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M and M EXTRA JUNE 3, 2026 “True Crime Mike” and Big Breaks in Radio · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Life.
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Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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Speaker 2: I'm the Mic and M he's the Mark in M.
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Speaker 2: We welcome you in too, yet ournother episode our exciting
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Speaker 2: hope you're enjoying hearing the podcasts and watching them as
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Speaker 2: much as we are doing them. And Mark, I will
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Speaker 2: admit we've talked about this before. I wasn't sure how
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Speaker 2: this was.
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Speaker 3: Going to go.
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Speaker 2: I'm having the time of my life. I'm enjoying this
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Speaker 2: visit with you, this daily visit, which is unique and
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Speaker 2: separate from our respective of talk shows. I'm having a
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Speaker 2: I'm having a ball.
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Speaker 3: As I will sometimes do, I will edit and revise
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Speaker 3: your opening observation. You said I had no you said
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Speaker 3: I think you said I have no idea how it's
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Speaker 3: going to go. I had every idea how I thought
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Speaker 3: it was going to go. I figured it would be
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Speaker 3: a blast, that I would enjoy it, that it would
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Speaker 3: just be a gas, just a huge joy every day.
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Speaker 3: What it has been is about double, if not triple,
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Speaker 3: the level of joy it's just been. And listen, and
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Speaker 3: neither one of us looking for, you know, more stuff
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Speaker 3: in the workday. You know, we're not chopping rocks for
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Speaker 3: a living, but it takes a show prep never stops.
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Speaker 3: Letterman was furious at one point when somebody asked him
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Speaker 3: what's it like to work one hour a day? You know,
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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So there's all kinds of stuff,
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Speaker 3: but neither one of us was looking for like a
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Speaker 3: whole lot of extra stuff to sprinkle throughout the workday.
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Speaker 3: I can't think of anything I would rather do than
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Speaker 3: hang out just a little more with my buddy.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're having a ball, and you know it's twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six is a very consequential year, not only for
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Speaker 2: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher, but also for our parent company,
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Speaker 2: Sale Media Group and Salem, because you know, Salem started
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Speaker 2: over fifty years ago. There were a couple of brothers
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Speaker 2: in law named Stu Eperson and Ed Atsinger, and they
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Speaker 2: bought a station, a little a little radio station in California,
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Speaker 2: I believe Bakersfield, if I'm not mistaken, and it grew
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Speaker 2: into really an extraordinary platform of Christian music, Christian teaching
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Speaker 2: and talk and eventually conservative news talk. And Salem Media
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Speaker 2: now is this kind of a gigantic company that has
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Speaker 2: become one of the most prominent voices in America. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, like every single radio company, we're facing all
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Speaker 2: kinds of challenges, and there's churn, and there's the new
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Speaker 2: level of digital and podcasts and all of that. And
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago it was announced that a
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Speaker 2: company called Waterstone, that formerly called the Christian Community Foundation,
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Speaker 2: a wired all outstanding shares of common stock for Salem
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Speaker 2: and became our new bosses. In effect, they're the new
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Speaker 2: owners outright. Uh, they own completely now Salem Media. You know,
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Speaker 2: you and I were talking about this a couple of
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Speaker 2: weeks ago on your show. Garrett Seawright, who's a writer
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Speaker 2: for for Barrett Media, he just nailed the analysis of
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Speaker 2: what this means. He said that it's a it's a
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Speaker 2: bold step and it's also the right one, and he
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Speaker 2: talked about how other radio groups like Odyssey and Cumulus
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Speaker 2: did it. Now Salem Media joins the club of taking
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Speaker 2: our company private. And that's the key here because he
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Speaker 2: points out that when that happens, when when when you're
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Speaker 2: not a public company anymore, When you're when you're public,
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Speaker 2: when you're you know, you've got shares of stock and
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Speaker 2: all that. Every programming decision, every content investment, every strategic
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Speaker 2: bet gets filtered through the lens of how to play
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Speaker 2: on Wall Street. For a company likes like Salem One
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Speaker 2: that operates with a very specific set of values, a
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Speaker 2: mission statement that we hold true to. We have a
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Speaker 2: very specific audience, we have a very specific mission. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's a structural mismatch. Our identity isn't complicated, he wrote.
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Speaker 2: It wants to serve conservative news talk radio audiences. It
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Speaker 2: wants to remain a fixture in Christian media. Those aren't
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Speaker 2: incidental features of our company. They're the whole point. And
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Speaker 2: it's easy to see why operating in service of a
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Speaker 2: stock price can create friction. And so he went on
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Speaker 2: to say that that Waterstone is a steward that gets it,
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Speaker 2: that gets Salem. It's a perfectly aligned sort of partnership
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Speaker 2: right now. It's a wonderful fit, you know.
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Speaker 3: And for those for those unfamiliar, Salem has been a
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Speaker 3: big company for a long time. And we have Christian
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Speaker 3: teaching and talk stations the Word one hundred point seven
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Speaker 3: here in DFW, they're in your market of Tampa and
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Speaker 3: in South Carolina and all they're all again it's it's
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Speaker 3: spoken word, but specifically religious. Then of course we have
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Speaker 3: all of our talk stations that are technically secular political
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Speaker 3: talk stations, but all just about all the hosts to
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Speaker 3: bring some level of faith. Lord knows, Praeger did Medved
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Speaker 3: did Hew?
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Speaker 2: It?
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Speaker 3: Does you do?
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Speaker 2: I do?
