nobody reads, or they're going to be writing a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 20: little column in the back of the newspaper or whatever.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 20: The dissemination, the power of the worse, the strength that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 20: came because of the Internet age was extraordinary. So bad
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 20: ideas got amplified. You know, good too, but bad ideas
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 20: got amplified really quickly.
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  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't I mean Dad, But I wouldn't have
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: recognized him if I ran into.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 7: Him, would you?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 12: No?
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  Speaker 20: Nor would i've Nor would I have seen a candle
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 20: voted candle devoted to his sainted memory in the the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 20: Stories of the Ben for the Shelves of the Ben Franklin.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: So no, I wouldn't recognize or Borlog or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, Norman Borlog.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 20: Marie Curie probably so because she had a distinctive look,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 20: and that she also glowed slightly in the dark.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: You know, you take the shades down, it's glowing. A's Marie.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: So Okay, Having gone through this, do you think we've
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: developed an immunity to authority that is sudden and overwhelming.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, but again, it's going to take exactly a different
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 20: kind of crisis to make us.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Look for somebody to believe it again. Uh, some like this.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 20: I mean, I'm afraid we get the bird flu that
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 20: you've been talking about for twenty years, or we get
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 20: some other pathogen that starts sweeping through.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: There's going to be another there.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 20: People who otherwise would have simply nodded and say, yes,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 20: this is seasonal, this happens, isn't before, are now going
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 20: to have their hackles up. Whether or not it's enough
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 20: to completely make it impossible for them to do a
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 20: shutdown or impossible for them to enforce masking.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 20: Governments can get really strict and really nasty when they
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 20: decide this has to be done. I'm more worried about
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 20: some other kind of situation, and I don't quite know
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 20: what that is. Some black swan where once again we
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 20: cast about for an expert and we find some charismatic,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 20: reasonable person with their hand.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: On the till we will see I hope not. But
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: we did we learn something. We'll find out LI likes.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: As in James Lycs that such back dot com or
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: just go to Lins dot com for his website. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you big in America.
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  Speaker 4: I'm