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The Late Debate | 20 Feburary · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: General, welcome to the Late to Play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 1: Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with kayleb Bond and filling
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  Speaker 1: in for Liz storer Is Lucy Zeleek. Great to have
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  Speaker 1: your company. We've got a lot to get through tonight,
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  Speaker 1: including Scott Morrison's family photo album was accidentally thrown out
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  Speaker 1: bought by a Guide knopshop, but he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: return it. We'll talk about whether or not he's doing
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  Speaker 1: the right thing a little later. Plus, when we get
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  Speaker 1: to the papers, a foreign born contract killer guilty of
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  Speaker 1: two murders gets to stay in Australia because of Labour's
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  Speaker 1: bungling of visa laws and Anthony Alberenese's two point four
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  Speaker 1: billion dollar gift to his labor mate in South Australia.
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  Speaker 1: All of that when we look at what's making news tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: But first let's talk about citizenship ceremonies, because I always
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  Speaker 1: thought the Labor government didn't care that much about citizenship ceremonies.
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  Speaker 1: After all, when Anthony Albeneze came to power, one of
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  Speaker 1: the first things he did was to tell local councils
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  Speaker 1: you can hold your ceremonies whenever you want January twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not, doesn't matter. You do what you like, how
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  Speaker 1: you like. But all of a sudden, thanks to poor
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  Speaker 1: polling and an election about to be called, citizenship ceremonies
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  Speaker 1: have become very, very important to the Albanezi government. Forget
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  Speaker 1: local councils, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, he will be
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  Speaker 1: holding them himself and he will hold them now. It's
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  Speaker 1: just come to light that in Western Sydney Tony Burke
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  Speaker 1: will be personally hosting three days of citizenship ceremonies where
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  Speaker 1: he will give out certificates to six thousand brand new
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  Speaker 1: Australians at Olympic Park. I'm starting to wonder whether on
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  Speaker 1: the back of those certificates there will be a how
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  Speaker 1: to vote card signed with love from your friends in
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  Speaker 1: the Labor Party. I'm not sure that's the case, but
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't put it past them. Peter Dutton, speaking today,
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  Speaker 1: says this thinks to high Heaven. Clearly they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: stack the electorate.
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  Speaker 3: I just question whether there has been any slackening of
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  Speaker 3: the process, whether there has been any compromise on the
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  Speaker 3: security checks, and whether it's in our country's best interests
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  Speaker 3: for people to receive citizenship before the proper security checks
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  Speaker 3: have been undertaken, or people have had within the Home
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  Speaker 3: Affairs Department the time to be able to conduct the
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  Speaker 3: searches that we would expect to be conducted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Opposition leader's got a point. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's in Australia's interest to push these
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  Speaker 1: citizenship ceremonies through, but it's probably in Labour's interest, especially
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  Speaker 1: in Western Sydney where the Muslim Votes organization is threatening
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  Speaker 1: labor seats. And that's before we talk about the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to be four years in Australia before you're
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  Speaker 1: eligible for citizenship. But just the other day we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that fully one third of people sitting
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  Speaker 1: Australian citizenship tests fail the test. As we've seen recently,
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  Speaker 1: a person who arrived in this country age twelve, now
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  Speaker 1: in his early twenties was responsible for threatening Jewish patients
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  Speaker 1: that they could be killed at a hospital in Western Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: and Bromwin Bishop made the point on this channel earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the week that maybe we ought to wait a
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  Speaker 1: little longer before we give out citizenship status to new arrivals,
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  Speaker 1: just to make sure, because there's a difference between being
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  Speaker 1: a citizen and being Australian. Caleb, this really does stink.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason for them to rush this through other
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  Speaker 1: than as I said, they're looking not to stack branches
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  Speaker 1: but to stack the electorate.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there is one good thing about this, and bear
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  Speaker 4: with me for a minute. Tony Burke has done us
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  Speaker 4: a favor here because he has demonstrated to state governments
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  Speaker 4: that you can actually take powers away from councils if
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  Speaker 4: only they take that more seriously and not just do
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  Speaker 4: it relaionship ceremonies. He said, I want it, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to do it. Why go the state government do that
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  Speaker 4: the councils all the time? The world would be a
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  Speaker 4: much better place. But the fact that it's happening, specifically
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  Speaker 4: in Western Sydney, I think is what really makes this stinking. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we've got an election coming up, we want to get
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  Speaker 4: people through.
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  Speaker 2: Before that date.
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  Speaker 4: And you might well say, okay, people have been hanging
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  Speaker 4: around waiting a long time for their citizenship and they
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  Speaker 4: probably like to vote in the coming election because they
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  Speaker 4: filled out the forms and they passed the test and
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  Speaker 4: so they probably deserve it, and that's all fine. But
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  Speaker 4: when you specifically say we're going to take all these
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  Speaker 4: councils in Western Sydney where we're worried about our votes
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  Speaker 4: and where the polling shows we're currently in a bit
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  Speaker 4: of trouble and we're going to move twelve thousand of
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  Speaker 4: you through right now, just before we call the election,
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  Speaker 4: you might just.
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  Speaker 2: Think there was something fishy about it, wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, mister Burke, he's not Tony Burke, he's Tony Biden.
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  Speaker 4: He's doing what he's doing what the Dems were doing
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  Speaker 4: before the presidential election. There were states like Texas were
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  Speaker 4: trying to clean up their elector roles and the Biden
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  Speaker 4: administration took them to court to prevent them from taking
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  Speaker 4: a legal migrant.
