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Credlin | 7 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Week two with the
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Speaker 2: federal campaign. Is what's coming up from the show early
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Speaker 2: termol today the Australian stock market convulsions are the sword
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Speaker 2: corrected later on this afternoon, but the US tariff decision
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Speaker 2: is caused to wipe out in excess of one hundred billion.
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Speaker 2: Now the treasure then went on television and claimed that
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Speaker 2: a rate cut because of this. He says the market
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Speaker 2: say was on the way, which is very convenient from
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Speaker 2: electually campaign.
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Speaker 3: Instead of the politicians.
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Speaker 2: Though let's get a view from an expert economist, Warren Hogan.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, Labor announces its later as a billion dollars
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Speaker 2: renewable span two point three billion in batteries for the rich.
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Speaker 2: So that's the reality that the PM and Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: have conveniently omitted. Fluss are deeply unpopular to sind to
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Speaker 2: Allen today fronts up on Labour's federal campaign trail.
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Speaker 3: So how did it go?
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Speaker 2: I'll get the latest for both camps in just a
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Speaker 2: moment and another news poll overnight. Momentum still with Labor.
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Speaker 2: A lot can change in a week or two, says
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton as he declares the Coalition is the underdog.
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Speaker 4: There'll be scores of polling between now and the election
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Speaker 4: and we've got work to do.
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Speaker 1: There's no question about that.
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Speaker 4: We are the underdog in this race, but we're the
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Speaker 4: only party who can provide support to Australians in a
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Speaker 4: very uncertain age.
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Speaker 2: But first, in the first big policy backflip of the campaign,
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Speaker 2: the Coalition today dumped its policy and work from home
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Speaker 2: rights for federal public servants if elected in four weeks time,
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Speaker 2: and it said it would no longer be sacking anyone
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Speaker 2: to get the public sector head count down by forty
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Speaker 2: one thousand over the next five years as it's previously committed. Instead,
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Speaker 2: it will just be attrition to get the numbers down,
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Speaker 2: so that means when someone leaves, they're not replaced unless
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Speaker 2: they're in a frontline job like the Federal Police. And
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Speaker 2: the reason why the Coalition still wants that head count
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Speaker 2: down is because, as they say, Labour's increase of forty
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Speaker 2: one thousand bureaucrats in just three years is not a
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Speaker 2: good use of taxpayers money and it's hard not to
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Speaker 2: agree given we've hardly got any extra value for all
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Speaker 2: the people and the.
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Speaker 3: Billions it's cost us.
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Speaker 2: But let's be clear why the coalition has dumped this policy,
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Speaker 2: not because it isn't sound, but because they didn't sell
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Speaker 2: it well enough. They put it out there too early
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Speaker 2: in the campaign with nothing much else to talk about,
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Speaker 2: and they let a labour scare campaign take hold. Now,
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Speaker 2: let me explain in principle, it's absolutely reasonable for a
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Speaker 2: coalition government to want to make government as productive as
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Speaker 2: it can be and to reduce any unnecessary costs for taxpayers,
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Speaker 2: because the right side of politics believes government should be
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Speaker 2: only as big as it needs to be to do
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Speaker 2: the things that we can't do for ourselves, but otherwise
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Speaker 2: for government to be as small as possible. Now, labor,
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, a big government because big government
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Speaker 2: equals weak citizens, and the more people that the state employees,
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Speaker 2: the more people are in unions and outside the public
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Speaker 2: sector workforce. Before COVID, work from home flexibility was there
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Speaker 2: for public servants, but only on and as needs basis.
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Speaker 2: It was never five days a week. It was never
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Speaker 2: a right, nor should it be. But incomes labor and
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Speaker 2: to buy votes. It's allowed every public servant in the
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Speaker 2: country to demand the right to work from home all
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Speaker 2: five days a week. How on earth someone in Border Protection,
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Speaker 2: let's say, do their job from a laptop in their kitchen.
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Speaker 2: But this is just one of the department's home affairs,
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Speaker 2: where some seventy percent of public servants now work from home.
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Speaker 3: Federally.
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Speaker 2: Labour slam Dutton for this policy, even though Labour's Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins wants more of his new South Wales public servants
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Speaker 2: back in the office. So as sensible as this policy
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Speaker 2: is both in terms of the operation of good government
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Speaker 2: and productivity for taxpayers, the Coalition dropped it out too
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Speaker 2: early in the campaign and they failed to kill off
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Speaker 2: Labour's scare campaign. Instead, they let the story run that
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Speaker 2: if elected, Dutton would somehow force everyone private and public
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Speaker 2: sector alike back into the office and as somehow he
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Speaker 2: was anti women and anti family. He is Peter Datton today.
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Speaker 4: I think we've made a mistake in relation to this policy,
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Speaker 4: and I think it's important that we say that and
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Speaker 4: recognize it.
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Speaker 5: And our intention always was.
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Speaker 4: To make sure that where taxpayers are working hard and
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Speaker 4: their money is being spent to pay wages, it's been spenefficiently.
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Speaker 1: Our plan, which was only.
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Speaker 4: Ever targeted for the public Service in camera Labour's been
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Speaker 4: able to create into a scare campaign.
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Speaker 2: Look after an ordinary week last week and the stalling
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Speaker 2: momentum of the last month, the Coalition didn't the only
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Speaker 2: thing it could today with that policy that they hadn't
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Speaker 2: positioned well enough and a policy that was being distorted
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Speaker 2: and demonized by its opponents. That's why it's being dumped.
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Speaker 2: And that's what Labour has always been good at, taking
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Speaker 2: something that's perfectly reasonable and sensible and turning it into
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Speaker 2: a scare campaign. Because while Labor's terrible at government, they
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Speaker 2: are ruthless politically. It's this political rat cunning that's behind
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Speaker 2: the movement in the polls today, Today's News polls got
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Speaker 2: the government now ahead on the two party preferred basis
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Speaker 2: forty two forty eight fifty two, sorry, forty eight. And
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Speaker 2: while it's fair to say the Coalition strategists are concerned,
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Speaker 2: some Coalition supporters are even despondent, this is still anyone's race.
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Speaker 2: As a reminder, people last week in twenty ten, Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott well he was behind in every single poll of
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Speaker 2: that year and the campaign, but ended up with more
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Speaker 2: seats than Labour In twenty nineteen. It's got Morrison two
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Speaker 2: behind throughout the campaign, but he ended up with his
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Speaker 2: miracle win because quiet Australians didn't nest necessarily tell pollsters
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Speaker 2: what they were thinking. And this time around, well the
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Speaker 2: fundamentals is similarly against the government. There is a cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis in Australia and Anthony Albanese in his
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Speaker 2: government is to blame because they have made it much
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Speaker 2: much worse. The issue remains though, that while people are
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Speaker 2: feeling the pain, they've not yet connected that with Albanese
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Speaker 2: in his government. And that's the big job ahead for
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Speaker 2: the coalition now. Out there in the real world places
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Speaker 2: where people are watching reality TV tonight, they're not getting
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Speaker 2: a political update on Sky News. Amongst people who don't
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Speaker 2: read newspapers, who get their news via social media.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: The election hasn't even registered the election, they say, what election?
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Speaker 2: So the coalition has time to reboot its messages, but
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Speaker 2: they don't have forever because in two weeks time now
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Speaker 2: prepolls will open and people will start to vote, and
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Speaker 2: between now and then, Labour's pushed to buy your vote
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Speaker 2: will only ramp up further. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister well
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Speaker 2: he can't help telling lies to confuse voters. And it's
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Speaker 2: not just the power bills lie, which he might have
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Speaker 2: half believed before he then designed the modeling on which
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Speaker 2: it's based.
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Speaker 3: And it's not just.