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Speaker 3: You know? So we're we're all about faith all the time,
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Speaker 3: and what are political for the most part, political and
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Speaker 3: cultural talk shows, but we also have town Hall in
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Speaker 3: the Salem Podcast Network and various other things, and Sarah
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Speaker 3: is under that and Hot Air, and it is under
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Speaker 3: that podcast umbrella that this operation exists. So both Mike
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Speaker 3: and I both have our daily radio shows which intersect
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Speaker 3: each morning, and then once that's all done, we hang
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Speaker 3: out here in the podcast world and there's the little
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Speaker 3: Salem one oh one, Waterstone one oh one of how yeah,
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Speaker 3: we do, and we're doing this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a mystery or a secret that
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Speaker 2: the reason we're diving into this podcast space is that
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Speaker 2: this is the world we're in in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: And yep, we know that radio is not going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: And in fact, when they made the big announcement, Dave Santrella,
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Speaker 2: our CEO, led with radio saying that we are we
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Speaker 2: have hundreds of radio stays, including six sixty am, the
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Speaker 2: Answer in Dallas, which is your home. They're not going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: People love radio. But now, of course there's digital. Now
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Speaker 2: there's podcasting, Now there's Salem News Channel. Now there's all
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Speaker 2: these different assets. And incidentally, you mentioned that, and I'm
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Speaker 2: sure sharp eared or sharp eyed folks who are watching
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Speaker 2: are hit listing us today. Notice you left out the
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Speaker 2: Christian music formats, the fish formats as it were, that
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Speaker 2: Salem used to have Garrett Seawright rode over Barrett. It's
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Speaker 2: worth noting that Salem did not arrive at this moment haphazardly.
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Speaker 2: The company spent twenty twenty four dramatically restructuring its balance sheet,
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Speaker 2: selling seven contemporary Christian music stations for eighty million dollars
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Speaker 2: and bringing Waterstone in as a major investor through their
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Speaker 2: forty million dollar convertible preferred stock deal. So this announcement
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Speaker 2: now is a natural next pivot. It's a next chapter.
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Speaker 2: It's not a sudden pivot. So this is kind of
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Speaker 2: it evolved this way and it all works. But we're
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Speaker 2: loving this. I mean, and I'm you know, we're a
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Speaker 2: couple of radio guys, you know, but to embrace this
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Speaker 2: podcast space and YouTube and digital, I'm just I'm just
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Speaker 2: joyful about it all and I can't get enough of it.
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Speaker 2: So now the key is, you gotta if you like
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Speaker 2: what we're doing, tell your friends, tell your families.
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Speaker 3: We canna have a good time. However, there is something
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Speaker 3: we ask of you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta you gotta get get. We want to
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Speaker 2: build this audience we want we get We're getting found
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Speaker 2: thousands now every day of downloads per episode, and everybody
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Speaker 2: looks at downloads per episode as the marker, and uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, we got a little ways to go before
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Speaker 2: we get into you know, Tucker Carlson or Candice Owen's territory.
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Speaker 3: Please use other examples. Please use Joe Rogan, anybody, please please.
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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan territory and uh, uh, I know. Gosh, well, Adam,
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Speaker 2: Adam Carolla, there you go, Adam, you got a big one.
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Speaker 3: You got a big the biggest. I think. No, Rogan's
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Speaker 3: got the biggest, doesn't maybe lately I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: And you know, and what I like about Rogan's podcast,
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Speaker 2: and I think we should Larry O'Connor, by the way,
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Speaker 2: big following on YouTube. He's got a podcast, he's our
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Speaker 2: new morning host on the Salem Radio Network, and he's
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Speaker 2: out of Washington, d C. Here's my internal battle. This
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Speaker 2: is the this is the conflict that plays out in
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Speaker 2: my head every day because it's no mystery to me.
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Speaker 2: I wish that I had a bigger I wish. I
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Speaker 2: think we all wish we had a bigger sort of
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Speaker 2: social media footprint or a bigger digital footprint. But I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna go throw bombs. I'm not a jerk. You're
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Speaker 2: not a jerk. And we're not name callers, and we're
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Speaker 2: not we don't curse up a storm. And I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, look, I think the Candice
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Speaker 2: model is very clear. It's like, look at me, look
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Speaker 2: at me. I'm gonna be as provocative as I can be,
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Speaker 2: and we're not going to be provocative for provocative sake,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think that'll hold us back. But let's
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Speaker 2: face it, if you and I turned into raging, screaming maniacs,
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Speaker 2: you know we might have a lot more followers than subscribers.
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Speaker 3: What are you thinking about next year's April Fool's Day Show?
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Speaker 3: We just it's fun to think about horror.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I think it's a no. I don't why no,
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Speaker 2: go go with it? We start each other. I see
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Speaker 2: number one. I don't even want to do that. Number two.
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Speaker 3: It's fun. There's somebody there's a long list of ideas,
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Speaker 3: fun to think about, horrible idea to do because our
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Speaker 3: luck April first, somebody will go, oh, I had somebody
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Speaker 3: tell me about Mike Gallagher and Mark Davis, those wonderful
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Speaker 3: talk shows they do and eminem Extra and the wonderful
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Speaker 3: chemistry they have. And then there we all are there,
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Speaker 3: bagging on Israel, loving Candice Owens dropping f bombs terror.
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Speaker 3: I pull the plug on that idea.
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Speaker 2: Upon further review, we've decided to Reshare that fun to
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Speaker 2: think about?
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Speaker 3: Fund of the your career?
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Speaker 2: Have you ever done an April on on air April
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Speaker 2: Fools prank.
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Speaker 3: I hate pranks, I hate them, I love them. So
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Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'm not humorless, please, I just I.
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Speaker 3: So the short answer is no, I had one done
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Speaker 3: to me. I guess we've all had things done to
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Speaker 3: us on and on an April first of what might
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Speaker 3: have been nineteen ninety five, I've been back in my
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Speaker 3: native Texas for a year here in DFW, and we
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Speaker 3: was down the dial on WBAP and we were doing
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Speaker 3: I was doing my show from the from the ballpark
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Speaker 3: in Arlington, where the Texas Rangers were doing. I believe
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Speaker 3: their home opener happened to be on April first, which
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Speaker 3: kind of makes sense. So I've got the headphones on
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Speaker 3: ready to go. The opening music starts, and I began,
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Speaker 3: you know, throwing down the call letters and what I'm
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Speaker 3: going to do, and I realize I'm not hearing myself
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Speaker 3: through my headphones at all. And then I hear through
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Speaker 3: my headphones somebody who kind of sounds like me. It's
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Speaker 3: the very, very very talented Hawkeye also known as Mark
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Speaker 3: Lewis on KSCS, our sister station. He does the opening
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Speaker 3: three minutes of the show as me doorking out on space,
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Speaker 3: saying ridiculous things, doing probably stupid music trivia, doing it
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Speaker 3: in a hyper ventilating kind of way that's even more
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Speaker 3: fast paced than I am, kind of like Ben Shapiro
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Speaker 3: on Helium, and it was. It was absolutely hilarious. And
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Speaker 3: then he surrendered the show back to me for the
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Speaker 3: rest of my April first broadcast. So I was the
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Speaker 3: the appreciative victim of an April Fool's Day thing on
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Speaker 3: that particular day thirty ish years ago, how about you.
