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Sharri | 16 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: In breaking news, Australian troops may join an international force
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Speaker 3: to support Trump's Gaza peace plan.
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Speaker 2: I have details of this story. In a moment.
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Speaker 3: The Nationals urge disaffected liberals to defect and join their ranks.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan will mount his costs his case on the
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Speaker 3: program shortly, and Tony Burke questions why the Gaza and
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Speaker 3: cohort are being scrutinized but not Israelis, And.
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Speaker 4: I wonder why it is that I haven't been asked
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Speaker 4: the question about returning for any of the Israelis who
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Speaker 4: I've also provided vasis for.
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Speaker 3: Does he realize Gaza is governed by a murderous terror group?
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Speaker 3: This as he lectures a reporter for daring to ask
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Speaker 3: when Julian Siegel's anti Semitism recommendations would be implemented. All
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Speaker 3: this and more coming up, But first tonight to the
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Speaker 3: outrageous decision by the New South Wales Supreme Court today
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Speaker 3: to effectively allow aggressive pro Palestinian protesters to target people
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Speaker 3: for their religion. New South Wales Premier Chris Mins had
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Speaker 3: introduced a law some six months ago to give police
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Speaker 3: the power to move people on when they were protesting
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Speaker 3: outside any house of worship. Sensible and obvious, but the
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Speaker 3: extremist Palestine Action Group tried to overturn it, and the
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court Justice an A.
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Speaker 2: Mitchell Moore today caved.
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Speaker 3: In, ruling the law impermissibly burdens the implied constitutional freedom
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Speaker 3: of communication on government or political matters and is invalid.
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Speaker 2: What rubbish?
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Speaker 3: Wh this is the court giving in to hate. People
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Speaker 3: have a right to protest, sure, and no one is
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Speaker 3: stopping them, but it's about.
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Speaker 2: Where they protest.
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Speaker 3: And Australians also have a right to religious freedom and
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Speaker 3: to pray in safety. Now let's just repeat that point again.
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Speaker 3: People have a right to pray in peace without being
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Speaker 3: harassed and yelled at.
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Speaker 2: That's what these laws are about.
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Speaker 3: And if you're protesting near someone who's praying, it's hard
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Speaker 3: to argue it's anything other than pure racism. It's not
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Speaker 3: about Israel, it's about Jews specifically. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: this law isn't specific to Jews. It means people could
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Speaker 3: be moved on by police if they were protesting outside
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Speaker 3: a church, a mosque, a Buddhist temple or any house
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Speaker 3: of worship. The Palasine Action Group launched this appeal in
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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. Its organizer, Josh Lees, led the push
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Speaker 3: and he was celebrating his win outside court today.
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Speaker 5: So today is a win for the Palestine movement, and
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Speaker 5: not just for the Palestine movement, for everyone who you
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Speaker 5: know ever might want to protest for anything in this state,
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Speaker 5: whether that's union rights, for workers' rights, to LGBT rights,
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Speaker 5: for the environment. As we said, all of these rights,
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Speaker 5: the causes were under attack by men's laws.
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Speaker 3: This is not an individual acting in good faith. Just
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Speaker 3: forty eight hours after the October seven attacks where babies
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Speaker 3: and children were murdered, Josh Lee said that Palestinians have
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Speaker 3: the right to resist.
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Speaker 6: He has also refused to condemn hermas who.
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Speaker 7: View JIMS as a terrorist organization or a group of
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Speaker 7: freedom fighters.
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Speaker 5: You want to start with that question, but that doesn't
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Speaker 5: we can get it out of the way if you answer.
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Speaker 8: It and can start.
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Speaker 2: That's not where the conversation can start.
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Speaker 8: That's the problem.
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Speaker 9: And you know we've been obviously.
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Speaker 7: Why why don't we just answer. Let's just answer the
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Speaker 7: question and then I'll move on. That's pretty simple.
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Speaker 1: It's you.
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Speaker 7: You've got the power answer the question.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think we should start with the fact that
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Speaker 5: Israel is a terrorist state.
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Speaker 3: Actually, and he protests alongside hateful chance like this. He
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Speaker 3: also repeatedly chants slogans which effectively call for the entire
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Speaker 3: destruction of Israel.
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Speaker 10: Here's a lot of us, bug is right, a lot of.
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Speaker 1: I just that's pace, it's right, a lot of the
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Speaker 1: bit of life.
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Speaker 3: Another former member of the Palestine Action Group applauded hermas
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Speaker 3: on October ninth, twenty twenty three, and you can see
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Speaker 3: Josh Le's in the background.
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Speaker 11: So to anyone who comes out with an argument that
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Speaker 11: says her mask is a terrorist organization organization, let me
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Speaker 11: tell you they.
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Speaker 9: Can internationally recognize that we Palestinians, as her masked, haven't
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Speaker 9: right to insist ethnic cleansing.
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Speaker 3: Why should people like this be able to protest as
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Speaker 3: Jews are going into a place of worship that's not
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Speaker 3: about Israel, it's about religion. Yet this is a group
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Speaker 3: that had to win thanks to New South Wales Supreme
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Speaker 3: Court Justice Anna Mitchell More.
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Speaker 2: Today she stands condemned.
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Speaker 3: Josh Lees and much of the media have tried to
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Speaker 3: pretend that Chris Min's passed these laws because of the
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Speaker 3: caravan of exlosives.
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Speaker 5: He passed these laws exploiting and exacerbating the fear created
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Speaker 5: around the Dural caravan hoax. What we now know was
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Speaker 5: a big criminal conjob. We know that Chris Men's government
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Speaker 5: knew the reality of that criminal conjob and yet did
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Speaker 5: his best to keep the public.
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Speaker 8: And the Parliament in the dark.
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Speaker 3: But that's not why Men's passed these laws. The Premier
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Speaker 3: introduced them because Jews were being targeted in synagogues. I
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Speaker 3: broke the story on air in December last year that
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Speaker 3: police we're keeping Jews at the Great Synagogue in lockdown
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Speaker 3: because of the intimidating and aggressive conduct of protesters outside. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's go to some breaking news now, and I'm hearing
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Speaker 3: that there are pro Palestinian protests right now outside the
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Speaker 3: Great Synagogue in the city in Sydney. So pro Palestinian
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Speaker 3: protesters are currently outside the Great Synagogue.
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Speaker 2: This is an incident. Police are there.
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Speaker 3: But why do these protesters have to protest outside a
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Speaker 3: Jewish place of worship? Why are you protesting Judaism. You
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Speaker 3: might be against the war in Israel, that is not Judaism.
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Speaker 3: Premier Chris Mins made clear that this was the primary
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Speaker 3: issue when he announced these laws. It had nothing to
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Speaker 3: do with the caravan. And we've seen similar horrendous protests
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Speaker 3: outside synagogues in Melbourne and in Manchester, Jews were just
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Speaker 3: killed as they entered a synagogue. But again we have
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Speaker 3: to ask why are these pro Palestinian activists still protesting anyway,
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Speaker 3: there's a ceasefire in Gaza. It's her Muss, Her Muss
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Speaker 3: that is publicly executing Palestinians, not Israel. Yet some of
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Speaker 3: these activists apparently support her Musk. They wear clothing with
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Speaker 3: the inverted red triangle. It exposes the fraud of their
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Speaker 3: claim to support Palestinians. Now many public figures are now
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Speaker 3: saying it's time for these protests to stop.