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Speaker 2: The Chinese lie fire exercises. They're no big deal that lie,
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Speaker 2: which he might have felt was necessary to avoid further
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Speaker 2: antagonizing his mates in Beijing. And it's not just a
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Speaker 2: lie that the government was thinking about buying back the
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Speaker 2: port of Darwin pedaled that one out on NT radio
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Speaker 2: on Friday in a pathetic attempt to try and go
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Speaker 2: up the coalition. It's all the little lies he tells
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Speaker 2: that say a hell of a lot about his character.
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Speaker 6: I stepped back one step.
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Speaker 7: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down.
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Speaker 8: But I was sweet, give.
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Speaker 3: Me a break.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if he can tell blatant lies over that,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to just admitting here at the tumble the
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Speaker 2: movie going, well, how can we trust this bloke on
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Speaker 2: the things that we don't see with our own eyes.
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Speaker 2: If he lies on the little stuff, God help us
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Speaker 2: on the big stuff. Look, I want to start tonight
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Speaker 2: out on the PM's campaign. It began in Victoria this morning.
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Speaker 2: So no surprise or coalition got in early with this attack.
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Speaker 9: Ad Albow and Allen are double trouble.
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Speaker 10: Labour's budget shows ten years of deficits, Victoria has the
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Speaker 10: worst debt of any state and crime is at an
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Speaker 10: all time high.
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Speaker 11: We can't afford three more years of Labor.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, Senior political reporter Tritty Macintosh, Well, they
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Speaker 2: finally got together, the PM and the Victorian Premier today.
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Speaker 2: What was the reaction like, Trudy, Yeah, I feel like we've.
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Speaker 8: Been talking about this for days, Peter. Finally a decision
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Speaker 8: made within the Labor camp that they needed to cauterize
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Speaker 8: this word. Get out there, be together and you won't
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Speaker 8: have to do it again in this campaign. I think
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Speaker 8: it was telling where we went and how long we
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Speaker 8: were on the ground. We were whisked to Sunshine Station.
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Speaker 8: It's a very safe labor seat. Sixteen percent held by
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Speaker 8: MP Dan Malino. There wasn't even new funding announce a
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Speaker 8: re announcement of the two billion dollars from February this
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Speaker 8: year for rail upgrades, and on almost every question where
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Speaker 8: this was the contentious issue of what about the premiere
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Speaker 8: potentially dragging down the popularity the premier being asked whether
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Speaker 8: she will take any responsibility if Anthony Abernezi goes backwards
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Speaker 8: in Victoria on both occasions and immediate pivot to speak
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Speaker 8: about Peter Dutton. That is what they want the contrast
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Speaker 8: to be, not at all for Melbournians to try and
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Speaker 8: link the two things together. But as you just played,
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Speaker 8: that attack ad is going to be used over and
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Speaker 8: over again against Labor. I asked the Prime Minister about
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Speaker 8: this and have a lo how quickly he managed to
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Speaker 8: move the topping onto something else. You concerned her plunging
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Speaker 8: popularity can be a drag on Labour's schedual chances here
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Speaker 8: in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: Ellen.
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Speaker 7: One of the issues that Victoria has had to deal
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Speaker 7: with has been done by successive comworalth governments. That's why
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Speaker 7: when Victoria was doing investing in projects like Melbourne Metro,
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Speaker 7: they lost their partners in the Conworth.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Trudy. We'll leave it out.
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Speaker 2: I'll just remind people to that train station, the actual
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Speaker 2: physical station, not the line to it, just the station
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Speaker 2: is due for a one billion dollar spend. If Labor
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Speaker 2: is reelected on one train station, can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: Let's go down of Peter Dutton's campaign bus and joined
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Speaker 2: now by political reporter Julia Bradley. Well, Julia Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: straight out today in the ultra marginal seat of Stird
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Speaker 2: in South Australia. But it was a national message out
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Speaker 2: of his campaign today, the dump of their work from
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Speaker 2: home policy.
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Speaker 10: It's certainly dominated today's stay of campaigning Peter, because the
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Speaker 10: Opposition leader came out, he apologized and he essentially said
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Speaker 10: that the Coalition got this policy wrong. Rather than forcing
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Speaker 10: public servants in camera back to the office, is vowing
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Speaker 10: to maintain work from home flexibility. That does follow some
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Speaker 10: polling suggesting this policy wasn't washing well with all female voters,
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Speaker 10: but Peter Dutton maintaining this has been a labour scare
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Speaker 10: campaign which sought to convince voters that this was a
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Speaker 10: policy being enacted right across the board. Rather Peter Dutton
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Speaker 10: maintaining it's about improving efficiency in the public service in
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Speaker 10: camera alone. Now this wasn't the only change declared today. Also,
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Speaker 10: instead of sacking forty one thousand public servants, Peter Dutton
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Speaker 10: saying he wants them to go of their own accords,
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Speaker 10: so through natural attrition or through hiring freezers over a
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Speaker 10: five year period, raising the question though whether that many
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Speaker 10: would actually go in that period and also whether the
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Speaker 10: coalition could net seven billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: It said that those cuts would deliver.
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Speaker 10: Annually by that fifth year, so a big day on
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Speaker 10: the coalition campaign. There were targeting seats in Adelaide, particularly
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Speaker 10: that marginal seat of Sturt. Since then, though, Peter Dutton
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Speaker 10: wanting to redirect the focus onto cost of living, visiting
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Speaker 10: petrol stations to really tout that policy of making fuel
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Speaker 10: cheaper for motorists back in Western Sydney. Now ahead of
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Speaker 10: that Sky News People's Forum which will be held tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: We will not miss that, Julia, thank you, And just
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Speaker 2: on the public service, I might add, you work them hard,
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Speaker 2: you work them long, you make them accountable for their results,
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Speaker 2: so you might find a few of them decide the
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Speaker 2: door is easier than staying in the job. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's get into a whole lot of other issues on
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Speaker 2: the Monday. Joining me in our national editor at the
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Speaker 2: Australian Debta Shanahan and Sky's contributor Chris Yulman. Gens will
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Speaker 2: go straight to work from home. Julia made the point
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Speaker 2: there the coalition dumping that policy today Chris, it became
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Speaker 2: something that was less about the Canberra bureaucrat and more,
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Speaker 2: I guess the fear, particularly for women. They say that
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Speaker 2: it would be a rite taken away in every workplace
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Speaker 2: around the country.
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Speaker 3: Did he have.
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Speaker 2: Any other option? And will this end it for the coalition?
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Speaker 2: Now that these policy is dumped? Will they be able
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Speaker 2: to move on?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 12: I'm assuming Peter that what the Coalition was seeing as
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Speaker 12: tracking polling was the same thing that the Labour Party
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Speaker 12: was seeing, and that this was killing it and their
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Speaker 12: messaging was so bad that they had to dump it
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Speaker 12: and gets far away from the pulse they possibly could.
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Speaker 12: Will they let them forget it? No? I think they'll
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Speaker 12: make them wear it like a crown of thorns all
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Speaker 12: the way through to election day. Why because first and
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Speaker 12: foremost it looks inept. Secondly, they'll be able to raise
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Speaker 12: the question about how they're going to pay for some
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Speaker 12: of the cuts that they are those cuts are going
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Speaker 12: to pay for some of the promises they're making. And thirdly,
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Speaker 12: the Labor Party will simply say they're going to do
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Speaker 12: it anyway, they're just waiting until after the election. They
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Speaker 12: are all the things you or I would do if
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Speaker 12: we were in the same position as the Labor Party
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Speaker 12: finds itself in now. The thing I find amazing is
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Speaker 12: that a coalition government led by a Liberal Party, which
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Speaker 12: should be the party of small government, now can't go
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Speaker 12: to an election campaign arguing for smaller government, which used
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Speaker 12: to be standard. That the page one, chapter one of
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Speaker 12: the Liberal Party was We're going to cut government spending.
