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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-14-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Heavy hump day, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us. We've got a special
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  Speaker 2: version of the show today. Schedules have dictated that Dishing
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  Speaker 2: got our only October event for the PFL this weekend
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  Speaker 2: in Chicago. So I'll be doing the show today and
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  Speaker 2: then I'm out for Thursday and Friday, which I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: in a game week is not exactly ideal, but It
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  Speaker 2: good to hear from you. We'll take a deep dive
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  Speaker 2: into the Colorado matchup today. Colorado coming off their bye week.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that that changes a lot for a team.
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  Speaker 2: That is statistically. They're having some problems.
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  Speaker 1: Practically.
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  Speaker 2: They're having some problems on film. There's some easily identifiable problems.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we were mostly just going to be tongue
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  Speaker 2: in cheek about, you know, making fun of how small
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  Speaker 2: this team is. It does manifest itself in things like
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  Speaker 2: yards after contact for the opposition. And that obviously bodes
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  Speaker 2: well for the university of Utah. So we'll take a
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  Speaker 2: closer look at the Colorado matchup today. And because of,
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  Speaker 2: I don't get to be with you on Thursday and Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that you'll indulge me and tell me what
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  Speaker 2: your expectations for this game are. I was hopefully not
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  Speaker 2: overconfident against Kansas. I think that in the reality of
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  Speaker 2: the way that that game played out, my Friday show,
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  Speaker 2: I was probably dismissive of Kansas' chances, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: want anyone to feel that way about Colorado, but this
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  Speaker 2: is a Colorado team that is sort of teetering on
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  Speaker 2: the brink right now Isaac Wilson will be the starting
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  Speaker 2: quarterback as Deion Sanders announced. That by itself is an
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  Speaker 2: interesting development here. Stokes is also playing on the defensive
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball for the University of Colorado after
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  Speaker 2: being with the University of Utah. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: those players, good or bad, give Colorado any kind of
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  Speaker 2: advantage here. I talked yesterday about how difficult the situation
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  Speaker 2: for Isaac Wilson is going to be because this coaching
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  Speaker 2: staff knows his tendencies so well. If he's getting anything
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  Speaker 2: from the university of Colorado staff, hopefully he's getting coached
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  Speaker 2: out of those bad tendencies, but this is a Colorado
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  Speaker 2: Buffaloes team right now. That is dead last in the
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  Speaker 2: big 12 conference in scoring. They're 18 and a half
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  Speaker 2: points per game. They are 15th out of 16 in
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  Speaker 2: rushing offense per game. They are middle of the road
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  Speaker 2: in their passing offense right now. They're eighth in the
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  Speaker 2: conference in passing offense, which is only three spots below
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  Speaker 2: where Utah is at. They're 14th overall in offensive production. Defensively,
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  Speaker 2: Colorado fares slightly better. They're the number 14 scoring defense
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  Speaker 2: in the conference. They're ninth in the conference against the run,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is going to be massively important in
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  Speaker 2: this game. They are 10th in the conference against the pass.
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  Speaker 2: And the aggregate for Colorado is they're the 10th best
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  Speaker 2: overall defense in this conference. Now, there are some categories
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  Speaker 2: in which they're doing some decent work. Colorado in the
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  Speaker 2: tackles for loss category, not in sacks necessarily, but in
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  Speaker 2: the tackles for loss category, They have 44 TFLs on
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  Speaker 2: the season. That's second to only Arizona. Utah, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is almost last in the conference. They're 14th in the
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  Speaker 2: conference in tackles for loss, which surprised me when I
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  Speaker 2: looked that up because I feel like there's been plenty
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  Speaker 2: of negative plays for the opposition based on Utah doing
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  Speaker 2: some good things. But they're 14th in the conference right
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  Speaker 2: now in tackles for loss. Colorado has some protection issues.
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  Speaker 2: The university of Utah needs a get right game in
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  Speaker 2: pass rush.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is it. This is your best opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Whether you want to blame the quarterbacks, Julian Lewis, wasn't
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  Speaker 2: doing a good job with this. Isaac Wilson is notoriously
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  Speaker 2: not super great with this. Uh, the offensive line lost
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  Speaker 2: its best player transferred LSU in the off season.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Seton is no longer there. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Colorado doesn't have the right kind of bodies walking out
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  Speaker 2: of that locker room door for the most part in Boulder.
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  Speaker 2: They've given up 11 sacks so far on the year.
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  Speaker 2: If Utah is going to experience a get-right game with
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  Speaker 2: the pass rush, this is the best opportunity to do
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  Speaker 2: it for several reasons. Because we know who the quarterback is. Also,
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  Speaker 2: because this offensive line is just not great. Utah, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, has given up six sacks on the season.
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  Speaker 2: That's sixth place in the conference. If you remember when
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  Speaker 2: we go back to the previous start or the start
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  Speaker 2: of the previous season when you had this all-everything offensive
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  Speaker 2: line and an elusive quarterback who was coming off the
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  Speaker 2: season at New Mexico where he was only sacked personally
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  Speaker 2: like three times on the year, I overpromised and said
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  Speaker 2: that you're not going to You're not going to see
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  Speaker 2: this quarterback get sacked at the university of Utah. Ultimately
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  Speaker 2: Utah gave up 14 sacks on the year. That was
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  Speaker 2: good enough for third in the big 12 conference.
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  Speaker 1: You'd like to see that number. When we get to
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  Speaker 1: the end of the season, be similar.
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  Speaker 2: And I think with healthy quarterbacks, both bird and Devin,
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  Speaker 2: it's more likely that Utah has a good number there,
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  Speaker 2: but right now they're trending toward the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: conference and in that particular statistical category. The other thing
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  Speaker 2: that I was thinking about when we were talking about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the particulars of a Colorado versus Utah matchup,
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  Speaker 2: as these go on the road to Boulder, there's a, an.
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  Speaker 1: Ingrained part of.
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  Speaker 2: Utah football identity that we attach to its defense. And
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  Speaker 2: You're now, once again, looking at a program that is
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  Speaker 2: under a defensive-minded head coach, under a defensive player, defensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 2: defensive position coach, right?
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  Speaker 1: We're going on to.
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  Speaker 2: Three decades now where Utah has had a defensive-minded head
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  Speaker 2: coach and wanted that physical presence and the defense to
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  Speaker 2: be kind of the the flag bearer for the program,
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  Speaker 2: we're also trending in a direction where offensively Utah might
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  Speaker 2: be outpacing its own self defensively.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, I didn't know that we would ever see this.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, although urban Meyer and those offensive years, the two
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  Speaker 2: years with urban Meyer, I think Utah was better known
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  Speaker 2: for its offense and its innovation and the spread concepts
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  Speaker 2: that everyone knows. in college football have ended up adopting
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  Speaker 2: and normalizing and making it. So we don't even talk
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  Speaker 2: about them anymore, but that was a big offensive explosion
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of years. These last two under separate coordinators,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, and separate head coaches for the university
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  Speaker 2: of Utah with plenty of ball left to play. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll watch it play out and we'll figure out what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be. Utah is trending in a direction
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  Speaker 2: where like Balance might be more the identity. Offense might
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  Speaker 2: be more the identity than just saying, oh, yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the best defenses in all of college football.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not to disparage Colton Swan or the defensive
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  Speaker 2: work that is being done at the University of Utah
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  Speaker 2: right now. This is the number six scoring defense in
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  Speaker 2: the country at the moment. Miami, North Dakota State, randomly
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  Speaker 2: New Mexico. You wouldn't have expected. Notre Dame, Indiana, Utah,
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State, BYU. They're tied with TCU and Georgia. So
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  Speaker 2: you've got in the top ten in the conference right now,
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  Speaker 2: or excuse me, the top ten in the country right now,
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  Speaker 2: you've got three Big 12 conference teams when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to scoring defense, and Utah is tops among all of them.
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  Speaker 2: They're number nine right now in the country in rushing defense.
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  Speaker 2: The pass defense, you've got to scroll down a little
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  Speaker 2: bit to find where Utah ranks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how far am I going to have to scroll
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  Speaker 1: down on this?
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  Speaker 2: But in any case, this University of Utah football program
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  Speaker 2: is still defensive-minded. They're top 18 in the country in
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  Speaker 2: total defense. The scoring defense is what matters more to me.
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  Speaker 2: And when you think about a defensive identity, how well
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  Speaker 2: does a team run the ball against you is oftentimes important.
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  Speaker 2: what you really attach that sort of stereotype to. And
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  Speaker 2: Utah ranks well in those places. But oddly enough, for
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  Speaker 2: the second straight year, they're ranking equal to or higher
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  Speaker 2: on offense than they are on defense. And that's just
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  Speaker 2: something that we have not been used to as fans
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  Speaker 2: of this program, as observers of this program, as alumni
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  Speaker 2: from this program.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you think of death.
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  Speaker 2: When, when Joel Klatt said death taxes in Utah football,
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  Speaker 2: he was talking about death taxes in Utah defense for
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  Speaker 2: the most part. And then the outlier years for Utah
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  Speaker 2: have come with this offensive potency. It is truly right.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's the icing on the cake for Utah football.
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  Speaker 2: It always has been, or previously has been the icing
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  Speaker 2: on the cake for Utah football, because you could rely on,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, this team is definitely going to be good
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  Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. They're definitely going
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  Speaker 2: to be physical. What's going to separate your eight win
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  Speaker 2: seasons from your 11 win seasons or your 12 win
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  Speaker 2: seasons is going to be this, what we're seeing right
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  Speaker 2: now from this team. So are we Are we ready
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  Speaker 2: to think about this year's version of Utah football in
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  Speaker 2: the same way we think about or thought about the
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  Speaker 2: Pac-12 championship years and the Fiesta Bowl year and the
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  Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl year and the year previous to the Fiesta
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  Speaker 2: Bowl year, the 10-2 conference championship? Are we looking at
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  Speaker 2: it and saying, yeah, this is a team that has
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  Speaker 2: all of the bread and the butter and the building.
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  Speaker 1: Blocks, but it also has.
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  Speaker 2: The bells and whistles, the shiny stuff, the frosting, the
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  Speaker 2: icing on the cake. Or do you have to look
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  Speaker 2: at it differently now? Are you starting to look at
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  Speaker 2: it differently now, whether you have to or not, that
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  Speaker 2: Utah's offensive potency is going to become just as much
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  Speaker 2: of the foundation as it is anything else? I'm starting
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  Speaker 2: to deconstruct the program a little bit in my mind
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  Speaker 2: in a way that I maybe didn't anticipate I was.
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  Speaker 1: Going to or have to because.
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  Speaker 2: The continuation of the legacy with Morgan Scali stepping into
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  Speaker 2: a role he's been groomed for and prepared for for
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  Speaker 2: a decade plus. I was like, yeah, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: look more the same than different. And I think it does,
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  Speaker 2: to some extent, look more the same and different, but
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  Speaker 2: also not.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And even if it's just a continuation of the final
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  Speaker 2: year where there was the final year of Witt's tenure,
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  Speaker 2: where it was like, all right, you know what? Say
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  Speaker 2: everything you want to say. about the track record with
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinators. And maybe, maybe you're a firm believer that
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  Speaker 2: there was meddling with the offensive coordinators and limiting and
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  Speaker 2: hampering and handcuffing those people, whether you believe that or not,
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  Speaker 2: the results were different last year and offensively you were
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  Speaker 2: potent enough. Now there was a couple of games, right?
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  Speaker 2: And we know the games we're talking about. There was
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  Speaker 2: just a couple of games where different decisions needed to
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  Speaker 2: be made, but those decisions weren't made by the offensive coordinator, right?
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  Speaker 2: So it was like the offense, I guess you could
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  Speaker 2: extend blame and say red zone offense should be good enough.
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  Speaker 2: Play calling should be good enough that you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to settle for field goals.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: You had a top four offense in the country last year.
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  Speaker 2: And again, different bodies, different faces, different names, slightly different philosophy,
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  Speaker 2: but are we ready to say that there's an acknowledgement
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  Speaker 2: that there's a, uh, a change of philosophy at the
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  Speaker 2: top of this program that like, Hey, yeah, defense is wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: And defense should be like the cinder blocks in the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the post and the framing and maybe even the brickwork
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  Speaker 2: on the outside. But If you want to win at
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  Speaker 2: the top level of college football now, you also have
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  Speaker 2: to make your offensive potency just as much of the
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  Speaker 2: core identity for Utah football as the defensive potency or
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  Speaker 2: the defensive stoutness or whatever you think the best adjective
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  Speaker 2: is on that front.
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  Speaker 1: Many, many, many, many years of Utah football....
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  Speaker 2: We watched it and we would say the best player
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  Speaker 2: on this year's team is fill in the defensive player blank, right?
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  Speaker 2: This year, that is not the case. You got a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of really good players on your defense. Rabbit Evans
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  Speaker 2: is one of the highest graded safeties in the country
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  Speaker 2: right now. And we've sort of let that happen quietly.
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  Speaker 2: Nate Ritchie is playing better football than any of us
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  Speaker 2: expected him to. He's going to be in the all
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  Speaker 2: conference conversation. Trey Reynolds overtook John Newhall as your best linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't anticipate that that was going to happen. Elijah
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  Speaker 2: Ellis might be your second best linebacker on this team
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  Speaker 2: right now. Jai Ma has given us flashes that he
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  Speaker 2: could be the next version of a Steve Fafita type player,
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  Speaker 2: but he's not quite there yet. Same thing with Carson Kalfusi.
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  Speaker 2: And those guys, of course, are trying to catch up.
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  Speaker 2: They're standing on the shoulders of some real literal giants
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  Speaker 2: when we're talking about the great defensive tackles that have
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  Speaker 2: come through this program.
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  Speaker 1: But there's been so many years.
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  Speaker 2: Where it's just kind of like a foregone conclusion where
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  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, the best overall player on the team
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  Speaker 2: is Nate Orchard or Devin Lloyd or Cole Bishop or
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Johnson or whatever you want to say. Last year
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  Speaker 2: was an offensive player. This year it's an offensive player.
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  Speaker 2: And there have been years, right? Alex Smith was the
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  Speaker 2: best player overall on the Fiesta Bowl team.
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  Speaker 1: He was a Heisman Trophy finalist. He should have won
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  Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy.
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  Speaker 2: If you really compare Matt Leinart and what Matt Leinart
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  Speaker 2: did that year to what Alex Smith did that year,
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  Speaker 2: that's a hill I would be happy to die on.
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  Speaker 1: Alex should have won that year.
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  Speaker 2: If Alex Smith had been surrounded by USC's talent, his
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  Speaker 2: numbers would have been far and away better than Matt
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  Speaker 2: liners numbers. However, we don't need to go back and
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  Speaker 2: re-adjudicate something that happened 22 years ago now.
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  Speaker 1: And I look, I'm jumping the gun certainly. But when you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at what Utah football has, has built its identity
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  Speaker 2: around is one of the more important things that can
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  Speaker 2: happen here. A shift from perhaps excessive reliance on defense
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  Speaker 2: to balance. Because you can't get away from the defense.
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  Speaker 2: You can't ignore the defense. You can't underemphasize defense. You
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  Speaker 2: can't pretend that, oh, yeah, we're going to be just
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  Speaker 2: fine if we don't have great defensive players. Look at
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  Speaker 2: all of the great teams in college football right now.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State looks really, really good. Ohio State's best player.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe the best overall player in college football right
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  Speaker 2: now is a wide receiver. But if you go and
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  Speaker 2: you look at their defense, Ohio state's defense has six
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  Speaker 2: NFL draft picks on it. And probably 11 guys who
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  Speaker 2: are at least going to get their cup of coffee
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  Speaker 2: at that level.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Defense has been the Buckeyes identity since I think after
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  Speaker 6: that Rose bowl year, when they, when they beat Utah, it's,
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  Speaker 6: it's been, and that's when they hired Jim Knowles, if
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  Speaker 6: I'm not mistaken. And now It's Matt Patricia taking over.
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  Speaker 6: Jeremiah Smith has probably been the best player on the
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  Speaker 6: team the last couple of years, but Caleb Downs was
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  Speaker 6: arguably the best player on that team those couple of years, too.
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  Speaker 6: This year, it's certainly Jeremiah Smith, but you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 6: The defense is what makes the Buckeyes great, and that's
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  Speaker 6: what we've talked about with Utah over the years. Defense
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  Speaker 6: is what made them great, and then if you have
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  Speaker 6: any kind of offense and that could make your team,
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  Speaker 6: the Utes team truly special.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And it does feel like that might be shifting a
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  Speaker 6: little bit. I think I'm with you.