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Speaker 10: They're not necessary. These daily and weekly protests around the
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Speaker 10: country are incubators of hate.
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Speaker 8: And what makes kuren? Are they going to protest about
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Speaker 8: the sun coming up tomorrow? I mean, they will never
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Speaker 8: be satisfied, they will never be happy.
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Speaker 1: I listened for about half an hour.
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Speaker 7: For about half an hour, speeches are no condemnation of
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Speaker 7: hamas hez Blah, the Hooties or Iran, No condemnation at all.
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Speaker 3: Now, people have a right to protest, but at what
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Speaker 3: point does it become not freedom of expression but intimidation
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Speaker 3: and harassment of a religious minority group, especially when they're
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Speaker 3: demanding the right to protest near a synagogue, a religious
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Speaker 3: place of worship. The Premier said today that while the
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court decision is disappointing, he said it doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: there's free reign outside places of worship. The Premier said,
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Speaker 3: although the Supreme Court has determined that a police power
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Speaker 3: to move on persons engaging in obstructing, harassing another conduct
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Speaker 3: as part of a public assembly outside places of worship
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Speaker 3: is invalid, the decision has no impact on the offense
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Speaker 3: introduced recently in the New South Wales government's places of
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Speaker 3: Worship laws that make it a crime to impede, harass,
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Speaker 3: intimidate or threaten a person accessing a place of worship.
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Speaker 3: So to break that down, that means that police can
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Speaker 3: still arrest and charge those protesting outside a synagogue. But
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Speaker 3: the issue is more often than not we see the
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Speaker 3: police arresting Jews, not the protesters. They claim it's in
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Speaker 3: the interest of public safety, and that's what happened on
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Speaker 3: the night the Great Synagogue was placed into lockdown. One
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Speaker 3: Jew was given a move on order and another was
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Speaker 3: issued with a fine.
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Speaker 2: Deeply disappointing.
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Speaker 3: But if the police do uphold the law and arrest
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Speaker 3: those harassing or intimidating a person accessing synagogues, then this
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Speaker 3: law will end up being worse for the protesters after
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Speaker 3: today's judgment, because rather than just being moved on, police
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Speaker 3: are left with arresting and charging for the criminal offense.
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Speaker 3: And let's hope that police actually do make those arrests.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that with Ray Hadley a bit later,
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Speaker 3: but let's bring in now National Senator Matt Canavan and
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Speaker 3: former Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop. And there's been
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Speaker 3: a major exclusive in the Nightly this evening breaking news
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Speaker 3: with reports of the ADF is engaged in discussions with
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Speaker 3: the US military to provide personnel as part of the
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Speaker 3: stabilization force in Gaza. Now today we haven't heard anything
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Speaker 3: on this from the government, but Australia's Chief of Joint Operations,
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Speaker 3: Vice Admiral Justin Jones has confirmed to Andrew Green in
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Speaker 3: the Nightly that contingency planning is underway in case the
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Speaker 3: policy changes. All right, let's get the thoughts from our
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Speaker 3: panel on this. Browin, do you think Australia should be
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Speaker 3: part of any peacekeeping force in Gaza.
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Speaker 12: No, I don't. We've seen the Prime Minister and Foreign
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Speaker 12: Minister try and take credit for the actions of President
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Speaker 12: Trump with regard to the return of the hostages. That
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Speaker 12: we've seen an arrogance in both of them, and this
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Speaker 12: seems to me to be an extension of it. Look,
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Speaker 12: we'll go along and do it too. They weren't invited
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Speaker 12: to the leader to the meeting of leaders in Egypt,
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Speaker 12: and simply because we are not a part in that
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Speaker 12: part of the world, and I think it should be
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Speaker 12: the people who were at that meeting, who have had
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Speaker 12: a long involvement with that part of the world, that
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Speaker 12: do that peacekeeping work.
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Speaker 3: Matt Albanezi has openly supported being part of a peacekeeping
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Speaker 3: mission in Ukraine. Now we haven't heard anything about this
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Speaker 3: from the government. This has emerged through the Defense for US.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about this?
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Speaker 13: Look, I don't fully not as firm as Bombman has
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Speaker 13: just indicated. I do agree with Bromwin though, that the
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Speaker 13: principle contributors to any peacekeeping mission should be the countries
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Speaker 13: in the region.
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Speaker 8: It's their area. They should do the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 13: Look, if there is a particular and specific request from
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Speaker 13: the United States for olhelp and assistance. I'm sure we'd
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Speaker 13: consider that. We've done so in Iraq, of course, in Afghanistan,
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Speaker 13: in many other theaters around the world, so I'm sure
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Speaker 13: we'd be happy to contribute, but I don't think it would
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Speaker 13: be the principal part of that mission would come from Australia.
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Speaker 13: I also agree with Brobin that it's been pretty shameless
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Speaker 13: to see the Prime Minister of Foreign Minster try and
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Speaker 13: take some credit for this amazing result of the presidents.
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Speaker 13: I mean, the boss of FIFA Soccer was there in
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Speaker 13: Egypt and not anyone from the Australian government, So I
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Speaker 13: think that shows where we rank in terms of generating
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Speaker 13: this result.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, the fact that the president hasn't met Albanezi yet,
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Speaker 3: and I mean it's coming up to a year since
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Speaker 3: he won the US election, so that's pretty telling in itself.
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Speaker 3: Although of course that meeting's expected to happen early next
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Speaker 3: week unless it's counseled.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you never know.
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Speaker 3: Now, Matt, I'm really keen to speak to you about
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Speaker 3: this one now. National's leader David little Proud is to
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Speaker 3: be backing you in Matt because he's told Sarah Iisen
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Speaker 3: in The Australian Tonight that he'd welcome any Liberals who
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Speaker 3: choose to defect to the National Party.
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Speaker 2: Now, Matt, this is all your fault, this story.
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Speaker 3: You got the conversation going because it's been reported.
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Speaker 2: Wait till I finish it.
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Speaker 8: I'm blamed for lots.
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Speaker 3: Of It's been reported that you said that if seven
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Speaker 3: Liberals defect to the Nationals Party then the Nationals would
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Speaker 3: have the balance of power.
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Speaker 2: In the partnership.
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Speaker 3: So have you been speaking to liberals about defecting? Is
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Speaker 3: this where this has come from?
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Speaker 13: Well, as I've said today, Sharia, there's no active conversations
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Speaker 13: going on. But am I get blamed for lots of
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Speaker 13: things and now I'm getting blamed for being able to
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Speaker 13: do matts.
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Speaker 8: It's simple mathematics. It's that close.