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Speaker 9: Now they can't even.
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Speaker 1: Do that, Like, you know, that really is.
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Speaker 12: A pretty big blow for them in this part of
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Speaker 12: the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, at the top of the show, I said,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's always been the right side of politic
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Speaker 2: that says government is big as it needs to be
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Speaker 2: to do all the things that we can't do as
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Speaker 2: citizens for ourselves, but as small as possible. And I
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Speaker 2: fear they went out way too early on this. They
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Speaker 2: did not need to go out there when they went
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Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 3: About four weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: But when they went out on this issue, they had
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Speaker 2: basically nothing else to discuss.
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Speaker 3: It was this and Daylight.
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Speaker 2: And Labors very cunningly linked it to Donald Trump. This
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Speaker 2: is Trump's sort of popularity in Australia has really fallen away.
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Speaker 2: But it's not a Trumpian policy. This is core business
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Speaker 2: if you're a coalition government.
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Speaker 12: You would think so it has been forever, right, Well,
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Speaker 12: it did until we got to the big government Conservative
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Speaker 12: when we can talk about them another day. But what
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Speaker 12: we're seeing here is a really serious position for Liberal
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Speaker 12: Party now if it cannot reduce the size of government,
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Speaker 12: which was what this policy was all about. So I
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Speaker 12: find that this is an extraordinary position for the Liberal
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Speaker 12: Party to find itself in, particularly this part of the campaign,
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Speaker 12: and they now need to look at the way that
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Speaker 12: they message things and they can't tell a long term story.
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Speaker 12: I would have been spending the last three years pointing
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Speaker 12: out to people that the Australian bureaucracy is the highest
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Speaker 12: paid bureaucrats, are the highest paid bureaucrats in the world,
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Speaker 12: and that we've seen a massive expansion of them and
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Speaker 12: now many of them are working from home, and there
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Speaker 12: are very serious questions about how hard some of them
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Speaker 12: working from home.
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Speaker 9: And I make that.
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Speaker 12: Case for a couple of months or for a couple
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Speaker 12: of years, and then you're in a position to do.
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Speaker 2: Something and they're not working from home in camera am
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Speaker 2: I Dad. They're working from home in their caravans and
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Speaker 2: all around the country trying to connect back.
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Speaker 9: They're not working from home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, deadis talk to me about newspole today. Another
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Speaker 2: boost here for labor. Primary is unchanged. There was primaries
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Speaker 2: at thirty three dropped though in the coalition one point
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Speaker 2: down to thirty six two party preferred.
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Speaker 3: It's where correct.
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Speaker 2: Me if I'm wrong, but it's where labor was at
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Speaker 2: the last election. That was a shocking result for labor.
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Speaker 2: But they're on the improvement. It feels like absolutely they
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Speaker 2: got that momentum a couple of weeks ago and they.
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Speaker 3: Are hanging on to it.
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I tend to agree with you, disagree with
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Speaker 13: you a little bit there because I think that what
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Speaker 13: the News poll has shown is not so much momentum
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Speaker 13: for Labor but a loss of liberal momentum.
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Speaker 9: And also there is very little.
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Speaker 13: Movement in this pole a point here or there. Yes,
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Speaker 13: the two party preferred calculations shifted. It's better for labor,
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Speaker 13: and of course that's better for the government. But I
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Speaker 13: think that it's too early yet to say that the
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Speaker 13: momentum is with the Labor Party. Clearly the Liberals are
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Speaker 13: not having a good start to the campaign. But curiously,
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Speaker 13: the only number in that News poll today which actually
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Speaker 13: was anywhere near the margin of error was actually an
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Speaker 13: improvement for Peter Dutton on the preferred prime minister. So
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Speaker 13: the actual you know, when you look at the numbers,
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Speaker 13: the biggest shift was a positive for Peter Dutton. But
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Speaker 13: I think it still comes down to that where these
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Speaker 13: changes are occurring in which states and of course in
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Speaker 13: which seats. I think that yes, the government's better off
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Speaker 13: with an extra point on that two party preferred advantage,
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Speaker 13: but I think that it is too early to say
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Speaker 13: that Peter Dutton's written off, and the Labor parties saying that, well,
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Speaker 13: it's you know, it's just a question. And of course
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Speaker 13: momentum is important, it really is important, and sole are perceptions,
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Speaker 13: and I think this poll has helped the perceptions for
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Speaker 13: the government, but fundamentally there are still real problems there
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Speaker 13: for Labor, particularly on that primary vote. I mean, they're
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Speaker 13: celebrating because they're back to where they were at the
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Speaker 13: last election when they won by one seat. They're going
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Speaker 13: into this election and it was of two there.
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Speaker 2: Were, and it was their worst results since the nineteen
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Speaker 2: forties too. So you know, I do not add all
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Speaker 2: any way, shape or form, roll the coalition here or
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Speaker 2: say that they can't come back from where they are now.
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Speaker 2: But clearly they've got to improve because they don't just
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Speaker 2: need to get to minority government given that horseshoe, They've
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Speaker 2: really got to try and get to a majority position.
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Speaker 2: That's the challenge for them. Talk to me today about
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Speaker 2: what happened on the stock exchange in the political sense here,
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Speaker 2: Chris Yielman, because one hundred billion dollars wiped off.
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Speaker 3: Yes, there's been some recovery.
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Speaker 2: This afternoon, I'll get into the economics and how it
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Speaker 2: might play out with interest rates at a moment with
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Speaker 2: Warren Hogan. But we know in Canada. I'm watching Canada
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Speaker 2: really closely. The Conservatives in Canada, we're in the box
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Speaker 2: seat to win. Then roles in Trump and he has
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Speaker 2: basically turned it around and they left look like they
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Speaker 2: could be returned, which I find extraordinary. But that's where
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Speaker 2: they are, and that's sort of been the same sort
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Speaker 2: of response to Trump in this contest in Australia with
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Speaker 2: that soft undivided vote, unzercided vote.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, and look, there are some big Trump supporters and
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Speaker 12: some of those big Trump supporters what Sky News, But
19:56
Speaker 12: I can tell you that that's not a majority of
19:58
Speaker 12: Australian So say twenty percent of people support Donald Trump
20:01
Speaker 12: in Australia and think that he's doing a great thing
20:03
Speaker 12: and would like to see more of it. We'd like
20:05
Speaker 12: to see some of it here. That's a minority of
20:08
Speaker 12: the Australian electric Now, he genuinely does unsettle a lot
20:12
Speaker 12: of Australians. And if that can be hung around the
20:14
Speaker 12: neck of the coalition, and that's a problem. And if
20:16
Speaker 12: you keep saying to people as they have been messaging,
20:19
Speaker 12: which is that we'll deal better with Donald Trump than
20:22
Speaker 12: the Labor Party with we're getting to a point where
20:24
Speaker 12: that sounds a bit like the guy in the bar
20:25
Speaker 12: who says that that bloke with a broken bottle is
20:27
Speaker 12: my best mate. You've got to be very careful about
20:30
Speaker 12: the way that you attach yourself to Donald Trump. And
20:32
Speaker 12: going to the share market. What does the share market matter,
20:35
Speaker 12: not just in Australia but overseas to most Australians the
20:38
Speaker 12: superannuation and that will be a very big deal as
20:42
Speaker 12: this continues to roll on. If the markets continue to
20:44
Speaker 12: tumble and people who have money tied up through this
20:47
Speaker 12: superannuation will begin to wonder about their future, and that
20:51
Speaker 12: then brings in the older spectrum of voters for the
20:53
Speaker 12: Coalition where they usually have their larger base of people.
20:56
Speaker 12: If they're getting unsettled, then that's not good for the Coalition.
21:00
Speaker 12: And the other thing in this campaign is Easter comes in.
21:02
Speaker 1: The middle of it.
