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The Late Debate | 16 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Light Debate. Hello and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Danika DiGiorgio, joined by broadcaster Lucy Zelich and Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Waverley City Councillor Michelle Stevenson. It is night three of
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  Speaker 2: the all-female panel again.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's ladies night. It's ladies night.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. Here we go. How are you both?
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  Speaker 1: I am living the dream.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 3: How good's that?
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  Speaker 1: That's what we want to hear.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, life is really, really good. I think if
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  Speaker 1: you say it enough, you believe it.
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  Speaker 3: You believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a good motto. Perhaps we could
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  Speaker 2: also aspire for that.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the political parties, chief among them may be
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  Speaker 4: the Albanese government, if they say it enough... If they
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  Speaker 4: deny it enough, then they'll believe in their own powers
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  Speaker 4: and abilities.
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  Speaker 1: If you build it, they will come.
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  Speaker 3: No one's coming anymore, though.
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  Speaker 1: Doing the same thing over and over and eventually you
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  Speaker 1: just hope for the best. That seems to be the motto.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm back.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we're all back at this point.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, a Kenyan woman living in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales faces being separated from her son as her visitor
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  Speaker 2: visa is set to expire in the next few months.
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  Speaker 2: Should she be allowed to stay in the country or not?
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  Speaker 2: or are immigration rules in place for a reason? The
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  Speaker 2: Victorian government decriminalises begging, leaving councils with limited options to
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  Speaker 2: deal with people begging or sleeping on the streets. And
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  Speaker 2: former AFL star Ben Cousins is dumped from public speaking
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  Speaker 2: events because of.
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  Speaker 1: His criminal convictions.
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  Speaker 2: Should we forgive those who have rehabilitated or not? But first,
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  Speaker 2: Labor has spent years demonising gas, despite the fact we
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  Speaker 2: are sitting on an abundance of it and we need
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  Speaker 2: it to fill the renewables gap. But now apparently it's
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  Speaker 2: a public health risk. Doctors for the Environment Australia wants
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  Speaker 2: Labor to rule out new gas projects and phase out
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  Speaker 2: gas appliances, claiming 12.3% of childhood asthma can be attributed
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  Speaker 2: to gas cooking. Now, a report by the group says
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  Speaker 2: hospitality workers are at risk of high exposure to harmful
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  Speaker 2: pollutants from gas stoves in poorly ventilated kitchens, while workers
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  Speaker 2: in mining, manufacturing and laboratory settings face other gas-related risks.
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  Speaker 2: It also says that adults are at increased risk of
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  Speaker 2: persistent asthma and shortness of breath from exposure to burning gas. Well, gee,
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  Speaker 2: this must be music to Chris Bowen's ears. Doctors for
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  Speaker 2: the Environment Australia executive director, Dr Kate Wiley, said gas
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  Speaker 2: is not clean or safe. It can harm our health
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  Speaker 2: at every stage of its life cycle. We need a
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  Speaker 2: clear plan to phase out this polluting fuel and support
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  Speaker 2: households and businesses to to transition to clean energy such
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  Speaker 2: as solar and wind. Now, look, in my view, this
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  Speaker 2: is madness, right? We can't just phase out gas without
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  Speaker 2: a plan to keep the lights on.
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  Speaker 1: The more we rely on renewables, the more we need
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  Speaker 1: gas generation.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that gas prices are high in the
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  Speaker 2: country because the majority of our local gas is sold
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  Speaker 2: to international markets. So, look, with gas so expensive, we
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  Speaker 2: could actually really do with a little thing called coal,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that big, bad fuel being driven out of
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  Speaker 2: the market before this renewables-only fantasy is ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we've got these green groups.
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  Speaker 2: They're carrying on about the health and environmental risks, but
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  Speaker 2: the reality is gas is an efficient energy source, in
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  Speaker 2: my view. It's available 24-7. It's not affected, certainly, by
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  Speaker 2: other disruptions to electricity supply.
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  Speaker 1: And governments are worried.
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  Speaker 2: We know, of course, there's been several new projects, the
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  Speaker 2: Beedaloo Basin in the Northern Territory. There's also Woodside's Northwest
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  Speaker 2: Shelf Project as well. So the question, Michelle, is do
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  Speaker 2: we need to be phasing out gas for our health?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that it is an absolute issue
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to children. My child, for example, had
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  Speaker 1: asthma when he was younger and we ended up getting
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  Speaker 1: an indoor air quality monitor because we were using gas.
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  Speaker 1: We used gas for our heating. And let me tell you,
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  Speaker 1: that thing was going off every half hour and we
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  Speaker 1: would have to then ventilate. because the CO2 was backing up.
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  Speaker 1: So you'd be surprised at how quickly gas contributes to
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  Speaker 1: pollutants in your environment, particularly when you've got young children.
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  Speaker 1: So there are those issues around that. But look, I
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  Speaker 1: get what you're saying. You do need to make sure
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  Speaker 1: you have access to other forms of energy. But gas
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  Speaker 1: is also quite expensive. I mean, our gas bill is
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  Speaker 1: astronomical at the moment. They are saying that if you
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  Speaker 1: do move to an electrified household, it is a cheaper option.
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  Speaker 1: And I think at this point in time... A cheaper
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  Speaker 1: option where?
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  Speaker 3: It is... Depending upon which state or territory you live.
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  Speaker 1: In, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I get that. But, like, I think you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: We need to make sure that we've got that extra
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  Speaker 1: energy accounted for. But electrified houses are also easier to
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  Speaker 1: mix with solar. And we do know solar on the
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  Speaker 1: house does work and it does aid in bringing those
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  Speaker 1: costs down as well. OK. I know.
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  Speaker 3: Here's where.
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  Speaker 1: She's already ready.
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  Speaker 3: She's mad at me already. I'm not mad at you.