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Speaker 13: But it does show how significant a portion of the
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Speaker 13: joint party in the Nationals Party is now. And my
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Speaker 13: number one focus is making sure that we fight behind
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Speaker 13: a banner that says Australia First. I'd love to do
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Speaker 13: that in coalition with the Liberal Party. That partnership has
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Speaker 13: worked generally worked for the last seventy eighty years, but
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Speaker 13: if we can't make that work, what's more important is
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Speaker 13: that we fight for the policies that are going to
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Speaker 13: bring our country back from the brink. And so if
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Speaker 13: that takes the National's Party taking a greater role, I'm
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Speaker 13: all for it. And of course, if there are Liberal
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Speaker 13: members that want to join us, I'm not going to
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Speaker 13: say no to that.
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Speaker 8: I'd love to see our party room get just.
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Speaker 13: Like the Liberal Party did when they took our senators
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Speaker 13: after the election.
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Speaker 8: So that's a matter for those liberal members though.
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Speaker 3: But are you speaking to some liberal members about have
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Speaker 3: you said to some liberal No?
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Speaker 13: No, not an ongoing basis, Not an ongoing basis.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that information.
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Speaker 13: I don't think it's just I don't think it's going
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Speaker 13: to happen anytime soon. But hey, look, I'm not You
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Speaker 13: can't shoot me for wanting.
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Speaker 8: To grow our party.
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Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm not.
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Speaker 8: Any politician worth their salt would want.
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Speaker 13: Their room, their party room to get bigger and have
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Speaker 13: more influence.
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Speaker 8: So I'd love to see it.
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Speaker 13: But I'm just also pouring some cold water on the
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Speaker 13: other I'm not trying to create false hope for our
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Speaker 13: members out there.
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Speaker 12: That's a good idea because we've been this route before.
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Speaker 12: Nineteen eighty one in New South Wales, the leader of
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Speaker 12: the opposition lost his seat and the result was sixty
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Speaker 12: nine seats to Labor, fourteen Liberal and fourteen National. There
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Speaker 12: was a lot of discussion about the Nationals taking the
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Speaker 12: leadership since prevailed because it was known, of course that
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Speaker 12: the Liberal Party will always be the dominant coalition partner,
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Speaker 12: and so they proceeded on that basis, came sensibly together,
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Speaker 12: got a seven percent swing in eighty four and then
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Speaker 12: of course one resoundingly with Nick Giner nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 12: when I'm pleased to say I was the state president.
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Speaker 12: So it was a question of saying, all right, we
17:06
Speaker 12: have been smashed. It's called the Ran slide. We have
17:10
Speaker 12: been slashed, smashed, but now we have to formulate policies
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Speaker 12: that we can build on to win back government. Now
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Speaker 12: it's all the things repeating itself, with all the discussion
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Speaker 12: that people have been having and making profound announcements. The
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Speaker 12: bottom line is that the two issues that dominate this
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Speaker 12: country are the question of the price of electricity and
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Speaker 12: the size of our immigration, and those two cannot be avoided.
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Speaker 12: They must be addressed, and the Liberal Party has to
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Speaker 12: come out with a party with a policy with which
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Speaker 12: the NATS can concur So you've got a strong coalition
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Speaker 12: that we can can go to the next polls and
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Speaker 12: get a swing back to the coalition.
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Speaker 13: What if the Liberal Party doesn't do that, Bromin, What
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Speaker 13: if they don't do that, you should come join the Nats,
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Speaker 13: Come and join a party.
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Speaker 1: I don't think.
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Speaker 2: I don't think.
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Speaker 13: I'm pretty proper. We are going to fight for that
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Speaker 13: one way, come hell of hoigh Water. We're going to fight.
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Speaker 8: You're going to fight for that Liberal Party joint.
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Speaker 12: There are liberals, There are liberals in the party who
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Speaker 12: know the sense, who know the direction it's got to go, and.
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Speaker 2: Sense will prevail. Well, obviously you've got you've.
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Speaker 12: Got the center, You've got Hasty, You've got a lot
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Speaker 12: of people in the background who are there who are
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Speaker 12: good solid thinkers.
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Speaker 6: Your center and Andrew Hasty are doing the right thing.
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Speaker 12: Because we've seen, of course I do, and I've said
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Speaker 12: so before.
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Speaker 3: James Patterson come out this week and and basically say
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Speaker 3: that that's not the direction.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 12: I saw James Patterson come out and say don't become
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Speaker 12: populist like Nigel Farage. Well, I think it was important
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Speaker 12: to know that in this country Nigel Farage as a
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Speaker 12: phenomenon as a third party is not possible because of
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Speaker 12: our system of voting, with compulsory preferential voting. At the
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Speaker 12: end of the day, you have to vote Labor or
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Speaker 12: Liberal and that's what allows Albanezi to be elected with
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Speaker 12: a third of the vote. So the thing that has
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Speaker 12: to be realized here is it was like the same
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Speaker 12: fight we had when Tony Abbott finally took the leadership
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Speaker 12: in two thousand and nine by one vote, but he galvanized.
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Speaker 12: He galvanized the direction we had to go to.
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Speaker 2: Me's the p opposition.
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Speaker 12: Later we've absolutely and the reason was we.
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Speaker 6: As in Australia, brought the parify.
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Speaker 12: Yes, who brought the party back to round a point
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Speaker 12: where they could in fact unite because there was a
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Speaker 12: leader who galvanized the thinking and had a policy and
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Speaker 12: a way forward to achieve government, which he almost did
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Speaker 12: in twenty ten and did so resounding in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: All right, I just quickly want to get to this
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Speaker 3: story before we have to go, because it's so fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Australia's fertility has hit a low of one.
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Speaker 2: Point four eight percent.
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Speaker 3: Now, Matt, this is being claimed on housing, stress dating apps,
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Speaker 3: cost of living pessimism under of the young generation. But
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Speaker 3: how worrying is this declining birth rate to you?
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Speaker 13: Well, it's a huge concern for me and it should
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Speaker 13: be I think for all Austrains principally because once again,
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Speaker 13: the math, the math behind this is extremely scary. If
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Speaker 13: you've got a birth rate of one point five roughly,
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Speaker 13: that's what this is. It's very simple, very simple math.
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Speaker 13: Your next generation will be about half that birth rate
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Speaker 13: in size. And you have the number because I think
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Speaker 13: it's still a case that only women can have babies.
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Speaker 13: I know the science is evolving very fast, but because
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Speaker 13: women can't have babies, you divide the one point five
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Speaker 13: by two, you get seven point seventy five. So your
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Speaker 13: next generation, our next generation will be seventy five percent
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Speaker 13: the size of the current generation. We've got twenty seven
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Speaker 13: million people. That means that people descended from that will
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Speaker 13: go down to twenty one. Next generation of that will
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Speaker 13: be fifteen Just in three generations, will have just eleven
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Speaker 13: million Australians descended from those that are Australians today. In
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Speaker 13: three generations, that's less than a century. That's how scary
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Speaker 13: this is. If this birth rate stays where it.
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Speaker 8: Is, we then, of course, how do we still maintain
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Speaker 8: our population. Well, again, do the math.
