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- 0:00Host 1: Imagine a country where, you know, the absolute biggest pop stars on earth are just randomly singing your local anthems.
- 0:06Host 2: Right. And like a hit television show about your local islands
- 0:10Host 2: is completely dominating global streaming charts. You are culturally everywhere.
- 0:14Host 1: Oh, totally everywhere. It's wild.
- 0:17Host 2: Yeah, but at the exact same time, a local pregnant woman in your actual town,
- 0:20Host 1: uh,
- 0:21Host 2: can't even get into a hospital to deliver her baby.
- 0:24Host 1: Wow.
- 0:25Host 2: Hackers are like actively stealing your immutable national health data.
- 0:29Host 2: Oh, and your basic property taxes just spiked by, um, 900%.
- 0:32Host 1: That is just a staggering number. I mean, it really is.
- 0:36Host 2: It's nuts. So today,
- 0:38Host 2: we are looking at a nation experiencing this really severe, um, structural dissonance.
- 0:43Host 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating paradox, really, because the external perception is one of just massive cultural success, right?
- 0:47Host 2: Mm-hmm.
- 0:48Host 1: But then the internal reality is one of this acute everyday infrastructural strain.
- 0:52Host 2: Exactly.
- 0:53Host 2: So, welcome to the Deep Dive. We've got a really fascinating stack of sources for you to look at today.
- 0:57Host 1: We do.
- 0:58Host 2: Specifically, we're looking at the front pages of four major Portuguese newspapers.
- 1:01Host 2: So that's Público, Diário de Notícias, Correio da Manhã, and Jornal de Notícias.
- 1:07Host 2: And, uh, all of them are dated May 28, 2026.
- 1:13Host 1: And that date, May 28, is essentially the skeleton key to understanding this entire narrative these papers are laying out.
- 1:18Host 2: Right. Okay, so let's unpack this for a second.
- 1:21Host 2: Our mission today is to connect these, you know, seemingly isolated daily headlines.
- 1:25Host 1: Exactly.
- 1:26Host 2: We're looking at a country grappling with a very heavy historical anniversary
- 1:31Host 2: while battling these hyper-modern crises across healthcare and housing.
- 1:35Host 1: Right, while simultaneously, like you said, experiencing an absolute explosion of cultural relevance.
- 1:39Host 2: Right.
- 1:40Host 2: So let's start with the history part. May 28, 2026.
- 1:43Host 2: This marks exactly 100 years since the May 28, 1926 military coup d'état.
- 1:48Host 1: Which was huge.
- 1:50Host 2: Yeah, a moment that profoundly changed Portugal's trajectory and, you know, led to decades of authoritarian rule.
- 1:54Host 1: Right. And the papers are devoting significant real estate to this anniversary.
- 1:59Host 1: They note the lingering, um, ghost of Salazar, obviously referencing the longtime authoritarian leader.
- 2:04Host 2: Right, right.
- 2:06Host 1: And there is this prominent, strictly factual coverage regarding concerns
- 2:11Host 1: that the radical right might try to like co-opt the narrative of this specific date.
- 2:15Host 2: Mm-hmm.
- 2:15Host 1: So it's very much a day of intense national reflection on the value of democratic institutions.
- 2:20Host 2: I mean, I get that.
- 2:22Host 2: But I'm struggling to connect these dots a bit.
- 2:25Host 1: How so?
- 2:26Host 2: Because right next to these sweeping, grand historical reflections on,
- 2:30Host 2: you know, the fragility of democracy, the papers are running headlines
- 2:34Host 2: about incredibly localized, almost petty corruption.
- 2:37Host 1: Oh, yeah.
- 2:38Host 2: Like, we have the Águas de Gaia scandal. An anonymous tip basically revealed
- 2:42Host 2: a contractor, António Mota, is suspected of raking in millions
- 2:45Host 1: Oh.
- 2:47Host 2: through direct awards.
- 2:49Host 1: Right, controlling contract prices.
- 2:51Host 2: Exactly. And the detail that really stands out to me is that
- 2:54Host 2: he allegedly paid for a municipal engineer's girlfriend to go on a trip.
- 2:59Host 1: Yeah, it's so specific.
- 3:01Host 2: It is. And then you have Paula Casimiro, a manager at SIRESP,
- 3:05Host 2: which is the emergency communications network, who somehow accumulated three different salaries.
