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Full Show Podcast: 22 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Fridge on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 3: A very good morning. Six after five. Great to have
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  Speaker 3: your company coming up. Inflation number for Q3 is out
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  Speaker 3: this morning. We'll look at that. Trump's poll problems just
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  Speaker 3: got a whole lot worse. We're live to the US.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew's in with the T20. It's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: late night and chit-chat. Simon Bridges here on the mood
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  Speaker 3: of the boardroom.
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  Speaker 2: The agenda.
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  Speaker 3: Very good morning. Thursday, the 22nd of October. Steve Witkoff,
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  Speaker 3: this is Trump's special envoy. He's the real estate dealmaker,
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  Speaker 3: sends him to the Middle East. Well, he's now in St.
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  Speaker 3: Petersburg with Putin.
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  Speaker 4: Your Excellency, Mr. Witkoff, we are delighted to see you
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  Speaker 4: this time in St.
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  Speaker 3: Petersburg.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to thank you and President Trump for
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  Speaker 4: the attention paid to the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis.
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  Speaker 5: To have some good conversation between us about... resumption potentially
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  Speaker 5: of trilateral talks between Ukraine, Russia, and the United States.
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  Speaker 5: I'm hoping that you might consider that as a next
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  Speaker 5: step in the peace process.
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  Speaker 3: And they have said, yes, we will do trilateral talks.
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  Speaker 3: We will do those from November. Emphasis on try. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: Zelensky's also met with Witkoff.
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  Speaker 6: We are thankful that intelligence works.
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  Speaker 2: It's great.
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  Speaker 6: Then, as I said, we also discussed with Secretary, not
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  Speaker 6: only intelligence, we discussed Starlink and Patriot, and he will
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  Speaker 6: come back. And I think that we will have good result.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile in the UK, Trump said drill, baby, drill, and
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  Speaker 3: Andy Burnham is drilling, baby, drilling. Yes to new gas
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  Speaker 3: drilling at Jackdaw in the North Sea.
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  Speaker 7: We've made a pragmatic decision, Mr Speaker, that will allow
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  Speaker 7: us to do two things.
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  Speaker 3: Firstly.
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  Speaker 7: Build a bridge to a renewable future because the resources
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  Speaker 7: that come in now from this decision will allow us
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  Speaker 7: to invest in renewables, bring forward clean energy, and in
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  Speaker 7: this Parliament, substantially de-link gas and electricity prices so that
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  Speaker 7: we can bring bills down.
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  Speaker 3: Slowly, one by one, the world wakes up and realises
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  Speaker 3: you can't just go from one to the other. Right, Labour... MPs,
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  Speaker 3: his fellow MPs, not happy.
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  Speaker 8: We are going to need gas. And if it's a
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  Speaker 8: choice between gas at home, that candidly I can put
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  Speaker 8: conditions on to make sure it is as green as possible,
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  Speaker 8: or us importing oil from abroad, I think the better
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  Speaker 8: climate choice is to have homegrown energy that we can control.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, duh. Now, Trump, of course, very happy.
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  Speaker 9: He says the UK has started drilling in the North Sea,
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  Speaker 9: one of the greatest and most prosperous areas of oil
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  Speaker 9: in the world.
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  Speaker 10: What he goes on to say is they should go
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  Speaker 10: full blast.
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  Speaker 4: This will make the UK very wealthy again.
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  Speaker 3: And finally, Australian MP Helen Haynes has lost both of
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  Speaker 3: her legs. Now this is after she was hit by
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  Speaker 3: that guy in the car.
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  Speaker 11: As a result of that, Helen's left leg was amputated
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  Speaker 11: on Monday. We had been hoping that her right leg
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  Speaker 11: would be saved. But as of this afternoon or this morning,
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  Speaker 11: the surgeons had to also remove her right leg. But
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  Speaker 11: the good news in all this is Helen is alive
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  Speaker 11: and she's stable.
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  Speaker 3: Thank goodness she is alive. Thank goodness she is stable.
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  Speaker 3: It's an awful thing to have happened. Still nothing concrete
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  Speaker 3: on the motive, by the way. He was online into
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  Speaker 3: climate and Middle East issues, but nothing saying one plus
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  Speaker 3: one equals two at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Hear it first.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on early edition with Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 3: 9292 is the number to text. Always love to hear
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  Speaker 3: from you. We will talk about the power brokers debate
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  Speaker 3: at the Herald last night in a couple of minutes' time.
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  Speaker 3: We will also talk to Simon Bridges very shortly on
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  Speaker 3: the mood.
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  Speaker 5: Of the boardroom.