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 1: .
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  Speaker 2: a lack of quarterback play or some deficiencies
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  Speaker 2: on offense. We know what that looks like. That is
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  Speaker 2: an eight win nine win team. That's still a really
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  Speaker 2: good season. I'm not going to sit here and tell
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  Speaker 2: you that's not worthy of your season ticket money.
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  Speaker 1: That's not worthy of your merchandise purchases. But expectations, right?
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  Speaker 2: The bar gets raised progressively when you have these great years.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're going to one-up an 11-win season like
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  Speaker 2: you had last year, you're going to have to do
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  Speaker 2: it by pushing beyond what you did last year. And
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have to do that with, well, if
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  Speaker 2: you go back and you relitigate last year, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to do that with better decision-making in a
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  Speaker 2: rivalry game and then better tactics.
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  Speaker 1: In a Texas tech game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not getting, not getting too fatigued.
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  Speaker 6: That was the reasoning we heard what happened at the
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  Speaker 6: end of the third quarter into the fourth quarter is
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  Speaker 6: that defense is just too tired. Well, then don't be,
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  Speaker 6: don't be tired. Like you gotta, your conditioning's gotta be better.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, a brief aside here.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot stand the fact that Will Hammond has come
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  Speaker 2: back down to earth and is showing what he really
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  Speaker 2: is as a quarterback and that his best moment of,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it's going to go down as the best moment in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: his college football career. We're going to have to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that. And it'll be only the real ones know
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  Speaker 2: that he made you believe if you were sitting at
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Rice Echo Stadium last year, he made you believe like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, their backup might be better than their starter.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: He wasn't.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And they knew that, and that's why they tried to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: bring in Sorsby, and that didn't work out, and that's
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: ultimately perhaps going to be the vulnerability of Texas Tech,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: even though their schedule is relatively soft this year.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But I digress. That's not important. I'm looking at the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: top-ranked teams in the land right now.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Look, by the way, your rival BYU, BYU is doing
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: this exact thing right now.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: The best version of BYU football forever... has been all BYU.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: It's offense BYU. It's all about quarterback, play your quarterback,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: play passing game. They've had some really phenomenal running backs.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Also.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: They've had some great offensive lineman. They've had a couple
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: of great defensive lineman, but they've had great offensive lineman.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking about overall program identity. I'm not talking
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: about year by year by year, right? BYU has been
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: thought of for, for decades. as if they're going to excel,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: they're going to excel on the offensive side of the ball,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: whether that's fair or accurate or not. That is the
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: snapshot mental picture of BYU football. And the best version
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of BYU football that we're getting right now is built
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: around what is look, bear Bachmeier is awesome.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: That three, the fact that he had over 300 yards
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: in a game when they didn't have their best player
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: and he had to step up against Iowa state, like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: It didn't look exactly pretty the whole time, but you
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: look at the statue, you went, okay, this guy is
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: capable of carrying the team when he needs to.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He's that good. They had, look, they had Taysom Hill.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Really good. They had They've had, they had a bunch
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of really good quarterbacks before taste them.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Like you probably have to go back to max hall
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: to where you like, that's a really good quarterback.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Max hall was awesome in college. Beck was awesome in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: college back before that. And then on and on before.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: That, they had a bunch, they, they, you know, they,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: there were years where you had like Cody Hoffman and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you had Austin Colley and you had a bunch of
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: these great offensive players.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: And it's not like they don't have those guys this year. right?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But what you saw from BYU in these last couple
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of seasons was Jay Hill's presence and Jay Hill's arrival
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and Kalani Satake getting his coaching.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Staff, right?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And the identity, the identity of BYU shifting, not to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: just being fully defensive, but to being about more of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a balanced thing. And of course that leads to greater success.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And that's again, don't think of it as a pendulum swinging.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Just think of it as like your pie chart or
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: your bar graph, not being all one color anymore.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Not being like, Oh, Utah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: If, if.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Offense is white and defense is red. You looked like
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Pac-Man for a long time, big old red Pac-Man, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: there's this little sliver of offense and it was just.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Defense, defense, defense, defense.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And now you're getting a lot more balance here and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the offense and the play calling and the talent, the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: distribution of talent and best players across.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Like, can you think of.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: How many times I sat in a chair or bill
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Riley sat in a chair or Spence check. It sat
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: in a chair or Tom Hackett sat in this chair
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: or Brian Swinney sat in the chair or Kyle Gunther
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: sat in a chair.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And said, you know what?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: This defense is going to be amazing, but who is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: going to catch the passes? Who's going to score touchdowns,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: going to throw the ball. Who's going to be like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: can this quarterback pass? You know, your running back's going
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to be good.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And now you're looking at a identity shift, not change, not,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: not flip, but it's like a glow up from a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: balance standpoint that is sorely sorely solely dependent for Utah
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: football on an offensive increase. And for BYU football, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: taken a defensive increase to get them to where they
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: need to be. And you look at Think of the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: teams that are at the top of the country right now, Georgia,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Miami, Ohio state, Indiana, Alabama, Texas, BYU is
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: there now.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Ole miss Texas tech.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Well, Texas tech might still be the outlier because Texas
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: tech is a defensive program.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: And we just, we just talked about the quarterback play
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: has been disappointing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I, It's really, it's been fun to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: see some of this for the local teams and the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: teams in the big 12 that you, that you pay
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: attention to.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: You watch a little bit.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Because I, I am, I have always been defense wins
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: championships over index on your defense, get your best recruits
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: on defense. When NIL came into play, pay those guys pay.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Pay a quarterback, but you better have corners. You better
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: have pass rushers. You better have a good linebacker too.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And that is always going to be the case, but man,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I dare I say maybe the best version of, of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: a college football team. Now is you have a star
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback and you have a bunch of guys on defense
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: that are like really good, but you don't have to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: know their names. You don't have to talk about them
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: in the highlight package every Saturday, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: zero 700.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: If you want to weigh in, it's been an interesting time.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Clint says the Cougars have been built since the defensive
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: side of the ball since Jay Hill got there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we just said.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You go back in the annals of BYU Cougar history,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: even when Bronco Mendenhall... who is a great defensive mind
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and is a great defensive coach. Bronco Mendenhall was still
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: breaking BYU while he had awesome defensive players and had
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: some really potent defenses. He was still breaking BYU out
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of this. Like our quarterback has to be the driving
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: force behind everything we do. And by the way, he
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: had some really rough years when it came to quarterback
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: evaluation and putting his team in the best situation with
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback play. Maybe that's just a defensive coach's thing. All right,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: we're going to stay on clock today. We're going to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: stay on time because we've got Devin Dampier joining us
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: live next. Edition with Dev, a Wednesday edition. Ashley West,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Utah volleyball player at noon.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: We're rolling. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and 92.1 FM. It's time to.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Talk to Utah quarterback Devin Dampier. This is Dishing with
• 27:24
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• 27:35
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• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Welcome in QB number one at the University of Utah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Devin Dampier, signal caller leader for a 5-0 Utah football team.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Dev, welcome to the show once again. How are you?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Man, doing good, doing good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: How does it feel to be 5-0?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: You know, I would say it feels just about right, honestly.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: It's confidence I got in my team. You know, this
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: is a position where we've talked about being at and,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you know, we're just going week by week and, you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: we're doing what we.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Said we would do.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: We'll look back at Kansas a little bit, look forward
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to Colorado here in just a second. But did the,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: did the Jayhawks surprise you at all?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Speaker 4 0 No, I thought the Jayhawks were a
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: pretty good team when we went in there. I mean,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they competed pretty well with even their two losses before us,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you know, they, they competed pretty well with them also. So,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I knew it was going to be a
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: game and just have, you know, ended up turning out.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Speaker 1 0 You finished the game 23 of 30,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: 238 yards, three touchdowns and an interception. I wanted to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: talk to you about the efficiency of this offense, especially
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: in first possessions of the game.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware of this.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You all have scored a touchdown on all five of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: your opening possessions. As a team, you've only trailed, I think,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: for four and a half minutes, and that's because somebody
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: else got the ball first. When we're talking about that,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a hot start and starting off the right way with
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: a scoring drive and a touchdown scoring drive, not just
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a field goal. What kind of tone does that set
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: for all of you in knowing that your preparation was,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was done the right way and knowing that the game's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: going to go fine?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Speaker 4 05, 06, 07, 08.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, I, and you know, that's something that
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't get talked about a lot, but yeah, I do
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: love the way we start on both sides of the ball.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: You know, normally when defense goes out there first, they
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: normally get us a good position where maybe we're starting
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: at the 35. So, I mean, they shorten the distance
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: for us to have to march down there. And just
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: as offense, you know, we take it a little bit
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: personal when a team feels good about giving us the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: ball first. You know, a lot of teams do that.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: So their defense gets out there and gets a stop.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: But we definitely take it personal. I'm like, all right, better.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: You want our offense out there first, we're going to
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: make you pay for it. And that's just the mentality.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I like that that's the mentality because. That's not why
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: they're doing it. They're doing it so they can get
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the first possession of the second half, but you guys
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: turn it into motivation.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: So tell me what you saw from Ricky Johnson. He
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: went in practice and in the game this week to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: where you felt like maybe this was going to be
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: his breakout day.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And it was five catches, 104 yards and a touchdown.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Ricky's been grooving himself for a long
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: time now. I'm pretty sure there's an interview of me
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: saying Ricky was someone that I thought was impressive in
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the spring and fall, and so did Scali. He brought
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: him up in the fall. Also, just some players that
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: were going to end up emerging at some point this year.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just happy to see, you know, Rick. Rick's been
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: working to have those opportunities, and, I mean, he made
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the most of every single ball that came his way.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: The only one he didn't catch is him– going for
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: getting the PI call. So just when the ball goes
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: his way, you know, he's, he's doing a pretty good
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: job with making the most out of his opportunities.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And they were like, oh,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: we just talked to Ricky Johnson.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And Morgan was like, did he say anything? Cause he's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a quiet kid.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So, so Rick, he didn't seem like he was a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: quiet kid when they were doing the interview with him.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But then Morgan was like, yeah, he never says anything.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So Ricky, Ricky's like the ultimate, like dude,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: you can't get the talk unless like he feels ultimately comfortable.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Like he's I've never, I've never heard Ricky talk before
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: we went to our Arizona trip. Like I probably heard
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Ricky say 10 words the whole entire spring. And then
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: that summer when like, we, you know, we kind of
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: forced him to be with all of us Seven days straight. And,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you know, by day two, like, Ricky was starting conversations.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: It was funny to see, like, him open up. So
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I think I've built that comfortableness with him where, you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: he talks to me. We've been playing Fortnite now. I've
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: been getting on the game with him. But, yeah, Ricky's
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: a character, bro.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I love him.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Got a lot of talent in that wide receiver room.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: As we have talked about a lot, Ricky with five
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: catches BP with seven for 72 Creed, Whittemore got involved.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You got the ball to Noah, Benny Daniel Bray, but
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the one that really got the fan base going was
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a one yard pass to semi semi tell long on that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that option play. You pull the ball and you throw
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the touchdown pass. And it was like, I mean, that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was a crucial, crucial moment in the game. Kansas, to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: their credit, had made it a game, and you guys
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: needed to score there, and you needed to convert on
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: fourth down. And the play call gives you the option
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: to throw to big number 99.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you saw. Tell me about the read and,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: of course, the result. Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Man, there's a point where I handed off to me–
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: a run play and he went for a yard and
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the crowd got real loud. So when we got to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that fourth down and I knew send me at a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: chance to get in the ball, I was like, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: kind of already knew, like I, I seen him already
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: score it in my head. Like, oh, the crowd, let
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the crowd up and see, send me score a touchdown. But, um, Matt, Maggie,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: he talked to us after he was like, You know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: four down, me calling that. He said it with confidence
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: to the coaches, like, yeah, let's run that. And then
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: after he put the mic down, he was like, all right.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: So he told us after the game, it was hilarious.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: We all laughed, and then the offense would beat it. But, yeah, no,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: perfect call, honestly. being so close in there, you know, they,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: they sleep on those guys being able to catch the ball.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: So it all worked out.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: .
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: .
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: .
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Wade's
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: been playing tremendous. It's so stuffed on. You know, there's
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, a lot of good plays where
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the whole line makes holes for him, and there's also
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: plays where Wade's getting touched minus one and somehow turn
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: it into an AR game. And I'm like, I've been
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: telling him, just keep that up, bro. We, we need it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: We're feeding off of it. So, and that's, that's exactly
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: how semi you had opened. I mean, Wade's playing his
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: heart out. Those guys respect him running the ball. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: he just opened up the office for other people as well.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, if you had given it, he would've
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: got in the bill Riley.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Bill Riley on the radio call actually thought you had
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: given it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: He called it a touchdown for a way shot and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: had to go back and the backtrack and correct himself.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And everyone was happy to see semi, but as long
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: as we're talking about way, Sean, there's a, there's a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: scenario in this game where your defense gets a much
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: needed stop and it's still close. And the outcome is
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: at least on some level, still up in doubt. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: now you are all you're backed up against your own
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: end zone. You're, you know, you're standing in the North
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: end zone when you're taking these snaps or when you're
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: dropping back. what are your thoughts and what is the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: conversation like with your teammates when you're backed up and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you got to go 99 yards to get the score?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Of course, it only took a few plays. We'll get
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to that here in a second. But when you're going
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: out there and your defense has got you that stop
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and stole some of the momentum back, what were you thinking?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just brought together the offense, and,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you know, this is our time to shine. This is when,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: you know, this is when pressure hits us as offense, and,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you know, what are we going to do about it?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: We've been in this situation before, you know, Coach Cowley,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: puts us in a lot of situational drill throughout the year. And,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: you know, we've done backed up period so many times and,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: you know, we're able to get out of those on
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: our defense. So just the confidence we've built, we're just like, Hey,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: this is, this is another, another time to be the
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: most efficient we can. And I thought, you know, we
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: did pretty well getting out of there.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Speaker 2, you got, you got the pass to the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: BP for, you know, kind of get you out of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the shadow of the end zone, right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: To give you a little bit of breathing room.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And then way Sean Parker takes it 90 yards, which
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it was good to see him get that one back
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: because a couple of weeks ago he had one that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: was called back on a penalty. So big long run
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: from that wildcat formation for way Sean Parker.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't, were you on the field?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Were you, were you out at like motioned out as
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a wide receiver or were you on the sideline?
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, I was that receiver at that point.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Now, when you're standing out there as a wide receiver
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and you're watching that go, tell.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Me how it is.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: In my head, I'm just always like, well, he's going
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: to get it. So I'm just like, I'm just like that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: But then I low-key seen him, like, I can tell
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: when Wade, like, sees a crease. There's like a He's
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: got like a movement. I've just, I've been able to
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: like tell where you can see a crease and he
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: stuck it and just hit it. And I was like, Oh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: he might be gone. And sure enough, that boy was gone.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, I'll tell you it's there's no guarantee
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: in today's like era of college football that even when
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you get to that second level, no contact when you
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: got 90 yards to go, some of these DBS are
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: really fast.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And way. Sean's not like a long strider.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: He's not a guy that we think of as like
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the biggest breakout speed, but you know, he, he took
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: all the bad weight off himself in the off season.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: No one was going to catch him.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And again, that's not like a foregone conclusion in college
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: football because how fast some of these corners are, nobody
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: was touching him.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, the fact wave probably weighs 25, 30 pounds
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: more than the corners and running at the same speed
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: or even faster. I think he had 23 miles an hour.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: That's where they clock.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Them at 23. Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: He was five and like, like two 10 or whatever
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: he is. That's a, that's the kind of stuff. That's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the tape that NFL coaches and NFL scouts are going
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, let me get that guy.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 7th, what's funny is that was the first
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: time he hit that high of a number. So now
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Scali's like, all right, so now we know what your
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: 90% is every week when you got to hit the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: top three. So that has gone up.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Speaker 2 7th, that's amazing. He just hurt himself in
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: practice by going. Oh, Devin, Deb peers, our guests here
• 38:45
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• 38:47
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• 38:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I got to do this to you. A
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: couple of turnovers in this game. Tell me what happened
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: on both of those plays.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Speaker 4 05, 06, 07, 08, 07, 08, 09, 010, 011, 012, 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 022, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 028, 029, 030, 031, 032, 033, 033, 034, 035, 036, 036, 037, 037, 038, 039, 040, 040, 041, 044, 044, 045, 046.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: 047, 049, 049, 050, 050, 050, 050, 050, 050, 0
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: back there being able to recover. So just pocket movement
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: definitely could have helped the first turnover. And yeah, I mean,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: just the second turnover, me and BP were just on
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: different terms. He thought I was throwing him farther than
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I was. And yeah, it just, it happens. You get
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: to game five, you know, I think that was the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: first interception where, you know, I kind of threw one
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: just a not being pressured or anything. So, I mean, it, it,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: it comes with the game, but you know, I think
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the biggest part that I took away from that is
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: just how we responded, honestly, you know, gate, everything's not
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: going to be perfect, but the way you respond definitely
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: matters to me and my team. And you know, I
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: think we take full advantage of that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: we've talked
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit about your process of, of making sure
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you put the bad stuff out of your mind. And
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: there are going to be broken plays like that. There
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: are going to be errant throws. There are going to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: be fumbles from you or whoever else, like you have
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to overcome those things in football. There is no such
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: thing as perfection in this game. In that particular case, right?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Do you go and you talk to BP and say, Hey,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that's not what I was doing. We got the wrong
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: read on each other. Do you go and take that
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: moment you've described by yourself and just like flush it?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: In the actual game against Kansas. How did you move
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: on from that? That's wrong.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I don't really stress too much.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I do get a little quieter than I want to
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: be at times when things go bad just because I
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: need to breathe. I need to just reset my system.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: That's how I've always got through things is just breathe,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: calm down, get my heart rate back down low. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: that's a little bit of how I get, but still
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: learning how to be a leader at the same time,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: still encouraging my team, let them know, you know, I'm
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: not quiet because I'm down on myself. I'm I'm quiet
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: because I'm, I'm calming myself down. Cause you know, there's
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: no need to panic mode.