- 3:09Host 1: And was teaching classes without ministerial permission.
- 3:13Host 2: Right. So why are the editors putting a municipal engineer's free vacation
- 3:17Host 2: or like unauthorized teaching gigs right next to warnings about the collapse of democracy?
- 3:22Host 2: I mean, isn't that just everyday local crime?
- 3:25Host 1: It might seem like just everyday local crime, sure, but the thing is, this is exactly how you measure the structural integrity of a state.
- 3:30Host 2: What do you mean?
- 3:31Host 1: Well, historical anniversaries act as a societal mirror, right?
- 3:35Host 2: Okay.
- 3:36Host 1: When the public is told to cherish and protect these grand democratic institutions,
- 3:40Host 1: but their daily reality involves watching local elite impunity—
- 3:44Host 2: Oh, I see.
- 3:45Host 1: yeah, like watching contractors manipulate municipal budgets or managers drain state resources without consequence—
- 3:51Host 1: well, civic trust just evaporates.
- 3:53Host 2: Right. It feels hypocritical to the everyday person.
- 3:55Host 1: Exactly. The historical ghost of authoritarianism, it only really gains traction
- 4:00Host 1: when the modern democratic reality feels fundamentally rigged.
- 4:04Host 2: Or just simply incompetent.
- 4:06Host 1: Yes, or incompetent.
- 4:07Host 2: And, man, nothing screams incompetent quite like the headlines regarding the justice system today.
- 4:12Host 1: Oh, the Hulk case.
- 4:14Host 2: Yes.
- 4:15Host 2: The papers are reporting on a leader of the notorious Brazilian gang, the PCC,
- 4:20Host 2: a man known as Hulk, was recently freed from a Portuguese prison.
- 4:25Host 1: And not because he was innocent.
- 4:28Host 2: No, he wasn't exonerated at all. He was freed simply because of excessive preventive detention.
- 4:32Host 1: Right.
- 4:33Host 2: Like, the legal clock literally just ran out before the system could process him.
- 4:38Host 1: And what's really fascinating here is the immediate exploitation of that administrative failure.
- 4:42Host 2: How so?
- 4:43Host 1: Well, he is now using a legal void.
- 4:46Host 1: He's applying for political asylum entirely to avoid extradition.
- 4:51Host 2: Oh, wow. You're kidding?
- 4:53Host 1: Nope. He just walks right through the loophole.
- 4:56Host 2: And the papers note this is the second case just like this in a single month.
- 5:00Host 1: Which is wild.
- 5:02Host 2: Right. So if citizens are already losing faith because of municipal corruption
- 5:06Host 2: and, you know, a justice system that literally lets high-level international gang leaders
- 5:11Host 2: walk out the front door because they couldn't keep track of a calendar,
- 5:14Host 1: Right, right.
- 5:16Host 2: what happens when those same citizens actually need the state to survive?
- 5:20Host 2: Because looking at these pages, the physical safety net is collapsing
- 5:24Host 2: right alongside the legal one.
- 5:26Host 1: You're pointing directly to the National Health Service, the SNS.
- 5:32Host 2: Yeah, exactly.
- 5:33Host 1: And the crisis documented here is uniquely modern.
- 5:37Host 1: It's under a dual siege. It's simultaneously failing in the digital realm and the physical realm.
- 5:42Host 2: Okay, let's look at the digital breach first because that headline is terrifying.
- 5:46Host 1: It really is.
- 5:48Host 2: The headlines reveal a massive data theft involving the SNS.
- 5:51Host 2: Health entities are facing heavy fines.
- 5:54Host 2: And the Association of Health IT Professionals, APISaúde, called this a very grave incident.
- 5:59Host 1: Right.
- 6:01Host 2: They're specifically warning that this stolen patient information is critical ammunition for large-scale cyberattacks.
- 6:05Host 1: And to understand why this matters so much, we really have to look at the specific nature of healthcare data.
- 6:10Host 2: Okay.
- 6:11Host 1: If your credit card gets stolen, your bank issues a new one, the old number is completely useless.
- 6:16Host 2: Sure. You just move on.
- 6:17Host 1: Exactly. But your medical history, your diagnoses, your biological data, your treatments,
- 6:21Host 1: that is immutable.
- 6:23Host 2: Right. You can't just change your blood type or your past surgeries.