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  Speaker 3: SpaceX shares are heading, well, skyward this morning, this after
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  Speaker 3: they had revenue come in ahead of expectations. So up 161%,
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  Speaker 3: this is Q3 numbers, to $ 14. 6 billion. The numbers make
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  Speaker 3: your eyes water. Net profit, $ 4. 4 billion. That's a turnaround
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  Speaker 3: from a loss. And most of the money, most of
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  Speaker 3: the revenue is now coming from AI intelligence rather than
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  Speaker 3: from Starlink. And Starlink is the thing that you put up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you live on the farm or you
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  Speaker 3: live in the wamps, you put Starlink up and you
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  Speaker 3: can get the internet. That's no longer where they're getting
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  Speaker 3: most of their revenue. It's actually from AI. Interestingly enough,
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  Speaker 3: alongside this, you've had, because it's Elon Musk's company, you've
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  Speaker 3: had Tesla shares up 4% because he's talking about combining
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  Speaker 3: the two companies together they are exploring a possible mega
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  Speaker 3: merger and when i say mega i do mean mega
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  Speaker 3: it would be the biggest deal in the history of
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  Speaker 3: the world in business so they've got boards from tesla
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  Speaker 3: and spacex now forming what they're calling a special committee
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  Speaker 3: to talk about a deal It is the second biggest
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  Speaker 3: EV manufacturer in the world, and it is a massive
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  Speaker 3: space satellite business that it would be combined with, 11
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  Speaker 3: after 5. You're on Newstalk ZB, and Simon Bridges is
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  Speaker 3: live with us next.
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  Speaker 2: Before the news breaks, hear it first.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on early edition with Spark for Business, technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB. Great to have your company. Time is 13
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  Speaker 3: minutes after five. Last night was the power brokers debate.
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  Speaker 3: This is the minor party leaders with the Herald minus
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  Speaker 3: Te Pāti Māori because Debbie Ngāna-Wapaka's mother has passed away,
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  Speaker 3: which is very sad. And the tangi is underway. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we had the debate last night and I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was a good one from there. I think for all involved,
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  Speaker 3: like those four leaders all came across in their own
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  Speaker 3: way quite well. They were lively. They had a proper debate.
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  Speaker 3: They tackled some big stuff. There were a few zingers,
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  Speaker 3: this one from Kule on Winston.
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  Speaker 12: We've heard a lot about experience, but New Zealand First
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  Speaker 12: has been the common denominator in most governments over the
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  Speaker 12: last 40 years, and look where we are.
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  Speaker 3: David Seymour.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: Marama and Winston also had a good bit of back
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  Speaker 3: and forth, bit of banter. Marama, what are you thinking about?
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  Speaker 12: I was just having a good chuckle and celebrating Winston
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  Speaker 12: Peters joining the Green Party and our investments into public transport.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the Minister of Wales. I'm the Minister of Wales.
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  Speaker 2: She's saying that? How do you like that? I love
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  Speaker 2: the imitation.
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  Speaker 12: He gets very crappy when he knows he's being pulled over.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, 14 after five. Sharp rebound in business
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  Speaker 3: confidence in the Herald's mood at the boardroom this morning.
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  Speaker 3: More than half are more optimistic now than they were
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  Speaker 3: a year ago, including 10% much more, 22% less so.
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  Speaker 3: The election, fuel, global conflict, all big areas of worry
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  Speaker 3: for our CEO, Simon Bridges, Auckland Business Chamber CEO. Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, morning, Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: How are those business leaders feeling?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think it's intriguing if you read the full
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  Speaker 13: 40-something pages, which I've done for myself. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 13: definitely what you say, which is that optimism there in
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  Speaker 13: the local business environment, at least. It's kind of the sense,
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  Speaker 13: and I pick it up as well in my travels,
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  Speaker 13: that whatever the politicians and the world does, we're going
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  Speaker 13: to get on with it. I would say, though, there's also,
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  Speaker 13: you know, subtly, and it's variable, but across this slither
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  Speaker 13: of business, which is the top end of town, there's
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  Speaker 13: also dissatisfaction. You know, they're wanting to see, and this
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  Speaker 13: is across the board, across the political class, you know,
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  Speaker 13: when they're looking at them, they want to see more
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  Speaker 13: investment in infrastructure. They want to see reform.
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  Speaker 2: They want to see leadership.
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  Speaker 13: They want to see more talk about productivity and they're
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  Speaker 13: not necessarily seeing that. So I would sort of, if
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  Speaker 13: you think about it politically, I would kind of say,
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  Speaker 13: because you'd expect, and they are in their numbers, the
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  Speaker 13: Nats as a centre-right incumbent government to be higher up.
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  Speaker 13: I would sort of call it a tactical draw between
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  Speaker 13: the Nats and Labour when you look at this closely.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. What about the idea of the smaller parties having
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  Speaker 3: more say and, you know, smaller parties of very different
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  Speaker 3: persuasions in the case of the coalition having more say
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  Speaker 3: in the next government?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, my read of Murder the Boardroom is
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  Speaker 13: that they don't like that, right? And to be clear,
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  Speaker 13: I mean, if you look at it.
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  Speaker 13: The minor parties, with the exception perhaps of ACT, so
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  Speaker 13: if you look at the, you know, the ministers that
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  Speaker 13: score well, and you really, you don't have NZ First
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  Speaker 13: there in the top 10. You do have David Seymour
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  Speaker 13: and Brook van Velden though, right? Actually higher than the
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  Speaker 13: Prime Minister, who doesn't even make the top 10, although
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  Speaker 13: he gets some good remarks in the, yeah, he gets
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  Speaker 13: some good remarks there, right? And so, you know, I
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  Speaker 13: think there's definitely an unease about the tail wagging the dog.
