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Patriots Unfiltered 10/13: Raiders Recap, Key Plays/Moments, Growing Injury Concerns · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The world's original podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com. Patriots Unfiltered. What's
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  Speaker 1: the spread, Paul, the early spread?
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  Speaker 3: Three and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots favorite. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe closer to six than three.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed.
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  Speaker 3: Six?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's eight.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But we didn't talk about Efton Chisholm. We talked about
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  Speaker 3: it a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big play.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think he wanted me to, like, take my
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  Speaker 1: shirt off and run around. Oh, I wanted that, too.
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  Speaker 1: One receiver runs the correct routes, and one receiver doesn't. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm just like— One guy's an idiot,
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  Speaker 3: and the other guy's smart.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you go there? I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia, now you're answering weather forecast questions.
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  Speaker 1: Again, there's something called the internet.
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  Speaker 6: Ha!
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: I love our listeners because they're so mean to each other.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 3: You were on with Arcand last night?
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  Speaker 7: I was, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Why did you not run this.
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  Speaker 1: By me before? I know you keep track of my schedule.
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  Speaker 3: They had a really good offense last year without all
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  Speaker 3: the bells and whistles that you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this is a bell and a whistle.
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  Speaker 2: This one is a little bit unprotected sex for me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Jacksonville both ways.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a safe bet. This is Patriots Unfiltered. Presented
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium, and we've got a lot to talk about. Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: big win. Ugh, we're on a roll.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Back, except those injuries. Yeah. We've got to talk about those, too.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to talk about the fact that the Bills
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  Speaker 2: and the Rams don't have a defense. Watched that game
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  Speaker 2: last night. That was ridiculous. And everything else going around
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. So it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,
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  Speaker 2: it's Deuce, it's Matt in the booth. And we're here
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  Speaker 2: at our normal time now, 11 o'clock every week.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Comes quick.
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  Speaker 2: How do you like it?
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  Speaker 1: How do you like being at 11?
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  Speaker 3: You know me.
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  Speaker 2: But now the change has been happening. I don't like change.
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  Speaker 2: But are you settling in?
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  Speaker 3: I'm settling in. I'm getting more used to it, yes.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just objectively better for Deuce and I.
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  Speaker 2: You sound like you're getting sick, too. Are you getting sick?
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  Speaker 1: No. You know my voice. It comes and goes.
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  Speaker 2: It comes and goes?
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  Speaker 1: I talk too much.
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  Speaker 2: So, Patriots get sick, you get sick?
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  Speaker 1: I just, like, I talk too much. All right. Yeah, no. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: for Deuce and I, it is objectively just a better...
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  Speaker 1: schedule for the two of you. I'm glad we could
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  Speaker 1: accommodate you. Yeah, so I understand if you don't feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way.
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  Speaker 8: You get to follow, you know, you get to go
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  Speaker 8: to Vrabel, you get to go to the locker room.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I never got to hear Josh McDaniels last year.
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  Speaker 2: They were all asking, where's Deuce?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't worry, Dave. I mean, kind of.
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  Speaker 3: They did used to have all those things that would
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  Speaker 3: happen while the show was going on. Now, that didn't
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  Speaker 3: help you much because you were obviously going over there,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't see any more of Rabel and McDaniels
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  Speaker 3: than I did last year.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the locker room is different.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like you, Fred. I talk to Ramondre Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: I say, hey, what's up?
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  Speaker 3: He's my guy. Little Marcus Jones on the side.
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  Speaker 1: Those are my crushes. That's all I got.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really have anything else to do in the
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  Speaker 3: locker room.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like a lot has happened since the last
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  Speaker 2: time we had a show. Of course, the game. But
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  Speaker 2: the whole weekend with the reunion of the 2001 team,
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  Speaker 2: which was Just a great couple days with everybody back here.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Vinatieri getting his Super Bowl. I keep saying Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: His Hall of Fame ring at halftime of the game,
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  Speaker 2: which we streamed out live on Patriots.com. So it was
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  Speaker 2: just an eventful weekend. Lots of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know we were going to see his bust, too.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was on hand. I've already seen it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Why does he say it like that? So, but.
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  Speaker 2: All the, you know, just watching the video of all
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  Speaker 2: the players seeing each other. And a lot of them
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen each other for a long time. It was
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  Speaker 2: just great. They had a brunch. They came to the
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  Speaker 2: walkthrough on Saturday with the team. They had a dinner
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  Speaker 2: Saturday night. Obviously they were all here for the game,
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  Speaker 2: the halftime ceremony, seeing Adam Vinatieri and his gold jacket
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  Speaker 2: sitting next to Robert Crafter in the game. And he
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  Speaker 2: was like really like into the game, like cheering on
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  Speaker 2: the team and everything. It was, It was just an
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  Speaker 2: excellent weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Which guy did you see that you were, like, sort
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  Speaker 3: of the most excited to see? Besides Brian Morey.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't there physically.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. No. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: My bad.
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  Speaker 2: I was just watching all the video of it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I thought maybe you were at.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I would have said, hi, lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, lawyer. No, I would have, you know, McGinn, all
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  Speaker 2: those guys, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you were on site on Saturday for
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  Speaker 3: those festivities.
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  Speaker 2: Our content crew was there capturing everything.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 2: Over the week, you'll see more and more of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. I got a sneak
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  Speaker 2: preview at the latest episode of Forge in Foxborough, which
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  Speaker 2: will be coming out soon.
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  Speaker 1: Outstanding.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. Really, really good.
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  Speaker 1: When's it coming out?
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you. Soon.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Soon.
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  Speaker 1: Get excited. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Very soon. Very excited to see that. It's great.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In season.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So where do we start?
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  Speaker 1: Stop looking at me. Start with the game.
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  Speaker 2: Patriots move to 3-2 with, you know, I wasn't surprised
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  Speaker 2: because I thought they, I called 31-10, so I had
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  Speaker 2: to spread about right. But I was a little surprised
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  Speaker 2: at how just, I don't know, much of a layup
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How easily they move the ball and put points on
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  Speaker 3: the board. I thought it would be a relatively easy
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  Speaker 3: game with maybe like a late touchdown for the Raiders,
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  Speaker 3: making it look a little closer. But I didn't think
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  Speaker 3: it was going to be a tough game to win.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was going to be that easy, though. 45,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't expect 45.
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  Speaker 2: You know, on Thursday, I didn't know for sure that
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  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis wasn't going to play. And I was kind
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  Speaker 2: of figuring one of the two cornerbacks would play, and
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  Speaker 2: then he's out. And I figured, oh, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be tough. But, man, I got to hand it
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  Speaker 2: to the defense. Obviously, Drake May had a game, and
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  Speaker 2: all the wide receivers chipped in. So just a real
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  Speaker 2: team effort and a great coaching job by the Patriots.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, great coaching job. I think everybody's just surprised that
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  Speaker 8: it turned around so quick. They just looked so stuck
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  Speaker 8: in their own rut the first few weeks, and then
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  Speaker 8: you saw hints of it last week, and then this
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  Speaker 8: week it was just Drake had time. this was the
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  Speaker 8: guy that we saw last year. And then all of
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  Speaker 8: a sudden, you know, it all, it all starts to click.
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  Speaker 8: But like you said, the injuries to me are just
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  Speaker 8: continue to be the theme where it seems like every week,
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  Speaker 8: one to two guys are landing on IR. And at
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  Speaker 8: what point do they reach a breaking point? I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I don't think they're quite there yet. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 8: at running back with Henderson, which report this morning, he's
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  Speaker 8: got a high ankle sprain, which again, at least a
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  Speaker 8: couple of weeks. I mean, I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 8: going on IR, but so they got to find, you know,
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  Speaker 8: some way to get, Some complimentary carries to Ramondre. I
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  Speaker 8: don't want to run Ramondre into the ground for the
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  Speaker 8: next four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: No, he needs somebody to give him some time off
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  Speaker 2: during games.
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  Speaker 8: And then Caleb Lomu did a pretty good job on
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  Speaker 8: the left side. I think everybody was encouraged by that performance.
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  Speaker 8: That's the one, if Moses stays healthy, we can deal with,
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  Speaker 8: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think. Because, well, the Jets had eight sacks last week. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've got some talent up front.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually watching them last night, and I wanted to, like,
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  Speaker 1: note the ones of the eight that were like, is
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  Speaker 1: this just Cleveland and Deshaun Watson being bad versus the
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  Speaker 1: Jets being good? And I would say it is about
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  Speaker 1: half and half. You know, the very first sack of
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  Speaker 1: the game that they had, Deshaun Watson dropped the snap.
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  Speaker 1: He literally dropped the snap. And so that was why
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  Speaker 1: it was a sack. So, you know, those types of
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  Speaker 1: plays are a little bit fluky. But, yeah, back to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this game, I just– I give Rabel and
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  Speaker 1: McDaniels a lot of credit because I would just come
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  Speaker 1: out of the gate in a season with my best stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like I would just immediately start running my best stuff
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  Speaker 1: out of the shoot. And I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams that do that, they kind of develop some bad
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  Speaker 1: habits that go under the radar because they're kind of
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  Speaker 1: moving the ball and being productive offensively. And so then
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  Speaker 1: as the course of the season wears on, those bad
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  Speaker 1: habits start to get bigger and bigger deals as you
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  Speaker 1: wear on and the fundamentals and the techniques and all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The bad habits develop because they're just falling back on
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  Speaker 2: their offense.
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  Speaker 1: Or their scheme. Like, yeah, like I think that they
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  Speaker 1: throw so much scheme at teams early on in the
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  Speaker 1: year and you hear all about, you know, he was
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  Speaker 1: in the lab all summer long and, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: had drawn plays up and stuff like that. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's film on it. They get figured out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some of the things that were under the surface,
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  Speaker 1: under the hood, were not getting corrected because they were
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  Speaker 1: putting up points and they were winning games. And the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots just do the opposite. The Patriots are a slow-building team,
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  Speaker 1: at least offensively, where the first couple weeks of the
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  Speaker 1: season is an extension of the preseason and they kind
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  Speaker 1: of take it a little bit more vanilla and a
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  Speaker 1: little bit slower. So what happened last year? Well, they
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  Speaker 1: were 1-2.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about... He said they're slow building, but toward
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year, the offense fell off.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that that was opponent-driven. But, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that we're seeing it now the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks that each week McDaniel adds a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: spice to it, a little bit more seasoning, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more creativity, and now the offense has broken out.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I would agree with, with the, the, the
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  Speaker 3: premise that, that Evan just threw out there. I do
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  Speaker 3: feel like Josh doesn't throw the kitchen sink at you
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  Speaker 3: right away, but I also, I, I take Josh at
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  Speaker 3: face value. And I think some people sort of scoffed
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  Speaker 3: at him last week when he was talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the quote unquote changes and, And, you know, the more
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  Speaker 3: creativity and whatnot. Like, when you're not doing things well,
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  Speaker 3: when you're not doing the basic stuff well, it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to really get crazy. And I'm not talking about, like,
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  Speaker 3: basic things like motion and stuff that Evan's been talking
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  Speaker 3: about for a couple weeks. I'm talking about just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: people like, you know, where's the tempo? We saw all
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  Speaker 3: this tempo in training camp yesterday. When you're not moving
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  Speaker 3: the ball, it's hard to just... Oh, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: We can't get a first down the last two times
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  Speaker 3: we had the ball doing it conventionally.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just go tempo.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes when you're having trouble with the basic, the next
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  Speaker 3: level stuff isn't really the smartest way to go. And
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  Speaker 3: I take Josh at face value with that. That's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the way he explained it last week. We weren't
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  Speaker 3: really doing much of anything well to start. Now, to
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  Speaker 3: Evan's point... You're starting to see some different wrinkles, some
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  Speaker 3: different formations. Look, they start the game the other day.
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  Speaker 3: They had like two tight ends in the backfield.
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  Speaker 1: Double side car.
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  Speaker 3: In the pistol. I don't remember seeing that all that often.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that he has done it, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: remember Josh doing that all that often. Just some different stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think when you start getting some confidence in your
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  Speaker 3: quarterback and things are starting to get a little bit better,
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  Speaker 3: and I think Mike hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing that really stood out to me that
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  Speaker 3: was different in this game than the previous four was
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  Speaker 3: pass protection. They were excellent up front in this game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've been using a little bit more two
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  Speaker 2: halfbacks or two running backs on the field at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. One of them goes wide and sometimes they
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  Speaker 2: come back together. I'm really worried that this injury to
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  Speaker 2: Henderson is going to cramp that scheme a little bit
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  Speaker 2: because I think that was effective.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They only did it like a couple of times, but
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  Speaker 1: it was effective when they did it. Um, I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, back to the McDaniels thing that Paul was
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  Speaker 1: talking about, he was saying, like, that they're not running,
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  Speaker 1: the concepts that they're running are not different.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: I think they are running the same plays that they
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  Speaker 1: were running to start the season. The difference is the
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  Speaker 1: window dressing, the formations that they're running out of it,
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  Speaker 1: the motions that they're using to build those concepts. And
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  Speaker 1: they're also just executing better. But once the ball is snapped,
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  Speaker 1: the concepts are the same. it's what's going on, but
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  Speaker 1: they're blocking it better there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But like all that stuff, it's all goes hand
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  Speaker 1: in hand. Right. And so like, I think when he
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  Speaker 1: said last week, like to me, he buried the lead
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  Speaker 1: last week. He said, we're running the same place to
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  Speaker 1: kind of like squash that narrative that they changed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things up in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But then he said, as the answer wore on, that
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  Speaker 1: he builds, that he builds throughout the course of the
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  Speaker 1: season and that they want to build a foundation on
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  Speaker 1: strong fundamentals before they start doing the fancy stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: now that they feel like they've done that over the
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  Speaker 1: course of September, now we're starting to see more of
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  Speaker 1: the fancy stuff. So he wasn't lying when he said
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  Speaker 1: that they're running the same plays. They are running the
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  Speaker 1: same plays.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those chicken or egg things. If in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of a game you're not having success, it's
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  Speaker 2: tough to build on anything because there's nothing to build on.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're having early success, then you can start
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  Speaker 2: building on it.