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  Speaker 1: To be fair, Tony Birk's dealing with people who are alive.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 6: But clearly he's taken a page out of the Biden
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  Speaker 6: and nomics. But playaboo key because he's clearly recognized that
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  Speaker 6: right now we need to really pay attention to the
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  Speaker 6: labor heartland here in the West of Sydney and ensure
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  Speaker 6: that we have a stranglehold when it comes to the
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  Speaker 6: election in these particular votes. But why do you think
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  Speaker 6: that all those illegal immigrants were flooding the boarders over
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  Speaker 6: there in the US because they knew that this was
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  Speaker 6: going to be away for them, particularly with just how
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  Speaker 6: poor their system is over there and that you don't
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  Speaker 6: have to officially register or show any type of documentation
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  Speaker 6: pre Trump. Now, of course it's been one of the
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  Speaker 6: biggest talking points for him, But now this is something
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  Speaker 6: that stinks so badly that for me, even if you
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  Speaker 6: are a labor voter, this is something that frustrates me
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  Speaker 6: so much about people in politics right and those of
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  Speaker 6: us who look at this, whether you have voted Liberal
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  Speaker 6: or Labor your whole lives, to really remove yourself from
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  Speaker 6: this attachment to the party that you have potentially been
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  Speaker 6: rusted on too and voted for all of these years,
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  Speaker 6: and look at their behaviors, look at their policies. Is
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  Speaker 6: this something that you'd be proud of? Is this something
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  Speaker 6: that you look at and go, oh, this doesn't look
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  Speaker 6: dodgy at all. It's just trying to wave through all
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  Speaker 6: these people so that he can get them to vote
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  Speaker 6: for the Labor Party in this year being a federal election.
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  Speaker 2: It's just yuck.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're not grossed.
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  Speaker 6: Out by this in politics, and if these are your
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  Speaker 6: politicians and people you're historically voting for, then this is
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  Speaker 6: the time now to get on the yuck train, because
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  Speaker 6: it's ended straight for hell.
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  Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like Peter Dutton has nothing sorry, Tony Burke
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do. He's the Immigration minister, he's the
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  Speaker 1: Home Affairs minister. God knows we've got enough problems in
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  Speaker 1: those areas at the moment. So for a senior government
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  Speaker 1: minister to the vote not one, not two, but three
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  Speaker 1: days to hang out at Olympic Park shaking hands of
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  Speaker 1: new voters citizens certainly shows where his priorities are right now.
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  Speaker 1: They're not the national interest becoming.
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  Speaker 4: Election indeed, and of course it's a great opportunity for
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  Speaker 4: him to get himself in front of two thousand potential voters, right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's also why because the councilors and our.
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  Speaker 4: Spitting chips and saying, oh, well, we've had the right
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  Speaker 4: taken away from us to host these ceremonies that we
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  Speaker 4: were going to do, and the mayors are equally upset
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  Speaker 4: that they don't get to put their faces in front
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  Speaker 4: of these people because it's an opportunity to press the flesh.
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  Speaker 4: But that's exactly how Burke will be treading it. This
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  Speaker 4: is an opportunity to get twelve thousand potential voters to
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  Speaker 4: look him in the eye and shake his hand. And
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  Speaker 4: the power that kind of thing when you are canvassing
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  Speaker 4: for votes is so important by.
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  Speaker 2: The way he wants to do it.
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  Speaker 1: If you had the national interest at heart and you
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  Speaker 1: want to help these people become Australians, and you do
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  Speaker 1: the right thing, and you have your coalition equivalent on
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  Speaker 1: stage with you, and you shake hands together, and you
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  Speaker 1: do it as a sign of unity.
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  Speaker 5: That's their agender.
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  Speaker 1: That's not help Peon who thought about the country right
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  Speaker 1: than himselves.
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  Speaker 6: No, dude was coming in like the White Knight on
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  Speaker 6: the second.
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  Speaker 5: I am I'm the reason count dreams.
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  Speaker 4: He's so idealist, James sometimes so idealistic.
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  Speaker 2: Will slowly keep me out of you.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you started your career as a journalist, right,
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  Speaker 4: you should.
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  Speaker 2: Be cynical like me. No, No, it was somehow, somehow
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  Speaker 2: he missed that little bit of training when he has.
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  Speaker 1: Got to be cheople in this country.
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  Speaker 4: While we're talking about the alban Easy government, let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about their social media band Because the e Safety Commissioner
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  Speaker 4: that E. Karen as she is, who keeps an eye
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  Speaker 4: on what we're doing online and then makes recommendations about
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  Speaker 4: how our rights and freedoms should be taken away from us,
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  Speaker 4: has done a survey of how many children are actually
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  Speaker 4: using social media right now and how many of them
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  Speaker 4: are avoiding the age restrictions that are already in place,
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  Speaker 4: and would you believe it, it's a hell of a
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  Speaker 4: lot of them. According to a new Safety sorry Commission report,
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  Speaker 4: about eighty percent of kids aged eight to twelve, or
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  Speaker 4: one point three million children, accessed one or more social
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  Speaker 4: media services last year in breach of existing limits of
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  Speaker 4: thirteen years old on most platforms.
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  Speaker 2: Who would a thunk it? Kids quite inventive, know how
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  Speaker 2: to get around.
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  Speaker 4: Things limits rules. Who cares about them? We'll just go
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  Speaker 4: on it anyway. But the government says this is all
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  Speaker 4: the more reason we need to bring in our rules
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  Speaker 4: to ban kids from using social media. The Communications Minister,
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  Speaker 4: Michelle Roland says adding the new age limit restrictions would
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  Speaker 4: help parents navigate these challenges with their kids. Parents can
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  Speaker 4: feel empowered to have conversations with their children about having
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  Speaker 4: social media accounts and.
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  Speaker 2: Simply say no, it's not allowed.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, Michelle, I will admit I haven't looked into
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  Speaker 4: your family status. I don't know whether you.
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  Speaker 2: Have any children.
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  Speaker 1: You have children.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, James' into it. He knows she has
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  Speaker 4: two children. At least, you know. He might be idealistic,
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  Speaker 4: but he has done some research that I failed to
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  Speaker 4: do before the show. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: She's got two.
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  Speaker 4: Children, so surely she would know that simply saying to kids, know,
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  Speaker 4: it's not allowed doesn't always work. And also saying the kids, actually,
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  Speaker 4: it's illegal doesn't always work because rules are already in
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  Speaker 4: place that say they shouldn't be using social media.