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  Speaker 13: The reality is that's our MMP system. And I would say,
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  Speaker 13: you know, Ryan, if you think about it this way,
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  Speaker 13: this is a very small slither of business. It's the
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  Speaker 13: top end of town, let alone being the electorate. So,
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  Speaker 13: you know, they've got a very clear view about what
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  Speaker 13: they like. They tend to like stability, certainty and incumbent
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  Speaker 13: government over kind of change that might be messy and uncertain.
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  Speaker 3: In about 10 minutes, we're going to talk about the
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  Speaker 3: chances of opportunity getting across the 5% threshold. What do
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  Speaker 3: you reckon?
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  Speaker 13: Oh, look, I think, you know, when I sort of,
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  Speaker 13: with my amateur hat on, look at the election, there's
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  Speaker 13: two things there that on election night are going to mean,
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  Speaker 13: you know, kind of anything could happen. And they are opportunities.
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  Speaker 13: Do they get there or not? I mean, I think
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  Speaker 13: my sense is, if you look at the polls, they're
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  Speaker 13: consistently above five. You know, you need to be wrong
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  Speaker 13: to say that means more likely than not. That said,
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  Speaker 13: nothing would surprise me. And then that overhang issue, you know,
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  Speaker 13: I think that's very critical to this. Does National end
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  Speaker 13: up with lots of electorate MPs and not so many,
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  Speaker 13: if any, list MPs? Same with Te Pāti Māori. I mean,
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  Speaker 13: you know, three or four or five Te Pāti Māori
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  Speaker 13: MPs without the list votes, you know, that could be
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  Speaker 13: an election.
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  Speaker 3: Cliffhanger. To get 5% on the day, you sort of
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  Speaker 3: need to be polling seven consistently at least, don't you,
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  Speaker 3: in the lead up to, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 13: Well, that's what clever people say. So, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 13: there's all that too. I kind of come back to it,
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  Speaker 13: you know, can you remember an election where it was
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  Speaker 13: kind of the sunset and where kind of nothing would
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  Speaker 13: surprise you? Nothing would surprise me. A hundred parliament would
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  Speaker 13: not surprise me. A centre-right government would not surprise me.
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  Speaker 13: A left of centre government with three, four parties would
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  Speaker 13: not surprise me.
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  Speaker 3: It's anyone's guess. Simon Bridges, Auckland Business Chamber CEO, 18
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  Speaker 3: after 5, T20, Christchurch, why so late? That's next. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 1: News and views you trust to start your day. It's
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  Speaker 1: early edition with Ryan Bridge and Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB. 529292 is the number to text. Mike says, Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: business confidence is going to plummet when oil hits $ 150
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  Speaker 3: a barrel. Mike, I have news for you out of
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  Speaker 3: the straight. We'll bring that to you shortly. First, the
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  Speaker 3: Blackcaps open their five-match T20 series against India. This is Christchurch.
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  Speaker 3: This is tonight's first game at Hagley Oval. Game time,
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  Speaker 3: bit of an issue. If you're here, of course, it's
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  Speaker 3: all designed for India, but starting 8pm, you won't leave
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  Speaker 3: till 11.30 at night. Andrew Alderson, Newstalk ZB Sports, is
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  Speaker 3: with us this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Greetings, Ryan. Yes, you'll be a late one for us.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I think that's a tricky proposition, isn't it? You've
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  Speaker 9: got to work in with India and their broadcast schedules.
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  Speaker 9: But I think if you're taking a family along to
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  Speaker 9: the ground on a Thursday night, school night, and you're
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  Speaker 9: getting back at 11.30, I mean, it's hardly ideal. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: it'll be really chilly, I imagine, still, potentially in October.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, hardened souls down in Christchurch. But, yeah, not ideal.
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  Speaker 3: But that deal's worth a pretty penny, isn't it? Sony
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  Speaker 3: Pictures Network's India. This deal that they've signed means that
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  Speaker 3: they can forecast a $ 10 million plus surplus for the
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  Speaker 3: next financial year at Cricket New Zealand.
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  Speaker 9: That's why you've got to be prepared to take a
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  Speaker 9: thermos and a warm woolen blanket.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it? How many people would.
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  Speaker 9: This is just the golden egg, isn't it? When India
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  Speaker 9: arrive for a tour, with the broadcast rights as they are,
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  Speaker 9: and you can sell it back to India. There's just merchandising.
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  Speaker 9: There's everything involved with that. I mean, the turnstiles were
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  Speaker 9: as well. India's such a presence around the world, and
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  Speaker 9: people will be heading along. So, yeah, I mean, a
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  Speaker 9: number of those games already sold out, the white ball games,
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  Speaker 9: and then moving on to the two test matches in
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  Speaker 9: Christchurch and Wellington. So, yeah, it's just such an amazing
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  Speaker 9: opportunity for New Zealand cricket to play.