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  Speaker 3: The first drive of that Buffalo game was a 97-yard touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So now they're.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at the touchdowns. The opponent's defense is looking at
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  Speaker 2: what do we do wrong, how do we adjust, and
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  Speaker 2: now you've got them.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also, and it's just sheer volume. Like, the
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  Speaker 3: more plays you run, the more different things that you,
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  Speaker 3: as Evan likes to say, the more times you can
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  Speaker 3: go into your bag and break out some.
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  Speaker 1: Of these different things.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going three and out all the time, and
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  Speaker 3: not that they've gone, they haven't gone three and out,
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  Speaker 3: but like they haven't really consistently moved the ball in
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  Speaker 3: the first three games. Like, they would get the ball
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  Speaker 3: around midfield.
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  Speaker 1: They'd stall out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they had the fewest amount of red zone
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  Speaker 3: trips in football after the first three weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: So, like. It's hard when you're not sustaining drives, 8, 10,
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  Speaker 3: 12 plays. Now, I mean, the other day it felt
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: like they had the ball. It felt like they were
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: on a touchdown drive every time, like every drive at
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: that game the other day.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: So you can try different stuff.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: You get a penalty, you get pushed back, you try
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: a little hook and ladder, you know, wrinkle in there because...
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: You have more opportunities to do some of these different things. And,
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: you know, you get to the end of the game
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: and you take your shots with Kyle Williams, you know?
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I got a little bone to pick with you, actually, Paul.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: You have a lot of bones to pick with me.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Deuce picking a bone. I'm glad Evan's here.
• 14:42
  Speaker 8: Because he kind of attacked me a little bit on
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: the postgame show where I pointed out that I thought
• 14:48
  Speaker 8: it was a little weird to me.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: That on the hook and ladder, Chisholm threw it overhand.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: And you were like, what are you talking about? They
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: do that all the time. Have you ever watched hook
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: and ladder before? Blah, blah, blah.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Let me finish. Let me finish.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Then I did a hook and ladder. I go, I
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: got to look at this. I'm like, every hook and
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: ladder I've ever seen, the guy catches it and he
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: gives the little underhand.
• 15:06
  Speaker 8: And so I go to Twitter and I'm like, in
• 15:07
  Speaker 8: every single example, the hook and ladder is the little
• 15:09
  Speaker 8: underhand flip.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: So what were you telling me?
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Detroit Lions do it. I would say 10 times a year.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: The Lions run the same play as the Patriots. Overhand.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. To go across the field
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: with them. Right.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Overhand.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Well, Travis Kelsey improvised.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: He does.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: But he does. Evan's right about that.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: He played college quarterback, so he improvised.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: They do improvise a little bit with Kansas City.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: They like Chiz's arms.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: They do. Detroit runs a very specific play with Amon
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Ross St. Brown, and he throws it overhand.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: But you do admit, though, there is a lot of
• 15:44
  Speaker 8: times hook and ladder where he tosses it underhand, right?
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: The only thing I'm pushing back on is that I
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: snapped at you about the overhand-underhand thing. Right, right. I
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: snapped at you about not knowing if it was a
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: designed play or not.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: No, it was a designed play. I knew that for sure.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: That was the only thing. I was like, yeah. Because
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: you were like, is that not a hook and ladder
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: because he ran it overhand? I was like, no, I've
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: seen it overhand many times.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: No, I just meant it was weird to me that
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't. But if I snapped... I was joking.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Let me.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I can't apologize.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: It's not in me. I apologize for snapping.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Congratulations on sticking up for yourself.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That was growth right there.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I know it took three days, but that's okay.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: He hasn't mentioned it off-air once.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: For three days.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: He's been just.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Fuming for three days.
• 16:33
  Speaker 11: You know what?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: They do throw it over. And I know they do.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Perillo.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: It's under.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: No, I thought about it yesterday. I was like, no,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that'll be too much fun. Even you snapping back at Paul,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you looked uncomfortable doing it. He was like, just let
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it go. Are you mad at me? No, I absolutely.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I argue with these two all the time. I know
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the underhand.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: You know, like the famous one that Miami did. You
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: want to really do this? The famous one that Miami
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: did against the Chargers in that playoff game in the
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: early 80s. That was underhand.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to Miami in the early 80s.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: There was overhand ones in that one, too. The infamous
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: one with the Raiders that the Patriots lost the game on.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: There was an overhand one right to Matt Jones.
• 17:15
  Speaker 11: Oh, that one.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: That's a whole nother one. I feel like the hook
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: and ladder usually, because like what Deuce is talking about,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the receiver catches a ball and then another receiver kind
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of swoops in and takes it. But now they're doing
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: it to throw it across the field to like change
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the point of attack. Right.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And I would also say if you wanted to really
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: attack sort of the description of the play as a
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: hook and ladder.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Well. The hook and ladder is actually a hook, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: that's not what the Patriots technically ran. It was kind
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: of a crossing route to Chisholm, and then he threw
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: the ball out. So a hook and ladder is usually,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: like Evan said, it's sort of a hook. You show
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the body, and then you flip it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: To a guy.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Then I got on my own head about it, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going, is it a hook and ladder?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I've heard both.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: Because I've always thought hook and ladder.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: But then as I'm in the weeds because of this guy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Is it a shovel pass? Is it a shuffler pass?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Is it a ladder? I feel very strongly about hook
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and ladder.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Doesn't it come from a fireman's term? The hook and ladder?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I assume so.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Much like everything else, I don't know.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of people push back. Look that up.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Where does hook and ladder come from? And say it's
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: hook and lateral. I'm like, no, it's hook and ladder.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: That's what it's always been. It's been that since the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: 1940s when they were running it in Navy, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: or whatever. We're not changing. Like, it's not hook and lateral.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: You're wrong.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: But yes, dude, you are right. A lot of times
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it is underhand.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Actually, you know. That brings the record to 742 for
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Paul and one for Deuce.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: One for Deuce.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It is technically hook and lateral, but it's hook and ladder.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I think because it is the technical football thing.
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: You hook and then you're lateral.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You know the origin.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: But it's much easier to say hook and ladder.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Language of origin. Could you use it in a sentence, please?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Yes.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Did you watch Varsity Blues?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: The movie Varsity Blues?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Many times. The whipped cream thing?
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: Uh, yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: No, wait, no, no, no, no. It's a different, that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: a different, it's a different movie. I think now that
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I'm Billy Bob, I can't remember.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It is a hook and ladder to Billy Bob.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's right. That's right.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. It's the whipped cream one. You distracted
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: them with the whipped cream.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: But when they do, they do the stupid play call
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: at the end, like, you know, Mox runs the hook
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and ladder and he goes, like, that's the signal.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Like, I wonder what they're doing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Great film.
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Good times.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Got off track quick.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Sorry to get us off track. Off track quick today.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That was good.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I'm proud of you.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So I apologize.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So is the headline coming out of this game? the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: resurgence of Drake May or the overcoming of injuries?
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: I'm going to say a resurgence of Drake May. You know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: and it's all connected to the protection, I thought. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: so much we talk about this and it's like, if
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: they can just get the run game going, that'll help.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Like it didn't really matter. Like it just, they protected him.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They had a good plan. He was confident.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: And I think to me, that's what matters most, all
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: these injuries and everything. Like, I just don't like how
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: it's coming true that I thought this was going to
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: be a hard season with injuries and stuff.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And it's playing out just like that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: And, you know, again, how much can they continue to
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: weather with this and, you know, bring it in Lomu
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: and now it's going to kick down. And is it
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: crown over Marcus Bryan? And now those guys are in. So,
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: You know, they're just continuing to have to scramble around Drake.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: But I just love the confidence he showed, the way
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: he was throwing the football. Like, faith restored. It reminds
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: you that this kid can play, that he didn't, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: it wasn't.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: An illusion last year. Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: But he had to go through some, you know, some
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: tough times, I thought. He had to go through some
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: of this, and I... There'll be probably more tough times
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: coming that he's going to have to fight through.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But hopefully, A.J. Brown back.
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: That, to me, will be the kind of boost that
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: can offset some of his injuries.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And we got a little news, right?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Vrabel said that he could be back.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: See, now, to me, and this is maybe, again, Paul
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: in my head, but this was like, it felt like
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: the question was, is it possible he could return this week?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a chance. There's a chance.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: He just said he's stuck with that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: Of course, he's technically eligible, but he's not telling us
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: anything about it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Ever since the Drake Mayshoulder thing, he's changed his tune
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on injuries. Now everything is, mum's the word.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Ambivalent? Yeah, vague.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Told you everybody who was going to be out last week.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Well, on Friday, yeah. But I'm talking about Monday press
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: conferences after the game.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I think if he knows... I think going forward, if
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he knows something for certain, he's going to say it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't, he's going to say it. I don't know.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think last Monday he said Matt Collins
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: is going to miss at least a few days of practice.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: A few days of practice?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: He's on injured reserve.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I know, but he told you that beforehand. I don't
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: think if a guy isn't going to be forthcoming with
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: injury news, he's not saying that. Well, you know, we've
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: got to see. Like, that's the build way.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: He said about both the guys that got hurt.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Finished the game 15 minutes ago.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: Nothing on Campbell yet, but, you know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Well, there's some MCL sprain reports out there.
• 22:11
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Similar injury.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Actually, I think Rappaport said it's the same injury.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Well, what do you make of him during the game
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: coming back with a brace on and getting on the bike?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think there was a chance that if there
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was another injury, he would have gone back in?
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: My mind went back to last year. They felt they
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: had to put him on IR to save him from himself.
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: That was what immediately popped to my mind of him
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: being like, I think I'm okay.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but why did the doctors put a brace on
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: him if there's no intention of putting him back in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the game?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Emergency. That's what I mean.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I think you might have something. That would be my guess.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why, but My guess is if
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: something happened to Loma or Moses and they needed somebody
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to go out there, maybe they felt better about him
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: with a brace on.
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, they probably would have gone Rouse, I guess.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: He has some tackle experience, too.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So, given that, maybe it's not as severe a strain
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: as it was last year.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't read into that. I don't know. I didn't
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: think Matt Collins was going to... I thought he kind
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of avoided the major injury and But wouldn't.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It be malpractice to put a brace on him and,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, put him as a maybe and put him
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: on the bike if it was a severe sprain?
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: I mean, Logan Wing has played with a torn ACL.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough. Like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not, I don't, we don't know enough
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: about the injury yet, but I, I don't know. I'm
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: not counting on Will Campbell playing the next.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not either.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not either.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was interesting.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But the injuries are starting to pile up a little bit.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But guys will also come in. I got to think,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you know, A.J. Brown is coming sooner or later. I mean,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: if it's not this week, it's going to be soon.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: You know, the cornerbacks situation, you know, they got to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: be close. They got to be close. I liked your
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: theory about, you know, through a playoff game, maybe one
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: or both of those guys could have played.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Or if the Raiders had
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: any receivers.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: That's part of what we were talking about in the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: postgame when Fred brought it up. It was like, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: they don't have any real wide receivers. So if you
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: had to pick a game that you didn't have your
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: starting two corners, that would be it because they don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: really have anything to threaten you with.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Deuce has some news, I think. My doctor friend must
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be listening.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: He sent me a quick tweet and just said, low-grade
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: MCL stationary bike is used for.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Maintaining range of motion and decreases in pain.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you put him on there whether or not
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you thought he.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Was going to play. Maybe to keep the swelling down.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I think that piece of it, like I was talking
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: about the patience that McDaniel's paying off, Vrabel's ability to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: just kind of not panic and just be like, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we'll just put Charles Woods and Kendall Vildor out there
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and we'll be fine. It's like, you know, that to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: me is impressive that he's able to, like, hold his
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: water like that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Can I get just a quick thing on, like, the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: cornerback situation? Mike and I talked about this a little
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: bit when he wasn't yelling at me off air. Evan
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: just talked about it. Like, so, Charles Woods and Kendall Vildor.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Those are your next two corners. Like, I know there
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: was a lot of talk of... I mean, they're missing
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: four corners in this game. Like, Channing Canada and Karan
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Prunty are special team players.