21:03
Speaker 12: We'll be voting in a fortnight. There's very little time
21:06
Speaker 12: left Peter for the Coalition to make a big splash
21:09
Speaker 12: and capture people's imaginations. So if they're hiding something up
21:11
Speaker 12: their sleeve, they better bring it out soon.
21:15
Speaker 2: Get it out, get it out, Get it out, Hey, Dennis,
21:17
Speaker 2: when you're watching Tomorrow the Sky and News debate, because
21:19
Speaker 2: these are questions from ordinary people and the two men
21:22
Speaker 2: very close together on the same shared stage, I think
21:27
Speaker 2: this is such an interesting election debate because you really
21:31
Speaker 2: see how they relate to ordinary people.
21:34
Speaker 3: What are you going to be looking for tomorrow night, Oh.
21:37
Speaker 5: Well, I think obviously.
21:39
Speaker 13: Again, the campaign is going to decide the election and
21:44
Speaker 13: the points like this debate are really pivotal for both sides.
21:48
Speaker 13: What we have to see from both leaders is, first
21:51
Speaker 13: of all, no mistakes. Anyone who makes a mistake is
21:55
Speaker 13: going to be in deep trouble. Peter Dutton, who's had
21:58
Speaker 13: a slow start, can't forward any mistakes at all, and
22:02
Speaker 13: what we have to see from the Prime Minister is
22:05
Speaker 13: his ability to actually get across detail. What we have
22:10
Speaker 13: seen in the last couple of days, particularly with the
22:12
Speaker 13: Port of Darwin, where he has got the Labor Party
22:15
Speaker 13: into trouble. He's made a mistake about what the policy was,
22:20
Speaker 13: he's overstated it and now he's constantly trying to walk
22:24
Speaker 13: back and he gave Peter Dutton a little window there
22:29
Speaker 13: after Peter Dutton had that slow start. So I think
22:34
Speaker 13: what we'll be looking for is for Anthony Alberanezi to
22:38
Speaker 13: demonstrate and remember he wasn't good on detail in the
22:42
Speaker 13: first election campaign, although he won, but there will be
22:47
Speaker 13: a real pressure on him to get the details right.
22:51
Speaker 13: For Peter Dutton, it'll be the challenge to actually try
22:55
Speaker 13: and lift the spirit and lift the rhetoric and concentrate
23:00
Speaker 13: on the economy and cost of living. This is where
23:05
Speaker 13: we're going to move in the debate to the economy.
23:09
Speaker 9: We've had all these disruptions, we'll have more.
23:12
Speaker 13: But what we have to see a Prime minister across
23:16
Speaker 13: the detail and a leader of the opposition who's able
23:19
Speaker 13: to lift the spirits of each side.
23:23
Speaker 3: And message discipline.
23:24
Speaker 2: I'd have to say to Peter Dutton, all right, I'll
23:26
Speaker 2: leave it there, Jens, thank you very much, see you
23:28
Speaker 2: next week.
23:28
Speaker 3: All right.
23:29
Speaker 2: As I mentioned too, the markets today intermol the ASX
23:32
Speaker 2: plunging over six points this morning, one hundred billion dollars
23:35
Speaker 2: wiped off in a reaction to those tariffs announced last week,
23:39
Speaker 2: of course by the US President. Joining me now, economic
23:42
Speaker 2: advisor for Judo Bank, Warren Hogan to break it all down.
23:47
Speaker 2: The worst day we're told on our markets, Warren, since
23:49
Speaker 2: the height of COVID back in mid twenty twenty. As
23:53
Speaker 2: I said, things stabilized by day's end, but give us
23:56
Speaker 2: your read of a pretty turbulent market.
24:01
Speaker 5: It was all panic this morning.
24:03
Speaker 14: When the overnight markets for the US and Europeans opened
24:07
Speaker 14: early our time, we saw a big collapse. US equities
24:11
Speaker 14: prices down five percent and that hit US at our open.
24:15
Speaker 14: But yes, they have stabilized. Although'll note that just as
24:18
Speaker 14: Europe's starting to wind up now we're seeing some further weakness.
24:21
Speaker 14: But it'll all be whether or not we see some
24:23
Speaker 14: follow through selling in the US tonight. This is not
24:27
Speaker 14: over by a long shot. We're seeing all markets moving
24:30
Speaker 14: quite a lot, and including a big collapse in the
24:33
Speaker 14: oil price, which is good news, but that's about the
24:35
Speaker 14: only silver lining at this stage.
24:39
Speaker 2: Was it all about Trump or was there something broader
24:44
Speaker 2: air in terms of the Asian markets?
24:47
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, the end game on Trump's strategy, of course,
24:50
Speaker 14: is going to have profound ramifications for the Asian economic model.
24:54
Speaker 14: I mean, it's been based on building out exports through
24:58
Speaker 14: manufacturing and Trump's trying to rever that. But look, I
25:02
Speaker 14: am worried that the kind of volatility we saw on
25:05
Speaker 14: Friday night and this morning is revealing some other financial
25:10
Speaker 14: vulnerability in the broader system in the US, Europe, Australia
25:15
Speaker 14: that isn't actually related to tariffs that's obviously been triggered
25:19
Speaker 14: here would be more problematic given the economy is likely
25:24
Speaker 14: to slow in response to tariffs. That's what I'm watching for.
25:27
Speaker 14: That's where this goes from bad to worse. Fingers crossed.
25:30
Speaker 14: It doesn't. But if it's just about tariffs, then I
25:34
Speaker 14: think we've sort of seen the worst of the reaction
25:36
Speaker 14: and we should start to see markets stabilize, although there
25:39
Speaker 14: are particular problems out there for certain companies.
25:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm happy, I'm not going across the Pacific
25:46
Speaker 2: anytime soon. With the Aussie now below sixty US cents,
25:50
Speaker 2: that's low. Do we expect it to stay low?
25:54
Speaker 5: Yeah?
25:55
Speaker 14: Well, look, if the tariffs play out and we see
25:58
Speaker 14: Asia's economies hit that, it's going to be our big
26:01
Speaker 14: export markets. That's going to be what economists call an
26:05
Speaker 14: income shock for us. We're going to see less exports
26:07
Speaker 14: and lower value of our exports for iron, ore cole
26:11
Speaker 14: L and G. And of course the first and most
26:14
Speaker 14: important shock absorber for the economy or move is going
26:17
Speaker 14: to be the Aussie dollar. And we've seen that it's
26:19
Speaker 14: only down five percent in the past week. Equity markets
26:23
Speaker 14: to fall and ten to fifteen percent, but we should
26:26
Speaker 14: expect that to continue. I wouldn't be surprised to see
26:28
Speaker 14: that continue right through the next few months.
26:31
Speaker 5: And we could go and test the lows of.
26:33
Speaker 14: Late around the turn of the century around forty nine
26:38
Speaker 14: cents to the US dollar. Look, that remains to be seen,
26:41
Speaker 14: but yes, the Aussie dollar is going to remain under
26:43
Speaker 14: pressure in this sort of environment.
26:47
Speaker 2: Today, after the turbulent morning, the Treasure was out and
26:50
Speaker 2: about and he was talking out the likelihood. Well, he
26:53
Speaker 2: said Sessions on the table He was also talking out
26:56
Speaker 2: the likelihood now that the RBA will be forced into
26:59
Speaker 2: aund of tax sorry, of tax.
27:03
Speaker 3: Cuts, of official rate cuts.
27:04
Speaker 2: Heysaying not me, not me, the market saying there could
27:07
Speaker 2: be up to four.
27:09
Speaker 3: How plausible is that?