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  Speaker 2: But somehow they're going to waive the magic government long.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell them you're going to be fixed?
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  Speaker 6: Can I tell you what I found to be the
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  Speaker 6: most hysterical about.
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  Speaker 1: All of this?
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  Speaker 6: And I love this the quote that came out of it.
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  Speaker 6: A handful of platforms are increasingly adopting proactive tools to
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  Speaker 6: identify underage users, such as.
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  Speaker 5: Analysis of vocabulary, emoji.
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  Speaker 6: Use, location patterns indicating school attendance, and time spent playing
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  Speaker 6: online games or watching cartoons popular among children.
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  Speaker 5: That's me and my husband like color.
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  Speaker 6: Seriously, I'm watching cartoons.
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  Speaker 5: With my kids.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, some of my emoji use has been pretty
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  Speaker 6: done embarrassing as well, left, right and center, almost an
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  Speaker 6: overuse of emojis. But if that these are your proactive tools,
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  Speaker 6: these are your spidey senses, tingling that perhaps this user
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  Speaker 6: may be underage. If that's all you've got, that's pretty absurd, right.
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  Speaker 5: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: And I think was it Barry Goldwater, the late Republican
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  Speaker 6: senator who said, and I love this quote, government should.
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  Speaker 5: Stay the hell out of people's business. I'm a parent,
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  Speaker 5: Let me parent my children.
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  Speaker 6: And when it comes to it, if they want social media,
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  Speaker 6: guess what not in my house, sweetheart.
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  Speaker 5: And these are my rules, and for as long as
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  Speaker 5: you live under this roof, you will abide by them.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what we need to be doing.
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  Speaker 6: We need to be empowering parents with the tools and
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  Speaker 6: encouraging them.
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  Speaker 5: To actually parent.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, it's a novel idea out there Australia, but you
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  Speaker 6: can do it.
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  Speaker 4: And my big mister Elbow said you shouldn't go on
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  Speaker 4: the social media. So that's the end of it isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Very elbow tells you that's.
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  Speaker 1: A funny thing. Right, So Michelle Rowlands imagines that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to get your kids to do what
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  Speaker 1: you want because they don't respect you. But if you
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  Speaker 1: tell them the E Safety Commissioner, she says you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be on a social media account, suddenly you're
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  Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen year old daughters. Oh oh well, if the
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  Speaker 1: commission says, then I won't touch it. The problem they
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  Speaker 1: have is that this same review by the E Safety
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  Speaker 1: Commission found that of all of these kids on social
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  Speaker 1: media who ought not to have been, fifty four percent
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  Speaker 1: of them, you know how they access social media accounts
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  Speaker 1: through their parents' account. This is a parenting issue, and
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  Speaker 1: so educate parents on the dangers, educate parents on some
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  Speaker 1: things that they could do, but leave the role to
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  Speaker 1: mums and dads, because trying to police it is never
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  Speaker 1: going to work. The only way they can do it,
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  Speaker 1: and they've already canvassed it, is to impinge upon everybody's freedom. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: give the job to mums and dads. Do that. My
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  Speaker 1: kids didn't get a smartphone until they were thirteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: Even now, I think that was probably still too young,
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  Speaker 1: but they were old compared to all of their friends
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  Speaker 1: who had had them, and they winged and whined and
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  Speaker 1: said it's not fair. But they did that about ice creams,
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  Speaker 1: they did that about bedtime, kids do that about everything.
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  Speaker 1: Parent your kids. You're not their friend, you're not their mate,
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  Speaker 1: You're their parent. Be a parent, and the government should
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  Speaker 1: be helping people to recognize that, rather than taking responsibility
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  Speaker 1: off them and treating parents like, oh, we know you
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  Speaker 1: can't discipline your children, let us help you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Just here here, let's talk about the anti Semitism summit
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  Speaker 1: that was held today, and I have to say, as
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  Speaker 1: Sky News staff, it makes you incredibly proud to work
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  Speaker 1: for a network that stages something like this that is
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  Speaker 1: so important at this time in our nation's history. Was
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  Speaker 1: organized by Shari Marson and Alex Rivchen. Both of them
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  Speaker 1: did an outstanding job with some brilliant guests. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about some of the highlights and low lights in just
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  Speaker 1: a moment, but have listened to Shary Marx and our
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  Speaker 1: Sky News colleague. She introduced the summit. Here's some of
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  Speaker 1: what she had to say.
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  Speaker 7: The idea that we be confronting violent extremism driven by
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  Speaker 7: an irrational hatred would have once seemed unthinkable and absurd,
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  Speaker 7: and it is absurd. We are here today because we
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  Speaker 7: will not accept this as our new reality. We won't
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  Speaker 7: tolerate feeble action any longer.
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  Speaker 1: Sherry markson like ninety nine percent of the speakers spoke
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  Speaker 1: with heart, spoke with passion, spoke with conviction, and gave
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  Speaker 1: the subject the Duke gravitus that it deserves. Have listened
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  Speaker 1: to former Prime Minister John Howard. He was talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that anti Semitism is such a specific form
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  Speaker 1: of bigotry, you've got to call it out specifically. None
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  Speaker 1: of this generalization that we've been accustomed to over the
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  Speaker 1: past fifteen months.
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  Speaker 8: This is not something that can be allowed to just
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  Speaker 8: fester in the belief it will go away, And it
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  Speaker 8: was not something that could be dealt with by general
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  Speaker 8: denunciations of discrimination. The atrocity of the seventh of October
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty three saw the largest number of Jewish people's
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  Speaker 8: slaughters in the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 1: That's the fact. I was sitting at the synagogue today
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  Speaker 1: listening at the summit, and John Howard got up to speak,
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  Speaker 1: and you thought a leader, a leader we haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: a leader for so long in this country. Then our
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General got up, who's supposed to be a leader,
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  Speaker 1: and he began, well, you know how he'll begin.
