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7. Discovering Family Constellations: A Journey with Susan Altschwager · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy: Welcome everyone back to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy: Today I have the utmost pleasure of having my friend Susan Alschwager here to have a conversation.
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  Tracy: We always have a really good laugh, so I'm looking forward to seeing what bubbles up in the field.
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  Tracy: Yeah, so welcome Susan.
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  Susan: Thank you, Tracey.
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  Susan: Yeah, we always do have a good laugh.
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  Susan: I love being around your energy and all you are, Trace.
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  Tracy: Oh, thank you.
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  Tracy: It's a good belly laugh.
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  Tracy: I was just, um, for the viewers, I was just sharing with Susan because when I first met Susan, over 10 years ago now, it would have been.
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  Tracy: I, um, yeah, recognize that you're very similar to my sister in, in looks and, and personality and the wit.
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  Tracy: And I was like, maybe there's somewhere in our DNA that we're related and I really feel like that.
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  Tracy: So I've felt like I needed to leave my auntie, all the things behind me.
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  Tracy: Sometimes I cover up the background just because it feels there's too much.
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  Tracy: But today.
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  Tracy: Okay.
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  Tracy: Bye.
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  Tracy: Welcoming Susan, welcoming my family and having everything is welcome.
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  Tracy: Everything belongs.
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  Tracy: Hey, how are you?
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  Tracy: How are you doing?
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  Tracy: You've been traveling.
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  Susan: I am.
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  Susan: I'm actually doing this interview in the caravan and I was trying to get it on.
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  Susan: through the computer and it wasn't working.
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  Susan: So I had to go on the iPad.
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  Susan: So I've had a few moments of deep breathing, deep breathing and accepting what is.
• 1:28
  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: And I've just, just had, um, quickly, uh, I've just had three days sitting with a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful friend who's just passed away.
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  Susan: She had dementia.
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  Susan: So, um, but that was special three days.
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  Susan: Uh, I've had my sad times, but now I'm feeling very grateful.
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  Susan: I had the time with her.
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  Tracy: She was
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  Susan: a part of my, she was a part of my family constellation journey.
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  Susan: She actually held my back as I started getting into it and was there at every workshop and you know, she was just one of those friends that always had my back.
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  Tracy: Wow.
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  Tracy: That's beautiful.
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  Tracy: So beautiful.
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  Tracy: So talking of family constellations, tell me, how did you get into family constellations?
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  Susan: Well, I got into it.
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  Susan: I'm a breath worker or rebirther.
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  Susan: They change the name of it all the time and I was in Sydney at a conference.
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  Susan: Janine was also there.
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  Susan: She was a breath worker and she um was demonstrating family constellation and I walked into the not a wrong room and the room I walked in was Janine demonstrating this.
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  Susan: I was there for five, six, Not even five minutes and I knew this was my work.
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  Susan: She was talking about the orders of love and, you know, supporting the children and I just loved it instantly, fell in love with this work instantly.
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  Susan: Went home from that conference, went back to Sydney to do some personal work with Family Constellations with Janine.
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  Susan: And this is probably 20 years ago now.
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  Susan: I'm not, you know, how time flies.
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  Susan: And I've just had this amazing love affair with this work.
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  Susan: It's just the best time of my life.
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  Susan: I would say, um, I just feel so grateful for it to have come to me and all the personal experiences and then able to support other people.
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  Susan: You know, the one thing I say constellations gave me, the most precious thing, I'm in early seventies now, and my first child was stillborn.
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  Susan: Stillborn children back then were like ignored.
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  Susan: You didn't touch them, you, they just took them away and it was like they didn't exist.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: And so I say constellations brought my daughter back to me and we, we need to be feel, you need to be whole.
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  Susan: I never would have been whole without that because I cut it from me.
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  Susan: Could you do that for survival?
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  Susan: And there was no cancelling or any encouragement and so forever grateful that she, she was my first born and so grateful that, that constellations brought her back to me.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: That's beautiful.
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  Susan: Mm.
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  Susan: And the other, for personal, is I have great relationships with my siblings now.
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  Susan: And that journey was through Constellations too.
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  Susan: I look at it like in the river of life, or in the river of our families.
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  Susan: Some bowlers may be there.
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  Susan: And Constellations assists us.
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  Susan: to just put the bowlers, you know, on the side and so we could, the river can run free, the river of love.
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  Tracy: Well, it stops the blockages, doesn't it?
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  Tracy: It moves the blockages so that they can flow.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Susan: And, uh, yeah, cause I was thinking about talking to you today and the, and the greatest things I personally have, just knowing it, just understanding those orders and just understanding The movement living daily in your family.
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  Susan: It's like there's been times in my family, my children are all grown up now and mama bear would have jumped in before the wives if I did not understand my place.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: So can you, for the, for the listeners, can you explain that a little bit more so they understand that?
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  Susan: Well, for instance, uh, my son who had a work accident, lost his leg.
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  Susan: My heart was just like, I just wanted to, he was my baby and, and I wanted, instantly wanted him back.
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  Susan: And he was a man of like 27.
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  Susan: He was married.
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  Susan: If I, and I kept on saying, Susan, your place is behind him.
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  Susan: Do not go in front of him before his wife.
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  Susan: And so.
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  Susan: In constellations you begin to understand your place because what it does it makes the love in a disorder you go you go all in out of balance if you're not in your right place and I would have been hopeless his wife was great I would have babied him and but I just kept on saying your place is not in front of his wife.
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  Susan: Just breathe and stand behind him.
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  Susan: Well done.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: And there's been a few times where just just knowing those things in my family and even in my grandchildren.
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  Susan: Even if they sometimes don't know, you know, it's like lighting a candle or having a little altar or whatever you want to do or however you want to do it privately.
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  Susan: It just can assist your daily living.
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  Susan: With your family, you know, who comes first in your family, the balance of give and take in your family.
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  Susan: I'm not the biggest, also my mother, you know, before this work came to me, I thought I knew what was best for my mother.
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  Susan: I never.
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  Susan: You know, I thought I was more than her, but not, I don't know if better than her, but constellations helped me understand my place with her, and we had a beautiful relationship before she passed, and I still have a beautiful relationship with her, but constellations gave me that as well.
• 7:41
  Susan: Basic, ordinary living of the, those basic orders and our place.
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  Tracy: Yeah, I get that, you know, or you know that I had mum live with me for nine years and she was very sick towards the end.
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  Tracy: So I had to do a lot of the mothering things for her.
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  Tracy: Yes.
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  Tracy: I made sure.
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  Tracy: And there was, I remember one time in particular, she said to me, Oh, you're being such a good mum to me.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: And I just looked at her and I said, Mum, no, I'm just being a daughter.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Who loves her mother.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: You have a mother.
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  Tracy: You know, like really having to be clear, and this was like really towards the end of her life, but at the beginning for me in Constellations.
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  Tracy: I could see how enmeshed I was in my mum's pain because there'd been a lot of, there was a lot of trauma behind me and behind her.
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  Tracy: Our family dynamics and the loss of babies.
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  Susan: Yes.
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  Tracy: The unspokenness of that.
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  Tracy: And I was the baby.
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  Tracy: And I came through and I just picked up all the residue in the womb, and Like I had just filled up my own backpack before I even got out here.