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Speaker 13: You'd have to bring in people from other countries to
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Speaker 13: maintain a similar or.
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Speaker 8: Even larger population as projected. So I don't want to
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Speaker 8: see that happen.
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Speaker 13: I want to see us as Australians continue to grow
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Speaker 13: and develop, and that means we've got to have babies
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Speaker 13: to do that. I've done my job. We've got five.
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Speaker 13: My wife and I were very lucky we got five.
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Speaker 13: So and it's great. It's great, it's so special. I've
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Speaker 13: had such a busy afternoon between soccer and basketball and
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Speaker 13: rowing as well.
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Speaker 8: It makes your life so full. So go and have babies.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a bit of tennis lessons this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: I was writing my script for tonight. On the side
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Speaker 3: of it, Brown, is the issue here an economic one primarily,
22:00
Speaker 3: you know. Do you think if that is the case,
22:02
Speaker 3: we need to bring back the baby bonus.
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Speaker 12: Yes, it is the economic but I think we've got
22:07
Speaker 12: to think more broadly now. I did have the opportunity
22:09
Speaker 12: to meet the President of Hungary when she was out here.
22:13
Speaker 12: She had been. She had been excuse me, had been
22:17
Speaker 12: a minister and now as president. She's a mother of
22:21
Speaker 12: four and she said in Hungary the birthrate was through
22:25
Speaker 12: the floor. And what they did is they started looking
22:28
Speaker 12: at things that really mattered. For instance, if our memory
22:31
Speaker 12: serves me, and you might remember also that if you
22:36
Speaker 12: had four children and you were working, you've got a
22:39
Speaker 12: house there were.
22:43
Speaker 13: You've got free tax no taxes if your kids, no
22:46
Speaker 13: taxes in Hungary just for the month.
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Speaker 12: Yes, and it's working. It's working because these are incentives
22:54
Speaker 12: for the mother. And rather than saying here's five thousand
22:59
Speaker 12: dollars costello, baby burness was. I think that what has
23:04
Speaker 12: gone on in Hunger is definitely worth a good look,
23:07
Speaker 12: because I do think we need incentives. There are also
23:10
Speaker 12: something else I discovered in a committee work that I did.
23:13
Speaker 12: At one stage there was a cohort of men in
23:16
Speaker 12: a lower socio socioeconomic group who will not partner and
23:23
Speaker 12: not commit to a relationship into which to bring up
23:27
Speaker 12: a child. Now I think that needs to be looked
23:30
Speaker 12: at too.
23:31
Speaker 3: I think there probably needs to be a federal government
23:33
Speaker 3: working group on how to increase the fertility rate instead
23:35
Speaker 3: of just focusing on free childcap.
23:38
Speaker 2: We've got to go though.
23:39
Speaker 6: Matt Canavan, Roman Bishop, great to see you as always.
23:43
Speaker 3: Now. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke today lashed out at
23:47
Speaker 3: journalists from The Australian Noah Yim when he dared to
23:51
Speaker 3: ask him about the government's delayed response to Jillian Siegel's
23:54
Speaker 3: anti Semitism rapport.
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Speaker 14: What recommendations are you going to go ahead with? What's
24:00
Speaker 14: the delay in the response?
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Speaker 4: Thanks Noah. First of all, let me well, first of all,
24:07
Speaker 4: we gave a response on the day it was released.
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Speaker 10: Let me say this.
24:12
Speaker 4: I think the world of Gillian Siegel and I support
24:14
Speaker 4: the work that she's doing.
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Speaker 14: There were specific recommendations that she put.
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Speaker 8: For I'd replay no, no, no.
24:22
Speaker 4: I'll be interrupted on many things, but I would not
24:24
Speaker 4: be interrupted where I'm talking about someone who has put
24:27
Speaker 4: herself out there publicly, and I'm getting the first chance
24:32
Speaker 4: I've had in a while to be able to say
24:34
Speaker 4: how much I support her work.
24:35
Speaker 8: I didn't mean to interrupt you before, but if I could.
24:38
Speaker 14: There were specific proposals in There were specific proposals that
24:42
Speaker 14: do require federal leadership. I'm wondering if there had any
24:45
Speaker 14: movement on that.
24:47
Speaker 4: It's your third go of one, Gol, I've given you
24:50
Speaker 4: the response I wanted to give.
24:52
Speaker 3: I mean, Tony Burke was trying there to pretend there
24:55
Speaker 3: were no recommendations and just praising Gillian Siegel, when.
24:59
Speaker 2: In fact her had many. And she's been urging.
25:02
Speaker 3: The government to act on her report in recent weeks
25:05
Speaker 3: on the front page of The Australian, which I think
25:08
Speaker 3: we have and she sent the same message on this
25:12
Speaker 3: program two weeks ago.
25:15
Speaker 15: Now we need momentum. We cannot take it slowly and
25:18
Speaker 15: surely we need momentum and the government needs to come
25:21
Speaker 15: out and confirm the IRA definition, which is the basis
25:26
Speaker 15: of my report.
25:29
Speaker 6: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma joins me.
25:31
Speaker 3: Now, Dave, Tony Burke lectures a journalist instead of admitting
25:36
Speaker 3: he hasn't implemented the recommendations three months on.
25:43
Speaker 6: Have we got data?
25:45
Speaker 2: Yep, we do.
25:46
Speaker 6: Indeed, sorry, we didn't have eyes on you, Dave.
25:49
Speaker 16: Sorry, Yeah, I was just going to say, having watched
25:51
Speaker 16: the exchange, it looked to me like Tony Burke was
25:54
Speaker 16: gaslighting Gillian Steegual. I mean, he was seemed to pretend
25:56
Speaker 16: that her report offered no recommendations to the government, that
26:01
Speaker 16: there was no onners on the government to act, and
26:03
Speaker 16: he seemed to just want to fill the airtime with
26:05
Speaker 16: saying what a great job she's doing. Well, that's nice
26:08
Speaker 16: to hear. But her report contained recommendations for the government
26:11
Speaker 16: to act. One simple one, I mean, was to strengthen
26:14
Speaker 16: the provisions in the Migration Act to ensure visa cancelations
26:18
Speaker 16: for people who express anti submitting fusion. Now, Jillian Seagull
26:21
Speaker 16: can't do that alone. That's a decision for government. Adopting
26:25
Speaker 16: the ARA definition, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition. Again,
26:30
Speaker 16: Gillian Seagull can urge that be done, but it's the
26:32
Speaker 16: government who has to formally adopt it. There is a
26:34
Speaker 16: lot of business from that report in Tony Burke's in
26:38
Speaker 16: tray that he is refusing to deal with.
26:41
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's no question about it, and I think your
26:44
Speaker 3: word disingenuous is spot on.
26:46
Speaker 10: Look.
26:46
Speaker 3: Tony Burke was also asked about the number of Gazans
26:50
Speaker 3: still to arrive in Australia. He admitted that there's between
26:54
Speaker 3: six hundred and seven hundred, but then he said this,
26:59
Speaker 3: and I.
