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Credlin | 24 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. A ceasefire tonight between Iran and Israel.
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Speaker 2: It's been announced and confirmed by both parties. The question
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Speaker 2: is will it hold? Perhaps more importantly, are we sure
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Speaker 2: that all of Iran's nuclear assets really have been disabled?
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Speaker 2: Plenty of domestic news tonight to get across, including the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's cuts to the Opposition staffing and budget. And
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Speaker 2: this is really important because it's vindictive, and it's cynical
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Speaker 2: and it'll leave Australians worse off. Last the tale of
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Speaker 2: two Cities. The Victorian government forced into an embarrassing back
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Speaker 2: down on its gas span, while the City of Sydney
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Speaker 2: is leaning into this nonsense span with gas appliances to
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Speaker 2: go in new homes. And as criticism mounds of Labour's
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Speaker 2: flat foot and response to Iran, the Prime Minister's decided
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Speaker 2: it's all the media full, not his own. As we
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Speaker 2: become irrelevant on the world stage.
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Speaker 3: There are some in the media who have a criticism
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Speaker 3: of anything that the Labor government does. What my government
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Speaker 3: does is act in an orderly coherent way.
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Speaker 2: All right, We've got obviously that ban. It will come
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Speaker 2: into force, the ceasefire almost immediately. There are conditions put
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Speaker 2: on this. But it's all very interesting tonight. It is unfolding,
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Speaker 2: announced of course by the President Trump on his social
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Speaker 2: media the earlier. But I'll get across that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But I've got to have something else to say. I
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Speaker 2: think about our Prime minister, who's becoming more and more
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Speaker 2: diminished as the day goes on and world events swirl
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Speaker 2: around him, and he's left looking like he's trying to
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Speaker 2: lass sue a columnist Smoke. Anthony Albinezi and Pettywong keep
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Speaker 2: trying to tell us that Australia is not central to
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Speaker 2: these events.
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Speaker 4: Central player.
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Speaker 3: We aren't a central player in this contract conflict.
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Speaker 5: This was in ellateral action taken by the United States.
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Speaker 3: I can't be clearer than this was unilateral action taken
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Speaker 3: by the United States.
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Speaker 2: Not centrally, says, despite the fact that our largest military
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Speaker 2: ally is and many Australians two are currently stuck in
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Speaker 2: the region.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: It is bizarre, isn't it that when it relates to Israel,
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Speaker 2: this isn't our sphere of influence the Middle East isn't
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Speaker 2: anywhere or somewhere that Australia gets involved in.
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Speaker 7: Yet.
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Speaker 2: If that's the case, explain to me why the government
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Speaker 2: took three thousand people out of Gaza, where no of
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Speaker 2: them was the neighbor in the region took anyone and
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Speaker 2: we are still funding UNRA. And when we took in way,
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Speaker 2: way more people than any other democracy. The UK it
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Speaker 2: took just one hundred and sixty eight, the United States
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Speaker 2: just seventeen. We took in that three thousand with barely
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Speaker 2: a security check. Now it was our region back then
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Speaker 2: if you listened to Penny Wong and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: But nothing much to do with us now, says Labor.
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Speaker 2: And today, when the Prime Minister was interviewed by my
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Speaker 2: colleague Kieran Gilbert is squeamed yet again over the issue
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Speaker 2: of his own on again off again meeting with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: as the Prime Minister confirmed he would stay away from
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Speaker 2: this week's NATO meeting in the Hague.
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Speaker 1: Should you have gone to NATO even wants to meet
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Speaker 1: with the Indo Pacific allies.
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Speaker 3: They're not there, Kieran. The President of Career is not there.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister of Japan is not there in terms
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Speaker 3: of the IP four or three of the four leaders
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Speaker 3: aren't there. That was a part of the decision making
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Speaker 3: process that we made.
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Speaker 4: NATO is about NATO.
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Speaker 2: Now someone banked this out to be all about Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: that the Trump meeting wasn't confirmed, so Albaneze couldn't afford
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Speaker 2: to go there and was looking like he had been
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Speaker 2: stood up a second time. But much more significant is
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Speaker 2: the fact that Albanezer couldn't sit around the table at
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Speaker 2: NATO and face the recriminations of having the lowest defense
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Speaker 2: spending in the room after most other nations have up
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Speaker 2: their spending as a result of growing global threats. That
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Speaker 2: is why Albanese is staying put in Australia and instead
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Speaker 2: of sending his defense minister who'll offer up his usual
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Speaker 2: miles weak excuses for an action now. Interestingly, in the
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Speaker 2: interview today, Kieran Gilbert also pressed the Prime Minister on
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Speaker 2: Australia's security threat level and whether we need it to
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Speaker 2: do more here given events in the Middle East. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister almost flippantly pushed this concern to one side
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Speaker 2: with an insurance he said these things were always being
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Speaker 2: looked at.
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Speaker 1: The national terror threat level. Is that under review. Well
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Speaker 1: we're here this talk about sleeper cells in the US.
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Speaker 1: Is this something you'll reed on.
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Speaker 3: It is constantly monitored, but there's been no chain in
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Speaker 3: the National security alert. We continue to have our national
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Speaker 3: security agencies to monitor the situation.
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Speaker 2: And look, yes it is constantly monitored, but not by
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, by his officials. And it was these
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Speaker 2: very same intelligence officials that Albanezy booted from the National
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Speaker 2: Security Committee in his first term. So while they might
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Speaker 2: be doing their assessments their job, my question is is
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Speaker 2: the government reading the assessments now? Are they getting the
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Speaker 2: briefings they should be getting. Are they doing enough to
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Speaker 2: manage the real risk of young Australian boys being radicalized
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Speaker 2: online because of these events? Because this is what has
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Speaker 2: happened in the past. I saw it firsthand when the
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Speaker 2: West took on Islamic State ten years ago, and why
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Speaker 2: I would want to be absolutely sure it's been watched
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Speaker 2: just as closely this time round. But with this Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: you have got to wonder. Look in the People's Republic
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Speaker 2: of Victoria, there's been a minor reprieve from the energy madness,
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Speaker 2: with the Allen Labour government softening its earlier ban on
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Speaker 2: gas appliances in the home. Existing homes can still use
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Speaker 2: gas for heating and cooking, but if replacing a hot
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Speaker 2: water system after twenty twenty seven, it will have to
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Speaker 2: be electric, not gas, and all new homes and all
6:30
Speaker 2: new commercial buildings are still supposed to be electric, even
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Speaker 2: though Labour's looming all renewable's power system is likely to
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Speaker 2: be both expensive and unreliable. To get to its ninety
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Speaker 2: five percent target of renewable energy within a decade, Labour
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Speaker 2: wants seven percent of Victoria's land masks to be covered
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Speaker 2: by an additional one thousand wind turbines and a further
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Speaker 2: five point two million solar panels, plus hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 2: of kilometers of new transmission lines. And to get around
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Speaker 2: the growing resistance of farmers and rural communities to these
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Speaker 2: transmission lines cunning across their land and making much of
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Speaker 2: it worthless, Labours slipped legislation into the Parliament last week that,
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Speaker 2: if passed, could hit landlowners land owners with fines worth
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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars if they refuse to put
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Speaker 2: transmission lines on their private property. Yes their private property,
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Speaker 2: according to the new National Electricity Victoria Amendment VIC Greed
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Speaker 2: Stage two reform bill. It reads that authorized officers accompanied
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Speaker 2: by officers of electricity corporations will be able to enter
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Speaker 2: private land without owner or occupy consent, and the fines
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Speaker 2: will hit farmers who resist. But they'll also be hit
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Speaker 2: with fines if they take down any signs from power companies,
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Speaker 2: or if they even refuse to identify themselves to these
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Speaker 2: authorized officers, even if they're standing in their own paddocks. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberals have rightly said this stinks, but they
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Speaker 2: have not said they'll oppose the legislation. They have not
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Speaker 2: said if elected next year, if they will repeal it.
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Speaker 8: I mean what the government's doing is draconian. I mean
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Speaker 8: they are taking away people's rights. They're finding you if
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Speaker 8: you don't like it, and if you speak out, and
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Speaker 8: by the way, if you speak out, they're not going
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Speaker 8: to listen to you. The only way we can stop
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Speaker 8: this stuff is to change the government.
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Speaker 2: That's the Victorian shadow treasurer there. And sure, I agree
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Speaker 2: with everything you just said, but nowhere in that interview
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Speaker 2: with Steve Price on Friday night did he say what
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Speaker 2: he and the Liberals would do. So today I went
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Speaker 2: back to the opposition, and I asked the Victorian Liberals
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Speaker 2: for a clear position. Well, this is the rubbish that
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Speaker 2: has come back to me tonight. They've called these laws draconian,
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Speaker 2: which they are. They say it's taking a huge news
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Speaker 2: stick to beat local communities, which it is. But nowhere
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Speaker 2: do they say what they will do. They couldn't even
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Speaker 2: tell me that they will oppose them in the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: let alone what they might do if they're elected in
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Speaker 2: November next year. Now that is not good enough. It
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Speaker 2: is beyond time for the Liberals to get off the
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Speaker 2: bloody fence. All right, let's go to camera for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: As I say, things are moving pretty fast tonight in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. I'll keep you across all of that.
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Speaker 2: Johny minowskyn Is political reporter Treddy Macintosh.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister rejects claims he was flat footed in
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Speaker 9: response to the US strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 4: Now are you only by the usual suspects?
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Speaker 9: Kieran Anthony Alberzi also standing by the decision not to
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Speaker 9: attend the NATO summit this week. That's despite the chance
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Speaker 9: he could secure FaceTime with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Should you've gone to NATO, He wants to meet with
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Speaker 1: the Indo Pacific.
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Speaker 4: They're not there.
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Speaker 3: Kiiran, the President of Career, is not there. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister of Japan is not there.
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Speaker 4: NATO is about NATO.
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Speaker 9: Amid global economic uncertainty. Treasurer Charmers will talk to the
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Speaker 9: US Treasury Secretary tomorrow.
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Speaker 10: I expect that conversation to traverse issues like critical minerals, obviously,
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Speaker 10: trade and tariffs.
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Speaker 9: YouTube is said to be included in the looming social
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Speaker 9: media ban for children under sixteen. The E Safety Commissioner,
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Speaker 9: Julian man Grant argues the carbout should be revised. It
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Speaker 9: would prevent kids having an account on the video platform
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Speaker 9: alongside other social media platforms.
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Speaker 5: The stakes are high and we know that the eyes
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Speaker 5: of the world are upon us.
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Speaker 9: YouTube has hit back, accusing the E Safety Commissioner of
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Speaker 9: ignoring the views of families, teachers and broad community sentiment.
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Speaker 5: Any platform that says they're absolutely safe is absolutely spinning words.
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Speaker 9: And it's welcome to Parliament for the new class of
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Speaker 9: MPs entering the House of Representatives for the first time,
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Speaker 9: the Speaker teaching the new Polly's rules and procedures. Parliament
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Speaker 9: will return for the first time since the election mid
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Speaker 9: next month. Trudy Macintosh Sky News, Camperra.
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Speaker 2: Look In News justin I said it was moving pretty fast.
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Speaker 2: Israel has ordered intense strikes on Tehran, accusing Iran of
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Speaker 2: reaching the ceasefire. Not long after Benjaminett Yaho accepted the deal.
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Speaker 2: Jodymanown to discuss this and more. National affairs editor The
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Speaker 2: Datia Telegraph's Guy On news host James Morrow, and Deputy
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Speaker 2: Executive director at the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel Wild.
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Speaker 2: I'll start with you, James. I know it's only emerging now,
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Speaker 2: this resumption of strikes against Tehran. I guess my issue
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Speaker 2: with the waives played out today. You know the comments
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Speaker 2: from the US President that there is now a cease fire,
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Speaker 2: long before the two parties came out and agreed to it.
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Speaker 2: My concern is this seems very very premature. There's not
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Speaker 2: yet confirmation those nuclear assets in Tehran and in Iran
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Speaker 2: more broadly have been taken out. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: know you want to finish these wars quickly or they
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Speaker 2: strikes quickly, but you want to finish them absolutely. You
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Speaker 2: want to win them. You don't just want to get
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Speaker 2: it done quickly. What do you make of this news tonight.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think that Iran basically asked for Israel to
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Speaker 11: come back and strike back, as it's reportedly done in
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Speaker 11: the last few minutes, with MISSUS being sent back in
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Speaker 11: Tehran's direction by Israel. Now this comes after, as you
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Speaker 11: say this morning, it's been a wild ride today, Pete.
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Speaker 11: In the last you know, ten twelve hours, we had
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Speaker 11: Donald Trump with that announcement saying there's peace. We've got
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Speaker 11: peace between Iran and Israel. Both sides are going to
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Speaker 11: accept it. After twelve hours, twenty four hours. Thank you
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Speaker 11: for your attention to this matter. Well, Iran, as we know,
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Speaker 11: they kept firing miss until the last minute, and then
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Speaker 11: they went over that and they hit an apartment block
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Speaker 11: in beershe in the south of Israel for people I
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Speaker 11: think reportedly died there, which is of course a tragedy.
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Speaker 11: But also you know, it shows that Iran is not serious.
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Speaker 11: But the other the question Peter too is you know,
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Speaker 11: you see the parties haven't come out and said they
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Speaker 11: accepted it. We also don't know who in Tehran is
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Speaker 11: able to even accept the deal. We don't know if
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Speaker 11: the Iatola kame and E is alive. We're dead. We
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Speaker 11: don't know who's actually in charge of things. We don't
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Speaker 11: know what the state of the government is there at
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Speaker 11: this stage. So the question of who can give the
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Speaker 11: order to cease fire, to stand down, that's an open question,
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Speaker 11: as is of course the question about the nuclear material
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Speaker 11: which you raise.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to this with Tom Switzer from the
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Speaker 2: Center of Individent Studies, but of a US expertial job
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Speaker 2: in our moment. But let's go to the domestic fall
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Speaker 2: out for our Prime minister here in Australia about all
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Speaker 2: of these various issues around his belated response to the
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Speaker 2: US strikes, as we Noah to be saying on Sunday
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Speaker 2: only briefly yesterday, pretty much on the back foot again
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Speaker 2: today sat down, of course with Kieren Gilbert defending not
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Speaker 2: going to NATO and everything else. Have a listen, should.
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Speaker 1: You've gone to NATO even wants to meet with the
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Speaker 1: Indo Pacific allies.
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Speaker 3: They're not there, Kieren, the President of Career is not there,
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister of Japan is not there. In terms
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Speaker 3: of the ip four or three of the four leaders
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Speaker 3: aren't there. That was a part of the decision making
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Speaker 3: process that we made.
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Speaker 4: NATO is about NATO.
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Speaker 2: Sure, then those neighbors are not there, but everybody else
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Speaker 2: in NATO's around the table. And I think it's less
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Speaker 2: to do about whether it be stood up by Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump again and more about the fact that when he
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Speaker 2: sits around that table and where two fifths of bugger
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Speaker 2: all in terms of defense spending in a two point
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Speaker 2: three three percent of GDP, everybody else is three percent,
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Speaker 2: and plus we look like we're not pulling our weight.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, Peter, Australia is not taken seriously on the international
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Speaker 12: stage at the moment. And a part of that is,
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Speaker 12: as you greatly identify, we're not putting in our fair share.
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Speaker 12: But another part of it is I think that this
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Speaker 12: government has always had a domestic focus and a domestic
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Speaker 12: lens that it casts over the foreign policy decisions, particularly
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Speaker 12: as it pertains to matters in the Middle East. That's
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Speaker 12: driven by, as you know, the high Islamic vote that
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Speaker 12: Labour gets and wants to continue courting that vote. And
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Speaker 12: it's also partly driven by the fact that there's been
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Speaker 12: a long term hostility amongst some within Labor towards the
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Speaker 12: United States that has been heightened with the election of
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump, who many have a personal animosity towards, And
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Speaker 12: the reality is, whether you like Trump or not, he's
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Speaker 12: the president. America is our most important ally, and I
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Speaker 12: think that there's a lot of concerns about how the government,
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Speaker 12: as I say, casts a domestic lens over these important
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Speaker 12: foreign policy decisions, and they seem to not have the
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Speaker 12: ability to put our national interests ahead of their domestic
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Speaker 12: political considerations. And these are the consequences that we're now seeing.
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Speaker 7: I was a bit.
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Speaker 2: Cranky with the Prime Minister last night, James on air,
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Speaker 2: because I thought it was a dereliction of duty that
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Speaker 2: he did not have an NFC on Sunday. He should
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Speaker 2: have caused a National Security Committee meeting. He was asked
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Speaker 2: pointedly about the terror threat today. He said it has
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Speaker 2: not changed, and he saw it was a big glib
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Speaker 2: with his response. I don't think he's across his brief
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Speaker 2: in general terms, particularly in this space. I'm not confident
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Speaker 2: that he's getting the briefings he should. I'm not confident
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Speaker 2: that the experts are meeting with him as regularly as
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Speaker 2: they should. We also know, of course, AZO and the AFP,
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Speaker 2: which have got carriage at these issues in Australia. Well,
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Speaker 2: he punted them out of the NFC in his last
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Speaker 2: term and was only embarrassed and forced to put them
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Speaker 2: back around the table. And I remember last time with
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Speaker 2: Islamic status. I've already said tonight there was such a
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Speaker 2: radicalization of young Australian kids online playing out as they
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Speaker 2: were watching events in the Middle East. And when we
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Speaker 2: look at what's happening overseas, we see in the United
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Speaker 2: States that this is a live issue. We've got experts
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Speaker 2: in Australia warning we are not taking this seriously enough.
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Speaker 2: How confident are you when you look to Canberra.
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Speaker 11: Not terribly, Peter, And you know you bring up the
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Speaker 11: NSC and this is not the first time we've had
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Speaker 11: these issues around this. I mean, I recall after the
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Speaker 11: our Cobra seventh attacks on Israel Bijamas, there was a
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Speaker 11: great question about whether or not the Prime Minister had
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Speaker 11: even bothered to call the NSC together during that international crisis. So,
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Speaker 11: you know, I think there's a real pattern we can
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Speaker 11: see here of this government being really passive and frankly
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Speaker 11: when it comes to this sort of national security stuff,
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Speaker 11: and whether it's you know, the United States and China,
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Speaker 11: whether it's this Iran whatever. There's a passivity and the
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Speaker 11: general sense I get, yes, you know what you guys
17:53
Speaker 11: have been saying is right. You know, there's sort of
17:54
Speaker 11: a distaste for Donald Trump and the United States and
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Speaker 11: this progressive patriotism which requires opposition to the United States
18:02
Speaker 11: to define itself. But there's also I think a real
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Speaker 11: wish when it comes to foreign policy and the concerns
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Speaker 11: of foreign policy and national security that it would just
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Speaker 11: all go away. That's the sense I always get from
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Speaker 11: Anthony Albinisi whenever he's asked about these sort of critical
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Speaker 11: foreign policy matters, is that he just thinks this is
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Speaker 11: just too much, too complicated. It doesn't impact the domestic business,
18:27
Speaker 11: which he is sort of interested in. I guess when
18:30
Speaker 11: it comes to Australia, and that's about you know, constituencies
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Speaker 11: and votes and spending our money and you know, building
18:38
Speaker 11: that sort of you know, reorientated society that he wants
18:41
Speaker 11: to do. He finds the foreign policy stuff, the security stuff,
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Speaker 11: a huge distraction and I don't think we are very
18:47
Speaker 11: well served by this government at all when it comes
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Speaker 11: to him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he leaves putting long with a whippan. I
18:53
Speaker 2: think that's dangerous in itself. Dan, Let's go to some
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Speaker 2: issues in Melbourne, because I know you're here in Adelaide tonight.
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Speaker 2: You lived here for a long time. We talk about
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Speaker 2: it constantly in Victoria about how crime has just skyrocketed
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Speaker 2: in the suburbs. But have a look at this vision.
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Speaker 2: This was with the Jackie Fellgate on three aw yesterday
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Speaker 2: and this vision was posted on her Instagram page. You
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Speaker 2: can see a car there. Men are getting out with
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Speaker 2: axes bashing into a car that's got two young women
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Speaker 2: inside the car. This is in barich on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: These women did nothing. We think it's a road rage incident,
19:29
Speaker 2: but it's not yet confirmed. The women are left very,
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Speaker 2: very shaken. These guys get back in their car, they
19:37
Speaker 2: drive away. They bring the police. They make it clear
19:40
Speaker 2: to the police it's an emergency. It involves axes on
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Speaker 2: their car and a witness who saw it all spoke
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Speaker 2: to Jackie Felgate. But surprisingly, if you can believe this,
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Speaker 2: the police were not available to go out there to
19:51
Speaker 2: this event. They asked the women to drive that car,
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Speaker 2: which should hardly be roadworthy, to the station. They said
19:57
Speaker 2: they could not spare the resources to listen to what
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Speaker 2: the witness had to say.
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Speaker 13: We went out to see if the two young ladies
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Speaker 13: were okay, and they were quite distressed and in shock.
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Speaker 13: The most distressing part was they called police after about
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Speaker 13: twenty minutes. My partner also called the police. Well after
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Speaker 13: an hour, no police on site, and then they phoned
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Speaker 13: the victims and told them to drive to the police
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Speaker 13: station to give a statement.
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Speaker 2: Not good enough.
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Speaker 7: Not good enough, Dan, No, it's shocking.
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Speaker 12: And I think there's a lot of issues here, but
20:36
Speaker 12: one of them clearly is the degradation of the police
20:39
Speaker 12: force in Victoria. I mean, one of the problems you've
20:41
Speaker 12: got in Victoria is that people are not signing up
20:43
Speaker 12: to join the police, so they don't have enough police,
20:46
Speaker 12: not enough cops on the beat. And a part of
20:48
Speaker 12: the reason for that, Peter, is because of what happened
20:50
Speaker 12: during COVID. I mean, I think this is a part
20:52
Speaker 12: of the fallout from that where police lost a lot
20:55
Speaker 12: of trust with the community during COVID because they were
20:57
Speaker 12: shooting people with rubber bullets and stopping children from going
21:01
Speaker 12: on playgrounds and all the rest of it. And so
21:03
Speaker 12: the community no longer has the respect for the police
21:05
Speaker 12: force as it once did. And I think that's a
21:07
Speaker 12: very sad and disappointing thing, but it's the reality of
21:10
Speaker 12: what happened. And as I've said before, I don't blame
21:13
Speaker 12: the frontline police. I blame the leadership of the police
21:15
Speaker 12: for essentially becoming politicized during COVID. But I do think
21:19
Speaker 12: a part of the problem here is not just as
21:21
Speaker 12: we've discussed how weak and soft the Allen government is
21:24
Speaker 12: on crime, but the fact that people aren't putting their
21:26
Speaker 12: hand up to sign up for the police because they're
21:29
Speaker 12: not respected in the community in a way they once
21:32
Speaker 12: used to be. And these are the real world consequences
21:35
Speaker 12: of that.
21:35
Speaker 2: Peter, let's talk about staffing, because it might sound like
21:40
Speaker 2: a camera bubble issue, James, but if you don't have
21:42
Speaker 2: a strong opposition, you don't get good government. And it's
21:45
Speaker 2: taken almost two months for the Prime minister too, because
21:48
Speaker 2: all the staff are vested in the Prime minister under
21:50
Speaker 2: the Act for the Prime Minister to tell the opposition
21:53
Speaker 2: how many staff they're going to get. Now, traditionally, this
21:56
Speaker 2: ratio goes back to the Howard era and it's been
21:59
Speaker 2: honored by every single prime minister, Labor or Liberal since
22:03
Speaker 2: that time. The opposition gets twenty one percent of the
22:07
Speaker 2: overall government staff pool. Well, this prime minister slashed it
22:12
Speaker 2: down to seventeen percent, which means about twenty senior staff
22:16
Speaker 2: in the coalition will lose their jobs. So you end
22:19
Speaker 2: up with the equation of the government having eighty three
22:23
Speaker 2: more staff in their ranks than the opposition. The opposition
22:27
Speaker 2: will get about sixty. The government will be over about
22:30
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty plus they've got three hundred and
22:34
Speaker 2: sixty thousand public servants. Now, as I said, if you
22:37
Speaker 2: want good government, you need a strong opposition. But I
22:40
Speaker 2: think this is absolutely below the belt. It's never been
22:43
Speaker 2: done before that I could remember, in about thirty thirty
22:46
Speaker 2: five years. And this says a lot about the Prime
22:50
Speaker 2: Minister's character.
22:53
Speaker 11: Yeah, Peter, look, you're exactly right. This is an issue
22:56
Speaker 11: of character. This shows the Prime Minister, I think, to
22:59
Speaker 11: be a weak man. I think it shows him to
23:01
Speaker 11: be a small man. I think he is a man
23:03
Speaker 11: who does not want to brook any opposition. You know,
23:08
Speaker 11: here's a guy who goes on and on about threats
23:11
Speaker 11: to our democracy. You know, as the saying goes, Well, this,
23:15
Speaker 11: as you suggest, Peter, really is a threat to our democracy.
23:17
Speaker 11: I mean, do you want a functional opposition or do
23:21
Speaker 11: you want a one party state? And of course not
23:23
Speaker 11: just a coalition that's had to suffer this blow here
23:26
Speaker 11: as well. Paul Enhans has come out today talking about
23:29
Speaker 11: the staffing hit that her One Nation Party is going
23:31
Speaker 11: to take as well. It looks to me like this
23:35
Speaker 11: is a government that does not trust itself to even
23:39
Speaker 11: go up against an opposition that has decent staffing. I
23:42
Speaker 11: mean just decent staffing. You know, answer the phones, deal
23:45
Speaker 11: with correspondence, you know what it's like in these offices.
23:48
Speaker 11: You know, much less come up with policy. A confident
23:52
Speaker 11: prime minister who had just won a thumping majority, which
23:55
Speaker 11: he did last month, would not behave like this. I
23:59
Speaker 11: think it shows petty, small minded vindictiveness and a lot
24:04
Speaker 11: of people who've come up behind the scenes with the
24:06
Speaker 11: Prime Minister and crossed him in different ways would know
24:10
Speaker 11: that the warm, cuddly album that you see out there
24:12
Speaker 11: on your screens, that's not all there is to them.
24:18
Speaker 2: It's straight out of the Daniel Andrews playbook in Victoria.
24:22
Speaker 2: So when they had their boozy lunch the other day,
24:24
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and Daniel Andrews at a very fancy
24:27
Speaker 2: Melbourne restaurant. I suspect this was part of what was
24:29
Speaker 2: discussed and now implemented in Canberra. Thank you, gentlemen. Let's
24:34
Speaker 2: go down to the tailor of two cities today in
24:35
Speaker 2: relation to decisions on gas in Melbourne and across Victoria.
24:39
Speaker 2: More broadly, the government has been forced to back down
24:43
Speaker 2: and after controversial reforms I aimed at cutting out the
24:46
Speaker 2: use of domestic gas, it will now allow gas appliances
24:50
Speaker 2: for heating in owner occupied homes, while businesses can keep
24:55
Speaker 2: gas running in existing commercial buildings but not restaurants in
25:00
Speaker 2: a raft of new places. Of course, if you replace
25:02
Speaker 2: some appliances like hot water, you must move to electric,
25:08
Speaker 2: but in a BAFTE move. In Sydney, given what's played
25:11
Speaker 2: out in Victoria, they've done the reverse. They're bringing forward
25:14
Speaker 2: bands on gas appliances and that will hit hard in
25:18
Speaker 2: new homes from next year. The motion passed the Council
25:22
Speaker 2: last night. Clovermore proposing the ban also is in relation
25:27
Speaker 2: to officers, hotels and serviced apartments. Joining me now to
25:31
Speaker 2: discuss this. MST Financial Senior Energy analyst Saul Kavonic, Well,
25:37
Speaker 2: a bit of a backflip in Victoria. It's still though
25:41
Speaker 2: gas on the way out. But it's absolutely on the
25:45
Speaker 2: way out in Sydney, and a hell of a lot faster.
25:48
Speaker 2: As Sydney chef Luke Magnan, he has been one of
25:51
Speaker 2: the huge critics. He says, you need reliable gas to
25:55
Speaker 2: cook from and cook with in these big restaurants. What's
25:58
Speaker 2: going on here is that we're running out of gas
26:01
Speaker 2: so much that we're panicking, we're ripping heaters out of homes.
26:04
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
26:05
Speaker 3: Soul.
26:07
Speaker 7: I don't think we're at that point yet, Peter. I mean,
26:10
Speaker 7: I don't think anyone is really going to be accusing
26:14
Speaker 7: local councils of brimming with energy market expertise to understand
26:18
Speaker 7: the ramifications of what they're doing. But what is telling
26:22
Speaker 7: is this backtrack in Victoria, and a big part of
26:27
Speaker 7: it is what's starting to dawn on the Victorian government
26:30
Speaker 7: is if they actually were successful in going down their
26:32
Speaker 7: path of reducing gas usage for heating, what it actually
26:36
Speaker 7: does is it starts to drastically increase the network costs
26:41
Speaker 7: on the manufacturing base, who then have to cover a
26:44
Speaker 7: much larger portion of that fixed infrastructure analytization, and so
26:49
Speaker 7: then you'll see an even further hastening of the deterioration
26:54
Speaker 7: of the manufacturing and small business sector in Victoria. A
26:58
Speaker 7: lot of industry folks just over the last kind of
27:00
Speaker 7: twelve hours have been questioning if the Energy Minister in Victoria,
27:04
Speaker 7: Lily Denbrosio, has effectively been overruled by her own party
27:09
Speaker 7: in this because she's been one of the big advocates
27:13
Speaker 7: of demonizing gas use and getting our customers off gas.
27:21
Speaker 7: What's really important is if Victoria actually wants to fix
27:24
Speaker 7: their gas supply security issue, they need to have a
27:28
Speaker 7: very clear statement backed up by actions that they see
27:32
Speaker 7: a role for gas in the future. And because they're
27:34
Speaker 7: still ultimately sitting on the fence here and only partly
27:36
Speaker 7: walking it back, the appetite for investment in their gas
27:39
Speaker 7: security is still not going to return.
27:44
Speaker 2: Very good point about the commercial players. Manufacturing obviously had
27:48
Speaker 2: been a big part of the Victorian economy when it
27:51
Speaker 2: had a cheap coal out of the Latrope valley that
27:54
Speaker 2: has obviously fallen away. Poulsters said to me saw that
27:57
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why the government was looking to
28:00
Speaker 2: walk this back before they formerly did today was because
28:04
Speaker 2: the Indian voter and the Chinese voter and other sort
28:09
Speaker 2: of Asian ethnic communities. They love gas in the home
28:12
Speaker 2: and it was hurting labor politically. I think that's a
28:14
Speaker 2: fair point.
28:17
Speaker 7: I think it's very fair. The Victorian government and Energy
28:20
Speaker 7: Ministry in particular continue to make the case that it
28:23
Speaker 7: is cleaner and cheaper and better to get off gas
28:26
Speaker 7: and electrify. And the thing is, if their case was
28:30
Speaker 7: being made well, then the public would be listening and
28:33
Speaker 7: wouldn't be wanting to install gas heaters and gas cookers anymore.
28:37
Speaker 7: The fact that they felt the need to ban it
28:39
Speaker 7: actually shows that they realized their argument wasn't witting people over.
28:45
Speaker 6: Right.
28:45
Speaker 2: Okay, I can see you in London tonight. Talk to
28:47
Speaker 2: me about the Straits of Hormuz and any play out
28:52
Speaker 2: that we might have given the bombing in Iran and
28:55
Speaker 2: oil supply internationally, particularly in the case of Australia. Are
29:00
Speaker 2: the price of petrol? Anything you can tell us here
29:03
Speaker 2: about discussions at an international level.
29:07
Speaker 7: Well, in the space of a few hours, we went
29:09
Speaker 7: from the brink of World War three narrative to peace
29:12
Speaker 7: in the Middle East with a ceasefine. We'll see if
29:15
Speaker 7: that holds and that seen oil prices come down again.
29:19
Speaker 7: But the overall risk situation in the Middle East remains
29:22
Speaker 7: quite elevated. Remember, we still don't actually have a nuclear
29:26
Speaker 7: deal with Irad here. The scope for that is still
29:29
Speaker 7: highly questionable, and we could end up with a period
29:32
Speaker 7: of ongoing low intensity conflict like we've seen in other
29:36
Speaker 7: parts of the Middle East and also in Ukraine, with
29:39
Speaker 7: the scope for things to flare up. Bearing in mind,
29:41
Speaker 7: twenty percent of the world's oil and twenty percent of
29:44
Speaker 7: the world's liquefied natural gas all passed through the straight
29:47
Speaker 7: up home was right next to Iran, and so any
29:49
Speaker 7: kind of development there, any kind of escalation, is going
29:52
Speaker 7: to see these spikes in prices. So I think we're
29:54
Speaker 7: looking at much high increase voluntility and risk of prices
29:59
Speaker 7: sparking to the up side for the foreseeable future.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yes, I took some precautions and put diesel in my
30:06
Speaker 2: car just the other day, thinking this might be the
30:09
Speaker 2: end result. But we'll see, we'll see, Thank you, Saul.
30:12
Speaker 2: After the break. Given where we are tonight with a
30:15
Speaker 2: ceasefire we had that looks like it is already being
30:17
Speaker 2: broken on at the latest with US expert Tom Switzer
30:21
Speaker 2: after the break, welcome back. Still the calm White. It's
30:28
Speaker 2: not just Iran's nuclear capacity that should alarm us, but
30:32
Speaker 2: also it's pushed for a caliphate. The brilliant I and
30:35
Speaker 2: Hersiali coming out. But first the Australians. Foreign editor Greg
30:38
Speaker 2: Sheridan has today slammed Anthony Albanese's delayed response to the
30:42
Speaker 2: US strikes in Iran, saying the Prime Minister's confusion, passivity
30:47
Speaker 2: and weakness has made us irrelevant. Here he was talking
30:51
Speaker 2: a little earlier about the government today on Sky.
30:55
Speaker 14: It likes either the courage of its convictions to support
30:57
Speaker 14: it properly, and it lacks the courage of its lack
31:00
Speaker 14: of convictions to oppose it properly. So I don't think
31:03
Speaker 14: the Australian government has ever been more comprehensively irrelevant than
31:08
Speaker 14: it is today.
31:10
Speaker 2: Jonavan now the executive director of the Center for Independent Study.
31:13
Speaker 2: Is Tom Switzer, Well, it doesn't mince his words there,
31:16
Speaker 2: both in print and on camera. Do you think he's
31:19
Speaker 2: right to say that Albaneze has made us irrelevant on
31:22
Speaker 2: the world stage?
31:22
Speaker 15: Tom, Well, bear in mind, Peter, many nations around the world,
31:28
Speaker 15: including US allies Japan, South Korea, have not given unqualified
31:34
Speaker 15: and unconditional support to these US strikes. I mean they
31:37
Speaker 15: were unilateral, that is a fact. They didn't have a
31:39
Speaker 15: UN mandate, nor do they have US congressional authorization. And
31:45
Speaker 15: many Americans from left to right, Democrats and Republicans, are
31:50
Speaker 15: highly anxious that this could drag the United States once
31:54
Speaker 15: again into a forever war. So I don't think that
31:57
Speaker 15: Canberra's stance really damages australia credibility or isolates us in
32:01
Speaker 15: the world, especially if and it is still and if
32:05
Speaker 15: there is a ceasefire.
32:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that at the moment. Do you
32:09
Speaker 2: think the Prime Minister shouldn't be at NATO rather than
32:12
Speaker 2: send his deputy?
32:16
Speaker 15: Well, the Japanese and the South Korean leaders are pulled
32:18
Speaker 15: out of NATO, not that they're part of NATO, Nora
32:20
Speaker 15: is Australia. I mean, remember, Australia is one of many
32:23
Speaker 15: countries that are desperate to meet with the new president.
32:26
Speaker 15: Albo is not alone.
32:30
Speaker 2: Do you think we should be there at the table
32:32
Speaker 2: because when he was stood up at the G seven
32:34
Speaker 2: that was certainly on the cards last week.
32:39
Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, it's Donald Trump's only been in the
32:43
Speaker 15: White House for five months, and I think it's usually
32:46
Speaker 15: six months before a new president or a new prime
32:49
Speaker 15: minister meet for the first time, and I think the
32:52
Speaker 15: record was in early nineteen sixty one when Sir Robert
32:56
Speaker 15: Menzies met with President John F. Kennedy and James and
33:00
Speaker 15: the prominent diplomatic historian highlights that GoF Whitlam was frozen
33:05
Speaker 15: out of the Nixon White House in nineteen seventy three,
33:08
Speaker 15: and yet Nixon and Kissinger were supping with the Soviet
33:11
Speaker 15: dictator Breshnif So you know, bear that in mind. It's
33:17
Speaker 15: important for the Australian Prime minister have a good relationship
33:19
Speaker 15: with the US president, and it's incumbent on Cambridge to
33:21
Speaker 15: make that happen. After all, China, not Iran or Russia
33:26
Speaker 15: for that matter, remained the greater threat to Australia and
33:30
Speaker 15: the United States. So it's in Canberra's interest to make
33:32
Speaker 15: this happen. But I don't think we should get two
33:34
Speaker 15: worked up about it for now.
33:37
Speaker 2: I think the problem though all those former prime ministers
33:39
Speaker 2: hadn't ventilated so publicly about incumbent presidents. I think part
33:43
Speaker 2: of the problem is our ambassador, our Foreign Minister, and
33:47
Speaker 2: our Prime minister have all been pretty negative about a
33:49
Speaker 2: bloke that's got a glass jaw and a lot of power. Yeah.
33:55
Speaker 15: Well, look, I think Donald Trump is a unique case
33:57
Speaker 15: to be frank. I mean, he's an exceptional president in
33:59
Speaker 15: the sense that he's highly sensitive to criticism. Look, there's
34:05
Speaker 15: a danger here for the Prime Minister and the Foreign
34:07
Speaker 15: Minister for that matter, to look like they're bending over
34:10
Speaker 15: backwards for Trumpet. But at the same time I think
34:12
Speaker 15: there are appropriate channels underway for them to maintain a relationship.
34:16
Speaker 15: And remember Australia is not alone here, you know. And
34:20
Speaker 15: as I say, the main game is not Iran. The
34:22
Speaker 15: main game is China and Asia. And it's incumbent on
34:25
Speaker 15: our leadership to have a close relationship with Washington to
34:28
Speaker 15: hedge against the rise in China.
34:32
Speaker 2: Particularly because Washington's more switched on to China as a
34:35
Speaker 2: threat than our mob appeared to be. Let's go to
34:37
Speaker 2: this ceasefire, which looks in the last half an hour
34:41
Speaker 2: or so to be over earlier today, Former US Army
34:45
Speaker 2: major Mike Lyons was on Sky. He seemed pretty skeptical.
34:50
Speaker 2: Then it was a year innilateral announcement by the US
34:52
Speaker 2: President that the ceasefire was there, yet then to be
34:55
Speaker 2: confirmed by Iran or Israel. But this is what he
34:59
Speaker 2: had to say about the President's announcement.
35:02
Speaker 16: I think it's not Franklin Israel's best interest to stop anything.
35:05
Speaker 16: Right now, we don't know whether exactly the United States
35:10
Speaker 16: did act and did eradicate the Iranian nuclear capability or not,
35:15
Speaker 16: so there's a lot of unknowns there.
35:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I.
35:19
Speaker 2: Listened to his comments, I felt it was pretty premature
35:21
Speaker 2: to call the thing over until we've got confirmation that
35:24
Speaker 2: those three sites and others genuinely were taken out. Is
35:28
Speaker 2: that fair.
35:31
Speaker 1: Well?
35:31
Speaker 15: Preventive wars history shows are fraught with the danger of
35:36
Speaker 15: unintended consequences. But the thing about this Iranian strike, retaliatory
35:41
Speaker 15: strike against the US base in Qatar overnight our time,
35:46
Speaker 15: is that it was pretty limited. No one was killed,
35:49
Speaker 15: there was no serious damage. And my sense is that
35:53
Speaker 15: to this indicates if these attitudes prevail in Tehran, and
35:57
Speaker 15: we're still at the very early stages of this conflict,
36:00
Speaker 15: but to the extent those attitudes prevail in Tehran, that
36:03
Speaker 15: would indicate that Iran's mullers are more bent on survival
36:09
Speaker 15: than martyrdom. And also, let's not forget Iran has been
36:13
Speaker 15: seriously diminished since October seven. You know, the sa crescent
36:18
Speaker 15: is really no more. Hesbla's really been diminished in Lebanon,
36:23
Speaker 15: so too has the Shia militia in Syria. This hard
36:26
Speaker 15: regime's gone in Sirius, so Iran is really on the
36:29
Speaker 15: back foot. Is it really in Tehran's interests to provoke
36:34
Speaker 15: the Americans? And it would be the easiest thing in
36:37
Speaker 15: the world, getting back to your original point, Peter, to
36:40
Speaker 15: taunt and go this president out of his sense of restraint,
36:44
Speaker 15: and who knows where we might end up. But my
36:46
Speaker 15: sense is that the Mullers in Tehran have a lot
36:49
Speaker 15: more to lose by being deliberately provocative in this environment.
36:55
Speaker 2: Right well over it there, I'm suggesting it probably will
36:58
Speaker 2: change by the hour, Tom Switzer, thank you. The military operations,
37:02
Speaker 2: we'll get to those in the moment. We'll talk to
37:05
Speaker 2: Iron Hersey Ali after this break. Welcome a back coming up,
37:14
Speaker 2: the scandal of government funded charter flings will only fly
37:18
Speaker 2: indigenous children and leave non indigenous kids in remote areas
37:22
Speaker 2: on the tarmac even if there's a seat that's empty.
37:27
Speaker 2: The first let's bring in global commentator and Skinny's regular
37:29
Speaker 2: Iron Hersey Ali to commentate to with us now on
37:32
Speaker 2: the events in the Middle East. It's been a remarkable
37:35
Speaker 2: forty eight hours or so. It's still moving fast tonight,
37:38
Speaker 2: I am. I'm sure you're across the latest talk that
37:41
Speaker 2: there's been already a breach in the ceasefire. I want
37:44
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts though. You know this region better
37:47
Speaker 2: than anyone. You were raised a devout in Muslim so
37:50
Speaker 2: you understand what's at stake here better than anyone I
37:53
Speaker 2: can talk to on the program. Where does the region
37:57
Speaker 2: go now? Not just dear but particularly Iran, because we
38:02
Speaker 2: know their long term aim isn't just acquiring nuclear weapons.
38:07
Speaker 2: They want to caliphate. They want jihad not just togetinst
38:10
Speaker 2: Christians and Jews, but also against their switting Muslim neighbors.
38:15
Speaker 2: Give us your sense of things.
38:18
Speaker 5: So you know how in the West we have this
38:21
Speaker 5: cleavage where we say there are people on the left
38:23
Speaker 5: and there are people on the right. In that region
38:26
Speaker 5: in the Middle East, the prevailing cleavage is that there
38:30
Speaker 5: are people who want the caliphate back, the radical Islamists
38:33
Speaker 5: like this, like the Iotolahs, and there are people who
38:37
Speaker 5: wanted to move forward. They don't want a caliphate, they
38:40
Speaker 5: wanted to be modern nation. States like the United Arab Emirates,
38:44
Speaker 5: and maybe it looks as if, you know, the Sodi
38:46
Speaker 5: government may be willing also to let go of the
38:49
Speaker 5: promise of the caliphate and move on and become a
38:52
Speaker 5: modern nation state. So the reason why it's really important
38:56
Speaker 5: in my view to bring this particular regime down is
39:00
Speaker 5: because it's explicitly committed to exporting the Islamic Revolution beyond
39:06
Speaker 5: Iran's borders, and it explicitly says in their constitution that
39:10
Speaker 5: they have to use subversion, terrorism, civil wars, proselytization and
39:15
Speaker 5: other means. And these other means that is, this development
39:19
Speaker 5: of a nuclear bomb. And they regard America as a
39:22
Speaker 5: great Satan, Israel as little Satan, and the Sunni governments
39:27
Speaker 5: like the Saudis, the Jordanians, the Egyptians and so on,
39:30
Speaker 5: they regard them as Sunni apostates. And so this is
39:35
Speaker 5: this is a regime that is committed to repression at
39:38
Speaker 5: home and terror and expansion beyond its borders. And at
39:43
Speaker 5: this very moment, it is weak. And I think we
39:46
Speaker 5: have been doing for many decades. We've been sort of
39:49
Speaker 5: a half you know, a half done job. We would
39:53
Speaker 5: go into places and not really finish the job. And
39:55
Speaker 5: I think I'm of the viewpoint that to bring this
39:58
Speaker 5: regime down.
40:02
Speaker 2: Arm of the view when you got your foot on
40:04
Speaker 2: your opponent's throat, you keep it there. And I was
40:09
Speaker 2: a bit perturbed, I have to say, about how quickly
40:11
Speaker 2: the US President wanted to call the job done without
40:14
Speaker 2: any documented evidence, at least publicly, that all those nuclear
40:18
Speaker 2: sites and those assets have been completely wiped out. Give
40:21
Speaker 2: us a sense of what a caliphate really means, what
40:24
Speaker 2: a caliphate would look like iron particularly, Let's assume they
40:29
Speaker 2: keep the bomb or keep the bomb making capacity. If
40:33
Speaker 2: Iran and the mull has had the bomb, how would
40:36
Speaker 2: they use the bomb to deliver a caliphate.
40:40
Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, they would wipe Israel off the map.
40:43
Speaker 5: There was one of their leadership was as they were
40:46
Speaker 5: doing this and richment. It was about maybe seventeen years ago,
40:50
Speaker 5: and this leader, it may have been Estralla, he said, yes,
40:53
Speaker 5: we will use the bomb to wipe Israel off the map.
40:56
Speaker 5: And then he was confronted with the reality that Israel
40:59
Speaker 5: would be taliate and he said, well, there are only
41:02
Speaker 5: ten million of them, and there are eighty million of us,
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Speaker 5: meaning eighty million Muslims in the region and we will survive.
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Speaker 5: And so they are committed to this goal, which they
41:12
Speaker 5: think of as a divine mandate. And it is apocalyptic
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Speaker 5: and I think the Western mind has a very hard
41:19
Speaker 5: time understanding what that is like. But the people of
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Speaker 5: Iran who lived under this regime, they understand what it
41:27
Speaker 5: feels like, what it is like to live under Sharia
41:30
Speaker 5: law and under a caliphate. But the quest for the
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Speaker 5: caliphate never stops. It is to change your society, to
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Speaker 5: change your region, and then to change the whole world.
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Speaker 5: That is why I think it is delusional for anybody
41:44
Speaker 5: to think that, oh, well, the Ayatola is going to
41:47
Speaker 5: come passionately to his senses and that this is why
41:50
Speaker 5: is going to hold. No, it's not going to hold
41:52
Speaker 5: because it goes against their commitment.
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Speaker 2: So you've written a wonderful pace where you call the
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Speaker 2: action by Ronald Trump as a civilizational moment. And I
42:03
Speaker 2: think that in itself, that form of words stops you
42:07
Speaker 2: when you tracks for people to understand that's exactly what
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Speaker 2: we're looking at here. So regime change, is it possible?
42:16
Speaker 2: And if we have regime change in Iran, is this
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Speaker 2: threat weakened?
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Speaker 6: The regime.
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Speaker 5: Change is going to come from the Iranian people. They're
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Speaker 5: ready for change. I was just listening to and following
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Speaker 5: Reza Pahlavi, who is the son of the shaw who
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Speaker 5: was hosted in nineteen seventy nine by the Mullahs and
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Speaker 5: by radical Marxists. They're desperate for change. They just need
42:42
Speaker 5: a little bit of help from US. Iran is different
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Speaker 5: from Libya and Syria. It's an all ancient civilization and
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Speaker 5: the leadership in the diaspora of Iran and the people
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Speaker 5: of Iran who reject this regime. But I think the
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Speaker 5: last time I had the number eighty percent. They want
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Speaker 5: to rid themselves of this and all we need to
43:03
Speaker 5: do is help them. And I hope that that Donald
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Speaker 5: Trump and Bibbin Netanyahu that they rise to the occasion
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Speaker 5: and that they don't stop at this moment where we say, oh,
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Speaker 5: we've destroyed the facilities and so now we can move on.
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Speaker 5: We can't move on. They're going to regroup, They're going
43:21
Speaker 5: to use terrorism in the region and beyond, and they
43:23
Speaker 5: are determined to build this bomb, even if it takes
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Speaker 5: them another ten decades. They're absolutely determined, and that is
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Speaker 5: why they have to be completely removed. The people of
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Speaker 5: Iran want to do it. We just need to help
43:36
Speaker 5: the people and instead of giving throwing the Iotola lifeline.
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Speaker 2: This will be a continuing conversation. Ian hesse Ali, thank you.
43:46
Speaker 2: All right, after the break the Indigenous Flights scandal and
43:50
Speaker 2: the red tape drowning Australian businesses, all right, let's just
43:59
Speaker 2: jump in now with my Tuesday nine panel IPS and
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Speaker 2: your fellow and chief economist Adam Crichton skin used regular
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Speaker 2: Terry Barnes News today Adam, five thousand new regulations have
44:10
Speaker 2: been added by the Albanezy Governor. No excuses as to
44:16
Speaker 2: why business in this country is failing and insolvencies are
44:19
Speaker 2: through the roof. Red tape is what they are drowning in.
44:23
Speaker 2: And also to a friend of mine's posted something in
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Speaker 2: relation to the new Industrial Relations Legislation and the acts
44:30
Speaker 2: the abalgamated legislations out. It's two hundred and two thousand,
44:36
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirteen pages long, and when the ir
44:39
Speaker 2: AT first came out in nineteen o four it was
44:41
Speaker 2: thirty pages long. Poor old business. This is why we
44:44
Speaker 2: can't have productivity in this country.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, look certainly that's true. I mean we rightly talk
44:47
Speaker 10: about energy regulations all the time, but we don't talk
44:49
Speaker 10: enough about ion regulation anymore. I mean, it certainly throttles
44:53
Speaker 10: small businesses around the country. It's only the biggest businesses
44:56
Speaker 10: that can really deal with it. And just in terms
44:58
Speaker 10: of regulation in general, the increase in regulations, those five
45:02
Speaker 10: thousand new regulations under the Labor government, it's also the
45:05
Speaker 10: bureaucrats that enforce the regulations. They have grown by nineteen
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Speaker 10: percent just in the last three years. There's some one
45:12
Speaker 10: hundred and seven thousand federal bureaucrats now whose whole job
45:15
Speaker 10: is to enforce regulations and they alone cost fifteen billion
45:18
Speaker 10: dollars a year. That's according to recent IPA research. So
45:21
Speaker 10: it's a huge problem, whether it's energy, whether it's ir
45:24
Speaker 10: We really do need to pair it back.
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Speaker 6: Let's hope that happens.
45:26
Speaker 10: But I must say I'm not particularly confident with this government.
45:29
Speaker 2: We've got the Productivity love In coming up pretty shortly,
45:33
Speaker 2: and the former head of the Productivity Commission, the chair
45:36
Speaker 2: Michael Brennan, says we must fix Australia's broken GST. He
45:41
Speaker 2: says we should a genuine tax reform on the table.
45:44
Speaker 2: It'll come down though one and Terry for the states
45:47
Speaker 2: to actually advocate. They are the ones that all must agree.
45:50
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong on the old legislation. But
45:52
Speaker 2: they've all got to agree in order to change the
45:55
Speaker 2: mix of or the rate of the GST. They'll all
45:59
Speaker 2: benefit from it, but politically most of them are pretty guardless.
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Speaker 17: That's correct about all states are required to sign on
46:08
Speaker 17: to any change the GSC. And certainly I think well
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Speaker 17: tax report was on the table according the Treasurer.
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Speaker 6: But all he is concerned about, isn't he is.
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Speaker 17: Raising revenue, raising war revenue, beating the beats. He's not
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Speaker 17: actually talking about the other side. You know what the
46:24
Speaker 17: tax is paid for. There's no going to be any
46:26
Speaker 17: rationalization reform there really that the government has just once
46:30
Speaker 17: more of our money.
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Speaker 6: But when it comes to the GSC, it was broken
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Speaker 6: from the start, wasn't it, Because that was the.
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Speaker 17: Political compromise that John Howard and Peter Costello had to
46:38
Speaker 17: do way back go those thirty years ago now with
46:41
Speaker 17: the Australian Democrats to get it through.
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Speaker 6: But certainly I think we do have to look at
46:45
Speaker 6: what the tax mixed. I think indirect tax GSC is
46:49
Speaker 6: the sexual part of it.
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Speaker 17: But the way the States use the GSC and why
46:52
Speaker 17: it's carved it is very important.
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Speaker 2: To just a big jumping adam.
46:57
Speaker 10: Yes, So just a very brief point on the GST.
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Speaker 10: And it's often sold in Australia that it's a negative
47:02
Speaker 10: that the rate is so low, but if you look
47:03
Speaker 10: at Europe you'll see exactly what happens when they lift
47:05
Speaker 10: that rate. That gets lifted again and again and again,
47:07
Speaker 10: and you end up with a twenty percent GST. So
47:10
Speaker 10: I'd be very reluctant to recommend to lift the rate
47:12
Speaker 10: of the GST. It just gives government vastly more money
47:15
Speaker 10: if they have to do anything with it. I would
47:17
Speaker 10: broaden the base, but you know we have a spending problem,
47:20
Speaker 10: not a taxing problem.
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Speaker 2: All right, absolutely, just let me jump in there if
47:24
Speaker 2: I can. When you came back at them from overseas,
47:27
Speaker 2: you'd had that time lob seeing in the United States,
47:29
Speaker 2: you just said, what the heck has happened to my country?
47:31
Speaker 2: You've all gone woke, you've all gone off the deep
47:33
Speaker 2: end a whole lot of issues, and that the battle
47:37
Speaker 2: around race had really heightened in your time away. Have
47:41
Speaker 2: listened to this one in remote Queensland, you've got kids
47:44
Speaker 2: who are non Indigenous. It takes six days for them
47:47
Speaker 2: to get home from boarding schools because they're not allowed
47:49
Speaker 2: to get on any of these government funded Charter flights
47:52
Speaker 2: because they're for Indigenous children only. So the white fellas
47:56
Speaker 2: and the non indigenous kids they have to stay behind
47:59
Speaker 2: and go home on a bus, I presume, because there
48:03
Speaker 2: are seats going begging if they're not filled. Here's what
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Speaker 2: a pilot had to say.
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Speaker 9: Your two sons who bored at school in Charter's towers.
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Speaker 1: They're not allowed to get on the planes.
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Speaker 7: No, they're not.
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Speaker 4: Why of cause they don't fall under ab study.
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Speaker 9: So the flights are only available to ab study recipients.
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Speaker 6: Yes, Adam Crime.
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Speaker 10: It's just absolutely shocking. This would never fly in the US.
48:30
Speaker 10: And it's a mean, it's obviously reverse racism. It's blatant racism,
48:34
Speaker 10: and it shouldn't be happening. I mean, there's probably a
48:35
Speaker 10: strong case for these flights, but they should go to
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Speaker 10: all students, regardless of what the color of their skin is.
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Speaker 8: It.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it frankly shocks me that this is that
48:42
Speaker 10: this sort of stuff is still on the books. I
48:43
Speaker 10: actually thought that they got rid of ab study but
48:45
Speaker 10: it's you know, it's obviously not the case. Very disappointing.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to something you've written in the Financial Review, Terry.
48:51
Speaker 2: You describe the Victorian their rules as a political circus
48:54
Speaker 2: run by clowns. You've called them underperformers, time servers and
48:58
Speaker 2: extinct volcanoes. Tell us what you really think.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, I only gave me what eight hundred words,
49:05
Speaker 17: so I couldn't really sort of go up.
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Speaker 6: A long run, could I.
49:08
Speaker 17: Look, I was so cheesed off last week the settlement
49:12
Speaker 17: of the John Desnuto situation, the bailout.
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Speaker 6: That he was given by the Liberal Party. I just
49:17
Speaker 6: decided to let let.
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Speaker 17: Light I mean, effectively the Liberal Party down here Victoria.
49:21
Speaker 17: I could say the same probably about every state Liberal
49:24
Speaker 17: opposition around the country. Not fit for purpose. They've gotten
49:27
Speaker 17: to people who have been there for too long, non contributors,
49:31
Speaker 17: as I said, time servers and second rasers.
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Speaker 6: But more to the point, there's no there's no plan,
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Speaker 6: there's no alternative vision to actually sell Victorians. And if
49:41
Speaker 6: they don't get no fingers out, I'm mad at.
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Speaker 2: I'm out of som tery. I gotta leave it there,
49:46
Speaker 2: but we will. It'll be an evergreen topic. I am
49:49
Speaker 2: sure we will come back to it again. That's it
49:52
Speaker 2: for me everyone. Andrew's on leave, of course, sent up
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Speaker 2: next to wonderful Steve Price