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  Speaker 4: When you subscribe to a democracy, you allow everyone to
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  Speaker 4: have a viewpoint on things. I take your points and
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  Speaker 4: I respectfully disagree with them. Not about the issues with
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  Speaker 4: your son, though, if you've observed that quite clearly it's
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  Speaker 4: been a health issue for him. I mean, I was
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  Speaker 4: someone that was an asthma sufferer as a child and
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  Speaker 4: it never impacted me, but that's a separate issue. Now... Firstly,
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  Speaker 4: I hadn't heard of the Doctors for the Environment Australia,
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  Speaker 4: so I actually started looking into them, and we heard
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  Speaker 4: a couple of the quotes there, but here's a few
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  Speaker 4: more to kind of tantalise you and get you around
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  Speaker 4: who these.
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  Speaker 3: People really are. Here's a quote from the DEA.
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  Speaker 4: In September 2025, we heard from Dr Kate Wiley there,
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  Speaker 4: you quoted her, Danika. She's the executive director and she
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  Speaker 4: was quoted as saying, meeting the challenges of climate change
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  Speaker 4: is the most important health intervention our government can make.
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  Speaker 4: Climate change is an immediate and direct threat.
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  Speaker 3: Another one in August of 2024, she also went on
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  Speaker 3: to say.
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  Speaker 4: Coal, oil and gas are also the main drivers of
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  Speaker 4: escalating climate change, which is behind extreme weather such as
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  Speaker 4: heat floods and bushfires. And to address the impacts of
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  Speaker 4: fossil fuels, we must first quit coal, oil and gas.
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  Speaker 3: And then they.
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  Speaker 4: Also submitted a pre-budget paper in 2022, 2023, where they
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  Speaker 4: were making recommendations to the government, advising them to provide
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  Speaker 4: incentives for electric vehicles and to start phasing out internal
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  Speaker 4: combustion engines and to impose heavier duties for heavier vehicles
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  Speaker 4: and those running on internal combustion engines.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the first point to be made.
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  Speaker 4: Now we know who these people are and what they're saying.
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  Speaker 3: With all due respect, I think these days.
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  Speaker 4: particularly out of the COVID era and, in fact, many,
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  Speaker 4: many decades beforehand in which doctors were pushing cigarettes and
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  Speaker 4: suggesting which ones were the right brands to smoke, people
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  Speaker 4: are coming at this with a lot more scrutiny, which
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  Speaker 4: is why when I saw who these people were and
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  Speaker 4: what they.
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  Speaker 3: Were genuinely about, there's a clear agenda there.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: They are anti-coal, gas.
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  Speaker 4: And oil, which, by the way, is a part of 91%
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  Speaker 4: of the country's energy mix. Yes. So there is a
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  Speaker 4: clear agenda here from them.
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  Speaker 3: I get that... to try and point to all these
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  Speaker 3: health issues.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't negate the fact that there are actual
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  Speaker 1: health issues at play. We know that doctors for many,
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  Speaker 1: many years have been pointing out the health issues that
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  Speaker 1: come with having gas in your house. Like the pollutants,
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  Speaker 1: the CO2, the nitrous oxide, those things do go into
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  Speaker 1: closed environments.
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  Speaker 3: They do, but they're also cleaner.
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  Speaker 1: Question then.
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  Speaker 2: Why should it not be up to the individual in
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  Speaker 2: a household to decide what form of resource that they want?
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  Speaker 1: Well, because a lot of people, particularly I'm a renter, right,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't have a choice. If I'm moving into
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  Speaker 1: a house that is already hooked up to gas, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a choice over that. Right, but I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: in new home buildings. But you can choose not to
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  Speaker 1: live there, Michelle. If you're building a new home, why?
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of state governments are going that way. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Lucy's Alice just said I could choose not to live there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lucy, have you seen the rental market? You
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  Speaker 1: don't get a choice.
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  Speaker 3: I have, because I'm also a rental.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but, like, you don't get a choice.
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  Speaker 3: But if it's that big of an issue, then.
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  Speaker 4: And it's in the interest of the safety and health
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  Speaker 4: of the child, then you're not going to move into.
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  Speaker 3: The home with gas.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't help it. We're very lucky now that
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  Speaker 1: we have moved into a house that has the reverse
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  Speaker 1: cycle heating, which I'm very thankful for, so we could
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  Speaker 1: put that CO2 monitoring away. But we were quite stringent
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  Speaker 1: and we were shocked... and how much pollutant was in
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  Speaker 1: the air with those gas heaters. You'd be surprised at
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  Speaker 1: what they actually are putting in the air.
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  Speaker 2: But the question is, we've got states across the country now,
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  Speaker 2: they're implementing rules for new home builds, that they have
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  Speaker 2: to be electrified, that gas is being phased out, they
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  Speaker 2: have to be. And my argument's always been, but isn't
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  Speaker 2: it up to the person building the home as to
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  Speaker 2: what source of energy they want? I mean, why should
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  Speaker 2: it be up to a government to dictate to you
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  Speaker 2: at home what sources of.
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  Speaker 1: Energy you should have in your home.
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  Speaker 2: If you're spending so much money building a home, paying
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money to hook up the energy network,
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  Speaker 2: then you should be.
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  Speaker 1: Able to choose. But we also know that having an
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  Speaker 1: electrified household is probably going to be cheaper in the
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  Speaker 1: long run, and there's a lot of pressure right now.
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  Speaker 3: But is it going to be cheaper in the long run?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just.
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  Speaker 4: I keep hearing this statement, and then I look at
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  Speaker 4: the energy prices in South Australia and the ACT, for example, right,
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  Speaker 4: which are the highest in the country.
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  Speaker 3: and they are pro all-in renewables.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I'm not talking about renewables. But that's... But
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  Speaker 1: that's in the same vein of electrification. Well, not really, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in New South Wales, we're not fully reliant
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  Speaker 1: on renewables, but a lot of people are putting solar,
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  Speaker 1: and solar is really helpful in getting those household... bills
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  Speaker 1: down as well when it comes to power. But it
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  Speaker 1: only works half the time. I understand that. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: that mixed with an electrified household will keep your prices down.
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  Speaker 1: Gas is really, really high at the moment. Really, really high.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the challenge for us as a country. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: we're doing is actually exporting it.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. And then buying it back.
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  Speaker 4: We should be actually extracting and using it in the country.
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  Speaker 3: And that is part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: We push it overseas and then we pay double to
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  Speaker 1: bring it back.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I say we need gas to fill
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  Speaker 2: the gaps of this renewables energy fantasy that we're on
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  Speaker 2: with no plan B to keep the.