• 25:32
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Like, they haven't really gotten any meaningful snaps. They might
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: have mopped up in some of these games at the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: end of the game. Maybe one or both of those
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: guys was on the field at the end of the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville game, as an example, when you have some backups
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: in there. But, like, once you get the three starting corners, Gonzalez, Davis,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, right? Charles Woods is clearly number four. The
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: next guy after that is Kendall Vildor. I know he
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: was on the practice squad, and people, I think, incorrectly
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: sometimes deem that he's behind Prunty in Canada on the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: death shot.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: No, he's not.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: He's a veteran who can go on the practice squad,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: and the rookie is going to get claimed off for waivers, potentially.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That's roster gymnastics. Mike Brown and Kendall Vildor were on
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the practice squad. But they weren't necessarily behind guys that
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: were on the active roster on the depth chart.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Like, if somebody has to play meaningful snaps.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Like, it didn't surprise me, in other words, that Kendall
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Vildor was the guy playing meaningful.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I think he played 44 plays the other day.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: He's a veteran.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And he played well.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: And, you know, the growth of the practice squad to,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: what is it, 16 now?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And they have 17 because of the international depth.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It gives teams a lot of flexibility to move guys
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: up and down.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Up and down from the 53.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And the fact that you can have veterans on the practice.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: You used to, if you had more than two years
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: experience or the third year, you couldn't be eligible.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Now anybody's eligible to be on the practice squad. Yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: so I think people are still thinking in those terms.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: The practice squad is not that anymore.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's both.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: It's really a reserve roster. It's a reserve roster.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You have a half dozen guys that you need.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: You know, Land Larrison's probably going to be on this week.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: You're going to need another running back with Trevion Henderson out.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Landon Larrison's one of those guys. He'll come up and he'll,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I wonder.
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: Who's the guy that just worked out that was out
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: of the league?
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: Jamal Williams.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Jamal Williams.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: How do you split between going to get a veteran
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: who's played and been out of the league for a
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: year versus a younger guy?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I wonder how you do that kind of balance.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It's also like you were talking about this on Catch-22,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like Jamal Williams is– a remandre replacement like he's not
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: bringing speed uh you know he's not the same skill
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: set that travion is going to bring to the.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Table and you're not going to get that but i'll
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: take a remandre replacement at this point he's going to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: need some some.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah but breathers but remandre is going to play like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in the packages and in the situations that he always
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: plays it so like the guy that you're bringing in
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to try to spell remandre is going to have to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: be somebody that can do some different things compared to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Ramondre to play in some different situations. Like, it's not
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like Dravion Henderson was really cutting into Ramondre's workload all
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that much as, like, a base player. Like, somebody that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: was playing, you know, on first down and stuff like that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But they would give him periodic series where they would
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: just say to Ramondre, you take this series off.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And you're going to need that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: But to Evan's point, Ramondre does so many different things. Like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: it's hard to take him off the field because he's
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: your best— Pass protector for the running backs. He's a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: good receiver. He's good in between the tackles. He's the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: best at really everything that they do.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Best running back, which we keep saying. Everybody says, ooh,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: he's fast.
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: That's what I could be talked into is saying third
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: down is too important. He's the only guy we really,
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: truly trust. We don't need to give him all the
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: early down carries.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: We usually would. Maybe we adjust a little bit.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And if they did sign a guy like Jamal Williams,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to Evan's point, maybe you do that. Maybe you give
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: him a handful of first down carries. Maybe you feel
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: better about that than Kiner or Larrison.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I can be talked into that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, I thought, other than the fumble, I thought
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: Kiner looked okay.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, there's, you know. I thought he ran
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: pretty well. Yeah. He fumbled the ball. That was a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: bad fumble. It was a bad fumble, but he actually
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: made the guy miss and made the linebacker miss in
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the hole. And, like, Brandon, it's a pretty good run.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You can do that? You're allowed to make guys miss?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Which is disappointing. But the other thing we were talking
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: about with Alex was just the– they're up to 10
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: guys right now on injured reserve. With Henderson and Campbell,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: we'll see. You can only bring back seven more. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so we're not, like, in danger zone yet Cause some
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of those guys, like no offense, but like Khalil Jacobs,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like you do.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Some research on this.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: So the one I know that you're, you know, Marcus
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Bryan is the one that they designated because he was
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the one you have to designate because it was before the,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the original 53 men. Are you bound to that because
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: you declared him to return? Does that have to count
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: as one of your eight?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I am 99% certain that it does.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So I was actually thinking about.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I will leave the door open for being wrong.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not. Yeah, I won't call you on it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I won't pull a deuce and make fun of your
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: hook and ladder explanation.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I looked it up, and then I also consulted with
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: my friend Pat's Cap, and he had looked it up, too. Yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Sounds right to me. But I was actually thinking about
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: this a little bit because they've had so many guys
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: on injury reserve. Like, can you afford as just an example,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: can you afford to bring Bryce Baringer back? I don't
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: know if you can waste one of those. I'm sorry
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to use that. I don't mean it disrespectfully, but you
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: have another punter.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: You've got to get rid of him if you do.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: No, but what I'm saying is that's one of your
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: return guys. You're going to waste one of those. You
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: need A.J. Brown to be one of your return guys.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You're going to need Will Campbell and Trevion Henderson potentially
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to be your return. You're going to get to eight quick.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Right, and I think you get two more if you
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Now it's getting ahead of ourselves, but
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you do get those extra two spots if you make
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, the extra two return spots, but Hollins, Gilliam, A.J. Brown, Henderson, Campbell,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: if both those guys go on the roster, when they're healthy,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they're coming back. That's a lock for them to come back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I wish that big Mike couldn't come back, but I'm
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: not optimistic about that one. Maybe in the playoffs, if
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: they get to the playoffs and they go on a run.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So those five guys, and then Marcus Bryant counts, if
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I'm correct, so then you really only have.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Two extra spots to play with. And that's my point
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: about Barringer. No disrespect to him or the position, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you might have guys that are more pressing needs.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Or like Q Hutchins and Khalil Jacobs. And we don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: punt anymore anyway. Van Roten. Van Roten. Del Pettis. You know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: like Del Pettis.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Del Pettis might be one of those guys.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Del Pettis is a great one because he's one that, like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: he's not that starter guy, but I think you'd kind
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: of like to have him.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And Mike Brown's had some struggles in special teams, has
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a couple penalties.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: A couple of penalties, and that's the spot.
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, Jacket and Arbor writes in about the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: hook and ladder. It was invented by Dr. Jock Sutherland,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: coach of the University of Pittsburgh in the 1930s. The
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: original name of the play was Hook and Ladder. The
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: name Hook and Ladder developed by popular misunderstanding because it
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: sounds like hook and ladder and is a popular name of.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: A type of a fire truck. I'm sticking with Hook
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and Ladder.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I knew there was a fire truck reference in there somewhere.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Good info.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Hook and Ladder, but we're going to call it Hook
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and Ladder.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I think that's... What most people call it. Doesn't make
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: it right, but I think that's what we're going to do.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: What other remnants do you have from the game? Defense.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Defense.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: Man, I thought Milton Williams was kind of berserker mode
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: in this one. I think he has a different level
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: than him. He just was playing with high energy. I
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: really like him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He has certain games. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: felt like last year against him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: Where he just was like hair on fire, like not
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: refusing to be blocked a lot. And, you know, the
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: secondary did a pretty good job, I thought, you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: filling in without those guys.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But just edge guys, you know. Yeah, Melvin Williams, I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: kind of thought the first four weeks of the season
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that I didn't watch him on film and thought that
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: he had lost a step. He just was getting double
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: teamed a lot and that type of stuff. And then
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this week they doubled him a little bit less. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the stats and the pressures and all that stuff started
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to come out. So I was never overly concerned about
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: him not having great production. But what impressed me the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: most about the defense was how they were able to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: disguise things in the back end, despite being down two
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of their corners. You know, that's a credit to the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: coaching staff and credit to Charles Woods and Kindle Vildor
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: like to be able to. spin the dial on on
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: an offense on Kirk Cousins when those guys like, you know,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: haven't necessarily gotten the reps and starters and haven't played
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a ton in games. And you're still running some of
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the exotic stuff that they've ran, you know, with their
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: their regular core guys. That's really hard to do. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they did it at a really high level. And it
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was impressive, you know, early on in this game. they
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: ran four cover zeros in the first couple of drives
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the game to heat Cousins up, but then they
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: started to fall out of it. They would show the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: cover zero pre-snap, and then they would drop into zone
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: out of it. To be able to get to cover three,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: cover two, different coverages out of those shells, that takes practice,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that takes repetition, that takes communication. And Justin Hamilton and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Scott Booker and Zach Korr, those corners were ready to play.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: They were ready to play and do those types of things.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: So credit to all those guys because they had cousins
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in a blender. He didn't know what he was looking at.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: I just think they're a well-coached defense. They look like
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: a well-coached defense to me. They look like they play together.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: They play on a string. They might not have the
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: A-plus elite level kind of talent, guys, but I think
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: when everybody plays together and does their job, It just
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: allows everybody to make plays.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And sort of recognizing the differences, too. You couldn't get
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: much more of a stark contrast between Buffalo and the
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Raiders in terms of your approach. And I agree with Evan.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I thought that they started the game exactly the way
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: we talked about in the pregame show, Mike. They're going
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: to get after him. They're going to get the ball out.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately for Cousins and the Raiders, they had opportunities
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: and just couldn't do it. They don't have the personnel
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: other than Brock Bowers to really hurt you on some
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of those plays. And then once they established, well, we
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: can get pressure on you anytime we want, Evan's right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: They sort of changed things up a little bit.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I thought Cousins was fine in the game, but they
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: just didn't have anybody to threaten you.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: The lack of answers for cover zero to me is like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit on cousins and a little bit on Kubiak.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like he's a 38 year old quarterback. Like he's a,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that's his, his brain is supposed to be what's driving
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: this whole thing. Kevin Byard came unblocked like two or
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: three times off the edge.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And that was one of the plays that I specifically
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: thought of. And Tucker has the guy down the sideline
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: by three steps and he throws it out of bounds.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And it just, they just didn't, in other words, they
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: just didn't have the, the pieces to do it. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I think back to, as you just said, the cover zero,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I think back to the same team a year ago,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: that blitz was a touchdown to Trey, Trey Tucker. You know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: he gets over the top of Jalen Hawkins in the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: end zone, right underneath us in the press box.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I saw, I thought it was going to happen.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And I just think it's the difference between having a
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: guy who can move just a little bit and, and,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: At this stage, 38-year-old Craig. And again, I didn't think
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Cousins was bad in this game. But I don't think
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: he made any exceptional throws or plays.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It's just not the Josh Allen shrug. Shrug J. Mont
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Jones off and then bang.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: And throw a pick to Craig Woodson.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I like to call them tricky cover twos. JT calls
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: them non-traditional Tampa. That's a lot. I feel like that's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: too much. It's too long. The Patriots... Disguise cover two
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: zones are like terrific, like some of the best in
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the league. They get to Tampa in such different ways
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: every single week. They do a great job of disguising it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just inverted with the outside corners play the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: deep part of the field. Sometimes the nickel drops and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he drops into the deep part of the field. They'll
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: start in, like, single high, and then they'll have Bayard
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: become the pull runner and then drop the corners out
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and have them play the two safeties over the top. Like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: they get to all sorts of different ways of that.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And even a quarterback like Cousins who's seen it all,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: he was flummoxed. Like, he didn't know what he was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: looking at.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, we know Zach Kaur is the coordinator, but
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: how much input do you think Vrabel has in this defense?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I think the system is Vrabel's. I think the higher level, like,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: what's our identity, what's, like, our, you know... what's our base.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I think those things are probably Vrabel over the years
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that he's built up over the years. I do think
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that Corre, though, is the one that's putting together the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: plan and calling the plays on Sundays. Booker's probably got
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: some input on those tricky twos. Yeah, but they are
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: really dialing it up defensively. It's fun to watch. All right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I had an email teed up, and I lost it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, shoot.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my fat fingers. All right, 855-PATS-500 is the hotline.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Let's go. The phones are stacked up here. I want
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to get some people in that we don't always hear from.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Isaac in North Dakota. What's up, Isaac?
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: What's up, guys?
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: How are you guys doing?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: I just wanted to shout out the coaching staff for
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: the Patriots.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: I think that this coaching staff has really shown itself,
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: especially the wide receiver coach, Todd Downing.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah. Yeah, Josh is giving them credit, too.
• 39:13
  Speaker 11: I just think that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: This coaching– I'm just saying I would like to keep
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: this coaching staff together as long as possible. I think
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: that's something that you can't really say for a lot
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: of teams, and it's impressive what this coaching staff has done,
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: especially with the injuries.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: So I encourage taking the call.
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Shout out to the coaches.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people went
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: into the season feeling that that was the deepest position group,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: and I think that's been borne out. It's certainly one
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: of the deepest, if not. You know, corner is another
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: one that we sort of talked about a little bit. But, yeah,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think I– Kind of got a little
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: snippy a couple weeks ago when we kept talking about
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: all the wide receivers and, you know, they need to
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: go out and get this guy or they need to
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: get Marvin Harrison. They need to see if they can
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: get Booty back. And I was like, no, they have enough.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: They have enough with what they have. They just have
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: to play better. The receivers have to be better and
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the quarterback, more importantly, has to be better.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And you see it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: There was no shortage of options in the passing game
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the other day.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Zach Kor at his press conference on Thursday just talking
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: about Last year was also new, a lot of new
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: free agents, a lot of coaches from different places. And,
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: you know, he felt like it took them a little
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: while to really start to figure out who they were,
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: how they were going to do things. And now they're
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: starting from a much higher level. And I think that
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: that's what we're seeing. You know, it kind of goes
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: back to what Evan was saying of, you know, is
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: that different on the defensive side of the ball? Though schematically,
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: do you try to come into the into the season
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: with we got instant curveballs right out of the gate?