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: Speaker 1 0 to me when I'm watching, uh, the, the,
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: the running version of Devin Dampier this year looks healthier.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Looks like, you know, your body moves twitchier than it
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: did last year for obvious reasons, because you were, you
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: were at this point in the season, if I'm not mistaken,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: you were already dealing with some stuff last year when
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you watch yourself running or when you're evaluating your tape,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: 17 carries 71 yards and a touchdown in this game.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Uh, How are you evaluating yourself? What do you want
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to see more of?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: What are you satisfied with, et cetera, when it comes
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to you running the ball, carrying the football?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think, you know, the mindset of the way
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Maggie just calls offense and things like that is anytime
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I'm running the ball, there's, there's always an option to
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: pass the ball. So, you know, I'm always trying to,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Just take whatever is the best opportunity, honestly. Whatever is
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: going to move the change, what I feel confident in,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: that's the decision I make. The run game isn't as
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: heavy as it was last year on me. It's kind
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: of up to me if I choose to end up
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: running in those gaps or not, but... Honestly, I've been
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: pretty fine with the amount of hits I feel like
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I've been taking. I feel like I've been taking the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: safer route on getting hit this year just to prevent
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the injury of sides of things because that contains a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: lot of experience from last year. Just playing and running
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: the ball on the safer side. Also, I mean, Waysan,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I got unbelievable faith in him that he's going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: go make some out of nothing. I have full intentions
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of giving the ball, whatever I can to the way.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about this also, like you're a football player. Ultimately,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: you don't shy away from contact. You don't mind contact.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: You're physically strong. So was that process of, of learning
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to take the safer route? Was that a natural thing
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: for you? How, how much effort went into that?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I would say the injury probably did that to me.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: It's one of those things where you test the limits
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: of something until it goes the other way. I think
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: that was the most severe injury I've ever had in
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: my career. So just having that, it definitely shifts in
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: my mindset where this is past spring and fall. We're
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: practicing diving. diving instead of sliding, especially with the, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: concussion things that goes on from QB sliding. We just
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: practice diving instead.
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: Taking a hit, just being more, not, not going full
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: head on with the head, you know, just learning to
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: brace the head, fall away from where you get hit
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: from this small, this small things like that, that can
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: definitely help the fall in the head.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Devin Dampier, starting quarterback at the University of Utah, is
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: our guest. Dishing with Deb, brought to you by Culligan
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Water of Salt Lake City, America First Credit Union, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Valley Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. All right, so now it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: another road trip. Crazy, you're getting into the midpoint of
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the season. This is only the second road game. You
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: got to go on the road to Boulder. This is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a Colorado team game. that has a lot of things
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: to figure out right now. There's a couple of familiar
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: faces on that side that we'll get to here in
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: just a second. But what are your initial thoughts on
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: this Colorado Buffaloes team, given the tape you've seen?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've been competing in their games pretty well.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, they have times where, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: the game starts to get the best of them at times.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: But I mean, they just came off a bye week.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's They got kind of rid
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: of a couple of players on their team and you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: they're trying to make that shift so they can be
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: the most prepared going into the rest of the season.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: So I'm expecting, you know, a good opponent to come
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: out there. And yeah, we got to put our best
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: foot forward when we go against them.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, former Ute, Isaac Wilson has been given
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the start opposite you.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: He'll be the opposing quarterback.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: And in the modern era of college football, this is
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: a much more normal thing where you play against a
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: former teammate, you know, maybe every dang week in this conference.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Also Stokes is over there. What does that do? Does
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that change anything? How do you react to that?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that really changed, changed too much. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: honestly think it's just, it kind of just, we respect
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: those guys. We love those guys. You know, football, after
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you've been around somebody for so long, you know, you just,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: you do genuinely care for them. But, man, football is football,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you know, and they know that as well. You know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: when the time comes, we strap those helmets on. You know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: it's all about what happens on that field. And then,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: you know, afterwards, we'll definitely show our love to each
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: other and, you know, go on.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Does Deion Sanders being the head coach change the vibe
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Because, I mean, he's.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest defensive backs of all time. He's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest overall NFL football players of all time.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: He's an icon, and he's the competition, and obviously you
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: don't have a ton of interaction with an opposing head coach,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: but does it change anything at all for you or
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: any player on this team?
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, we.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: we, we respect, you know, anyone that's able to earn
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: a head coach job in college football. Um, you know, you,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: you gain a kind of a lot of respect to
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: be in that position and, uh, do what you do. So,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: you know, we, I think we treat everybody, you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: pretty equal. Um, I think he's got an amazing career
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: in NFL though, no doubt. Uh, definitely respected in that area,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: but just as a head coach wise, you know, we,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: we respect everybody we go against. Um, It's hard to
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: have a job in college football. So if you have one,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: you know, there's definitely respect towards your name.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: We didn't talk about this yet against Kansas. The kickoff
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: time got moved up, which was very weird. I mean,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: from the fan, even from like, just, I'm going to
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: go to the game perspective. It was strange because you have,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, your, your routine already pictured in your mind that,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: And again, not as a player, just as a person, like,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to take the kids to do this.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And then I'm going to put them to bed and
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: then I'm going to get to the game and it'll
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: be perfect timing. And then you get a text or
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a tweet and it's like, Nope, moving this thing up
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to avoid the bad weather.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: What did that do to you guys?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Because obviously it's scheduled out a lot more carefully for
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: players than it is for fans. And you got late
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: notice that this kickoff was being pushed up.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: How was it handled?
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I think it was honestly fine. You know, it ain't
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: the team. It's a late starter. I won't say it's not,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: but for it to get moved up to sixes, it's like, okay, bad.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: We just, for us, it just became, we had less
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: time at the hotel of off time. That's really all
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: that kind of broke down. We had, we had like
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: about two hours of off time at the hotel instead
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: of we would have had four if it was at eight.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm not, not too different with that timing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, I was a skeptic.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I'm, I'm superstitious. So I was like, I don't know
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: about a whiteout.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: In a night game and ultimately looked great.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You guys look great.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: The whole team played great. You got the wind. That's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: all that really matters. What'd you make of the whiteout?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: First one at rice echo stadium at night.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was excited when they got presented and especially
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: seeing the helmets, like, like a whole, like two months ago,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: it was like, and then, you know, Scali asked for
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: some of our preferences on what we had changed and stuff.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: And I felt like, you know, as guys, we were
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: able to make the helmet just slightly better. And it
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: was already, it was already tough, but. Tell me the changes.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Tell me the artistic changes. our expression of Devin Dampier. What, what,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: what made that helmet better? What did you bring in that,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that maybe we would not have seen if it weren't
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: for your opinions?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I think the, the original, the original, the helmet was
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit more gray. So it, it stood out
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: from the white. So we wanted it to flow better
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: with all white uniforms. So we, we had them lightened
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: lighten the gray of the, which was like the main
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: color of the helmet was kind of grayish.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: So we just, we kind of made that the white
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: and then made everything else the gray to pop out
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But the red, the red U
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: was on there already. Um, there's a couple, I think
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: there was some on the back that we took off
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: maybe just to add more snow, the snow falling on
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: the helmet. But yeah, it was, it was already kind
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: of there. We just, we just, a little dab in it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, they looked great. Now somebody texted this.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: We were, we were talking about this, I think on Monday,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: do you get to, if, if Devin Dampier wants to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: keep his hand painted, you know, special edition helmet, do
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: you get to keep that and put it in the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: home office?
• 51:10
  Speaker 11: Speaker 4 05.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: 06, 07, 08, 09, 010 for the previous years, the
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: players have had the, we've had the biome if we want,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: if we want the helmets or not. But I mean, they're,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: they're at a pretty affordable price for us to be
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: able to get them. So I think, I think this
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: might be the helmet I do buy the first light out.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Definitely is going to have to happen. All right.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: You already had that plan for like, where are you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: going to like keep all this stuff? Do you already
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: have a spot in the house where you keep your memorabilia?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: You're just at the beginning of this whole journey where,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: you know, you're going to have NFL jerseys and all
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that stuff to worry about.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: But do you, do you already know what that looks
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like in your mind?
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: You know, I got an idea. You know, it's hard
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: to exactly make one of those right now when you're, like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: living in it, if that makes sense.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Like, when I get the helmet, I'm going to be like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I just wore it. So, like, it isn't going to be, like,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: that cool yet. But then, like, yeah, when I get,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know, second, third year in my NFL career,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: then it's going to be like, when I see the
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: helmet and I walk back to my house, it's going
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: to be like, yeah, that was tough.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, when you get it, bring it into
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the studio with you next time. We'll keep it for you.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: No problem.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: We'll put it back in behind me on the, on
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the YouTube.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Perfect.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Deb, good luck. Stay healthy in Colorado. Thanks for joining us.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I know the schedule gets a little bit crazy sometimes,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and we appreciate you making time and.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: You know it. Appreciate you.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: That is Devin Dampier.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Edition with Dev is brought to you by Culligan Water
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City, America First Credit Union, and Valley Plumbing, Heating,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and Cooling.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: You just can't help but love the guy. Great player.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Awesome dude.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And apparently, he's got a nice aesthetic sense that maybe
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: saved us from gray helmets and got your white-out helmets
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: to be truly white. This year with Deb, that conversation
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: will be available on the ESPN 700 Sports app and
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: on the ESPN700Sports. com website. All right, Ashley West, Utah volleyball hitter,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: is going to join us next. Utah Volleyball is hosting
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: BYU tomorrow night at the Huntsman Center. It's a red
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: out where red packed the Huntsman. It is a rivalry match.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: This is a really interesting, really fascinating matchup in Big
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: 12 Volleyball that has some national implications as well. We'll
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: talk about all of it with Ashley West when we
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: come back on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 53:41
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• 53:47
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• 53:50
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• 54:00
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  Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in from your Utah
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  Speaker 2: volleyball team, Ashley West, uh, outside hitter and oppo hitter.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that with her. Ashley, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for having me on. I'm
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  Speaker 3: super excited.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us here for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: BYU tomorrow night at the Huntsman center at seven read out.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody get there.
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  Speaker 2: Utah tickets.com slash volleyball. Get the tickets. They're running specials
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  Speaker 2: Make some noise as Utah hosts BYU. And Ashley, obviously
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  Speaker 2: this is a big one. This is a nationally ranked
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  Speaker 2: BYU team. You guys are right up there in that
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  Speaker 2: conversation as well. And you don't tell me what the
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  Speaker 2: expectation is. Tell me what your thoughts are heading into
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  Speaker 2: this match.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, we're excited, you know, it's easy to get
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  Speaker 12: fired up for this game. We play them year round
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  Speaker 12: in the spring, but for sure, now that we're back
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  Speaker 12: in the same conference, it's just, it's really easy to get,
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  Speaker 12: like I said, fired up to play them. They're playing
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  Speaker 12: some really good volleyball right now, but I mean, so
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  Speaker 12: are we. So I'm just excited to get out there
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  Speaker 12: and compete. You know, we've got a lot of key
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  Speaker 12: components this year. And yeah, I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 12: just get to that first whistle and just let it roll.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we're excited.
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  Speaker 12: We're really excited to have them at home first and
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  Speaker 12: then we'll go down there in a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 12: but to get them in the Huntsman center first in
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  Speaker 12: front of our home crowd last year, we set an
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  Speaker 12: attendance record.
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  Speaker 3: So we'd like to do that again.
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  Speaker 12: And yeah, just, I guess beat them on our own
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  Speaker 12: court first.
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  Speaker 2: What are they best at? What's, what's the biggest threat
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  Speaker 2: from this BYU team right now?
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  Speaker 3: They're pretty good offensively.
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  Speaker 12: They've got a lot of powerhouse attackers who swing with
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  Speaker 12: a lot of pace and who are very physical.
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  Speaker 3: They move the ball around.
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  Speaker 12: So it'll be good for us, for our eyes defensively
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  Speaker 12: to face attackers who see the ball, see the court,
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  Speaker 12: have really good vision, and play volleyball at just a
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  Speaker 12: really high level. So we're anticipating to get into a
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  Speaker 12: lot of long rallies with them. They're good defensively too.
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  Speaker 12: They're a very sound team. It hats off to them
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  Speaker 12: and the training they've been doing in the spring this year.
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  Speaker 12: that they just, they're going to bring their best. And
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  Speaker 12: like I said, their, their attackers just moved the ball
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  Speaker 12: around really well. So we've been talking about this digging in,
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  Speaker 12: in long rallies against them, moving the ball around when
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  Speaker 12: we send it back their way and just competing.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you're an athlete who understands rivalries probably
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  Speaker 2: better than a lot of people. If you don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Ashley's dad, a Colorado Buffalo mom, a Nebraska Cornhusker. So
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  Speaker 2: I imagine that was a conversation at some point during
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  Speaker 2: your childhood. So we'll start there. Like rivalry games. I
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  Speaker 2: love the BYU-Utah rivalry game. It's one of the most
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  Speaker 2: unique in the whole country. I don't know it from
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  Speaker 2: the volleyball perspective, but is that accurate? Were you raised
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  Speaker 2: with a deep understanding of what rivalries in sports are
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  Speaker 2: actually supposed to be?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, the CU Nebraska rivalry ran deep in my family.
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  Speaker 12: My cousin on my mom's side then went to Nebraska
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  Speaker 12: to play football. And the first time I saw my
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  Speaker 12: dad in Nebraska Jersey, I thought like, I thought the
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  Speaker 12: world was ending. I thought the sky was falling, but
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  Speaker 12: he'll tell you that he was just very supporting Kenny.
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  Speaker 12: But yeah, no, I mean, It's just the greatest thing
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  Speaker 12: that comes with college sports. It's so cool to be
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  Speaker 12: a part of a school that has such a big
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  Speaker 12: rivalry and it gets the people going. There's nothing better
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  Speaker 12: than just a good old rivalry game. Being raised in
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  Speaker 12: that kind of environment in my own household and definitely
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  Speaker 12: within my family as well, it's just special. You just
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  Speaker 12: understand a little bit more. And now, now that I've
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  Speaker 12: been at Utah for a while and I've, you know,
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  Speaker 12: spent a lot of time here and this is where
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  Speaker 12: I've kind of planted my roots. I, I kind of
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  Speaker 12: feel that rivalry in my freshman year.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of was like, no, you know, whatever. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Utah BYU.
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  Speaker 12: But now that I've been here for so long and
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  Speaker 12: I have so much pride to be a youth and
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  Speaker 12: I know how much the rivalry means not only to me,
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  Speaker 12: but all the players and coaches who have come through
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  Speaker 12: this program before me, I just can't wait to go
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  Speaker 12: out and represent that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 2: How long did it take? Was it like, your freshman
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  Speaker 2: season that gave you that wake up? Because I don't
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  Speaker 2: expect that someone who's, who's raised out of state understands
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  Speaker 2: like the nuance and the venom and some of the
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  Speaker 2: stuff with this rivalry, but how long does it take
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  Speaker 2: for an out of state player to really absorb it
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  Speaker 2: and start to realize what it means?