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  Speaker 1: Lights on in the country. Agreed. I think we can
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  Speaker 1: all agree on that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just stop telling us what to do.
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  Speaker 4: If I want gas and I want to cook with it,
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  Speaker 4: and by the way, it cooks my schnitzels a hell
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  Speaker 4: of a lot better than what it does.
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  Speaker 1: On the left.
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  Speaker 3: It does cook better.
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  Speaker 1: It does cook better. I agree.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much. It's also cleaner than coal and oil. Anyways,
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  Speaker 4: moving on to this story. This one was a really
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  Speaker 4: challenging run, right, for all the parents out there. And
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  Speaker 4: even if you're not a parent to hear this story,
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  Speaker 4: it will definitely pull at your heartstrings. But it also
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  Speaker 4: will draw into conversation the issue around immigration and how
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  Speaker 4: do we feel about this and applying the rules when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to immigration. A northern New South Wales family
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  Speaker 4: is pleading for special consideration now from immigration authorities to
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  Speaker 4: prevent the separation of a six-year-old boy from his mother.
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  Speaker 4: Kenyan citizen Leah Wambui-Sore came to Australia on a visitor
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  Speaker 4: visa in January to be with her son, Thanasi. She
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  Speaker 4: has now been told her extended tourist visa expires on
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  Speaker 4: December 1 and she must leave the country. Meanwhile, her
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  Speaker 4: application for a 143 contributory parent visa has been lodged,
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  Speaker 4: but the waiting time for it to be assessed.
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  Speaker 3: is more than a decade.
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  Speaker 4: And they're saying that Thanasi, her son, has no understanding
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  Speaker 4: of immigration caps or migration policy.
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  Speaker 3: He just knows he wants her to stay.
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  Speaker 4: The story, for more context surrounding this, is that her
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  Speaker 4: son was actually born in Kenya and the father is
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  Speaker 4: of Australian citizenship and they made, collectively as a family,
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  Speaker 4: the decision for the father and the son, Thanasi, to
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  Speaker 4: come to Australia for a better life. I very much
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  Speaker 4: sympathise with this mother because nobody wants to be separated
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  Speaker 4: from their child.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't. It is absolutely heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 4: But can I tell you something? As a child of
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  Speaker 4: immigrants who came here and followed the rules to the
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  Speaker 4: letter of the law, My mother and father had just
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  Speaker 4: gotten married. Three months after they had been married, my
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  Speaker 4: father's visa was approved and he was allowed to come
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  Speaker 4: to Australia on a working.
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  Speaker 1: Visa, right?
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  Speaker 3: He was brought here as a skilled worker.
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  Speaker 4: My mother had to wait two years before she could
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  Speaker 4: come here. But again, she followed the rule and the
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  Speaker 4: letter of the law. This is hard because I'm a
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  Speaker 4: parent and I can't ever imagine being.
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  Speaker 3: Thrust in this situation.
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  Speaker 4: But if we start to, Danika, make individual decisions dispensations
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  Speaker 4: and exceptions based on stories, we will end up with.
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  Speaker 3: Thousands, if not tens of thousands, of more people.
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  Speaker 4: In a country that is already under pressure because of
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  Speaker 4: mass migration and the impact that that's having on infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: We've spoken about it this week.
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  Speaker 4: The issue of 80,000 people who are unlawfully still in
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  Speaker 4: this country, over 400,000 people on bridging visas and using
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  Speaker 4: the system to hop from visa to visa.
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  Speaker 3: This is a sticky situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You obviously sympathise you would never want a parent and
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  Speaker 2: a child to ever be split up. So my heart
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  Speaker 2: goes out to this mother. But as you mentioned, Lucy,
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  Speaker 2: they made a collective decision to come to this country
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  Speaker 2: as a family. Now, with that, you should know that
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  Speaker 2: at some point visas are going to expire. You're not
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  Speaker 2: just going to be able to rock up to a country,
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  Speaker 2: freeload and stay forever. You know that your time is
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  Speaker 2: going to be temporary. So this shouldn't necessarily come as
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  Speaker 2: a shock to any of the family members here.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 2: Again, I sympathise, but once you open the door to
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  Speaker 2: one family, suddenly you've got to open the door to
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  Speaker 2: every single other person who wants to stay in this country,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: who wants to overstay their visa. I'm sorry, we don't
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  Speaker 2: have the room to fit everybody in. We can't get
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  Speaker 2: everyday Aussies into houses as it is. Our housing market
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  Speaker 2: is under pressure. Migration has absolutely had a significant impact
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  Speaker 2: on the cost of living crisis. Labor is not achieving
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  Speaker 2: not one of its housing targets. Apparently Tony Burke's going
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  Speaker 2: to announce his long-awaited migration policy tomorrow. Let's wait and
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  Speaker 2: see the devil in the detail. Again, my heart goes
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  Speaker 2: out to the family, Michelle, But I'm sorry you made
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  Speaker 2: a decision to come to this country knowing what the
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  Speaker 2: consequences would be once your visa does eventually end.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I don't think that this is about that. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying there. I think what the
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  Speaker 1: issue is here is that you're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: make a child wait more than a decade for their
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  Speaker 1: mother to find out about whether she will get this visa.
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  Speaker 1: I think the issue is with the system itself. I
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  Speaker 1: think the fact that there's such a backlog.
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  Speaker 3: that.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to take over a decade for a visa
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  Speaker 1: to be processed. You said two years for your mother.
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  Speaker 3: Two years.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure if she got told it'd be two years,
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  Speaker 1: you would leave and you would wait it out and
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  Speaker 1: you would come back.
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  Speaker 3: This was in the 1970s.
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  Speaker 4: Looking at migration levels back then, we were in the
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  Speaker 4: tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands.
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  Speaker 1: They were begging for migrants. Absolutely, and I understand that. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: over a decade, there should be ability to look at
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  Speaker 1: individual circumstances. The child's interests should be primary in this instance.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they need special dispensation.
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  Speaker 1: I just say that it shouldn't be looked at collectively.