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Speaker 2: I worked at w g Y in Albany, which was
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Speaker 2: a big powerhouse Troy. You got it, You got it,
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Speaker 2: and it was a really great gig. Although Denise and
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Speaker 2: the kids hated Albany. Oh my word, are they winters
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Speaker 2: or winters? Gray slush and nasty. Denise didn't like the people,
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Speaker 2: I think, and you know, and you know, Albany is
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Speaker 2: a state capital town, so it's kind of a mix.
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Speaker 2: It's not really it certainly is inn't conservative, and so
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Speaker 2: I was kind of a fish out of water in
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Speaker 2: some circles, and I think I think the neighbors kind
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Speaker 2: of took it out on us a little bit, and
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Speaker 2: it was just a it was a largely unpleasant time
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Speaker 2: for Denise. But I, but I came up with the
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Speaker 2: dumbest idea for an April Fool stunt. I did this
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Speaker 2: big thing on air that I have been selected to
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Speaker 2: work on the Rush Limbaugh Show and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: be a correspondent. I'm going to have to leave w
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Speaker 2: g Y in all this is a really goofy story.
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Speaker 3: Why do you hear this? You stay with me for
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Speaker 3: a minute.
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Speaker 2: So I did this whole thing on air about how
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Speaker 2: sad I am to be leaving, but I can't pass
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Speaker 2: up the opportunity to work with Rush. You did this
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Speaker 2: to the audience to air. It was on April Fool's Day.
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Speaker 2: It was on April first, but I on my show.
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Speaker 2: It was a farewell show, and I said, I have
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Speaker 2: to let you know, and I can't give you much
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Speaker 2: notice because they want me in New York City tomorrow
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to be like kind of Russia's top lieutenant.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be on the air with him regularly.
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Speaker 2: It's a tremendous opportunity. And and I'm sad. And then
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Speaker 2: I started like weeping because I was sad to leave Albany.
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Speaker 2: I did the whole thing, I pull out all this
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Speaker 2: with you, now get this. A month later, I was
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Speaker 2: offered the morning show at w A b C in
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Speaker 2: New York City, which was Russia's flagship station, well after
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Speaker 2: the April Fool's joke. Then when I was leaving, nobody
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Speaker 2: believed me. They thought I was just before Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: I and I remember all. I mean, how how weird
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Speaker 2: it was, But how excited I was to get the
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Speaker 2: big call from Phil Boyce, who was then the program director.
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Speaker 2: I still know you because you at the time, had
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Speaker 2: you had you say you had done?
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Speaker 3: Uh, you've done Akron right, no.
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Speaker 2: Albany, I was, You're a people people Dayton Ohio, dayton
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Speaker 2: on the same thing, kidding King Kennying, I love Ohio, Dallas,
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Speaker 2: San Antonio, same thing. You sure, that's the same. But
14:13
Speaker 2: but so what what's the path? Because how did they
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Speaker 2: because you're getting the phone call to hey, would you
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Speaker 2: like to come do a talk show in New York City?
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Speaker 3: How did they find you? How did Phil find you?
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Speaker 2: A guy named Frank Rayfield? Frank Rayfield, did.
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Speaker 3: You know executive?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 3: Because I was okay, ABC? Oh no later on in life?
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Speaker 2: Oh well that's right. And then he wound up. I
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Speaker 2: think I think over at serious exam. Frank Rayfield had
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Speaker 2: a summer home. He was from New York City, but
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Speaker 2: he had a summer home in Saratoga, New York. And
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Speaker 2: he knew about my work because he listened to me
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Speaker 2: on w g Y in Albany, and he told the
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Speaker 2: w ABC executives after Bob Grant got fired. Bob Grant
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Speaker 2: was fired Grant, Oh my gosh, but boy did he
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Speaker 2: getting all kinds of hot water. Remember what he got
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Speaker 2: fired for? Do you remember why?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: What I mean, it's very controversial. Do you remember when
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Speaker 2: Ron Brown, I think he was the Commerce Secretary, Obama's
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Speaker 2: Commas secretary, died in a plane crash, right, Okay, So
15:13
Speaker 2: Bob Grant went on the air and said, there's a
15:15
Speaker 2: report that there is one loan survivor. I think it's
15:22
Speaker 2: Ron Brown, but I'm a pessimist. He made some kind
15:24
Speaker 2: of comment about being optimistic that he died. And that
15:28
Speaker 2: was right after Disney acquired abs w ABC, and Disney
15:32
Speaker 2: was like, Nope, we're not putting up with that, and
15:34
Speaker 2: they and they sent him the door. So along comes,
15:38
Speaker 2: you know, big mouth Mike Gallagher, who's going to be
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Speaker 2: his replacement. But Frank Rafael knew of my work in
15:43
Speaker 2: Albany recommended me to w ABC. I was on a
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Speaker 2: I went left for a cruise with Denise one one
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Speaker 2: day and we were on the cruise ship headed out
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Speaker 2: to the Caribbean, and the cabin phone rings and it
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Speaker 2: was my son, Trevor, and and the kids. They we
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Speaker 2: had a family friends staying with them. And they were young.
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Speaker 2: I mean they were, you know, preteen, teenagers. And Trevor,
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Speaker 2: I pick up the phone, I say hello, and I
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Speaker 2: hear Dad.
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Speaker 3: Dad.