26:59
Speaker 4: Won why it is that I haven't been asked the
27:03
Speaker 4: question about returning for any of the Israelis who I've
27:08
Speaker 4: also provided versus for. Whenever we have taken people on
27:12
Speaker 4: a humanitarian basis and the humanitarian need has gone away,
27:17
Speaker 4: some people have completely found a home in Australia. They
27:21
Speaker 4: are valued members of our community and they decide to stay.
27:25
Speaker 3: I mean, Dave, does he not realize that there's a
27:28
Speaker 3: murderous terror group governing Gaza right now?
27:31
Speaker 2: That's why there's concern.
27:34
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't understand how Tony Burke can make an
27:36
Speaker 16: equivalence between people arriving in Australia from Israel and people
27:41
Speaker 16: from Gaza. In Israel, we have an embassy, there is
27:44
Speaker 16: a police force. We can do criminal checks, background checks,
27:48
Speaker 16: intelligence liaison checks, and people in Israel visiting Australia are
27:52
Speaker 16: not coming to seek asylum here or seek refuge. They're
27:55
Speaker 16: coming to visit family and friends in holiday. People from
27:58
Speaker 16: Gaza we do not have any of those sorts of
28:00
Speaker 16: checks in place because there is no functioning government that
28:03
Speaker 16: we can deal with in Gaza. So the idea that
28:06
Speaker 16: the caseloads are in any way analogous or similar is
28:10
Speaker 16: completely preposterous.
28:12
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, in the past couple of days has said
28:15
Speaker 3: that the Palestinian to a here on tourist visas should
28:20
Speaker 3: be returning to Gaza now that there's a ceasefire. But
28:23
Speaker 3: you've got Tony Burke talking about bringing in up to
28:26
Speaker 3: seven hundred more people.
28:28
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this?
28:31
Speaker 16: Well, look, I'd firstly make the point that people were
28:34
Speaker 16: outraged when Donald Trump suggested that the people from Gaza
28:37
Speaker 16: should be moved elsewhere, and I can understand that no
28:40
Speaker 16: one should be forcibly displaced from their home. But now
28:43
Speaker 16: it seems Tony Burke seems to be making the case
28:45
Speaker 16: that well Australia would help with that process. My view is,
28:49
Speaker 16: I mean, if they have legitimate claims for refugee status,
28:53
Speaker 16: we should assess those in accordance with our international obligations.
28:56
Speaker 16: But I would expect that a large number of those
29:00
Speaker 16: claims have evaporated or substantially weakened. Because there is a
29:04
Speaker 16: cease fire in place, people can return home, and unless
29:07
Speaker 16: they have a particular well founded fear of persecution, in
29:11
Speaker 16: accordance with the Refugees Convention, there is no reason why
29:14
Speaker 16: they should be staying longer than the Tirostpezer permits them to.
29:18
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you very quickly.
29:20
Speaker 3: And this has been played already on Sky this evening,
29:22
Speaker 3: so I won't replay it. But departmental bureaucrats have been
29:26
Speaker 3: unable to answer questions put by a Liberal senator, Clay Chandler,
29:31
Speaker 3: about whether there are borders in Gaza, whether there is
29:36
Speaker 3: a capital city of Palestine. I mean, are these bureaucrats stupid?
29:42
Speaker 2: Are they ignorant?
29:43
Speaker 6: What is the story here?
29:46
Speaker 16: Well, I think sadly these bureaucrats have been put in
29:49
Speaker 16: an untenable position by the Albanezer government because the Albanezer
29:53
Speaker 16: government has recognized a state of Palestine which has none
29:56
Speaker 16: of the attributions of statehook it doesn't have defined borders,
29:59
Speaker 16: it doesn't have capital, it doesn't have a single political
30:03
Speaker 16: entity that exercises governance over the territory. These are the
30:06
Speaker 16: questions that Claire Chandler asks, and of course the officers
30:10
Speaker 16: from the Attorney General's Department, if they were honest, they
30:13
Speaker 16: would have said, well, no, none of those things are true.
30:15
Speaker 16: But then they would have completely undermined Penny Wong and
30:19
Speaker 16: Anthony Albanese has claim that there is some sort of
30:21
Speaker 16: state to recognize. So I think the blame for this,
30:25
Speaker 16: I mean, I feel for those bureaucrats because they've been
30:26
Speaker 16: put in a completely untenable position by the illogicality the
30:33
Speaker 16: stupidity of the labor government policy.
30:36
Speaker 3: And Claire did an excellent job questioning them. Dave Shalma,
30:39
Speaker 3: you're always so sensible. Thank you very much for your time.
30:43
Speaker 3: Now still to come, hostages reveal how they were handcuffed,
30:47
Speaker 3: chained and thrown in a pit, and Donald Trump says.
30:51
Speaker 2: He doesn't like all the world lead.
30:53
Speaker 3: It's a message that will probably have Albinezi shaking in
30:57
Speaker 3: his brutes.
30:57
Speaker 2: Ray Hadley will be here next.
31:04
Speaker 3: Welcome back, and I'm joined now by former possibly future
31:07
Speaker 3: to JIB host Ray Hadley.
31:09
Speaker 1: Right, you're a naughty girl.
31:11
Speaker 3: Were your comments last week about being opened to going
31:14
Speaker 3: back if singer got the stage? Well, yes, got picked
31:16
Speaker 3: up everywhere.
31:17
Speaker 11: Well they did get picked up everywhere. Singer and I
31:20
Speaker 11: had a little talk about it and about it.
31:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's up in the air. Look, they might
31:25
Speaker 1: sell it channel on here now we'll see.
31:27
Speaker 6: All right.
31:28
Speaker 3: So everyone's been speaking speaking about President Trump's speech in
31:31
Speaker 3: Israel this.
31:32
Speaker 2: Week because it was an absolute classic.
31:35
Speaker 3: But because of the time difference, we missed his speech
31:39
Speaker 3: in Egypt and have a look at what he said.
31:42
Speaker 11: Okay, I've known so many of you for so long,
31:44
Speaker 11: your friends of mine.
31:45
Speaker 1: You're great people.
31:47
Speaker 11: I have a couple I don't like in particular, but
31:49
Speaker 11: I won't tell you who I have.
31:50
Speaker 1: Actually a few of them.
31:51
Speaker 17: I don't like it at all.
31:53
Speaker 11: But you'll never find out who they are, and maybe
31:57
Speaker 11: you will come to thin of it.
32:00
Speaker 2: You'll never find out, or maybe you will.
32:02
Speaker 3: Class think trumpy, but you think Alberanezy would be worried
32:04
Speaker 3: about this because it's just a few days before they're
32:07
Speaker 3: for the first time.
32:08
Speaker 11: I think Matt Kenevan made the best point that the
32:11
Speaker 11: fief of President was by his side and there wasn't
32:14
Speaker 11: an Australian anywhere within Kuwi the American president, So yeah,
32:18
Speaker 11: I think. And the other part where he turned around
32:21
Speaker 11: and kiss Darma so keis Damo was behind him and
32:24
Speaker 11: he said in great Britain, here he came forward like
32:28
Speaker 11: a David James store dummy and went elm here.