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  Speaker 4: So if the backlog's already an issue, how much effort
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  Speaker 4: and resources do you think are then going to have
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  Speaker 4: to go into looking at every individual case who will
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: most likely plead the same solemn story, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is the problem with the system
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: itself and this is the conversations that we need to
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: be having. that the migration system is absolutely not working.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: It's broken.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely broken. And the fact that it's taken this
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: long for anyone, anyone to fix it is mind-boggling to
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: me because we do know at the next election it's
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: going to be migration. People are concerned with this issue.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And I think we have every right to be concerned
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: with this issue. But the system itself needs fixing. And
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we should be punishing a child,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: a six-year-old child, for that system being broken.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: But don't... And I agree, we can't punish a child,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: but then as a mum and dad, probably should have
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: thought about the consequences.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Do you not think that... I know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: She was not... She's not a citizen of this country.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: So knowing the risks of coming here on a visa,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the likelihood of you being accepted as... into this country
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: or to be able to stay longer was going to
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: be very.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Limited in itself. Look, we've seen this before.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Remember the Biloela family over in Queensland? There was a
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: massive community campaign to get the family to stay and
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: eventually they did.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I think they set it over in Western Australia.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: This is a family here. And that was a huge effort,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: huge effort by the family. And, yes, they ended up
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: staying here. But, you know, once you start making provisions
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: for one, you have to start making provisions for every
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: man and their dog.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: But also they went to Christmas Island and the daughter
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: had to be flown to Perth because she got so sick.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: because she got an infection while they were there. Like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: they went through some really tough times to end up
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: staying here. It wasn't like they were just handed a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: visa in the end.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: No, but the thing that I don't like when it
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: comes to this is that, and again, it's very easy
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to get caught up in the heartstring situation, particularly as parents,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: but can I tell you something? And it's not to
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: criticise this mother in any way, shape or form, because
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I know many families who left their countries, including my own,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: for a better life.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I could never.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Put myself in a situation, quite honestly, where I would
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: willingly separate myself from my child.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I could never either.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Knowing, knowing full well that it could put me in
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a situation where, because of these countries' existing laws, I
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: could not get access to a visa and be allowed
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: to stay... I get that... for at least a decade long, right?
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Because it's quite clear that it says here, the Department
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: of Home Affairs website states.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the final processing time for this class of visa that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: this family.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Applied for, 143, which cost them... 50 grand, right?
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: It's not a cheap exercise, but it's estimated to be
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: 15 years, while the wait time for a parent or
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: aged parent visa is 33 years. So at what point
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: do we say, right, when families make these heartbreaking decisions
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: to separate themselves, right, that We've got to look into
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: what the laws are of this country and we've got
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: to roll the dice on this, that we may end
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: up being separated and I may have to miss out
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: on my child's life and be separated from them. I
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: hate that we strip responsibility from the people who are
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: making these decisions.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: There's got to be personal responsibility in there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But we don't do that anymore, Danika.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: There has to be personal responsibility in it. We as
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a country cannot afford to keep the welcome mat open.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: We have been very tolerant, and I've said this before,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: we're very tolerant people. But eventually the tolerance wears thin.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do get that. I understand that as well.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But it's different when you live in countries of extreme poverty.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It's a completely different mindset.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: But can I be awful and just say, why is
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that Australia's problem? It's not Australia's problem.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. But also, I do... But we're
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: made to feel guilty for everything. Because I have empathy,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. You're allowed to have that. And I
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: have an abundance of compassion.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: My neighbour up the road, beautiful people, right, came here.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: They were granted asylum when war broke out in Croatia,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: former Yugoslavia.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I have compassion.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: But, again, we're at a point now where we need
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: to scrutinise this for the betterment and the preservation of
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: our country.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, let's move on to Victoria now because we
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: love a little Victorian story. And the Lord Mayor, Nick Rees,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: is kind of a bit upset with the state government
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: because what they've done is they've decriminalised homelessness. Now, why
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: this is an issue was these rules were in place.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So because it was criminal, it meant that the council
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: had special powers to kind of move people on. Now,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: he's not saying that he wants to... arrest homeless people,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: but what he is saying was it allowed them the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: opportunity to engage with homeless people and get people... on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the front lines to move them on, so to speak. So,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: what we're seeing here, and this is a perfect example,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we see it time and time again, where the state
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: government quite often makes decisions that affect local governments without
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: ever consulting or interacting with local governments at that level.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And we, as local government electives... electors, are there to pick.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Up the pieces.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So, for me, I completely understand what he is... where
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: he's coming from here. I know, and Waverley, We have
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: our own little system. It's called the Homelessness in Public Places,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: so we can move people on. But what it does,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: more importantly, is we allow... How does it work, out
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of curiosity? So, basically, we have our council officers who
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: go there, they interact with them, and then they get
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: them services and they get them help. So, it's about
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: maintaining their dignity and making sure that they're safe, but
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: also having them understand that they can't really sleep where
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: they're sleeping. Particularly down in Bondi, down at the Bondi
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Beach Pavilion, we do tend to get a lot of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: homeless people because there is quite a lot of shelter there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But it's about moving people on and making sure that
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: they have spaces that they can go.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Are they open to the.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're open to the elements, but it is quite
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: sheltered as well.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: So... Sorry, open to the process of being moved in.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So we do.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We have, like, a lot of great systems around that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: will come out and will engage with them. I think
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: most people, or most homeless people, don't want to be
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: living out on the streets unless, you know... And, of course,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there's going to be mental health issues as well. So here,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: this is another instance where the state government has come in,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: made a declaration without consulting the local council. And the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: local council is now there going, well, how do we
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: deal with this moving forward? Because you've essentially stripped us
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of all powers. And so now the council has to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: look at ways and mechanisms that they have to put
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: into place themselves.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, look, the thing is, and I often think in
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: this situation, again, you can sympathise with people who are living.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Rough, right? And you do. And there's more and more now.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And there's more.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Well, we're seeing it with this cost of living crisis.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But help is always available.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing. And I do get your point.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I think that they are pushing it onto councils saying,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: here you go, this is your problem. And it seems
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that Nick Rees is always at war with the Victorian government.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: We've got to like him.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I think we've got to like him.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And absolutely everything. And you know what, for once I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: actually agree with Nick Rees.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think he's having a.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Real hard time because he's banging his head against a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: wall when it comes to Victorian government. But we cannot
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: allow our streets to.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Be like this. We just can't.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: We need to do something and it is up to
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: us to have that responsibility to help others out. The
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: help is always available and by decriminalising it and by
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: pushing it onto councils, Councils can only do so much
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and this is the key issue here.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: You know what really is upsetting to me, particularly in
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the context of Victoria, right, and to see that this