- 6:26Host 1: Right. It cannot be canceled or reset.
- 6:29Host 2: Right.
- 6:30Host 1: So for malicious actors, this data is infinitely more valuable.
- 6:34Host 2: Wow.
- 6:35Host 1: It enables highly targeted spear-phishing, deep identity theft, mass extortion.
- 6:40Host 1: When a national health database is breached, it permanently compromises the personal security architecture of millions of citizens.
- 6:46Host 2: Man, that is bleak. And while that invisible data crisis is,
- 6:50Host 2: you know, playing out on servers somewhere, the physical reality in the hospitals is brutal.
- 6:54Host 1: Oh, it's exhausting.
- 6:56Host 2: The papers report that the SNS 24 line, which is like
- 7:01Host 2: the primary point of contact, the literal front door to the healthcare system,
- 7:05Host 1: Right.
- 7:06Host 2: it's racked up 2,222 complaints from 2025 up to May of 2026.
- 7:11Host 1: Over 2,000 complaints. That's massive.
- 7:14Host 2: And these complaints are overwhelmingly about the refusal of care, mass delays, and a total lack of referrals.
- 7:19Host 1: And you have to remember that systemic bottleneck translates directly into individual tragedies.
- 7:23Host 2: Yeah, absolutely. The most glaring example in the papers is from the Algarve.
- 7:27Host 2: A pregnant woman who was actively in labor went to the Faro Hospital and was straight up refused entry.
- 7:33Host 1: Which is just unimaginable.
- 7:35Host 2: She had to travel 70 kilometers down the coast to Portimão just to deliver her baby.
- 7:40Host 1: While in labor.
- 7:42Host 2: Yes. Add to this a prominent report about a notable worsening increase
- 7:47Host 2: in sexually transmitted infections requiring immediate public health resources.
- 7:51Host 1: Right.
- 7:53Host 2: It feels like we are looking at a system failing from the inside out.
- 7:56Host 2: I'm trying to picture the mechanism of this dual failure.
- 7:59Host 1: How do you mean?
- 8:00Host 2: It's like it's like looking at a fortress where the walls are crumbling, with pregnant patients literally being turned away at the gates,
- 8:05Host 2: while simultaneously hackers are just walking out the back door with the blueprints.
- 8:09Host 1: That's a great way to put it.
- 8:11Host 2: How do you even triage a system that is failing in the physical world and the digital world at the exact same time?
- 8:16Host 1: Well, the thing is, that is precisely the mechanism at play.
- 8:21Host 1: You cannot separate the physical exhaustion of an infrastructure from its digital security.
- 8:26Host 2: Wait, really? How are they connected?
- 8:29Host 1: Think about why health IT systems are so vulnerable right now. It's because national budgets are stretched to their absolute limits,
- 8:34Host 1: just trying to keep the physical doors of emergency rooms open.
- 8:37Host 2: Oh, so the IT budget gets slashed.
- 8:40Host 1: Digital security gets completely deferred.
- 8:43Host 1: Furthermore, when your physical staff is exhausted, when nurses and administrators are working double shifts
- 8:48Host 1: to cover these extreme personnel shortages,
- 8:51Host 2: They make mistakes.
- 8:53Host 1: Exactly.
- 8:54Host 1: They inadvertently click on a malicious email or they bypass a security protocol
- 8:58Host 1: just to get a patient processed a little faster.
- 9:01Host 2: Ah.
- 9:02Host 1: And that right there opens the door for a network breach. The physical exhaustion of the system provides the exact entry point
- 9:07Host 1: for the digital collapse.
- 9:09Host 2: That makes total sense, but it is terrifying. So if the physical safety net of healthcare is breaking down
- 9:14Host 2: and the legal system is struggling to hold on to criminals,
- 9:18Host 2: it leaves the everyday citizen incredibly vulnerable.
- 9:21Host 1: It's—
- 9:22Host 2: And that vulnerability feeds directly into the economic realities
- 9:26Host 2: splashed across these front pages,
- 9:29Host 2: because while all of this is happening, the basic cost
- 9:32Host 2: of putting a roof over your head in Portugal is skyrocketing.
- 9:37Host 1: Right. The data provided in these sources really elevates the housing crisis from like
- 9:42Host 1: a localized problem to a full-blown structural emergency.
- 9:46Host 2: Mm-hmm.