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  Speaker 9: I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land
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  Speaker 9: on which we meet, and pay my respects to their
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  Speaker 9: illness past and present. I extend that respect to all
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  Speaker 9: Aboriginal and torrest right island to people here today. I
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  Speaker 9: acknowledge the many distinguished people participating in today's Sky News
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  Speaker 9: Anti Semitism summit.
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  Speaker 1: When the most senior labor figure, in fact, I think
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  Speaker 1: the only federal labor figure at the summit, got up
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  Speaker 1: to speak. He's the most senior lawmaker in this country,
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  Speaker 1: and God knows we've got some problems with the laws
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  Speaker 1: in this country. When he gets up and he begins
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  Speaker 1: with I want to acknowledge, etc. So that you could
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  Speaker 1: hear the audible groans, everybody thought, here we go, and
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  Speaker 1: they weren't wrong.
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  Speaker 9: The Australian Government stands with Jewish Australians in the fight
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  Speaker 9: against anti Semitism whenever and wherever it occurs. The Australian
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  Speaker 9: Government has expressly condemned words and acts of hate directed
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  Speaker 9: at Jewish people. The Albanezy government has not just talked
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  Speaker 9: about anti semitism. We have acted and we will keep acting.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with some credit for the Attorney General. He
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  Speaker 1: did turn up to what I suppose he probably knew
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  Speaker 1: would be a hostile audience. So points for being there,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's something.
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  Speaker 5: Why are you giving him points for that?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to be generous. But I'll get to
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  Speaker 1: my criticism now.
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't think he need to be though.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you're right, he probably he is doing
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  Speaker 1: his job.
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  Speaker 6: He needs to front up, he needs to be. They're
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: not giving him points for doing the bare minimum.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: James, Yeah, fair cop, fair call. Well, you know, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: don't know at what point in his speech he decided
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been there, but fairly early on it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: looked like he just decided, you know what, I'm going
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to read this speech, get through it and get out
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of here as fast as I can. Because for all
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: intents and purposes, he could have been reading from the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: phone book. He had that little passion, that little concern
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: would probably if.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: He'd read from the phone book, because you would have
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: been able to call them up and probably get a
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: little more sense out of them him.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And even when he was doing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: The acknowledgment of country, he had like a smirk on
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: his face as the crowd sort of jeered him a bit,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: almost like he wanted it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: He was like, oh, yes, good, I knew this was
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: It proves all the points I came here to make
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: that they don't really want to hear from me. But
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: can you blame the audience for jeering him in the
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: way they did when they have a bloke and you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I know he's kind of the whipping boy that the
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Labor Party puts up because he's a Jewish man himself.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: So well, we'll send you off to the summit.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You can go and talk to the Jews.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Right, So he rocks up and all these people are
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: incensed as well they should be that the federal government
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: has done very little about anti Semitism for fifteen months
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: that Albaneze danced around at more flip flops than Bondai Beach.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: He was over here, he's over there.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, it's a problem, but Islamophobia is a problem
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: as well. And oh, you know, I'll eventually go and
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: visit the synagogue after it's been five bombed, it took
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: me a week to do it, et cetera. Right, he
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: has just had no moral clarity whatsoever on any of this,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and he rocks up and he almost indignant that people
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: gendered him what did you expect was going to happen?
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: And after he was invited? Right, this is an event
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: held by sky News. He is an invited guest of
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Charry Marksen and Alex Rivchen and sky News. And he
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: has the goal towards the end of his speech to say, oh,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: the issue of anti Semitism should not be weaponized to
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: get television ratings.
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: Take a look, anti Semitism cannot and must not be
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: weaponized in the pursuit of votes. It must not be
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: weaponized in the pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings either.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Now what did he mean by that?
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: What do you mean it should not be weaponized in
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: the pursuit of newspaper sales and television ratings. If it
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: wasn't happening, we wouldn't be talking about it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, what did he think?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: We just had the anti Semitism summit because we thought
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: it had do okay on the ratings.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we do okay on the ratings as it is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: How about we actually want to talk about the issues
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: that face this nation.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That's not the rating, but that's the reality to do it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: This is a problem because when you start to have
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: the discussion with these politicians and put it to them,
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: particularly with respect to how they've handled these issues, they
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: start to shirk responsibility and use the weaponization, so called
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: weaponization of the discussion of anti semitism, and they weaponize
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: it themselves and turn.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: The focus on the media.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: So I remember having a conversation with the Federal Minister
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: for Aged Care and Sport, Arnika Wells, and she also
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: had a go at Sky after Dark and all the
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: rest of me in my conversation with her, because the
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: question was put, you know, Lucy, how do you feel
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: about how the government of the days handled the situation
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: with respect to anti Semitism? And I said, look, had
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Anthony Alberinezi come out and everyone has said it, We've
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: heard it ad nauseum. He come out on October eighth
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: and condemned the protest and took a really strong stance there,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: and then I don't think we'd be having, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: these types of conversations to the gravity that we have
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: been over the last fifteen months. And then when it
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: was put to her about it, right and kind of saying, well,
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: these are some strong comments about the government. How do
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: you feel about this? Oh, well, I don't want to
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: feed into a sky after dark narrative, because I had said,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: but with all due respect, you've got the Prime Minister
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: of the country playing tennis the day after a synagogue's
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: fire bond, and she's bringing sky after dark into it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: And I said, what does that have to.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: Do with the Prime Minister making the decision to put
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: his whites on go and smack a ball out on
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: a tennis court.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: What does that have to do with it? What does
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: the Meania's response to this have.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: To do with it, which, by the way, has been
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: rightfully condemning all of these shocking attacks of anti Semitism
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: and what we've been seeing unfold across the country.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: So it to me it's just such a cheap and
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: cowardly way to address the issue, because for them, they've
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: got to recognize that they haven't dealt with this well.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And the irony is right. Before he made that comment
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: about anti Semitism should not be weaponized, he gave an
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: example of a vote in Parliament that didn't go his
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: way that he felt would have helped the Jewish community,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: so he weaponized it. Then he criticized people for weaponizing it,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: which was ANIMI the way of weaponizing it, and the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: crowd were up to it, and everyone knew exactly what
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he was doing. And I must say Sharry Markson, who
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was very gracious at the end of his speech, did
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: call him out on that, and she did not miss
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and I think he left the building fairly quickly afterwards.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Funny about that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: And of course if you want to watch anything from
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that summer today the full interviews or the full summer
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Kertiska News dot com dot Au. Now a case back
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two Cassius Turvey, who was a fifteen
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: year old boy who died in Western Australia after he
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: was allegedly set upon by a group of people. Now
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the trial for this case has just recently started. The
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: prosecutors are saying that he was knocked to the ground
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and deliberately stracked to the head with a metal poll. Now,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: because this is a trial that is ongoing, I'm not
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: going to talk any more about the specifics of the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: case because I don't want to jeopardize it in any way,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: but what I do want to talk about is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The reaction when he died.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Now, Cassius Turvy was an Aboriginal boy, a fifteen year
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: old Aboriginal boy, and so there was an outcry after
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: he died, he died ten days after he was allegedly attacked,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: that this was a racist attack, that this was a
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: racially motivated attack.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: On an Aboriginal boy.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: You can see the headline there that Al Jazeera ran
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: with the racist killing of Cassius Turvy. That chopped Australia,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and even the Prime Minister brought into it at the time.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: He's Anthony Albanezi in October twenty twenty two talking about this.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: This is just a terrible tragedy.