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Speaker 2: I said, Trevor, this call is costing forty seven dollars
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Speaker 2: a second. Get to the house. The house better be
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Speaker 2: on fire. And he said, Dad, I think it's important.
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Speaker 2: A guy named Phil Boyce from WABC wants to talk
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Speaker 2: to you about a job opening at WABC Radio. Mark
16:27
Speaker 2: if I could have figured out a way to swim
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Speaker 2: back the shore, because I had to wait a week,
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Speaker 2: you know, for the cruise, and it was the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the cruise. But anyway, how attentive were you at
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Speaker 2: the ports of Call?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 2: All I could do is dream about actually working down
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Speaker 2: the hall from rush Limbaugh at the and at that
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Speaker 2: at that time, by the way, it was the biggest
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Speaker 2: talk station in America. And by the way, kudos to
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Speaker 2: John katzi Matitis and the WABC crew because it's back
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Speaker 2: to its former glory. They're killing in New York. Have
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Speaker 2: you been reading about that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, only sort of what you've told me,
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Speaker 3: sort of by osmosis because WABC wo R those of
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Speaker 3: said was sort of the talk those are the two
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Speaker 3: talk stations. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But John Katsimatitis, he's a billionaire who owns the Gristiti
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Speaker 2: supermarket chain, and he's got a big, a bunch a
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Speaker 2: ton of a ton of companies, and he loves talk radio,
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Speaker 2: and he bought w ABC a number of years ago
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Speaker 2: and he's sort of restored it. And they got Sid
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Speaker 2: what's his name, I always want to say, Rosen Rosenberg.
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Speaker 2: I think it's Sid Rosenberg in the morning, Sid and
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Speaker 2: Friends and a whole bunch of colorful characters, and guess
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Speaker 2: what on the weekends, Tony Orlando, Joe Piscopo, Cindy Adams.
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Speaker 2: I think got these crazy character New York characters who
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Speaker 2: do weekend shows. But it's back to a huge, huge
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Speaker 2: powerhouse talk station. So they're they're they're great folks. By
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Speaker 2: the way, one final note on pranks before we dive
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Speaker 2: into true crime Mike today, because I want to talk.
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Speaker 3: About one of my favorite characters, true crime Mike.
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Speaker 2: I'm ebarrassed and a shame that I'm such a true
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Speaker 2: crime fan group you and all that, But one final story.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember my dear friend Mike Sinto. Mike was
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Speaker 2: a friend of mine in Ohio and years ago. In fact,
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Speaker 2: Mike and I worked together at w A v I
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Speaker 2: in Dayton, Ohio, and Mike was a great talk show host.
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Speaker 3: He filled in Rush on occasion, did he not?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, for somebody filled in for me
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Speaker 2: on occasion because he was a local host.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which there was some legend that he filled in
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Speaker 3: for Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm flattered that you put me in that category with Rush,
18:34
Speaker 2: but he filled in for me. But he was a
18:35
Speaker 2: dear friend and was a piece of work man. He
18:38
Speaker 2: had a sense of humor that was wicked and rough.
18:42
Speaker 2: And you don't like pranks, you know what? He would
18:44
Speaker 2: he would do things to me. He would like find
18:47
Speaker 2: out I was flying somewhere and he'd call the airline
18:49
Speaker 2: and cancel my plane ticket. He would have my he
18:52
Speaker 2: would have my power. He would have my power turned off.
18:55
Speaker 2: One night, middle of the night, my front door of
18:59
Speaker 2: my home home was broken down by hatchets by the
19:03
Speaker 2: fire department because he called the paramedics and said, my
19:08
Speaker 2: ninety one year old grandmother is laying on the floor
19:11
Speaker 2: in the bathroom. She I think she broke her hip.
19:13
Speaker 2: You go ahead and break the door down and go in.
19:15
Speaker 2: And that was before like they used to trace phone numbers.
19:18
Speaker 2: This is decades and decades ago.
19:21
Speaker 3: I mean, Mark, he was, But that's exactly what I'm
19:26
Speaker 3: talking about. I got to sense a humor. Some things
19:28
Speaker 3: that have no harm, no foul, that's fine. But man,
19:30
Speaker 3: that's that's some Oh.
19:32
Speaker 2: That was dark. That's some dark ver And there was lots.
19:34
Speaker 3: You said you referred to him in the past, Tens.
19:37
Speaker 3: Is he no longer with.
19:38
Speaker 2: He is no longer with us. And I'm going to
19:41
Speaker 2: break your heart when I tell you how he died.
19:44
Speaker 2: And he had some health problems in later years. And
19:47
Speaker 2: I just adore his wife. They are they were the
19:51
Speaker 2: parents of Carly, a special needs young woman in a
19:55
Speaker 2: in a in a wheelchair with a very very profound,
19:59
Speaker 2: profound special needs. And there is nothing to me as
20:03
Speaker 2: pure and as wonderful as a special needs parent, there
20:06
Speaker 2: is do you think about the sacrifice that you make,
20:10
Speaker 2: the commitment you have to have because Carly just, you know,
20:14
Speaker 2: just very very severely disabled and they've just cared for
20:19
Speaker 2: her for years and years and years and she's the
20:21
Speaker 2: light and joy of their lives. So Mike had some
20:24
Speaker 2: health problems, but nothing too terrible during COVID. That is,
20:28
Speaker 2: I'm going to break my heart to tell the story now,
20:30
Speaker 2: but I don't start crying. He cut his hand. He was
20:34
Speaker 2: doing something around the house and he cut his hand
20:38
Speaker 2: and the and the wound kept getting worse. Well, Kathy
20:42
Speaker 2: kept trying to talk him into going to the doctor.
20:44
Speaker 2: He was terrified of going to the doctor because he
20:48
Speaker 2: was terrified of COVID. He had it in his mind
20:52
Speaker 2: that if he went to the doctor, he would get COVID,
20:56
Speaker 2: and so he refused to get this cut treated. And
21:01
Speaker 2: it wasn't even that big a deal, but it got
21:02
Speaker 2: infected and it got worse and worse, and Mike he
21:07
Speaker 2: wound up getting sepsis and died. And he died from
21:11
Speaker 2: that cut. And it was a and it was something
21:14
Speaker 2: that was so easily treated, but he had he put
21:17
Speaker 2: it off and put it off and put it off
21:18
Speaker 2: and didn't go to the doctor because he was afraid
21:21
Speaker 2: of catching COVID. Isn't that wild?