- 9:47Host 1: The Bank of Portugal released a statistic that perfectly illustrates the market distortion.
- 9:51Host 1: They said foreigners have the capacity to pay 43% more for a house than Portuguese citizens.
- 9:57Host 2: Okay, wait, let's unpack this for the listener.
- 10:00Host 2: Because 43% is a massive disparity.
- 10:04Host 1: It's huge.
- 10:05Host 2: How does that specifically impact a local family who isn't even trying to buy a new house
- 10:10Host 2: but just wants to, you know, stay in the one they already own?
- 10:12Host 1: Yeah, this raises an important question about how property valuation actually works in practice.
- 10:17Host 2: Right.
- 10:18Host 1: When foreign capital enters a local market with a 43% purchasing premium,
- 10:22Host 1: it doesn't just inflate the sale price of the specific properties they buy.
- 10:26Host 2: Right, it ripples out.
- 10:28Host 1: Exactly. It raises the assessed valuation of the entire surrounding neighborhood.
- 10:33Host 2: Ah, so it pulls everyone else's baseline up with it.
- 10:36Host 1: Yes.
- 10:37Host 1: The state recalculates the value of the land based on those foreign purchased comps.
- 10:41Host 1: And that leads directly to the headline from Matosinhos,
- 10:45Host 1: where local property taxes, the IMI, are spiking by up to 900%.
- 10:50Host 2: 900%. That's just wild.
- 10:52Host 1: Yeah.
- 10:53Host 1: Right. The local resident hasn't moved, their income hasn't changed,
- 10:57Host 1: but the state now taxes their home based on a global wealth premium they simply do not possess.
- 11:02Host 2: And so they are essentially taxed out of their own community.
- 11:05Host 1: Exactly.
- 11:06Host 2: Wow. So if global wealth is dictating the cost of the land,
- 11:10Host 2: local politicians are essentially bringing a water pistol to a house fire.
- 11:14Host 1: Basically.
- 11:16Host 2: The papers cover a new tax package aimed at the housing crisis, but critics are pointing out it fundamentally lacks public supply initiatives.
- 11:21Host 1: Right, they just aren't building enough homes.
- 11:23Host 2: Right. And meanwhile,
- 11:25Host 2: the government is trying to cut deep into required licensing opinions to speed up construction approvals,
- 11:29Host 2: all in the name of state reform.
- 11:32Host 2: But speeding up a building license doesn't help if the home being built
- 11:36Host 2: is ultimately priced for the foreign buyer with the 43% premium anyway,
- 11:40Host 1: which perfectly highlights the immense disconnect between the tools the state is using
- 11:44Host 1: and the massive forces driving the crisis.
- 11:46Host 2: Yeah.
- 11:47Host 1: And those forces are not just foreign home buyers, by the way. The reporting shows how deeply exposed
- 11:51Host 1: the local economy is to macro geopolitics.
- 11:55Host 2: Right, right. The papers note we are now three months into a war involving Iran.
- 11:59Host 1: Yes.
- 12:00Host 2: And the geopolitical reporting here states that the nuclear scenario and the regime remain completely unchanged,
- 12:05Host 2: but the persistent global inflation risk is worsening.
- 12:09Host 1: Mm-hmm.
- 12:10Host 2: And that is entirely because Iran holds a massive trump card, which is the Strait of Hormuz.
- 12:15Host 1: Right, and if we connect this to the bigger picture, the Strait of Hormuz is one of the most vital maritime choke points on the planet.
- 12:20Host 2: Yeah.
- 12:21Host 1: A massive percentage of the world's oil and liquefied natural gas passes through it.
- 12:26Host 1: So when there is conflict there, commercial shipping insurance skyrockets.
- 12:30Host 2: Which makes energy prices spike.
- 12:33Host 1: Exactly. And that inflation trickles down into every single supply chain.
- 12:38Host 2: Including the supply chain for building materials in Portugal.
- 12:41Host 1: Exactly.
- 12:42Host 2: So a conflict thousands of miles away dictates the cost of concrete and steel in Lisbon,
- 12:47Host 2: further driving up housing costs.
- 12:50Host 1: Yes, it's all connected.
- 12:53Host 2: And to add a literal environmental stressor to this economic pressure cooker,
- 12:57Host 2: the papers are warning of a looming heatwave predicted to last up to 15 days in some districts.