32:31
Speaker 1: Very funny.
32:32
Speaker 6: And that speech in Israel was an absolute classic.
32:36
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, talking about Ivanka and Jared's marriage,
32:41
Speaker 3: talking about Miriam Addelson's wealth and private conversations.
32:46
Speaker 11: Well, he just loves being on the world stage, and
32:49
Speaker 11: everyone was watching it, and everyone was waiting for all
32:52
Speaker 11: this stuff, and he did what Donald Trump normally does,
32:55
Speaker 11: and he spoke about things that are unrelated to what
32:58
Speaker 11: he was there for.
33:00
Speaker 6: It's hilarious.
33:01
Speaker 2: I was laughing the whole time.
33:03
Speaker 3: Now, you broke the story on this show Ray about
33:07
Speaker 3: the fact that Chris Mins's protest laws outside houses of.
33:11
Speaker 2: Worship could be overturned. Yep, you broke that story in
33:14
Speaker 2: the show.
33:15
Speaker 6: And now they were overturned today by Supreme Court.
33:18
Speaker 11: Well, it's a bit like the decision about the Harbor
33:21
Speaker 11: Bridge overturned by the full Bench on appeal by one
33:25
Speaker 11: Supreme Court justice, and she's a very distinguished justice the
33:28
Speaker 11: one that made the decision today, Mitchell Moore and the
33:30
Speaker 11: Mitchell More.
33:31
Speaker 1: However, I got another exclusive for you.
33:34
Speaker 10: I think looking for it.
33:35
Speaker 11: I don't think there'll be an appeal to the full Bench.
33:39
Speaker 11: I think what the Premier will do, he'll go to
33:42
Speaker 11: his Attorney General and gay to the Solicitor General and say, right,
33:46
Speaker 11: she says it's unconstitutional, give me some legislation here that
33:50
Speaker 11: will allay her concerns. And I think you'll find they'll
33:54
Speaker 11: be another another decision by the Parliament that will use
33:59
Speaker 11: surp the decision by her honor. In other words, I've
34:02
Speaker 11: come up with a solution to her concerns about it
34:05
Speaker 11: being unconstitutional. But as you've said many times, it's not
34:07
Speaker 11: just about synagogues. I mean every place of Workshire should
34:12
Speaker 11: be protected, whether it's Hillsong in the northwestern part of Sydney,
34:15
Speaker 11: or the Catholic people wanting to all mosques or whatever.
34:19
Speaker 11: If people wish to go to their religion of choice,
34:22
Speaker 11: they shouldn't put up with being cout out and yelled
34:25
Speaker 11: at and screened that by people outside. And I mean,
34:28
Speaker 11: I think it's incongruous the decision. But she made the decision.
34:31
Speaker 11: But I don't think he'll go to the Court of Appeal.
34:33
Speaker 11: I don't think when you'll look at it. I think
34:35
Speaker 11: he'll come in the coming weeks with legislation that he'll
34:38
Speaker 11: carry to Parliament and say, right, she said it's unconstitutional,
34:41
Speaker 11: we'll come up with the law that makes it constitutional
34:44
Speaker 11: to do what we wish to do.
34:45
Speaker 3: It begs the question who's actually running the country and
34:50
Speaker 3: the state here is it?
34:51
Speaker 6: You know, judges, we don't elect or politicians with.
34:56
Speaker 1: The government sets the law.
34:57
Speaker 11: Judges interpret the law and as we see judges human beings,
35:01
Speaker 11: they're open too mistakes and making mistakes. And that's why
35:04
Speaker 11: the appeal court's there, or that's why the legislators can
35:08
Speaker 11: go back to the drawing board and come up with
35:10
Speaker 11: legislation that won't be defeated in the court by the
35:13
Speaker 11: pag or anyone else.
35:14
Speaker 8: Yeah.
35:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's turn to the bail debate, because we've seen
35:18
Speaker 3: in Victoria that there is a massive crime wave and
35:24
Speaker 3: some of the crimes are being committed by people who
35:26
Speaker 3: were out on bail.
35:28
Speaker 1: I'll give you a point.
35:29
Speaker 11: Okay, We've got two boys murdered allegedly, eight have been
35:33
Speaker 11: arrested in the last forty eight hours. Two were supposed
35:37
Speaker 11: to appear in court, sixteen to fifteen year old. They
35:39
Speaker 11: were the murder of these two young fellows. One of
35:41
Speaker 11: them went to court for a DNA test, the other didn't.
35:43
Speaker 11: Now this is Victoria. The operations manager of the Youth
35:47
Speaker 11: Justice said. I said it's policy did not allow staff
35:49
Speaker 11: the Youth Forced to make a young person come to
35:51
Speaker 11: court despite being charged with murder. We encourage, we try
35:55
Speaker 11: to understand their concerns and speak about what could be
35:57
Speaker 11: a potential outcome.
35:58
Speaker 1: Of not attending.
35:59
Speaker 11: The Magnustrate said whether the policy not to use force
36:02
Speaker 11: was actually based on the legislation. Was that usurping legislation?
36:06
Speaker 11: So what the magistrate did with prosecution asking, they had
36:09
Speaker 11: him rearrested and the police brought him to court where
36:12
Speaker 11: he did undergo a DNA test. Now, if we have
36:15
Speaker 11: a system of justice in the children's court or anywhere
36:17
Speaker 11: else where, someone who's charged with the most serious and
36:20
Speaker 11: heenous crime simply says I don't want to go and
36:24
Speaker 11: the left wing do good is at the place he's
36:27
Speaker 11: being housed say oh, well, we can't make him go
36:29
Speaker 11: to court because he doesn't wish to go to court.
36:31
Speaker 1: We just explained to you with the ramification.
36:33
Speaker 11: I mean, what sort of ridiculous state are they running
36:36
Speaker 11: in Victoria? It beggars belief and then bail laws the
36:40
Speaker 11: Act police in the last twenty four hours have it's
36:43
Speaker 11: out of control. People kept getting bail in the Act.
36:47
Speaker 11: New South Wales Southwest Rocks on the mid north coast
36:50
Speaker 11: of New South Wales have had people up there eight
36:53
Speaker 11: times bailed and as soon as they get out they
36:56
Speaker 11: go and do exactly what they allegedly did prior to
36:59
Speaker 11: going before a I mean, and Chris Mens has tried
37:02
Speaker 11: to fix it, and Victoria hasn't fixed it, despite the
37:05
Speaker 11: fact that they say, oh, yes, it's all right, it's
37:07
Speaker 11: all fine now. But whether it's adults or children, and
37:11
Speaker 11: in this case it's mainly children, the bail laws are totally,
37:14
Speaker 11: utally inadequate, totally and utterly inadequate.
37:17
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that makes people angrier that than when
37:20
Speaker 3: someone is found to be guilty or charged with a
37:24
Speaker 3: serious offense and they're out on bail after a dozen
37:28
Speaker 3: arrests or something.
37:29
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you against cranky is the victims and
37:31
Speaker 1: the coppers.