27:12
Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, the markets are panicking and their response is
27:15
Speaker 14: pretty severe and pricing in not only a full rate
27:19
Speaker 14: cut in May, but a chance of a fifty point
27:21
Speaker 14: cut and then follow up cuts at every meeting. We're
27:24
Speaker 14: talking about four or five rate cuts taking the cash
27:26
Speaker 14: right down to about three percent. Look, that could easily
27:29
Speaker 14: play out if the worst happens, if it's not a
27:32
Speaker 14: broader financial problem, if it's really just this tariff issue,
27:37
Speaker 14: I think the RBA.
27:38
Speaker 5: Would be thinking about that.
27:39
Speaker 14: They've got two or three rate cuts up their sleeve
27:42
Speaker 14: that would take the rate down to three and a half,
27:45
Speaker 14: which they thinks about neutral. But beyond that would have
27:48
Speaker 14: to be in real trouble. And as I said before,
27:50
Speaker 14: it's the currency that is really going to do the
27:52
Speaker 14: heavy lifting protecting our economy.
27:56
Speaker 2: There's no surprises that the treasure was talking up rate
27:59
Speaker 2: cuts the middle of an election campaign. I'll leave there,
28:02
Speaker 2: Warren Hogan, thank you. After break Cause, Samaris Labor pollster.
28:06
Speaker 2: He's going to give a solid state of play, the
28:08
Speaker 2: mood of the electorate in a moment, plus the Muslim vote,
28:10
Speaker 2: Greens Party or they've teamed up to push their grievance politics.
28:14
Speaker 2: We'll get back to that and talk about the impact
28:16
Speaker 2: it might have on voters. Welcome back to Phil to
28:24
Speaker 2: come the key detail the PM admitted from his Big
28:27
Speaker 2: Battery announcement over the weekend. The first latest red Bridge
28:31
Speaker 2: poll released over the weekend show Labor has a fifty
28:34
Speaker 2: two forty eight two pp lead over the coalition. However,
28:39
Speaker 2: on primary vote terms, a Coalition still ahead at thirty six,
28:43
Speaker 2: Labor there at thirty three. Let's get into this and
28:47
Speaker 2: more with the red Bridge director CAUs Samarus Cause welcome.
28:51
Speaker 2: You're in a par there with News poll. We just
28:53
Speaker 2: discussed News poll. I'm keen on a few things here.
28:57
Speaker 2: What's driving this boost for Labor? I mean, is it
29:00
Speaker 2: coming from their base? Is their base coming home or
29:03
Speaker 2: are they picking up the undersided here do you think?
29:06
Speaker 15: No, Definitely it's coming from their base which they lost
29:09
Speaker 15: over the last eight months. So it's largely women in
29:12
Speaker 15: the out of sidebs and regions, no question, and that's
29:17
Speaker 15: a deliberate strategy there is that.
29:18
Speaker 9: They've been implementing over the last four weeks.
29:22
Speaker 2: So what's been that thing though that's turned those women
29:26
Speaker 2: back to Labor.
29:28
Speaker 9: It wasn't hard to win them back.
29:30
Speaker 15: All that camp had to do was basically start rolling
29:33
Speaker 15: out a number of policies Medicare and the childcare announcement,
29:37
Speaker 15: and there was a big package around women's health. But
29:40
Speaker 15: they've been actually through the social channels ruthlessly targeting these women.
29:48
Speaker 15: So you know, through advertising influences, they've been really focused
29:55
Speaker 15: on this group and it's not hard for them to
29:58
Speaker 15: bring it back flip side, I think, you know, the
30:02
Speaker 15: Dunton camp made a very huge strategic eraror with regards
30:05
Speaker 15: to work work from home.
30:06
Speaker 9: A lot of the.
30:07
Speaker 15: Women that we've been speaking to say that they thought
30:10
Speaker 15: it was extending to them, you know, even though they
30:12
Speaker 15: were working in.
30:13
Speaker 9: The private sector. So it just helped Labour's campaign.
30:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, because on those things you talked about, their women's
30:22
Speaker 2: policies healthcare predominantly Medicare, et cetera. All of those have
30:26
Speaker 2: been matched by the Coalition, So something had to shift
30:29
Speaker 2: them back to Labor. Given there an even sort of
30:31
Speaker 2: Stevens race and clearly as work from home. I think
30:35
Speaker 2: Labour's scare campaign that there were scarrecame very scare campaign
30:39
Speaker 2: very well. That made them think even if they weren't
30:42
Speaker 2: a public service player, that you know, their flexibility.
30:46
Speaker 3: Was up for grabs.
30:48
Speaker 2: What else is an issue out there for the Coalition?
30:50
Speaker 2: What would you be saying to them this week that
30:52
Speaker 2: they really need to turn the corner on.
30:54
Speaker 15: They've obviously got a problem. I mean they're losing votes
30:57
Speaker 15: not to Labor, they're losing votes to their right flank.
31:00
Speaker 15: And the thing about polling in this country of the
31:03
Speaker 15: last I would say two years, is that it's probably
31:06
Speaker 15: not honest with you know, you folk and probably the
31:08
Speaker 15: public in terms of what has actually really happened. So
31:12
Speaker 15: late twenty twenty two Palmer de registers UAP. It wasn't
31:17
Speaker 15: really about three or four months after that we as
31:20
Speaker 15: pulses start taking up out of the questions and really
31:23
Speaker 15: we didn't see the manifestation of that and probably until
31:26
Speaker 15: about I reckon mid twenty twenty three. What happened about
31:29
Speaker 15: that time colis she vote starts going right, so three
31:34
Speaker 15: percent of that has gone back to the Coalition during
31:37
Speaker 15: that during that period, you know, Hence the Coalition has
31:40
Speaker 15: been sitting on thirty nine forty for some time.
31:43
Speaker 9: Palmer starts his campaign at the beginning of March.
31:46
Speaker 15: What happens, coalition loses about three three points and so
31:50
Speaker 15: that's what we're seeing here. Palmer's basically inflicting damage on
31:53
Speaker 15: the Coalition and we know that all those votes come back.
31:58
Speaker 15: So again we're back to twenty twenty two where Palmer
32:00
Speaker 15: probably did more damage the Coalition than he did to Labor.
32:05
Speaker 2: And the problem with Palmer, you know, first manifestation he
32:08
Speaker 2: had people in the Parliament, but everyone had a good
32:10
Speaker 2: look at him. Then he never turned up himself, very
32:12
Speaker 2: rarely turned up. Most of his people quit the party,
32:15
Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby and others. They're all Palma types, and so
32:19
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of a political force, he's a
32:23
Speaker 2: busted flush. But he does cleave off the vote. You're
32:27
Speaker 2: right to point out as soon as he starts advertising
32:29
Speaker 2: and spending his millions, part of the coalition vote walks
32:33
Speaker 2: off to the right and they don't return back in
32:36
Speaker 2: a disciplined way in terms of preferences.
32:38
Speaker 3: So how do you take him on?
32:40
Speaker 9: Then?
32:40
Speaker 3: What do you do?
32:41
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the Coalition needs to be as strategic
32:44
Speaker 15: and as focused on getting these voters back as Labor
32:49
Speaker 15: was with their votes they lost to minor parties, and
32:52
Speaker 15: this is the new paradigm win. It's really, really, really
32:54
Speaker 15: about those younger voters. If you're a younger voter and
32:58
Speaker 15: you've been voting for the MP, likely to if you
33:01
Speaker 15: if you if you're upset about the state of play,
33:04
Speaker 15: you're more likely to just go and vote for a
33:05
Speaker 15: minor party.
33:06
Speaker 9: You're never going to go over to the Labor party.
33:08
Speaker 15: And the same applies with if you're voting Labor and
33:11
Speaker 15: you go to you you're upset with Labor, You're going
33:13
Speaker 15: to go to a minor party.
33:14
Speaker 9: You're not going to go over the MP. We've seen
33:16
Speaker 9: that across the country.