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: I think that's probably played out a little bit more
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: like that, that they've.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Been a little bit more diverse, schematically great since the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: very first game of the season. And they, I just
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to the assistants because like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: not to take any of the credit away from like
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, but like, Kendall Vildor and Charles Woods and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: those guys like Justin Hamilton is the one that's working
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: with those players behind the scenes. That's not Christian Gonzalez
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and Carlton Davis and Marcus Jones.
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So those guys are on the practice squad. They're on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: scout team.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: They're on.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They're doing different things like that. And the assistant coaches
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: are the ones that are preparing them like starters and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: making sure that those guys are are ready to play. And,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you know, so they deserve a lot of credit. The
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: whole coaching staff does for for getting all the guys ready.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Chris with a T-I-A-N. What's up, Christian?
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Wow, what a difference a few weeks makes, huh?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Two.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: It's been incredible. I called a few weeks ago and
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: I think about guys like Douglas and Chisholm and, you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: Williams having to step up. And they've done that over
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: the past two weeks. I mean, get open and catch
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: the ball. Like, just so important. That's all we needed
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: them to do, right?
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: And obviously, you know, May is back to being May,
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: but I really think the wide receivers, you know, especially
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: with all the guys that are out, we're seeing what
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: we saw in camp with these guys making great catches
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: and making plays.
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: I am still a.
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: Little worried about Dorfkiner, and I wanted to get your
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: thoughts on that. You know, there was a lot of,
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: I mean, he had two big penalties in the game,
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: which is great, but it was like a flag turn
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: every other play in this game. But I am kind
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: of worried about him, like his inconsistency, and wanted to
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: get your thoughts about that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: And I'll hang up and listen.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: All right. I want to give some flowers to Pop,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, because they played it in the open. They
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: went back and forth about this the other day. That
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: was probably the best route running game I've ever seen
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Pop play. Like, he was on it. Like, fourth down,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: need two yards, a little quick out, ran a great route,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: got open against man coverage.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What do you think happened?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Why is that? I think he's just locked in. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, these details, you know, Mike Rabel
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: said yesterday he used the Paul line and said that
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: was a professional football player.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you if you were listening
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to that. I looked at Mike and I.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Go, that's my line. That's exactly what it was. Like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they spun it into cover two. He found the soft spot,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: made himself quickly available.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Sat it down. Boom. I was like, yes, there we go.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Leaned on him a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like the first touchdown is a coverage bust. And but
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the second touchdown, he's running out, you know, pick, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: kind of rub route concept with Hunter Henry. And he
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: runs the route and gets his guy picked and is
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: wide open. Good thing, you know. And so he's just
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the details that he ran routes with. You know, that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're looking for. And Chisholm did the same thing. But,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Pop, I think, deserves a lot of credit.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: BB in New Hampshire.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: What horrible vitriol from Mr.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Dussault.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Fred, I can't believe you would tolerate such verbal violence
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: in the workplace. Paul, I hope you can recover from
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: such a tirade.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a shock blanket around. Hanging around somewhere. Side note,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Evan definitely sounds sick.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I blame Barth. Yeah. So I blame Barth, too, because
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Barth is home with a fever right now.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So he's actually sick. And the fact that you're sick, too,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I know you got it from him. No, I don't feel. But, like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I have. It's my voice. My voice is crappy.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: That is his moneymaker, that voice.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: That voice.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: The velvety tones.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I talk a lot. I talk a lot for a living.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I thought yesterday was your grind to film day. What
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: were you talking yesterday? It was, and I was very quiet.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And Jess was like, what's wrong? And I was like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm in the lab. I was like, my voice is going,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and I can feel it, so I'm trying not to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: You should get an insurance policy on that voice. Lloyd's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of London.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I need to drink more tea, is what I've been told.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Can we talk a little bit about Christian's question about Dobbs, though?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Because I'm a little frustrated. I was just going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: try to gloss over that part.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just.
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: Frustrated because I just don't like when guys lull you
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: into a sense of security and then they, and then
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: they drop them and.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Then they catch them and then they drop them.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: He's been inconsistent.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: No, inconsistent. And that's just, I would just say, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you got to use them correctly.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I'm just, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to be
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: a little, I'm going to be a little bit defensive
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of him. I thought in Buffalo, you saw a lot
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: of outbreaking routes, you know, the routes in the end zone,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of backline cut, cutting in. This game,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: it was back to he was trying to fill the A.J.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Brown role a little bit, and he's getting vertical all
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the time. I'm not just saying, well, that's not really
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the kind of receiver he is, so he shouldn't catch that.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I think he should have caught the ball in the
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: end zone. I think he had two hands on it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I think he should catch that. We saw him make
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that catch a lot in training camp. He didn't make
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: it in this game. So I'm not absolving him of
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: any responsibilities. I like him better. Going back to the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Vrabel quote on these professional plays on fourth down, that
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: was him in Buffalo. The quick out, uncovers immediately with
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: a good route, strong hands, bang, first down routine. I
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: like him in that kind of a role. I don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: necessarily like him 35, 40 yards downfield. I know that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: he had some success doing it that way in Green Bay.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I don't look at him as a separator on those routes.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I worry more about his ability to finish through contact
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: than to separate. it's like at the NFL level, you're
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: going to have to finish through contact at the catch point.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's not going to be clean every single time
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that you're going to be five yards open. Like you are,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you know, in college or whatever, or somehow pop Douglas
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: got on the first touchdown of the game. But like I,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: in all three of those catches that you're from Sunday's game,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I'm with you about the vertical route stuff, but like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: you know, he, he's got his hands on the ball.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not absolving him of responsibility.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And like, You would like to see him be a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: little bit sturdier at the catch point and fight through
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: some of that contact and finish some of those catches. Absolutely.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely fair.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Franklin in Baltimore says, I disagree just a bit with Mike.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I thought the running game did matter on Sunday in
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the sense that it's really the first game where I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: thought it was consistently effective through four quarters. Because of that,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the Raiders' pass rush was neutralized, which in turn allowed
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: May to be patient and see the whole field. Despite
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the sub-100 game, I thought Ramondre, in particular, looked the
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: best he has all season because he hit holes decisively.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I would say Ramondre ran exceptionally well in this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: game by avoiding people in the backfield.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just looking. The numbers don't really back that up.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I agree with you that Ramondre ran well, and I
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: agree with the emailer, but I didn't think the running
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: game opened anything up for the passing game.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: He had like four or five runs that should have
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: been tackles for loss that he dodged tacklers in the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: backfield there. especially that 12 yard run was, that was
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a really good run.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: And they had some select runs that were important at
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: the time. Like he had, and I think that on
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the two minute drill, they did, you know, me and
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Evan were joking about it. It's like the, the Charlie Weiss,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels before the two minute warning, you know, kick
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: off the two minute drill drive with a, with a run.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And he broke a couple.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: And made it easy. Cause you got, you get down there.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: They didn't line up and, soften up the pass rush
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: with the running game in this game. The numbers look great.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I think the numbers are a little deceptive. The numbers
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: look great. I mean, Corey Kiner had like a 35-yard
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: run when the game was over. Drake had a couple
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: of runs. I thought Stevenson was his normal, really workmanlike self.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: And that was important. I thought Stevenson was good in
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: this game.
• 48:24
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see how the week goes. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it'll get looked at and continue to... Rehab wasn't able
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  Speaker 4: to finish the game. So, I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how much time he'll miss. If he'll be back towards
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  Speaker 4: the end of the week or be back Wednesday. But
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  Speaker 15: With Caleb stepping in for him, how beneficial do you
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  Speaker 15: think the month.
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  Speaker 10: To kind of get acclimated was for him as he
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  Speaker 10: now potentially takes on a bigger role?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that all the time that they
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  Speaker 4: have to be able to get some game action, whether
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  Speaker 4: that's at the jumbo tight end or getting some snaps
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  Speaker 4: in there at different times of practice and being able
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  Speaker 4: to work on both sides is critical. I think that's
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: something that the swing tackle has to be able to
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  Speaker 4: do and be ready to go in the game. I
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: know he's working hard and he's going to try to
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: take advantage of whatever opportunity comes his way. What did
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  Speaker 4: he do while you were sitting, Mike? I don't think
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: it was too big for him. I think he was
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: able to settle down and he didn't really notice himself
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: a lot. So I think that's probably a good thing. Um,
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  Speaker 4: I know it was able to anchor at times on
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: some power and all Drake to, to be able to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: transfer up into the pocket. And, and, you know, I
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: thought that worked together well with ABT when they got
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: in there and, Those are going to be some things
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: that whatever combinations of guys that we have, whether it's
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Ben and Jared or it's Ben and Morgan or Ben
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: and Caleb, and just being able to work together with
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: the guy next to you and try to help each
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: other do their job.
• 52:25
  Speaker 15: Just to build on that, Mike, it looks like those
• 52:28
  Speaker 15: guys had a few of those games.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: From the Raiders up front, sorted out pretty well yesterday.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: What's the key to communicating on those and making.
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: Sure you have them?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just making sure that you're protecting
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the guy next to you, being able to protect the
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: guy as somebody's penetrating, to be able to flatten that
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: guy off and understand based on alignments or splits or
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: stances that something like that may be coming. So certainly
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: want to have some pre-snap communication, pre-snap awareness, and then
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's about protecting the
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: guy next to you and being able to flatten the
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: guy out, use your length. And, you know, that'll, that'll
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: do a lot to help the games and the, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: making sure that the penetrator doesn't get in to the crease.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Is there a chance that AJ Brown could come back
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: this week?
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: There's a chance. Yeah, there is.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: What would he bring to your offense if he does
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: make his way back?
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think just helping to add to the,
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: you know, production.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I think that's, All you want from the receivers is
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: that they're a productive group, that they win one-on-one matchups,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: contested catches, create separation, give quarterbacks confidence and.
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: Places to go with football.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: You know, when you talk about production, I think that
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: the unit was productive yesterday.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: They all contributed. So that was real positive.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Chisholm's a lot of role play.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I know you said on the radio this morning you
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: made some stuff up, but it also kind of sounded
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: like it could have been a little design.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: What do you think, Soph?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. I feel like we've gotten different answers.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Was it a design play though?
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Yes. Okay.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: Everything happens so fast after the game and you get
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: in there and give these game balls out.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Here's how you decide in the moment and then. Like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: do you ever get to the other side and be like, oh, man,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I wish I gave one to.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably the offensive line or the group. You know
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying? I just think that, again, we're not perfect.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: And in that moment, I know that they're trying not
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: to listen to me and I'm not trying to be
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: around them any longer than.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: I have to.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: And everybody wants to get showered and figure out what
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: they're going to do with the rest of the couple
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: hours that they have.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: And so, you know, whether it's the O-line or pop and,
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: you know, I just.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: We'll recognize those guys when.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: We get the players in here again on Wednesday in
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: a formal setting. Everybody's watching tape here with their units
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: and their groups. We'll have more of a formal setting
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: on Wednesday to be able to recognize those guys.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: I'll try to be better in those opportunities.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: To be honest, the Kendall thing is just a great
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: part of football. The guy's on the practice squad and
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: he P.B.U.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Gets a big punch out there, changes momentum, helps us
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: get the drive stopped. I think one of the coaches
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: was talking and said, well, he had a mental error
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: on the play, but he also had an extra effort.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: I think that really defines what we want our identity
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: to be, is the ability to have an error or
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: a mistake, but also the ability to go finish and
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: still impact the play and know that that a mental
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: error doesn't have to necessarily mean that the play is
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: over or a mistake.
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: It certainly doesn't limit our ability to finish. When you
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: were talking.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: About the wide receivers' unselfishness yesterday, you said, I've got
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: to get the whole team to look at it that way.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: Do you think there are some players or position groups
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: where they're a little bit.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think just it's hard to get 70
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: guys to believe that, you know, and to understand that.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: And do I think that we have a high majority? Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: And whatever's left on that and we'll continue to chip away.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: It'll never be perfect, but certainly that, uh, that willingness
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: to help each other, to be excited about each other's success, uh,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: work as a unit, um, push each other, challenge each other,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: but also care for each other.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Touchdown.
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: What does it say to someone like Morgan Moses who
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: had the penalty right before it and then came back
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: and played such a vital part in helping Ramon get
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: into the end zone there?
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, you know, the, you just have to be
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: ready for some of those things down there and be
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: ready for the movement down and down there that happens
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: at the, at the goal line. And, you know, again,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: being able to overcome some of those negative plays or
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: penalties that, you know, maybe in the past it set
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: us back and, you know, we were able to overcome them.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:04
  Speaker 17: I mean, and again, we get.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Uh, You know, Cam Latu, you know, get him going.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: He played in the game, played a good vital role
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: on special teams. Tanner got some snaps in. I think
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: it was good to see Eli work at the line
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage and block a little bit, but then also
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: be able to get out and do some things in
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: the pass game and things that he'll have to improve on.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: But I think that it was, you know, if you're
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: targeted five times as a tight end.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: You want five catches.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: And, you know, Hunter continues to be reliable and very–
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: you know, comforting for everybody because he's where he's supposed
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: to be most of the time.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Eli's had some pretty big moments over the first five weeks.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Just what have you learned from him? What's allowed him
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: to step up?