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  Tracy: So there was a part of me that was, that was often mothering my mother.
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  Tracy: And Constellations really supported me in finding my place in the family system.
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  Susan: Yes, it frees us, Tracy.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Susan: And just allows that love to, you know, expand within us and, and our family.
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  Susan: Hmm.
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  Susan: Yeah, and there was another opportunity that I took when my father passed, who, I mean, I didn't talk to him about this stuff, but, and there was some, in our family there was, um, positions, the, all the places weren't in their right place.
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  Susan: Hmm.
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  Susan: So I did his eulogy.
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  Susan: And I remember wanting to give him this gift.
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  Susan: And I put us all in the right place.
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  Susan: All the siblings, all the grandchildren, all the great grandchildren.
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  Susan: And so, and one of the grandchildren came up to me crying and saying, thank you.
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  Susan: Thank you.
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  Susan: I've never felt that place before.
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  Susan: And so, it just is amazing what it does.
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  Tracy: Do you, sorry, do you mean that you wrote it out or?
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  Tracy: Yes, I wrote it out,
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  Susan: the eulogy.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Susan: I should have, as I was speaking it.
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  Susan: I think this particular grandchild had never felt recognized in the family system and, and so there was no, the order was the right order of where they were born.
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  Susan: And so he must have really felt something.
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  Susan: I felt that was, that's what I could give my father and yeah, yeah.
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  Susan: And I, I just.
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  Susan: I'm very grateful.
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  Susan: Also, then I went into training.
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  Susan: I went into training.
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  Susan: Training came to me.
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  Susan: That's how I went into training.
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  Susan: Often the field does ask us things, doesn't it?
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  Tracy: Yeah, well, I was reading the other day, Helaingath talks about that constellation calls you.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Tracy: That's how it is, you know.
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  Tracy: If you come into it, um, thinking you're bigger than it, it's going to call you and then you can work the field then.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: I came home from Sydney after doing, you know, some of my own work and started just having a, a few workshops or just a few people at home.
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  Susan: For those people that are wanting to start this work, that's just how I had it.
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  Susan: And that beautiful lady that passed away, she'd be there every time, you know, and then it grew.
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  Susan: And from that group, I started doing workshops.
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  Susan: And then from the workshops, I had a phone call one day and this girl said, Please, we want you to train you.
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  Susan: You know, you want us to train you.
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  Susan: So, like you said, I felt a little, um, I don't know if I have the word worthy, but I, I had to like really sense for myself to say yes to that.
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  Susan: And I feel when I took up the training, uh, it takes you to another level of your own healing and your own growth and your own expansion.
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  Susan: I don't think there was a training that I held that.
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  Susan: Wow.
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  Susan: It just took you more.
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  Susan: You just, yeah, a lot can be asked of you and a lot is received.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: I've just done a training weekend this weekend.
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  Tracy: So my 2024, we're over the hill.
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  Tracy: So we're half, over halfway and we're coming down the other side towards, you know, the finishing.
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  Tracy: But we did a training this weekend.
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  Tracy: Oh my gosh.
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  Tracy: It was, and I just keep saying to the girls, this was next level.
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  Tracy: Yes, it is, doesn't it?
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  Tracy: Yeah, and for myself even, and what we shared.
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  Tracy: And stepping into the unknown, holy moly, the whole weekend gave me, me as the trainer, the opportunity to say to them, I don't know, I don't know.
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  Tracy: Yes.
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  Tracy: And so we kept putting, so I don't know, came in the field.
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  Tracy: That was how we started the weekend.
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  Tracy: I love that.
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  Tracy: We rolled with it all weekend and it was so beautiful to work in that.
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  Tracy: And then we, there were constellations and we had some people come in, people experience stuff.
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  Tracy: But the field also brought in a couple of really big opportunities, you know, like it's never a coincidence, right?
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  Tracy: Who comes together and, and the trainees, I've got 10 of them are just.
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  Tracy: Amazing bunch of beings who, and they all just connected and have bonded really, really well.
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  Tracy: And this weekend has brought them to another level.
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  Susan: And you wonder how much love your heart can hold because you're just, don't you?
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  Susan: I mean, after a training like that, you're just so, so full, you know?
• 13:40
  Susan: Absolutely.
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  Tracy: Absolutely.
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  Tracy: I'm like And then I check in.
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  Tracy: Is this ego?
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  Tracy: No, it's not.
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  Tracy: It's not.
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  Tracy: This is amazing.
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  Tracy: This is like the expansion of my heart.
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  Tracy: Yes.
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  Tracy: Wow.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: So beautiful.
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  Tracy: So good to hear you say that as well, because I'm often processing things like, what is this?
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  Tracy: And like, how do I, because my, my training, I didn't get, um, the in depth You know, my training has been a lot of ongoing.
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  Tracy: It's always ongoing, right?
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  Susan: Yeah, it is.
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  Susan: Yeah, mine too, continually on growing.
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  Susan: And so then now the field or some part of me is now asking me to go out into the global awakenings, you know, and that's been very challenging because I have so, so, so low.
• 14:33
  Susan: The training and the work I've been doing and so I've had to go through a grieving process and do I still belong in constellation process and ah, yeah, not easy but like you, you know, we're all the same.
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  Susan: We, we go, we're asked to go deep.
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  Susan: We're always asked to go deep to be able to move forward and, you know, I definitely feel like I'm moving into the unknown.
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  Susan: And I remember waking up one day and I could see how those orders could assist us evolve.
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  Susan: That's what we're being asked to do all the time.
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  Susan: And I, I was like, wow.
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  Susan: Bertalinga, my God, what have you given to this world?
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  Susan: It's like, I could actually see the orders.
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  Susan: When we're standing in our right place.
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  Susan: When the giving and the receiving and who comes first and holding this place for the larger family, it will support us to be more grounded, land, owning our own place in it, not looking outside.
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  Susan: Now, for me, the transitioning that's happening is inside us.
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  Susan: The new story that's happening is inside us.
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  Susan: And I really know in the field, Those basic principles, um, as we step into the field can support the individual, because I feel we're at a collective calling, but it's experienced through the individual.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: And
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  Susan: it lives through the individual.
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  Susan: And so.
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  Susan: A deeper part of me is being asked me to step up in that and wherever that is.
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  Susan: So if I'm holding a constellation, I have no idea we, we may visit where we've been previously.
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  Susan: But the one thing I know, our ancestors, all our family systems, many times were asked to go into the unknown.
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  Susan: Many time were pioneers that went to different countries, uh, they unraveled.
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  Susan: new, uh, medicine they unraveled the way we live today is because they walk this unknown journey.
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  Susan: So I do know we can do this because each of us have this behind us.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs.
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  Tracy: Um, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: And as I've put, get pulled further into this work, I often feel the heartbeat or the eyes of the future generation, right?
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  Susan: You know, saying thank you for us to find the courage to ground and earth this new to come through.
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  Tracy: When you bring the new earth story into the field when you are at a workshop or an event, because we were together in Sydney.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Tracy: And that was amazing, what came through.
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  Tracy: Absolutely amazing.
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  Tracy: So, so when you've put it in the field, is it similar each time or does it morph?
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  Tracy: It
• 17:43
  Susan: morphs away.