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: And this attack that clearly is racially mot just breaks
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: your heart. We're a better country than that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: It's clearly racially motivated, he says, and he finishes, we
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: are a better country than that. Well, Prime Minister, we
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: are a better country than that. Because it has now
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: come to light in the trial that it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Was not a racially motivated attack.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: In fact, the prosecutor, this is the person running the case,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: said there was not one shred of evidence that this
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: was a racially motivated attack, and Anthony Albanezi, the Prime
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Minister and all his race baiting mates three years ago
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: could not wait to say that because an Aboriginal boy
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: had died after an alleged attack, that it was a
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: racially motivated attack. Well, Prime Minister, now, knowing that the
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: country is better than you thought it was back then,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: when will your apology be forthcoming? You stood up and
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: made it look like we are a country full of
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: people who were just set up pot an Aboriginal boy
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: when you had no evidence of that being the case,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: and it is now said in court that he's not
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: the case at all. He should apologize yesterday, let alone
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: today and.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, and what are the chances zero?
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Of course I saw, I just saw a pink line.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, quickly bracious.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Now it wasn't just a prime minister, an activist at
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Curtin University who doubles as a lecturer in justice. Would
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you believe it? Said? The refusal of police at the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: time of the crime to talk about racism was extremely disappointing. Now,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: at the time police said we're not going to talk
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: about motives because we're still investigating. We haven't established what
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: it was, but the Nunga nation, that's the area of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: indigenoity where the crime was committed. They put out a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: joint statement talking about black deaths in custody, the stereotyping
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of black children, that there's no black people on juries,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and even asked what if this was a white kid
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: who had been killed? What would be happening now we
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: turn out now we find out it had absolutely nothing
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to do with race. And also they've got the Prime minister,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you've got university academics, you've got aboriginal activists, and every
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: single one of them were wrong. There will be a
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: conger line of apologies there.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Should be, but there's not going to be. Let's be
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: real about this and face facts.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: They're not going to issue an apology on this. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: the thing is right, what proof did everyone have? We've
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: already said, but what proof did everyone have that this
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: was racially motivated other than the color of Cassier's skin.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: If that's not racist, then I don't know what is right.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: And I'll tell you if it was a white boy
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: that was killed, there certainly will never be protests or
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: vigils or go fummies are all these things being held
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: at the nationwide level.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: So for me, I think that this was summed up really.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Well by Andrew Ruhl and Mark Butler who wrote about
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: this in The Herald Sun, where they said the facts
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: are awful enough for the Turvy family without any needless spin,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: speculation and rumor. The simple fact is that Cassius Turvy
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: was assaulted while coming home from school and died ten
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: days later.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Isn't that all we had to go off, not just
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: then but now? But instead it got blown up to
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: be this issue about race.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: And again, Australians are so tired of this. We are
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: so fatigued by these conversations.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Anytime any level of.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Injustice occurs at know, to a minority group, to an
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Indigenous Australian, to a woman, all of a sudden, it's sexism,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: All of a sudden, it's racism.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: I'm so sick of the labels.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: When do we move past this and start treating each
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: other as fellow Australians, not an Indigenous Australian and ethnic
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Australian a Chinese like we are fellow Australians in this country,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: and we are so tired of feeling as though we
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: are secondary citizens to the indigenous, and it needs to
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: be said because too many times and in cases like this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: look at how harmful something like this can be. You
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: can get people really hot instantly thinking that, right, I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: feeling if I'm a person of color, I'm feeling as though,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: if anything happens to me now all of.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: A sudden, it's going to be racially motivated. Enough is enough.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And we talked about weaponization before because it cause Dreyfus said, oh,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: anti Semitism shouldn't be weaponized for television ratings, et cetera.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: But what we're talking about here is the case of
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: an Aboriginal boy dying that was weaponized for the purposes
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: of racial politics, right, falsely weaponized for the purposes of
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: racial politics. And the Turvy family has obviously gone through enough.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: His mother has done excellent work in Michelle.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: He's a beautiful since and then she's.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Been the West Australian of the Year, et cetera, because she's,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you know, said, the legacy of my child is never
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: going to die, and good on her for doing it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: She she also donated to Caleb. Don't forget all of
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: the money that was raised. She donated them to youth charities.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Et cetera to assist with them.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: But they have been through enough without people Anthony Alberaninzi
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: running around using the death of a dead boy to say, oh, well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make a point about racial politics here.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing he was. The death was weaponized.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And if Albow and all his mates want to walk
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the walk about racism, they now have to come out
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and apologize for what they said.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Otherwise they are admitting that they don't really care. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: black I didn't give us. It doesn't matter. You're just
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: there to be part of my war on race.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I think Lucy, you made a really good point that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the claim of prejudice in that killing revealed the prejudice
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of the people making the claim, of course, And isn't
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the contrast interesting with Anthony Alberanzi coming straight out of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the blocks racism Australia has got to be better than that,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: compared to his very slow tortoiselight response to anti Semitism,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: where there's a lot of equivocation, and it just goes
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to show that the prejudice and the bias of those
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: people who were very quick out of the blocks. Talk
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: about Victoria for a moment because they're in all sorts
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of trouble but trying to extricate themselves. You remember, just
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Into Alan just a week ago, came out and said,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bail laws are too soft. We need to do something
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: about them. We're going to have a review, and we are.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Really she's had to come to Jesus moment, except she
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: forgot to tell her police minister, who didn't know anything
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: about the review. Well, she's had another Damascus Rode conversion,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: suddenly realizing we need to go through the state's finances