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  Speaker 3: I guess, reap the rewards. Totally. Presumably there will be
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  Speaker 3: more people watching this in India than there are people
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  Speaker 3: in New Zealand. That's the balance, isn't it? Exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's not, I suppose, ideal even there. It's
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  Speaker 9: about mid-afternoon. It's 12.30 their time at start. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: that's where the New Zealand time zone is not ideal,
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  Speaker 9: I suppose, for cricket in some of these other parts
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  Speaker 9: of the world, but rewarding nonetheless.
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  Speaker 3: What's going to actually happen? on the pitch, on the field.
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  Speaker 9: Well, just Mitchell Santner, New Zealand skipper, not expecting too
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  Speaker 9: much in terms of spin conditions there, but India's well
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  Speaker 9: balanced in terms of pace bowling that now. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: this is a reflection too, I think, of how the
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  Speaker 9: game's developed with T20. I mean, that's probably one of
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  Speaker 9: the greatest changes in the game this century is the
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  Speaker 9: fact that you've got the IPL from 2008 and these
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  Speaker 9: guys already know each other quite well and it's hard
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  Speaker 9: to get that, I guess, point of advantage as a result,
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  Speaker 9: but I'm expecting a bit of pace, I think, in
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  Speaker 9: the wickets. And I think there'll be, yeah, there's plenty
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  Speaker 9: of action and highlight. It'll be almost a permanent highlight reel,
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  Speaker 9: I think, now with the T20 the way it is.
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  Speaker 3: And so much to offer.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, Suyavachi, the young fella, teenager still in the
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  Speaker 9: Indian side, probably one to watch out for.
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  Speaker 3: Every time I interview a cricketer, they're always knackered because
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  Speaker 3: they just work them to the bone. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 3: the most overworked athletes in the world, aren't they? They
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  Speaker 3: just go from competition to competition to competition.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's the way it's become. And you've got
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  Speaker 9: this cluttered calendar. It's probably why it's a wider issue,
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  Speaker 9: but you need this global window or global calendar, a
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  Speaker 9: bit like football have with internationals and then your franchise leagues.
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  Speaker 9: But no genuine progress has been made on that in
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  Speaker 9: recent times. But that's why you've got this banking up,
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  Speaker 9: going from league to league to league. and then try
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  Speaker 9: to fit the actual internationals around that, which seems a
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  Speaker 9: perennial problem.
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  Speaker 3: It does. If you're a T20 player, are you more
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  Speaker 3: prone to injury? Do you have a shorter lifespan? Because
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  Speaker 3: you're hitting harder and faster and more often, aren't you?
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  Speaker 3: I would assume there'd be a higher injury rate.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, although players are fairly fit and everything now. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: I think that they've got to balance it out. And
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  Speaker 9: cricket's not the most natural of physical disciplines, I think.
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  Speaker 9: It would be common to admit, with bowling, batting, et cetera,
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  Speaker 9: and your alignment.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it just comes down to that general fitness, really,
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  Speaker 9: and being able to try and maintain that.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff. We'll look forward to your coverage. Andrew Alderson,
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  Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB Sport, 25 after 5. We'll talk politics next.
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  Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB, 27 after 5. We're nearly there, everybody. Voting
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  Speaker 3: is actually already happening for Kiwis who are living overseas. Monday,
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  Speaker 3: we start in-country. Two weeks later, she's all over. Counting begins.
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  Speaker 3: Result looks as tight as a fish's bum at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Here are my predictions. Opportunity won't get 5% and the
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  Speaker 3: coalition will be returned to power. Now before you get
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  Speaker 3: your knickers in a knot, why are you saying that?
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  Speaker 3: I want to be clear, this is not based on
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  Speaker 3: some scientific poll by poll analysis or electorate probability calculator.
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  Speaker 3: This is just a gut feeling of how voters will
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  Speaker 3: behave once they are actually in the voting booth. The
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  Speaker 3: fact that not everyone who's polled actually turns out to
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  Speaker 3: vote and not everyone who votes is polled. If opportunity
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  Speaker 3: does get over the line, of course, Luxon is going
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  Speaker 3: to talk to them. But he's got a strategy and
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  Speaker 3: he's sticking to it. And that's what you do. Campaigning
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  Speaker 3: politicians and CEOs do that. That's just what they do.
