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A racing thought was a runaway racing
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loop that was just unstoppable. All I
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could do was say, "I'm going to stop
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thinking about this." And then about 20
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seconds later, it's I'm right back to
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thinking about it. And so all of a
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sudden, I found found myself really
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taking 8 to 10 doses per day. Um, it
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gets expensive. You suddenly find
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yourself spending $500 to $1,000 a
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month. And I knew I had to get off of
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it.
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just felt I just felt numb like a robot,
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you know, just like a robot waiting to
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be activated. I I just want to think
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about nothing. That's when I found your
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product. Um, you know, I I can't say
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100% that it's the unwind, but I can say
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that this is my situation. Now,
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>> welcome back to Project Unwind. My name
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is James. I'm your host. Today we have a
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super cool guest, Glenn. For the
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audience who don't know who who you are,
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can you give us a bit of a background on
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what makes Glenn Glenn?
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>> Uh, hi. Well, my name is Glenn and um
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I'm excited to be here today. I'm a big
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fan of the Unwind product. Um, I uh work
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in the uh entertainment industry for
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many years. I was a host on Playboy um
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Spice Radio on SiriusXM
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and have really kind of hung around um
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both in Los Angeles and Las Vegas, the
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entertainment industry for quite a
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while.
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Have you been doing that for like as
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soon as you started your career or has
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things
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or or is this something that you kind of
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joined later in life or or I guess the a
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better question would be what was your
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was this your first job? No, you know, I
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was uh in corporate America from uh 1987
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or no, from 1989 through
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um 2001
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and there was quite a uh dot bubble.
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Many people don't remember it at this
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point, but 1999,
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you could just put a bunch of tech
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companies on a dart board and pick one
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and you would make a ton of money up
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until, of course, the bubble burst in
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2000 and 2001. And so I was actually
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founder of a high-tech company in Dallas
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and Austin, Texas
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called Apperion.
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And uh we we made um data centers. Now
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back before data centers was a big
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thing, but we we we did web hosting for
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companies. Uh we were kind of an early
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uh provider of that. we had a different
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way of doing things than other companies
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had been doing it because because back
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then when you wanted to in um increase
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your internet bandwidth. Uh that
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actually meant that guys had to dig
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holes in the ground and put fiber in the
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ground to get you your more bandwidth.
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Today you just say, "Hey, I'd like to
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increase my bandwidth." And you know,
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you snap a finger, they hit a button,
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and you're good. But our company had a
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way of doing it that was much quicker
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than other companies. And so it it gave
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a lot of flexibility to companies that
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um needed they were expanding rapidly.
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So we did that and we were great at it
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until 2001 when the market the stock
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market kind of fell apart on everybody
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and it was a extremely stressful thing
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for me. I wish I had your product back
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then. But at the time of uh me leaving
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that company,
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>> I had a lot of companies that said,
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"Hey, you know, your skill set is
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raising money from corporate uh from
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investment bankers. Everybody needs a
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guy that can do that." So, I had a lot
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of offers to to stay in that industry.
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And I said, "No,
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I can't take it anymore. I can't handle
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that kind of stress." And uh I got in my
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car and drove to California with no real
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plan and just started hanging around. I
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actually went to Central Casting
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uh and and just said, "Hey, put me in
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some movies." Central casting is where
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you go to be an extra in movies.
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>> And so movies like Anger Management, for
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example,
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you could find me somewhere in there in
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a scene where Jack Nicholson is bouncing
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a basketball down a hall. I'm somewhere
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behind him or whatever. But by doing so,
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I got to know the industry and learn
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about
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um all of the business side of
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Hollywood. And so I I then bought into a
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talent agency and was was doing uh
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putting extras in movies. And so just
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one thing kind of led to another. I was
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a DJ at KCSN 88.5.
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I had a show called The Smok and Blues
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Show. Uh, and then some other things,
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other opportunities arose and, um, and
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then somewhere down the line, uh,
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Playboy Spice Radio was looking for a
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host to do some things and and, uh, I
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joined up with that and I ended up, um,
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doing several different radio gigs after
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that. Just, you know what, life is like
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a river. If you're willing to trust the
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Lord above you, you can just jump into
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the river like you're on a raft and
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float and see where it takes you.
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>> I feel like I don't think like anything
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in life is like wasting time. I feel
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like things always build to the next.
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You just kind of don't know what's
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happening in that next um uh chapter of
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your life, but then whatever skill sets
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you learn, it's it's somehow going to
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play into it. is I'm a Christian too, so
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I believe everything in life happens for
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a reason. Um,
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>> absolutely.
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>> But
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when you said we're going through that
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bubble burst and you had all that
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stress, is this kind of like where your
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mental health journey started or is
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there a different starting point?
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>> Uh, well, it was a big part of it. I
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mean, it was that was the point in time
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where I realized that I needed more help
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than just um reading books on how not to
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be stressed out. Um you know, that was a
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tough we were dealing, we're talking
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about hundreds of millions, even really
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a billion dollars of of corporate
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valuation at the time. And when the
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market crashed, you know, like at the
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time,
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investment bankers, whatever,
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stockholders, uh, our board of
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directors, no matter what company you
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work for, they were trying to get you to
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increase the price of the stock. Um, and
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I remember I would get up at the the
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board meetings and say, "Listen, guys,
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this is going to lead to disaster at
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some point. You can't make business
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decisions on increasing the price of the
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stock without uh worrying about
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profitability first. You you just can't
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do that. That's unsustainable.
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But our guys would say, well, you what
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we need to do to increase the price of
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stock is get another round of financing.
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And in order to get another round of
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financing, you need to announce that you
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pick up any buzzword of the time. um you
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know application hosting suddenly was I
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can't remember what the buzzword was but
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you know the board of directors would
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say let's start up a division of the
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company to do application hosting
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and I would say but we're not
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uh our core competency is physical
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server hosting let's be the best in the
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world at that first and they would say
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no no that's completely wrong you need
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to go into something else before you
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know just don't even worry about that
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other part of the business, going to the
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next part of the business so that we can
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do a big press release announcing all
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this stuff so that the price of the
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stock would shoot up. And I knew that we
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were doing something that was going to
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end up getting us in big trouble, you
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know, just in terms of of
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sustainability. And so I sat there
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saying, you know, so this was stressful
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for me.