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  Speaker 12: I would say pretty quickly. I mean, the upper class
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  Speaker 12: and on my, on my team, my freshman year, they
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  Speaker 12: let me know what kind of monster the rivalry game is.
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  Speaker 12: And that was when we were back in the PAC 12.
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  Speaker 12: So the, we didn't have the in-conference rivalry, you know,
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  Speaker 12: and I feel like that adds a whole nother layer
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  Speaker 12: to it. Cause now we're talking about conference standings. They're
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  Speaker 12: in the running for the top spot in the conference
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  Speaker 12: right now. We are too. And yes, it's early in the.
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  Speaker 3: Conference, but you just, you add the the.
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  Speaker 12: Layer being in the big 12 together and it just
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  Speaker 12: adds so much more but I would say yeah probably
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  Speaker 12: right after that first game my freshman year I was
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  Speaker 12: like okay I get it now I'm locked in we
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  Speaker 12: don't we don't wear blue we don't talk about the
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  Speaker 12: color blue we don't talk about the why any of
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  Speaker 12: that stuff up here so I mean with all due
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  Speaker 12: respect it's fun every single time to them um and
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  Speaker 12: to play against them so yeah I would say probably
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  Speaker 12: right after my freshman year I was like okay I
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  Speaker 12: get it I get it and I'm bought into it
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  Speaker 12: and I love it I.
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  Speaker 2: Want to talk about you individually here on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: You're listed as both outside and oppo hitter. And for
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  Speaker 2: the uninitiated volleyball people, tell me what it means to
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  Speaker 2: have to do both of those at a.
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  Speaker 1: Very high level.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, so I came in, I was recruited as
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  Speaker 12: an outside. I spent my, my, I guess my junior
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  Speaker 12: years playing on the outside, which is the left side
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  Speaker 12: playing six rotations. So I would play in the back
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  Speaker 12: row and pass play server sees play defense. And then
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  Speaker 12: when I got here, my freshman year, it was kind
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  Speaker 12: of just what the team needed at the time was,
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  Speaker 12: was someone on the right, which is essentially, you know,
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  Speaker 12: same position, just opposite side of the court. You definitely
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  Speaker 12: see the court differently and kind of the volume you
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  Speaker 12: carry is a little bit different, but from a hitting perspective, perspective.
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  Speaker 12: It's just see ball, move the ball around and hit
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  Speaker 12: it hard. So it was an easier transition than I
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  Speaker 12: kind of thought it was going to be at first.
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  Speaker 12: And just through my time here at Utah, I've kind
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  Speaker 12: of bounced back and forth. And something that I love about,
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  Speaker 12: about this program is they continue to, to develop us
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  Speaker 12: as players through our time here. So I haven't gone
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  Speaker 12: totally away from the outside. I mean, I'm still training,
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  Speaker 12: passing and defense every single day. That's something coach Alyssa
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  Speaker 12: is very, very, I mean, she just holds a lot
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  Speaker 12: of weight to that is developing her players as, as
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  Speaker 12: all around volleyball players and not just a skill specific athletes.
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  Speaker 12: So right now my role for this year's team and
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  Speaker 12: where I've been training and spending my time is on
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  Speaker 12: the opposite. And I've loved that and I've been having
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  Speaker 12: a ton of fun. But yeah, so I just, we,
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  Speaker 12: they listed both just cause I've kind of been 50
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  Speaker 12: 50 with my time here at Utah and it's been great.
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  Speaker 2: Ashley West is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 2: Utah Volleyball hosting BYU tomorrow night. Get there to the
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  Speaker 2: Huntsman Center for a redout. Tickets are on sale right
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  Speaker 2: now at utahutes.com. Pack this place out as it's a
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  Speaker 2: ranked BYU team coming in to the Huntsman Center. So
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  Speaker 2: back to this matchup and I guess where it falls
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  Speaker 2: in the season.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much momentum is emphasized.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about this with the football game last
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  Speaker 2: week at Bryce Eccles and how there was big momentum
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  Speaker 2: swings in that game. And depending on what athlete you
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  Speaker 2: talk to and what sport, right, there's the momentum in
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  Speaker 2: the moments and in the games and then the momentum
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  Speaker 2: of the season. And you're coming off a couple of
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  Speaker 2: big wins, 3-0 over Kansas State, 3-0 over West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that you guys can carry some of
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  Speaker 2: that momentum in against BYU, or do you have to
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  Speaker 2: take it as its own thing?
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  Speaker 12: I think a little bit of both. I think we
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  Speaker 12: have a lot of momentum just from the past two
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  Speaker 12: games that you just mentioned, but also this season itself
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  Speaker 12: has been kind of, we've been just taking it one
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  Speaker 12: day at a time. And, you know, we've got a
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  Speaker 12: really unique group this year who's very motivated and very hungry.
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  Speaker 12: So I think not only the past few games, but
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  Speaker 12: also just taking a set off of pit and playing
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  Speaker 12: some really high level competition throughout our season so far
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  Speaker 12: with pit being ranked number two in the nation, being
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  Speaker 12: able to take a set off of them was something
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  Speaker 12: we definitely added to our little confidence piggy bank. But yeah,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I think not only the momentum from the
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  Speaker 12: past few games, but also the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 12: we reverse swept them at home last year, the year
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  Speaker 12: prior to that, we swept them at home. So just
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  Speaker 12: kind of knowing what, what we're capable of doing on
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  Speaker 12: our home floor and in front of our own fans and, and, Yeah,
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  Speaker 12: I think just kind of using it all as momentum,
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  Speaker 12: like you said, and just using it as confidence to
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  Speaker 12: fuel ourselves to get ready to go at 7 p.m.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 1: Big picture.
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  Speaker 2: Your volleyball program is in a similar state of what
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  Speaker 2: football was in where, you know, longtime head coach steps
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  Speaker 2: away and new young coach comes in first year, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of steering the ship. Despite having deep awareness of
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  Speaker 2: what this program is, it changes the role. or coach Dorico, what,
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  Speaker 2: what has been the most noticeable change? Has there been
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  Speaker 2: a big shift in any of your preparation schedule?
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  Speaker 1: Is it more of the same or is it more different?
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  Speaker 2: Give me a sense of, of what it's like having
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  Speaker 2: a new head coach at this point in your career.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, there's definitely some differences that, you know, that,
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  Speaker 12: that we saw, but for the most part, I think
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  Speaker 12: the coolest thing that I've been able to notice and
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  Speaker 12: really buy into this season is coach Alyssa has been
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  Speaker 12: always pride of herself on her authenticity and how she
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  Speaker 12: shows up the same every single day. She did that
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  Speaker 12: when she was in the associate head coach role. And
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  Speaker 12: that hasn't changed, even though her title changed. And even
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  Speaker 12: though she stepped into this head coaching position and taken
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  Speaker 12: over this program. So I think that's, That was the
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  Speaker 12: biggest part that I was looking for as the transition happened.
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  Speaker 12: And I mean, she just has stayed true to her
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  Speaker 12: own colors and, and shows up the same and really
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  Speaker 12: just cause she loves us and she loves the sport
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  Speaker 12: and she loves to grow the sport. And I think
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  Speaker 12: that's just one of the biggest lessons that if anything,
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  Speaker 12: she can teach to all of us is that no
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  Speaker 12: matter how, how your day is going or the title
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  Speaker 12: you hold next to your name, just show it for
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  Speaker 12: the people around you. And there's going to be a
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  Speaker 12: lot of reward from that.
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  Speaker 2: We had her on a couple of weeks ago and
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  Speaker 2: she was, she was bragging on you guys and some
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  Speaker 2: of the athletes in that program.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, what's your vertical Ashley?
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  Speaker 12: Oh, I touched 10, five. So I don't know what
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  Speaker 12: she was saying, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think she was saying, I think she was
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  Speaker 1: saying that. So that's 10, five is up there. That's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can you, can you dunk a basketball?
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  Speaker 12: I mean, we haven't tried in a while. I haven't
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  Speaker 12: tried since my surgeries, but I mean, I'd be willing
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  Speaker 12: to try.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I could see. We'll get you a day.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get you like a, we'll get you a mini ball,
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  Speaker 1: make it a little bit easier with a mini ball
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 12: No, I'm getting a basketball in there for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So for, for someone like I gotta make, you gotta
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: make sure you ask these questions the right way, but
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  Speaker 2: like for someone, for someone who has that as part
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  Speaker 2: of their skillset, right? Like that has that elite athleticism,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: that power, the size, right. Uh, how much do you
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  Speaker 2: build your game around it? And how much do you
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  Speaker 2: have to like say, no, I need to like the skill,
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  Speaker 2: the craft has to be a point of emphasis here
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  Speaker 2: because obviously the athleticism is what gets you a scholarship
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  Speaker 2: and carries you to this level. But when you get
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  Speaker 2: to the higher levels of any sport, everybody's an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody can jump. Everybody can play everybody. Everybody's like athletic
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  Speaker 2: to some degree. There's outliers of course, but how much
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  Speaker 2: do you let that still be a driver in your
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  Speaker 2: game versus like, no, that's just a, that's just a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: happy little by-product of me being a great skilled volleyball player.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: That's a good question. I, um, I've actually, um, I'll
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  Speaker 12: just let you in on a little insight. I didn't
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  Speaker 12: originally think I was going to play college volleyball. So
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  Speaker 12: I didn't think I didn't really buy into the sport
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  Speaker 12: for a while until later in my high school career.
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  Speaker 12: So I had a lot of learning of the game
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  Speaker 12: to do once I got to this level. And once
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  Speaker 12: I realized how fast the game moves at this level.
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  Speaker 12: So I spent a lot of time both when I
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  Speaker 12: was healthy and also when I was injured, just learning
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  Speaker 12: the game and seeing the game from different angles, understanding,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 12: you know, how the ball moves and understanding, you know,
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  Speaker 12: what the stat sheet meant and all the things that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: come within it. So I think that my athletic ability,
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  Speaker 12: and I'm very blessed by it, and it's definitely something
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  Speaker 12: that I can kind of fall back to, but something
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  Speaker 12: that I've recently taken a lot of pride in within
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  Speaker 12: my own game is the knowledge of the game that
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  Speaker 12: I've been able.
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  Speaker 1: To grow from.
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  Speaker 12: Over the past couple of years. And that comes from
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: the investment from my coaches as well, was just sitting down,
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  Speaker 12: breaking down film, explaining things over and over again to me,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 12: finding different ways to understand the game, um, has been
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 12: something that I've now been able to take onto the
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  Speaker 12: court now that I'm healthy. Um, so I, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 12: to answer your question, I think understanding the game and, and,
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  Speaker 12: and learning that and understanding that, yes, I am strong
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  Speaker 12: and physical and that is, that's a strength of mine,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 12: but then learning, okay, how can I be crafty? How
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  Speaker 12: can I move the ball around? Maybe like an undersized
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  Speaker 12: pin attacker would, or how can I work my angle
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  Speaker 12: with my platform to not let a deep serve beat me,
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  Speaker 12: even though I am tall in the passing lanes. Um,
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  Speaker 12: so yeah, I think it's a little, it's a, it's
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  Speaker 12: a combo of both. And I think when you get
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  Speaker 12: to this level and like you said, you're surrounded by
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  Speaker 12: a ton of other athletes who are very strong and physical,
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  Speaker 12: and that's a definition of our team this year, for sure. Um,
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  Speaker 12: you've got to learn how to expand your game in
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  Speaker 12: other ways. And for me, that's, that's really in the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 12: film room.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, forgive me for backtracking a little bit here, but
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: why did you not buy into volleyball until later in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: your high school career?
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  Speaker 12: I was stuck to softball. I was raised in a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: competitive household. My parents introduced my sister and I to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 12: all sports at a young age, and for a while there,
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  Speaker 12: I just fell in love with softball.
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  Speaker 3: I was a pitcher.
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  Speaker 12: And a power hitter.
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  Speaker 3: And I just loved it.
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  Speaker 12: And I thought it was so fun. It came super
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: easy to me. I was introduced to a very high
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 12: level of softball at a super young age. So I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: was from Colorado, but playing for a travel ball team
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 12: out of Anaheim, California and loved that and just loved
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: that experience there and got a little bit burnt out
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: summer going into my junior year. And that was when
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: I decided, well, I guess I'm tall. Maybe I could
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 12: put this height towards something else. And kind of just
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 12: fell in love with volleyball that year because it was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 12: so new and it was so fresh and everyone was
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 12: always like high energy in the gym and just I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 12: don't know just everything kind of clicked that summer going
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: into my junior year and ironically that was kind of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 12: when recruiting was happening I the time. So kind of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 12: made a switch transition and probably stressed my parents out
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 12: more than I can even imagine, but it all worked out.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 12: So yeah, softball, that was where my heart was at.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: So your parents and you invested like your entire childhood
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: of time and travel and money and energy and all
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: that stuff into softball.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And then volleyball ended up being the.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 12: Thing for you yeah honestly yeah it's the best way
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 12: to put it and I'm just so grateful that my
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 12: parents were able to support me in both directions that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 12: I wanted to go um and then I mean they
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 12: were my biggest supporters they believed in me like like
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 12: no one else and you know I had a dream
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 12: as a little girl to play college softball and you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 12: know be one of the best pitchers in the nation
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 12: and they let me chase that as far as I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 12: wanted to chase it and the day that I came
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 12: to them I was so scared but the day that
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: I came to them to tell them that maybe this
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 12: isn't where my heart's at and this isn't the love
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: that I have for the game anymore. They were right there,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: big arms, ready to hug me and help me go
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: the next direction. And I was grateful enough and lucky
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 12: enough to be supported by amazing volleyball coaches in Colorado
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 12: who kind of just took me in as this raw,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 12: unexperienced athlete and started to train me. And all of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 12: a sudden I was... you know, getting some looks at
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 12: by other schools and getting recruited to a sport that
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 12: I honestly didn't even know much about. So yeah, that's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 12: kind of why I had to. I was a late
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 12: bloomer to the sport, you could say.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Which of your parents tries to claim more of your athleticism?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Because this is something that happens when both mom and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: dad are athletes.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 12: Oh, I don't know if they're listening or not, but
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: I would say probably my dad. Yeah, I would say
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 12: if you ask him, he's going to take more of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 12: the more of the accountability for that. But I mean,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: they were both such elite athletes, so it's hard to say,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 12: but yeah, I'd say he probably tries to take more
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 12: of it.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. I, I, I've talked about this on my radio
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: show a lot of times. And like, of course, dads
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: are always like, yeah, you get that stuff from me.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: But when you really look at the best athletes in
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the world, sneaky, it's always like, yeah, dad is an athlete,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: but if you're a great athlete, dad, but an unathletic mom,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: You still kind of have a chance, but not really.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: If you're a great athlete dad with a great athlete mom,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: that's when you have the super kids. That's when, you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: that's when you end up being like a D1 type
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: of prospect.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 12: I'll let him know you said that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: My mom will appreciate to hear that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's science as far as I can describe it.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Now that the professional opportunities in women's sports are growing
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: and they're growing pretty rapidly. And we've seen now in volleyball,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: we got a franchise here in Salt Lake. Same thing
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: with softball, with the Talons now playing in Salt Lake City. Obviously,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: the WNBA is having a big moment these last couple
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: of seasons.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: So, you know, this is it's relatively new.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: And I know that there's been volleyball professionalism, you know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: overseas for a long time. Is that something that that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: you see for yourself? Will you try to pursue this professionally?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 12: I think over the past couple of years that now
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 12: that I've kind of, like I said, I've been injured
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 12: while I've been here and I've been able to get
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 12: healthy and I'm kind of seeing the direction that my
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 12: game is going. I, um, it's definitely a dream of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 12: mine and a goal of mine that I, that I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 12: plan to chase when I get done here at Utah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: And then in your bio, it says you also want
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: to get into sports broadcasting.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is true.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 12: I've been grateful enough and blessed to have had a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 12: couple opportunities here to shadow College Game Day and sit
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: in on the broadcast during the volleyball games last season,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 12: do some on-air commentating. And it's just kind of been...