37:33
Speaker 11: They round them up, put them in the court, round
37:35
Speaker 11: them up the next night, and the next night and
37:36
Speaker 11: the next night.
37:37
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now your blood pressure is also going up
37:40
Speaker 3: because of this domestic violence. Now, the new southos government
37:46
Speaker 3: has announced tougher laws, but there's no minimum sentence.
37:51
Speaker 11: There is not a politician in Australia, Liberal Labor or
37:56
Speaker 11: Calithumpian prepared to say we're going to have mandatory minimum.
37:59
Speaker 1: They're absolutely terrified of it.
38:00
Speaker 11: They've been terrified of it for the last forty years
38:03
Speaker 11: or thirty five years.
38:04
Speaker 1: I've been on air and they're still terrified of it.
38:06
Speaker 11: So the headline today in the Telegraph, and God bless
38:08
Speaker 11: the Telegraph for getting behind the campaign to offer support
38:12
Speaker 11: to victims and the people who've been murdered, the young
38:15
Speaker 11: women who've been murdered, and there's one particularly young woman
38:17
Speaker 11: who's mum chased after this. So the headline says twenty
38:21
Speaker 11: five years. You kill a woman in a domestic violence situation,
38:25
Speaker 11: you're facing twenty five years. However, under the changes, judges
38:28
Speaker 11: who down hand down non parole periods shorter than twenty
38:31
Speaker 11: five years standard.
38:32
Speaker 1: What havel to explained why they're deviated from the benchmark.
38:36
Speaker 6: That's it?
38:36
Speaker 2: Just a next on.
38:37
Speaker 11: I mean, so they give up like sixteen years, not
38:38
Speaker 11: twenty five and I guess the DPP said and on
38:42
Speaker 11: a sec the benchmark said by the Attorney General in
38:44
Speaker 11: the Men's government.
38:45
Speaker 1: Is twenty five years.
38:46
Speaker 11: Explain why you've only given this person sixteen years because
38:49
Speaker 11: that's my decision.
38:50
Speaker 1: Appeal it if you wish.
38:53
Speaker 11: So the headline says twenty five years for killing a
38:56
Speaker 11: young woman or any woman in a domestic violence situation.
38:59
Speaker 1: It's balled.
39:00
Speaker 11: It's rubbish because it's not a managery minimum It's just
39:05
Speaker 11: a benchmark which can be deviated by any of the
39:08
Speaker 11: Supreme Court justices at their will.
39:10
Speaker 3: Think you need to be running the justice system and
39:13
Speaker 3: fix it up. Ray, and please you went to your
39:14
Speaker 3: doctor today and not tomorrow, because your bloo pressure will
39:17
Speaker 3: definitely be higher.
39:18
Speaker 11: Well, the good news is the blood pressure is coming
39:21
Speaker 11: down about ten months of retirement's done that. But unfortunately
39:25
Speaker 11: it spikes on either a Monday or a Thursday night.
39:27
Speaker 1: In your company.
39:28
Speaker 6: Later, right, Gray, Great to see you, shoe you later.
39:31
Speaker 3: All this still to come. The IBA is under pressure
39:35
Speaker 3: to cut rates. But will they and hostages reveal how
39:38
Speaker 3: they were chained, handcuffed and thrown in a pit.
39:42
Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back.
39:47
Speaker 3: The Times of Israel is tonight reporting on the conditions.
39:51
Speaker 6: That the hostages faced in Gaza.
39:54
Speaker 3: One was whipped, another was put in a cage, still
39:57
Speaker 3: another was thrown into a pit, and one was handcuffed.
40:01
Speaker 3: The account painted picture of starvation, suffering, and physical and
40:06
Speaker 3: psychological abuse. Well to discuss Israeli news, Aanka Letao Schamesh
40:11
Speaker 3: joins us live from Tel Aviv.
40:13
Speaker 2: That's all great to see you again.
40:15
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about what we're hearing about the
40:18
Speaker 3: conditions that these hostages who were freed this week have
40:22
Speaker 3: faced over the past two years.
40:25
Speaker 17: Yes, Shari, thank you for having me so.
40:27
Speaker 9: As you've said, more and more evidence coming out of
40:31
Speaker 9: their horrible time in captivity. Avinatanol, the guy who we
40:37
Speaker 9: all remember the partner of Noah Agamanei from the famous
40:41
Speaker 9: video of her being taken into Gaza on a motor cycle,
40:45
Speaker 9: is talking about being all by himself throughout these entire
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Speaker 9: two years in Hamas tunnels. One year out of the
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Speaker 9: two years he was handcuffed put inside age. Horrible stories
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Speaker 9: of course, of starvation, deep starvation throughout those entire two years.
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Speaker 9: But I can tell you we are everyone in Israel
41:09
Speaker 9: are so relieved. We're back into breathing again seeing those
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Speaker 9: live shastages back home.
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Speaker 3: And the reunions have been so beautiful. One of the
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Speaker 3: stories that really touched me is Omri Miran, how when
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Speaker 3: his wife met him, she showed him a video compilation
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Speaker 3: of their two little girls, I mean, just toddlers over
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Speaker 3: the past two years, how they'd grown. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: just think how much he missed out on.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just incredible seeing him meeting his new girls,
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Speaker 9: missing two years, seeing a completely, completely, completely two girls,
41:50
Speaker 9: but seeing them getting back into their normal lives. Obviously
41:55
Speaker 9: they'll need to go through a very long rehabilitation process,
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Speaker 9: but we're so glad that they're home and now just
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Speaker 9: looking forward for Ramas to release the nineteen left bodies of.
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Speaker 17: The hostages who are still being held by them.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that now, because this is the
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Speaker 3: big issue this week.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: How many bodies have come home, so how many of
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Speaker 3: the twenty eight families are still waiting.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so we're talking about nineteen bodies who are still
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Speaker 9: not have not been released by Ramas.
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Speaker 17: In the past two days, Ramas is been testing.
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Speaker 9: The water, trying Israel, trying how much they can stretch
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Speaker 9: the borders of what they can do with Israel, releasing
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Speaker 9: or sending Israel a body of someone who's not even
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Speaker 9: a part of those twenty eight hostages, bodies who are
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Speaker 9: still being held by Ramas. And I think we've heard
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Speaker 9: loud and clear President Trump yesterday threatening Ramas, telling Ramas
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Speaker 9: not to mess with Israel, to respect the agreements, or
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Speaker 9: Israel will not go to Phase two in the agreement.
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Speaker 9: And I think shar it's also important to talk about
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Speaker 9: the horrifica images that we're getting from the Gaza Strip
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Speaker 9: of Kamas people publicly executing its own, its own people,
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Speaker 9: tens of Palestinians who are being publicly executed, and the
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Speaker 9: world just keeps silence. The world is not talking about
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Speaker 9: what is happening at the Gaza Strip as we're speaking.
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Speaker 17: Where is all the human rights activists, Where all.