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>> Uh, and I I don't know if that's the
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time I started on Xanax. probably not at
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that point, but I do remember going to
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herbal uh store and I can't remember
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what pills they gave me, but they, you
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know, I I started trying all kinds of
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alternative
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uh uh pills to try to learn to relax and
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not let my mind loop. Because what
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happens is is that if you got an
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overactive mind like myself, you're
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going to get stuck on a problem and
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you're going to keep looping through it
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over and over and over again
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>> all night.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> And you need something. I mean, look, no
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matter whether it's a legal drug or an
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illegal drug, what everyone is trying to
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give you is something that turns off the
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little voice in your head or quiets it
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down and lets you stop looping on
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things. So,
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um, you know, that was, but at the time
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I thought herbal was a better way to go
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than than getting, uh, addicted to
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Xanax. And now I remember how that
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worked out cuz I remember seeing a
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psychiatrist and they immediately wanted
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to load me down with, um, prescriptions.
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And I was I was thinking to myself, so
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this is just going to be an addiction.
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And I I didn't want to go. I wish I
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could remember though what they were
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giving me at the herbal store because it
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didn't really work.
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I I think back in the day, supplements,
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uh
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whatever you saw on the label didn't
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always match what you took. So, I I know
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that was a problem back in the days, but
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now there's just so much more because
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the supplement business has grown so
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much. There's so much more scrutiny, so
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much more information
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outside on like what does what. So, it's
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um a lot of the supplements now there's
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like brands like Thorn that like have
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like really really high quality
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supplements, but I've I've heard like
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back then it wasn't like that. Which is
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why there's that there's still that
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stigma that supplements are just all
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talk, no walk is complete BS.
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>> You don't know what you're getting until
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you try it. Yes. Um but I remember like
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Valyan root
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>> for sleeping. Um, what's the one that
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everyone now uses? Um, that slips my
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mind, but uh, you know, there are
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variety of sleeping things that you can
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take that are made from roots and
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whatevers, and none of them really
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helped me very much. But, but you make
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the point that back then, nobody was
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regulating this stuff. So if you decided
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valyan root was the solution, you didn't
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really know whether you were getting uh
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what dosage you were getting of Valyrian
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root even if it said 200 milligrams. I
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mean it's you know depending on how pure
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the the 200 milligrams was.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But melatonin is the other one that you
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know now everybody uses melatonin,
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right? But
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>> yeah,
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>> but back then we were just experimenting
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with stuff and not really realizing what
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was going to work and what wasn't. I
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think I remember melatonin just made me
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feel really groggy the next morning.
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>> You know, fun fact with melatonin, you
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actually have to take it about 90
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minutes to two hours before bed because
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it takes time for it to like break down.
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Um so, so when I go traveling or if I
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know that so I try to take it early to
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help I mean you still get a bit of the
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groggginess but then it helps prevent um
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lessen the groggginess.
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>> Yeah.
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Uh, that's good to know. Actually, I'll
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have to keep that in mind. So, I do have
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a product here that is a melatonin mix
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that I take some nights. The other
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interesting thing is compounding now,
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right? Is that um all of these herbal
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supplements, whereas they used to give
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you one thing, nowadays they'll give you
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something that's got 10 different um 10
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different substances all compounded
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together. And then you really don't know
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what you're getting. and and you don't
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know whether maybe eight of the 10
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things helps you and then two of the
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things you have a bad reaction to.
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>> You mentioned something about that
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wasn't the time when I started Xanax. Do
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you remember what was going on when you
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actually decided to jump over to
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prescription meds?
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Um, that happened in
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probably 2010 or so. Um, I was living in
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California and expenses just got crazy.
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I feel bad for anyone who lives in
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California.
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Uh, you do you live in California?
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>> I just moved out from there. I lived
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there my whole life. I moved out this
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year, March. So, it hasn't even been a
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year yet.
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So, here's the problem with California.
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The biggest problem in California is
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that state legislature is a full-time
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job there. You know, just for comparison
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purposes, in Nevada, where I live in Las
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Vegas, the state legislature meets once
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every two years. California, it's a
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full-time job. And not only that, but in
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Los Angeles, they have the county
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commissioner job. Um, I believe there
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are eight of them. and they drive around
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in limousines and they have sort of an
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unlimited secret budget. And the bottom
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line is that if you are in California
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um and you want a law passed, there's
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always somebody willing to take a bag of
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cash and who can put that law in front
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of the state legislature immediately.
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And so they end up passing if if you
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know if if they have a problem
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that they need they think they need a
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solution for the solution is always
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going to be pass some laws and the then
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the end of those laws that they pass is
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always going to end up being we need a
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permit to for people to do what they
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want to do plus an inspection period
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etc. So I was working in my
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entertainment jobs at the time doing
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film making and my costs had risen
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uh from tripled probably and suddenly a
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guy who had been successful from 2003
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until 2010 was just making money
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handover fist was suddenly struggling
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with how do I make my expenses um less
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than my incoming revenue and the The
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stress took me to the point where I had
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a great doctor. I love the guy a lot.
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And he said, you know, listen, your
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problem is you got an overactive brain.
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If you want to take Xanax for when you
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have um sort of panic attacks, anxiety,
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etc., this will help you. And so I
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started taking Xanax. And you know,
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2010, like the problem with all this
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stuff is that we don't really know the
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long-term effects of something until
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it's been a long term.
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>> Mhm. and and back then doctors could
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prescribe stuff without really asking a
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lot of questions. And so he gave me um
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Xanax and Somas because I had a um hip
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bcitis problem
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>> um because I was taking martial arts and
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the the my legs my hips just couldn't
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take all of the things that we were
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doing in these shaolin campo classes.