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  Speaker 3: Stick to the plan. No point having a strategy that
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  Speaker 3: you abandon at the 11th hour. For me, the key
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  Speaker 3: part of last night's leaders' debate, this was the minor
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: party leaders, the power brokers' debate, was QLW's vibe today.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: on the coalition partners she has voted for every single
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: political party basically that has been in parliament over the
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: last decade or so except for new zealand first and
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: except for act if opportunity gets in they'd support with
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: at most confidence and supply only i reckon act in
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: new zealand first more extreme wish lists might need to
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: be put on ice in return for their support plus
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: a few sweeteners on innovation, digital economy, something like that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Throw those in for good measure. Either way, there is
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: still a long road ahead before we get elections close,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: but getting a government is a very different question. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: reckon we will have started buying our Christmas trees before
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: the Governor-General is swearing in a new government. Oil, I
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: mentioned that. This is for Mike who texted in earlier
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: saying we're going to hit $ 150 a barrel. Did you
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: know Middle East oil flows now averaging 24 million barrels
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: a day? This is for the week through to October 18.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: 24 million barrels a day. That is now higher than
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: pre-war levels. So there'll be a bit of pent-up demand
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and pent-up supply, I would have thought. That'll be pushing
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: that up. But there you go. She's back on. Through
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: the strait. And around the straight, the oil is finding
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: its way. You're on Newstalk CB. We're live to the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: States with Trump's poll numbers next.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not ready.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: 24 away from 6 here on Newstalk ZB. Great to
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: have your company this Thursday morning. We'll talk CPR with
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Mike Jones from the BNZ before top of the hour.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: We'll also head to the United States. Donald Trump in
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a bit of trouble for the midterms. The polls just
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: keep getting worse. Just 36% of likely voters approve of
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the President's performance. This is in one of the polls.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: There's been two out overnight, which we'll update you on. 59% disapprove.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: That's the times. Not a great look, is it? Not
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a great number to be staring down the face of
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: as you're heading into an election. Two weeks' time for them, too.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Very quickly, loads of lovely texts coming in saying, Ryan,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: why are you leaving? We love you in our household.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: That is very kind. Yes, I have, because I've sort
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: of got two gigs going on here at NZME, and
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: one of them is on three and with The Herald,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: which is a TV show, which is on from 7am,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and then I come in here earlier and do this
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: radio show, and I have basically decided that you can't
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: do everything and be everyone to everyone, so I will
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: focus on one thing from next year. So don't worry,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I'm still here with you through until the end of
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: the year. And I very much am enjoying that and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: will very much continue to enjoy doing that. But you
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: have good news in that Lisette Raymer, who is a
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: brilliant journalist, a good friend, is going to be taking
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: my place and will do a stellar job 23 minutes
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: away from six. Now, reporters, Callum is in Dunedin. Callum,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: good morning.
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: Good morning, Callum.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: There you are. You got me there? Got you there.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Got you there. Fantastic. Demand for cancer care is on
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the rise in southern New Zealand.
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, look, the Cancer Society's southern 2026 annual report is
• 19:53
  Speaker 14: out with all the numbers. It shows more than 4,000
• 19:55
  Speaker 14: people across the region here received personal care. cancer care support,
• 19:59
  Speaker 14: so that's nearly 2,000 new referrals. The society's also provided
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: more than 14,000 nights of free accommodation. Volunteers drove patients
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: to treatment more than 6,000 times, covering nearly 263,000 Ks.
• 20:13
  Speaker 14: Chief Executive Christine Prince says behind every figure is a
• 20:15
  Speaker 14: person navigating treatment. She says as more people live with
• 20:19
  Speaker 14: cancer long term, services here need to grow to meet demand.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: How's your weather?
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: Starts off good, but showers late afternoon. Strong sou'wester develops 23.
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: Dunedin's high today.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Callum. Claire, good morning.
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: Good morning.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Mixed emotions in Lyttelton today.
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the start of our cruise ship season here.
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: The Celebrity Edge is the first of 58 ships that
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: will visit Lyttelton from today through till April. There'll be
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: 113,000 guests on all of those ships. Akaroa Harbour, of course,
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: just around a bit, will host another eight ships in
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: the season. The interesting thing, though, is that Banks Peninsula
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: Councillor Tyrone Field says views on the cruise ships do vary.
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: Of course, lots just jump on the buses and come
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: right into the city. He's really adamant that the visits
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: need to benefit Lyttelton as a port town. He says
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: some of the big ships, for example, they carry up
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: to 4,000 passengers. They don't always spend there, right where
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: they get off the ship. And he thinks more needs
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: to be done to encourage that to happen. He says
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: perhaps some better communication with cruise operators is the answer
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: in order to encourage more of the visitors to actually
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: explore Lyttelton itself.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: How's your weather?
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: Mainly fine, a bit of evening cloud expected. Westerly's turning easterly,
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: then we have a southerly change later. Before that though,
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: hot 26.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Nice one, beautiful little pizza store in Lyttelton that I
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: visited just a couple of months ago. Sit there, watch
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the water, brilliant stuff. Max Wellington, good morning. Good morning, yeah,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: my parents used to live in Lyttelton, lovely. Why does
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: that not surprise me? Max, you've got a social housing update.