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  Susan: It's like, what it, see to me with constellations, what you can hold, the field can take you there.
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  Susan: So with me in every cell of my body, I feel this new story.
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  Susan: for humanity, this deep love of humanity, you know, love we talked about.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: I just feel this deep love for humanity.
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  Susan: And so that's what I walk in the field with.
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  Susan: Then I have a client.
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  Susan: Or someone next to me, they may have an issue or they're having, um, needing assistance or something, whatever's happening in their life.
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  Susan: Because you have to be really brave sometimes, Trace, to uncover this new stuff in you.
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  Susan: Yeah.
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  Susan: Because it often doesn't fit into the mainstream.
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  Susan: It's being asked through individuals to have a voice.
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  Susan: To have landing on the ground, being asked to be basically asked to be held with respect and acknowledgement so that the future generations can fly with it, you know, and so it is exactly the same from any concert and I have no idea where it's going, none.
• 18:57
  Susan: No, no, I don't.
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  Susan: It's like empty vessel, but empty vessel, empty vessel, empty.
• 19:04
  Susan: Trust the field.
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  Susan: Trust the field.
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  Susan: I just know that, um, if that pull towards that new or the awakening is in you, the field will may open up.
• 19:18
  Susan: Ancient wisdom may open up places that give you a sense of peace and give you a sense of purpose.
• 19:28
  Tracy: Absolutely.
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  Susan: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Tracy: Now, I know that you are an author.
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  Susan: Yes.
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  Susan: I laugh at that.
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  Susan: Yes.
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  Susan: Do
• 19:39
  Tracy: you want to share a little bit about that?
• 19:45
  Susan: I have a couple of books.
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  Susan: The first one was, uh, Ordinary Woman's Extraordinary Experience.
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  Susan: And the second book is A New Story for Humanity.
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  Susan: And I'm in the process of writing a new one.
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  Susan: I don't know how long it will take.
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  Susan: And that one is about being summonsed by purpose.
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  Susan: Because I've felt a summonsing.
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  Susan: I've had to get over myself and just expect, just accept reality.
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  Susan: And surrender and, and go with what's being asked of me.
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  Susan: So, anyway, the, probably out of them at the moment, the new story for humanity, you know, I wrote this because I just, I had this amazing experience about 40 years ago.
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  Susan: I was out in nature and I had this experience or connection to like an ancient, ancient vibration or, Being back then, the only thing I knew about was lipstick, makeup, and champagne family.
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  Susan: So I had many years of having to come to terms with that.
• 20:45
  Tracy: Wow.
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  Tracy: No medication?
• 20:48
  Susan: No medication.
• 20:49
  Susan: I felt like being medicated.
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  Susan: So I'll just
• 20:53
  Tracy: go away.
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  Tracy: Like I wouldn't have medicated either, but I'm just checking.
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  Tracy: Cause you know, 40 years ago, that was
• 21:00
  Susan: quite.
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  Susan: It was big.
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  Susan: It was big stuff.
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  Susan: My wonderful husband kind of kept the reins going.
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  Susan: Yes, it was really big stuff.
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  Susan: And so it, when I'm talking about orders, it came to me, it was very powerful and it was about the evolutionary process for humanity.
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  Tracy: Wow.
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  Susan: Was too much for me.
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  Susan: There was no love.
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  Susan: I just kept saying no to it all the time.
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  Susan: It just gets stronger and stronger.
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  Susan: So it came to me before constellations.
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  Susan: So I, even though I had this magnificent love of constellations, I always knew this new story came first.
• 21:36
  Susan: in me.
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  Susan: And there would be a time in my life when I had to maybe put the new story first.
• 21:43
  Susan: And the new story is about, it's fantastic.
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  Susan: Now I can tell you now, 40 years ago, I thought it was madness because you're opening up to a whole new reality.
• 21:53
  Susan: But what I know, Trace, now it's really important that we start to see that there is so much opportunity.
• 22:00
  Susan: At this time, so much hope.
• 22:03
  Susan: It may not look like that, but there is an extraordinary, extraordinary shift in human consciousness taking place through individuals of all sorts.
• 22:15
  Susan: Well, whoever you are, and this is real.
• 22:19
  Susan: Yeah, this is totally real.
• 22:22
  Susan: And it is the next process for us to evolve and walk these steps forward.
• 22:28
  Susan: And maybe that, and that first book, when I wrote it, I was so scared of it.
• 22:33
  Susan: I, I didn't want anyone to buy it because I'd be so exposed.
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  Susan: I'd be so, I, I just like being ordinary.
• 22:42
  Susan: And, um, so that's been a journey.
• 22:46
  Susan: I feel very passionate because of my own journey to really assist others.
• 22:52
  Susan: That find themselves in a place of not wanting to own their authentic self for what is taking place.
• 23:01
  Susan: For them, and that can be done through walking in the field and holding the place of consolation.
• 23:10
  Susan: It can be done many ways, and I really feel that inside me I'm near another mansion of I remember the day when I went, Oh my God, Bertling, what have you given to this world?
• 23:24
  Susan: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Susan: Because you're, it can support the trauma and the past, but it can support the landing, the owning of this extraordinary potential for humanity, awakening, new story.
• 23:41
  Susan: Yeah.
• 23:41
  Tracy: And that's what he did too, wasn't it?
• 23:43
  Tracy: Well, it's an awakening and an old story, actually.
• 23:46
  Tracy: Yes, he, he brought it in through a new way.
• 23:49
  Tracy: So to allow people to like yourself to come through and awaken the news story
• 23:56
  Susan: because it's very scary when you are talking, um, a reality that's very different, that's accepted in the world.
• 24:04
  Susan: We now live and you know, there's a lot of people that say, you know, they don't like this.
• 24:09
  Susan: Well, I actually do.
• 24:10
  Susan: I love it.
• 24:11
  Susan: And I have great respect for the world we live in.
• 24:14
  Susan: And when I'm talking about positions, what I love is we are not bigger than the mother planet.
• 24:21
  Susan: We are not bigger than the evolutionary process.
• 24:24
  Susan: So it can quietness down in our rage of what's happening out there because in constellations, you can reach a place of accepting what is, which gives you more strength to be able
• 24:40
  Tracy: to calm the nervous system down.
• 24:41
  Susan: Yeah.
• 24:42
  Susan: All
• 24:42
  Tracy: right.
• 24:42
  Susan: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Tracy: You can focus and be clear.
• 24:45
  Susan: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:47
  Susan: So, I don't know what's ahead in my new chapter.
• 24:52
  Susan: I'm starting to look forward.
• 24:53
  Susan: I want to be grateful for this part of my life.
• 24:56
  Susan: I'm grateful to have you in my life.
• 24:59
  Susan: Me
• 25:01
  Tracy: too.
• 25:01
  Susan: Yeah, and I feel that's going to expand.
• 25:05
  Tracy: Well, we've got a juicy adventure ahead of us, haven't we?
• 25:07
  Tracy: We
• 25:07
  Susan: have.
• 25:08
  Susan: We're doing a retreat, haven't we?
• 25:09
  Susan: I'll let you talk about it.
• 25:12
  Tracy: I can share the details in the links and that, that will come with the podcast, but yourself, Denise Warner and myself.