- 13:01Host 1: And that environmental factor just acts as an accelerant. It puts more pressure on the already strained
- 13:06Host 1: healthcare system we talked about, and it increases energy costs
- 13:09Host 1: for citizens who are already being squeezed by inflation.
- 13:13Host 2: Man.
- 13:14Host 2: So if you are an everyday citizen in 2026, the pressure is immense.
- 13:19Host 1: It's overwhelming.
- 13:21Host 2: Your institutions feel shaky, your hospitals are turning people away, you're competing for housing with global wealth,
- 13:25Host 2: and your daily inflation is tied to a strait in the Middle East, right?
- 13:29Host 2: Where does all this pressure go? Well, here's where it gets really interesting.
- 13:33Host 2: Because you turn the page and the narrative
- 13:36Host 2: flips entirely.
- 13:39Host 1: Like total whiplash.
- 13:41Host 2: We see a massive cultural eruption.
- 13:43Host 2: Despite the heavy, strained domestic picture, Portuguese culture and sporting talent
- 13:47Host 2: are punching massively above their weight class on the global stage.
- 13:51Host 1: The contrast is genuinely stunning. It is the literal definition of cultural soft power.
- 13:56Host 2: Let's look at the pop culture footprint for a second.
- 14:00Host 2: The Portuguese television series Rabo de Peixe has become a global phenomenon.
- 14:04Host 1: Oh, it's huge.
- 14:05Host 2: The front pages are boasting that it has surpassed 12 million views
- 14:10Host 2: and is sitting in the top 10 across 15 different countries.
- 14:13Host 1: Which is incredible. Achieving that level of cultural exportation means a specific, localized narrative
- 14:18Host 1: is suddenly occupying screens and conversations worldwide.
- 14:22Host 2: Right, it generates immense international visibility.
- 14:23Host 2: And that visibility is crossing over into global music too.
- 14:27Host 1: Mm.
- 14:28Host 2: Like Bad Bunny, who is arguably one of the most famous artists on the planet right now,
- 14:32Host 1: Totally.
- 14:33Host 2: he paid direct homage to Portuguese music icons.
- 14:36Host 2: He specifically featured the legendary tracks "Lisboa Menina e Moça" by Carlos do Carmo and "Minha Casinha" by Xutos & Pontapés.
- 14:42Host 1: Which is just so cool.
- 14:44Host 2: It's amazing.
- 14:46Host 2: And at the exact same time, traditional Fado music is having a major resurgence at home.
- 14:51Host 2: You have artists like Camané set to headline the Caixa Ribeira Festival on the Douro River in July.
- 14:56Host 1: Yeah.
- 14:58Host 2: It's like the culture is being fiercely validated by global superstars from the outside,
- 15:03Host 2: while also experiencing a deep traditional revival on the inside.
- 15:07Host 1: You know, looking at these sports headlines right next to the macroeconomic crisis—
- 15:12Host 2: Oh, yeah. The sports drama.
- 15:13Host 1: it almost acts as a necessary pressure-release valve for the public.
- 15:17Host 2: The drama is incredible.
- 15:19Host 2: On the tennis court, you've got Nuno Borges accelerating into the third round of Roland-Garros,
- 15:24Host 2: leading a massive Portuguese offensive in Paris.
- 15:27Host 1: Right, doing great.
- 15:29Host 2: But the off-court football drama is taking up huge amounts of ink.
- 15:33Host 2: Real Madrid is paying 15 million euros just to acquire manager José Mourinho.
- 15:37Host 1: Insane money.
- 15:40Host 2: Right. At Benfica, president Rui Costa is stirring up controversy
- 15:43Host 2: by preferring Fábregas over Marco Silva.
- 15:46Host 2: And up north, Porto's president Villas-Boas is launching a blistering attack on Sporting's president Varandas,
- 15:52Host 1: oh, calling their position at the League Assembly pathetic.
- 15:55Host 2: Yes, pathetic, and demanding education.
- 16:00Host 2: I mean, why does this specific flavor of football drama
- 16:04Host 2: command front-page real estate right next to a 100-year historical anniversary and a housing crisis?
- 16:08Host 1: Because football in Portugal functions as a highly visible, highly emotional surrogate for control.
- 16:13Host 2: How so?