33:18
Speaker 15: And so I think their strategy needs to be over
33:21
Speaker 15: the next couple of weeks really focus on that group.
33:24
Speaker 15: I think their announcement yesterday with regards to the caps
33:28
Speaker 15: on international students is a good step forward. I mean
33:32
Speaker 15: that that will seeing really well with this group, but
33:36
Speaker 15: they need to do more.
33:37
Speaker 2: Obviously I would ask you about something else, but just
33:41
Speaker 2: quickly the U A P voting seeing it pop up
33:43
Speaker 2: in particular states more than others.
33:46
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's definitely very big in Victoria, and Victoria's gonna
33:50
Speaker 15: be interesting, uh state to watch an election night.
33:55
Speaker 9: It's going to be bad for labor.
33:58
Speaker 15: But the question is will they votes the labor loses
34:01
Speaker 15: coalesce around the coalition, will those spray? We're just gonna
34:04
Speaker 15: have to wait and see. We're singing in parts of
34:07
Speaker 15: Western City as well.
34:10
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well just on Western City. Talk to me
34:12
Speaker 2: about the Muslim vote group. They joined forces with the
34:15
Speaker 2: Greens at a rally in Western City on Sunday. Two
34:19
Speaker 2: three hundred people are at the rally. How potent is
34:23
Speaker 2: this mob going to be in terms of driving votes?
34:26
Speaker 2: Not just noise but driving votes.
34:29
Speaker 15: Yeah, So we're looking at the federal seat of Watson,
34:33
Speaker 15: you know, and Black Slen for example, Jason Clan and
34:36
Speaker 15: Tony Burk's electorates in particular, will they have an impact
34:41
Speaker 15: Based on the data we're seeing, we're looking.
34:43
Speaker 9: At about five percent six percent.
34:46
Speaker 15: You know, we have seen we have done some polling
34:48
Speaker 15: where we've got we've dug pretty deep to see just
34:50
Speaker 15: how big this movement is.
34:52
Speaker 9: It's still in the single digits, so it's very noisy.
34:57
Speaker 15: But what we are learning about Australians are than those
35:00
Speaker 15: from the Muslim community is they're quite diverse and they're
35:03
Speaker 15: not homogeneous. And so you know, it's no shock to
35:07
Speaker 15: us that we're only seeing a small number gravitate around
35:11
Speaker 15: this particular movement and a lot of other Muslim Austrains
35:14
Speaker 15: is just going to go and vote for someone else.
35:16
Speaker 15: In fact, we've seen some Muslim strains you're going to
35:18
Speaker 15: vote for quite barma.
35:19
Speaker 9: So there you go.
35:22
Speaker 3: We do not want to import this.
35:26
Speaker 2: I have to say this sectarian cancer out of the
35:28
Speaker 2: UK and bring it to Australia. So that's that gives
35:31
Speaker 2: them a bit of hope there. Cause thanks for your time.
35:33
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Have a good campaign. Second
35:35
Speaker 2: week in good as faith. All right, labors at latest
35:38
Speaker 2: climate folly.
35:39
Speaker 3: We'll get to that after the break.
35:40
Speaker 2: Depeending won't tell you how much it's going to cost,
35:42
Speaker 2: but I will tell you how much it's going to cost.
35:44
Speaker 2: And it works for the rich, not the poor. Plus
35:48
Speaker 2: that student intake because just mentioned then we'll get into that.
35:50
Speaker 2: In the coalition's issues with immigration, have a crisp oh
36:00
Speaker 2: and do as I say, not as I do. This
36:02
Speaker 2: is all about its flight. Itinery out today two hundred
36:05
Speaker 2: and what sixty thousand dollars. We'll get into that at
36:08
Speaker 2: a moment on the weekend though, Labour and out and
36:10
Speaker 2: seeing two point three billion dollars to subsidize batteries in
36:14
Speaker 2: the home. They say it's to bring down the cost
36:16
Speaker 2: of installing domestic solar systems about four thousand dollars. But householders,
36:22
Speaker 2: that's you. We'll still have to find some nine thousand
36:25
Speaker 2: dollars in order to pay for these systems. They don't
36:29
Speaker 2: have as much return as they used to since feed
36:31
Speaker 2: in tarrace were cut because of solar glut during the
36:34
Speaker 2: middle of the day. That means that Labour's subsidy only
36:36
Speaker 2: really works for someone rich enough to have ten thousand
36:39
Speaker 2: dollars of their own money to spend.
36:41
Speaker 3: On a battery.
36:42
Speaker 2: What does it do to help someone at home who's
36:44
Speaker 2: a pension, pensioner or on a low income. That's the problem.
36:49
Speaker 2: The power bills are going up. Ten thousand dollars on
36:52
Speaker 2: a batteries is not plausible, is it, gentlemen?
36:54
Speaker 3: How to break it all down?
36:55
Speaker 2: Director of Energy Research at the Center of Independent Studies,
36:58
Speaker 2: Aid Morrison, Aid and Well. The PM says that this
37:02
Speaker 2: is a great announcement for power bills. It's great for
37:04
Speaker 2: the environment. But anyway I look at this, I think
37:07
Speaker 2: it's pretty elitist.
37:08
Speaker 3: It's a policy for the rich.
37:10
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't name any pension or anyone on
37:12
Speaker 2: a fixed income that can find ten thousand dollars just
37:16
Speaker 2: to put a battery system in, and obviously on top
37:19
Speaker 2: of that's for subsidy.
37:21
Speaker 16: That's exactly right. I can't see how it works as
37:23
Speaker 16: a genuine cost of living measure any which way you
37:26
Speaker 16: look at it, Because if you've got ten thousand dollars
37:29
Speaker 16: sitting around ready to invest and you might recoup that
37:32
Speaker 16: back over about ten years, you're not genuinely a battler
37:35
Speaker 16: who's struggling with the cost of living crisis. So that
37:37
Speaker 16: rules out anyone who's really struggling with for even participating
37:40
Speaker 16: in this measure. But the other thing, a huge problem
37:42
Speaker 16: is that this actually will likely push prices up for
37:45
Speaker 16: the rest of everyone else who's stuck paying the normal electricity,
37:48
Speaker 16: because they all be stuck lumped with the cost of
37:50
Speaker 16: paying for the poles and wires. Because you can't take
37:54
Speaker 16: just every second pole or every second length of wire
37:56
Speaker 16: out of the street.
37:57
Speaker 9: Someone has to.
37:58
Speaker 16: Pay for all of the things that keep everyone connected,
38:00
Speaker 16: and that means the power bills for everyone else will
38:02
Speaker 16: probably go up slightly because of this new measure.
38:08
Speaker 2: And talk to me about the battery life as well.
38:11
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a sense of you know, you
38:13
Speaker 2: pay your ten thousand dollars, you get your four thousand
38:15
Speaker 2: dollars taxpayer subsidy, which is just our money back in
38:17
Speaker 2: our pocket. So fifteen K on a battery, how long
38:21
Speaker 2: is it going to last?
38:22
Speaker 9: Me?
38:23
Speaker 16: Yeah, So the very best and latest greatest batteries will
38:26
Speaker 16: come with something like a ten year warranty, and at
38:30
Speaker 16: that time you'd be lucky to get a few more
38:31
Speaker 16: years out of them, perhaps, But between ten and fifteen
38:33
Speaker 16: years that battery is definitely done and dusted. Solar panels
38:36
Speaker 16: do last quite a bit longer actually, So the expensive
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Speaker 16: bit of the system if you've got a solar system
38:41
Speaker 16: as well, is the battery, and that's also the shortest
38:44
Speaker 16: living And there's really no documentary evidence anywhere that suggests
38:48
Speaker 16: this is net economically better for the whole system.
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Speaker 9: We could have more cost.
38:53
Speaker 16: Effective batteries at a grid scale than the home scale batteries.