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Speaker 9: The peace activists on the flotillas, Where all the people
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Speaker 9: marching for Palestinians. You don't care when Palacinians are murdering
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Speaker 9: another other Palestinians. And the media, the international media is
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Speaker 9: keeping keeping quiet about it.
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Speaker 17: And I'm asking why.
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Speaker 2: One percent.
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Speaker 3: I spoke about this a bit last night as well,
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Speaker 3: you know, at silence from the United Nations, from every
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Speaker 3: Just back to your point about the President still urging
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Speaker 3: Hamas to disarm, threatening that they will be forcibly disarmed.
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Speaker 3: Is the thinking in Israel at the moment they tell that,
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Speaker 3: we could see the IDF have to go back in.
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Speaker 17: One one hundred percent.
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Speaker 9: We've heard Prime ministern At Samiao and President Trump talking
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Speaker 9: about it, urging Ramas.
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Speaker 17: To disarm, and if they won't do it.
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Speaker 9: We won't have any other choice but get inside the
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Speaker 9: Gaza Strip. Again, I need to remind you also there
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Speaker 9: is still terrort tunnels.
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Speaker 17: Inside the Gaza Strip.
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Speaker 9: Roughly around forty percent of the terrant tunnels of Ramas
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Speaker 9: are still there. We still need to dismantle them. But yeah,
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Speaker 9: if we will continue to see those images of Ramas
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Speaker 9: armed men publicly executing people, Israel will have to get in.
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Speaker 9: At the moment, Israel is debating whether to close the
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Speaker 9: rough crossing, and I think now it's time for Israel
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Speaker 9: to really stand up and start sanctioning Hamas because if
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Speaker 9: Coromas is preventing the deal, then we have no other
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Speaker 9: choice than just react forcedly.
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Speaker 3: All right, they tell them by the way, I saw
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Speaker 3: you in some of the footage at the Knesset this
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Speaker 3: week when President Trump spoke so in historic day to
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Speaker 3: be there, no doubt, Thank you so much for you Jing.
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Speaker 17: It was incredible. Thank you Sheriff for having me.
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Speaker 2: Thanks all right.
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Speaker 3: Coming up, Economist David Pearl on the government super super
45:39
Speaker 3: tax backflip wide job numbers are slipping and whether the
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Speaker 3: RBA will cut rates.
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Speaker 2: That's after the break.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Reserve Bank is under renewed pressure to cut
45:53
Speaker 3: the interest rate.
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Speaker 2: This after the unemployment rate.
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Speaker 3: Jumped to a surprise four year high on a half percent.
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Speaker 3: I'm Joe now by former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl.
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Speaker 6: Good to see you again.
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Speaker 3: So, David, this is thirty four thousand more Australians out
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Speaker 3: of work in a single month. The Reserve Bank will
46:14
Speaker 3: need to address this, won't it.
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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on show.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's a difficult one because if you go back
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Speaker 18: to the September meeting of the RBA board, Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 18: and the board were utterly spooked by the fact that
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Speaker 18: inflation since June has been running ahead of the Bank's expectations.
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Speaker 18: So going into their November meeting and bearing in mind
46:41
Speaker 18: comments that Bullock made in Washington last night, I was
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Speaker 18: pretty confident that they would hold and be very reluctant
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Speaker 18: to cut. The bank has always described the labor market
46:54
Speaker 18: as tight. It's worried that wage is a rising too
46:57
Speaker 18: high given up poor proactivity performance. So I think they
46:59
Speaker 18: were blinded by today's unemployment number. It's going to be
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Speaker 18: very difficult meeting in November.
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Speaker 2: So what are you two questions here?
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Speaker 3: What do you think is behind the rise in unemployment
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Speaker 3: and do you expect that there will be a rate
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Speaker 3: cut at the next meeting.
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Speaker 18: The rise in unemployment could be due to a number
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Speaker 18: of things. Household demand is growing quite strongly, as you know,
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Speaker 18: and that was reflected in our most recent GDP figures.
47:24
Speaker 18: But we are seeing a drop off in public sector
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Speaker 18: hiring and a shift toward more hiring or more activity
47:34
Speaker 18: in the private sector. And it could well be that,
47:37
Speaker 18: because the private economy is much more productive than the
47:41
Speaker 18: public sector economy, that transition is associated with slightly weaker
47:46
Speaker 18: employment growth.
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Speaker 10: Employment still growing, i should.
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Speaker 18: Point out, Sharah, just not at a particularly high rate,
47:52
Speaker 18: and the reason unemployment's gone up is that more people
47:55
Speaker 18: are looking for jobs.
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Speaker 10: Now, what will the bank do in November.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's an interest one because my philosophy on this
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Speaker 18: is that the Central Bank Board has.
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Speaker 10: To never allow inflation.
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Speaker 18: Once it's got it down with great pain to get
48:13
Speaker 18: out of the bottle, shouldn't let the genie out of
48:16
Speaker 18: the bottle again because its credibility would be viscerated. Inflation
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Speaker 18: expectations could rise. If, on the other hand, it holds
48:26
Speaker 18: and unemployment ticks up, it's relatively easy for the board
48:31
Speaker 18: to take corrective action later on. So I suspect the
48:35
Speaker 18: last thing Bullock and the Board wants is for inflation
48:38
Speaker 18: to rise and for interest rates to have to increase
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Speaker 18: as well. I think they'll hold. I'm not nostrodamis, of course,
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Speaker 18: but I suspect it'll be the lesser of two evils.
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Speaker 2: I just also want to.
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Speaker 3: Ask you about the comments that Michelle Bullock made overnight.
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Speaker 2: This is in an on.
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Speaker 3: Stage interview where she expressed concern about the current government
48:58
Speaker 3: forecast for deaficit.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about these quite pointed remarks.
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Speaker 18: Really well, it's interesting, Charry, because you and your listeners
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Speaker 18: would know that Michelle Bullock, since she's become governor, has
49:10
Speaker 18: gone out of her way to play very nice with
49:15
Speaker 18: the government and avoid making any direct criticism that would
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Speaker 18: offend the Treasurer.
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Speaker 10: So when I first read about this, I.
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Speaker 18: Thought maybe she didn't realize that her comments would be
49:27
Speaker 18: reported back to Australia.
49:29
Speaker 10: That sometimes happens.
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Speaker 18: People speak freely overseas and they don't realize it all
49:33
Speaker 18: hit the front pages.
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Speaker 10: It's a statement of the obvious.
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Speaker 18: It's interesting because during the pandemic Shari, the RBA Board
49:43
Speaker 18: purchased billions of dollars of government debt, effectively funding massive
49:48
Speaker 18: budget deficits. So it's good to see the bank sticking
49:52
Speaker 18: to its knitting and worrying about excessive spending.
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Speaker 10: The concern I have, Shari, is that Jim.
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Speaker 18: Chalmer's budget strategies to force up tax is times.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: It is extraordinary that the tax revenue is at record
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Speaker 3: rates and yet we're in this position, this budget position.
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Speaker 3: David Pearl, great to see you, and thanks everyone for
50:13
Speaker 3: your company this week.
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Speaker 6: I'll see you on Monday. Here's Paul Murray.