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 12: You know, something that I didn't really know I wanted
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 12: to do coming into college, but once I kind of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 12: was thrown into it and I was just told to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 12: talk about sports and talk to people and do all
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 12: these fun, cool, exciting things, I was like, you know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 12: I could see myself maybe making a career out of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 12: this once I'm done playing volleyball. So that's the challenge
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 12: is in a, in an industry that is very competitive
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 12: and is continuing to expand as sports in the States expanded.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 12: How do I keep my name, you know, out there
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 12: as a broadcaster, but also as an athlete. So trying
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 12: to navigate that and prioritize the right thing at the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: right time, but for sure, something that I do want
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 12: to get to eventually in my life.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and of course, focus on volleyball right now. And you're,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: you're playing career play as long as you can. The
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: this might be a stupid question. Do you, do you
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: want to focus on volleyball? Do you want to focus
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: on women's sports or would you be someone who could
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: see themselves like, you know, commentating on, on NFL games
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: or being a part of the, because the unfortunate reality
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: or just the reality, I don't know if it's unfortunate
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: or not, is that like, that's where the biggest money is.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: That's where the biggest professional opportunities are. Can you see yourself, uh,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: you know, like on college game day at some point?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I for sure can. I, I, that's, that's kind
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: of where my head went immediately when I, when I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 12: realized that this is something that I want to do is,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 12: I mean, I'm competitive. I was raised in a very
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 12: competitive household. And so I want to be on the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 12: biggest stage in front of the biggest crowd and, and,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: you know, carry the biggest load that I can carry.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 12: So I think that's like the competitive side in me,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 12: but if I can also be, you know, a a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: voice and a face in front of a camera for
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 12: the women's, for the women's side of sports and, and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 12: be a part of the expansion of it right now,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 12: I would take huge pride, pride in that. So, you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 12: I think yes, small, short answer is I do want
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 12: to be on NFL game day and college game day
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 12: and maybe the NBA, that would be cool too. But
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 12: I mean, if I can help expand college sports and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 12: get more eyes and more viewers on in a space
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 12: that is already expanding rapidly, I would love to do
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 12: that as well.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the nice thing is it's not one or the other.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: They're not mutually exclusive, right? Not these days. Have you
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: linked up with Holly Roe ever?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 12: Um, briefly, I haven't like sat down, sat down with her,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 12: but briefly we've been able to cross paths when she's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 12: been on campus. Um, ironically enough, she was my old
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 12: head coach. Beth Lanier was her, was Holly Rose first
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: official interview when she graduated after she graduated from the U.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 12: So that was kind of funny when coach Beth told
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 12: me that. And so there's some connection there, but I mean,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 12: I would love to sit down and just pick her
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 12: brain for sure.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: One day.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you'll make that connection at some point
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: because that's a good friend to have in this business,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: and she's kind of the gold standard.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Fun stuff.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for answering all my questions as
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: I pick your brain on everything around volleyball and some volleyball, too.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: And most importantly, good luck.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: We want you to go smash BYU because, obviously, it's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: go Utes all day here on ESPN 700.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Ashley.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you, guys.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Ashley West, outside hitter and oppo hitter for this University
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: of Utah volleyball team. Red out at the Huntsman Center
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night at 7 p.m. BYU is the 14th ranked
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: team in the country. Get there, support your Utes. This
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: is an important thing for the entire athletic department, right? Yes,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: football is the driver. We're going to talk about that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: all the time. We're going to talk about basketball when
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: their season gets rolling. It's a good thing, and I
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: love that Morgan Scali addresses the accomplishments of the other
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: programs in the athletic department at his weekly press conference
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: because you've got a really good volleyball team right now
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah, and they've got a shot
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: at beating BYU on the home floor and getting themselves
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: into that top 25. They're just outside of the top
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: 25 conversation right now. Big thanks to Ashley West for
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: joining us. Lots left to get to here, including the
• 1:16:55
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• 1:16:58
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• 1:17:10
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• 1:17:13
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. It's ESPN 700
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: and 92.1 FM. All right, this is a really interesting
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: thing to come up for the Daily Dump. By the way,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Game 3, NLCS tonight, Dodger Stadium. Brewers have a 2-0 lead.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Coverage starts right here on your home of the MLB
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: playoffs at 5.30.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Shohei Otani will be in the lineup.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: He was apparently adamant that he would not be left out.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: And when you're the best player in baseball, you can
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: influence your manager's decisions in ways that probably a lot
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: of other people can't, even when you're slumping, even when
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: you've been more of a liability than an asset. But
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Shohei Otani will be in the lineup. And I think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: that's ultimately that's the right thing, because if you lose
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: with him in the lineup, no one is going to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: question whether or not he should have been in the lineup.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: If you lose without him in the lineup, then you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: open up the possibility for people to say, wait, Slumping
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: or not, why is the best player in baseball not
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: playing in the playoffs when elimination looms? The Rays evened
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: up the ALCS with a 3-1 victory over the Guardians
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: last night. Game three tomorrow night in Cleveland. You can
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: listen to the Major League Baseball playoffs right here on
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM. This is the story I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to get to, and I'll be honest with you,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: it's likely to take up a good portion of the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Daily Dump here because we are now in a stage
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: of sports and in professional sports professional from college sports,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the betting stuff, the daily sports leagues, the traditional casino-based
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: sports gambling, the calci and poly market, the prediction markets.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Gambling is everywhere. It is everywhere on the landscape. And
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: for a long time, it was taboo. It was something
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: that players weren't allowed to refer to. Players weren't allowed
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: to talk about. They certainly weren't allowed to do it.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Guys received lifetime bans. Programs received death penalties over gambling stuff.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Now it's just part of your everyday landscape. Well, at ESPN,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: there was a producer who has been working for decades
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: with ESPN who decided to walk away from sports media,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: from ESPN at least, in protest of the network now
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: embracing sports gambling. She did an interview with the Columbia
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Journalism Review, and she said, I will not have blood
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: on my hands. Now, it's worth stating, and it's important
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: to note, and shout out to James for getting this
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: in the Daily Dump today, because I don't think I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: would have found this. But she has some deeply personal
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: experiences with gambling and gambling addiction that make her react
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: to it in a way that a lot of people
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: probably weren't. ESPN bet, by the way, a billion and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: a half dollars for the network over 10 years is
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: what they were projecting. It has not been that. I mean,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: it's over now. See, that's right.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: It kind of flopped embarrassingly after less than two years.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: But there's always something to fill the space. DraftKings comes
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: in and DraftKings go to ESPN right now. Go to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: ESPN on college game day. Go to ESPN online. any
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: moment of the day and you're going to wait about
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: 30 seconds before you see some reference to draft Kings
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: and betting odds and things like that.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: And it's a partnership, right?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: That is more about the fabric of how you cover
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: than just a traditional like, Oh yeah, look, this is
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: a commercial, right? You don't change the way you don't
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: change the conversation around the baseball or basketball or soccer
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: or hockey or college football or pro football for Coca-Cola.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: You don't say, I mean, look, the.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Ticker at the bottom of the screen right now tells
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: you when the game is going to be on and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: who's favorite in the game and who's the underdog in
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the game and.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: What the odds are. It's just, that's just how it goes, right?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: There's no, by the way, the flavor, the Coca-Cola flavor
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: of the game for the ALCS is this The best
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: beer that you can get at the game is this.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: It changes the coverage on games because you bet on
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: the outcome of the game. And these other advertising partners
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: are not so directly linked and related. But this producer said,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to work for a gambling company and
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: have blood on my hands. She worked there for 24 years.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: She won an Emmy. She won a Peabody Award. Or
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: are you supposed to say it Peabody? Peabody award, uh,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: mostly with outside the lines and outside the lines, by
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: the way, is probably one of the more like real
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: journalistic endeavors that ESPN still does.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think in the article, this is from
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: the Columbia journalism review. Very, very highbrow, very highbrow journalism, uh,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: publication here. I think they say that she even before, uh,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: sports betting was legalized in many States in 2018. I
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: think she did some work on outside the lines, kind
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: of these scathing things about sports betting. So she was
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: not just because of her personal story, as you alluded
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: to OC, but also professionally she's been on the opposite
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: side of this sports betting revolution, if you will. And it,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: it just, It feels pretty natural for her to be like, yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: this is a reason for me to want to step
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: away from ESPN in particular and probably sports broadcasting.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: And she she acknowledges this. And I appreciate this. There's
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: less of a like a. finger wagging, judgmental tone to this,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: like her, even the way she talks about it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, she's doing it for her own reasons and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: not saying like, how dare all of you do this?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: She's saying, look, I, I couldn't work for this company. Uh,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: her grandfather, her father, one of her brothers, according to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: her pretty much destroyed by sports gambling addiction.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: She talks about in her childhood, she didn't go normal places.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: They went to sports books and they went to dog
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: tracks and they went to horse tracks and Unfortunately, she
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: lost her brother at, he was 36 years old. I mean,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: it's like a deeply personal thing in this family. And
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: she has walked away from a really good job at
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: ESPN because of the way that we have now embraced
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: sports gambling as a culture and the way that the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: networks are playing into that. And this is, look, this
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: is something that is hyper relevant right now in our
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: state because the, the members of a predominant religion in
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: this state, the, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: in the recent general conference. Basically, this was addressed, and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Polymarket and Kalshi and the prediction markets were mentioned specifically
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: as being problematic and addictive and something that you should avoid.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: And probably those in particular were named because those have
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: recently very publicly been their appeal to be legalized in Utah.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Was denied.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: So that, that's probably why that was mentioned in the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: general conference talk. Um, but there's, I mean, there's draft
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: Kings daily fantasy, which is, which has been operating in
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: like a gray area in States like Utah. I mean,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: Shreyas Lata, I mentioned it last week on the show.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: He had a great article in the Salt Lake Tribune
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: where he basically was like new to the market. I'm
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: really curious if gambling is illegal in Utah, why people
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: are able to play daily fantasy like draft Kings and,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: pride's picks as a sponsor of the station, things like that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: And he got an answer that was like, well, technically
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: they're not legal, but they haven't, they just haven't prosecuted
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: them yet, which is very interesting.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: And then look, it's, you're probably not going, the state
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: is probably not going to go after individuals or go
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: after the companies because it's just going to tie up
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: too much money, resources, energy, et cetera. And something like this,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: but it is something that, You know, it's always worth
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: a conversation about whether or not this is a good
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: thing or a bad thing in a market, and more importantly,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: in someone's life. I will say this the way that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I say, that I talk about, I'll talk about this
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: the way that I talk about every vice that exists
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: You learn whether or not you can handle things.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: And if you're not going to tempt that fate and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: you're not going to take the risk of, oh, guess what?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I can't handle this. You're protecting yourself by not doing so.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: I am a teetotaler, a straight edger. I don't dabble
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: in anything at all. I never have. If you ask
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: me today and every day of my life so far,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: I never will.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: That's not.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: A superiority thing, a moral superiority thing.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: If anything, it's because I, I acknowledge in myself that
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I probably can't handle stuff, right? I have a personality
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: where if I, if I get into something, if I
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: like something, I really, really like it. I probably overdo it.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, Oreos are that way for me. I can't
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: imagine what crack would be like. So gambling has always
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: been one of these things. Like I, when I'm in Vegas,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: I'll play cards. When I'm with some buddies, I'll play cards.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: We'll gamble a little bit. I don't mind throwing a
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: bet down on a sporting event or not. I don't,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: I don't have to, I don't worry about it the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: way that other people seem to have to worry about it.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: And there's good reason why sports gambling should be examined
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: carefully in individuals and in families and in institutions. But
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: The reality now in college sports, in pro sports, in everything,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: it's not even sports anymore. These prediction markets take bets
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: on things that you probably shouldn't be taking bets on.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: But it is here, and it is here to stay.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: And nothing an individual does with their own career choices
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: is going to change that. So this is just a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: principle move by this This young woman from ESPN.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and her name's Nicole Noren. It is mentioned in
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: the article she would like. to collaborate with independent journalists,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: content creators, a.k.a. podcasters, influencers, on talking about the dangers
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: of gambling more than what is talked about when you
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: see basically mostly just positive stuff because– When you're watching sports,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, I told you I was watching the baseball
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: game last night, Guardians Rays, and they're bringing up, okay,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: right now on Kalshi, this is what the, they don't
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: do odds, but this is the percentage of what Kalshi
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: users are saying the outcome of this game will be.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: Go ahead and go on Kalshi and make your own
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: investment in this, right? it's a very positive thing because
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: they're getting, because they're now getting money from these companies
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: to promote them. She wants to do, she wants to
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: do more investigative journalism, again, collaborating with these influences, influencers
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: and other independent journalists to talk more about the pitfalls
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: of these things, which I think that that's needed more
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: than what we're getting to OC. I, I tend to
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: be on the, I, I tend to be on the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: side of I would rather if it wasn't so widespread,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: I do understand the points that have been brought up
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: that say, hey, the bad things that can happen, particularly
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: when you're talking about fixing games and point shaving and
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: stuff like that, they're more likely to be found and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: nipped in the bud when it is legalized. I'm willing
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: to entertain those kind of stories, but it just– I
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: don't even have the personal tragedy in my life that, uh,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: Nicole Noren has with losing members of her family to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: gambling addiction. And I still just feel like, yeah, it
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: feels like there's more harm than good. Then it can
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: do more harm than good. If you delve into this
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: too much and too much is obviously to the point
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: where you're addicted, right? Not where you're recreationally just having
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: a lot of fun with it, but it's, So I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: tend to be on her side of the thing, but
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: I'm also trying to be really tolerant of like, I.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Understand why she's like, do it responsibly.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: I understand why she's like, okay, I want to, I
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: want journalists to talk more about this. I want, again,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: it's deeply personal to her. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: But I mean, alcohol is a vice that many of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: our listeners, most Americans, most people around the world, like,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: they partake in and they can kind.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Of handle, right.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: And enjoy it responsibly and stuff. But there's also, I mean,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of examples of it being
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: a wildly destructive and nobody turns away a beer sponsor
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: or a tequila sponsor or whatever, like they're everywhere.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: Speaker 2, or goes on and even goes on a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: kind of crusade that she's talking about wanting to go
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: on with gambling.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Speaker 3, that's what I mean.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Like nobody, no, no, there's no one out there even
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say no one, but no one is seeking
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: podcast content of like why you shouldn't drink alcohol.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: No one is going to be seeking podcast content of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: why gambling is bad for you. It's why these, these
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: rookie symposiums that all the leagues do don't actually work
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: because as soon as you tell someone, uh, you shouldn't
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: There's two personalities.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: The person who's either bored by it and is going
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: to shut it off or the person who is defiant
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: to it and is going to fight back against it.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: And there's not really like there.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: It's so prohibitively rare that someone is going to hear
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: the cautionary tale of Andre Rison. And be like, yep,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I 100% buy into all the things you're saying. You
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: learn from your mistakes, not other people's mistakes. So I
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: guess just like I sympathize with this Nicole Noren.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I feel a.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Certain amount of admiration for her standing on principle and saying, look,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to take the risk of being unemployed. I'm
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: willing to go on the job market again. rather than
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: staying at a place where I'm probably pretty comfortable. I'm
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: well compensated. I've got a great health plan because I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: can't stomach this. I admire people who follow their principles.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: I think that when you do those things, and it
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: seems like she is, when you do those things, you
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: have to follow your principles, accepting that they might not
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: be shared by your employer.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: They might not be shared by your friends. They might
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: not be shared by your family.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Even I, And there are going to be sometimes consequences,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: sometimes benefits, but there are going to be reactions to
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: these types of things.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: And she's in a situation.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Now where maybe she becomes the face of sports gambling,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: the fight against sports gambling, or maybe, and more likely, unfortunately,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: ESPN just hires the replacement.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: And this article is kind of the last we ever
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: hear from her.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: It's a topic worth going into. I feel like it's
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: certainly a topic, the way that she describes in this
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: article from the Columbia Journalism Review, what she wants to
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: do to try to tell more of the pitfalls of gambling.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: I think that's worthwhile to explore for her, too, and
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: for more people to explore. But at the same time,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: even though I just kind of went on a diatribe away,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: I think there can be more harm than good in
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: participating in sports gambling. I also, you have to acknowledge
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: just the, the alcohol thing is a great, a great
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: parallel OC because you also have to acknowledge that there
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: are millions of people, maybe even billions of people worldwide
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: now who are participating in sports gambling, just like that,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: that have partaken of alcohol and, And are not alcoholics.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: They're not doing destructive things to themselves or other people.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: They're able to do it responsibly. So it's definitely a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: complex thing. And it's an interesting story to hear a
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: 24-year veteran at ESPN saying, you know what? I'm done
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: because I don't want to promote this vice anymore in