• 25:20
  Tracy: So there's actually three decades of, of Wisdom in that, right?
• 25:26
  Tracy: As far as, yes, not three, 30, because we've got a wise woman in her 70s, a wise woman in her 60s, and a wise woman in her 50s.
• 25:38
  Tracy: Yeah, right.
• 25:39
  Tracy: So, and what we can share and pass on to those who are coming through to hold the mantle because, you know, as we're evolving and Society has taught us, in recent, the last hundred years, to not listen to the elders.
• 25:54
  Tracy: This has been my experience.
• 25:57
  Tracy: That, you know, that it's, it's now, it's here, it's there, it's, you know, we're not even being present.
• 26:03
  Tracy: We're disconnected.
• 26:04
  Tracy: So.
• 26:04
  Tracy: Yeah, that's it.
• 26:05
  Tracy: Coming back to receiving the wisdom from the elders, coming back to connecting to our past so that we can take it forward, right?
• 26:13
  Susan: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Susan: And when I'm talking new story, it's really the ancient story.
• 26:20
  Susan: And I often talk about the returning time.
• 26:23
  Susan: We're returning, we're reclaiming, we're, um, re owning.
• 26:28
  Susan: It's not outside us, it's inside us.
• 26:30
  Susan: And the most difficult part to explain, often it's vibration alignment.
• 26:37
  Susan: And that's not words.
• 26:40
  Susan: And that's experience, that's lived experience, and that's aligning to wholeness and aligning to a deeper, deeper part of each of us.
• 26:53
  Susan: We all have it in us.
• 26:54
  Susan: We all have it.
• 26:56
  Susan: It's just awakening.
• 26:58
  Susan: We lost it.
• 26:59
  Susan: And in the last 100 years it's accelerated that, you know, that disconnection.
• 27:06
  Susan: But you know, trust what I love.
• 27:07
  Susan: This is my experience and this is how I look at it.
• 27:13
  Susan: We're not the big ones.
• 27:14
  Susan: I'm so excited we're not.
• 27:16
  Susan: So we're actually not in full charge here.
• 27:19
  Susan: And I'm excited about that, because I don't know what would happen if we were.
• 27:24
  Susan: That does mean our free will is not here.
• 27:28
  Susan: But there's something bigger taking place, that we actually haven't got words for yet, that we haven't had the, we do not have the greater understanding of yet.
• 27:38
  Susan: But it's taking place in human beings all over the planet.
• 27:43
  Susan: It's enormous.
• 27:44
  Susan: It's the next stage of evolution.
• 27:47
  Susan: And how amazing.
• 27:50
  Susan: So there's great hope for our future generations.
• 27:54
  Susan: And that hope will come through when we, we take our veil off, or take our mask off, or, and we land this.
• 28:03
  Susan: Knowing, and we land the respect and honor for this shift that's taking through individuals on the planet.
• 28:11
  Susan: Giving it a voice.
• 28:12
  Susan: Giving it a voice.
• 28:14
  Susan: Beautiful.
• 28:15
  Susan: Because it's the hope for the future.
• 28:17
  Susan: And those future generations, we're their ancestors.
• 28:22
  Tracy: Yes.
• 28:23
  Susan: Yeah,
• 28:24
  Tracy: walking through the door like you've got thousands of ancestors, right?
• 28:28
  Susan: Yeah,
• 28:28
  Tracy: which we do.
• 28:29
  Tracy: Obviously, we have millions.
• 28:30
  Tracy: But when you are connected and you acknowledge that as you're moving into somewhere, people feel it.
• 28:36
  Tracy: They feel you feel connected.
• 28:38
  Tracy: People feel it.
• 28:39
  Susan: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Susan: And I've just had a time in my life where I really connected to my great grandmother from Ireland.
• 28:48
  Susan: I went to Ireland.
• 28:49
  Susan: Um, Well, I'll share a little consternation we had online.
• 28:53
  Susan: This is why I went to Ireland.
• 28:54
  Susan: I had this feeling, do I need to go to Ireland?
• 28:58
  Susan: And so I write it down, do I need to go to Ireland?
• 29:00
  Susan: We're online, and we did a little exercise, and we had to pick out three lanes.
• 29:05
  Susan: So I picked out Ireland, I picked out the home where I live, is, we call it the Tea Tree, and Australia.
• 29:12
  Susan: And the, Man that held the place for Ireland, the tears started coming.
• 29:18
  Susan: And he's held his heart and he said, I never saw my mother again.
• 29:24
  Susan: He said, My heart was broken and I never saw mum and I knew I had just found out my great grandmother left Ireland at 19 and never went back.
• 29:36
  Susan: And there was my answer to go to Ireland and I went back for her but I really probably went back for me.
• 29:44
  Susan: You know, grandparents always get you to, yeah, it's always about you, not that, you know.
• 29:49
  Susan: And I look at her life's journey.
• 29:51
  Susan: She was a pioneer or call it what you want to change.
• 29:55
  Susan: Not her sister was 18.
• 29:56
  Susan: She was 19.
• 29:58
  Susan: They left Ireland and never saw home again.
• 30:00
  Susan: Wow How many humans have done that in our systems?
• 30:06
  Susan: And then I knew, I knew that it's already been done, this new walking in, the unknown, many times.
• 30:14
  Susan: And so I often feel her.
• 30:16
  Susan: And the other thing, I don't feel like a religious maniac when I say this, but I will share this because it reminds me of her.
• 30:26
  Susan: I was born With a beautiful love of God, very strong love of God, not religion.
• 30:32
  Susan: I was brought up Catholic, but separate to that, I just used to feel this huge heart space love of God.
• 30:42
  Susan: And I used to, even when I met my husband as a young girl, I used to be saying to him, Oh my God, I just had this love, I don't know what it is, it's just inside me.
• 30:50
  Susan: And I, Learned from my mother's sisters who are much younger that my grandmother Bridget.
• 30:58
  Susan: She was the most Love of God person out they said that my grandmother used to call her when she died.
• 31:06
  Susan: You could hear the angels in the Church.
• 31:09
  Susan: And a penny drop.
• 31:11
  Susan: That love, that love of God that I've always felt never ever came from me.
• 31:16
  Susan: It came from her.
• 31:18
  Susan: And all those Hail Marys that those Irish women had said for centuries.
• 31:24
  Susan: Because trauma can be passed on.
• 31:27
  Susan: And so can many things get passed on in our DNA.
• 31:31
  Susan: I absolutely know my love of God is, is, came from them, came from her.
• 31:38
  Susan: And It moved through me and now holds a place where maybe how we saw God is much bigger in me and is a part of the evolution.
• 31:51
  Susan: But this came from the women in my system.
• 31:54
  Susan: This, just like trauma, this was a gift of something bigger than self.
• 32:01
  Susan: And so I found that through Constellation.
• 32:04
  Susan: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Tracy: Amazing.
• 32:05
  Susan: Mm.
• 32:07
  Tracy: It's so beautiful.
• 32:09
  Susan: And I stayed with that gentleman when I was in Ireland, and he's beautiful, he's a great constellator in Ireland.
• 32:18
  Susan: Beautiful man.
• 32:20
  Susan: His generosity and his wife's generosity was beautiful, and um, yeah.
• 32:26
  Tracy: Well, same with me, hey?