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: Yeah, the deadline for the sale of the state housing
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: land in Strathmore on Nuku Street lapsed yesterday. So we'll
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: see who's bought it. It's met with an awful lot
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: of opposition. Labour and the Greens don't like it. These buildings, though,
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: are very run down, dilapidated, mouldy, peeling, damp. They've been
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: vacant for years. There was a sit-in Monday night, people
• 22:08
  Speaker 15: in tents. There was a community barbecue this week. There
• 22:10
  Speaker 15: have been protests at Kanger Order's offices. It's become a
• 22:15
  Speaker 15: bit of a political rallying point. A big part of it,
• 22:18
  Speaker 15: as well as the sale, is happening so close to
• 22:20
  Speaker 15: the election. The site was first offered to Iwi and
• 22:24
  Speaker 15: then put to market when it didn't sell. 36 homes
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: total are going. Bailey's is doing the sale. Dozens of
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: new state homes, though, plan to be built in Wellington
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: by June.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: OK, so offered to the iwi and the iwi didn't buy,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: so now on the market. Interesting. Exactly. How's your weather, Max?
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Mostly fine with northerlies, 18. Brilliant. You have a fantastic day. Neva,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: good morning.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Good morning.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Lovely to see you. Now, tell us about this Auckland
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: gas for a sentence in court.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:50
  Speaker 16: Now, Kevin Harris, he's been fined $ 14, 000. This is after
• 22:55
  Speaker 16: his work posed an extreme risk to public safety.
• 22:58
  Speaker 17: So.
• 22:59
  Speaker 16: Last year, Harris, he installed a damaged gas griddle and pipework.
• 23:03
  Speaker 16: This was in a commercial food trailer. And then the Plumbers, Gasfitters,
• 23:07
  Speaker 16: Drainlayers board found that there was a serious risk of
• 23:10
  Speaker 16: leaking gas, potentially causing an explosion. Also, separately, Harris signed
• 23:15
  Speaker 16: off on a gas safety certificate, despite not being authorised
• 23:19
  Speaker 16: to issue one. So he was sentenced in the Auckland
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: District Court, you're right, and he was fined an extra
• 23:24
  Speaker 16: $ 1, 000 for previous similar offending.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: How's our weather?
• 23:28
  Speaker 18: Cloudy, a high of 18 today.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: She's getting warm though, eh?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: She is.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Summer's coming.
• 23:32
  Speaker 18: Summer's coming here.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I can feel it in my waters. Great to see you, Neva.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 19 minutes away from 6 o'clock.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: We are going to talk before top of the hour
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: about the inflation number that we'll get out today. It
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: is not that important in the sense that it is
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: backwardless looking. It's Q3 data and Q4 is meant to
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: spike again. So at the moment, we're at 4.1. We'll
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: probably go back to 3.8, 3.9, something like that. That's good.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: But then are expected to spike again to 4.5 by Christmas.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, oil. 18 to 6, Newstalk ZB.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: 16 to 6.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Newstalk ZB. We'll get to BNZ on the CPI in
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: just a few seconds. First, in 2006, George W. Bush
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: got absolutely thumped in the midterms. This was because of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: a war. This was because of high gas prices. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: guess what's happening in America right now? We've got more
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: polls overnight. Nick Harper, our US correspondent. Polls aren't looking good,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: both the trend and the numbers. That's right, Ryan.
• 24:32
  Speaker 18: It's looking rather bad. The Republicans are worried that they
• 24:35
  Speaker 18: could be seeing a ghost of 2006. George W. Bush, yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 18: he used that word thumping. The Republicans in 2006 got
• 24:43
  Speaker 18: a thumping. They lost dozens of seats in Congress, losing
• 24:46
  Speaker 18: control of the House and Senate. And the fear is,
• 24:48
  Speaker 18: from the Republican side of things, that we will see
• 24:50
  Speaker 18: exactly the same thing happen again because of a different
• 24:53
  Speaker 18: unpopular war. Last time it was Iraq, now it's Iran.
• 24:56
  Speaker 18: Gas prices high 20 years ago, high again today. Polling
• 25:00
  Speaker 18: for Donald Trump has also dropped lower. Now at its
• 25:02
  Speaker 18: lowest level, 36% approve, two-thirds do not approve. And when
• 25:08
  Speaker 18: it comes to the country, they say it's heading in
• 25:10
  Speaker 18: the wrong direction. Nearly 70% of Americans say that Donald
• 25:13
  Speaker 18: Trump has not handled the cost of living crisis. Well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 18: something that he promised to get under control when he
• 25:19
  Speaker 18: re-entered the White House.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, we've got Steve Witkoff, Trump's man over in St. Petersburg,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: meeting with Putin and his people. And we've got a
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: teacher released. Was this a trade or did they just
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: release an American?
• 25:31
  Speaker 18: Just a goodwill gesture released by the Russians. Stephen Hubbard,
• 25:35
  Speaker 18: his name is a 74-year-old retired teacher. He was captured
• 25:38
  Speaker 18: in Ukraine in 2022, so several years back, sentenced to
• 25:43
  Speaker 18: seven years. But being released now, But it's really what
• 25:47
  Speaker 18: Steve Witkoff said to President Putin that's creating backlash here
• 25:50
  Speaker 18: in the US. He said to President Putin, you are
• 25:53
  Speaker 18: a humanitarian, and I salute that. Well, Republicans from Donald
• 25:57
  Speaker 18: Trump's own party are up in arms, one of them.