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And so
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>> the doctor was happy to prescribe stuff.
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But soon I found myself taking um Xanax
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and Soma
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which was uh you know it was okay it was
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great I don't know bad or good but they
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stopped letting doctors do that.
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Nowadays a doctor cannot prescribe soma
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without a lot of work. You have to have
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a code that they change like every week.
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Um, so I mean almost, yeah, it's a lot
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that they put into preventing people
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from getting somas, which is a muscle
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relaxer.
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>> Okay.
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>> Xanaxes are a little bit easier, but
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it's a controlled substance. And so you
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have to go to a licensed psychiatrist to
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get it. You can't just get Xanax from
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your regular doctor most of the time,
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>> or so I'm told.
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>> So I did become a Xanax addict.
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>> Oh, got it.
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And
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Well, have you So, it's been a few
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almost two decades since since then. Has
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are are you would you still consider
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yourself like a Xanax addict or is was
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that like something in the past?
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>> That's in the past. Um although I did
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take Zenex for a long time until I
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started taking um I've got a lot of I've
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got a lot of friends who are pro
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wrestlers and some of my pro wrestling
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friends recommended I start trying
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and I started taking instead of the
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Xanax and that was I think a pretty good
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thing for a while.
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Um, I was taking cratom uh cratom and
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cava in a little shot bottle thing that
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they would give me and
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>> uh
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I can't remember if it was blue maybe.
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Yeah, it was a darker color.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, that was that product actually
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worked out pretty well for me. um until
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they started coming out with derivatives
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of cratom that were much more powerful
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uh which is 7-0.
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I don't know if you're familiar with
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that.
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>> I am.
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>> I am now. I am now just because I didn't
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know what it was. Uh if you spoke to me
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one year ago from today, I wouldn't have
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known what it was. But I I had one
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customer mention it, mentioned Kratom
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and then I kind of and then his podcast
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reached um I guess with the algorithm it
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reached like the creative community and
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then someone tried it for 70 and then
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I've been ever since then just because
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the algorithm is is scary like that I've
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been getting more and more people
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texting me about like hey like I I've
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been using your product to help with um
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aquariums have no wage or There's like
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products called like MGM stuff like
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that. Yes.
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>> And then I've been hearing it more and
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more often.
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>> Um and it's kind of Yeah. I mean it's
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it's and I' I've been hearing the
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stories of like of people going through
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those brutal with withdrawals when
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trying to get off.
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>> Yeah. I mean so the good news is that
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works um you know and 70 works even
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better. Uh the bad news is that they're
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highly addictive or at least um 708 is
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much worse than cratom. Regularratom is
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pretty darn good. I should have just
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stuck with that. But as they started
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coming out with better versions, I was
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like, "Hey, let's see what this one
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does."
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>> And so that was like a couple of years
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ago. I started on 70.
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And in the beginning especially, it was
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fantastic. But
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uh look, I think all drugs should be
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legal. I'm a libertarian. I uh think
19:30
people make their own decisions. So I
19:32
made my own choices. But uh the
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companies that are selling you these
19:37
products
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sort of encourage you to keep bumping up
19:42
your dosage and and you know, they do it
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sort of subtly just by basically saying,
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"Oh, you bought 30 milligram dosages
19:48
last time. uh you know, here's a special
19:51
for um we can give you 100 milligram
19:53
dosage and we recommend that you cut
19:56
them up into four pieces, but you're
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going to get a much better price break
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if you do 100. And in fact, usually I
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would order 30s and then somewhere in
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the package they would go, here's a free
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300 mgram pill, which is insane. um you
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know, but if you took that 300 milligram
20:16
pill, all of a sudden 30 milligram is
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going to seem like nothing to you. And
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so then you're like, well, you know, 30
20:23
milligram pills doesn't do it for me
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anymore. I got to buy the 60s and 70s
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and hundreds and so on. And in fact,
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suddenly, like you'd go to the store and
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you wouldn't even be able to find your
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30 milligram pills anymore. Suddenly,
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you know, everything that popped up on
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the page would be 80, 90, 100
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milligrams. And so I've read all kinds
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of horror stories about people who, you
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know, started taking 30 milligrams once
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in a while who ended up taking 1,500 or
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2,000 milligs per day of this stuff. And
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that's where the problem is because if
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you could stay I mean I'll get to I
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guess you know the rest of my story and
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where I am at with that now but if you
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can um control your usage of 70 then
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you'll find it's a pretty good product
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for anxiety and um uh it also kind of
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regulates your digestion.
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uh it gives you uh it's mood uplifting
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is a great product except for that it
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turns out this is what the big part we
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didn't really know back in the beginning
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is that cratom is just something that
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comes from a leaf 70 is when they take
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that cratom put it in a laboratory and
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create a synthetic opioid
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>> and once you start getting addicted to
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that synthetic opioid you're pretty much
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the same as being addicted to oxycottton
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or or vicodin
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And the funny thing about that is that
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people are you are using 70 to get off
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of their addiction to Vicodins and
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Oxycottton.
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But now you have a new addiction.
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>> How great if you're very disciplined and
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you say, "Well, great. I'm going to use
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this in small doses." But once you start
22:15
upping and upping and upping your usage,
22:17
you get into trouble. And if you want,
22:19
I'll talk now about how I did get into
22:21
trouble. I ended up becoming um addicted
22:24
to 70 and then I had a real problem on
22:27
my hand.