21:24
Speaker 3: My goodness, gracious me, I am so sorry.
21:28
Speaker 2: I just COVID. COVID broke people.
21:31
Speaker 3: It scrambled people, It scrambled people's brains. And interesting, just
21:34
Speaker 3: in this last couple of weeks we've had like the
21:37
Speaker 3: CIA whistleblower guy that appeared before Congress talking about how
21:41
Speaker 3: in the Biden years the CIA covered up the origin.
21:45
Speaker 3: It's funny because delving doing deep dives in the rear
21:49
Speaker 3: view mirror about the origins of COVID are either a
21:52
Speaker 3: wheel spinning waste of time or enormously useful or somewhere
21:55
Speaker 3: in between. I I'm much more interested in the future
21:59
Speaker 3: than I am. You know, rehashed a million things about
22:00
Speaker 3: the past, but if you don't learn the lessons of history,
22:03
Speaker 3: you can be doomed to repeat them. We need to
22:06
Speaker 3: never forget what was done to us. We need to
22:08
Speaker 3: never forget the way that science was hijacked and politicized.
22:13
Speaker 3: The very definition of expertise was dashed against the rocks.
22:17
Speaker 3: So that hopefully we can be collectively and individually smarter
22:21
Speaker 3: next time.
22:22
Speaker 2: Well, you talk about those hearings a couple of weeks
22:24
Speaker 2: ago on Capitol Hill, that whistleblower alleging that Tony Fauci,
22:28
Speaker 2: the doctor Anthony Fauci, influenced the COVID nineteen origin investigation
22:34
Speaker 2: and analysis.
22:36
Speaker 3: The CIA got.
22:38
Speaker 2: Involved because look, it's the CIA's informed opinion and conclusion
22:43
Speaker 2: that this was a lab leak, that this was absolutely
22:46
Speaker 2: something from either deliberately or accidentally from the Wuhan virology lab.
22:52
Speaker 3: And all that.
22:53
Speaker 2: I just get sick even talking about it. That whole
22:55
Speaker 2: chapter of our nation's history is just such a dark period,
22:59
Speaker 2: and just to even hate bringing it up.
23:01
Speaker 3: I feel like it was a bad movie that I
23:03
Speaker 3: was unwittingly cast in. Yeah.
23:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a bad dream. And my kids, two
23:07
Speaker 2: of my kids were shattered by it. They just hated
23:10
Speaker 2: what they what what what the country was put through.
23:12
Speaker 2: And look, we better never do this again. We better
23:15
Speaker 2: never go down the path to the path we took.
23:17
Speaker 2: But you know what, that depends on who the leadership
23:20
Speaker 2: is going to be, because if Democrats are in control,
23:22
Speaker 2: we're gonna be we're gonna be bending the knee again.
23:25
Speaker 3: Well okay, well, well I ain't gonna be bending the knee.
23:28
Speaker 3: They they and I know your point is is so
23:30
Speaker 3: is sound. They're gonna try that, They will try. I
23:34
Speaker 3: think there will be and I'm not talking about flaming
23:36
Speaker 3: pitchforks and gunfire in the streets necessarily, but I don't
23:41
Speaker 3: think the public will allow this to ever be. And
23:44
Speaker 3: you know it's weird, pardon me, you know, thinking about this.
23:48
Speaker 3: What if there is a pandemic that is so bad
23:53
Speaker 3: that it deserves the kind of outsized concern they tried
23:57
Speaker 3: to jam down our throats and we are cavili hear
24:00
Speaker 3: about it because we were hosed so badly then, and
24:03
Speaker 3: that exerts a death toll.
24:05
Speaker 2: It will, and in fact, there's no doubt that's gonna happen.
24:09
Speaker 2: Not that there's gonna be a pandemic, but there's no
24:11
Speaker 2: doubt that the American people will react that way because
24:13
Speaker 2: people are never going to do that again. There's gonna
24:16
Speaker 2: be such a knee jerk reaction. There's gonna be such
24:20
Speaker 2: a an over the top pushback. And you're right, even
24:24
Speaker 2: if it's something legit, never again, people aren't going to
24:28
Speaker 2: do it. You're going to see people fighting in the
24:30
Speaker 2: streets over it. You're gonna have all kinds of chaos
24:32
Speaker 2: in the streets. You're gonna have people arguing about Look,
24:35
Speaker 2: there were such bizarre can I Can I tell one
24:38
Speaker 2: bizarre moment in Tampa where I do the radio show.
24:44
Speaker 2: I went in every every day, you know, for for
24:46
Speaker 2: a while, even when and you did too, right, you
24:48
Speaker 2: went in even during COVID, I.
24:51
Speaker 3: Never missed a day. I never did a show from
24:52
Speaker 3: anywhere else other than this radio stage.
24:54
Speaker 2: Which is which is very unusual because a lot of
24:56
Speaker 2: us have the ability to broadcast from home, especially when
24:59
Speaker 2: they're wasn't TV back in the day. So you know,
25:02
Speaker 2: we we we were just doing radio. And you can
25:03
Speaker 2: plug in a box and you can do it from
25:05
Speaker 2: your living room, and you can do the radio show
25:06
Speaker 2: from anywhere. But you always believe in going in and
25:09
Speaker 2: and and I went in for a while too, but
25:12
Speaker 2: I would I got a mandate. Now nobody was in
25:15
Speaker 2: the building, like three people, nobody was there, and I
25:19
Speaker 2: parked the I would park the car in the parking lot,
25:21
Speaker 2: walk through the back door. It was about thirty yards
25:25
Speaker 2: and with nobody around. And there was an edict handed
25:28
Speaker 2: down by by our parent company out of at the time,
25:32
Speaker 2: out of California. You have to wear a mask to
25:36
Speaker 2: and from the studio. And I thought, well, this is ridiculous.