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think he's talented.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: I think he's continuing to get more comfortable each and
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: every day that he sees what's kind of what this
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: league is about and maybe starts to have more confidence
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: in himself that he can do this at this level
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: and he can do it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: Fairly well.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: I think when he knows what to do and, you know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of different looks that he hasn't seen
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: in things, defenses and defensive fronts. But I think just
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: continuing to improve and continue to invest in these young players.
• 58:28
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• 58:36
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 58:37
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• 58:40
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• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Paul, you got a fresh take? Yeah, I do.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: This isn't going to be quite as fresh as the
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: takes that you get from Legal Seafood because I think
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: I have the actual opinion here that virtually every football
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: fan has. There's just far too many flags in these games.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: It's really becoming tough to watch. Last night's game, Mike
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: tells me, 24 penalties. You know, you've got Buffalo and
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: the Rams, you know, two good football teams. I don't know.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe the players are at fault. Maybe we're letting the
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: players off the hook. They should start seeing if they
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: can have some of these plays go on without committing
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: an inflection.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Clean it up a little bit. Clean it up, but.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's become a problem, and I just lean
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: back on my disdain for the replay system and the
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: way that they do it. I think the officials are
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: getting affected by it. It's even seeping into college.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Too, Fred.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: The big Alabama-Georgia game basically decided by a missed pass
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: interference call, one of the rare times they didn't throw
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the flag that they should have. I was rooting for
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Georgia in the game, but they benefited from it. clearly
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: a pass interference. They've got to do something about it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: The officiating, I think, is causing some problems in these games.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Well, if you watch Patriots Unfiltered this week on TV,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I might have a solution for that.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Why don't you just tell me what the solution is?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: No, you've got to watch Patriots Unfiltered on TV.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: I felt like in the press box this weekend, whether
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: you were a Raiders employee or a Patriots employee or
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: a media member covering the team, that everyone... was holding
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: hands about the stupid calls.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: And, like, there were calls that happened to everyone. Oh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter what team it was.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Raiders contingent a little loud in the press box, Fred.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Not disrespectful, but.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: A little loud.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Holding out hope for a long time, too.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: A little too comfortable.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe. There was the one call, the pass interference on
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Three minutes later?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I think there were four plays running
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: between the time that that play ended and they threw
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the flag. I mean, it felt like... 20 seconds. And
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Henry's turning around. He's gesturing to the...
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: And here it comes from like eight miles away.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: You keep calling that P.I. It was hands to the helmet. Okay.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Just so you know.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Illegal use of hands.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Just so you know, I went back because I was like...
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I pride myself on remembering the random minutiae. And I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: was going to let it go. But I went back
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: and looked. And it was pass interference.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Really? Because he said illegal use of hands.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: No, he said pass interference.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you said.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: I went back through the whole, all of the, how
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: many were there, Mike?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: 20?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: That doesn't count all the decline penalties.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: That's the one that happened around the 20-yard line, right?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: There was not a single illegal use of the hands.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Watching it back, I saw a lot of the infractions.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, these are holds, these are penalties.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that they have
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the threshold needs to be a little bit higher. Like
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: just to, so that it's not a flag fest. Like I,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I get it. Like these are penalties in a lot
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: of instances. Like, you know, Ben Brown tackled the guy.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: That's a hold. Like you got to throw it. Like,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: you know, that one was, that one was, you know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Like, but you give the players an inch, they'll take
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: them on.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: How about, how about the bump out of bounds on Romeo?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Like you kind of, you kind of turned into a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: gunner and sort of wrote them out of bounds and like, I, I,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I may be a legal contact. Like, I don't think
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that that's a spot foul.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe the ball is like 30 yards away and the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: guys over there.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe we can let that one go.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: But if he's, if he's able to run in his
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: straight line, you know, the ball is not 30 yards
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: away and just, he got rode out of bounds by
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: the court. I, there was too many penalties.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: And I think that we've gotten to the time where,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you know, we're going to use this technology or not.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Let's start making everything reviewable. Let's get somebody up in
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: the booth that is calling these penalties via replay. Like,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know why the spotting of the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: ball is as arbitrary as anything that goes on in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: the game every single week, every play. It's a, it's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: the epitome of a judgment call where the guy, where
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: the ball was when the guy's knee is down is
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: a judgment call and they can overturn that via replay.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: And they always say, well, we don't want judgment calls,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want 25 penalties a game either. I don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: want two of the best teams in football playing on
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: a Monday night and 24 penalties, Mike.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: 13 and 11. And some missed calls, too. Dalton Kincaid
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: got bear hugged on one route and they didn't call it.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: It's going both ways. It's not just the calls. It's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: also the ones that they're missing.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: That's like the one I brought up in the Alabama-Georgia game.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: That was a blatant pass interference. Did you see that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: at the end of that game? Why were you rooting
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: for Georgia?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Because I generally root against Alabama.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: He hates Alabama because of Nick Saban.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 14: Oh.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I don't hate Nick Saban, but I root against him
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: because they were always the best for so long. It's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: like I root against Notre Dame.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I root for Alabama. Me too. I feel like we're
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: kindred spirits with Alabama. Well, not anymore, but we were.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe Fred's right.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: 855-PASS-500 is the hotline. What were you saying? You despise
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: all the flags? I forget what the word you used. Derision?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I forget.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Anyway, speaking of that, it's Christian in L.A.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: What's up, Christian? Christian.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's gone again.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: I think this is intentional now.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, you think so?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's baiting us? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Because everybody keeps on saying don't take his calls anymore. Oh, no.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: People want him to come on because... To get his comeuppance.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I think that most people say, can you stop taking
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: his calls? Well, they do that.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But now that he's been proven wrong about Drake May,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: people want him to come on and take his lumps.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: It's ringing again.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: We'll move on. We'll go to Herm in D.C. What's up, Herm?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: It's amazing.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Nobody's calling to bench Drake May?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: No, no one is calling for that benching right now, no.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: Amazing.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I actually have two quick.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: Questions today about other teams in NFL, and I was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: just curious about you guys' opinion.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: So the first question is really about the– it's mostly
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: about Justin Herbert.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 15: So I'm a little puzzled because.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: He seems to have ability. He seems to have.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: A great coach.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: He has a great team.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: So from you guys' standpoint, I mean– What's the problem?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 14: And I feel like Justin Herbert gets excuses that Drake
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 14: May would never get a million years.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 15: So I'm not sure what the issue is.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is getting absolutely eviscerated. Yeah. I don't know
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I also am not sure he deserves to be, by
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm also not sure he has a great, he does
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: not have a great coach. I think he, he once
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: was a great coach, but I don't know if Jim
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh is still a great coach.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: That team's a mess.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: That team is an absolute mess, and he's getting killed
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: for it. I mean, they're even making fun of him
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: about his wife.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Like, he's even, I mean, even that part is getting
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: brought up now. I heard.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: I heard them talking about that this morning as I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: was driving.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I kind of.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can say. Like, she's the problem?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 14: No, no, no.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: No, just like he's got to be. Yeah, like he
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: didn't do anything in the offseason. I don't know if
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: he did or didn't. He was doing something.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about, like, off-season program and stuff. They had
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: a new– He skipped– I.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Know what you're talking about. He skipped a few OTAs
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have a whole new system. Like, I'm
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: not a huge OTA guy, but the starting quarterback probably
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: needs to be involved in OTAs, especially when you're putting
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: in a new offensive system. And if he wasn't and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: his mind wasn't fully where it should have been, this
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: is what shows. Now, I'm looking right here. It's just funny.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter. Most dropbacks under pressure through five weeks.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: He's fourth in the league 82 times. He's been under pressure.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: That's the top five. So, you know, is it all
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: on him? No, but he's been awful. I mean, absolutely awful.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: He's like 38th out of 39 eligible passers. I think
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Cooper Rush is the only passer who's behind him. Wow.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: So they're 0-5, and a big part of the reason
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: for that is Justin Herbert. And I think a lot
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: of people are talking about it.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't see any, any break he's getting.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we want to get into the whole, like, well,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Drake may like Drake may was pretty bad for three weeks.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: He was better in Buffalo and then had this unbelievable
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: game against the Raiders. And now what is everybody saying?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: He's back.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: He's back.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: So like, let's pump the brakes on everybody. Jumped off
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: the break. The Drake made a bandwagon.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: The Packers smoked the bears this week and everybody was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: jumping off the Packers bandwagon saying that they were done.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I was listening to one of Paul's shows this morning
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and they played the Shannon Sharp clip. That's where I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: heard that Madison beer. And the, none of the hosts
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: on the show had any idea who she was. And
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: they were all, like, Googling it and trying to figure
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Weren't you surprised that, like, the Shannon Sharps of the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: world didn't know who she was?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Because was it Ocho Cinco was the other one?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: He's like, who is this?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: And she's like, you know, I got to look this up.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: And like, I was just surprised that those guys didn't know.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Who she was. Well, I just thought it was funny
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: because other than being his girlfriend, who is she? She's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a singer. She's a social media influencer as well.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know who she is. She's a singer.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: But I would think that, you know, like Shannon Sharp
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: and those guys.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: So the funny part about Paul's shows is that they're
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there and they have no idea who she is.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And so they're like, you know, why is he with her? Like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: you know, what does she do? Yada, yada, yada. What
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: does she do? And all these different things. And I'm
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: just thinking to myself, she's more famous than he is. Like,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: she is literally more famous than he is. And it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: was just funny to the three old white guys had
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: no idea who he was.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: It's just a weird marriage to me, McDaniel and Harbaugh
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: from the beginning. And I just wonder how much of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: a part of that is there. Jim Harbaugh seems like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: old school, you know, fullback. And the Mike McDaniel is like,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: we're speed.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: We're misdirection. We're fancy. You know, we're timing. It always
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: seemed strange to me.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe that's why they brought McDaniel in, but maybe
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: there's just not matching.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I thought it was actually made more sense than other
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: people did. Like, McDaniel, he played with a fullback all
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the time in Miami. Like, you know, Alec Ingold was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: on their team and was a big part of what
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: they did. They ran the ball really well, especially when
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: A-chan started to get going. And, like, I don't think
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that McDaniel was somebody that, like, isn't like a run
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the ball line of scrimmage kind of guy. Now Miami
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't built that way, you know, personnel wise when he
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: was the head coach there, but I, I, I don't
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: know what it is.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: I just always got the impression that the McDaniel run
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: game was more speed based. Like they're looking to catch
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: edges in, you know, fine creases like with a chant,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: you know, as an example. And I, I think of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh as what Mike said, kind of, You know, we're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: going to get like Patrick Ricard type fullbacks that are
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: really tackles and just power our way through this game.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a great match. Now, I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: didn't expect it to be this much of a train wreck.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: But I also, you know, no one's fault again. But like,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: do you know they played the game without four linemen again? Like,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: how did they get there again? They played with four
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: rookies on the offensive line in Cole Strange. On Sunday,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: I was listening to that game when I was driving home.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: The Broncos, by the way, are kind of a mess, too.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Now, last year, correct me if I'm wrong, they had.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: They had the guys healthy for a little bit, and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: they were good, and then you could kind.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Of miss the whole year.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Well, one of them missed the whole year. Rashawn Slater
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: missed the whole year. Rashawn was gone the whole year. Yeah,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: he tore his patella tendon that day. But wasn't there
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: a period?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, they made the playoffs, so they obviously had
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: a portion of time where they were okay. But I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: know they were falling.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Apart at the end.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: The line was in shambles all year. The line was
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: really in shambles all year. That's why Herbert was getting
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: as much credit as he was getting is that He
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: had no time to throw and was finding ways to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: win these games anyway.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And put up good numbers. Now he's a mess. They
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: fired Greg Roman because Greg Roman's dropback passing game is
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: just not up to snuff. He's a great run game designer.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: The passing game has always been limited, even going back
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: to his time with Baltimore or San Francisco. And so
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: they brought in McDaniel, like trying to, update the passing
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: game and try and, you know, get some of the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: schemes to be a little bit more creative in the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: passing game. And it just, it hasn't, it hasn't taken hold.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: Like schematically, schematics aside, like there's just two of the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: most quirky dudes in the NFL, those two guys, and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: kind of on different ends of the spectrum.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: It's a good point about the quirky nature of both
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: of those guys. Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Personality-wise, they're different.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: And then you add in, like, a team that's renting
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: their home stadium, and, you know, they don't really, like,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: there's just so much going on with the Chargers.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're so, they're, none of it good.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: Their content department does pretty good.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: You hear all the Bills fans last night at that game?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: It was like half built.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: That happens at so far.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Almost no matter what.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I know it's in L.A.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: That don't have home fans.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: The other thing, toward the end of that game, just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: how bad Herbert's been. They have a 17-10 lead in
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. It starts that they go for a
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: fourth down in their own territory, which I thought was
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: kind of foolish. Denver hadn't moved the ball. It's just punt.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: So they get stopped. That leads to the tying touchdown.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: The next possession, Herbert's getting sacked, and he's just about
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: on the ground, and he kind of half-hearted tries to, like,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: throw it, and he ends up moving the ball back,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: and it hits one of his offensive linemen's foot, who
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: happened to be on the ground. Never a good sign
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: when your offensive linemen are on the ground, by the way.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: So the ball gets knocked out of his hands, fumble,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: that leads to the go-ahead field goal. And then, like,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: they're down at the end, and he's got a chance
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: to throw four. It's fourth and six. It's not like
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: fourth and 100. And he threw the ball right to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: a Bronco. Like, it was three straight, basically three straight turnovers.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: One of them was a turnover on downs, but just
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: can't get out of their own way.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: All right, he's back.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: And they're going to be 0-9.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Christian in L.A. What's up, Christian?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: Hey, what's up, Fred? Hey, what's up, guys?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 11: Good day, good day. Tony, I can't hear you.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 19: Can you hear me?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: Sorry, my voice is a little out. I was at
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 11: the Rams game last night yelling my head off at
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 11: all the stupid egregious plays that the Rams did to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: let the Bills win that game last night. I was horrified. Anyway, Paul,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 11: I don't speak up on purpose, but intentionally. I've been