22:28
>> I definitely want to hear that. I just
22:30
had a quick question. I heard the
22:32
tolerance for seven I never tried it
22:33
myself. I was addicted to benzo um and
22:36
alcohol and a few and a few other
22:38
things. But then did you did your
22:42
tolerance for 70 go up quickly? cuz I
22:44
heard it went up like the like if you
22:46
started with 30s if you continue 30s for
22:49
a month the 30s would not work even if
22:50
you did not go up it wouldn't work the
22:52
same way it would last shorter so then
22:55
you would end up needing more that's
22:57
what I've heard from a few other
22:59
customers is that the experience that
23:01
you had
23:02
>> that may be the case um
23:05
>> because I found myself taking more and
23:07
more per day is the problem it's like at
23:11
first I was like oh I'll just take one
23:13
pill per day. Um, but when that pill
23:17
doesn't last very long, then yeah, you
23:19
want to take another pill. So maybe
23:21
you're right that it's not so much the
23:22
tolerance was the problem. It's the the
23:24
halflife on the thing. It's, you know,
23:27
you would take it initially was, you
23:28
know, it gives you 4 hours, but then all
23:31
of a sudden you're you're not feeling it
23:33
after 1 hour or two hours, so you take
23:36
one. And so all of a sudden I found
23:38
found myself really taking eight to 10
23:42
doses per day.
23:46
>> At which point I realized I had a
23:47
problem.
23:49
>> How many milligrams is that? Like um
23:52
>> so that depends on the person and that's
23:54
the difference between me and a lot of
23:55
people. But my uh my 10 doses let's say
24:00
added up to
24:02
um maybe 3 to 400 milligrams per day.
24:05
>> Wow.
24:06
Yeah, but you know, again, you gota it
24:09
depends on what you compare it to. A lot
24:11
of people were taking 1,500 milligrams
24:14
per day.
24:15
>> So then when you get to the question of
24:17
when you realize you have a problem and
24:19
you say, you know, 10 doses per day, and
24:23
by the way, the math um it gets
24:25
expensive. You suddenly find yourself
24:27
spending $500 to $1,000 a month. And you
24:30
know, most people can't afford that. But
24:34
you know, you realize one day that Yeah.
24:36
I started, you know, I remember started
24:39
taking one first thing when I got up in
24:40
the morning cuz I'm 57
24:44
years old. Am I 58? I don't know.
24:49
I try not to think about it, but I'm I'm
24:50
late 50s and uh you wake up with a lot
24:54
of back pain and I go I hike over a
24:57
thousand miles a year and I like to take
24:59
hiking.
25:00
>> Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. Great. Great. And
25:02
thank God that the weather changed last
25:05
week
25:06
>> to the point where I could start hiking
25:08
again with my dog. And I was atund
25:12
148 pounds at the beginning of last week
25:16
and I'm now down to 141 just from one
25:19
week of going back to my routine of
25:21
hiking every day.
25:23
Hiking is really good for you. Um,
25:25
>> and you live in Nevada, so you only have
25:28
a few months where you can hike because
25:30
in in the summer when it's like over
25:32
hundreds, it's that's
25:34
>> Yeah,
25:34
>> that's brutal.
25:35
>> Okay, but that's a misperception that a
25:37
lot of people have about Nevada. Um,
25:39
it's kind of the other way around. You
25:40
have three months of the year where you
25:43
cannot hike. Um, not with a dog at
25:45
least. Uh, June, July, August. Usually
25:49
September things cool down enough so
25:52
that you're good to go again. This was
25:54
an unusual year. Our entire September
25:57
was was over 85°.
26:00
Um, and so, so 4 months out of this
26:04
year, we're gone. But we get 8 months.
26:06
That's unbelievably great weather. And,
26:09
and to me, I noticed this the other day.
26:12
I had forgotten how great it was cuz the
26:14
temperature was about 55°. I was bundled
26:17
up. I went on a hike. It was cloudy out
26:20
when I started, but then the sun came
26:21
out and then I felt felt the rays of the
26:25
sun coming down on me and and suddenly I
26:26
stopped and looked up into the sky and
26:30
said, "All right, I'm just going to stop
26:31
here and let the the sunlight wash over
26:34
me, you know, because you know in July
26:37
you can't do that. You're going to burn
26:38
to death if you stop and let the
26:39
sunlight wash over you." But I two days
26:43
ago I I stopped, let the sunlight wash
26:45
over me, and I felt it's this incredible
26:47
rush of joy and happiness.
26:50
>> Um, so eight months out of the year here
26:52
in Vegas, you can get that. You got a
26:54
lot of great mountains to go to. You can
26:56
also do it during the summer if you if
26:58
you drive up to Mount Charleston where
27:00
it's 30° um 30° lower usually. And so I
27:04
do a lot of that. Um, but anyway, I I
27:08
was taking 10 doses a day, 300 to to 400
27:11
milligrams. And I knew I had to get off
27:13
of it. And that is when I made a
27:17
horrible decision because what I should
27:19
have done is just tapered down. 400 mg
27:22
is not so far that so far gone that you
27:26
can't just taper off of it. At 1500
27:29
milligrams, you're screwed. Or 1,000
27:31
milligrams, you need to go to a
27:33
provider. But I went to a tele medicine
27:37
provider
27:39
um and start and and got on a program of
27:42
Suboxone. Familiar with Suboxone?
27:45
>> Yes. It's kind of it's the uh people use
27:48
it to get off opioids, but I heard it's
27:49
been working really well for 70 as well
27:52
with at least with the physical
27:53
withdrawal side of things.
27:55
>> Yeah. So, it works and essentially it is
27:58
a um it it is an opioid
28:02
uh I can't remember the other word but
28:05
but anyway what it does is it you have
28:07
opioid receptors in your body in your
28:09
brain and if you're taking 10 doses a
28:13
day of 70 your brain needs those opioid
28:18
receptors to be hit 10 times a day and
28:21
if it doesn't get it you start going
28:23
through withdrawals you start your eyes
28:25
tear up your nose gets kind of runny.
28:28
Um, and then you start feeling kind of
28:30
weird anxiety. So, you take suboxone and
28:33
all you're doing is replacing the 70 or
28:37
your oxycottton or whatever with uh with
28:41
Suboxone and the Suboxone aderes to the
28:44
the opioid receptors except for it
28:46
doesn't get you high and then you don't
28:48
have the cravings.
28:50
Great. except for Suboxone has horrible
28:53
side effects. And by the way, Suboxone
28:56
appears to be more addictive than um the
29:00
70 that you were addicted to in the
29:02
first place. So once you start taking
29:04
Suboxone, they tell you that you can't
29:06
get off of it, not without months and
29:09
months of a planned tapering and
29:12
withdrawal.