38:56
Speaker 16: The CSI I reckons they cost roughly something close to
38:59
Speaker 16: twice as much than the grid scale equivalent amount of storage.
39:02
Speaker 16: So this does not help the overall system at all.
39:04
Speaker 16: Every ten you's got to replace them. You might have
39:06
Speaker 16: made your money back around about them, but not much more.
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Speaker 2: And of course there's been such a big change in
39:14
Speaker 2: the feeding tariffs as well, which makes I guess solar
39:18
Speaker 2: economical but nowhere near what it used to be.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, there's been a change in the feed in tariffs,
39:25
Speaker 16: but that's honestly, that's so we're steadily being mugged by
39:28
Speaker 16: reality because the feed in tariffs were always extra extra generous.
39:32
Speaker 16: There was no way that the power that actually your
39:34
Speaker 16: solar panels generate is really worth more than the gas
39:38
Speaker 16: or coal fuel they displace, because the rest of the
39:41
Speaker 16: system has to be sitting there waiting around on standby.
39:44
Speaker 16: That's the reality of these big power systems is that
39:46
Speaker 16: it's not just the cost of running them, it's the
39:49
Speaker 16: cost of having the systems installed ready there. And so
39:52
Speaker 16: we've been over compensating homeowners solar homeowners for the solar
39:56
Speaker 16: they produce very consistently for a long time. And that's
40:00
Speaker 16: that's why people feel like solo saves the money. We've
40:02
Speaker 16: created that by basically paying them too much for the
40:04
Speaker 16: solar power they feed into the grid. And that's why
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Speaker 16: solar panels have been very popular and taken up very quickly.
40:09
Speaker 16: But trying to do the same thing with batteries is
40:11
Speaker 16: really a fool's errand because they cost so so much more,
40:14
Speaker 16: they don't last as long, and so it'll be very
40:17
Speaker 16: hard to get a payback even with this subsidy for
40:19
Speaker 16: most people that are considering investing in batteries and so
40:22
Speaker 16: netnet it might help a little bit those who can
40:25
Speaker 16: afford to buy them, but it definitely does not help
40:27
Speaker 16: the grid and all the other people that can't afford
40:29
Speaker 16: to buy them.
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Speaker 2: Just talk to me about community batteries too. Because Chris
40:35
Speaker 2: Bowen promised some four hundred of them at the last election,
40:39
Speaker 2: I think it best count now we've got twenty one
40:41
Speaker 2: of them. Only he had two hundred billion dollars for
40:45
Speaker 2: this program, extrawdinary amount of money.
40:48
Speaker 3: Where is this up to?
40:51
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't think it's going very far. Community batteries
40:54
Speaker 16: might be the one exception. I think that I said
40:57
Speaker 16: that home batteries are more expensi than the grid scale
40:59
Speaker 16: community batteries. On the trials we've had so far could
41:02
Speaker 16: be worse again for some reason. I suppose they're just
41:04
Speaker 16: figuring out how to do it. But this is an
41:06
Speaker 16: example of a scattergun approach, where we hope and pray
41:09
Speaker 16: that every other different iteration of an idea might work
41:12
Speaker 16: better than the last one. Overall, batteries are just too
41:15
Speaker 16: expensive to provide the right kind of storage that's needed
41:18
Speaker 16: to really remove any reliance on the grid scale operations,
41:23
Speaker 16: So really that's just to try another system. Community batteries
41:26
Speaker 16: are very expensive. I haven't seen it really stack up anywhere,
41:30
Speaker 16: and unfortunately we're paving the way for all our utilities
41:33
Speaker 16: to be able to capture them through the regulated part
41:35
Speaker 16: of the asset base, so those costs might be again
41:38
Speaker 16: passed back to consumers without there really being any clear
41:42
Speaker 16: evidence that they're the most cost effective way of helping
41:44
Speaker 16: to reduce or to reduce reliance on the colon gas
41:47
Speaker 16: that ultimately underwrites their energy system. So I don't think
41:51
Speaker 16: there's going to be a lot of progress, but persistently,
41:54
Speaker 16: the current trend is to try everything and try something
41:56
Speaker 16: else if what you tried last time doesn't work, and
41:58
Speaker 16: community batteries, I think of that trend just see what
42:01
Speaker 16: sticks when you throw it at the wall.
42:05
Speaker 2: Heay, it is such a miss, Thank you Aiden. It
42:08
Speaker 2: just depressed me all over again. All right after the rate,
42:11
Speaker 2: we're going to get into immigration and the coalition, plus
42:13
Speaker 2: that secret Teal meeting. It's a preference meeting between a
42:16
Speaker 2: teal and one Nation?
42:17
Speaker 3: What's that about?
42:18
Speaker 2: And Chris Bowen gives Airbus albow a run for his money.
42:26
Speaker 3: Welcome back. All over the weekend.
42:28
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton pledged to bring down the foreign student numbers
42:31
Speaker 2: numbers at are universities to around eighty by around eighty thousand.
42:35
Speaker 2: He says this for free up housing, especially rentals, and
42:38
Speaker 2: it's all part of his rejection of Labour's Big Australia plans.
42:41
Speaker 2: Joining me in our one Nation Chief of Staff James
42:43
Speaker 2: Ashby back with us every Monday night now that the
42:46
Speaker 2: savings are finally over. Our good friend Radio four BC
42:49
Speaker 2: Drive host Gary Hargrave gents, welcome weill Gary puts your
42:53
Speaker 2: old hat on as and minister in the Howard government. Multiculturalism,
42:57
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to deal with Big Australia,
43:00
Speaker 2: if you want to deal with the overall immigration caps,
43:02
Speaker 2: you've got to deal with foreign students they are a
43:05
Speaker 2: massive revenue driver for the universities. They don't care about
43:08
Speaker 2: what's happening to the country. They just put the money
43:11
Speaker 2: in the door. But I think this is a good move.
43:14
Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 17: Look at it is, Peter, because you see, students have
43:17
Speaker 17: to live somewhere. I've been out in Kibulture in the
43:20
Speaker 17: middle of the Longman electorate all afternoon and people here
43:23
Speaker 17: are really worried about things like cost of living, the
43:26
Speaker 17: infrastructure that they needed to back where people want to live.
43:30
Speaker 17: And so we've got all these pressures that.
43:32
Speaker 6: Are in the economy right now. Yeah, the university sector.
43:34
Speaker 17: But they got getting whatt six hundred million dollars out
43:37
Speaker 17: of the USAID the other week we heard, so, I
43:40
Speaker 17: mean there's a lot of money flowing through this and
43:42
Speaker 17: the whole constructures in the university space ageared the wrong way.
43:46
Speaker 17: It's all about paying vice chancellor's million dollar salaries and
43:49
Speaker 17: the deputy vice chancellor's big salaries, and this whole thing
43:53
Speaker 17: is really frankly, it's an immigration ponzi scheme. It's not
43:57
Speaker 17: in Australia's interest to have two many people taking up accommodation.
44:02
Speaker 17: Australian should have now I'm all for students, don't get
44:04
Speaker 17: me wrong, because it actually builds an affiliation and a
44:07
Speaker 17: love of this country for.
44:08
Speaker 6: People from other countries. But we've got to have a rest,
44:11
Speaker 6: we've got to have a break, we've got.
44:12
Speaker 1: To stop this.
44:13
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's onto something.
44:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might add too.
44:19
Speaker 2: If you're an Australian English speaking UNI student and you're
44:22
Speaker 2: dealing with a whole lot of foreign nationals and you're
44:24
Speaker 2: in group projects where you've basically got to carry them
44:27
Speaker 2: all the way through their degrees because they're paying big money,
44:30
Speaker 2: they're sort of not allowed to fail, it also gets
44:32
Speaker 2: you down. It's not the university experience one of us
44:34
Speaker 2: had all those years ago. Hey, now this is your mob,
44:37
Speaker 2: James ash for you to be the hot seed here.