25:40
Speaker 2: There's nobody in the building. What are you talking about.
25:43
Speaker 2: I got reamed out by the general manager of the
25:46
Speaker 2: radio station because she and I love her to death,
25:49
Speaker 2: but she said, Mike, you're not wearing a mask. I said, Barb,
25:54
Speaker 2: I'm walking from the car to the studio. There's nobody
25:58
Speaker 2: I'm not even in contact with. That's the corporate policy.
26:01
Speaker 2: You have to And I got into it with her.
26:03
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. It was the only time I disagree
26:05
Speaker 2: with her. But can you And again we were all cuckoo.
26:08
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Remember when we went into restaurants we
26:11
Speaker 2: were allowed to go eat, but you had to wear
26:12
Speaker 2: a mask to the table. But then you could take
26:14
Speaker 2: the mask off to eat your food.
26:16
Speaker 3: But then you could It was you could go, you
26:17
Speaker 3: could go to church, but you shouldn't sing. I think
26:20
Speaker 3: it was one of my favorites out of Washington State.
26:21
Speaker 3: I believe they'd say.
26:22
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you the story about that real
26:24
Speaker 2: quick rabbit hole mark. I knew somebody a Broadway actor, uh,
26:32
Speaker 2: and it was public Chad Kimball. He was in a
26:34
Speaker 2: show called Come from Away, which you loved, I got
26:37
Speaker 2: you tickets and and Chad you know, said he lived
26:41
Speaker 2: in Washington State, and they his governor at the time,
26:45
Speaker 2: said you can go to church, but you cannot sing.
26:48
Speaker 2: And he said, I'm sorry, I respectfully will disagree with this.
26:51
Speaker 2: I'm going to make to the Lord a joyful noise.
26:53
Speaker 2: I'm going to sing. The rest of the cast of
26:56
Speaker 2: the Broadway show he was in was triggered. They felt
26:59
Speaker 2: unsafe by his position. He got fired from the job
27:04
Speaker 2: and wound up suing. And I don't ever know how
27:07
Speaker 2: that even got how that was ever resolved, but I
27:11
Speaker 2: think he had a pretty good leg to stand on.
27:13
Speaker 2: You can't because it it became about his religious expression.
27:16
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna go to churchly gonna sing. So
27:19
Speaker 2: it was just a crazy, crazy time. We did things
27:22
Speaker 2: that will we're never gonna do again. All right, let
27:25
Speaker 2: me let me take some time. A couple of weeks ago,
27:28
Speaker 2: this bombshell decision by the South Carolina Supreme Court overturning
27:34
Speaker 2: Alex Murdoch's double murder conviction. He's the man who was
27:39
Speaker 2: convicted of slaughtering his wife, Maggie and their son Paul
27:45
Speaker 2: in cold blood, this horrific crime. Now, before we get
27:50
Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole, can I ask you did you
27:52
Speaker 2: follow the Murdoch story very closely?
27:54
Speaker 3: Not one bit. This is one of those glorious things
27:58
Speaker 3: where a lot of times is you and me coming
28:00
Speaker 3: in with hot opinions, kind of operating on an equal footing.
28:04
Speaker 3: Other times it'll be me spouting about stuff you have
28:07
Speaker 3: no concept of, so you're just kind of listening with
28:10
Speaker 3: rapt attention as I hold court. This is the reverse
28:13
Speaker 3: of that. Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to meet
28:15
Speaker 3: one of my favorite characters. It's true crime, Mike. He
28:18
Speaker 3: loves it. If it's true crime, he loves it. He
28:20
Speaker 3: watches all the shows, he reads all the books. He
28:23
Speaker 3: just can't get enough with more. Here's true crime, Mike.
28:26
Speaker 2: I mean I played guilty to all of that. Because look,
28:28
Speaker 2: if Forensic Files is on TV, I might get stuck
28:31
Speaker 2: there for about seven hours. I may be stuck there.
28:34
Speaker 2: Nun I get it, but I do. I do not
28:37
Speaker 2: bathe in this, but I'm I eat it up, I
28:42
Speaker 2: drink it up, I bathe in it. I can't get
28:45
Speaker 2: enough of it. I'm riveted by the I mean I
28:48
Speaker 2: think it's the whole cat and mouse. A crime is committed,
28:51
Speaker 2: how are we going to catch the bad guy? And
28:53
Speaker 2: I and I and I love for again. Forensic Files
28:56
Speaker 2: is probably one of my favorites because they're the ones
28:58
Speaker 2: that use forensic technology to figure out whether it's blood
29:01
Speaker 2: spatter or or DNA or whatever. I love this stuff
29:07
Speaker 2: and I and that's why. Hey, speaking of podcasts, which
29:10
Speaker 2: we love doing every day, true crime podcasts are some
29:13
Speaker 2: of the most popular on the planet. That there's a
29:16
Speaker 2: whole cottage industry of these true crime you know, explorations.
29:20
Speaker 2: I love this. There's a show about true crime podcasts,
29:24
Speaker 2: Only Murders in the Building with Martin Short, Steve Martin,
29:26
Speaker 2: and Selena go And I kind of get into that.
29:29
Speaker 2: Do you have you watched all the episodes of that?
29:30
Speaker 1: I was.
29:32
Speaker 3: I did a couple episodes said don't care, moved on, but.
29:35
Speaker 2: I kind of felt the same way.
29:37
Speaker 3: But but everybody loves it. Everybody loves it.
29:38
Speaker 2: I may go back and revisit that because they are
29:41
Speaker 2: their podcasters, right, Martin Short, Steve Martin, and Selena Gomez.
29:45
Speaker 2: I may have to check that again. I love Marty Short,
29:48
Speaker 2: I think, and I'm Steve Martin. So anyway, the South
29:51
Speaker 2: Carolina Supreme Court overturned Alex Murdock's double murder conviction. And
29:55
Speaker 2: it was because completely because of the county. And it's
29:59
Speaker 2: a if you don't know that, if you're like Mark,
30:02
Speaker 2: let me quickly tell you the story of Alex Murdoch.