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: trying to get through something that's going on with my signal.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: But anyway, I have always been willing to take my lumps,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 11: you guys. I, like everybody, like a lot of the people, after,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: and Paul, I've got to say, you keep saying three
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 11: weeks of bad play. Drake May played bad for about
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 11: eight football weeks, including the player. I'm sorry, I'm going
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 11: to include that. So, yes, I, like a lot of people,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: thought a quarterback going into his second full year in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 11: the offense usually has a little bit of aggression going.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 11: And that's what I point out. There was some aggression
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 11: going with Drake May. You guys may deny that, but
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 11: that was true. I am thankful that I was wrong,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 11: or hopefully wrong, although I do need to see one
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 11: more game of him playing like he plays to say, okay,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 11: he's out of his slump. So if anybody out there
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 11: wants to give me lumps or don't want me to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 11: call whatever, give me my lumps.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: I am a Patriots fan.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Would the Patriots have beaten the Texans last year without
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: the plays that Drake May made?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 11: I think that... The Texans got beat by C.J. Stroud
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 11: making the amount of turns. Any professional team, if you
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 11: turn the ball over with that amount of time, yes,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 11: the other team is going to win.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Two calls in a row, Christian. I'm with you.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: The Patriots had to score some points, right, in order
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: to win that game?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: C.J.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Stroud did that for them.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 11: I mean, C.J. Stroud helped them out. But on to
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 11: football with what's going on now. Can you guys agree
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 11: with me on one thing, if anything? I think that we,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 11: while this gentleman still has the trade value, and with
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 11: the emergence of the other two receivers that I'm going
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 11: to wait a couple of weeks, I want Romeo Dobbs
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 11: the hell out of here, and I want a linebacker
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 11: that can cover.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Contractually, it can't happen.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 11: Can we get rid of him now?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: Last thing I got.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 11: We had a discussion. We were talking last night about
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 11: two things that we would definitely change. I know you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 11: guys hate fancy football. Two things that we would definitely change.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: It's a.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 11: He's the only way to stop another player, another receiver,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 11: is to keep giving him pass interferences. But at the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 11: end of the game, that receiver's stat line reads, you know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 11: one catch for five yards. But he was the cause of.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: They should get credit for that. What, the pass interference penalties?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and their stats.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: We could have, like, a different column.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 11: When a defense can do a tackle for loss, six, seven,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 11: eight yards, they should get credit for that, too. So
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 11: I'll pick up the air.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: okay thank you they do get credit for that yeah
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: i don't know anyway um so right for a guy
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: with all that money he's got the worst phone i don't.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Think that you should get credit for a catch that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: you didn't make.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: No i don't think it should go down as like
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a receiving yards thing but it's penalty yards yeah it
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: is kind of as penalty.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: But i i think i think that should you should
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: like you said there should be a column how many
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: how many pass interferences did you draw over the course
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: of a season and i also think that um Linemen
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: should get credit for holds that they cause.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: They do. They keep track of who gets the penalties.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the stat line. You don't see it
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: in the stat line.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: We have something from Mike Tussauds in the breaking news department.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: Thank you to Julianne Chalicombe for giving this to us all.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 8: Tom Palacero reports Patriots left tackle Will Campbell avoided a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: major knee injury Sunday. Test confirmed. He's considered weak to weak.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: So perhaps he avoids an IR trip.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: I would tell Tom Palacero to check with Ian Rappaport,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: who wrote that yesterday.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: That's okay. I would just say, like, I don't know.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: We talked to Matt Collins at his locker on Wednesday.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: I think he's going on IR.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: He said he was hoping that he was going to practice,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: and then three days later he was on IR.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: I think he sprained his MCL, which is what Rappaport
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: said yesterday. Last year they put him on IR, and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: when he came back from IR, he was thoroughly ineffective.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: If he has the same injury that he had last year,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they would decide that it's going
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: to be less time off this time around based on
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: the way it unfolded last year.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, if you're not playing the Chargers, the Texans,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: the Seahawks, then a Broncos.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about him, not the opponent, to be honest
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: with you. I worry about him being healthy enough to play,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: especially with how well Momu played in his absence.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Well enough to anchor. You know, like that was the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: biggest problem with him when he came back from the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: injury last year is he had no power in his
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: lower half. He couldn't anchor against bull rushes.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Guys are pushing him back into the quarterback.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: So. I don't know.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I just, with all these injuries.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Get healthy.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Drake May's shoulder was fine, then he's on the injury report.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Matt Collins avoided an injury, and then he's on IR. Like,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to. You just don't know. You just
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Now, maybe, you know, maybe he doesn't have to miss
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: four full games, and they don't want to put him
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: on IR. Maybe the stuff that we talked about earlier
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: in the show, with the amount of guys they're going
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: to have on IR that they're going to have to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: bring back, maybe they want to try to save one,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: even if he ends up missing. three or four games that,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: you know, if they can avoid, who knows, maybe they
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: can avoid having to bring another guy back.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Even if Campbell is okay to play this week, I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: wouldn't play him. I wouldn't play him this week.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to play anybody. Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Unless Ian Rappaport is completely wrong, which I, I do
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: not take any of these things as complete gospel, but
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: if Rappaport was wrong and he doesn't have a sprained ankle, MCL.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: That's the only way I would even think about playing. Well,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: he has a sprained MCL. I don't think he should play.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: It could be sprained, but it could be a minor sprain.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't play him this week.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: But even then, I wouldn't play him.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't play him.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: If he sprained his MCL, I would not play him
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as Drake May plays on Sunday against
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: the Jets, I think me, Paul, and Mike could go
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: out there with him, and they'd probably win this game.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. Thanks. You're welcome.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: I can't really give you much other than clock management.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie. I've got nothing to give.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Brady's in Cambridge. Hey, Brady.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 9: Hey, can you guys hear me?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: Awesome.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so just kind of thinking back to the talk
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: at the start.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 19: Of the season about Drake May and giving him more
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 19: responsibility to do pre-snap processing behind the line of scrimmage,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 19: I guess the thought that I have is perhaps one
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 19: thing that we can attribute, and I know there's a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 19: lot of factors, but Is it possible that we were
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 19: giving him too much responsibility.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 17: To do those pre-snap reads behind the line of scrimmage?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: And not that he can't do them, but just that
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: possibly when he doesn't have to make as many pre-snap
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: choices himself, perhaps he's able to play with.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: Some more freedom behind the line of scrimmage. And I'll
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: take it out there.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I have not noticed a change in that at all. Now,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not in the headset. I'm just reading body language
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and what he's doing pre-snap and stuff like that.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: I haven't.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's getting more comfortable with it with each passing game.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's possible. But I haven't really noticed a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: stark difference between what's on his plate now versus what
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: was the first three weeks of the season. He's just
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball better. How's Wilson doing at center?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: I think he's been better. Last couple weeks have been better.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: I've been hard on him. I would say early I
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: was unsure of what he was. Everyone was just defaulting to,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: this is his natural position.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: It'll be great. And wanted to see what it looked like.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think at times he still struggles with
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 8: power a little bit, but I think the rankings would
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: tell you that he's doing pretty well. And I think
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: the eye test would tell you he's doing a little better.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: AVT too. I think both those guys have, have been
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: pretty good.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Sunday was, was excellent across the board. I thought almost
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: every time he would drop back, he had a significant
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: amount of time to look around.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: They had, um, some issues with the stunts inside that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the Raiders ran a couple of times, just like some
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: pass offs and things like that. Um, Crosby had more
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: pressure than I thought he did watching live. I didn't
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: feel very impactful watching the game, watching it back here.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought the offensive line was really, really good.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I thought what was really particular was good is they
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: had a lot of really clean pockets, like ham sandwich
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: kind of pockets that I don't think unless they really
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: loaded up the protections and stuff like that before they
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: weren't getting those as consistently, there was maybe a little
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: bit more leaky than I thought watching it the first time.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: But the, uh, The pockets that they did keep him
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: clean were like he had all day back there, which
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: they haven't done as much, you know, the first three weeks.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Manny's in New Bedford.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 11: Hey, Manny. Hey, what's going on, guys?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Hey, Manny.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 17: What I found pretty interesting, two points here, back to
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 17: what the last car was saying. I don't know about
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: you guys, maybe I'm delusional, but I noticed that what
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 17: I found pretty interesting is that we had over 100
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 17: yards in penalties, right? But I noticed a sense of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 17: urgency of the offense getting out of that huddle. I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 17: almost felt like every time they were pre-snapping and doing
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 17: all these motions, they still had plenty of time to
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 17: kind of see what the defense was throwing at them.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 17: So I don't know if that contributes to the success
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 17: of the offense. That's my first point. My second point is, man,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 17: I'm just getting tired of Romeo Dobbs. I know we
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 17: keep talking about it, but we're paying this guy $ 20
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 17: million and he can't make contested catches.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: We got guys.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 17: second year in, making better catches than he, and he's
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 17: making $ 20 million a year. Like, we got to figure
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 17: something out with this, but I'll figure it out for you. Thanks, guys.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, we've touched on Dobbs.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I said we hit a point
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: this summer where you thought some of these catches that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 8: he's not making in the games seem like his specialty.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, how many times did I see him strong
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: hands in the end zone, go up, grab a ball,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: and I never really noticed him having problems catching through
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: contact He's just having problems catching.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: He double catches passes. It seems like every single time
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: he even catches a ball, it's not completely clean some
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: of the times. I agree.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: It's been a struggle in every game but the Buffalo game.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: The Buffalo game, I thought he looked normal. But this one,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: he dropped a go ball down the sideline.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: He could have made that catch.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: It's just the inconsistency. It's almost like, are you good
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: or do you stink? I'd rather just tell me. Because
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 8: sometimes you look good and other times you look bad.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: Maybe he finds consistency here. I think the point I
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 8: was going to make was, and you kind of touched
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: on it, Paul, A.J. Brown returns. Maybe it allows him
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 8: to do more of the stuff that you said, and
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: it gets more into what the role that he was brought.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Into play once A.J. Brown is back. So I'm going to.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 8: Wait and see. You're not getting rid of him anytime soon,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: so I think you've just got to ride the roller coaster.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Ryan has a stump to grump trying to get a
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: T-shirt in honor of the Chisholm lateral and also admittedly
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: to try to get a T-shirt for Paul. When was
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the last time the Patriots scored a touchdown on a lateral?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: You know. Doesn't necessarily have to be an offensive play.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Then I'm going to go to the AFC Championship game
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: in 2001 off the block field goal. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Troy Brown picked up a block field goal and passed
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: it back to Antoine Harris who scored.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't say that and I was thinking
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: it had to be offensive, I was going to go
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: back to like 93.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Leonard Russell in Arizona. Okay. There's a bonus question.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: When was the last non-special teams lateral for the Patriots?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Is that it?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: 1983, week four against the Steelers. Player I couldn't identify
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: intercepted a cliff stout pass who, from the ground, tossed
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: it back to Clayton Weishun.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Clayton Weishun. So that would be, but there was an
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: offensive lateral in Arizona in 93. It was Drew's rookie year.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: And they were, remember they started that season.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Where was your boy this weekend, by the way?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: One on 11.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: He was busy.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: He checked in. They were 1-11. That was their one win.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: They beat the.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Cardinals in Arizona. I think there was a run that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: they kind of lateral. I think Leonard Russell was involved
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: in a lateral, but I'll look into that.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: I'll check that out.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Get back to you tomorrow. Dark days there.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: And then they won the last four, go 5-11, set
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: the stage for playoff year in 94.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Carl writes in, I keep thinking that with McDaniel's previous
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: reliance on the third down pass catching back, we would
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: have someone solid in that role by now. Keep hoping
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: it's Lane Larrison, but he's only appeared sparingly this year.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: So have we given up on that or just not
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: found the right guy?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Ramondre Stevenson is the guy, but I'm
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: going to go back to what I say a lot
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: about Drake May. I don't think that those plays are
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: his favorites. I think some of that is to do
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: with the quarterbacks. who's willing to take those checkdowns and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: looking for those checkdowns and whatnot. James White, Rex Burkhead.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Jake Mays' own checkdown. He just runs and gets the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: first down.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: He's his own checkdown.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: It's funny. Check down me. I don't remember what the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: numbers are updated through this week, but they were down
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: near the bottom of the league in short pass attempts,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: like passes under 10 yards.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 11: In the air.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: But they're at the top of the league and obviously
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: second level and deep balls, which tracks, given the quarterback.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, why would he throw short when
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: he can just run for an explosive? In the Buffalo game,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: he just ran for 26 yards down the sideline. I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: don't need James White. I got James White right here.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 8: What do you think all the running Josh Allen did
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 8: last night all of a sudden? They took the governor
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 8: off him.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I would love to know with that because I was–
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Tweeting a little bit during the end of that game,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: because I was staying up to see if the Patriots
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: are going to be in first place in the division,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: of course. And they. They he did all this running
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: and I was just wondering, like. Did the Patriots do
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: a great job of containing him, or did Josh Allen
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: contain himself?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: My guess is it's both.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that looked like his aggressiveness running the ball
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: last night was a different player than the one the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Patriots played.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: That's what I was saying to Mike. There's no way
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: you go from running the ball 10 times, 11 times,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: 12 times, and then.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Five times and then back up to whatever he ran
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: last night.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I think it was almost a career high, like up
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: with his record season.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: When I think it was a nine for one Oh
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: eight or something like that.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: But it's to me, it's the amount of attempts in
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: last night. He was scrambling. It wasn't just design runs.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: He was scrambling around and making yards. He didn't have
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: one single time that he scrambled beyond the line of
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: scrimmage in the Patriots game. The runs were quarterback sneaks
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: and he had one design run that they, they snuffed
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: out and dropped it for like a three yard loss.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: And even that, he didn't try to make anybody miss.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: He didn't try to bowl anybody over.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: And last night.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: He went down.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Killers last night. I mean, he was killing them.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, we really didn't throw the ball well at all.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: They really didn't.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: He said it, too. He's like, you know, the passing
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: game was, I saw him at the end of the game.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I saw the highlights this morning. And he said we
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: couldn't really throw the ball. I mean, you're missing. you know,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: two of your three guys, and it was basically just
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Shakir and Coleman. And, you know, you had the tight ends.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: And what did you say, Fred, that you only threw
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: four balls.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: To his wide receivers?