• 25:59
  Speaker 18: Senator Tom Tillis has posted on social media that that
• 26:02
  Speaker 18: statement was embarrassing and outrageous. He also posted WTF, Steve.
• 26:08
  Speaker 18: And then John Cornyn, a Republican, said Putin is a
• 26:11
  Speaker 18: stone-cold killer. all of that creating problems at a time
• 26:15
  Speaker 18: when Donald Trump is trying to push ahead with trilateral
• 26:17
  Speaker 18: talks between the Russians, the Ukrainians and the US to
• 26:20
  Speaker 18: try and get a peace deal done. He wants it done.
• 26:23
  Speaker 18: It hasn't been possible yet. And he's been in office
• 26:25
  Speaker 18: for about 20 months.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Good stuff, Nick Harper. Our US correspondent time is 13
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: away from six. By the way, you don't want to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: be France. I mean, it's such a beautiful place to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: visit food. I mean, everybody loves France, but you don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: actually want to be French. Not when you look at
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: the borrowing costs, not when you look at the size
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: of the debt, not when you look at the riots.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Just overnight, which you've seen the pictures of, by the way,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: but just overnight, we've had the yield on the 10-year
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: bond hit 5% for the first time in 25 years.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Not great, because that's how much they have to pay.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And they've got a lot of debt, these guys. We've
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: spoken about this many times before, but it's 115% of GDP.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: It is the third worst in the EU. And they
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: have some shockers. And every time, because it's a ticking
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: time bomb, really. And every time, because there's a debt
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: limit in the EU, you're not meant to go over
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a certain amount. Every time they come close to it
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: and go past it, they just keep pushing further. No
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: such thing as a limit for the French. It is
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: 12 to 6.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And it is.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: CPI Day here in New Zealand. Inflation, this is the
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: year to September. Most expecting we'll get between 3.7% and 4%,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: currently at 4.1%. Prediction for the final quarter, anywhere up
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to 4.5%. Mike Jones, BNZ Chief Economist. Morning, Mike. How
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: are you?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Good morning, Ryan.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: So you're picking sort of the higher end, 3.9%. Why
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: is that? Yeah, 3.9.
• 27:49
  Speaker 17: It's probably at the higher end of the annual rates,
• 27:52
  Speaker 17: but we're the same, I think, as most others and
• 27:54
  Speaker 17: certainly the Reserve Bank on the quarterlies. So there's probably
• 27:57
  Speaker 17: a bit of rounding going on there. But I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 17: the bigger picture is the reprieve that we might get today,
• 28:04
  Speaker 17: if you call it that, is going to be pretty
• 28:06
  Speaker 17: brief and perhaps pretty hollow because we know that in
• 28:09
  Speaker 17: the current quarter and the fourth quarter, we're going to
• 28:11
  Speaker 17: see inflation spike back up again to a pretty nasty rate.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: We think. How nasty will it get?
• 28:18
  Speaker 17: Well, we've run the numbers again this week, and we're
• 28:24
  Speaker 17: getting 4.7 for the current quarter. So, of course, most
• 28:28
  Speaker 17: of that is the spike back up we're seeing in
• 28:31
  Speaker 17: fuel prices. And so that's an element, of course, that
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: Reserve Bank should, in theory, be looking through. But, of course,
• 28:38
  Speaker 17: doing that's getting harder and harder, given the volatility that
• 28:41
  Speaker 17: we're seeing, and also given that That underlying or core
• 28:45
  Speaker 17: inflation also seems to be a bit strong. I think
• 28:48
  Speaker 17: we'll see today some of those core inflation measures up
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: again and up sitting around the top end of Reserve
• 28:55
  Speaker 17: Bank's 1% to 3% band.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: It's interesting. I was reading about the Aussies yesterday. They
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: reckon that they are... probably heading for another hike too.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: They've already had four this year, but probably having to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: do another one too because inflation is higher than they
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: thought it would be. I think that's probably the case
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: for most central banks. It's higher now than they thought
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: it would be a few months ago, right? Yeah, you're right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 17: I mean, the Reserve Act of Australia's language seems to
• 29:20
  Speaker 17: have shifted a bit just in the last couple of weeks,
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: basically saying some of these risks about inflation that we're
• 29:26
  Speaker 17: worried about are crystallising and it's certainly got the market going.
• 29:30
  Speaker 17: suggesting that rates could go higher still, and they're already
• 29:33
  Speaker 17: at 4.6 over the year and potentially heading higher. So
• 29:38
  Speaker 17: it's a bit of a contrast to where we are
• 29:39
  Speaker 17: at 2.75 for the official cash rate, but of course
• 29:42
  Speaker 17: highlights the upside risks to that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: When does it all start flowing through? Are we in
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the secondary round, or is it all still the primaries
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that we're worried about?
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: I think it's still the case. that you're not really
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: sort of juggling those direct first-round impacts. But when we
• 30:01
  Speaker 17: look at the most recent inflation numbers, and we got
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: a smattering last week, there is some evidence or more
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: evidence there that you're starting to get that pass-through happening
• 30:12
  Speaker 17: from fuel costs into others, airfares, freight, construction, even things
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: like that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: So that's the stuff.