30:04
Speaker 2: He was in the low He and his family lived
30:06
Speaker 2: in the low country of South Carolina, and the low country,
30:09
Speaker 2: you know, South Carolina's divided. He got the upstate, you
30:12
Speaker 2: got the middle part, you got the low country, the
30:14
Speaker 2: low country, the swampy areas and the kind of mysterious
30:19
Speaker 2: almost you know, I think Savannah, Georgia, but that's the
30:21
Speaker 2: low country of South Carolina, right, the weeping willows and
30:24
Speaker 2: the swamps and the creeter Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well,
30:29
Speaker 2: the Murdoch family ruled forever in the legal system of
30:34
Speaker 2: this particular part of South Carolina. Uh. The grandfather was
30:38
Speaker 2: a lawyer, The father was a lawyer, and then Alex
30:41
Speaker 2: became a lawyer, and they ruled the roost. I mean,
30:45
Speaker 2: Alex had a badge and he had blue lights on
30:47
Speaker 2: his car. I mean strutted around town like he was
30:49
Speaker 2: a big shot, and he was he was a privileged
30:52
Speaker 2: and what do they call him, nepo babies. I mean,
30:54
Speaker 2: he was the son of this family of wealthy, successful lawyers,
30:58
Speaker 2: and he became a wealthy, success full lawyer. Well, as
31:01
Speaker 2: the story goes, he became hopelessly addicted to pain pills
31:06
Speaker 2: and to drugs, and in order to fund and fuel
31:09
Speaker 2: his drug addiction, he started stealing from the law firm.
31:14
Speaker 2: And then in addition to all those improprieties were these
31:18
Speaker 2: weird mysterious deaths that were in and around the Murdoch family.
31:24
Speaker 2: For example, their housekeeper mysteriously fell down the steps to
31:28
Speaker 2: her death, and it turned out they found out later
31:31
Speaker 2: that Alex Murdoch and there was a settlement with the
31:34
Speaker 2: insurance company, the Murdoch Family Insurance Company, and rather than
31:38
Speaker 2: give the the housekeeper, who had cared for the family
31:42
Speaker 2: for years, rather than give her sons the proceeds, he
31:47
Speaker 2: kept it. He made money on the deal. He pocketed
31:50
Speaker 2: the money and never paid out the money to the
31:52
Speaker 2: children of the housekeeper who died at the Murdoch family
31:56
Speaker 2: estate by falling down the steps. And there were all
31:58
Speaker 2: kinds of you know, in sin, that they pushed her,
32:01
Speaker 2: that they killed her.
32:02
Speaker 3: Whatever.
32:02
Speaker 2: Then there was another kid in town that wound up
32:06
Speaker 2: getting killed, and it was alleged that it was one
32:08
Speaker 2: of the Murdoch's sons, bust her. Long story short, we
32:12
Speaker 2: get to a point where Alex Murdoch's life has spiraled
32:14
Speaker 2: out of control. He's hopelessly addicted to pain pills. He
32:19
Speaker 2: is the law firm is closing in on him because
32:22
Speaker 2: they found out that he had been stealing from them,
32:25
Speaker 2: and one fateful night, his wife Maggie and his son
32:30
Speaker 2: Paul are found a shot to death outside the house's kennel.
32:35
Speaker 2: They had a kennel with the dogs, the hunting dogs,
32:38
Speaker 2: behind the house, and they were brutally shot. I think
32:42
Speaker 2: she was shot in the face. The kid was shot
32:45
Speaker 2: in the back of the head. They were shot repeatedly.
32:48
Speaker 2: Alex calls nine to one one and he's crying and
32:50
Speaker 2: he's sobbing, Oh, somebody killed my wife and my kid. Well,
32:53
Speaker 2: he was convicted of the murders. And for anybody watching it, look,
32:58
Speaker 2: the narrative is he absolutely did it. That the world
33:02
Speaker 2: was the walls were closing in on him. He decided
33:06
Speaker 2: to take out. He was mad at the kid because, oh,
33:08
Speaker 2: by the way, I've left out the sun was the
33:11
Speaker 2: driver of a speedboat where a young woman was killed
33:15
Speaker 2: and he yep, and he was. He was charged with
33:18
Speaker 2: that crime, but then that got covered up because of
33:20
Speaker 2: the lawyer, the lawyering of the family and everything. So
33:24
Speaker 2: that's the son that was shot dead. So the whole
33:27
Speaker 2: thing is just this one big goth that you talk
33:29
Speaker 2: about a Gothic novel. This is it, right? Well, the
33:33
Speaker 2: Supreme Court of South Carolina ruled that the Colleton County
33:37
Speaker 2: Clerk of Court, a woman named Rebecca Hill, in Alex
33:41
Speaker 2: Murdoch's Murdaw's murder trial, tampered with the jury during his
33:46
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three trial. I'll tell you how she told
33:50
Speaker 2: jurors as the defense attorneys were posting evidence, don't be
33:56
Speaker 2: fooled by the evidence presented by Murdoch's Murdaw's offense attorneys.
34:01
Speaker 2: Then she told the jurors watch him closely and look
34:05
Speaker 2: at his actions and movements. Told them that before they
34:08
Speaker 2: took the standard. She's the clerk of courts, She's not
34:10
Speaker 2: supposed that.
34:11
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't believe this if.
34:13
Speaker 2: It's a true story. And then and then she told
34:17
Speaker 2: the jury, as the deliberations we're about to begin. This
34:21
Speaker 2: shouldn't take us long. And the Supreme Court called her
34:26
Speaker 2: conduct breathtaking and disgraceful and said it was unprecedented in
34:32
Speaker 2: South Carolina and as a result, as a result, they
34:36
Speaker 2: threw the whole conviction out.
34:38
Speaker 3: So what happens to what happens to him now? What is.