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: her eyes.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anticipate this.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: We're going to get some really interesting reporting on LeBron James,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: his sponsorship with fanatics, which is in this same realm.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: And, uh, the helicopter that he rides to work in
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: for about 45 minutes, because James's guy, Pablo Torre has
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: now turned his investigative lens onto the LeBron James.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: He's coming after everybody. He just got done.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: He's probably not done, but he just released a few
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: on Tim Tebow and a scam that's going on that
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: Tim Tebow may or may not have participated in.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: LeBron's next.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: It looks like it's actually a really dicey time to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: be an hyper famous athlete. It is Pablo Torre, his
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: whole livelihood. Now he's finding things out. Baby's finding your
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: dirt and dirty laundry. Pablo Torre is like, if he's,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: I hope he hires a bodyguard and a security person
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: pretty soon because he is now in the very dicey
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: realm of upsetting billionaires and.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a conspiracy theorist.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: You people know this, but I think that is bad
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: for your long-term health when you start to mess with
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: the bottom line for billionaires.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Dan Levitard. Or the passion projects for billionaires.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: Dan Levitard's got his hands full being his security guy.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: I just, I just think that, and again, we just
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: talked about principles like Pablo Torre is making money off this,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of ways for Pablo Torre to
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: make money. That don't involve him ruffling the feathers of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: people who could ruin his life.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: And he's just doing it. He's just going after him.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, what's up? You got to admire it because.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: We're in an age when media has become, especially the media,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: the people in media that you know, like a Pablo Torre,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: they have become so beholden to Whoever the corporations are
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: that sponsor the network that you're on or the publication
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: that you write for or speak.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: On, right?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: And he and Metal Ark Media, Dan Levitard, the face
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: of Metal Ark Media, they're just.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what? We don't care.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 6: We want you to find out whatever you want to
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: find out. You got to admire that.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: If.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Fan bet, fan, dual underdog fantasy prize picks shout out station.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: If any of these companies somehow found a way, right.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: I know that there are rules against it, but let's,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: if they somehow found a way and we're just like,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: you know what? We are now the Jersey patch sponsor
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: for the university of Utah football and basketball and women's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: basketball team.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: We're on the leotards for the Red Rocks.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: And it's going to bring 10 million, 20 million, 30 million,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: 50 million, whatever your number is.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: To Utah athletics.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Are you going to say, cool, as a, as a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Utah fan, if you're listening to the show, you're probably
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: a Utah fan. If one of these companies wants to
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: throw money at the university of Utah and the rules
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: are magically eliminated. So everything that blocks this, all the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: big 12 rules and the NCAA rules don't have to
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: listen to them anymore, by the way.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Uh, but the big 12 rules say, you know what?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: You can't have a.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Alcohol sponsor, a tobacco sponsor, a weed sponsor.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: You can't have a betting sponsor.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: What if those things went away and they wanted to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: give the university of Utah more money than this PV
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: three company that just threw another bag at BYU. And
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: it's now draft Kings field at rice echo stadium. Uh,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: DraftKings monster energy field at Rice Echo stadium. Are we
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: cool with that? Are you happy with that as a fan?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: 877-353-0700.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Again, I think for me, I'm just kind of like,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: all right, that's a logo and I don't care anything
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: about it. It doesn't make me more likely to want
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: to place a bet because you're on Utah's Jersey. It
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't make me less likely to place a bet because
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: I think that, oh, you should stay out of college sports.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: And you're not offended by it because it's a gambling country.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: Gambling companies don't bother me. You know how many times
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: I've driven past the big signs in Las Vegas and
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: not lost any money at those places.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, lots of times, dozens of times because you,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do it now. maybe my opinion
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: changes as my kids get a little bit older and
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: they become teenagers and they have their own phones and
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: they're going off to college and they're like, Hey dad,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: I just lost $ 500 betting on the outcome of a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: women's basketball game. I'm probably gonna be like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: pump the brakes here. And then maybe in that case,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be bothered by these companies, but I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: don't think so. Because if ultimately one of my kids
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: comes home drunk, I'm not going to say, all right,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: I'm taking down Budweiser.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: You know, like I, I don't know where the cultural
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: responsibility is supposed to be on this type of stuff.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: I have been pretty, I've been in the past, not
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: now because I'm more just like, Hey, don't hurt me
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: or mine. And I don't care what you do, but
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: I have been pretty obnoxious at times in my life,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: making the point of like, Hey, if we did, if
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: we took alcohol out of cultural existence for like a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: year and everyone forgot what it was. And then you
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: tried to bring it back in as a legal substance.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: No chance that it's legalized with all the negative side effects.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: It's bad for your health. It's bad for everything. I'm like,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: there's no way that would get legal. I've made this
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: point a million times. I used to like stump on this.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: when people got into conversations with me and people be like, Oh,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: come on, have a drink.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: It used to be pro prohibition. We have a drink
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: with me. Why don't you drink?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, don't, I used to be like, don't
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: you know how crazy it is that this is something
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: that is like deeply embedded in the fabric of American
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: culture and worldwide culture. And you know, I've matured out
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: of that needing to prove a point or wanting to
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: prove a point, become more tolerant.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: And, and, Tolerant is because you know what I'm not
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: tolerant of? I'm not tolerant of drunkenness. I'm not tolerant
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: of irresponsibility. I am tolerant of the idea that you
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: can drink whatever you want as long as you enjoy
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: it responsibly. And if you don't and it crosses over
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: into the realm of harm or illegal, then it's problematic.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel kind of about all of this stuff.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like Spence likes to say on the drive,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: two to six, he likes to say moderation in all things.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: And he kind of implies that Not that doesn't mean
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: some things we completely ban outright. That means in all things.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: And so I, I have gotten, I, I've gotten more
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: and more on that side of things where it's like, yeah,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: as long as you're able to do it responsibly and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: you're not getting out of control or with whatever thing
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: that you're into, that may or may not be a vice, um,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: go for it and just don't harm other people or yourself.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with this is from 1466 on the text line.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with betting companies advertising on university of Utah uniforms.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: I'd rather see that than the youth selling Pepsi, bring
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: back Coke, go use. I mean, there are people out there.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: You're listening to CBP. We got a Utes fan who
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: wants Coke, not Pepsi.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: At least get some diet Dr. Pepper in there.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: That's like the redeeming thing about Pepsi brands is they
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: have Dr.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Pepper. Yeah, it's Dr.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Pepper.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 6: And that's because Dr. Pepper is technically independent. You see
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 6: it in the Coke vending machines. You see it in
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: the Pepsi vending machines because they get to play both
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: sides there.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: This is from Spencer.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: One thing that came up with the Premier League bet
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: sponsor ban, they banned... betting sponsors from premier league shirts,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: former players was former players who struggled with betting, including
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: some more suspended for betting and now had to wear
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: a shirt with betting on it.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: That would be problematic. Yeah. But again, the.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: NFL, the NHL, major league baseball, they've had a million
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: guys who've had, who've dealt with alcoholism.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Or drugs in the past.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Weed has gotten Josh Gordon lost his entire career to marijuana.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, think about the St. Louis Cardinals. The name
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: of their stadium is Bush Stadium. Anheuser-Busch. And there's probably
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: a lot of Cardinals players that have had problems with alcohol.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Over the years.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: There's this line that we have to sometimes discuss. We
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: can't solve anything on a sports talk radio show. But
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: there's a line where we discuss.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Like, okay.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Personal responsibility, the use of things that can be harmful
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: or problematic or dangerous, right? Nobody is bothered by your
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: dirt bike sponsor when someone crashes a dirt bike.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: If you are reckless on your boat at Lake Powell
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: and that thing sinks and you have to be life
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: flighted out of there, no one is just like, we
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: got to get rid of boats.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: It's tough because ultimately personal responsibility comes in and And
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: I know that it's overly reductive because the norm in
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: boating is that everything's probably going to be fine and safe.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's even the norm in betting
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: or in, you know, alcohol or drug consumption that everything's
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: going to be okay. I don't know what the norm
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: is in betting, especially because that's what we're talking about
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Clearly the norm is not you win or else these
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: companies wouldn't have billions and billions of dollars.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: So the norm is you lose. How badly do you lose?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, 877-353-0700. Tell us what you think about the
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: ubiquitous nature of sports gambling and the advertisements. And would
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: you accept it at the University of Utah or on
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: your other favorite team, Utah Mammoth?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk with Adrian Denny.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: If they had a DraftKings patch on the sweater, would
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: it affect how much you liked the Mammoth?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: I think the answer is an obvious no. Yeah, jazz, whatever.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: And good news is, especially after last weekend, I don't
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 6: think BYU fans are going to have to grapple with
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: that question.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: So if you're a BYU fan, you're like, yeah, whatever.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Reminder to all of you out there, now that the
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  Speaker 2: cold weather is upon us, the rain, the sleet, the snow.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: In the summertime, you could probably just get away with it,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: get over the fact that your house is a little
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: too warm.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: In the wintertime, we have a hard time dealing with cold, baby.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: You need to get that home more energy efficient. And
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: the best way to do that is probably to replace
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• 1:46:36
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  Speaker 2: Between the Pipes is next. The Utah Mammoth with a
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: big win last night. Back on home ice against the
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Toronto Maple Leafs. We'll discuss that, what's coming, and much
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: more with Adrian Denny. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. I can feel it coming
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: in the air tonight.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 792.1 FM.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. It is that
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: time Wednesdays at one. We go between the pipes with
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  Speaker 2: Our Utah mammoth insider is right here in studio with me.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Adrian. Oh, see.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me back, man.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: How are you doing? All right. Doing great.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: I will look back and we'll look forward and we'll
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: look at last night with this Utah mammoth. I want
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: to go a couple of games back though. What the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: bleep happened to this team in Boston?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: It's funny because if you looked at all of the analytics,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: On the game, the expected win-a-meter from moneypuck.com had the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 8: Mammoth at like 80-20 the whole game. Expected goals in
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 8: the game favored Utah. So, two things. Analytics don't factor
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: in game management and momentum and saves that should have
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: been made by both Grover Milka and Sebastian Kosa. It
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 8: just was an off night in the middle of a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 8: five game trip. You know, Mike Fultz and I were
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 8: talking like the experts say that you're probably going to
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: have five or six clunkers a year. And the funny
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 8: thing was, is everything but the game and the key
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: moments in the game. They did a pretty good job
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 8: of first 10 minutes.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: Boston got a power play goal and then they got
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: three and scored one all year. So it was just
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: kind of the averages, I guess, catching up, but not
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: a not a fun Thursday night. But but we were
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: all amused looking at all of the because I'm a
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 8: big expected win a meter guy, especially when the Mammoth
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: are losing. Hey, but see the expected win a meter. Hey, but,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: but you got to manage situations.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: They're down for one, but the expected winner meter says
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: they're coming back.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 8: You got to push back, which is why Utah is
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: five and two, because they've really been good in situations
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 8: of countering momentum. Last night, Toronto made the game three, one, four, four, two.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to do the recount in my head. Nevertheless, OC,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: the mammoth had three. three goal leads and Toronto trimmed
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 8: it to two, three times twice. The mammoth got the
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: three goal lead back instantly, right? The pushback was there. Um,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: and then late in the game, it's five, four key moment.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 8: Goalie makes five huge saves in the final 90 seconds,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: six on four. So it was just kind of the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 8: way that, that they were able to, to manage the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: game that went the exact opposite in Boston when they
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: lost six to one.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, In between, they had a nice little response in
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Buffalo as well. So this team, like Adrian mentioned, 5-2
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: right now. They continue to score goals. You're getting a
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: nice balance of production. You know, guys that are newcomers
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: on the roster. Vincent Trocek, once again, proving his worth
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: early in this season. Mackenzie Wieger hasn't been around for long.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: He's proving his worth early. Daniil Boot, these guys, obviously,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: you know, there was no doubt that Petrochek and Uyghur
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: were going to be staples in this franchise. Daniil Boot
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: is still very young and handled being sent back down
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: last year with, I think, a lot of grace. And
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: it's proving itself. He's proving himself, paying dividends and showing
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: those dividends now on NHL ice. And we're talking about
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: these newcomers in a, in a roster that has a
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: lot of the same, but we're seeing some of the
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: difference making a difference.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: McKenzie Weger's been unbelievable. Like, and it's added to Mikhail
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: Sergeyev's game to have a D partner like that. But
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: when the man with got Weger last year, like you,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 8: you looked at, you know, some, some defensive numbers and he'd,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 8: then top three in the NHL and block shots and hits,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: you know, over a five-year stretch. And he'd also had
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 8: a 20 goal season in that. And this year with,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: with the full camp, with the full off season, we've
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 8: said he went from the slowest team to the fastest team.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: And it was, it was an adjustment that, you know,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: he probably was disappointed with how he played. And he
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 8: said that going down the stretch in the playoffs, even
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: though it was an addition, it was a, a, a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: big insertion of the lineup for, for Utah. But, but
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: now we're seeing the real McKenzie Weger, who is, is
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 8: all over Austin Matthews, like a grizzly bear last night
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 8: in the third period. Like he was, he was on
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: top of him. And then you look at the other
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: side of the ice and Mikhail Sergeyev is holding court
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: over there and making it difficult in big moments of
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: the game and big Possession points, big shifts for Toronto.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 8: If they're not there holding it all down, Maple Leafs
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 8: would have got some better chances and probably would have
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: tied the game up. But Wiegers fought twice. He's got
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: in on the offense, but he's just a big guy
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: that you have to reckon with him when you enter
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 8: the offensive zone if you're facing the Mammoth.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: 5-4 was the final score, and as you mentioned, things
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: got tight late.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: It seemed interminable.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: It was like a forever stretch of six on four
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: at the very end, and Vemelka had to make some
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: great saves. You're playing from behind. I don't know if
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: boneheaded is the right way to call the penalty taken
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: by Gunther, but untimely at the very least. It was
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: troublesome to see it in that situation, and all the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: momentum belonged to to the Maple Leafs at that point,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: but how big was it that final stand, surviving that
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: six-on-four onslaught for this Utah Mammoth team?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: It was Karel Vemelka winning the team a game, and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 8: you look at some of the goals that they got,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: could they have been saved? You don't like giving up
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: four in a game, right? That's getting to the point
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 8: where it's a little high. Could the goalie have saved
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 8: one of those? But he was phenomenal. And that's, that's,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: you know, you look at goaltender numbers and you see
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: a good save percentage, you see a good goals against average,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: or you see the same percentage. That's, that's a little lower.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: Like the milk is was last night, but the saves
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: he made in the big moments. And I'm looking at,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: at the shot chart, he had five saves in the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: final 80 seconds when it is six on four. And
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: Vinny Trocek after the game said, yeah, that's, that's what
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 8: it said. He made five saves, but there were, there
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: were a lot more, um, pucks that were in his
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 8: neighborhood that they got knocked away than, than he got
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: credit for. So, so that was a big Corral Vamulka
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: game for the mammoth. And, you know, you win a
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: one goal game. A lot of the times you're, you're
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: looking at your goalie and, and I think that that
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 8: was a signature, you know, save for, for Vamulka really is,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: is the whole game is, is considered. And, Gosh, the penalties, man.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: Utah in that game, I thought Toronto had a great
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: first period. I thought they were coming out playing with
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 8: some of the momentum from a big win in Colorado
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: on Saturday. They were fresh. They'd been up in Park
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 8: City for the last couple days. They'd been practicing up there.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: They started with a decent game to open their trip
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: in Vegas. They lost in a shootout, but I thought,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 8: oh boy, the Mavs are kind of back on their
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 8: heels here because Toronto's really bringing it. And then They
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: were able to take that early lead and go from
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: there and then use really their identity of speed and
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 8: skill and what they're able to do off the rush
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 8: in transition to kind of take control of the game.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 8: Five-on-five scoring was 4-1. Penalties is what kind of made
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 8: that game kind of messy. And that's where Toronto's got
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 8: a good power play. Stayed in it with two power
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: play goals. scoring one on a delayed penalty that would
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 8: have been a power play. But the thing about those penalties, OC,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 8: was you're thinking, oh, it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. Like,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: you can see taking a penalty here or there against
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 8: them because, you know, Austin Matthews, William Nylander, the new
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: 18-year-old Gavin McKenna, like, they put you in compromising situations.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: But the penalties that the Mammoth took, like, it was Gunther, like,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 8: really kind of straddling the neutral zone. And I've never
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 8: seen him take three minor penalties in a game ever.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 8: And then he took a penalty earlier in the, in
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: the offensive end. And, and that was the one thing
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 8: that really got to bear after the game was like,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 8: it's where we took the penalties. Like we just didn't
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 8: need to do them. So I chalk it up to
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 8: a night that they took some penalties that they're probably
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: not going to take again.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: Adrian Denny is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: show between the pipes. As we talk a little Utah mammoth,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: um as you're looking at the things that will be
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: tweaked over the course of the season and maybe that's
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: one of them what else is there that this team
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: i mean special teams have been a lot better at
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: the beginning of this but far from a finished product
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: nobody is in the nhl right now when these guys
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: are trying to tweak some things what's top of the agenda?