- 16:15Host 1: Well, when the citizens feel they have absolutely no agency over 900% tax hikes
- 16:20Host 1: or international gang leaders exploiting legal loopholes,
- 16:23Host 2: Right.
- 16:24Host 1: the tribalism of football offers a safe arena for conflict. It is high stakes, deeply passionate,
- 16:29Host 1: but ultimately bounded by clear rules.
- 16:31Host 1: It provides catharsis.
- 16:33Host 2: Okay, I get that, but I have to push back a little here.
- 16:36Host 1: Sure.
- 16:37Host 2: It's amazing that Portugal is exporting its best flavor to the world, right?
- 16:42Host 2: A massive hit TV show, tennis stars winning in Paris, global musicians singing its anthems,
- 16:46Host 1: Yeah.
- 16:47Host 2: but does a hit Netflix show actually fix the plumbing?
- 16:51Host 1: No.
- 16:52Host 2: Does this cultural soft power do anything to alleviate the hard domestic problems we just talked about?
- 16:56Host 1: Directly, no, of course not.
- 16:59Host 1: Millions of streaming views will not staff the SNS 24 phone lines.
- 17:03Host 2: Right.
- 17:04Host 1: And a shout-out from Bad Bunny does not lower a property tax bill in Matosinhos.
- 17:09Host 2: Exactly.
- 17:10Host 1: But indirectly, the sociological function of this cultural boom is critical.
- 17:15Host 1: It fundamentally changes a nation's self-perception.
- 17:18Host 2: Okay, I see.
- 17:20Host 1: When a population is just exhausted by infrastructural failure,
- 17:24Host 1: cultural visibility injects a necessary resilience and pride.
- 17:27Host 1: Furthermore, cultural soft power buys international goodwill,
- 17:32Host 2: right, which has real value.
- 17:34Host 1: exactly.
- 17:35Host 1: That visibility can eventually translate into diplomatic leverage, tourism, and foreign direct investment.
- 17:40Host 2: Mm-hmm.
- 17:41Host 1: But it does leave the citizen navigating a profound cognitive dissonance, right? You're being deeply proud
- 17:47Host 1: of your country's global footprint, while really struggling to navigate its daily physical reality.
- 17:52Host 2: Cognitive dissonance, that is the thread that ties all of this together.
- 17:56Host 1: Totally.
- 17:57Host 2: And it brings us to the end of our journey through these May 28 front pages.
- 18:02Host 2: We started by looking at the 100-year anniversary of a coup, exploring how the daily grind
- 18:06Host 2: of institutional loopholes chips away at civic trust.
- 18:09Host 2: We traced how that state weakness bleeds into the physical and digital collapse of the healthcare system,
- 18:14Host 2: literally forcing citizens to navigate closed hospital doors and stolen data.
- 18:19Host 1: Mmm.
- 18:20Host 2: We saw how global geopolitics and foreign wealth are creating an inescapable
- 18:25Host 2: economic squeeze on local housing.
- 18:29Host 2: And finally, we arrived at the cultural escape valve, you know,
- 18:32Host 2: the undeniable, vibrant boom of Portuguese art and sports on the world stage.
- 18:36Host 1: Honestly, this stack of newspapers is an incredibly accurate microcosm of the modern nation-state in 2026.
- 18:42Host 2: It really is.
- 18:43Host 1: Culturally hyper-visible, digitally interconnected, but facing severe infrastructural strain at the local level.
- 18:48Host 2: Exactly. So before we go, I want to leave you with a lingering thought to mull over. We talked about how the justice system
- 18:54Host 2: essentially let a gang leader walk because the administrative clock ran out, and how he immediately used
- 18:58Host 2: an asylum loophole to avoid extradition.
- 19:02Host 1: Right.
- 19:02Host 2: As our world becomes more economically and culturally borderless,, you know, as money,
- 19:06Host 2: media, and people flow faster than ever before, are our traditional legal
- 19:10Host 2: and border systems actually becoming ripe for exploitation?
- 19:14Host 1: That's the big question.
- 19:16Host 2: Are the mechanisms designed to protect us becoming the exact tools that transnational actors use
- 19:21Host 2: to play the global game, leaving the everyday local citizen to bear the ultimate cost?
- 19:26Host 1: It's definitely something to think about.
- 19:30Host 2: It's something to think about the next time you see a global headline intersecting with a local reality.
- 19:35Host 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this Deep Dive. We'll catch you next time.