• 32:27
  Susan: Yeah.
• 32:29
  Susan: So, yeah, I can't say enough about constellations.
• 32:35
  Tracy: No, me neither.
• 32:37
  Susan: Just feels my heart.
• 32:40
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 32:41
  Susan: Yeah.
• 32:41
  Tracy: I see the way it ripples through the family system.
• 32:46
  Susan: Yes.
• 32:47
  Tracy: You know, like lots of things ripple through the family system, but when you're working with constellations, the ripple, you see the healing in the, or the waves, the shifts.
• 32:57
  Tracy: And obviously not everybody likes to feel the waves, but they do.
• 33:03
  Tracy: Things do shift.
• 33:06
  Susan: I am.
• 33:07
  Susan: And I'm not being fluffy here.
• 33:08
  Susan: A lot of this has been hard work.
• 33:11
  Susan: Hard work.
• 33:12
  Susan: Hands and knees stuff sometimes.
• 33:15
  Susan: And saying no many times.
• 33:18
  Susan: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Susan: Not wanting, wanting, wanting it.
• 33:21
  Susan: But something more just kept pulling you through.
• 33:25
  Susan: And, um, yeah, the, I feel the hardest work I ever have done in my life is those five years after that visitation or whatever happened, because it was total shift of consciousness and you were being asked to let go of how you saw life.
• 33:45
  Susan: Well,
• 33:45
  Tracy: people would have wanted to put you away, wouldn't
• 33:47
  Susan: they?
• 33:47
  Susan: Well, I didn't tell them.
• 33:49
  Susan: Only my husband and a few girlfriends.
• 33:51
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Susan: And he, I begged him to put me away because I was scared of myself.
• 33:58
  Susan: And, um, I was always taken care of.
• 34:00
  Susan: I met the right people came and it took me probably 10 years to, you know, and I had these three beautiful kids.
• 34:08
  Susan: You know, um, and they kept me centred, they kept me ground.
• 34:12
  Susan: I had a four year old, that was the youngest one, and then Luke the 14 year old, and Heidi the 16 year old.
• 34:20
  Susan: So you know, I say when you're going through this call of evolution and it gets really tough, you're being asked to change your whole reality, a bigger, a bigger emerging comes through you, and yet you've got to pay the rent each week.
• 34:36
  Tracy: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:37
  Susan: And so, so it's being able to find the balance.
• 34:40
  Tracy: Yeah, it's like having one put in a different reality, isn't it?
• 34:43
  Tracy: Yeah,
• 34:44
  Susan: two worlds.
• 34:45
  Susan: I say we live in two worlds.
• 34:47
  Susan: And that is the transition though, those two worlds.
• 34:50
  Susan: It's like the transition is from the old to the new.
• 34:55
  Susan: But for me, my personal opinion is not bagging all the old.
• 34:59
  Susan: It's bowing to it.
• 35:00
  Susan: Gratitude for because of this, we've evolved to this.
• 35:05
  Susan: Yeah.
• 35:06
  Tracy: Yeah, absolutely.
• 35:07
  Tracy: I'm so looking forward to.
• 35:09
  Tracy: I'm going to see you in a couple of weeks time and see to hang out there again, which is going to be amazing.
• 35:15
  Tracy: And then you're coming to Aotearoa.
• 35:18
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Tracy: In April next year.
• 35:20
  Tracy: Really
• 35:21
  Susan: looking forward.
• 35:21
  Tracy: Our second intensive.
• 35:23
  Tracy: Looking forward to having you here as well for that.
• 35:25
  Tracy: That's going to be amazing.
• 35:27
  Susan: That's wonderful.
• 35:28
  Susan: You're doing great over there.
• 35:30
  Susan: You're women.
• 35:32
  Susan: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Tracy: Thank you.
• 35:33
  Tracy: We are, yeah, our intention is to share the work, right?
• 35:38
  Tracy: That's what it's about.
• 35:40
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 35:42
  Tracy: Because there are so many different ways.
• 35:44
  Susan: Yes.
• 35:44
  Tracy: Constellations.
• 35:46
  Susan: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Tracy: Can be, um, presented and received.
• 35:51
  Tracy: I think you find you take the bones of it when you go and have a training, receive the foundations of it and then adding it to that, your own.
• 36:02
  Tracy: Essence as well, right?
• 36:05
  Tracy: Doing your work, doing your work, doing your work.
• 36:07
  Tracy: You can't facilitate this without doing it at work.
• 36:10
  Tracy: No.
• 36:11
  Tracy: On that note, have you seen the the advertising?
• 36:15
  Tracy: This is going to be a little bit controversial.
• 36:17
  Tracy: Maybe, or conversational anyway.
• 36:20
  Tracy: Um, the advertising for the online 49 become a constellation facilitator.
• 36:26
  Susan: Oh my god, no I haven't, but I wouldn't want to.
• 36:31
  Tracy: It's all AI generated.
• 36:33
  Tracy: They say that it's, um, they, the things that's putting it together says it's accredited with three different things which do not align with constellations.
• 36:46
  Tracy: But if you don't know, you don't know, right?
• 36:48
  Tracy: Anyway.
• 36:50
  Susan: And I trust the field, Trace.
• 36:54
  Susan: And I trust this extraordinary work.
• 36:58
  Susan: And I trust the love will find its way through.
• 37:02
  Susan: And I remember.
• 37:03
  Susan: training facilitators, trainings trying to come together in all different ways through ISCA and you know, all different places.
• 37:14
  Susan: Things would fold.
• 37:15
  Susan: Things would, you cannot put this in a box.
• 37:21
  Susan: You cannot be bigger than it.
• 37:24
  Susan: You cannot, you cannot place it in a, just an academic arena.
• 37:30
  Susan: It is much, much bigger.
• 37:35
  Susan: And you know, whatever they have a go of, people have a go of, I think just hold yourself to your own truth.
• 37:43
  Susan: Um,
• 37:45
  Tracy: Thanks for that reminder.
• 37:46
  Tracy: 'cause it was irking me a little bit.
• 37:47
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Tracy: It's just, it doesn't, it didn't feel authentic and it doesn't feel safe.
• 37:53
  Tracy: And there's something in that for me to look at, I guess with why is it irking me so much.
• 37:58
  Tracy: So thanks for that reminder.
• 38:01
  Susan: Ah, well easy.
• 38:01
  Susan: It couldn't irk, but I just, I know when I first started training, I went out looking for someone to train me because I felt like I wasn't trained, you know?
• 38:10
  Susan: Um, and there, there wasn't great training places back then.
• 38:15
  Susan: So I just went to all the, um, I went to ISCA and it was wonderful and I went overseas through ISCA and learning.
• 38:22
  Susan: So can
• 38:22
  Tracy: you just share what ISCA is for those who don't know?
• 38:25
  Tracy: Isca
• 38:25
  Susan: is the international systemic constellation body and we have a regional here, Traces in New Zealand and When I first, first started, when, when I was asked to do the training, I thought, well, I've got to have something behind me.
• 38:43
  Susan: So I straight away became a member of ISCA and I wanted to do a proper training.
• 38:50
  Susan: It's not easy to do this training in this work because it's bigger than that.
• 38:56
  Susan: And so I just went to many conferences and, you know, things like that.