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But he ended up, you know, still with over
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: 300 yards total offense.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how the Rams can't figure out
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: special teams. It blows my mind.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: It seems like too good of a coach to be
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: that bad.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Like, that's such a great coaching staff and such a
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: great operation and Because a lot of people last night
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: were obviously crapping on the Rams' defense.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: It's like Miles Garrett got hurt, and it's like, oh,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: we can't play defense now.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Well, the Rams' defense is pretty good. It wasn't last night.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: They were made to look bad by a good offense.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a quarterback they were playing is an alien. But, like,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: they win the game if they can make the kick
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: at the end of the game.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: And they, they don't, it's not even that he missed it. He,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: they got a block.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: And this is year after year after year.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 8: And like, I think it's the third kick blocked in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: the last two years. Yeah, no, it's not a new thing.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: And they, they fired their special teams coordinator.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: They hired bones, John fossil, who was like supposed to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: be regarded as this like great special teams coordinator guru.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: And they still can't figure it out. And I, I just,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: if I was a Rams fan, it would drive me
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: up a wall. They're losing like, important games on special teams.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: They still got that thicker kicker to me. This I love.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: And he has no leg. He can't even make it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: over 50 plus. I'm like, he just embodies the special
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: team so well. Like who's this fat guy? I don't know.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: It's Ryan.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: It's SoCal watching red zone on Sunday. As soon as
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: I saw Jaden Daniels take the sack late in overtime,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, can't wait to hear Paul loses
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: mine on the post game show for how terrible that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: game management was. It looks like another coach, needs to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: sign up for Paul's school of clock management. Maybe with
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: enough coaches taking his classes, he can finally afford to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: buy a new car.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: So there was a lot of bad clock management last night.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: I thought that was on the coaches. I, I got
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: a little different take. I'm sorry. I put the Washington game, um,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: pretty much squarely on Jaden Daniels. Um, I think Dan
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Quinn is doing the right thing. I think he's protecting
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: his quarterback and he's putting it on himself. Cause that's
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: what coaches do. And that's what they should do. Um,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: but any quarterback who's ever played at really, and even
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: at the high school level, but certainly a guy who's
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: played six years of college ball, like Jaden Daniels did is,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: should be beyond that, that kind of a mental mistake.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: He looked like he lost track of what was going on.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: He looked confused and he didn't know what to do.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: And that's on him. That's on him. They all said,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: they all said they knew they didn't have any timeouts.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: So there was no confusion as to whether or not
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: they had a timeout. Um, And you just can't do that. Now,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: last night, I thought there was some clock management issues.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Joe Brady, I think, got lucky.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they said that the play clock, like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the clocks were off on TV. So there was one
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: situation right before the two-minute warning where the Bills were
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: going to run it down to the two-minute warning. But
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: it looked like the play clock was going to run
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: out before they hit the two-minute warning. but I think
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: what happened is like, there was like a plate clock
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: operator issue.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know about that one.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: And so then they gave it to him and then, uh, they,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: the Rams got pretty lucky at the end of, uh,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: it was a regulation. that they even scored a touchdown
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: because they took their sweet time to get on the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: ball and run that play. Now, they were trying to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: milk clock, but I don't think they were trying to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: milk that much clock.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they would have had one more play if
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: he didn't get in because they had a timeout.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, it was a lot closer than
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: it needed to be.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and they took a play away from themselves.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: They'd like to have four plays, so they took a
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: couple of plays away because that was first down that
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: they scored on. I don't understand why Buffalo didn't call timeout.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Like they get down to the one yard line. There
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: was like 25 seconds left. Call timeout. They're not going
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: to run out of time.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: They're either going to score and you're going to.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Give yourself a chance for a Hail Mary or something.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: But it wouldn't even have been a Hail Mary. They
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: would have had like 20 seconds. If they had just scored,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: then they would have had Josh Allen with 20 seconds.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're going to get a field goal and win
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: the regulation.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: That drive that Stafford put together to put the game
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: into overtime was incredible. I mean, just absolutely.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: But did you see the.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Drive before that? The Bills went down on, like, four plays.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: It was all, like, short passes and missed tackles. It
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: was ridiculous. The Rams absolutely, I mean, that was surgical. Like,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: people were saying it was bad defense. Like, I'm sorry.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: When Puka, Nakua, and Stafford are cooking like that, I
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're supposed to do.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: He's good, that Puka kid.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately. He is, man.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: All right, back to the phones. Let's go to, let's see.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Blake is in North Carolina. What's up, Blake?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: Hey, how are you all doing?
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, Blake.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: I'm a first-time caller.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Two questions.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: So, first of all, obviously you've got a ton of
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: injuries going on right now. Do you guys think we're
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: going to take or go for any trades soon, like
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: Tony Pollard or someone like that? And then, two, obviously
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of our backups are getting some good game time.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Do you think that's going to pay dividends further down
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: the line, maybe especially for the postseason as well?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know about trades, you know, because you've got
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: to give something up for a trade.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: I'm interested. It just depends on, you know, what we're
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: talking about. Tony Pollard?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: What team does Tony Pollard play for?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's on the Titans, right?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, find somebody else. Yeah.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: What, you wouldn't take him for, like, a day three pick?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Titans would trade him here. Oh,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't really understand. I was like, that's the kind
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: of team that's trading veterans.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: They're not in the business of helping the Patriots.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get his point.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: It's too hard to predict. You've got so many injuries
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: I feel like with trades, if you're one player away,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: I know Mohamed Sanu, it did not work out, but
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: the theory was like, man, if we just had one
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: more receiver, we'd have what we.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: But when you.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 8: Have so many guys on IR, who's coming back, who isn't,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 8: it's hard to say. I like the running back position.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't be opposed to adding another running back.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, definitely need to look at at least some
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: body at running back. I mean, like maybe you trust
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Larrison to be the third back, but then did you
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: trust Kiner to be the second back and like that
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: whole thing? And like, I don't know if it's a trade,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: but you know, somebody that's a veteran, like a Jamal Williams,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: who's played a little bit and you know, it has
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: some experience. When is the trade deadline?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: It's like November.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Usually like around Halloween.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: Halloween.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: I would just, I get an early jump on it
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 8: next year.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Let's get a third back.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: Who can do a lot of stuff and like, it
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: can't be the Stevenson Henderson show again, going into next year.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: They need another guy, preferably with some high upside. Trade deadlines,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: November 10th, November 10th.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: A little bit later this year then. Yeah.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I think they moved it back a week on purpose
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to give teams a little bit more time to see what,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: what they have and you know, that kind of stuff.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: All right. We'll stay in North Carolina.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Sabah. What's up Sabah. What are you going to yell
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: at us about today?
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: Sabah. Oh.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: She tapped out.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Raleigh.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Raleigh, Virginia. North Carolina. Where's Raleigh?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Raleigh, North Carolina. Yeah. Let's go to Colin.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: What's up, Colin?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Welcome to fifth grade geography.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: Colin.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, fellas.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 11: Can you hear me? Yes.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 11: I'm asking from Rozzy.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Roslindale.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 11: Not Raleigh.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Roslindale.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Very different. That's a long way from Raleigh.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah, close enough.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 14: But I sent in an email, and I figured I'd
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 14: call because I have some time. I think there's some
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 14: other people that are maybe having the same feeling as me,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 14: but I wanted to give me a call because I
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 14: really thought Drake May was like a Sam Darnold situation
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 14: where he needed to be let go and rehab or something.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 14: And I'm glad I am not in charge of teams.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 11: Because he's, he's a dog. He's, he's fine.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: Second thing, Paul, I had the same idea as you
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 14: with your fresh cake. I think we need to have
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 14: a change in flag. Maybe we should only have like 15.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: 16 flags a game and that's it.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 11: And they can figure out what's really egregious. And after that,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 11: the game just goes on. I don't want to see
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 11: the flags. I'm done with the flags.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: But that's all I got.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: They've made the game very hard to watch. It just is.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: Like every play that has, especially if you're watching on
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: TV and you don't see the flag, you see a
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: play unfold and you immediately don't even get excited. You
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: just wait to see.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: If that little flag bug comes up. I just worry
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: if they start telling these refs, hey, you know, keep it.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: keep the flags in your pocket, the players are going
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: to take that and run with it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: But I'd rather have that. At least the players are
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: deciding what happens.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Not when my guy's getting hold. If I'm holding them,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: I like it. But not when my team's being held.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say only call the egregious ones. No.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Because what's the threshold?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Each person's threshold of egregious is different.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: It's impossible to do that.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: But if I have my choice between what I watched
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: on Sunday with the Raiders game and having no penalties
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: called and anarchy, I'll take the anarchy. At least the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: players are deciding it.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Can I ask what we all thought about the intentional grounding?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't like that call either.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it in the vicinity of Hunter Henry?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: There were two guys there. I think they were blocking.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: That's an eligible reason.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't Josh Allen, Paul.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: I think it was a bad call.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen was deemed outside the tackle box, which we
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: can argue whether he was or not. I actually think
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: that did. But I've never seen it legislated that way.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: but because usually they try to stay out of intent,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: like what was his intent on the play. By the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: spirit of the rule, there's no doubt he was grounding
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: And that's my argument with Josh Allen from two weeks ago.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing. The same thing. He was not
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: trying to complete a pass. That's a penalty. They don't
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: call it that way. They did call it that way
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: in this one.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: So I think that one's a little... saw Reese tweeting
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: about this this morning. He he went back and watched
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: the NFL operations, little videos that they put out about
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: all the rules and stuff. And and he was saying
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: that there is like a line in there about. deciding
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: whether or not the player he's throwing to, who's an
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: eligible receiver actually has any real legitimate chance to make
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: a play on the ball.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: If he's engaged in a block and his back is
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: to the ball, right.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: That's yeah. Right. So I think by the spirit of
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: the rule, I can see where they were coming from,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: but they just never call it that way. Like I've
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: seen Brady do that a million times. Just a good
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: play is dead. I'm just going to throw the ball
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: right into the guys.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: It's all about protecting the quarterback. They want to give
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: the quarterback the idea in his head. If I do this,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: They'll help me out. They won't call grounding. So, you know,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: to keep them from being injured.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: I know why the rule exists. I just don't think
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: that they call it properly. And, you know, I've seen
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: many screens get blown up and they just throw the ball.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: They rifle it into the ground at the guy's feet.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: There's no intention of completing that pass.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Chucky in Wisconsin. What's up, Chucky?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 18: How are you all?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 15: It was out of Speed Queen, so the Unimax series
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 15: has now got a 200-pound member that can handle 200
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 15: pounds of laundry.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good. What do you got, Fred?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 15: You might need a new floor in your house, so
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 15: it weighs about a ton.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 15: A couple of things about the Patriots, though. One, I'd
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 15: kind of like to find one lesson to learn each year.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 15: And I think this year might be the lesson of
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 15: it's never as bad as it looks and it's never
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 15: as good as it looks. And I guess the question
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 15: for you all is, do you have any updates on Bryant?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 15: I know he was designated to return, but do we
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 15: feel like he's going to be able to contribute yet?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he has not begun practicing yet.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: All right. So I think Grable was asked last week
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: if any of the guys that were eligible, you know,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: and he said no, they're not at that spot where
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: they can start practicing yet. So I don't know if
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: that means Marcus Bryant physically isn't ready to practice yet
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: or no, because he would be eligible to return.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Because he said like that where the roster is at.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: So I kind of looked at it as like he
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: was saying that there wasn't a spot for any for
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: any of those guys. Cause they like the players that
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: are playing instead of them. But now that Campbell is
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: hurt and Lomo has to play interested to see now
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: they have a, you know, cause like crown over was
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: inactive for the game and has been the last couple
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: of weeks. So, you know, maybe now the depth of
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: tackle has changed and it's time to bring Brian back. But, uh, the, uh,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: it's never as bad as it seems category. Like, I
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: know that this is like a little, like, how is
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: the play Mrs. Lincoln, but like the, uh, If you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: took out just the turnovers from Drake May, the rest
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: of it efficiency wise was actually pretty good. And the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: funny thing is, is like now in a game like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Sunday where he starts to take some of the turnovers
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: actually out and we're not just doing it. The fake way, like,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the efficiency is staying the same on all the other plays. So, like,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: it was bad. Don't get me wrong. But he was