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: I think five on five has been good. Top ten
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 8: in the NHL, five on five. Power play has been
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 8: leading the NHL for most of this. We thought the
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: penalty kill was there. First three games of the year
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: didn't allow a power play goal. New Jersey scored on
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 8: a five on three, whatever. You're 13 for 14 going
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: into Boston on Thursday. And then all of a sudden
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: their power play, which had been 0 for 10, chalks
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 8: up three. Buffalo on Saturday goes up one, nothing getting
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: their first power play goal of the year. And then
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 8: Toronto two power play goals. So PK started off really strong.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 8: I can't with, with the sample size that we have
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: really doubt in other than that's a percentage that you
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: want to be a little bit higher there. And, and
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 8: then you're looking at goals you allowed and you're zeroing
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 8: in on a Malka and Sebastian Cosa. And you're like, well, that,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 8: pretty high-danger scoring chances that they scored. So easy, stay
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 8: out of the penalty box, and just see what you
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 8: can tighten up there on the PK, because to start
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 8: the year, it was perfect.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: We were talking about him before we came on air here. Schmaltz,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Nick Schmaltz, is off to a red-hot start to this season.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Is it sustainable for Schmaltz?
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 8: It is because of where he's scoring his goals. If
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 8: his shooting percentage was, say, 40% right now, you're like,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 8: that's a little high. That's going to normalize down to 10, 15, 20%.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 8: But the difference for him this year compared to the
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 8: first decade of his career is... where he's scoring his
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 8: goals from five of his six goals have been scored
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 8: within close proximity of the net for his career. He's
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 8: about 25% for scoring goals within a close proximity of
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 8: the net. So relying on his shot. So when, when
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 8: he's creating offense and doing what he's done so far,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 8: it's just something you're going to have to, put up
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 8: with when he goes to those, those high danger areas.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: If you're the opposition, because you're not relying on your
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 8: goalie to stop a one-time shot from Nick Schmaltz that
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 8: to start the year has gone in 40 to 45%
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 8: of the time. And you know, it's gonna, it's gonna normalize.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: And as I watch him and Clayton Keller, just their
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: tenaciousness of hunting pucks when Utah is, is, back defensively
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 8: or they're they're trying to strip an opposing player coming
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 8: out of the offensive zone to get the puck back
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 8: to go create some more offense like they did in
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 8: buffalo on saturday but those guys like defensively like nick
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 8: schmaltz was top 10 in the nhl and strips last
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 8: year to to put it to an elementary term uh
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 8: but the keller's the same thing they're they're a shutdown
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 8: group that they don't have the puck, they get it
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 8: back for you and they get back to work. And
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: that's been the best thing so far from, from Utah
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 8: skill is how hard they've worked to get the puck back.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 8: And I think we've seen a lot of that from,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 8: from Cooley and Gunther too, is, you know, you got
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 8: skill guys, but these, these Utah skill guys, and it
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 8: goes back to just kind of their, their mindsets of
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 8: just being so obsessed with hockey a hundred percent of
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 8: the time that, They're not just looking for the quick
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 8: highlight real play. They understand that we got to play
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 8: defense too. And number two, if we want to, you know,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 8: reach our offensive numbers and we don't have the puck,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 8: we got to go get it back.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: And so they go to town.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: A guy, one of my favorite players on this team,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: and we have not talked about him yet in any
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: of our between the pipe segments, but he leads the
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: team in plus minus right now. He's only on the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: ice about 13 minutes a game, but Barrett Hayden has
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: been really, really good Through this first seven games.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 8: Last night, I could have been the best forward. Won
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 8: seven of his eight face-offs on the shorthanded goal that
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 8: Sergeyev scored. He did three things on an ice sheet
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 8: that's 200 feet long that occurred on both ends. He
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 8: was involved in kind of stripping the puck away. Um, from,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: from Toronto. I think he took it from, from Gavin McKenna.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: And he did.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: He stripped the puck away, forced it around behind the net.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: Stenland recovered it, made a straight line pass to Hayden
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 8: coming up ice. He's going in hard to the net,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 8: got denied on his breakaway, stayed in front of the net,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 8: created a distraction. got the Toronto D man, Nick Blake
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 8: and ship kind of turned around, which turned the goalie around.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 8: Cause you got a big D man in your blue
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 8: paint is your goal. He's trying to make a save.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: And here comes Mikhail Sergeyev. Oh, I think I'll just
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 8: flip this in and score a goal to make it three, nothing,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: but force the puck free received a pass, created a
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 8: scoring chance that he didn't score on.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 8: Was still part of the goal being scored and was
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: the reason it was scored because he kept going when
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 8: he got denied. He's, he's been great and he's got
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 8: the longest scoring streak on the, on the team, which
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 8: is four games. He's got five assists in his last
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: four games. So you look at that and, and him and,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 8: and Anders Lee and Kyle Yamamoto, the last couple of
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: games have been really good last night. They out attempted
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 8: the Maple Leafs 15 to one and outshot him six
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 8: to nothing. So I've loved, loved, loved, loved, loved, loved
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: Barrett Hayden early, especially the last couple of games.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Last thing before we let you go, do you like
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: the frozen frenzy where they pack them all in and
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: it makes it so, I mean, you're watching a mammoth game.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: You can't see any of the rest of what's going
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: on around the NHL.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say, man. The only
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 8: thing that sucks about it is we're playing a game.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 8: it was kind of fun having hockey start at four
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: mountain time yesterday. So I'm in, I'm in our mountain
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 8: blue radio studios getting ready for the game and hockey
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 8: was on at four. So that was cool. It was
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 8: on an hour earlier. And then, you know, um, we
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 8: go play our game and heck yeah, I'm looking at
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 8: scores every, every media time out. Cause it was, it was,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 8: it was just such a, an overwhelming thing and i
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 8: i loved it uh and then after the game um
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 8: you don't usually have this by the time we get
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 8: off the air and if you've ever heard hockey night
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: utah on the radio you'll you'll understand sometimes we go
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 8: along um for a while and when we got off
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 8: the air san jose and boston was still going and
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 8: had 10 minutes left in the third period so that
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 8: was a 9 p.m mountain time start so kind of
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 8: book ended around it but yeah i thought it was
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 8: fun i like it i like just more hockey, the better.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: So don't do it every night, but it was fun
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 8: It would have been fun if there was 15 games
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 8: and we weren't playing and you could just veg out
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 8: and watch all of them.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: Adrian, it's always great having you come in. Appreciate your
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: time and your insight, my friend.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Sean. Appreciate you having me.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: See you next week.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: That's Adrian Denny between the pipes. Our mammoth insider brought
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• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll check in on the latest with the
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: Utah Royals. Two games left in their season. Both of
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: them are at home. Kiki Solano, their marketing director, joins
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: us next. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: and 92 on FM.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: best inside of your Utes. Let's get back to OC
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 792.1 FM.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 9: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: Time to check in on what's going on with the
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: Utah Royals. Got a couple more home games. A couple
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: more opportunities for you to see this team on the
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: home field down at America First. We welcome Kiki Solano
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: from the Royals to talk about what's coming up.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Kiki, welcome to the show.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: How are you? I'm doing great.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 11: How are you doing?
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: Doing all right. I mentioned it. Only two games left
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: at home. And, you know, this team.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: I think playoff bound number four in the standings right now.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: So we'll get to that here in a second, but
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: Saturday it's the Kansas city current on the home field,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: breast cancer awareness match. What's going on down there at
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: America first field.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 11: Oh, man, what's not going on? We have a lot happening.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 11: Like you said, Breast Cancer Awareness Night. So first 4,000
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 11: fans in are getting pink scrunchies in honor of that.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 11: We also have a player who is putting on her
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 11: own breast cancer awareness auction. Paige Cronin's teaming up with
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 11: the rest of the players, and they are donating some
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 11: of their team official gear. And as people auction for that,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 11: all proceeds will go to Breast Cancer Awareness.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: Research.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 11: We're also doing something with the Policy Project where you
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 11: can come early, you can pack 1,000 menstrual kits that
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 11: will be donated to students all across the state of
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 11: Utah to have access to period products. And then we
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 11: will also be doing a sports broad drive so that
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 11: girls can have access to that as well. So bring
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 11: your new sports broad, get ready for some fun, breast
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 11: cancer awareness stuff. We are so excited.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: That's Saturday. There's no Utah home game. So you youths fans,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: you don't have tickets. You're not going to Boulder. So
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: get down there to America first field. and check out
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: the breast cancer awareness match against the Kansas city current.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: And then on the heels of that next Friday night,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: Seattle on the home field to close out the season.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: What goes on at the season finale?
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: Kiki.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 11: Oh, the season finale is the time we want to
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 11: make sure that fans know they are so loved. So
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 11: we're actually doing a couple fun things for them. Pre-game
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 11: on the plaza, an hour and a half before kickoff,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 11: we have a Taylor Swift cover artist who is going
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 11: to be there, the unofficial lovers tour. So you'll want
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 11: to get there early for that. And then because our
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 11: fans are our besties, we also have limited friendship bracelets
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 11: that are Utah Royals themed that will go out to
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 11: fans who arrive first as well.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: Tickets are available for that rsl.com slash Utah Royals for
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: all the information as the season finale Friday, October 23rd
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: against Seattle this weekend. It's the Kansas City Current coming in.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: And then fourth place in the league standing. So what's
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: playoff soccer going to look like?
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 11: Playoff soccer is going to be so fun. We are
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 11: so close to officially clinching playoffs. And this is the
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 11: first time that the Utah Royals will have ever clinched
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 11: playoffs in the history of our program.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 12: So we're still new.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 11: We're only a few years back in the market, but
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 11: it would be really, really exciting for us if we
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 11: secure one of those top four spots. Like you said,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 11: we're number four right now, but if we stay in
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 11: one of those top four spots, then we'll also get
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 11: a home playoff game. So there's a huge push for
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 11: that right now.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: So let's assume that happens, right? We're going to send
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: out the good vibes. We're going to, we're going to
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: make that happen. What kind of, What kind of insight,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: what kind of a preview can you give us on
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: what might be planned for a home playoff game?
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 11: Oh, I love this question. A home playoff game would
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 11: be the weekend somewhere between November 6th, 7th or 8th,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 11: you know, TBD on the exact date. But we would
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 11: be bringing out all the stops. We want to make
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 11: sure fans have a fantastic time. So stay tuned. I'm
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 11: sure we will have some type of giveaway item if
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 11: we get to that point. The hope is to have
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 11: a home playoff game. Regardless, we will make sure that
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 11: fans can come and we can watch playoffs together.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: What's the best place for people to find all this information?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: If they didn't get a chance to catch the show
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: live or they're like me and they just forget things easily,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: maybe to get their season tickets for next year, whatever
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: you want to do to support the Utah Royals, where's
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: the best place to find the info?
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 10: Absolutely.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 11: Utahroyals.com has all the info you need, or you can
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 11: check us out on Instagram at Utah Royals FC.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Kiki, appreciate you stopping by and letting us know what's
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: coming up.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 12: Absolutely.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: That's Kiki Solano from the Utah Royals. Only two more opportunities.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: So bundle up a little bit. Actually, the weather is
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: supposed to be nice again on Friday, right? I think
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: we're looking at mid sixties.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 6: Starting tomorrow, starting tomorrow, we're back into the sixties from
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 6: what I saw. So this is our last kind of
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 6: cold fall day, if you will. We're going to be
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 6: Back up 70 by Monday. How are you doing on
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 6: the cold, by the way?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: Every time the little cold snap hits and the air
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: smells different and the snow comes down on the mat,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: my blood gets real thin during the summer and I
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: become a big giant sissy about the cold. I woke
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: up this morning and my floor is like the fake hardwood.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: It's cold. A little cold. I'm like, oh, come on! So,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: do you.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 6: You don't sleep with socks? You just barefoot? No, I'm
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 6: not a serial killer, James.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. I'm just saying some people do. 877-353-0700.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: Tell us if you sleep with socks on so we
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: can block you and prevent you from.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: Listening to our show.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 6: But I'm saying, so you feel that as soon as
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 6: you get it. You're like, oh, yeah, this is cold.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah. I smell the cold first. You smell
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: it first. Yeah. You smell the cold coming first. A
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: little Gilmore Girls thing. You smell snow. Is that from
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls?
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: I've never watched an episode. I've watched a few. I
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: haven't seen. I know who they are. Like, I can
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: recognize who they are because of all the advertising. Your
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: wife's not into Gilmore Girls? Maybe before we met. Okay.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: Never seen it.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 6: Anyway, there's one of the characters. She claims she can
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 6: smell snow before it comes. It's her superpower. So you
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 6: can smell the cold. Well, maybe it's the same smell.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: It's probably the same smell. It's the same smell. Uh, yeah, I,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 6: so from St. George doesn't get very cold down there
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 6: as everyone knows.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 6: So when I first moved up here, this is coming
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 6: on almost 10 years ago now. Um, yeah, I was,
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 6: I was, I was a pretty big sissy when it
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 6: came to the cold. Now I feel like first off it,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 6: it's gotten a lot more mild, um, Over the last
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 6: few years, it's been a lot more milder, mild winters,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 6: except for that one, what, three, four years ago when
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 6: we had like a billion feet of snow. But also
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 6: just I've gotten acclimated to it. It doesn't doesn't bother
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 6: me that much. I used to think 60 something was
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 6: in 50s was cold. Now I'm like, that's this is
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 6: actually kind of pleasant. I, uh.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: I used to enjoy the cold and now I'm getting soft,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: but that's all right. I'll tell you what warms you
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: up though. When it is getting a little bit colder,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: what makes you feel like, all right, this is fine.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: This is worth it is when you're standing out there
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: next to the smoker next to the grill and you've
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: got something on that bad boy. that you know is
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: just going to be fantastic, delicious, and perfect for the family,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: or better yet, for the entire neighborhood as the watch
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: party for Utah versus Colorado. That's what you're preparing for
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: this weekend. Maybe you're a BYU fan who actually listens
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: to us here on ESPN 700. Maybe you're going to
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: shock everyone in Provo who's going down to the tailgate.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: They have one of those, right? for the Notre Dame game.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: You're going to show up for the game day crew
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: with the best possible meat dish from you guessed it.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: Southern steer butcher. We're down in Saratoga Springs at 17
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: Oh five North Redwood road. Give him a call at
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  Speaker 2: 8 0 1 8 9 5 31 Oh one. The
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: only thing better than going in and grabbing You know,
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: a few pounds of steak or a few pounds of
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: beef ribs or maybe even a couple of lobster tails
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: or a crock pot's worth of chicken. The only thing
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: better than that from Southern Steer is something that they
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: are offering now. Instead of buying a few pounds of
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: their fresh, high-quality, hormone- and chemical-free meat, why don't you
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: get a bunch of poundage? Introducing two different options for
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: the quarter cow. I love when you measure something by
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: a fraction of an animal.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: We should do everything this way.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: You should be able to walk into any restaurant and say,
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  Speaker 2: I would like an eighth of a pig, please. Southern
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  Speaker 2: the value quarter cow. That is 90 pounds of the
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  Speaker 2: value cuts, or you can do the premium quarter cow,
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  Speaker 2: which is the fancier higher end type cuts. and that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get 60 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: You'll eat all of those in one sitting,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. Six pound brisket, six pounds of ground beef,
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  Speaker 2: and six pounds of the gourmet burgers.
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  Speaker 1: So, That's 60 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: They call it a quarter cow, but of course, when
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  Speaker 2: you're throwing some wagyu in, some gourmet burger in, it's
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  Speaker 2: not all coming from the same cow. Oh, man, my
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  Speaker 2: you're someone who's in salt Lake city, like me, and
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  Speaker 2: it is a little bit of a jaunt to get
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  Speaker 2: out there to 1705 North Redwood road, this solves the problem.