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: is an issue. I've got friends and family that live
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: down there that talk a lot about the rate of
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: homelessness and just how... dirty and grubby the streets are
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: becoming I mean I don't even want to go down
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the path of potholes that's just devastating and what we
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: saw over the weekend the loss of Tiki Peter Mason
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: who just wanted to go out on a motorbike ride
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: with his mate and was killed in that tragic accident
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: awful that state is in such moral and ethical and
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: economic decay isn't it it's devastating but When you consider
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the amount of money that has been misspent down there,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you consider that by the end of the decade, so
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: by 2030, they'll be in what's.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Going to tip over $ 200.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Billion worth of debt, some of the worst in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: country in terms of state debt. Then you've got this
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: issue of the CFMEU corruption and the allegations that have
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: been made there and the allegations of at least $ 15
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: billion being washed through all of this. You've got Victorian
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: politicians spending $ 40, 000 on dining tables for Parliament House.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Down there, $ 2. 6 million on pot plants.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: $ 60, 000 on, $ 600, 000 actually, dollars on coffee machines. I mean,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I've gone off about this before on my own social media,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: but they don't have the resources to deal with homelessness
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: on the streets and to focus on the real issues
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: like roads. And these issues within the city that are
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: gripping the state, I mean, four, shame on you down there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Well, they can't even fix the potholes that have killed
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a man. And then now we've got Premier Ben Carroll
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: taking on a coalition stance where he wants to enforce
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Jack's law, which will give police officers the right to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: search offenders or alleged offenders, I should say. with metal
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: detectors and the like to see if there's any kind
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of knives. I mean, God, talk about closing the barn
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: door before the horse is bolted. What about the machete bins?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, they worked so well.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, terrific. I mean, God... Millions on those. Like, millions
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: on those.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And then all they could have done is, like, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: followed a coalition stance and just said... hey, why don't
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you let people just search?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, so this is called Jack's Law. This
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: has been in place in Queensland.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, it has. Named after Jack. Named exactly after a victim, right?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Now, my question is, because Jacinta Allen, the former Premier,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the former Victorian Premier.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: She rejected Jack's Law.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: She was very adamant about it. So the question needs
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to be asked of Ben Carroll. Did he back Jack's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Law in Cabinet before Jacinta Allen rejected it? Well, the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: timing here is very skew-iff in my view. So this
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: seems like it's one of his 11th hour ploys. There
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: was new polling as well suggesting Labor is not doing well, that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: We are now.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: He's not the preferred Premier. He's not the preferred Premier.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Two months away from an election, he's gone, we are
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely in strife.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, aha, Jack's law. Hang on a second. Your former
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: leader rejected it. So did you.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And he was the deputy there, right?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And he was the deputy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So obviously he knew about it. And again, we keep
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: seeing this with Carol. I'm all about transparency, he tells us.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: No, no, remember it was integrity is no longer optional
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: under my government.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: He's not honest about everything that he used to back
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: or do under Jacinta Allen.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: You know, the way I'm going to refer to him now,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: his nickname that I'm giving him is Chameleon Carol. Oh!
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Because he will shapeshift, he will mould himself into whatever
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: he needs to be to get himself elected at this point.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I just.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's cutting through with the voters. You
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: can quite clearly see that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: He's trying.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's certainly trying, for goodness sake. Again, Chameleon Carroll,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: because he's doing everything that he can, as I said,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: to shapeshift and mould himself into someone that he thinks
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: the Victorians will be able to trust now. But that's
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: very difficult to sell down a river that you've already
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: polluted while you've been there in government.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: So it's just.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: It's devastating, as I said, to see what's happened in
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Victoria and the state that that has become.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Karma Chameleon.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Karma Chameleon.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Might get Ben Carroll come November. I've done too much
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: singing on this program.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Haven't we all? Haven't we all?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: OK, look, let's move on.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about AFL legend Ben Cousins because
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: he has been dumped from two speaking events.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Because of his previous criminal convictions.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Now, he had been set to talk at the George
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Hotel in Ballarat. The event was advertised as Ben Cousins
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: opening up like never before, life behind bars, exile from
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the AFL. his turning point, his fight back, and I
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: guess it was this whole journey of redemption. They came
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: under significant backlash from members of the community as well
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: as pub patrons, saying a man with criminal convictions should
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: not be allowed to speak. Now, Ben Cousins has criminal
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: convictions for domestic violence offences, including stalking as well as
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: breaching a restraining order in regards to his former partner.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: That was the first incident The second, a second speaking engagement,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the company has also dumped him from that. So this
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: was at St Bernard's Old Collegians Association. It was an
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: AFL Grand Final Eve lunch at Moonee Ponds Club.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They too have dumped him for the same reason.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: The initial pub in Ballarat, the George Hotel, they've released
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: a statement. They say, the George Hotel has heard the anger,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: disappointment and hurt expressed following our decision to host Ben
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Cousins as a guest speaker. We recognise that decisions about
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: who is given a public platform carry particular significance for women,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: victim survivors and others affected by domestic violence. We understand
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: why members of our community have questioned what this event represents.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It goes on to say they were not considered carefully enough. Now,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I want to show you what Ben Cousins said only
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a month ago about his redemption, and you won't see
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it in the clip, but in it he's actually speaking
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to swimmer Scott Miller, who won silver and bronze back
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta in 1996 but became addicted to ecstasy and heroin.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not someone that's needed a second chance. I've needed
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: a second, third, fourth. How long have we got? But
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: that's what, unfortunately, it had to run its course. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: I'd like to think that I can be part of
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: providing a bit of support and help for those that
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: need it like I did.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Now, look, Ben Cousins has been given multiple chances. As
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a young reporter in Perth, I was in and out
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of courtrooms when Ben was off his.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Chops, right?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: He was huge back then.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Huge.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's very big in very, very big ways. You know, Ben,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you know, huge, huge story. But my question is, at
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: what point do we not... give somebody a chance. This
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: is a man who, in my view, has rehabilitated himself
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and I am not excusing his past behaviour. I am
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: not condoning it by any reason, by any breadth here.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: What he has done in the past is disgusting, it's despicable.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But this is a.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Man who has fixed his career. He is a commentator
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: at Channel 7 over in Western Australia.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: And there was backlash to that too, by the way.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of backlash to it, but by
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: all means, this is a fit and healthy man. He
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: has tried to get himself back on track. He's got
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: two young kids as well. If he can help one
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: person overcome addiction.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: If he can help one.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Person better their lives who are in the path or
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: have gone down the pathway that he has, I'm sorry,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: but why should he not be allowed to speak?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I just don't think that rehabilitation entitles you to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: access to a public platform or having a microphone or
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a commercial arrangement. I think, you know, making money.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Off of your.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: But is he asking for that entitlement though, Michelle?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Making money off your past mistakes I think is a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: real issue. I thought I was under the assumption that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: some of this was paid public speaking... So I think
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that if you're making money off what you have done
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in the past, that is going to be triggering to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: some women and I can see why some people would
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: not be happy with it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So we just don't forgive people who have bettered their
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: lives and actually people can look up to?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You can better your life. It doesn't mean you have
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: to be in the public constantly talking about it because
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I think... At the end of the day, some people...