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: That the RBA has said they're worried about and that
• 30:22
  Speaker 17: the Reserve Bank here has got a pretty close eye
• 30:24
  Speaker 17: on as well. So when we put it all together,
• 30:28
  Speaker 17: we think the Reserve Bank here in New Zealand is
• 30:30
  Speaker 17: going to raise the official cash rate next week and
• 30:35
  Speaker 17: again most likely in December.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Two more before Christmas and one, as you say, right
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: smack bang before an election. Thank you very much for that.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: That is Mike Jones, BNZ Chief Economist with us this morning.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It's nine to six.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in-depth analysis.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Early edition with Ryan Bridge and Spark for Business. Technology
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Great to have your company. Netflix has reported 12% year-on-year
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: increase in their quarterly sales. This is to $ 12. 9 billion
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: American dollars. But the investors are a bit shaky, a
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: bit worried about how long we're actually sitting there and
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: watching ZB. The programs on their platform, they have lots
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: of competition. They've got other streamers coming into the game.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: They've got gamers. They've got sports, a whole bunch of
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: different stuff. And they've stopped publishing, regularly publishing the viewer numbers.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: How many hours are they watching? The last one's from July,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: 97 billion hours in the first half of the year.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: That is up on the first half of last year.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Most of it coming from outside the US, though, places
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: like India, 5.2 billion.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Good morning, Mike. Ryan, good to see you. Good to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: see you too.
• 31:45
  Speaker 19: How'd you go last night?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: You feel good about that? I did. Yeah, it was
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a great, fun debate. Good. And they had a good
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: chance to have a crack at each other.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Winner?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: No, I don't mean to say they had a fun
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: time having a crack at each other. It was more
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: a battle of ideas than political parties having a go. Winner?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's cheesy. They all won. Did they? Everyone
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was a winner. Everyone was a winner. I think because
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: the tone of it was not nasty and pathetic. It
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: was actually collegial and robust. Yeah, very cool.
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: Thoughts on going forward?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: What?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Do it again. What, debates?
• 32:24
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: No.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I want to do next election?
• 32:27
  Speaker 19: Vote.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Are you enrolled?
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: Well, you're one of the young people who aren't enrolled.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: What's happening?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not. But I reckon you do it like
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: a MAPS dinner party. You know, have you ever watched
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Married at First Sight?
• 32:38
  Speaker 19: No, of course I haven't, but I know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 19: Do you see the thing on CNN? I've been talking
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  Speaker 19: about this all week. So there was a thing on
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  Speaker 19: CNN the other day, a guy, Tallarico, this is the
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  Speaker 19: Texas race, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 19: So they have a, he's sitting at a table.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 19: And you invite, they pre-selected obviously, but a person from
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  Speaker 19: the audience, and they're all educated and they've got ideas
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  Speaker 19: and stuff, on a subject that they disagree with Tallarico on.
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  Speaker 19: They come down, sit in front of him, say, my
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  Speaker 19: name's Bob. I want to talk about foreign affairs. You
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  Speaker 19: get two or three minutes to do it. He tries
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  Speaker 19: to change your mind. You have a discussion back and forth.
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  Speaker 19: That person gets up, leaves, another person comes down.
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  Speaker 3: And did it work? Seemed to. I liked it. Because
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  Speaker 3: that's a thing, the change my mind thing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a guy that goes and sits at a university
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  Speaker 3: campus and says, change my mind.
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  Speaker 19: I just think I've watched what you've done and everyone
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  Speaker 19: else has done. I honestly believe that we.
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  Speaker 3: Are, someone's got to pull the pin on it. Yeah, look,
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  Speaker 3: we've spoken about this before. You know, after the last election,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, Time for a bit of a change of format.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon a maths dinner party. And you have, you know,
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  Speaker 3: imagine we could sit in a different room watching and judging.
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  Speaker 19: Do they get to drink though?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 19: So would you film it over a longer period of
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  Speaker 19: time and therefore be able to edit it down or
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  Speaker 19: would it have to be live?
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  Speaker 3: You'd want to edit it down.
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  Speaker 19: So you run it for five or six hours.
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  Speaker 3: Because some of them, after a few series, would be
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  Speaker 3: quite punishing.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, but then you'd have to have a rule because
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  Speaker 19: someone's going to turn up and go, I'm not drinking tonight.
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  Speaker 19: And you go, oh, come on. You know what I'm saying? Anyway,
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  Speaker 19: Chris Hipkins is in this morning. We'll talk about the cricket, obviously.
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  Speaker 19: Got the inflation thing coming up. Gunter Steiner, you know
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  Speaker 19: the name Gunter Steiner? He was the star of Drive
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  Speaker 19: to Survive. Or one of the stars of Drive to Survive.
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  Speaker 19: He was the team principal out of Haas. Anyway, he
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  Speaker 19: happens to be coming to the country, so we're going
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  Speaker 19: to talk to him.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Mike with you next. News Talks at B.
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