• 39:02
  Susan: But ISCA to me, uh, I've always had, um, uh, a deep a respect for it.
• 39:09
  Susan: And I feel it was a place where you could be who you were, who you are in the, in the work.
• 39:16
  Susan: And, uh, so, I'm still a part of it.
• 39:20
  Susan: They're having a, they're having a big, they're having a thing in Mexico, I think.
• 39:24
  Tracy: Yes, I know.
• 39:26
  Tracy: Potentially we're going to be there, right?
• 39:28
  Susan: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Susan: There'll be other stuff that try to come in on all of it.
• 39:32
  Susan: I don't, I don't know where that's all going, but what I know, this work is extraordinary.
• 39:40
  Susan: This work is bigger than the, from academia.
• 39:44
  Susan: This work comes from a place that this world needs at this moment.
• 39:50
  Susan: You just don't learn it.
• 39:52
  Susan: You can learn some of it.
• 39:55
  Susan: You are it.
• 39:56
  Susan: And so that's the uncovering, that's the healing for the wholeness.
• 40:01
  Susan: I trust that.
• 40:04
  Tracy: The more you're in the field, the more you know it, right?
• 40:08
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 40:09
  Tracy: Just for clarity for the, for, for everyone, the field being the morphogenic field that we live in, when you're condensed and you're present and you're aware of that you're holding a space.
• 40:20
  Tracy: For example, or you're resonating for someone or and we could be doing that in our daily lives without even I used to do things.
• 40:28
  Tracy: I'd say to people, I'd say things to people that I'd be like, Oh, where did that come from?
• 40:32
  Susan: Yeah.
• 40:33
  Tracy: Um, it was often exactly what they needed to hear and then constellations.
• 40:37
  Tracy: Helping me to understand where this is coming through, but so the field being the intentional field is what I'm referring to is the more we work in the intentional field as we're training or as we're evolving through constellations, the more we we recognize and know and peel back our own layers.
• 40:55
  Susan: Yeah, and the greatest.
• 40:56
  Susan: If we can hold for clients, workshops, or anything, is that you become empty.
• 41:02
  Susan: You just, and that's not easy.
• 41:04
  Susan: Because if you've got stuff in you, or if you're looking at this present world with a lot of rights and wrongs and how it should be, not easy to hold.
• 41:14
  Susan: the space container and just let it be.
• 41:19
  Susan: That in itself is teaching us to evolve.
• 41:23
  Susan: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Susan: You know, empty vessel, empty vessel, empty vessel.
• 41:27
  Susan: I would always say, if you have stuff running and you can feel it, don't say to the person, I can't stand into this constellation, you know, because, yeah.
• 41:39
  Susan: It's sparking me up too much.
• 41:42
  Tracy: Sorry, are you referring to when someone asks you to represent and you're feeling triggered and you know that, oh yeah.
• 41:49
  Susan: And the other thing I've started doing because what I'm doing personal, I feel my work is still personal for the person who is feeling that call of evolving so strong.
• 42:01
  Susan: But what I've started doing for, Uh, in the circle for the, is that a way, leaving the collective people around the circle having a place here of holding that collective.
• 42:15
  Susan: So, you're not just going to sleep on, you are a part of what's happening.
• 42:20
  Susan: The whole room is a part of what's happening and not just here.
• 42:25
  Susan: So I've started doing, holding that whole space for the active collective through the circle.
• 42:32
  Susan: Yeah.
• 42:32
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Tracy: Have any of your family
• 42:34
  Susan: experienced Constellation Week?
• 42:36
  Susan: My two sisters.
• 42:37
  Susan: My one sister, she's done all the training and everything.
• 42:41
  Susan: And the other sister who's Mother Earth herself.
• 42:44
  Susan: I was born lipstick champagne, good time.
• 42:47
  Susan: She was born mother earth and she is my baby sister and I, we, I would often do work with her.
• 42:55
  Susan: But I let me tell you when I first started doing my work, the one that started doing the training, she would bring me up and she'd say, you're doing that stuff, right?
• 43:02
  Susan: Yeah.
• 43:03
  Susan: She would actually feel it in her.
• 43:06
  Susan: She would just, she's.
• 43:08
  Susan: Yeah, she's um, yeah, so yeah, so I'm very blessed to have my sisters all participating in the work.
• 43:18
  Susan: My, my daughter, my kids had to see me live through that.
• 43:24
  Susan: Extraordinary, unusual awakening.
• 43:27
  Susan: So it did leave a little, my daughter was quite, but she's, she's slowly, she's got a beautiful heart.
• 43:37
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Tracy: Hey, so, so this morning, and I shared with you before we started recording, this morning, Some things popped in and often when I'm in the shower, I get a lot of information, the shower and the loo are two places that I get information, you know, because you're just kind of open and letting go, right?
• 43:53
  Tracy: Me too.
• 43:55
  Tracy: And one of the things that came through was secrets.
• 43:58
  Tracy: What would you be able to share for the viewers or the listeners around constellations and secrets?
• 44:05
  Susan: I would feel if we're looking at our family systems.
• 44:09
  Susan: Secrets.
• 44:11
  Susan: What's coming to my mind?
• 44:13
  Susan: I had a niece.
• 44:15
  Susan: I had a niece who every time she really got close to a male, she couldn't cope.
• 44:21
  Susan: She'd break off.
• 44:23
  Susan: Anyway, her mother started doing this work.
• 44:25
  Susan: I started doing this work.
• 44:26
  Susan: She came to me a few times.
• 44:28
  Susan: And it felt like she was standing at the edge of the ocean and I said to her, there's something here.
• 44:38
  Susan: There's secrets or something we know nothing about here.
• 44:42
  Susan: Because she got a new partner who's just beautiful.
• 44:44
  Susan: She's married in there.
• 44:45
  Susan: Because I'd say to her, if you feel like running away from him, you ring me up.
• 44:50
  Susan: Anyway, as we dug deeper and as we looked deeper, within her family, I think it was a great grandmother.
• 44:59
  Susan: The great grandfather took say half a dozen children, took them away from the mother, left her, put them on a ship and they all come to Australia.
• 45:09
  Susan: Wow.
• 45:11
  Susan: And so that mother was by the edge of the water the rest of her life, waiting for her children.
• 45:19
  Susan: This is how powerful constellations can be.
• 45:23
  Susan: So then generations after, you've got my niece standing at the edge of the water, not knowing what she's looking at, not knowing what she's looking at, can't go fully into a relationship and not trusting men.
• 45:39
  Susan: Yeah, wow.
• 45:41
  Susan: And after we disclosed all this, she's got a little daughter now, and, yeah, when you spoke, and I've also, uh, done constellations where a secret, a woman could not have conceived.
• 45:58
  Susan: And in her family system, I don't, I forget how many generations, but the great grandma had been locked away for a long time.
• 46:07
  Susan: In a mental institution after she had a child, and that used to happen sometimes, you know, when, uh, post traumatic stress disorder.
• 46:14
  Susan: You know, after the child was born,
• 46:16
  Tracy: they would call it hysteria, wouldn't they?
• 46:18
  Susan: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Tracy: Postnatal depression or, or any PMT was called.