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And we have a real rich history in this area,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: particularly in Australia, of sports stars, male sports stars, doing
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: wrong and then being given a redemption ticket. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they seem to be... We forget about all the bad
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: things that they've done real quick. And I think... Do we, though?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I can rattle off a lot of rugby league players
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: who have been allowed back into the public eye... and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: also some of the women. I mean, you know, you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: spoke about, you know, Sam Kerr, for example, as well.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I did. I think that there can be.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: No, but, like, sports stars, in particular in Australia, are
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: given a real quick redemption song.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing, right?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: If he was being given financial reward to come and
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: stand in a room full of people.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And glorify his past.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: and talk about how we didn't feel any remorse and that,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: you know, he was a victim in all of this.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: That's one thing.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: But if he's standing up there and addressing these people,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't hear anything from this report. He was talking
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: about how he was actually going to talk about his
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: journey and his story and how it wasn't all glamorous
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: and that he owned his mistakes. That's someone that's taking
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: accountability and that, as Danika rightly pointed out, if that's
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: someone who can share their story to inspire others to
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: either get back on the straight and narrow or to
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: not consider going down a really ridiculous path.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: then isn't that a good thing?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Isn't that something that he's doing to try and correct
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the path? I mean, how long do we have to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: keep hanging people over the coals for something that they've done,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: particularly when they've taken ownership of it? And, by the way,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: that's not a blank cheque for everything and anyone now, but.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: In his instance, you know, he's owned his mistakes. He's
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: served time. I get that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: He's gone through the system. And the system, the whole
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: point of the system... is geared towards rehabilitation. That's what
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: jail and these programs are designed to do.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Well, then donate your time and do that and tell
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: your story, but do it as a way of giving back.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't get the vibe that that's what he's doing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So the guy can't ever earn a living now, though?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: You can absolutely earn a living, but if you're all
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: about your redemption story and your rehabilitation, then it shouldn't
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: come with a dollar sign. But, I mean, that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: To be fair, I think that that is part of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: his story now. That's part of who he is. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that's something he has to... He has to live with
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: his mistakes his entire life. And I think that he
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: has owned his mistakes.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Of course. I think very, very clearly he's talking publicly
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, I've had... How many chances? He said,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I've had a third, a fourth, a fifth chance. Yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I just think at what point do we go, you
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: We.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: We've got to at one point say he's tried his best.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He's trying.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: And again, he's not shying away from owning those mistakes.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: So that's where I feel it would be different. If
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: he's glorifying things and playing the victim, that's a different story.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Let's move on.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: To the next one, though. We talked about... Third, fourth,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: second chances.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: But how many chances are One Nation going to need
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: to get it right in this instance?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Because we've seen a.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Really difficult interview play out with One Nation leader, New
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: South Wales One Nation leader Mike Newman this week. He
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: stumbled through a bit of a train wreck of interview,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: it has to be said, on abortion in which he
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: was unable to cite basic statistics about abortion. his claims
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and of course a lot of this came off the
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: back of his attendance at the Sydney Christian Rally which
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: was a pro-life rally that took place in Sydney overnight
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: led by pro-life activist Dr Joanna Howe who we've seen
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: here quite frequently on News 24 but I want you
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: to take a look at some of the comments that
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: he made at the rally.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: I want to make sure that same-sex abortion is stopped.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: We want to.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: Make sure that people have the right to life. We
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: will make sure there is right to life. We will
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: make sure that everyone here is supported by the One
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Nation government and is working for you to make sure
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: that babies live.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: So James Ashby wasn't around with his mop to clean
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that one up, but Mike Newman was, and here was
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: his follow-up on AM Agenda.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: I poorly worded that. The One Nation policy is pretty simple.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: We're against sex-selective abortion and late-term abortion. That's it. It's
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: not about a blanket ban. So my remarks there, obviously
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: in a crowd of 10,000 people, I guess I spoke
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: out of turn. You call it a foot-in-the-mouth moment. It
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: seems to be the going term.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: And elsewhere, he couldn't actually get into statistics with Laura
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: about some of these sex-selective abortions and how many were
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: actually occurring in New South Wales. I think he threw
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: out the figure of 40%, but I haven't seen personally
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: that figure thrown around, so it would be interesting to
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: see where he got that data from, but then conceded that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: He didn't know he... said I'm not going to make
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: a guess and be wrong.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Are we starting to sense a bit of a theme
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: here with One Nation that if it's not Pauline that
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: the rest of the candidates are struggling to pull their weight?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Well, look what happened with David Farley when he made
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: his stumbles on immigration only a couple of weeks ago
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and he's made other blunders like when he voted with
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the Teals and the Grey. You can't make this stuff up.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I know, you can't. You can't make this stuff up.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: What is it going to take? More media training? More
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: team talks?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Do you think this is actually going to hurt them?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That's the question.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's an odd one, right, because I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: people are disillusioned and angry and they just want to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: vote One Nation regardless. But I do think that some
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: people are going to take notice and this is what
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: happens when you have a party which hasn't fully formed.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's kind of in its chrysalis stage. You know, it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: hasn't really fully formed. It's not ready to come out.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It is still all about Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And the problem is they're giving people these opportunities who
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: have no idea of how to handle themselves in the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: public sphere. They don't know what they're talking about. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I tell you, voters, you need to think very carefully
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about who you're voting for at whatever time. They're not listening.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: They're not listening. Please listen!