44:40
Speaker 2: A prominent teal candidate back by Climate two hundred has
44:43
Speaker 2: been busted having a meeting with your mob. We're told
44:46
Speaker 2: it's about brokening some sort of preference deal. It was
44:50
Speaker 2: in the papers today. This isn't the seat of Fenders.
44:53
Speaker 2: This is just outside Melbourne, down on the morning to Peninsula,
44:58
Speaker 2: strange bedfellows.
44:59
Speaker 3: What can you do, James.
45:00
Speaker 11: Ashby, It is very strange, better and every single one
45:04
Speaker 11: of our candidates understand that we are putting Labor, the
45:08
Speaker 11: Teals and the Greens dead last.
45:10
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter which seat it is, it doesn't.
45:12
Speaker 11: Matter whether it's Flinders or any other. They're all going last,
45:15
Speaker 11: and we've made that very clear to candidates. What we
45:17
Speaker 11: have said to candidates, however, is we really would like
45:21
Speaker 11: a clean contest at this election. I am sick to
45:24
Speaker 11: death every election we always hear of punch ons or
45:27
Speaker 11: people stealing core flutes, Monique. We don't want that, and
45:31
Speaker 11: we've said that to every one of our candidates. We
45:33
Speaker 11: would rather our candidates have a cordial relationship with people. Look,
45:37
Speaker 11: I probably wouldn't have said suggested that they go and
45:39
Speaker 11: have a meeting and a cup of coffee, but I
45:41
Speaker 11: am happy for them to have a cordial relationship on
45:44
Speaker 11: piling boots, because no one wants to see the arguments
45:49
Speaker 11: when it comes to all these candidates.
45:53
Speaker 1: You know, when you approach somebody.
45:55
Speaker 11: The last thing you want a Heckler's and people on
45:57
Speaker 11: the sideline having blues.
45:58
Speaker 1: So I'd rather people get long.
46:00
Speaker 11: It's been made very clear one nation of putting Labor,
46:04
Speaker 11: the Teals and Green's lass on every one of our
46:07
Speaker 11: how to vote cards.
46:09
Speaker 3: This is why we love you on the show.
46:11
Speaker 2: This is why you should be in the Parliament because
46:14
Speaker 2: you get a question and you actually bloody answer it,
46:17
Speaker 2: and not enough people do. James A should be thank
46:19
Speaker 2: you for being so frank. Hey, let's go to the
46:21
Speaker 2: University of Queensland. Up your way if I can. Gary
46:24
Speaker 2: a lecture has been called berating first year law students
46:28
Speaker 2: for protesting her inclusion of so called indigenous legal perspectives.
46:33
Speaker 2: She went so far as to warn students that she
46:36
Speaker 2: quote remembered their faces and that they should watch out
46:40
Speaker 2: if they wanted to do well in their Lord of Greenow. Meanwhile,
46:43
Speaker 2: down in Victoria, the Victorian Bar has also been accused
46:46
Speaker 2: of a bit of a pylon, allegedly after a female
46:50
Speaker 2: member of the bar criticized, as she should, the overuse
46:54
Speaker 2: of acknowledgments of country. I mean, we've got to call
46:57
Speaker 2: this stuff out.
46:58
Speaker 17: Gary, we have to, and every day Australians want us
47:02
Speaker 17: to Peter. The reality is this sort of belligerent activity,
47:07
Speaker 17: this approach, the way in which Australians who want to
47:09
Speaker 17: get on with each other are being dealt with this
47:12
Speaker 17: way by academic elites.
47:14
Speaker 6: It has got to stop. And every day Australian's cigarette.
47:17
Speaker 17: The trouble is why the silence from the Australian government,
47:20
Speaker 17: the alban Easy government, Why are they not actually understanding
47:23
Speaker 17: what every day Australians want, you rightly said, and people
47:26
Speaker 17: out here in Kabulche were telling me the same thing today.
47:29
Speaker 17: You know, the whole elitist approach when it comes to
47:31
Speaker 17: housing batteries. These are people who are not able to
47:34
Speaker 17: afford nine to ten thousand dollars at will, and by
47:37
Speaker 17: the way, it's probably a lot more than that.
47:39
Speaker 6: And the same thing with these academics.
47:40
Speaker 17: They're not representing what the great, great group of Australian
47:44
Speaker 17: people believe, and that is we all want to get
47:46
Speaker 17: on with each other, but we don't need to actually
47:49
Speaker 17: be dealt with in this sort of abusive and belligerent
47:51
Speaker 17: and threatening way. It has to stop, Peter, and I
47:54
Speaker 17: think it will if people actually tell.
47:56
Speaker 6: The government very loudly.
47:57
Speaker 2: On May three, radio Airbus elbow Now, I got Bowen
48:04
Speaker 2: Boeing or Boeing Bowen, and we've got the news out
48:07
Speaker 2: today that his global emissions are adding up. He's jetted
48:11
Speaker 2: to ten countries over fifty five days at a whopping cost.
48:15
Speaker 2: Of two one hundred and sixty thousand dollars to Australian taxpayers.
48:20
Speaker 3: James, I tell you what.
48:22
Speaker 2: We've got pensions in this country who can't afford their
48:25
Speaker 2: power bills that go to bed because they can't turn
48:27
Speaker 2: the heater on, or can't afford to turn the heater on.
48:30
Speaker 3: And this bloke spends up like that.
48:32
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, can we just reiterate that less than two months,
48:36
Speaker 11: this bloke spent two hundred and sixty thousand dollars on
48:39
Speaker 11: his own flights. And then, as you know, Peter, there's
48:42
Speaker 11: always chaperones that go with them, advisors and a string
48:45
Speaker 11: of other half weeks that Peter Bowen's hide, Chris Bowen's hide.
48:48
Speaker 11: So they've tramped around the country and the globe with him,
48:52
Speaker 11: and they're all environmental meetings.
48:55
Speaker 1: In other words, he's.
48:57
Speaker 11: Gone over there to help sign us up to greater
48:59
Speaker 11: costs to everyday household.
49:01
Speaker 1: So look, no wonder we're sitting at a trillion dollars?
49:04
Speaker 11: What happened to the days have been able to do
49:06
Speaker 11: things via Skype in the two or three years we
49:08
Speaker 11: had lockdowns during COVID. We should go back to those days.
49:11
Speaker 11: We've got an almighty big debt, and here he is
49:13
Speaker 11: racking up over a quarter of a million dollars in
49:16
Speaker 11: fifty five days with the flight's outrageous spending.
49:19
Speaker 2: Wow hey, twenty seconds, twenty seconds to the top of
49:23
Speaker 2: the shirt, to the top of the hour. Here, Gary Hargroves,
49:25
Speaker 2: what do you want to see from you mate, Peter
49:27
Speaker 2: Dutton tomorrow night?
49:29
Speaker 17: I'd like to hear, get out of net zero, get
49:31
Speaker 17: rid of Paris, actually recommit to coal and get cheap
49:34
Speaker 17: electricity back into the grid.
49:36
Speaker 1: That's what we need.
49:37
Speaker 6: We need clear, concise and real action. That's what we need.
49:41
Speaker 6: That's the action we want right now.
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Speaker 3: There you go.
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Speaker 2: That's the plan, Peter Dutton. There from your mate, Gary Hargraves. Gents,
49:47
Speaker 2: thank you, do not miss it.
49:49
Speaker 3: Tomorrow night.
49:49
Speaker 2: It will be ding ding ding in the ring. Are
49:51
Speaker 2: we there in Sydney? Can't wait to bring it to you.
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Speaker 2: Seven point thirty Sky News People's Forum up next.
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Speaker 3: No Andrew Bolt