34:42
Speaker 2: He's still he's still incarcerated because of all the financial
34:45
Speaker 2: convictions that he would but he's going to get a
34:48
Speaker 2: new murder trial, which means true crime. Mike is going
34:50
Speaker 2: to get the popcorn out again. We're going to get
34:54
Speaker 2: it all over again. It's it's the Murdoch murder trial
34:57
Speaker 2: two point zero. Oh my gosh, it's christm should.
35:01
Speaker 3: Christmas in whatever. So you mentioned somebody falling downstairs, which
35:06
Speaker 3: reminded me did we ever talk about this? Because this
35:09
Speaker 3: was this was double weird and they'll probably get us
35:11
Speaker 3: to get us to the finish line today. It I
35:15
Speaker 3: saw I think an eight episode dramas. Yes, Staircase, Staircase, Staircase.
35:22
Speaker 3: It was the Staircase with the great Colin Firth. Who
35:25
Speaker 3: else is in there? I don't know, blah blah blah,
35:28
Speaker 3: true Colin Firth and Tony Collette and it's a bit
35:32
Speaker 3: that you're dragged along for the mystery of Diddy killer.
35:35
Speaker 3: You don't think so, And then you realize that this
35:38
Speaker 3: that it's a dramatization of something that really did happen,
35:42
Speaker 3: about which there was a real documentary also called The Staircase,
35:49
Speaker 3: done by some French people. It was a show about
35:52
Speaker 3: a show, and I confess I was hooked on the
35:54
Speaker 3: entire thing. Staircase Netflix or the Staircase for real. Just
35:58
Speaker 3: go and Michael, be proud of you because it was
36:01
Speaker 3: my gosh. I mean, you don't think I missed it?
36:02
Speaker 1: Do you?
36:03
Speaker 2: You think you know me? Of course I saw it.
36:05
Speaker 2: I mean I love this stuff. I when I'm bored
36:08
Speaker 2: on the weekends or whatever and I'm looking for something
36:11
Speaker 2: to watch, I just start scrolling doom, scrolling through Netflix
36:14
Speaker 2: or Primetime Video or any of these platforms to find
36:19
Speaker 2: a true crime documentary.
36:21
Speaker 3: Can't nothing. What what we send you last Christmas? Among
36:24
Speaker 3: other things I went to was the socks, the what
36:26
Speaker 3: are the bottom of the socks? Saying something watching I'm
36:29
Speaker 3: watching my murder show.
36:30
Speaker 2: Leave me alone, I'm watching my murder mysteries. I mean,
36:33
Speaker 2: I love that stuff. It's really but isn't it weird.
36:36
Speaker 2: I wonder what draws me to be into that, because
36:38
Speaker 2: I mean, you're like, I consider you normal, and I'm
36:41
Speaker 2: definitely a free show. So why do normal people do
36:45
Speaker 2: normal people like this stuff like I do?
36:47
Speaker 3: Well, clearly a ton of them do.
36:48
Speaker 2: Look at Look at the podcast totals, Look at this
36:50
Speaker 2: of the popularity of only murders in the building, Look
36:52
Speaker 2: at the so I while it doesn't ensnare.
36:57
Speaker 3: Me similarly, I see why it does. Or white Wood.
37:01
Speaker 3: And there's another interest that I have that is a
37:04
Speaker 3: cousin of this, and that would be a certain I
37:07
Speaker 3: guess it's a morbid fascination with humanity, what we're capable of,
37:13
Speaker 3: and then what in the world constitutes evil? Why does
37:17
Speaker 3: it exist? We talk about that with real stories all
37:19
Speaker 3: the time, and then throw in something that is inherently
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Speaker 3: pretty darn fascinating. And that is the nature of police work,
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Speaker 3: the nature of investigation. It hasn't that got to be
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Speaker 3: And listen, you and I have all kinds of listeners
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Speaker 3: and viewers and fans and such who we're the official
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Speaker 3: law enforcement talk shows and stuff like that. But I
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Speaker 3: would think that being a detective, being an investigator has
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Speaker 3: got to be one of the most amazing things you
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Speaker 3: can do for a living. Well, you know.
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Speaker 2: I have a foundation called Gallagher's Heroes, the Fallen Officer Fund,
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Speaker 2: and we started years ago to benefit the families of
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Speaker 2: police officers who've been killed in the line of duty.
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Speaker 2: We also published the First Responders Bible, which we give
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Speaker 2: for the first responders all over the country. It's a
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Speaker 2: King James Bible with a spiritual fitness manual attached to it.
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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of our efforts and I know where
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Speaker 2: it stems from. Many years ago, when I was a
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Speaker 2: young talk show host in South Carolina, I was invited
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Speaker 2: to go on a ride along with a police officer
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Speaker 2: at the Greer, South Carolina Police Department and the chief
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Speaker 2: there was a guy by the name of Dean Crisp,
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Speaker 2: and they hosted me for a ride along and that
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Speaker 2: was it.
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Speaker 3: I was hooked.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I spent hundreds of hours doing ride alongs,
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Speaker 2: middle of the night drug busts, high speed chases, and
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Speaker 2: I was right there in it. I mean I had
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Speaker 2: some nights they gave me a bulletproof vest because they
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Speaker 2: were going to do a drug raid. Oh yeah, Denise
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Speaker 2: was so mad at me. She said, well, I hope
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Speaker 2: you're happy, Gallagher. You're going to get your head blown
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Speaker 2: off because you're going to go on some call.
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Speaker 3: With the police.
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Speaker 2: But I loved it. But I also developed a deep
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Speaker 2: and abiding respect for men and women of law enforcement,
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Speaker 2: seeing what they go through every day, how they put
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Speaker 2: their life on the line, how you pull over a
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Speaker 2: motorist in the middle of the night by yourself and
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Speaker 2: you don't know what the motorist is going to do
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Speaker 2: inside that darkened window of the car. I just and
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Speaker 2: that's where it all came from. So on that happy note,
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Speaker 2: my friend, you know, True Crime MIC is going to
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Speaker 2: be you know, ready to settle it.
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Speaker 3: It's a recurring character True Crime. MIC will be back
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Speaker 3: trusted when it happens when we need theme music for
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