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  Speaker 1: You go down there. Once you stock up the freezer,
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  Speaker 1: you got it.
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  Speaker 2: All for the next 60 pounds should last you about
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  Speaker 2: a month. 90 pounds should last you about a month
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  Speaker 2: and a half, if my math is correct, on how much.
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  Speaker 6: Beef we should be eating every day. Do you just
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  Speaker 6: buy four-quarter cows? I want a whole cow, and then
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  Speaker 6: you don't have to go back for however long.
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  Speaker 2: If you say, hey, give me a whole cow, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be like, what do you mean? Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: take four-quarter cows.
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  Speaker 3: I'll take five.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take four quarters. You want the 90 pounds or
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  Speaker 1: the 60 pounds?
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Give me two of each. Give me two of the
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  Speaker 1: premium quarters. Give me two of the value. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to see you for five years. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It takes just a few minutes in the air fryer.
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• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: All right. One more break. We'll finish the show with
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit of crosstalk.
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  Speaker 2: Check in on a conversation that we just kind of
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: stumbled upon about the ethics, for lack of a better term,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: of sports gambling advertisement in college sports. Would you be
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: okay if the University of Utah got on board with
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: what everyone else is doing and said, yeah, a jersey
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: sponsor for DraftKings or PrizePix or whatever else, would that
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: affect the way that you viewed the sports product at
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: your favorite university at all?
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  Speaker 9: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 2: Some interesting texts about our gambling sponsor conversation.
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  Speaker 1: This is from Craig. I want to get back to
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: the gambling thing.
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  Speaker 2: If you think the majority of Utah fans don't bet
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: you're wrong. I think that the majority of Utah fans
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: probably do bet.
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  Speaker 1: At least recreationally.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: Why do you think they wanted to change? Kyle rarely
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: covered what he could. I don't think that has anything
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: to do with With why certain people in powerful positions
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah were over the Kyle Whittingham thing.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: If you don't think big boosters, if you think big
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: boosters don't gamble, Utah, you're wrong. I think they probably
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: do gamble, Craig. I'm a former professional sports better, and
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: I could tell you stories about the flights to Vegas
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: from Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: It would blow your mind. Probably not. Morgan covers all
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: the time. So forth. There we go. There's a point
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: we can agree on.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: Morgan covers. Morgan wins and covers. Good teams win, great
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: teams cover. Look, does sports gambling affect personnel decisions on
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: a college football sideline? Are you firing a coach because
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: he doesn't cover? You have to have a degenerate addict
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: mega booster if that is the case.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: 0 6 2 8.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up with gambling in Nevada. We took classes
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: on math of chance, permutations and combinations in high school.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: I consider myself an educated gambler as such. I am
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: absolutely against colleges, networks, and pro teams being associated with
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: gambling entities.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: Most people don't.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: Really understand how gambling decays and destroys the integrity of
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: the game. Was the game fix was the line fix
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: where the officials fixing was the coach where the players
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: fixing their own stats was The line, the over, the under,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Brendan Sorsby placed over 10,000 bets over two
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: or three years. No problem there, right? No, there was
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: a problem. They sniffed the problem out. And Brendan Sorsby
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: is not playing football because of his involvement. He is
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: being punished. Now, I don't think he's the only one
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: doing it. I think he's the one that got caught.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: I think that he is paying a price for probably
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: thousands of other college sports athletes who were just smarter
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: about it than him. That is one of those lessons
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: that you learn in life, and some people have to
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: learn it the hard way. Would you accept the fact
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: that Utah might at some point, if the rules allowed,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: be willing to take gambling sponsor money for their basketball
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: jersey patch or the Red Rocks leotards or whatever?
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: 877-353-0700. It is ubiquitous. It is here. It's not going away.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: Are you willing to say, all right, you guys, it's
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: up to you to handle. Craig says, I underestimate. I
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: don't underestimate anything.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe I'm underestimating the influence that gambling has over
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: high-level decision-making on a campus. I will never agree with
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: the idea that Kyle Whittingham wore out his welcome because
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: he didn't cover for the betters. The drive with Spence check.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: It's his next. Keep your texts coming in. It's always
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: great to hear from you, even at the end of
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: the show. Hi, Spence. It's an interesting topic.
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  Speaker 13: I'm one who tends to believe that people should have
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 13: freedom of choice with most things. We do live in
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 13: a state where a lot of things are influenced by
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 13: the local belief system.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 13: Um, and that, which is, I guess they're right. Uh,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 13: in a way founded the place. We don't have to
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 13: get into stolen land conversations today and such, but let's not,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 13: we don't have to get into that. So you can
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 13: complain about the lack of separation between church and state
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 13: all you want, but if you don't like it, you
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 13: probably need to move because it's probably not changing anytime soon.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 13: Like Ryan Smith just announced his second phase for the
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 13: plans of downtown Salt Lake City.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: The renderings look cool.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 13: The renderings look really cool, but there are all these
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 13: nerds in the comments like, don't put bars, don't put
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 13: any bars down there, Ryan. Don't put any clubs down there, Ryan.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 13: There's all of these degenerates in Salt Lake. That's how
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 13: they sound in my head.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 13: And it's like, dude, just stay in Provo. Leave us
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 13: alone up here. Give people the freedom to choose the
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 13: things that they want to do. And I kind of
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 13: feel that way about being able to place a bet
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 13: on a game. But there's an undeniable danger to this
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 13: thing with your texture's point about how it's permeating through
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 13: the culture of the leagues and the teams being in
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 13: business with the sportsbooks.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: I never thought I'd see that day.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 13: Like, David Stern, may he rest in peace, was so
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 13: hell-bent on keeping an NBA franchise out of Las Vegas,
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 13: and everybody seemed to have that same idea simply because
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 13: of the dangers of of a team being there in
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 13: the desert where gambling is legal. And for a long time,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 13: one of like two or three places along with Atlantic city, uh,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 13: where you could actually go to casinos. Now, of course
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 13: that's changed and there are casinos all over the place.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 13: And now with the implementation of federalized legal gambling for now,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 13: who knows what's going to happen? Like, All of these
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 13: conversations about our local government trying to outlaw prediction markets
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 13: and such can pull up DraftKings right now. You can
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 13: put a bet on the BYU game right now on
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 13: DraftKings in Utah.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 13: It's not illegal here. For all the battles that they're
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 13: trying to undertake to make sure this thing is outlawed somehow.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 13: You can place a bet right now in the state
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 13: of Utah. And you can win money. Now you have
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 13: to pay taxes on it. You can get in trouble.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 13: Like if you hit a big parlay, if you hit
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 13: one of those DraftKings.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 8: $ 250, 000.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 13: Windows, you can withdraw the money from your DraftKings account
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 13: in your bank account, but you're going to have to
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 13: pay taxes on it or else that's the only area
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 13: you'll be in trouble. But let me land the plane
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 13: here because I'm getting lost. There's a reason why potentially
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 13: the greatest baseball player of all time was told you
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 13: are no longer allowed around this sport, okay? Pete Rose
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 13: gambled on his own team and had to wait till
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 13: he was dead to actually be ostracized, right? Because for
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 13: so long, commissioners, team owners, anybody involved in professional sports
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 13: ran the other way when gambling was mentioned as a
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 13: potential partner or even in the ecosystem at all. And
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 13: now you can't watch a damn game without a live
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 13: update on what the current spread is or over under
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 13: i mean we're hit over the head with.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: It now when is the last time anybody watched a
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: sports game without a budweiser commercial sure right i mean
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: when's the last time legitimately zero i mean in 1907
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: maybe like like prohibition It's new, so we're alarmed by it.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: And when weed is fully, fully legalized, it'll be the
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: same thing with that on television commercials or whatever. And
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: it'll be new, so we'll be alarmed by that. I
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: think that's where we're at with it. Maybe it is
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: more dangerous than alcohol.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's somewhere in
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: the middle.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's dangerous for a certain personality type and we
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: don't know enough about the psychology of it yet. Maybe
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: it's disproportionately, well, I think statistically we know it disproportionately
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: affects young men, and that's why Elder Christofferson, I hope
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: I got his title right, made a speech about it
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: at General Conference, right? Because this is like, there are
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: things that need, from a sports lens, I don't have
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: a problem with anybody placing a bet. I have a
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: massive problem with some of the stuff the Great Points
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: of Texas are bringing up that if a player or
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: a coach or a referee or a whomever is going
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: to change the way they do things because those bets
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: are being placed and that becomes easier because of the
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: general like pervasiveness of betting now in our culture. Now
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: we're having, now we're talking about a real problem that
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: affects even the non-betters, right? Because that's one thing that
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: you talk about with all these quote unquote vice players.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: situations is it's very easy to be like, well, if
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: I don't do it, it doesn't affect me.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: Your, your Smithers voice there.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Just walk past the bar. Don't worry that the bar
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: is there. Just don't go to the bar. The bar
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: won't affect you. Let other people go to the bar.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: If they want to go to the bar, right. The
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: bar won't affect you until it does until the drunk
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: guy stumbles out of the bar and wants to pick
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: a fight with you. And then you're just like, Oh,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. I didn't even engage in this, but
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: now it affects me.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: Like I, It's probably worth all of us, myself included,
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: opening up the possibility of going down the rabbit hole
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: and saying, what is the real outcome here? What is
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: the worst-case scenario? What's the best-case scenario? Where is the
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: worth in it? And at the end of the day,
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: nothing's going to change, but how we talk to our
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: kids about it seems important. How we talk to our
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: communities about it seems important. How it is handled by
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: these leagues seems very, very important.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: And I think.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: While it is a new frontier, I think that they're
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: doing a decent job of regulation at this moment, but
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: that's just based on the information we have, which is
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: not enough.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 13: Well, and remember the bottom line about why commissioners and
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 13: team owners and members of the Board of Governors in
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 13: professional leagues were so terrified to have gambling as part
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 13: of their ecosystem is it really is the one thing
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 13: It could potentially lead to consumers turning off the TV
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 13: or not going to games anymore, which is the potential
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 13: of them believing that your game is compromised. The potential
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 13: of them thinking the one thing that we might have
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 13: in society left is a meritocracy.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: Is a game.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 13: It's a football game is a basketball game where we
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 13: turn it on and we believe the greatest athletes in
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 13: the world are competing at the highest level against each other.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 13: And it is the ultimate in live drama because we
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 13: don't know the outcome. If those outcomes start to be
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 13: patently compromised, consumers and fans will stop watching and going.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: That was always what terrified Stern. And now every league
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: is in bed with all of them.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder how true that is, because the WWE is
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: huge and you can place bets on it.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 13: See, but that's not my I can't speak to that
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 13: because that's not my thing. If in the very reason
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 13: it's not my thing is because it's predetermined. But to
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 13: your point, it is big business.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: It's so I think you're right.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: I think I agree with that, that like as soon
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: as you start to doubt whether or not the integrity
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: of the sport is there. then you're probably going to
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: be turned off. I mean, we saw, we saw that
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: at the very beginning of the season with Western Michigan
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: getting jobbed and Michigan getting an extra play and everyone
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: just being like, hold on a minute. It didn't stop
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: anyone from watching college football this year, but it casts
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: some things in into doubt.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: And that's not good for the sport.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 13: But there will always be those things where it's like, okay,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 13: an official missed a call. Or, okay, Big Ten, you're
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 13: telling us you have a replay clock. We're not allowed
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 13: to see it, but you're telling us you have it.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: That's hard to believe.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 13: But is there anyone out there that fully believes that Michigan,
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 13: like the fix was in, somebody jobbed that game at
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  Speaker 13: the end for Michigan to get that win? I don't
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  Speaker 13: know that we can really go that far. Did it
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  Speaker 13: feel like the call was missed?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 13: As a fan, do you feel a little bit gaslit
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  Speaker 13: when the clock says zero.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, Oh, it says zero, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: really zero. Yeah, dude, we saw it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 13: So the explanation, the big 10 gave us is we
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  Speaker 13: have our own secret replay clock that you're not allowed
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  Speaker 13: to see in our secret replay clock at one set.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 13: Like that is a look, that's a little bit wild,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 13: but there's a big gap between that. And the fix
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  Speaker 13: was in a phone call was made by somebody to say, no,
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  Speaker 13: we've got to give Michigan one more chance. Cause they
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  Speaker 13: still had to get the, you know, JJ had to
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 13: catch the hail Mary and all that. The societal conversation, Sean,
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  Speaker 13: though I find interesting, and I'm no expert here, but
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 13: you remember that old show, may it rest in peace,
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 13: Real Sports, with Brian Gumbel on HBO?
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Where they were actually trying to.
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  Speaker 2: The most pompous of all sports shows in the world.
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  Speaker 13: Because he's a pompous individual, but they actually were doing
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 13: good investigative work. I mean, these were award-winning journalists that
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 13: actually did try to go do some journalism as opposed
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 13: to you know, release a country album called diary of
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 13: a polarizing figure, whatever the hell McAfee's out like journalism
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 13: once upon a time was different.
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  Speaker 1: And this is dated.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 13: Cause I think it was probably a decade ago when
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 13: I saw this show, they had to do away with
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 13: gambling in England, gambling on the premiership on EPL because
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 13: they did this entire piece on like, Men who had
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 13: families and homes and jobs that were now, like, homeless. Like,
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 13: dudes losing their families, losing their homes, taking out mortgages
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 13: on their flats.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: Apartments for the layman. There you go. In order to
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: place massive bets on, like, a Chelsea game. So they
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: did away with it. I don't know what the update is.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 13: I would imagine with how widespread the acceptance is now,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 13: you can probably gamble on EPL matches overseas.
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  Speaker 2: You could walk into, they have seven 11s where that's
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: all it is. You go in and you place a
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: bet over, over in London.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Like you walk past eight of them on any
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: high street.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: So I did there. You said flats. I said high street.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well played, sir. Cheers to you.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 13: So yeah, I mean, I mean, look back to, I
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 13: guess my original statement, I believe everyone should have the
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 13: right to choose as far as if you want to
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 13: place a bet, if you want to go to a bar,
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 13: If it's not your thing, it's fine, but let it
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 13: be other people's thing. If you don't want to place
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 13: a bet, that's fine. Just don't place the bet, but
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 13: let other people place the bet. I do believe society
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 13: should operate more that way. But there's also some really
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 13: interesting potential ramifications because there are some people that are
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 13: wired to not have the ability to decide that, okay,
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 13: after you just lost $ 200, shut it down. No, I'm
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 13: going to chase it. Okay, now I just lost $ 400.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 13: I can't throw $ 800. And then suddenly you're in the.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: Hole like $ 10, 000.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 13: And you don't have money to pay your bills or
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 13: put food on the table. Those things should be taken
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 13: into account. But I guess to bottom line this, because
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 13: I've probably kept you too long now. If you're clutching
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 13: your pearls about your favorite team or your favorite university,
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 13: potentially signing a sponsorship with a gambling company, you better
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 13: get over it. Because I can promise you, With the
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 13: situation Utah is in right now, meaning a deal consummated
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 13: with a private equity group, if DraftKings called Mark Harlan
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 13: today and said $ 10 million to put DraftKings on Rice-Eccles Stadium,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 13: Mark's going to say yes to that. They have to
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 13: find ways to create revenue because I'm telling you, in
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 13: a few years.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: This bill is coming due, man.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 13: These private equity guys aren't here to rise and shout
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 13: and say family on three. They're here to see what
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 13: sort of return they can make on their investment as
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 13: a result of the cash infusion they gave the university.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 13: And we still don't know those numbers, Sean, but I
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 13: can tell you these guys are about one thing and
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 13: one thing only, and I know a bunch of them.
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 13: What's this look like in five or six years when
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 13: the bill comes due? And if a $ 10 million partnership
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 13: with a sportsbook is part of generating revenue to make
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 13: that right, they'll do it.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 1: Will the conference ever allow it? Absolutely.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 13: Brett Yormark reeks of a guy that has shares in DraftKings, dude.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: He probably started PrizePix. That's a good point.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: The Big 12 will be the first one to break
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: down the walls.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 13: Can we get odds on which conference is going to
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 13: be first? I'll put it all on the Big 12.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: You're betting on who allows betting. Exactly.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: That's really, really meta. All right, stay tuned for The Drive.
• 2:37:23
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• 2:37:26
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• 2:37:28
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• 2:37:31
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