29:14
And that's the problem. But the problem
29:17
I got into is that if you look at the
29:19
list of side effects from Suboxone,
29:21
>> crushing depression is one of the side
29:23
effects. And you know, obviously
29:26
different people get hit with different
29:27
side effects, but I start things wrong
29:31
with me from from the minute I started
29:33
taking it. Like suddenly I had no
29:35
personality at all. I went on a trip um
29:38
a family reunion to Costa Rica and I sat
29:42
there with no expression on my face the
29:45
entire time not wanting to converse with
29:46
people. Just felt I just felt numb like
29:49
a robot, you know, just like a robot
29:52
waiting to be activated.
29:54
But but the worst part is that the
29:56
depression started hitting me. And by
29:58
the time I'd been on Suboxone for 10
30:00
days, not talking about months here, 10
30:03
days, I was ready to take my own life.
30:10
Yeah, I just wanted to let that sink in
30:12
for a second there. How bad Suboxone can
30:15
be. 10 days and I've never had suicidal
30:18
thoughts in my life before. But I was
30:20
sitting there thinking, um, I can't take
30:23
this. Like, everyone in the world hates
30:25
me. I don't, you know, my life is
30:28
miserable. Everything is wrong. I just
30:31
don't care anymore. I just want to come
30:33
up with a way of taking my own life. And
30:35
I started changing my will and fixing
30:38
things up to get to make sure that all
30:40
the people in my life were taken care
30:42
of. Uh but but I was, you know, suddenly
30:45
ready to do that. And
30:48
I don't remember who talked some sense
30:50
into me, but I had some friends that
30:51
were looking in on me. Certainly my
30:53
brother was one of them. Uh and I
30:56
decided to just stop taking the suboxone
30:58
cold turkey.
31:00
>> So I needed, you know, I just like I
31:02
need to get off of it. And they tell you
31:07
do not do that because you're going to
31:10
have things that l that stick with you
31:12
from the suboxone for months and months.
31:15
Um I can't drink alcohol. This has been
31:17
two months. I can't drink alcohol now
31:19
without getting kind of a weird feeling
31:21
like suddenly I'm angry and irritated.
31:24
Um, so Suboxone's pretty tough, but you
31:27
know, and I I was feeling withdrawal.
31:28
And what I ended up doing was going back
31:31
from
31:33
Suboxone to very small dosages of 70,
31:37
but that didn't cure my problem of
31:40
depression. it, you know, the suboxone
31:43
was still hitting me, but I was just
31:46
dealing with the opioid receptor problem
31:48
by instead of taking um 3 to 400
31:51
milligrams of 70 per day, I was taking
31:53
75. So, real small dosage. That's when I
31:58
found your product and and I think I
32:03
texted you. I mean, I got an ad from you
32:05
guys on Instagram saying, "Hey, this is
32:08
a product that helps people who are
32:10
going through withdrawals, uh, I think
32:12
was was the thing that caught my
32:13
attention and I said, you know, I'm
32:16
going through this through these
32:17
withdrawals and this this mental health
32:20
disorder right now, and I think your
32:22
product mentioned that it's uplifting
32:24
and um gives you some energy and some
32:27
some mood benefits." So I started trying
32:30
it
32:31
and
32:33
two it took two weeks but after two
32:36
weeks suddenly I found I would take it
32:38
with my morning smoothie and feel joy
32:41
and happiness again and suddenly I was I
32:43
was smiling again. Uh, so I mean I think
32:46
your product had a huge effect on me
32:50
because even though I had switched back
32:52
off of the suboxone, the suboxone was
32:54
still hitting me and giving me a lot of
32:56
depression and and it was it was unwind
32:59
that helped me climb out of that
33:01
depression.
33:05
>> I do want to do like one small
33:07
clarification. Uh, when I actually
33:09
created a mind, it I didn't have
33:11
withdrawals in mind. It was just for my
33:13
anxiety disorder just because I I get
33:16
those racing thoughts just like you do.
33:18
But it's like nonstop from the moment
33:21
you wake up till even when you're trying
33:24
to go to bed. Sometimes I even wake up
33:26
in the middle of the night with the
33:27
thoughts. And I do for over
33:32
a decade and a half, I've been just like
33:35
I I've been putting the tools, the
33:37
meditation, the journaling, the
33:39
exercise, clean diet, but then I just
33:41
needed a little bit. Yeah.
33:42
>> More and that's where the pride comes
33:44
in.
33:44
>> And I know
33:47
>> like ever since that one podcast I had
33:50
with the person who was trying to get
33:51
off PRM and Xanax at that um at the same
33:55
time
33:57
and it's more and more people have been
34:00
using us as a tool for for like creative
34:06
related products. I I never intended it
34:09
for it, but I guess it's just like it it
34:13
kind kind of helped some people. Uh, and
34:15
then I love to hear that it it did help
34:18
you when you and
34:22
it since then since you've started
34:25
taking us is it's how how have are are
34:30
you still getting like those bouts of
34:32
like the depression or or what are some
34:34
of the biggest things that's that has
34:35
changed?
34:36
>> Yeah. Well, and just to clarify your
34:39
clarification, too, I texted you um at
34:42
the beginning of this thing and said,
34:43
"Hey, I I got your product and I'm gonna
34:46
be using it to get off of 70." And you
34:48
said
34:49
>> you were very upfront and said that's
34:50
not really what it's intended for.
34:53
>> Um so, but I had seen like in Reddit
34:58
forums or whatever that some people were
35:00
using it for this. So, but the the issue
35:03
here is that you've got the cravings and
35:06
then you've got the um the depression.
35:09
So, it's it's two different things that
35:11
you're attacking here at the same time.
35:14
No, your product does not really help me
35:16
at least with the cravings. Um and I but
35:20
I've been I've solved the cravings
35:21
another way just by taking really small
35:23
doses of 70.