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and eliminate waste because there's too much wastage of taxpayer money.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Just into Allan, the Premier of Labor,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Victoria is saying this. Her treasurer is kind of on board,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: but you remember her treasurer is still trying to come
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to terms with economic lingo. She put out an email
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to treasury staff recently saying, Hey, when you email my office,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: please don't use too many economic terms because I've only
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: been in the job a week and I'm still trying
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to learn what it all means. Here she is speaking
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to the media today. It was the fund the.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: Fiscal strategy, which is the five step well documented. People
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: don't like the language fiscal strategy, I don't think, which
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: is why I refer to it as the plan. But
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: you understand us what I'm talking about when I talk
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: about fiscal strategy, the five step plan in relation to
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: stabilizing debt.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Oh confidence, she's learned a new word, official strategy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Well done, Jacqueline.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: She goes on to say she's going to have a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: quote laser focus on every dollar of expenditure. What an
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: amazing thing for the Victorian labor government to do a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: laser focus. They're going to start now, why didn't they
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: start nine years ago? Why didn't they start when they
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: proposed to hold the Commonwealth Games and then paid millions
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of dollars not to or spend forty thousand dollars on
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a dining room table.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Lovely table, lovely table, spent.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: What was it, over a billion dollars on the my key.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: System last point one point seven.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, laser focus. You don't need laser the focus blind.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Freddy can see all the wastage that's happened in Victoria
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: under their leaders.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: They could do with a few lasers to go through
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: and burn some stuff. But can you imagine Jeckeln Simons.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if you must go home
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: to her parents.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I learned and you word today, Mummy and Daddy fiscal
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: fiscal strategy.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Don't you believe it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I'm the Premierre Victoria.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm implete.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely pathetic, this mob.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you wouldn't trust them to organize and you
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: know what in a brothel, seriously, and they are in
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: charge of the state.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing. Daniel Andrews pulled.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: The greatest swifty of all time when he sniffed the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: wind and worked out that the tide had turned just
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: a little too far for him and he said, okay,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I'm out of here. So he's gone off. He's signed
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: up as the chair of a mental health youth mental
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: health board, and he's taken on a job with the
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Pratts and now he's an adviser to Anthony Alberizi in
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: the lead up to the election.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He's doing really well for himself.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: And on the way out he handed the absolute you
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: know what sandwich that he created over Cina Allen and
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: her cronies and said you go and.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Sort that and annoy it. What's happened to them? What's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: happened to that. It's absolutely handed.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: The hilarious thing is right there. So they've announced a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: review when they'll get someone in, a former Secretary of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Cabinet to come in and do this review to work
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: out how many public servants they should sack to try
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and get the budget back under control. But last year
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the Department of the Premier spent one point one five
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: million dollars on external consultants to advise what do we
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: do about public servant numbers? As we all know, public
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: servent numbers have just kept going up. Of course, they
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: announced these reviews to try to fool everybody into thinking, oh,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they're doing something about it, they're taking it seriously, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it won't make any difference. It will just cost taxpayers
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: even more money.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Can I just tell you something, if they end up
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: voting in labor again next year in November, I will
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: I'm promising you right now on the air, I will
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: never ever come to Victoria ever again.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: You can't do it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: You can't do it to yourselves and you cannot do
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: it to us. Given everything that's been put on display here,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: the misadventure when it comes to taxpayer spending, the absolute
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: shambolic debt that they are in. You know, this is
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: also the government as well that gave I think it
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: was about five hundred thousand dollars to the sick community
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: to celebrate their religious leaders five hundred.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: And fifty fifth birthday. And we're renaming suburbs.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Right right, the noses of Social Security.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was exactly. He'd been on the register also
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: over in the US. Don't worry about that. But when
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: you just really start.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: To drill down into how shocking they have been with money,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: and then you get someone like a Jacqueline Simes who says,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: this was her verbatim email that was apparently leaked, stop
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: using economic terms and phrase in all communications, emails, et.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Cetera with the treasurer. And she doesn't have a clue
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: what they are talking about.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: You know what, we didn't need that to come out
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: because we you talk, Jack, and we can see you
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: don't have a damn clue.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: What you're talking of.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Honesty in politics. He so you say you won't go
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: back there. No, I've got to.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Keep going back there because it's the only place in
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the country that's got jumps racing. But when they have
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the election next year twenty twenty six right, that would
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: give them another four years which goes through to twenty thirty.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: But you mightn't even have to worry about it because
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Victoria is in such a parlas. The Yarra Council has
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: commissioned what they call a piece of art. I don't
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: know that it really qualifies as a piece of art, but.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: It's a doomsday the piece of something right and.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Put up in the Edinburgh Gardens in Fitzroy and it
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: is counting down the minutes and seconds to doomsday, which
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: is apparently in twenty twenty, sorry, twenty thirty according to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: that clock. Eighteen grand the council spent on that someone
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: was given a woman was given eighteen grand to get
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: a bit of concrete and bug an led screen in
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: the middle, but with a ticking down.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Can we put that image back on the screen again
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: so viewers can see it. That plinth once supported a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: statue of Queen Victoria. Oh, how that plinth has fallen?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: They were on top of it. How is that a workut?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: A box with a solar panel of course on top.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And you go to Fitzroy Gardens in Melbourne so you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: can look at a doomsday clock set to twenty thirty,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: because that's when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change we
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: don't produce put by that stage, then we're all doomed. Honestly,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the only person who will enjoy that display is Greta Tunberg.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: She will think that is marvelous. But every other Victorian
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: eighteen thousand dollars for that, can you believe it?