• 46:23
  Susan: And so she would walk away and, and this girl after, you know, lots of work conceived and had a child, it's like, I could go, there's heaps of them.
• 46:34
  Susan: Like there was, you know, those big wooden boxes, big wooden boxes, uh, people put, they're like tables.
• 46:41
  Tracy: Glory boxes.
• 46:42
  Susan: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 46:44
  Susan: Or the ring I worked in had one.
• 46:47
  Susan: And this client came, and we got into the constellation, and we couldn't get our eyes off this box, and she was freezing.
• 46:56
  Susan: And how the constellation worked, within her system, eight children died in a snowstorm.
• 47:04
  Tracy: Oh my gosh.
• 47:06
  Susan: And that was like a coffin.
• 47:08
  Susan: So that, and that was representing a coffin.
• 47:11
  Tracy: Wow.
• 47:12
  Susan: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Tracy: Oh, you've given me the chills.
• 47:15
  Susan: And so you, you release this, you're not in bigger than, you can't say what will happen after it.
• 47:23
  Susan: But you allow it to flow through.
• 47:25
  Tracy: And to be seen, because that grief would have been stuck in the system, right?
• 47:28
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Tracy: It's so painful to talk about.
• 47:30
  Tracy: That was my system with my brothers that became a secret because of mum's grief, mum and dad's grief that they couldn't talk about.
• 47:37
  Tracy: So they didn't.
• 47:39
  Tracy: So it was a, well, we did hear about it once, but there are other, there are other secrets in my family.
• 47:44
  Tracy: And.
• 47:44
  Tracy: And I know of some of them.
• 47:47
  Tracy: And I feel like, I know I can see the patterns of how they're affecting other people, right?
• 47:52
  Tracy: But it's not my place to share, to say to these other people, this is their trust that when the time is right, the, the secrets will unravel and be revealed.
• 48:02
  Tracy: And do you see a pattern with, so I personally have seen a pattern, but am I wondering if you've seen it as well, like with Alzheimer's and dementia?
• 48:11
  Tracy: I
• 48:13
  Susan: don't know if I've seen a pattern, but there would have to be something.
• 48:17
  Susan: There would have to be something.
• 48:19
  Susan: My friend that's just passed away the last two years had dementia and she's probably the only person, a personal person that I've been involved with dementia and we knew each other for a long time and I knew no secrets there.
• 48:34
  Susan: I don't know.
• 48:35
  Tracy: Well, it's the thing about secrets, isn't it?
• 48:37
  Tracy: It can be.
• 48:37
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Tracy: Coming out of the closet, right?
• 48:39
  Tracy: This is it.
• 48:40
  Susan: I do know with secrets, when you're looking at global awakening, all that stuff that I'm stepping into.
• 48:48
  Susan: What I feel with secrets, is as they open, it needs to be done with such respect.
• 48:54
  Susan: Mm.
• 48:54
  Susan: And needs to, because those secrets are in place because of survival, or because of Oh, absolutely.
• 49:02
  Susan: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Susan: It's not about ripping it off and being bigger than the secret.
• 49:07
  Susan: And I look at that in our global stuff.
• 49:10
  Susan: There's a lot of stuff in our global world at the moment with a lot of loud voices.
• 49:15
  Susan: Because we are at a time when secrets or people, stuff that we, uh, have not had connection to.
• 49:25
  Susan: Maybe the galactic systems are part of our system.
• 49:28
  Susan: Maybe, you know, all this stuff.
• 49:30
  Susan: And I feel that needs to be done with respect, not bigger than.
• 49:36
  Susan: I feel that needs to be done in a way that serves, not separate.
• 49:43
  Susan: And there's many secrets.
• 49:46
  Susan: It's like our history is not the only history in our DNA.
• 49:52
  Susan: Now that may sound bizarre.
• 49:54
  Susan: That may sound too much.
• 49:56
  Susan: And I understand that.
• 49:58
  Susan: It was bizarre for me too.
• 50:00
  Susan: Releasing of some of that stuff needs to be in a way that serves, not separates.
• 50:08
  Susan: And that's where I feel constellations can serve it very well.
• 50:12
  Susan: Yeah.
• 50:13
  Tracy: Well put, absolutely.
• 50:16
  Tracy: Because everything we do is to be done in respect, right?
• 50:20
  Tracy: Even those big, ugly, um, perpetrator things that come into the field, still there is a, needs to be a respect held because if we don't, it comes back, right?
• 50:33
  Tracy: It's like this energy, if you're putting in this immense, energy into repelling.
• 50:39
  Tracy: Yes.
• 50:40
  Tracy: It will come back because everything belongs and we can, when we can see what's there, what belongs, the perpetrator, the secrets, whatever they are, and we can see them and acknowledge that they belong, then they actually can release and move on as well.
• 50:57
  Tracy: It's not like once we've said that they stick to us like an octopus, you know, and they're stuck to you forever sort of thing.
• 51:03
  Tracy: It's like they.
• 51:05
  Tracy: Ah, the system can relax.
• 51:06
  Tracy: Oh, no longer having to overwhelm and then things free up.
• 51:12
  Tracy: Absolutely.
• 51:13
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 51:14
  Susan: And rather than us trying to hold it, you can like, maybe the earth can hold it for us or a bigger system or, you know, some of the stuff is so terrible.
• 51:23
  Susan: Or so painful, too much, too much for some people, too much for humanity, too much.
• 51:33
  Susan: And so we're needing assistance of how to behold that, you know?
• 51:39
  Tracy: Yeah, absolutely.
• 51:41
  Susan: And I feel as a human, I'm very blessed to have this work to have come to me.
• 51:48
  Tracy: Yeah, don't we?
• 51:48
  Tracy: I'm so grateful for the time that we live in.
• 51:51
  Susan: Yeah, me too.
• 51:54
  Tracy: Me too.
• 51:55
  Tracy: I get to go on adventures to Indonesia with you.
• 51:59
  Susan: Yes.
• 52:01
  Susan: And swim with the turtles.
• 52:03
  Tracy: Swimming with the turtles.
• 52:04
  Tracy: I'm looking forward to that.
• 52:06
  Tracy: And you and me and Denise, it's going to be hilarious.
• 52:10
  Tracy: I can, yeah, we get on calls together.
• 52:12
  Tracy: We're just laughing all the time.
• 52:14
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 52:14
  Tracy: Trying to do, trying to organize things and we're just so busy laughing and talking and it's going to be a great, great experience.
• 52:21
  Susan: And I just like to also put on like the online business, you know, when we had Covid and that were forced to go online.
• 52:27
  Susan: You know, I had a few tantrums.
• 52:30
  Susan: Wow.
• 52:31
  Susan: Wow.
• 52:32
  Susan: It sucked like you and I today.
• 52:34
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Tracy: You weren't doing any online stuff before?
• 52:38
  Tracy: No, nothing.
• 52:38
  Tracy: I was scared.
• 52:39
  Tracy: I, I had, I had quite a few clients overseas, so I, and I hadn't been taught how to use, how to do constellations online, so I was already figuring it out.
• 52:49
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 52:50
  Tracy: And, and had been practicing for quite some time, so it was quite a smooth evolution for me.
• 52:56
  Susan: No, it's been, uh, it has been a challenge, but it's okay.