35:25
But the depression is what it helped
35:28
with. So what unwind does for me is no,
35:32
I'm not feeling depression most of the
35:33
time. There are some days where I still
35:36
just have too many things happen to me
35:38
and I get, you know, a little bit
35:40
overwhelmed. Um, but mostly the the
35:44
unwind is a is a mood elevator for me.
35:47
It's a mood enhancer. It it gives me a
35:50
little bit of energy. It gives me a
35:52
boost. And you know, part of um using a
35:56
mood enhancer of any kind is that it's a
35:59
it's a cooperative effort. If you don't
36:03
if you take any kind of a mood
36:05
enhancement pill except for, you know,
36:08
cocaine, right? Um which I'm not
36:11
recommending. I've never tried cocaine,
36:13
but I'm just saying that um uh when you
36:16
take any kind of a mood enhancement
36:18
pill, you have to then say to yourself,
36:21
I'm going to be happy. You have to smile
36:23
until you're until you have to fake the
36:25
smile until you're actually feeling the
36:27
smile. You have to start forcing
36:29
yourself to play a song on the radio
36:32
that you like or on the radio on the
36:35
whatever kids use these days. MP3 player
36:40
>> Spotify.
36:41
>> Spotify. So you're putting your song on
36:44
Spotify and you got to start listening
36:45
to it and feeling your groove. And then
36:48
if you've got something that's enhancing
36:49
your mood, it can it has something to
36:51
enhance. And so
36:55
um you know it's still up to you to do
36:57
part of the work here. So I found that
37:00
and again like you I tried meditation
37:02
and uh a variety of different methods
37:05
and I I still needed something on top of
37:07
that. But unwind gives me that base
37:11
inside me of there's a feeling of joy
37:14
and happiness and and energy inside me
37:17
that I need to tap into and I can do so
37:20
by um you know starting to just smile or
37:24
just you know dance around the room do
37:27
something but it's there whereas before
37:30
I was reaching for it in my head and not
37:32
finding it. M
37:36
>> you mentioned that like racing thoughts
37:39
is something that you've had for for
37:40
many many years now. Has have you seen
37:43
any improvements in that area?
37:46
>> Uh I think so. I I don't really have
37:50
uh the racing thoughts or at least you
37:52
know you know what it is is that
37:54
sometimes I'll go into a racing thought
37:56
mode and I'm able to turn it off now
37:58
pretty easily. uh something enables me
38:01
to just go, whoa, it's not I'm okay. I
38:06
don't need to keep thinking about this
38:08
and and then like I just can it's I can
38:11
turn it off. Back in the old days
38:13
though, a racing thought was a runaway
38:16
racing loop that was just unstoppable.
38:19
All I could do was say, "I'm going to
38:21
stop thinking about this." And then
38:23
about 20 seconds later, it's I'm right
38:26
back to thinking about it. It was just
38:28
an unstoppable loop. Now I find that I
38:32
go, well, I need to stop focusing on
38:35
this issue right now. And then I'm not
38:40
like I I'm able to to to shut it off to
38:44
the point where nothing is attacking me
38:46
in my brain that way. Because you could
38:48
think of it as like an attack, the
38:50
racing thoughts. It's like something you
38:52
shove away and it just comes right back
38:54
at you. But um you know I I can't say
39:00
100% that it's the unwind but I can say
39:04
that this is my situation now is that I
39:06
have a lot of situations where suddenly
39:09
I have uh you know this week especially
39:12
there have been a lot of problems I've
39:14
had in my business life plus a couple of
39:16
personal problems. You add this all up
39:18
you find yourself really racing. And
39:21
I've been amazed at how I've been able
39:23
to just go, hm, let's just stop thinking
39:26
about this for a few minutes and I'll
39:29
just blink a couple of times and and and
39:33
maybe control my breathing and then I'm
39:35
not really stuck in that loop.
39:39
So, I would say that your product has
39:41
helped me with with the mind loop.
39:45
I always make a joke that being able to
39:48
because like anxiety and racing thoughts
39:50
happens to everyone all eight billion
39:52
people but then the normies like the
39:55
normal people that's exact like how you
39:57
described it of like they don't stay on
40:00
it for hours that's that's how it's
40:02
supposed to be but then for the smaller
40:05
subset of people like us where our
40:07
brains just maybe we're just a little
40:09
bit more hyperactive than others
40:11
>> we tend to stay in that loop So, it's
40:14
just just like you like just cuz I take
40:16
it by scoop of my mind doesn't mean
40:18
anxiety and my racing thoughts magically
40:20
vanish. But I'm able to
40:24
see things more from a distance. It's no
40:26
longer in the driver's seat and be
40:31
>> more like a normie just
40:35
>> seeing it from a distance is a great
40:37
analogy there.
40:38
>> Yeah. is that suddenly you can back away
40:43
from it and see it as a
40:45
compartmentalized problem as opposed to
40:47
the thing that's dominating your mind.
40:49
>> Yeah.
40:53
>> Uh to to me it's just it's just
40:55
sometimes being able to have nothing in
40:58
my brain, you know, like sometimes you
41:01
want to just go there's so much that is
41:04
on my mind right now. I I just want to
41:07
think about nothing. And that's what
41:08
meditation is, right? Is that you're
41:10
trying to think about nothing.
41:12
>> I found over the last couple of weeks
41:14
especially that I can
41:16
>> just close my eyes and think about
41:19
nothing for a second here and then
41:22
there's there's silence. There's quiet.
41:25
The voice isn't isn't attacking me.
41:29
I love it. Do you what are some some of
41:33
your now that you have unwind in your
41:36
back pocket, do you have any goals you
41:39
want to strive for professionally, pro
41:42
professionally, personally, or just any
41:45
other type of goal? Um, let's say in the
41:48
next year or two,
41:50
um, I'm kind of in a mode of being sort
41:54
of close to retirement. Uh my industry
41:57
is changing quite a bit, you know, due
41:59
to AI and other things. Uh and I have
42:02
been trying over the last year to train
42:05
some people to be able to do some of the
42:08
actual film production stuff that we do.