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I want her to be there when it ticks down
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: to zero and then the world just keeps going on.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: After that, they should all hang and have a vigil
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: and they're all going to die to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Be on fire now, according to her, we're going to
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: go to a break.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in tomorrow's PA, including a foreign born killer guilty of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: not one, but two murders allowed to stay in Australia
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: because labor have bungled the visa guidelines. That's coming up
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in just a moment. Welcome back. Let's take a look
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: at what's making news tomorrow. There's a lot of news around.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: We'll start with tomorrow's front page of The Australian. You've
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: got that, Caleb, indeed, and I apologize.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I know it's a Thursday night and you're trying to
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: slip nicely into the weekend. This will make your blood boil,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: but it's the reality, so we've got to show it
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: to you. Grow tesque moment calculated to break a nation's heart.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Hamas staged a horrific and inhumane handover of four dead
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: hostages out of the young Berbas family and one of
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: the oldest hostages. I did Liftshits eighty three on Thursday night,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: ignoring please by Israel and the International Red Cross for
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: a respectful handover in private. Hamas had prominently displayed four
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: black coffins at the front of the stay, in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: same location where six previous handovers of.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Live hostages took place.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Now you'll be able to see the images there of
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: those coffins on the stage there, of course, this is
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: part of their propaganda machine right and behind them behind
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: those coffins is an image of Benjamin Nette Yahoo, which
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: you can't see in full. His head's not visible in
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the photo, but he is depicted there as Dracula. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: then the photos you can see below him are of
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: the Bibas family who are dead, and in those coffins
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: the mother and Kafir and little Ariel, which of course
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Sharry has been talking about recently and mister Lifshitz. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: on the edge of the stage, next to the coffins
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: are a couple of missiles which have written on them
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: they were killed by USA bombs.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: They meaning the hostages, who of course.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Are now dead, can see down the front of that
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: image it says at the front of the stage, we
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: never forgave nor forgot our AXA flood, which is what
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: they call the attack on October seven, was our promise.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, is it not enough that you are handing
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: back dead Israelis in exchange for living Palestinian prisoners, that
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: you then had to go and turn it into some
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Show, as though they deserved it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it is hard to think of
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: anything more callous. It's bad enough that people were taken,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: and of course, if you're the Bibas family or the
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Lifshitz family, that you have lost a person in that circumstance,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: but to then, at the moment before you get to
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: take them back so you can bury them and treat
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: their death in the best way you possibly can. They're
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: paraded before the world like that.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: What do you say?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from Penny Wong on this I'd
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: love Penny Wong to come out plain looking at that photograph,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: or worse, looking at the images of how it all
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: played out. Explain to me how you can say Israel
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: must show restraint. Tell me one parent who would show restraint,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Tell me one family member, tell me one government that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: would show restraint when that's what's being done to their babies.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: How Penny one can call for a ceasefire Israel should
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: get all of their hostages back and then go straight
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: back in until every last Hamas terrorist is killed. How
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Penny one can call for a two state solution when
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the people you're asking to partner with Israel for peace
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: are doing this as part of the ceasefire program. It
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: just boggles my mind.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: What about what they did to that? What about what
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: they did to their women? What about what they did
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: to their women?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Or when you go on all night about that, I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: must have done and I.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Had to apologize to the both of you, and I
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: hope it doesn't happen again, because I actually broke down
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: in tears when I saw the photographs of these coffins,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: their little baby. That's little babies in there, it's kids
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: in there, And if you're a parent, and you look
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: at that and that doesn't really strike a chord with
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: you that I'm not sure what will. And the toll
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: that this has taken on so many people right just
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: observing this as parents, watching the heartbreak unfold, and the
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: fact that they have the right or even the ability
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: to stand back and say those on the Palestinian side
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: that you know what, well, look at what you've done
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: to us, look at what's been going on historically, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: to feel as though that is somehow justified when you
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: look at photographs of baby coffins in all of this. Right,
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: And we spoke about it last night and we said,
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: there are innocent lives that have been lost on both
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: sides of the fence here, right, and needlessly lost. This
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: needs to come to an end, right. But none of
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: this would have happened if those precious babies and all
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: of those lives that were taken that day on October seven,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: none of this would have occurred had they not made
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: that decision to do that. And I also made the
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: comment to you, James, I said, if I was that mother,
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: or if I was, you know, the relative of somebody
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: who had been taken as a hostage, take race out
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: of this, take Israeli palacin whatever, take it out of
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: this and just think, as a human being on this subject,
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: if my family member had been taken by terrorists in
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: this situation, you bet your bottom dollar I would want
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: them to bomb the hell out of that country until
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: they were returned.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: So just think about it in that context.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And it's true. You know, kids have been killed on
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: both sides of the conflict, and that is absolutely terrible.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But always keep in mind only one side of this
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: conflict used babies as human shields, and only one side
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: on this conflict has paraded babies dead babies as propaganda
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and gloated over their deaths. So you're dealing with two
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: very different cultures.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they had a sign up there that said
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the war criminal Ntan Yahu and his Nazi army killed
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: them with missiles from zardas warplans them. Of course, for
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: people in the coffins.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Well, news flash, you animals.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: If you hadn't gone into Israel on October the seventh,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: there wouldn't be any missiles coming down on Gaza, would there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Let's go to another story on the front of the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Olds Tomorrow contract killer to keep Ozzie visa a double
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: murderer convicted over a contract killing, has been spared deportation
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: under Labour's revised ministerial direction after a tribunal found his
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: ties to Australia and level of rehabilitation outweighed community expectations
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: that he should never be granted a visa. Isn't it fantastic?