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Listen to me.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: They're not listening to the Liberal Party, hence why they're
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: deserting the Liberal Party.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm here, guys. That's why I'm here. Your
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: mates blew it up. Yeah, your mates blew it up.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: But, look, I think I don't... That's why I say,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: does it come down to a bit more media training?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Does it come down to... more team meetings.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: No, better people. More help. Better people. Well, you know what?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: They are everyday Aussies and they are trying to appeal
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to everyday Aussies.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And they are appealing. And they clearly.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Whether you like it or not.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's working. Yep, that's it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Alright, coming up after the break, we'll tell you how
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: many major terror plots have been thwarted since the Bondi
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: massacre and why we are being kept in the dark
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back. Let's take a look at tomorrow's
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: front pages.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And Michelle, the Herald Sun's got a bit of a
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: clue as to what Tony Burke's going to be announcing tomorrow.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Look, it's all about migrants, isn't it? Migrant family clamps. Now,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the federal government is set to crack down on the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: number of family members accompanying international students to Australia as
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: part of its plan to tighten migration. Home Affairs Minister
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Tony Burke will announce the government's policy today. Well, we're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: very happy and eagerly await the government's policy. It's been
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: months and months in the making and hopefully that all
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the Labor people can agree on this one. It's a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: great start, I think, but I don't know if it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: going to be enough. I do think that Labor is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: going to be really wishy-washy on migration. The devil will
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: be in the detail tomorrow.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see what the numbers will be, how much they're
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going to reduce the net overseas migration rate. That is
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the key denomination that we should all be looking for tomorrow.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And are we going to be protecting our values? Is
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: it going to be a values-based system or is it
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: going to be a votes-based system?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's going to be the latter.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. And I find it fascinating.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: So it's been just over six weeks since his National
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Press Club address was cancelled in which he was supposed
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: to deliver a the government's migration policy, but then there
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: was some type of rifts and disagreement.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: With his fellow... Own party.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: With his own party, right, and which he was smashed
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: for then and the Coalition weaponised it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: But I mention the Coalition too because where are they
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: in all of this?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: We're working on a plan, Lucy. We're working on a plan.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Good for you. Get on with it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: But it just seems like you're kind of waiting to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: see what everyone else is doing before you come to
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: your own conclusions. So it's very easy to criticise everyone
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: for coming out with a plan.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: When you don't have one out. Well, I don't know.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Just calm down.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: We'll have a plan. We'll have a plan.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: They said it's on its way. There's a lot of talking.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That's actually what the problem is.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: There's too much talking.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And keeping in theme with all of this, I find
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: this interesting.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: On the front page of the Canberra Times, my hometown,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Home Affairs is ramping up efforts to stop visas being
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: issued to people who spread hate after a string of
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: deportations of influencers who had.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Initially been waved through.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: The department has launched a new tool that scrapes social
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: media to flag individuals who may be, quote, risk for
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: close scrutiny, the.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Canberra Times can reveal.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: After coming under criticism for failing to uncover grounds for
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: visa refusals. The information gathered by the tool is being
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: used to help the public servants who process close to
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: 10 million visas a year to better detect potential character
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: grounds for refusal under stricter laws introduced by the Albanese
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: government in February. See, very interesting to me as well,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: because they're reading the tea leaves, right? they're getting a
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: sense of what people, what their voters are reacting very
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: strongly to.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And that's fine. That's fair. It's good political strategy.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: But it's only interesting to me that you've started to
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: come out with the hardest stance on immigration when for.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Years you haven't.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Because your political opponents are doing it and you're seeing.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That it's gaining traction.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: But is it right to stop people from entering the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: country because you don't agree with what they have to say?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And do you have the right to search their social
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: media because you disagree with what they have to say?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Well, if their values don't align with our values, then
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: see you later. I mean, I would say people who do,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you know, spread hate.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but who's the arbiter of what hate is, though?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like a very interesting
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: concept to me.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: But I think if it's, I mean, I would say
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: if you're a hate preacher, goodbye. I mean, look what
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Georgia Maloney did in Italy. She's booted out all the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: hate preachers, sent them back to their countries. In Pakistan
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: there was a couple of others.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: She's done it. So I would say that would meet
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the threshold for hate.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: No, I know.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: It's just an interesting concept, I think. And scraping social media,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think, is also very interesting.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Well, if you're putting it out there, just be a
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Sophie Cunningham.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I said what I said.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And, look, it's done wonders for her. She's Miss America now.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: She's great.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: It sure has.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Love her.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at the Oz now.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Voice of Reckoning. We've been covering this all week. Exclusive,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a senior Indigenous elder from the West Australian region at
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the heart of a major child protection scandal has issued
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: a national call for abused children to be taken away
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: from bad parents... who should be charged with neglect, declaring
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that the current crisis is not another stolen generation. Niamal Pichikarli,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: apologies if I've said that wrong, Doris Eaton, speaking after
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: revelations in The Australian after abandoned young children living without
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: adults at a derelict house in Frisbee Court, South Hedlands,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: said to Aboriginal people, had to start getting tough on
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: irresponsible parents or a generation of children would be lost.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I can't even deal with this story.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I cannot.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: When you have got a senior Indigenous elder standing up
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and saying it, if nobody is listening to the people
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: like this in these communities who are saying enough is enough.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Then what hope? do the rest of us have?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And, you know, we've got politicians who shy away from it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about this.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: But these are the voices that people should be listening to.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And we've said this, we said this yesterday, this is
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: happening in our country.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like third world conditions. Yeah, and a real
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: flaw in the system too is you can't take an
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Indigenous child away and give it to a white family.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: You have to try and find Indigenous relatives. And I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: think that then they're stuck in this system because they're