42:11
I bought an RV,
42:14
beautiful RV, and uh it's got a shower
42:17
and a bathroom and uh two beds. Um one
42:21
that's that pops up on top. Uh but it's
42:24
still drivable for me cuz you know it's
42:26
difficult for me to drive one of those
42:28
big uh class C's. So this is a class B
42:31
which is basically a van kicked out with
42:35
um all kinds of great or tricked out
42:37
with all kinds to it but it's got for
42:40
example solar panels on the roof. Um
42:43
it's got a generator built into it. Uh I
42:46
had the batteries replaced with uh
42:48
lithium batteries so that now I can last
42:51
for weeks on this thing. refrigerator.
42:53
Um, but right now my goal is to be able
42:55
to spend more time up in the mountains
42:58
and less time um at work. And
43:03
to do that, you need to be able to smile
43:07
and enjoy the mountains. And part of the
43:09
problem was was that that's a big reason
43:12
I was using 70. Um, I would take 70 and
43:16
then and then go walk around the
43:17
mountains and just be feeling like, wow,
43:20
this is great. I'm just happy to be up
43:22
here.
43:23
>> Uh, you know, and again, I'm not telling
43:25
people to I don't think 708 should be
43:27
banned. I don't think people should
43:29
necessarily stop using it. I just think
43:31
that if you're going to use it, you need
43:33
to have it under control and be
43:34
disciplined about your usage of it. You
43:38
It's going to work better for people. I
43:40
I you know, if anybody is listening to
43:41
this podcast who is using 70, um, cut
43:45
down, man. This is what you got to do is
43:47
you need to decide, I'm only going to
43:48
take it three times a day. And then
43:50
you'll find it actually works better for
43:52
you if you um uh let it get out of your
43:57
system first before you take your next
44:00
dosage. So, you know, this isn't an
44:03
advertisement for 70, but um
44:07
uh but but I'm just saying that like so
44:09
once I stopped taking the 70 and making
44:12
my hike be all about me being on a drug,
44:17
um I have the the unwind. And so I can
44:21
take the unwind, get up in my RV in the
44:24
morning, make my little smoothie, take
44:26
my unwind, go for a walk out in the
44:29
woods, and feel like I feel the joy and
44:33
happiness. And I can tune out the things
44:36
that are interfering with my joy and
44:37
happiness. Cuz you're in touch with
44:39
nature when you're out there. All you
44:41
have to do is look around and start
44:43
looking at, you know, wow, look at this
44:45
beautiful plant that's out here. Or look
44:47
at this little creature. I just saw a
44:48
little creature pop its head up from
44:50
somewhere or just look at the view. Um
44:53
when you're up at Mount Charleston, the
44:54
views are incredible there. And so you
44:57
need a product that if you got the
44:59
racing mind, you don't want to walk
45:01
around out in the middle of the
45:02
mountains thinking to yourself, "Oh man,
45:05
but what about the problems? What about
45:07
trying to make the payment that you owe
45:09
on the um line of credit? Um, what about
45:12
the uh, you know, the deadlines that you
45:14
have coming up for the film production,
45:17
the projects that I've agreed to? Uh,
45:19
all those things. It's like, how do I
45:21
put them out of my head? And and that's
45:24
where your product helps quite a bit is,
45:26
you know, you can take it and then um,
45:29
be able to absorb things in a better
45:32
light.
45:36
I love it. I I live in Colorado now, so
45:39
I'm surrounded by the mountains and then
45:42
I just we just did a Keystone trip and
45:46
um about a month ago and super pretty.
45:48
There's just something about
45:50
disconnecting yourself from the constant
45:52
buzz and notifications.
45:54
Like in the beginning you it's a little
45:56
bit boring just because your brain has
45:57
to adapt to the silence and the lack of
46:02
pings in your life. But then as soon as
46:04
it settles, it's just so peaceful. And I
46:07
used to be a boy scout. I love that
46:08
stuff.
46:09
>> Yeah, that comes in handy. Colorado is
46:12
one of the few places I would consider
46:14
moving to, actually. What a beautiful um
46:18
what a beautiful place. You're not going
46:20
to run out of mountains and wildlife and
46:22
nature to look out out there in
46:24
Colorado.
46:25
>> Yeah.
46:27
Well, Glenn, I always like to wrap up
46:30
this podcast with three speed round
46:32
questions just to throw you some
46:33
curveballs before I let you go about
46:35
your day. You ready?
46:37
>> Uh, yeah. I'm just I'm readying my hands
46:39
here. Okay. Speed round. Speed round.
46:41
Speed round. Let's go.
46:42
>> Okay. All right. What is the dumbest
46:46
thing you've ever spent your money on?
46:50
Uh,
46:52
I bought a water I was an investor in a
46:54
water park uh back in 1999.
46:57
The place never even got built. So,
47:00
$20,000
47:01
to $20,000. I don't even know why I
47:03
thought this was going to be a
47:04
profitable deal, but $20,000 I invested
47:06
in a water park and never saw that money
47:08
again.
47:10
>> Oh, man.
47:14
in let's say we're in a different
47:18
universe like the spideyverse and if
47:21
money wasn't a problem and you can
47:23
choose any career you ever wanted do you
47:25
think you would pursue the same career
47:27
path or choose something different?
47:30
>> I I would choose the same career path
47:32
but if you forced me to choose a
47:33
different career I would probably um uh
47:37
work at an animal shelter.
47:42
Lastly,
47:43
>> or start an animal shelter. Yeah.
47:46
>> I I guess a quick question about that.