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: You know here in Australia you can be a contract killer,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: but you've got some connections to the country, much much
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: like in the UK. If your teen year old son
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: doesn't like the chicken nuggets in Albania, will you get
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: to stay as well?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Please? Did I hear you right when you said a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: non citizens connections in Australia? Yes, outweighed community expectations. The
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: community being Australian citizens. So the feelings, the desires, the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: rights of a non citizen according to the regulations the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Labor government put in place outweigh the desires, the feelings,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the rights of citizens. That tells you everything you need
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Welcome to twenty twenty five.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: If she bring on twenty twenty five and a half
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: after the election, when hopefully there'll be some sense, let's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: go the front page of the Daily Telegraph, Peter Dutton
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: tells the Antisemitism Summit today, I'll scrap visas over hate.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Opposition leader Peter Dutton will tear up visas on the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: grounds of anti Semitic retric if he wins the next election,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: while the former Home Affairs Secretary says a national emergency
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: should have already been called into the crisis that has
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the Jewish community living in fear Tony. Mister Dutton told
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the audience that the Central Synagogue in Bondai his government
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: would not hesitate to deport visa holding non citizens spreading
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic hatred in Australia. I think everybody would agree
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that is an absolutely right thing to do. And he
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: also said that this would be dated back to October seven,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, so anybody since then under a coalition
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: government that's been spreading anti Semitic rehetoric who's here on
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: a visa would be immediately deported. I hope he's elected,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: if only for that would make the country a lot better.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: While we're on the front page of the day, he telegraph.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: My friend Caleb Bond, who watches far too many cartoons,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: pointed out, just have a look at the front page.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I thought we established that was loose.
• 45:31
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• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Of Tony Burke there now, does he remind you of anyone? Caleb?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: He does. He reminds me of Wallace from Wallace to
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if Bert got a little less here,
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• 46:01
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  Speaker 1: It anybody They gonna do any more papers After that,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to leave it on a high. We're going
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: to go to a break when we come back. Scott
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Morrison lost his photo album. Someone's found it. They don't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: want to give it back. We'll talk about that in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: just a moment. Family smart, Harry up and take the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Now, most of us would have been to an opshop,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: browsing around for a bargain, rummaging through bins trying to
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: find something someone had tossed out as trash but it
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: might be treasure to you. Well, someone in a Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Salvation Army op shop was rummaging through some books and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: found a photo album and thought this looks interesting. They
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: opened it up to discover it was photographs of Scott Morrison,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: former Australian Prime Minister. In fact, it's a family photo album.
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  Speaker 1: This person bought the album and now has it as
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: a coffee table memento. Scott Morrison has asked that it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: be returned. It's Scott photographs of him at New Year's Eve,
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  Speaker 1: lounging around at the Sheraton Mirage Resort on the Gold Coast,
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  Speaker 1: having a holiday in Port Douglas, What about in Hawaii?
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison said, hey, I'd love it if you would
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: return it. We threw it out accidentally not realizing we
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: discarded it. But the person who's purchased it said no, no,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I paid money for it. It looks very good on
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: my coffee table. It's a great talking piece Lucy in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: your home. But is it a decent thing to give
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: it back?
• 50:57
  Speaker 13: Oh?
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: Find us keepers? What happened to that? Right? And what's
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: he doing throwing out a photo album? Who was behind?
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: That's probably?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I want to know that probably is a question. Who
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: throws out a photo app how.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Does that happen accidentally?
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: By the way, but if but if you know it
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: was an accident, And he's like, what do they pay
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: three bucks for it or something minimal? And he said,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: can I have the photo album back? Like, what what
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: do you want with Scott Morrison's photo album? What are
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: you going to have dinner parties? And you're like, oh,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: look what I have to show you.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: Exactly what's going to happen.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: It's a great talking point.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Remotely suppose.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Look, I would if it were me, i'd hand it back,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: but I'd ask to keep. Specifically, there's a photo of
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: him in there, sort of like face first in the bed,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: and it says next to it that he was very,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: very very tired because he's had too many Guinnesses.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I'd keep that one, just to pit it up on
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: the wall.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So you give him his photo album back and he's
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, and then you go through it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and there's photos missing.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, I think that's just the bargaining chip.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I'll let you have it back, but I want to
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: have that photuct But see, I I love op shops
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: and I go to auctions, and I'm obsessed with this stuff.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: But I went into a sell those op shop once
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: and I bought a painting for eight dollars and it
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: had written on the back.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Of it the address of the artist.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: And I looked up the address that I found a
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: phone number, and I thought I would call up and
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: see what the go is with this piece. And they
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: could have had it back if they wanted it, but
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: they didn't ask for it. Unfortunately, didn't get the artist,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: but I got the artist's daughter.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Wait, did you tell the artist's daughter I found your
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: piece of art for eight bucks in an option? I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: didn't for it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I found it in an optop. I mean, I don't know.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: I assume someone had it hanging in their house and
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: they carcked it and it ended up in the sell thos. Oh,
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: shouldn't you be happy that it's ended up in a
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: new home.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: No, I no, you can feel about his album because
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: he clearly didn't know I was lost until the TikTok
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: I mentioned anything about it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: That's true, that's what he realized.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: It was a missing Remind me, wasn't there a story
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: a few years ago someone bought a filing cabinet they
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: opened it up, his government documents.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's it. From us to the op shop, but
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: stick around. Coming up.