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: trying hard to reach out to them. They can't get
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: a hold of them. I think if you can find
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: them a home, find them a home. It should not
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: matter what colour skin that is. And it should just
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: be about the safety of that child. This is infuriating
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to me. I can't believe we're still talking about it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It's been going on for decades.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: And this has been on the front page of The
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Australian since that story broke over the weekend, right? It
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: is dominating the news cycle and, you know, we've got
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: a bunch of pollies down in Canberra in question time
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: just bleating along with each other and trying.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: To throw mud and see if it sticks.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And talk about Pauline Hanson.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And talk about Pauline Hanson.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Like, if you think that the real issues in this
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: country are the comments that she's made on a podcast,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you need your head read because it's just, it's the
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: perfect bait and switch.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: The perfect bait and switch.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Switching gears to the front page of the advertiser, this
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: one is an interesting one. McGovern's crack at hillbilly camp, Crows'
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: cult program. Former Adelaide Crow Mitch McGovern has opened up
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: about the club's infamous 2018 pre-season camp, describing it as, quote,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: run by Byron Bay hillbillies, end quote. Speaking on a
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: recent podcast, McGovern said the controversial five-day camp on the
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Gold Coast... directly led to his departure from the Crows
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: the year after the club's disastrous grand final loss to Richmond.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: The Carlton forward felt the camp's approach was ethically wrong
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: and you can read the full report.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Of that in the teaser. Michelle, you remember this story. Yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: so I covered it back in 2018. I was covering
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: it for a local radio. And I'm a bit sketchy
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: on the details, but I do remember that a lot
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of the players suffered severe mental health issues following that camp.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: So whatever happened or whatever took place in that, it
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't a safe issue. It wasn't a safe space. And
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of their star players.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Ended up leaving over it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So it is definitely something that was big down for
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the Crows and for the players. Yeah, gee, that's going
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to be an interesting one. Just quickly, we're just going
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to go back to the Australian there.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And I alluded to this before we went to the break,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: about four major terror plots.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And the public being in the dark about it. There's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: also an exclusive.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: It says ASIO has disrupted four major terrorism plots since
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: last December's Bondi massacre. But the public has been kept
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: in the dark on the full details, prompting calls for
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: greater transparency from the Albanese government. The alleged schemes were
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: all thwarted in the first six months of the year,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: underscoring warnings by the director general of security, Mike Burgess.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that the nation's security environment is degrading amid soaring levels
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: of grievance and intolerance.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: This is scandalous.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: This is really, really scandalous. Firstly, there's no transparency. Why
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: weren't we to know about it? But the fact that
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: there are warnings, multiple warnings, and still it was like.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody, everyone was like, keep calm and carry on. Yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I will say, though, ASIO boss Burgess is quite transparent
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and he has done an exceptional job leading ASIO since
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: he's taken over. I do think that this is frightening,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: particularly as the local councillor for Bondi and seeing the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: terror attacks play out there and the fact that there
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: were no warnings and if they were, we didn't know
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: about it. So I think there's a lot of lessons
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: that had to be learned from that experience.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's absolutely spot on. Alright, we're
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: going to take a quick break. Coming up, we'll show
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you how a 10-year-old boy managed to wrangle a snake.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Give this guy a medal. That's next. Welcome back.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Well, most of us would run if we saw a
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: snake slithering on the ground, but this 10-year-old in Noosa,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I tell you what.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: He deserves to be Aussie of the Year.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: So he's quite literally just picked it up casually from
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the ground after it was slithering by, picks it up
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and proceeds to put it elsewhere.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He was a non-venomous carpet python.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, the guy, the kid deserves a medal.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: His parents must be proud that he's got guns of
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: steel here.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: All I have to say is Straya. Yeah!
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Straya!
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: I spent all this money on Lara Bungles, where the
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: bloody hell are you? Way to forget it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Just keep running that on repeat and show everyone this
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: is what the country's about.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, I do like a trend,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: but I'm a little unsure about this one. Gone are
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the days of having a speedy shower because now there's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a new trend, thanks to the TikTokers of the world.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It's called double cleansing. Why don't we take a quick
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: look at what it's all about?
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: As in, this is a routine you're always gonna follow
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: in the shower and after the shower to look, smell,
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: and feel your absolute best. First and foremost, you are
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: double cleansing your body. One cleanse to actually get rid
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: of all the oil, dirt, and funk off your skin.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: And your second cleanse is to add hydration back to
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: your skin and start building your scent combo.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Gen Z has a lot of time on
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: their hands. They have so much time on their hands.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: And you know who's really benefiting from this? Pretty much
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the products. The products are benefiting from this because you
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: are buying, buying, buying, buying, buying. That's why Gen Z
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: has no money, because all they do is, like, doubling
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: up on everything.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Would you two look at me in a weird way
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: if I told you that I double cleanse?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: No, you don't.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: You do not. I do.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: No, I do.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, like I use soap first and then I'll use.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: More like a body oil to get the moisture out.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: She's building up her scent.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I like to be nice and soft. She's building up
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: her scent.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I like to be soft.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Leave her alone. Let's quickly finish with this one too.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: This is fantastic. How many coppers does it take to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: chase down a horse? This was phenomenal viewing, right?
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Cowboys joined a major multi-agency operation to bring a runaway
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: horse under control in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: The local police department said, have a look at this.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Fantastic stuff, this aerial footage.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Was released on Monday and it shows the horse running
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: through the streets on Sunday after the animal escaped before
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: it was due to appear in the Desfile de la Gente,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: an annual parade.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, do you know what? Just a casual
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: day in the office. Let's have a look.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have a look here.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Watch out, we've got a horse coming through. I love this.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: It's better than chasing down a perp.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely. agree.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: All right, that's all we've got time for. Lucy, Michelle,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: thank you very much. Thank you, as always, to you
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: at home. Coming up next, the Rita Panahy show.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Good night.