47:47
Do you think you do animals just on the
47:49
cats and dogs, or would you do more like
47:51
horses, maybe some um pigs and like kind
47:55
of like a more exotic one? I guess
47:58
horses aren't that exotic, but you know
48:00
what I mean. Hey, I I've seen those Tik
48:02
Toks of, you know, where somebody's got
48:04
like emus mixed with chickens and and I
48:08
like I like how the donkey on the farm
48:10
always goes and defends the other
48:12
animals. Um, but no, no, just give me
48:15
dogs and cats. I would be uh just fine
48:18
with with being running an animal
48:21
shelter of uh of dogs and cats. There's
48:23
so many dogs and uh and cats out there
48:26
that need adoption, have been through
48:28
terrible things. I've uh rescued my uh
48:31
my dogs in my lifetime. I've had two
48:33
dogs and three cats that have been
48:35
rescued. And you can't really see it
48:38
with the cats, but the dogs, you get to
48:40
see them go through a transformation uh
48:43
after they have been through something
48:44
horrible in their life and then they get
48:46
to see what it's like to have love. And
48:48
my current dog is a Dutch shepherd,
48:50
German Shepherd mix. And I when I got
48:53
her, she was about 35 pounds and now
48:56
she's 80 lbs. It's a lot healthier.
48:58
>> But I mean, she was fully grown, but had
49:00
been starved and was trying to survive
49:03
uh out on the streets probably killing
49:05
and eating um you know, prairie dogs or
49:08
whatever out there wherever she was
49:10
living. And uh you know, she had she
49:13
would just when she saw another human,
49:15
she would just put her head down and
49:16
tail between her legs and try not to be
49:18
noticed.
49:20
And uh and now I have this absolutely
49:22
wonderful goofy dog who every time a
49:26
friend comes over uh you know I've got a
49:27
friend staying with me right now and the
49:29
dog sees her and she runs up to my
49:31
friend and and uh sits and puts a paw
49:35
out and uh just tries to get some
49:38
attention and a treat and uh so I'm a
49:41
big fan of rescues and I I' would stick
49:43
to dogs and cats. That's plenty for me.
49:47
>> I love it. Lastly, if you can go back in
49:50
time and speak with younger Glenn and
49:52
just kind of give him one life advice
49:56
that you had to learn the hard way.
49:59
How old is younger Glenn and what's the
50:01
message?
50:04
Uh
50:07
uh you know the easy one is that back in
50:10
1999 I was worth about 30 million bucks.
50:15
In 2001,
50:17
I was worth about 20,000 bucks. Okay.
50:21
So, the easy thing is to just go back in
50:24
time and tell that Glenn, the $30
50:26
million Glenn, that it's not going to
50:29
get you're at your peak, man. So, you
50:31
need to get um as much as you can uh out
50:34
of the investments that you're in. Uh
50:36
which was mainly the company that I had
50:38
started. and uh uh you know you need to
50:41
there or stock methods that you can do
50:44
but honestly that's that's just um money
50:47
and I don't know that that's really what
50:49
I would say is the most important thing
50:50
in life. So maybe I would go back to um
50:57
uh 2010, Glenn, and say move out of LA
51:02
now instead of waiting until 2016
51:06
and you can you're going to be able to I
51:09
mean I got pretty I got in at the right
51:10
time. I have two houses here in Las
51:12
Vegas and they've both appreciated quite
51:15
a bit. But if I could have gotten here
51:17
in 2010, I would have um my whole
51:20
business would have been much more
51:21
successful. I wouldn't have had to go
51:23
through the kind of stressful times that
51:24
I went through. Um
51:28
uh like everything I could have been a
51:30
lot happier person for that period of
51:33
time and I would have loved to have seen
51:34
Vegas grow up. From 2010 to 2016, Las
51:38
Vegas went through quite a boom. And uh
51:42
I would have loved to have been there at
51:43
a little bit closer to the beginning of
51:45
that boom. It it would have to be after
51:47
2008, you know, there was a uh a housing
51:50
uh crash.
51:52
>> So that's why I say 2010 is getting it
51:55
right in after the housing crash would
51:57
have been the perfect time to move here.
51:59
I absolutely love Las Vegas. Um, I I say
52:02
I want to retire, but I'm already here
52:04
in the place that I want to retire to.
52:07
And so I just wish I'd gotten here a
52:09
little earlier.
52:13
If once I set up like our uh
52:18
manufacturing here in Colorado and it's
52:20
fully functioning by itself, my goal is
52:22
to either set up our like desk like
52:26
office in Vegas or in Texas. So
52:31
yeah, I love Vegas, too.
52:33
>> Yeah. Two, those are two places that
52:35
don't have a state income tax. So,
52:37
>> exactly.
52:38
>> You're good there. But of course, in
52:39
Texas, they have all these new
52:41
anti-marijuana laws. And who knows if
52:43
they will have an anti-Hemp laws. So, I
52:46
think if you're going to do that, you'll
52:48
probably end up here. And please make
52:50
sure you let me know so that we can go
52:52
hiking sometime.
52:54
>> Sounds good. Well, Glenn, I really
52:56
appreciate you hopping on and sharing
52:58
your story and for the audience. If you
53:01
guys have any questions for him, leave a
53:03
comment down below. I'll bug him with
53:05
some text and try to get some answers
53:06
for you guys. But yeah, thanks so much
53:09
for hopping on.
53:11
>> I'm very happy to do so. Um, to everyone
53:14
out there, again, I don't I'm not
53:16
ashamed to say it. I I was um suicidal
53:20
and the Unwind product helped me come
53:22
out of that unscathed. So, I really
53:26
recommend you try it and give it a
53:28
couple of weeks. Don't just um give up
53:31
on it after a few days cuz it does take
53:33
a couple of weeks to to hit you. So,
53:36
thank you very much for having me on. I
53:38
appreciate the opportunity to be able to
53:39
talk to people and tell my story. And
53:41
again, yeah. Yeah. if people ask your
53:44
questions. Um, I'm sure there will be a
53:46
lot of people that want to know how
53:48
about usage of 70 combined with unwind
53:51
and how I do it. So, I I'll go on there.
53:53
You tell me where to go and I'll go on
53:55
there and uh and respond to everybody.
53:58
>> Thank you, Glenn. Well, that's it
54:00
everyone. I'm wishing you all a healthy
54:03
and happy day. Peace.