• 53:00
  Susan: And like this morning, I couldn't get my computer working and that, that feeling came back of no, no, not being able to control it.
• 53:08
  Susan: Then I said, look, it's Tracy, just relax.
• 53:12
  Tracy: Do you know what I do sometimes when things like that happens?
• 53:15
  Tracy: I just stop, take a breath.
• 53:18
  Tracy: I think there's a part of me that's already.
• 53:21
  Tracy: An hour down the track and I've already figured this out.
• 53:25
  Tracy: I think it's a cool that part of me back in to this.
• 53:29
  Tracy: Yeah, it's a great idea.
• 53:30
  Tracy: It's worked so well.
• 53:32
  Susan: And I felt that whatever that is.
• 53:34
  Tracy: That panic.
• 53:35
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 53:37
  Susan: And because when you stand up.
• 53:40
  Susan: And many people are being asked to do that in various ways.
• 53:45
  Susan: You know, things can be asked of you that you haven't done before.
• 53:48
  Susan: You know, and That's right.
• 53:52
  Tracy: Totally new territory, right?
• 53:54
  Susan: Yeah.
• 53:55
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 53:55
  Susan: That's the unknown, stepping into that unknown.
• 53:59
  Susan: Yeah, it's coming to terms with that.
• 54:02
  Susan: And I often go, look, I'm getting too old for this.
• 54:06
  Susan: And then I go, no, I'll be doing this for my last breath.
• 54:09
  Tracy: Trust, trust, trust.
• 54:11
  Tracy: Hey, and I want to put a plug in because I know how proud, I mean, I know how much you, how proud you are of all your children, but one of your children in particular has done something very big recently.
• 54:23
  Tracy: Would you like to share?
• 54:24
  Tracy: Sure.
• 54:24
  Tracy: I would.
• 54:25
  Tracy: I know you've been traveling.
• 54:27
  Susan: Yeah, my youngest son Jed, uh, with um, a rowing partner, Nikki, won the gold over in the Paralympics.
• 54:38
  Susan: It was the best experience.
• 54:40
  Susan: It was wonderful.
• 54:42
  Tracy: So the Paralympics 2024 Jed and Nicole won gold.
• 54:47
  Susan: They did.
• 54:48
  Susan: And they actually made history for Australia in the sense that there had been no, there has been no other gold, uh, done for the powers for the rowing.
• 54:58
  Tracy: Wow.
• 55:00
  Susan: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Susan: And he lost, he had a work accident, um, when he was 27 or 28.
• 55:08
  Susan: He just got married and lost his leg.
• 55:12
  Susan: And then to see him, you know, come to life fully, emerge his life forward and what he's been through to reach that full potential as a mother cannot express it.
• 55:24
  Susan: There's no words.
• 55:25
  Susan: And when he wanted to come running around to us cuz his older brother was there and my daughter's son was there and their kids and the joy.
• 55:36
  Susan: I'll never forget the joy in Jed.
• 55:38
  Susan: It was just Just amazing.
• 55:41
  Susan: So I feel really, really blessed.
• 55:43
  Susan: It was a wonderful experience.
• 55:45
  Susan: But I come home with a deeper, I always find something bigger.
• 55:50
  Susan: I come home with such a gratitude for Paralympics.
• 55:55
  Susan: Do you know they have extraordinary stories?
• 55:57
  Tracy: Yeah, I imagine.
• 55:59
  Susan: Many of them.
• 56:00
  Susan: And you have people with limbs off, you have people that have been born, You know, dwarfism and all sorts of, you know, years ago, they were so excluded.
• 56:15
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 56:16
  Susan: And this kind of brings inclusion to such a new level, also giving people potential and hope of what they can do.
• 56:27
  Susan: Yeah, it's such a great force for society.
• 56:31
  Susan: So I think the gentleman's proud of him of that.
• 56:34
  Susan: That's what I am about the gold.
• 56:38
  Susan: Yeah.
• 56:39
  Tracy: I love Wally's reaction.
• 56:40
  Susan: Oh my God.
• 56:42
  Susan: My husband, you have to meet him to ever understand this.
• 56:45
  Susan: I just
• 56:47
  Tracy: love, can I share it?
• 56:49
  Tracy: They interviewed him
• 56:51
  Susan: and he's like,
• 56:53
  Tracy: was proud of that.
• 56:55
  Tracy: Father's Day.
• 56:56
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 56:58
  Tracy: What's it like, you know, having a son in the Olympic Games?
• 57:01
  Tracy: Well, I think I bring champions.
• 57:02
  Tracy: I think we're going to go back and have some more.
• 57:04
  Tracy: I just love hearing what you're saying to Susan.
• 57:08
  Tracy: Oh my gosh, you're going to be busy.
• 57:10
  Tracy: I know.
• 57:11
  Tracy: Just leave the planning of the trip to Denise and I while you're making your children, Susan.
• 57:16
  Tracy: I know! And, you
• 57:17
  Susan: know, wherever we go, people will bring it up.
• 57:20
  Susan: It's like, only you, Wally, would say that.
• 57:22
  Susan: It's like
• 57:24
  Tracy: Wrecked me up.
• 57:25
  Tracy: So funny.
• 57:26
  Susan: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Susan: But Very grateful for it.
• 57:29
  Susan: Very grateful to have a son that was able to adapt.
• 57:33
  Tracy: Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:34
  Susan: Very grateful for consolations that I didn't go in front of his wife at that time.
• 57:40
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 57:41
  Tracy: Oh, it's so good to talk to you and we could talk for hours and maybe we'll do it again um very soon as well like maybe even closer to the intensive or or closer to our I'll put some links in the thingy thing that goes.
• 57:57
  Tracy: I'm
• 57:57
  Susan: sorry to everybody if my screen is a bit wobbly because I'm just holding it with my fingers.
• 58:01
  Tracy: All right, we can see your fingers.
• 58:03
  Tracy: It's all good.
• 58:06
  Tracy: It's all part of it, right?
• 58:07
  Tracy: Keeping it real.
• 58:08
  Tracy: She's in a caravan.
• 58:10
  Tracy: She's holding on to her own phone.
• 58:12
  Tracy: And now
• 58:12
  Susan: we're going out to Alice Springs for my husband to play in the Masters golf.
• 58:18
  Susan: Oh good on him.
• 58:20
  Susan: And then I'm coming back to fly to Sydney for the constellation.
• 58:24
  Susan: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Tracy: Fantastic.
• 58:27
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 58:29
  Tracy: I
• 58:29
  Susan: loved it, loved it.
• 58:32
  Susan: And anyone that's listening.
• 58:34
  Tracy: So grateful for, for you for giving up your time to be here to talk about constellations, to share our passion.
• 58:41
  Susan: Yes, it is our passion.
• 58:43
  Tracy: And may this, um, those who listen or watch this receive some nuggets of wisdom and maybe some insights drop in for their own field and some curiosities as well for maybe doors are opening for them to explore constellations a bit more or even dive into some training.
• 59:02
  Tracy: So thank you, Susan.
• 59:04
  Tracy: I look forward to giving you a squeeze in a couple of weeks time.
• 59:07
  Susan: Lots of love.
• 59:08
  Tracy: You too.
• 59:09
  Tracy: Aroha Nui.
• 59:11
  Tracy: Thanks everyone.