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: turning the ball over like crazy, and that was what
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: was the bad part. And the less turnovers, like, you know,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: the good plays, there were still some of those.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: I like the whole lesson.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole lesson.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: It's never as bad as it looks. That's right. Don't
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: think that, okay, Sunday... That's it. Like every week, no matter,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: regardless of opponent, regardless of time of year, that's what
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: you're going to get every week. It's nobody does what
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: he did every week, probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Just to confirm, but he's done what he's dead on
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Sunday at all. This season, Harold Landry's on PUP. So
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: he would not qualify to take an IR return spot.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: He would not be a different list.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: And he's also eligible now.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Like he has, he could be practicing.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that, um, Ashton in Louisiana says, we said
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: before the season we needed more edge rushers, and Akis, Ponder,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: and Jones have been great. At the deadline, do we
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: add depth or swing for a true stud?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I'm just concerned about... Are we
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: good with what we've got?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 8: I'm good with what we've got. I think they're good
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: with what they have. I'm just concerned Draymond Jones' health.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: Going through it again and the pain, I mean, I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: don't know if that was just the shoulder popped out again.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: The problem with those separated shoulders, if it keeps happening,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: the ligaments actually get loose.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: And it's more apt to happen more often.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's the dislocation, and Fred's right.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: I actually think it's reasonable to expect acus. to build,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: to get, I mean, he's just started, you know, so
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: it's a limit. I think you can get, I think
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: you reasonably can expect him to be a better player
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: maybe in a month than he is now. I think
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: ponder is giving you something, but Draymond Jones has been really,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: I just really professional, really.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 8: Good baseline, solid pro and, and like a veteran for
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 8: the other.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about by professional.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I read about them last week and, it's
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: been a bright spot that I don't think a lot
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: of people thought was coming with all three of those guys,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: that trio being really productive, like run past all of it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: I think part of that is that core.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: I think I give it all to Zach core. I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: think he's done a great job with.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Putting them in positions.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: And Mike Smith, the outside linebackers coach, we're going to
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: go coaching and like those guys, I think deserve a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: lot of credit, but you know, ponder as, at least
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: as a pass rusher is he's on track for like 11,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: 12 sacks this year. And, You know, Akis has been
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Speed to power.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: You can't block him with a tight end. I mean,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: that was crazy.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: The tight ends.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: That's two weeks in a row. One was a tackle.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: One was a tight end. But he's just ragdolled two
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: guys in a row, you know, two weeks in a row.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: A guy, you know, in pass protection. I think Akis is, like,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: he's a hell of a football player. He's fun to watch.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: He's really good.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 8: The energy he plays with, which we knew he played with,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 8: but that's translated. I just wonder maybe if... Jones is
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 8: banged up at a certain point. Landry's ready to come.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Back to you.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 8: Maybe say, all right, let's rest Jones a little bit.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: Give Landry a shot for a couple of weeks. Let
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 8: him get in there and give us that veteran presence.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: But I have a hard time seeing how if Jones
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: kind of stays healthy. how you get Landry into that.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 8: I don't want to pull reps from Accus or Ponder.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: I'm doing the Fred Kirsch. I'm not expecting anything from
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: Harold Landry.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me neither. And honestly, this is no disrespect to
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Harold Landry. Ponder and Accus need to play. Yeah, right.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Those two guys, not only are they good, they're two
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: of your better players right now, but they're two young guys.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Let those two guys play because... I guess if I
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: guess develops like a secondary rush move off the bull rush.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: And he learns, if he learns how to play, he's
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: just like an athlete right now. Like what happens when
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: he actually figures things out?
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But even like, again, he's reading box against the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: run pretty well. And like, he already plays the run
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: pretty well. I would say at another stuff in the
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: game on Sunday and, and like the bull rush is legit.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on the run. I think he's
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: pretty good.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Pretty good against the run.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Tim and Boston quick pet peeve for Evan. Um, And
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: when you talk about percentages, he says. For example, success
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: rate going from 20% to 30% is not a 10% increase.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. You know that, right?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: Sure. Okay.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: It's a 10-point increase. When you say percent, it is
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: relative to the starting value, whereas percentage point increase refers
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: to the absolute difference between the two values.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: So you understand that, right?
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: But he's right.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Is it really, does that really like change it for anybody?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not a 10% increase. 10% increase of 20%
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: would bring it to 22%. Okay.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but like, is anybody like
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: losing sleep at night over that?
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: These things, if you want to, if you want to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: be a guy who is a statistician and an analytics guy,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: accuracy is all, all it's all about accuracy.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: You need to be able to take a little bit
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: of criticism.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Come on. I can take criticism, but we're parsing words
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: here at this point.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Patrick in Ottawa. Another Evan email.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Keep him sick. His voice is much more pleasant. I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: do get that a lot.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: Get that deep voice, that deep bass.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Kyle from Pembroke. Question to the ball knowers.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Has Raritan looked in blocking? How has he looked in
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: blocking and route running? I know it's early, but does
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: it seem like he's the tight end of the future?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: He's fighting. He's fighting.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Make it play.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: He's fighting in the block. He makes one big play
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: a week, which is exactly what I thought he would do.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Right now, he's doing exactly what I expected of him.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: The big playability that he showed at college, especially last year,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: his last season at Notre Dame is translating right now. And,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: and that's, that's a good sign. I mean, it's not
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: high volume, but it's one 30 yard play a game
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: is that's a good thing to have. And he can
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: really get vertical and, and, you know, take off on
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: the seams and the wheel routes and things like that.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: And the blocking is, is passable. It's good enough for now.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I like to see him maybe expand the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: route tree a little bit more, but I liked it.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: What they're giving him is perfect right now. Um, Barton
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Poland has a reminder.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: Don't ever forget that far too many people wanted us
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: to take the generational wide receiver prospect in Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: instead of Drake. Never forget, Marvin Harrison Jr. wasn't even
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: the best wide receiver prospect. in that draft, and I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: said it before the draft, says Bart in Poland.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: Good email. Like it, Bart.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Don't forget.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: People did want that.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: A lot of people.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is this Aliyah? Aliyah in New York?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Aliyah. Aliyah? Hey, how's it going? Just a quick comment
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: about the Ilya. Ilya. The quick comment about the stump,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: the grump.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I believe the question was the last time a Patriots
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: lateral resulted in a touchdown.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: And I think the Miami miracle.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: The last time a Patriots lateral?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Miami that did that.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Technically, it would have been Ramondre Stevenson's to the Raiders.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: The Miami one was Miami lateral.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: Yes, my bad.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: The Raiders.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Raiders.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: But Ilya is correct. The last Patriots lateral that turned
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: into a touchdown was Ramondre Stevenson to Chandler Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Right, for the other team.
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  Speaker 11: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing else. Have a good day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: A little clarification there.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: And she's back. She's ever relentless. It's Sabah from North Carolina.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, sorry.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: I'm actually from Raleigh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all knew that.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: North Carolina, that's the capital.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 13: Have you ever heard of RDU Airport, Raleigh-Durham International?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I hung up because I thought you wanted new callers.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 10: So I was like, oh, let me just.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 13: Get out of the way then.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: Well, we did, but you're last up, so good. You're here.
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  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 13: All right, so I got a couple things still.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: So excited.
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  Speaker 13: I'm on cloud nine after that victory. I mean, Drake
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 13: May look so amazing. And the Tar Heels won, too.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 13: It was a great weekend for me. But I got
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 13: two things on Drake May I don't like. I didn't
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 13: like him talking about I had time for a ham sandwich.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 13: Do not get– I mean, he goes too high and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 13: too low. Dude, you don't need to be saying that.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 13: Now they're going to make sure in the Jets no
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 13: ham sandwiches for Drake May, and they're going to come
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 13: and kill you.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 19: I wouldn't have done that.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 13: And then I don't like when he says, when I
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 13: see man-to-man coverage, that's open in the NFL.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows that's where you're going to go, though.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 13: Just stop telling your secrets. Am I overreacting to that,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 13: or did people pick up on that?
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  Speaker 3: The second one is a tremendous overreaction.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a little bit of an overreaction there.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with all due respect.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: I do think that it's funny, though. We talked about
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: it a little bit on Catch-22, about the Raiders' game
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: plan defensively in this game, just giving him the isolation
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: shots outside the numbers. You can't do that against him.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: They don't have the personnel, and I think similar to
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: the Jets.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, cover corners can cover their receivers. These
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: guys can't. Like, that Hezekiah Mass is in Stokes. I mean,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: they were overmatched in that game.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Overmatched. By not even the Patriots' front-line receivers. Like, it's
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: not even like it's A.J. Brown out there. You know,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the thing that always– I always
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: would love to, like, get the true serum with opposing coaches,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like, is this just your system? Like, what
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: is it that, like, prevents you from, like– changing it
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: up game plan wise, when you know this quarterback outside
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: the numbers is extremely accurate. And if we give him
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: go routes to Kyle Williams and we give him deep
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: shots like that to one-on-one coverage, like he is going
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: to tear us apart. And yet they come out in
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: these games and a lot of these coaches, they just,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: they play single high and they give them the deep
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: shots and he just makes them pay every time. And
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: it's just, it's funny to me how that He can
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: do that in his sleep, and they give it to him.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: They handed it right to him. Don't tell the Jets.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: Rick Lawson in Riverside, Rhode Island. His four points. First,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: I love Josh's play calling. The tight end screen was
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: the perfect call at the perfect time. That's the one
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: to Henry that he picked his way downfield. Number two,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: I'm happy for Kyle Williams. There were reports he was
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: getting discouraged. I'm glad he got a confidence boost. Yes,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: we all are happy.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: He even said it. Three, does a knee brace help
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: prevent knee sprains?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, is the short answer. Dante Scarnacchio was a big
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: proponent of the linemen all being in knee braces.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Preventively.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: And four, that dude from California who called for benching
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: May deserves a five-minute.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Beatdown from Paul.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: Verbal.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: Verbal.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's not backing down. He still believes that
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: he was warranted and saying that Drake May should be benched.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: And listen, he wasn't the only one. Like I said,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: I heard Boomer Esiason say it, and Terry Bradshaw said it.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: So, two former NFL quarterbacks.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: But, you know.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Everything's about clicks these days.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: No. Same for Boomer Esiason and Terry Bradshaw.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: That's my point.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Hot takes. Hot takes.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Not fresh takes.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Difference.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Hot takes are different from legal seafood fresh takes.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Hot and stinky.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Fresh takes taste good. Hot takes burn you. And he
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: got burned.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: Dude.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: Got burned.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's see. Lots of e-mails. Lots of people
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: wondering if we need to add to the team. I think,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: you know, because of the injuries.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Let's, yeah, let's wait and see.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 8: But I also think that you're getting an opportunity to
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: see some depth and, you know, that in the long
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: run could be more valuable than instantly trying to go
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 8: out and, you know, find a veteran. Does, you know,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: Marcus Bryant get some time when he comes back? Does
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 8: Crownover get some time? You know, can you start to
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 8: build some depth out? Be really interested to see what
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 8: those guys look like. I mean, we've talked about some
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 8: of the fluidity along the offensive line and, If you
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 8: add in a Marcus Bryan or Demetrius Crown over as
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 8: somebody who you're like, he looks like he can play
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 8: a little bit, then you're starting to really build that
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: depth that they didn't have this summer.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: All right, well, listen.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to end early because Deuce needs
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: to get going.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: This is great.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: You forgot, didn't you?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: What an honor. No, I was getting ready to go.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I was going to go in one minute. Yeah, Deuce,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: we can't do the show without Deuce. I appreciate that.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: It is true, though.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: You did bring it today.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: We got in a fight with Paul. Yelling at me.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow, we turn the page to the New Jersey Jets.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: So we'll be talking about them and what kind of
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: challenge they pose. Not going to be as easy a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: game as you think. I'll just tell you right now.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a little preview.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: You like saying that when he's cupcakes.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: But you know what the score prediction is going to be, right?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: 31 to 10. We'll see. We'll see. Idiots.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: Thanks for ruining my joke.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: All right. So we'll be back tomorrow. Anything else going
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: on tomorrow we need to talk about?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: No?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Other than that?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: Standard.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: We'll have our first practice participation report. Mike Vrabel. We'll
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: talk to the media. So it's a big Wednesday here
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: at Gillette. We'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.
• 1:55:15
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• 1:55:16
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• 1:55:19
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• 1:55:23
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• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot.