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CIPHA SOUNDS - Chinese Take-Out NYC · Eating While Broke

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome you. Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we are outside
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Speaker 1: the podcast studio and into Brooklyn, New York, Okay, and
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Speaker 1: our special guest today is Cipher Sounds, the legendary Cipher
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Speaker 1: Sounds DJ radio radio radio host turned stand up comic.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of layers here that we gotta
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Speaker 1: call definitely layered, layered, and you pivoted a lot. So
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Speaker 1: I'm curious now on this episode, on on the New
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Speaker 1: York edition, we are not actually cooking in studio. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna do take out addition, So I want to know
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Speaker 1: what you ate when you were broke in New York
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Speaker 1: trying to survive. So what do you have us eating today? So? Um, Hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm very famous in New York. So uh, there was
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Speaker 1: a lot of things I ate while I was broke,
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Speaker 1: but this this year was my main go to. And
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Speaker 1: this is a New York staple. Now it sounds kind
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Speaker 1: of common. It's four chicken wings and French fries, which
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Speaker 1: you could get at any on any kid's menu in
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Speaker 1: any restaurant. Buffalo wild wings, red lobster, Applebee's, I mean,
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Speaker 1: but it's different. In New York when it comes from
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Speaker 1: the Chinese hood spot. I mean, this is not even
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Speaker 1: this is new. See the chicken wings and French fries
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Speaker 1: from the Chinese spot. It's something special about it. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why has nothing there's nothing Chinese about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there really isn't that. But for some reason, the Chinese
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Speaker 1: hold in the wall spots in New York City make
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Speaker 1: them a certain way. I don't know if they all
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Speaker 1: talk to each other and have the same recipe or
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Speaker 1: they get the chicken delivered from the same spot. But
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Speaker 1: some dude, some dudes have variations. You could do four
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Speaker 1: chicken wings and fried rice. Some do four chicken wings
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Speaker 1: and an egg roll. I personally like the French fry aspect.
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Speaker 1: So this was like my go to broke meal coming up.
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Speaker 1: And how much was this when you were coming up?
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Speaker 1: Four bucks? Four bucks, five bucks sometimes and you know
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Speaker 1: you can add another wing. You can ask for extra
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Speaker 1: duck sauce, which I don't know why people in the
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Speaker 1: hood are so rude when they ask for extra duck
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Speaker 1: saw It's a thing you never seen that, Yo, give
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Speaker 1: me more duck sauce. I'm like, hey, just as nicely,
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Speaker 1: he'll get they'll give you more. So you do your
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Speaker 1: French fries with dusaus, you do the chicken with you
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Speaker 1: do you do hot sauce, duck sauce and catch up,
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Speaker 1: and then you can you have like a tri dip,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean a little bit. That's why
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Speaker 1: they're so rude. Yeah, because give us the catch up
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Speaker 1: in the hot sauce. I don't see any duck. There
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Speaker 1: is no duck. Shouts, Well, you have to ask for
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Speaker 1: the duck shots. Did anyone ask who got this? Eagle?
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Speaker 1: Did not get this? I had? I had what do
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Speaker 1: you call it? The delivery service? Yeah, what is it? Delivery?
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Speaker 1: Rob Hobbs and those guys, and they delivered. Didn't have
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Speaker 1: that when I was broken. Yeah, well we were on
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Speaker 1: a tight schedule. So we're like order that and have
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Speaker 1: it delivered. It has to be delivered from a Chinese
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Speaker 1: guy on a bike from the restaurant. Yeah, because the guy,
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Speaker 1: the guy who delivered it was like Filipino or something,
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Speaker 1: and he came in a Honda Civic. He came in
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Speaker 1: a scooter. Scooter. Things have changed. So let's let's just
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Speaker 1: let's just try a wing so I can have this experience.
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Speaker 1: It from New York. Right, Yeah, I'm from New York,
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Speaker 1: but I live in l A. I've lived in l
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Speaker 1: A so long. But how you had this before? Right?
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Speaker 1: I've had this. I've had this. So you got to
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Speaker 1: pop off the wingy part. Sometimes you can get a
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Speaker 1: little meat meat and when you pop How did you
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Speaker 1: do it? I did it? I did it? Do you
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Speaker 1: do flats first or drum first? Let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: I'm a flats person. I don't. I don't you know
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Speaker 1: what I don't. I don't mess with the drum. When
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Speaker 1: I was younger, I was all about the drum. I
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Speaker 1: got older and I was all about the flat. What
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Speaker 1: is it about the flat that you like? Mhm? I
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Speaker 1: feel like the drum is always dryer. I'm gonna lie.
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Speaker 1: I haven't had this a long time. It tastes exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's hello, good yo. Let me yeah, this taste exactly.
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Speaker 1: How I remember, when was the last time you ate
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Speaker 1: this like this? Like straight up from a Chinese spot
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Speaker 1: like this? Oh man, I had to be like, but
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Speaker 1: you're were in two It had to be like two
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Speaker 1: thousand and four or something like that. Wow, that's a
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Speaker 1: long time. And I eat a lot of wings, so
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Speaker 1: funny because you look like you're a nostalgic land right now.
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Speaker 1: You're like, no, because you know, taste is one of them.
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Speaker 1: You know, taste and smell is one of the most
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Speaker 1: um sensory, provocative, uh mind melding type. You know, smell
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Speaker 1: is the most you remember the most when you smell
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Speaker 1: something like if a girl works past me with Chanel
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Speaker 1: number five, I instantly think of that bitch that broke
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Speaker 1: up with me. And I don't use the term bitch
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Speaker 1: in a derogatory sense towards females. It's more of a
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Speaker 1: hip hop colloquialism. Okay, well, what was going on in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four? Yeah, but like right before before
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Speaker 1: and then I want to know two thousand four what
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Speaker 1: the transition was? But oh no, well, so yeah I
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Speaker 1: was broken at ups and downs? Right. So six, I
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Speaker 1: get the call the DJ for a little kim, So
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Speaker 1: did you not know that I'm listening? I'm so I
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Speaker 1: get to call it trying to be eating. This is gross.
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Speaker 1: Don't do that, you know. I just I want to
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Speaker 1: tell you something people actually hate when we're smacking on
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Speaker 1: the show, and I try so hard not to. I'll
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Speaker 1: be like trying to quiet and every once while I
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Speaker 1: get an item where we're both like, see, that's the
6:38
Speaker 1: difference between podcasts nowadays. In radio, we used to have
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Speaker 1: this thing called a cough button. It's a button right
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Speaker 1: by the mic, like if you're about to cough or
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Speaker 1: do something you don't want people. It's almost like a
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Speaker 1: mute button and you hold it down. Podcasts don't have buttons,
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Speaker 1: no no, but we have at it, you know. But
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Speaker 1: we did everything in real time, but just smack quietly, smoothly.
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Speaker 1: So I have to call a DJ for a Little Kim.
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Speaker 1: So I go on the road with Little Kim and
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Speaker 1: Junior Mafia before her first album comes out. So we
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Speaker 1: were just doing promo shows and she was doing like
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Speaker 1: she didn't even have an album all yet. She had
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Speaker 1: like get money, get Money, remix players, anthem, a couple
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Speaker 1: of R and B for you know, features, and we
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Speaker 1: would do like, you know, we have to fill a
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Speaker 1: half hour or hour show, so we would do like
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Speaker 1: a Yo, here's a b I G. Here's your favorite
7:34
Speaker 1: Biggie songs and he's like your favorite West Coast. We
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Speaker 1: would just make a show out of it. And I
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Speaker 1: was getting three hundred dollars a week and then like
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Speaker 1: then her album comes out, then she's popping, popping, like
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Speaker 1: we was going everywhere and the album's doing really well,
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Speaker 1: and then her videos come out like first Came No
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Speaker 1: Time In and the song Crushed on You. So we
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Speaker 1: all popping and they still give me three hundred a week.
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Speaker 1: That was like the promo tour money. So then I said, yo,
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Speaker 1: I just you know, I want to stay doing this,
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Speaker 1: but it's not enough to survive. I was. I thought
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Speaker 1: I was gonna get more, and then I had to
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Speaker 1: quit and they hired some other guy. He sucks, so
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Speaker 1: they called me back. Then I was getting three hundred
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Speaker 1: a show, and I thought I was rich, oh, because
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Speaker 1: they went from three hundred a week. So then it's
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Speaker 1: like we go out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we might
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Speaker 1: do we might do a some kind of big show
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. Then we might do an after party. So
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Speaker 1: that's two shows in one night. So I'm getting three hundred.
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Speaker 1: So I'm coming home with like twelve or fifteen hundred
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Speaker 1: a week, and I thought I was rich, and that
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Speaker 1: was how were you at that time? Yeah, you're you're
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Speaker 1: really rich at that time. And my rent was seven
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars, so I'm making that in a week plus,
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Speaker 1: right was a week, I'm making seven rent, Like in
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Speaker 1: my mind my rent is done God, then the rest
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Speaker 1: of it is just stacking up and you know. And
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Speaker 1: then that stopped. So I was just deejaying. And then
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Speaker 1: I started interning that on the radio for funk Master
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Speaker 1: Flex and he wouldn't pay me. He didn't pay me.
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Speaker 1: He paid me in knowledge and opportunity and food he
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Speaker 1: would pay for, like the food, like I order food
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Speaker 1: and you order yourself something, so like I had to
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Speaker 1: order him food and I would order like something like this.
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Speaker 1: I would order whatever. He always ate crazy, so I
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Speaker 1: would order extra because he never checked the receipt. So
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Speaker 1: I ordered something for right now, and then something I
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Speaker 1: could have for breakfast. So I'm like, okay, what will
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Speaker 1: if I hide this in my book bag? Won't won't
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Speaker 1: take gross in the morning, and that's it. And then
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Speaker 1: then I was back to broke, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: And then but I learned how to make money. Flex
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Speaker 1: wouldn't pay me, but he taught me how to make money.
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Speaker 1: So as I mean, it's still to this day, I
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Speaker 1: use Flex tactics. Now, where was the transition where you
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Speaker 1: you ended up not eating like what happened two four,
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Speaker 1: where it was like no more no. I still was
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Speaker 1: kind of broken two thousand four, but not eating this.
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Speaker 1: Um So, I'm on the radio. Let's see. I started
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Speaker 1: in nineties seven as an intern, and then I just
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Speaker 1: started DJing a lot more on DJ and every night,
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Speaker 1: sometimes opening for flex, sometimes getting my own gigs. And
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Speaker 1: I don't really I don't spend a lot. Like I
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Speaker 1: bought one chain it was fake. I bought a platinum chain,
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Speaker 1: but it was fake. Like I know this lady that
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Speaker 1: makes Julian. She goes, no, just get um well coded
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Speaker 1: and we'll put cubics of Coonian. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's do that. And then and then here's
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Speaker 1: the crazy ship. You can say whatever you want. Can
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Speaker 1: I see the effort? Thanks? Can't you say all that?
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Speaker 1: Um So, she's telling me a lot of famous rappers
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Speaker 1: at the time, we're getting fake chained. But it was
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Speaker 1: like they had real chains, but they would wear the
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Speaker 1: fake ones out in case they got robbed. Yeah, yeah
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Speaker 1: that makes sense, but you believe, you know they can
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Speaker 1: afford the real change. Where would they wear the real chains?
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Speaker 1: Do in their house? I guess depending on where they
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Speaker 1: were going, Like, if you're going to the tunnel, that's
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Speaker 1: where DJ. The tunnel nightclub chains were getting robbed on
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Speaker 1: the regular, so don't wear your real one to the tunnel.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, so I got one chain, I said. So
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Speaker 1: I wasn't really a flashy guy like that. So I
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Speaker 1: stacked all my money, stacked it, stacked the stacked the stack.
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Speaker 1: So I was DJ and a lot um. Then Flex
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Speaker 1: would get me certain well, you know, we would host
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Speaker 1: somebody's mixtape and we get like four brand he gave
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Speaker 1: me one, you know, we host like uh certain events,
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Speaker 1: and then like he got on MTV and he would like,
12:08
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta pay sight for the drive or whatever.
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Speaker 1: So I was making like a little bit of money
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Speaker 1: here now, but I didn't wasn't spending a lot. So
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Speaker 1: I started stacking boom boom boom and then um. And
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Speaker 1: then when I got my own show on the radio,
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Speaker 1: that's when I started getting like popular, like getting real
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Speaker 1: good gigs like that, gigs that pay two thousand, three thousand,
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Speaker 1: five thousand. DJ was fun back then. Yeah, yeah, you're
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Speaker 1: making a lot of money. You were in heavy rotation.
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Speaker 1: How's your ego around that time? Oh, my ego got
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Speaker 1: checked so early. My boy Ari, he saved my life
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Speaker 1: this when I had to change. I took the chain
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Speaker 1: off after this night and I listen. I was in
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Speaker 1: the tunnel around Puffy, jay Z, Fat Joe, Big, Pat, Norri, DMX,
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Speaker 1: all these people and so like, I thought, oh, I'm
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Speaker 1: in the game. Ame I gotta get a chain. I
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Speaker 1: didn't really. I don't even like jewelry. I don't even
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Speaker 1: wear a wedding ring. Like I don't wear I don't
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Speaker 1: just like I have so many nice watches, I don't
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Speaker 1: even wear them. And I was in a tongue I'm
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Speaker 1: opening up. I have to be at the tunnel at
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock because it was it was the first five
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Speaker 1: girls free, so I had to be at the tone
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Speaker 1: of nine o'clock, the tone and get popping until twelve o'clock.
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Speaker 1: But I'm there eight thirty bringing in my crates. And
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Speaker 1: I said something to my boy like halfway I'm the ship,
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Speaker 1: like yo, just yo, yo, grab that one or some ship.
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Speaker 1: And he he's a little guy too. He's from Philly.
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Speaker 1: He's my one of my best friends to this day.
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Speaker 1: He grabbed my shirt and he said, Yo, don't you
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Speaker 1: ever ever talk to me like that again. He's like,
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Speaker 1: we've been with you. We're all in this together. We've
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Speaker 1: been with you since day one. Okay, you got on first,
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Speaker 1: but don't talk to us like you bigger than us
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Speaker 1: or anything. And I've it made it changed my life, Like, oh,
14:03
Speaker 1: should I start to get gas? I mean, like that's
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Speaker 1: where Cifer don't get gas comes from that. I started
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Speaker 1: to get gas because I was like starting to be
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Speaker 1: known and it really and it made me realize it
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it matter, It does not matter. My friends
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Speaker 1: are what matters, you know. And I took the chain
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Speaker 1: off that day. What am I doing? Why am I
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Speaker 1: wearing this stupid chain? Yeah? It wasn't even like you
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Speaker 1: were into it. No, it was stupid. I was playing
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Speaker 1: like a role. But I was young, I was one whatever.
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Speaker 1: So have you ever had to face that ego beast
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Speaker 1: ever sinsor where you like? Good? I It might pop
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Speaker 1: up here and there, but I check it quick. I
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Speaker 1: check it with um. You know. I try to, you know,
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Speaker 1: put myself in reality, like this is a fantastic opportunity
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Speaker 1: that I have opportunities many but also it's all it
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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, it's not you know it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: You know, how you raise your family or how you
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Speaker 1: look at the world is what matters. But that don't mean.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean I take away the fun. I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun with a lot of dope people,
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Speaker 1: but I just don't let it get to me like that.
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Speaker 1: And I watched, you know, I've watched so many people
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Speaker 1: come in and nobody's blow up come back down, like
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Speaker 1: you know, you try to warn them, but they're not
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Speaker 1: you know, they're not your people like that, But I
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Speaker 1: see the come rich back to broke. Who who are you?
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Speaker 1: Are you open to naming like names of like who
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Speaker 1: you've personally seen like up and down the ladder? I uh,
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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly. I just seen it so much.
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Speaker 1: Um I'll tell you Nikki though Nicki Minaj is one
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Speaker 1: of them that Nicki Minaj to me, she's not broke
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Speaker 1: at by any means, But Nicki Minaj to me is
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Speaker 1: the perfect example of who you see on the way
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Speaker 1: up is what you see on the way down. And
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Speaker 1: she treated a lot of people like ship and then
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Speaker 1: you know, now she's not nowhere it is how does
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Speaker 1: she was? Yeah? You know what I mean? And I
16:08
Speaker 1: say that I don't want to say, like, I got
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Speaker 1: beef with her, even though I do, but you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have be for her. She for
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Speaker 1: some reason we got I'm not be for nobody. My
16:19
Speaker 1: name is clean in the streets. And she's the one
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Speaker 1: person that like just just some foul ship to me.
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Speaker 1: And I was just like and then, you know, look
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Speaker 1: at people like Nori. He was up down. Now he's
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Speaker 1: all the way up. He's all the way up, all
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Speaker 1: the way. When I say he's all the way he's
16:40
Speaker 1: all but he's still I spoke to him today for
16:43
Speaker 1: like two hours. He still calls me. I would say this,
16:45
Speaker 1: Nori was my first rapper friend, and Aliyah was my
16:49
Speaker 1: first R and B friend, You know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: He still calls me to this day and he's the
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Speaker 1: same Nori, but he's all the way up. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: like he hasn't changed. Even if you see how much
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Speaker 1: he's accomplished, always feel like people that are able to
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Speaker 1: especially in the industry, because it's so easy to burner
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Speaker 1: bridge with ego, like for him to be able to
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Speaker 1: accomplish what he's accomplished, he's clearly clearly a good friend
17:15
Speaker 1: to people, right, but That's what I'm saying. The thing
17:16
Speaker 1: about Nori is I watched him when he was just
17:21
Speaker 1: you know, Nori had a couple of records out, and
17:24
Speaker 1: he everybody would invite everyone to a studio, no matter
17:26
Speaker 1: where you were. From first time I've ever met Two
17:29
Speaker 1: Chains when he was Titty Boy, it was with Nori.
17:31
Speaker 1: First time I've ever met UM three six Mafia was
17:35
Speaker 1: with Nori. Every first time I met David Banner, they
17:38
Speaker 1: would just come to his studio or his session that
17:40
Speaker 1: he would always show them love. And now he's big
17:43
Speaker 1: and they're big, and it's not like he just met
17:46
Speaker 1: them to get him on his show. He's been knowing them.
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Speaker 1: He's been showing him love in New York. So now
17:51
Speaker 1: it's coming back, you know, it's paying back. Yeah. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't let the ego. UM, I don't
17:58
Speaker 1: let the ego get me. And then I fall into
18:01
Speaker 1: situations where like, damn, if I was a little more um,
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Speaker 1: not egotistical, but if I was a little more loud
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Speaker 1: about my accomplishments, I might get more things at this time,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't shout my accomplishments a lot, where other
18:17
Speaker 1: people shout them all day long. Yeah. So I mean
18:21
Speaker 1: people like you're known as like a legend, like you know,
18:24
Speaker 1: you're on that legendary, like you have your own brand.
18:28
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's a lot of respect people.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff I got jerked on, missed
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Speaker 1: out on, or missed the opportunity, but I didn't. That's
18:41
Speaker 1: weird because I didn't miss because I was doing another opportunity.
18:44
Speaker 1: I just wish I would have, Like, as as I
18:46
Speaker 1: looked back, I was like, I should have did that
18:48
Speaker 1: instead of that. You know. I did an interview once
18:52
Speaker 1: with Earthquake and he was talking about like, yeah, he's
18:56
Speaker 1: the best, let me he's got story. But one of
19:01
Speaker 1: the things he had said was like I think I
19:03
Speaker 1: had said something along the lines of like what was
19:05
Speaker 1: that moment that you made? And he had said something
19:07
Speaker 1: about like just like it was, there's never a time
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Speaker 1: where you make. It's just more like, you know, did
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Speaker 1: you cash in on the opportunity, like the type of deal.
19:16
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you're still moving and shaking, Like
19:18
Speaker 1: even though we're in the beginning of your story, there's
19:20
Speaker 1: there's so much to unpack with you, you know, because
19:23
Speaker 1: now you're just a huge stand up comic now. You know,
19:27
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say huge, but but you're making your waves.
19:30
Speaker 1: I'm like a hundred enjoy the journey type of person.
19:38
Speaker 1: That's why I'm able to do all this stuff because
19:40
Speaker 1: I like does struggle. I like the the climb. You know,
19:47
Speaker 1: some people only want to get to the top. I'm
19:49
Speaker 1: enjoying every night. I enjoy it. Yeah, I I am
19:54
Speaker 1: a person that like loves the hero's journey, the hero story,
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Speaker 1: hence eating wall broke. I for these. Tell me how
20:02
Speaker 1: it was. Speaking of that, you you name dropped a
20:05
Speaker 1: couple of people, Like, so I'll name drop please. Let's
20:08
Speaker 1: start with the bay dropping, Like, what's up? Were you
20:10
Speaker 1: and ali Leah? I love Aliyah? Um, i'mally at the radios,
20:15
Speaker 1: I mean the rappers I met was at seven or
20:18
Speaker 1: the people in the industry. I mean at that time,
20:22
Speaker 1: how nanty seven was on fire and everyone had to
20:25
Speaker 1: come there. So that's where I met a lot of people.
20:27
Speaker 1: But Aliyah was super, super cool. I met her at
20:30
Speaker 1: the radio station, and I also we really got cool.
20:32
Speaker 1: And funk Master Flex was doing some kind of MTV
20:36
Speaker 1: Beach House. He was DJ and the beach House one
20:40
Speaker 1: of them MTV things, and she was there, and there's
20:43
Speaker 1: a famous picture where her and Mark Ronson, She's wearing
20:46
Speaker 1: the hill figure. I'm in that picture, but I got
20:51
Speaker 1: cut off the one that the picture that blew up.
20:54
Speaker 1: It was just her Mark Ronson, I'm in that picture. Um.
20:58
Speaker 1: She was super cool. She used to call me like
21:00
Speaker 1: she saw like I was, like she was. This was
21:03
Speaker 1: like right before one in a million drop, so like
21:07
Speaker 1: right before she really really blew up. And I don't
21:11
Speaker 1: know if she got my numbers somehow. Maybe I don't
21:13
Speaker 1: even know. I don't remember, but she would call me
21:15
Speaker 1: and check in on me, like I saw that. I was, like,
21:18
Speaker 1: you know, intern at the radio station, getting flexus food
21:23
Speaker 1: and setting up his records, and she would call, how's
21:25
Speaker 1: it going, How you doing, You're doing this? You're doing?
21:27
Speaker 1: Do you feel good? Like you're not stressed or nothing? Like?
21:30
Speaker 1: He used to make me blush like when she would call,
21:33
Speaker 1: Did you know now? Was that that was? I have
21:36
Speaker 1: to mention this thing? But was that after the R
21:41
Speaker 1: Kelly like anything? No? No, that was after because that
21:47
Speaker 1: was the R Kelly situation was her first album and
21:50
Speaker 1: that was all you know? Did you kind of know
21:53
Speaker 1: about it at the time, not more than we all
21:56
Speaker 1: did more than anybody. Like when that was in the news,
21:59
Speaker 1: I mean I heard a lot of ship about our Kelly,
22:01
Speaker 1: but we didn't know, like like it was always like
22:07
Speaker 1: it's always like there's a lot of people like, oh no,
22:11
Speaker 1: he'd be, you know, be careful over there. He'd be
22:13
Speaker 1: with the young ones like like that. Yeah, I don't know.
22:16
Speaker 1: I'm a kid too, Like I don't know what this means.
22:18
Speaker 1: You know, you guys were around the same Ageah, yeah,
22:24
Speaker 1: she might have been a year older or a year
22:26
Speaker 1: younger like Kim. Like me and Kim at the same age.
22:28
Speaker 1: So like when I was on tour with little Kim,
22:31
Speaker 1: she's a superstar, but we're the same age. Like when
22:34
Speaker 1: we go back to the hotel, she was like a
22:36
Speaker 1: twenty year old, you know, but she just had this
22:39
Speaker 1: whole big persona. If you had to put three of
22:44
Speaker 1: these ladies in like a order of great I'm gonna
22:47
Speaker 1: you already know who I'm gonna ask about, party Ya
22:51
Speaker 1: and Nikki We're gonna leave at Lauren Hills would trump
22:55
Speaker 1: all of them. But like greatest, Like if you had
22:58
Speaker 1: to choose like greatest in order, like who would be
23:01
Speaker 1: your number one? I need I hate these lists. I
23:05
Speaker 1: need more specifics, like in Wraps, Niki Nikki's the Nikki
23:11
Speaker 1: Rice the dopest bars. Really yeah, I know she writes
23:15
Speaker 1: really good, But I think Cardi right corn Oh, let's see,
23:24
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I don't want to take nothing
23:27
Speaker 1: away from her. I respect her so much. Hold up
23:33
Speaker 1: what I mean? Maybe some maybe some, but not there's
23:40
Speaker 1: there's well maybe she just raps well on the beat,
23:46
Speaker 1: incredibly delivered. But here's the thing, I know, all of
23:51
Speaker 1: it in the industry knows who writes for her. She delivered.
23:56
Speaker 1: She performs all your favorite arm by singers. Nine even
24:00
Speaker 1: cent of them don't write their own songs. It's just
24:02
Speaker 1: it's not even a thing like in hip hop. It's like, oh,
24:05
Speaker 1: he's got a ghostwriter, he ain't writing his ship. But
24:08
Speaker 1: and nobody can't already right, like the writer's right because
24:10
Speaker 1: the writer and the performer is not the same thing.
24:13
Speaker 1: So that's how I look at Cardi. But she kills
24:16
Speaker 1: the performance. She kills. Let me tell you, nobody gets
24:19
Speaker 1: me more. Not only does she kill the performance of
24:23
Speaker 1: the rap, she kills it in in her life, Like
24:27
Speaker 1: you can see she is who she is. Yeah, yeah,
24:30
Speaker 1: My only problem with her is that I sometimes I
24:33
Speaker 1: feel like she's just using hip hop as a step.
24:38
Speaker 1: That's what makes me upset, like to get to movies
24:42
Speaker 1: or TV or the next thing. Like I don't like
24:44
Speaker 1: when people use music because it's easy to put out
24:47
Speaker 1: a record to get to the next thing. I don't
24:49
Speaker 1: know if that's true. That's just how I felt, because
24:52
Speaker 1: she doesn't like if you don't write, then do you
24:54
Speaker 1: really want to rap? It's different with hip hop? You know. Well,
24:58
Speaker 1: I think I think heard one day rap wasn't something
25:02
Speaker 1: that CARTI was like easy to acclimate to think. I
25:05
Speaker 1: heard it was a little bit of work and I
25:06
Speaker 1: don't even think she really wanted to do it right.
25:08
Speaker 1: But but but someone had pulled her arm. But do
25:11
Speaker 1: you think that's Nikki's anger? Sometimes because Nikki always seems
25:16
Speaker 1: very to me, she comes off very defensive, and I
25:18
Speaker 1: think it's because she's writing and a lot of people aren't. Yeah,
25:22
Speaker 1: it could be part of it, you know, it probably
25:24
Speaker 1: goes a lot deeper. Like I I feel bad for
25:28
Speaker 1: what I said earlierou Nikki, like I wish she had
25:30
Speaker 1: Like I don't know her well enough. I don't know her.
25:32
Speaker 1: I know I had one really big problem with her
25:35
Speaker 1: and I to this day it bothers me. But like
25:39
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big advocate of mental health, and
25:42
Speaker 1: some people don't go get the help. You know, you
25:44
Speaker 1: can see when you get the help that I've gotten,
25:48
Speaker 1: you see and other people like, oh, you I need this,
25:53
Speaker 1: you need a little of that, And then you can't
25:55
Speaker 1: tell them that, especially if you don't know them. You know,
25:58
Speaker 1: I said my therapist. My therapist is giving me months
26:02
Speaker 1: free of how many people have sent to her months free,
26:06
Speaker 1: Like she's like, you ain't gotta pace so many you're
26:10
Speaker 1: advocate for for for therapy. Clear. Yeah. Yeah, so that's
26:15
Speaker 1: kind of just I just want to get back on No. No,
26:19
Speaker 1: that's me because every time you mentioned something like, oh wait,
26:23
Speaker 1: let's stop um now. As far as performance and groundbreaking
26:29
Speaker 1: is Kim, Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree with that everybody,
26:33
Speaker 1: and one way or another, all these females are somewhat
26:37
Speaker 1: trying to not all not all, not like a rhapsody,
26:40
Speaker 1: but anybody who's sexy on stage in hip hop, you're
26:44
Speaker 1: getting a piece of that from Kim. Do you know
27:07
Speaker 1: who I actually kind of wish would have went further
27:10
Speaker 1: is a mail liked her like I didn't. I mean
27:17
Speaker 1: I was young, I was very young, but I did.
27:20
Speaker 1: I did like her. Yeah, but some of these females
27:24
Speaker 1: like not females or you know what. This show's making
27:28
Speaker 1: me think too much. I hate it. I'm looking inside
27:31
Speaker 1: too much because I'm catching myself saying these females, but
27:34
Speaker 1: that would never that. Men do it too. I've seen
27:37
Speaker 1: a lot of artists like get a little deal, their
27:42
Speaker 1: first deal, and like just while out, like this girl flexed,
27:47
Speaker 1: this girl that flex has signed to him? If that Michelle.
27:52
Speaker 1: I remember she came to the office with like her
27:53
Speaker 1: McDonald's receipts. I was like, Yo, you gotta give me
27:58
Speaker 1: the money back for this McDonald's. I was like, you can't.
28:00
Speaker 1: You're bringing McDonald's receipts. That's crazy, Like, but was she struggling?
28:09
Speaker 1: You gotta do there was money given. That doesn't mean anything.
28:14
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't ask another man paid
28:20
Speaker 1: for my McDonald's. But what was it? A girl was
28:22
Speaker 1: a female though? Right, That's okay. I'm just I mean,
28:26
Speaker 1: I hate to be that hit the what it was
28:28
Speaker 1: it called hypocrite whatever, it is, double standard, But I
28:34
Speaker 1: can see why a man wouldn't do it. But I
28:35
Speaker 1: could also see why a woman would. Why how? How?
28:39
Speaker 1: Because you know it's like, first of all, she was struggling.
28:43
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put myself in her. She struggling, But
28:45
Speaker 1: she got money. You gotta check to get the deal. Yeah,
28:50
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't handle it right. Well, maybe I said
28:54
Speaker 1: all meals covered by. But let's get back on you
29:00
Speaker 1: for a second, and maybe we could pick two more
29:03
Speaker 1: celebrities before, because I just want to talk about three
29:06
Speaker 1: more celebrities. I want to talk about Ja. I want
29:08
Speaker 1: to talk about I heard you you had did some
29:11
Speaker 1: time in A and R. I want to talk about that.
29:15
Speaker 1: And then I gotta I gotta talk about some comedy.
29:18
Speaker 1: These fries are cold. Is there an air frier here? No?
29:21
Speaker 1: Do you have an air frier, Michael? This guy's a microwave.
29:25
Speaker 1: There is a microwave this Who is this person? He
29:28
Speaker 1: said microwave. You can't put rise in a microwave. Let
29:33
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. What's your name? But Cam?
29:37
Speaker 1: Did you got a red lobster? You ever get cheddar
29:40
Speaker 1: Bay biscuits? Do you ever bring him home? How you
29:42
Speaker 1: heat him up the next morning? If you say microwave,
29:45
Speaker 1: won't kick you out of the studio so fast. You
29:48
Speaker 1: put him in an right, what kind of people are
29:53
Speaker 1: you doing business with? You know what, he's young, he's young.
29:55
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You getting cheddar bay soup?
29:59
Speaker 1: If you put them in the micro wave young, you
30:02
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you had a fried when
30:06
Speaker 1: you were broke back in the day. Let me tell you,
30:10
Speaker 1: eagle who put them onto the air fraight? I was
30:13
Speaker 1: me right, give me my coup. Looking at it right now,
30:16
Speaker 1: I was like, you need to get one of these
30:18
Speaker 1: air fryers, like what I had to do to eat
30:22
Speaker 1: broke back in the day. Air fry Nowadays, Oh my god,
30:26
Speaker 1: you can make anything in the air it's the best. Yeah,
30:28
Speaker 1: I agree. So let's talk about these names. Jay Z,
30:33
Speaker 1: you gotta I'm a huge jay Z fan. I'm damn well,
30:35
Speaker 1: like I have a I'm just giving perspective. I'm married
30:40
Speaker 1: now and if you walk into my house, the center
30:43
Speaker 1: of my house, like in the living room, there is
30:45
Speaker 1: like a six foot painting of jay Z sitting. It's
30:51
Speaker 1: no one in the world has his painting. By the way,
30:53
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the day that I have the opportunity.
30:55
Speaker 1: I haven't signed this only painting, only painting in the world. Okay,
31:00
Speaker 1: I love him sitting with his feet kicked up in
31:02
Speaker 1: the projects with a cooler picture. Yes, I had it
31:06
Speaker 1: sent to my mom. I had her custom make this
31:08
Speaker 1: painting for me. Yes, I haven't. And my husband to
31:13
Speaker 1: this day says, we gotta move that and put a
31:16
Speaker 1: family portrait. And I'm like, yeah, it's not going where.
31:18
Speaker 1: He's like, you can put it, you can put it
31:20
Speaker 1: in the It's not going anyway. But it's literally yeah anyways,
31:30
Speaker 1: but I promise you this is a fight that goes
31:33
Speaker 1: out of my house like all the time. But if
31:35
Speaker 1: you walk in my house, it's an original painting of
31:37
Speaker 1: a rare picture. It was Respect magazine that actually published
31:41
Speaker 1: the picture, and I knew the publisher and I was like,
31:45
Speaker 1: I need that picture. And then uh, does the painting
31:49
Speaker 1: look like the picture or did the artist take some
31:51
Speaker 1: artistic liberties? It's my mother who did it, and brick
31:55
Speaker 1: by brick bro your mother did your mother? Artists? Yeah?
31:58
Speaker 1: You artist? So I have the only one. I assure
32:02
Speaker 1: you I have the only one because I know no
32:04
Speaker 1: one in the world has done that. So now that
32:08
Speaker 1: I would love that, really, he would love it. Well,
32:10
Speaker 1: if you got the plugs, you know, make it happen.
32:14
Speaker 1: I assure you I have the only one that's fire. Yes, yes,
32:18
Speaker 1: I'll send you a picture. So with that being said,
32:22
Speaker 1: please tell me you got a good hope story with
32:24
Speaker 1: a good hope. I storry I got a million stories
32:30
Speaker 1: with hope, but like I don't nothing nothing like that
32:33
Speaker 1: sticks out, like nothing funny. Oh he's super funny. I
32:36
Speaker 1: feel like he's super sarcastic, super s Like. Then let
32:40
Speaker 1: me tell you about Hope, I know whole on a
32:43
Speaker 1: such a personal level. Um, wait, we want on a
32:48
Speaker 1: personal level. Yeah, I mean I've never been to his house,
32:53
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like I worked for him two
32:55
Speaker 1: different times. Um, and then the last time, I was
33:00
Speaker 1: a rock nation as an artist, so he kind of
33:01
Speaker 1: managed me, but I was like also working there so
33:05
Speaker 1: like I used to. So he started a label called
33:07
Speaker 1: rock Loft Familiar. Um, when he was president of Deaf Jam,
33:12
Speaker 1: he started rock Loft Familiar. And when you hear you've
33:15
Speaker 1: heard of O g One, right, O g One is
33:18
Speaker 1: the guy who the other guy who owned rock Loft
33:19
Speaker 1: Familiar with him. So O g One is one of
33:21
Speaker 1: my mentors as well. So O g One and j
33:25
Speaker 1: other people who owned forty forty. So when I worked
33:28
Speaker 1: for rock Loft, familiar with Wan. Wan didn't like to
33:32
Speaker 1: be up at Deaf Jam. He's like, I don't like
33:33
Speaker 1: being around all these music industry people. So he would
33:36
Speaker 1: only go there for meetings, and our office would be
33:38
Speaker 1: just in his office at forty. So every day after work,
33:43
Speaker 1: j would usually go to forty forty, so we would
33:47
Speaker 1: always be in the club. That's how I know Dez,
33:50
Speaker 1: who's O g One's wife, who is now the lady
33:53
Speaker 1: who runs rock Nation, but like she was like the
33:57
Speaker 1: not the manager, but one of the owners of forty forty,
33:59
Speaker 1: but she also man, so like these are my like,
34:02
Speaker 1: this is like my family. So Jay would come in
34:05
Speaker 1: there and it was like all walls down, Jay, right now,
34:11
Speaker 1: James from Brooklyn, And you know you're from Brooklyn, right,
34:14
Speaker 1: you know how you animals are like you people from Brooklyn.
34:22
Speaker 1: You know you got that wall, that wall that comes up.
34:26
Speaker 1: So I would see non wall hole all the time.
34:30
Speaker 1: And then if me O g one and Jay in
34:33
Speaker 1: a in his office or one office and we order
34:37
Speaker 1: food chilling talking, this is when like I'll sell exactly
34:41
Speaker 1: what this was. This is when Jay did the remix
34:45
Speaker 1: to the Kanye song Diamonds Are Forever. So he had
34:51
Speaker 1: just done it, and he was playing it in the
34:52
Speaker 1: studio in the office over and over and and he
34:58
Speaker 1: just kept playing it, playing and playing in it, and
35:01
Speaker 1: like all he had was his verse. So it goes,
35:04
Speaker 1: I got it from here, Yeah, damn, And I wonder
35:06
Speaker 1: why he started it like that. But then when you
35:09
Speaker 1: hear the song, you got Kanye's verse, and then Jake
35:12
Speaker 1: cuts him off right, So he's playing that over and
35:16
Speaker 1: over and over. Then t I comes in randomly, they
35:21
Speaker 1: all start smoking cigars, and then Puffy comes in and
35:24
Speaker 1: they all start smoking cigars, and I'm like, I'm around
35:27
Speaker 1: my idols, I'm around rich people. I'm just ear hustling everything.
35:32
Speaker 1: They're like two more people come in that he didn't
35:35
Speaker 1: really know. They were like maybe Tis business associates or
35:39
Speaker 1: somebody like they look white or European as suits. And
35:43
Speaker 1: then I see the jay Z wall go up. Trew
35:48
Speaker 1: super friendly, super nice and and friendly and um cordial.
35:53
Speaker 1: But all the laughing and joking around he was doing
35:57
Speaker 1: just two minutes ago stopped and he's and and I
36:01
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's he don't know them. I didn't
36:03
Speaker 1: know who knows who. I don't know, he don't know them,
36:07
Speaker 1: and he and the wall went up like fast, and
36:10
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so he knows how to turn
36:13
Speaker 1: it on and turn it off whenever. But my favorite
36:16
Speaker 1: ship is my favorite one. We're in rock Nation and
36:20
Speaker 1: I was working. I was helping him with title when
36:23
Speaker 1: it first started, and I don't know what. I think
36:27
Speaker 1: they were just giving me a check, to be honest
36:28
Speaker 1: with you, like we love sife, give him a check.
36:31
Speaker 1: So so I was helping him with title, but nobody
36:33
Speaker 1: was even listening to me. I was just there. So
36:36
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the with I was on the one floor.
36:40
Speaker 1: Hose office was on the next law up and it
36:43
Speaker 1: was no stairs. You had to take the elevator. Somebody
36:46
Speaker 1: the receptionist desk looking for an envelope to FedEx something whatever.
36:50
Speaker 1: He gets off the elevator, he walks into the reception area.
36:54
Speaker 1: I look up, I see him. I give my head
36:58
Speaker 1: nod and I looked back down. Keep doing what I'm doing.
37:00
Speaker 1: He walks past me, walks halfway down the hallway and goes, nah.
37:06
Speaker 1: I look over. He goes, I'm still jay Z get
37:11
Speaker 1: excited when you see me and I was like, yo,
37:14
Speaker 1: come on, and he walks back over to me. He's like,
37:16
Speaker 1: you know what the fox is wrong with you? Wrote?
37:18
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes, I'll
37:21
Speaker 1: still jay z. I go we're at work, like you
37:26
Speaker 1: want me to fan out of rapper fan out when
37:28
Speaker 1: we're at work, and he got He's like, nah man,
37:31
Speaker 1: nah nah nah, I'm just that walks away. I'm still Hove.
37:35
Speaker 1: I'm whole. I'm h to the oh. I was dying laughing, yo,
37:40
Speaker 1: because he walked past me like an employee, like what's
37:44
Speaker 1: and then called himself like nah no, no, no, no,
37:46
Speaker 1: that was too little of excitement, because you can't I
37:52
Speaker 1: don't know if what they tell employees at work there,
37:54
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they tell them don't get crazy when
37:56
Speaker 1: Hove comes around. I've heard stories. I mean, I'm definitely
37:59
Speaker 1: not trying to take him, but I heard stories of
38:02
Speaker 1: like people like you know, like they said that like
38:05
Speaker 1: you can't take pictures of them. And I heard like
38:07
Speaker 1: someone had took a picture of him in the hallway
38:09
Speaker 1: and they got fired and then like no phones were
38:13
Speaker 1: allowed or some crazy stuff. I believe that you gotta
38:16
Speaker 1: earn it you gotta earn it. Yeah, I've heard some
38:19
Speaker 1: stories because there's some just high level people there in
38:24
Speaker 1: the corporate in the in the corporation, but um, there's
38:28
Speaker 1: also like just people who might not even really be
38:32
Speaker 1: into hip hop that like work there. Yeah. Yeah, So,
38:36
Speaker 1: and the turnover rate was high, you know a lot
38:38
Speaker 1: of people. The company was growing so fast, people just
38:41
Speaker 1: getting hired. And I'm sure they had to tell him, like,
38:43
Speaker 1: I can't fan out over this guy, but it's hard.
38:47
Speaker 1: He got that aura, Yeah, he got that aura. So yeah,
38:54
Speaker 1: I'm in London for Carnival, which is like the London
38:58
Speaker 1: version of Labor Day Parade in Brooklyn, and um, I'm
39:04
Speaker 1: DJ for a little Kim the only doing like three songs.
39:07
Speaker 1: And then Jay was there with Dame and they said
39:10
Speaker 1: that d J Clark can't got stuck at customs. They
39:12
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him in. So he's like, Kim, can we
39:14
Speaker 1: use your DJ? So I d J for jay Z
39:19
Speaker 1: and he went before us because Kim was bigger than
39:22
Speaker 1: him at the time, and all he had, all he
39:24
Speaker 1: wanted to do is ain't no and dead press and
39:28
Speaker 1: so remember this, it's crazy to just imagine that Kim
39:31
Speaker 1: was bigger than j it's crazy but bigger, like yeah yeah, yeah,
39:35
Speaker 1: no no, but sometimes it's crazy looking back now. And
39:39
Speaker 1: then like Jake comes in, that's that's biggest friend. They're
39:42
Speaker 1: all like super excited to see him. But he wasn't
39:45
Speaker 1: the biggest rapper. He was just biggest friend that was
39:47
Speaker 1: coming up. And and so there's a West Indian day
39:52
Speaker 1: Uh festival, So you know a lot of West Indian
39:55
Speaker 1: a lot of reggae records on forty five. So on
39:58
Speaker 1: a turntable, it's third D three and it's forty five.
40:01
Speaker 1: So when you play forty five records, you have to
40:03
Speaker 1: click the button and that makes the turntable go faster.
40:07
Speaker 1: So then I go to DJ for J but it's
40:09
Speaker 1: like yo, yo, yo, DJ got stuck with you. DJ
40:11
Speaker 1: for Us, we're going on right now. So I grabbed
40:13
Speaker 1: my record. I run up there and they're like yo, yo,
40:16
Speaker 1: we're ready, were ready, go go go play ain't no first.
40:19
Speaker 1: So I go up there and it's still on forty five,
40:22
Speaker 1: so I go, I just throw the record on. It's
40:24
Speaker 1: like doom doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom,
40:27
Speaker 1: and you know he starts the verse starts right off
40:30
Speaker 1: the top. So as soon as I'm scratching, he gets
40:33
Speaker 1: ready to do the verse, and it's mad fast, and
40:35
Speaker 1: he gives me this look like you just ruined my life.
40:40
Speaker 1: You ruined my life, you ruined my career. And it
40:43
Speaker 1: was the craziest look ever. And I was like sorry.
40:46
Speaker 1: And so to this day he brings that up. To
40:51
Speaker 1: this day, he'll bring you you remember you ruined my
40:54
Speaker 1: show in London. I'm like, I didn't ruin it. We
40:57
Speaker 1: just it was ten seconds. It's like it's brought it back. Okay,
41:01
Speaker 1: so let's let's bring it to like when you were
41:03
Speaker 1: a A and R. So tell us a little bit
41:06
Speaker 1: about that experience, which one like, uh, let's just talk
41:10
Speaker 1: about Drake or like that I heard did you do
41:15
Speaker 1: did you have anything to do with Drake? Oh no,
41:17
Speaker 1: I was supposed to tell us about it. I failed
41:20
Speaker 1: miserably tell us about it. Tell us about it. Um,
41:25
Speaker 1: I have a joke that I do that I couldn't
41:27
Speaker 1: sign Drake and I didn't do it. But that's not
41:29
Speaker 1: as the joke is like makes me look like a loser,
41:31
Speaker 1: but really it's not. So so Toronto is like my
41:35
Speaker 1: second home. So I was in Toronto every year for
41:38
Speaker 1: for Caravan and which is the other West Indian festival.
41:41
Speaker 1: But I used to be in Toronto all the time
41:42
Speaker 1: my card and now will fish out like one of
41:43
Speaker 1: my best friends. And I got introduced to Drake through
41:50
Speaker 1: who's the guy that runs um the Ovio thing? Um
41:56
Speaker 1: what's his name? Oliver Listen? I don't know. He runs
42:02
Speaker 1: like he runs like the Ovo clothing all that stuff.
42:05
Speaker 1: So he I was up there and they were like, yo, safe,
42:08
Speaker 1: um this is when I I was. It was oh seven,
42:12
Speaker 1: so I was I just I think I just left. Yeah,
42:16
Speaker 1: I just left Rock at Familiar because I got a
42:20
Speaker 1: job as a VG on MTV, and Hove said to me, yo,
42:25
Speaker 1: you should take that job. You can always be an
42:28
Speaker 1: A and R. You're not always gonna be the young
42:30
Speaker 1: hot DJ that gets on MTV. So I was like, okay,
42:33
Speaker 1: you're right. So I took it and then uh so
42:37
Speaker 1: Drake uh people, they gave me his CD and if
42:41
Speaker 1: you look it up, it's the CD where he got
42:43
Speaker 1: the peak code on with the with the leaves with
42:46
Speaker 1: the fall leaves behind them. You know I'm talking about
42:49
Speaker 1: right if you google, I forgot what it's called. But
42:51
Speaker 1: he got the peak code on and the autumn leaves
42:55
Speaker 1: in the background, and then I was like I looked
42:57
Speaker 1: at I was like, what the what the this is? R?
42:59
Speaker 1: And B what the this? And then um and then
43:03
Speaker 1: so he go here's the stories. He met me at
43:06
Speaker 1: this place called Frands Diner, and he went to Toronto
43:08
Speaker 1: those friends dinner and he was like, yo, I'm trying
43:11
Speaker 1: to get a deal. But he was mad young, like
43:15
Speaker 1: super young, and I just told him. I was like, yo,
43:19
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not looking for artists right now because
43:22
Speaker 1: I just got on MTV, like I'm I'm trying to
43:25
Speaker 1: do my thing, you know, I'm not trying to sign
43:27
Speaker 1: anyone right now. And he was like, no, I'm telling you,
43:30
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that, And I was like, I believe you,
43:32
Speaker 1: but I just I'm sorry, it's just not I was
43:35
Speaker 1: starting to feel because I had gotten this whole Rhianna
43:37
Speaker 1: situation where basically not taken away from me, and I
43:41
Speaker 1: felt like I was like, I'm not I'm gonna focus
43:43
Speaker 1: on me. Also, I was managing the group Need the Sky,
43:47
Speaker 1: and they they were annoying me because like I was
43:52
Speaker 1: doing more work than them, like I'm showing up early
43:55
Speaker 1: I'm setting up to turn. I was DJ for them,
43:57
Speaker 1: I was managing them. Sometimes it would be late. Sometimes
43:59
Speaker 1: it would playing about the bread and I'm like, yo,
44:02
Speaker 1: any bread, any bread you get for performing is worked
44:06
Speaker 1: it like we gotta get to it. And so that
44:09
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. So I was like, I'm not looking
44:11
Speaker 1: for artists right now. I want to just focus on me.
44:13
Speaker 1: I wish I could wrap, because if I could wrap,
44:15
Speaker 1: I would outwork all of you. And that was my concept.
44:18
Speaker 1: I mean that was my idea, um my mind frame.
44:22
Speaker 1: So they're like a year and a half later, maybe
44:24
Speaker 1: not that long, maybe like a year, Like he starts
44:26
Speaker 1: getting the buzz like all the college girls like, oh, Drake,
44:30
Speaker 1: Drake Drake. I was like, I know, I know someone
44:32
Speaker 1: named Drake is that that that can't be the same kid.
44:36
Speaker 1: And it was the same kid and then but I
44:39
Speaker 1: was still cool with him. I'm still cool with him
44:41
Speaker 1: to this day. My old manager runs over up. Mr
44:44
Speaker 1: Morgan runs it like but like you know the famous
44:49
Speaker 1: freestyle when he came up to flex and he had
44:51
Speaker 1: the BlackBerry. There's like a YouTube video where everybody made
44:55
Speaker 1: fun of him because he was reading off the black
44:56
Speaker 1: berry that I'm the one who brought him there. I
45:00
Speaker 1: brought him to Like, I was telling Flexio, this is
45:01
Speaker 1: this kid, he's really dope. He's from Toronto. Flexis that
45:05
Speaker 1: you love Toronto everything And I said, no, I'm telling you,
45:09
Speaker 1: he's buzzing, like you know, we should get him up.
45:12
Speaker 1: But he came up. But I didn't sign him. But
45:14
Speaker 1: I could have signed, Like Rihana was responsible for helping
45:17
Speaker 1: get a deal, so you helped get her. Oh, I
45:20
Speaker 1: got her the deal, Like I got her the deal. Yeah,
45:26
Speaker 1: and then um and then um, I almost got Damien
45:32
Speaker 1: Marley a deal, but um, it was like very close.
45:38
Speaker 1: But then the Marley family was like, because he was
45:40
Speaker 1: trying to sign in the Rock Left Familiar. Rock Left
45:42
Speaker 1: Familiar was like jay Z. It was called like a
45:44
Speaker 1: world label, so we were trying to do Caribbean. We
45:47
Speaker 1: were trying to do Spanish all that stuff, and the
45:51
Speaker 1: Marley family was like, we don't sign to rappers. They
45:56
Speaker 1: like they shut us down. Okay, Cube, Mr jay Z,
46:01
Speaker 1: but we don't wear Marley Gonna signed to rappers. Man,
46:05
Speaker 1: it was nasty. So where did comedy come into mix? Oh?
46:30
Speaker 1: Because I didn't sign Drake so I got fired. Now
46:36
Speaker 1: comedy came, um, my name dropping too much. We love it. No, no, no,
46:44
Speaker 1: we love this guy. Yeh. So okay, there's a lot
46:51
Speaker 1: of different So basically I'm no, no, no. There's a
46:55
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why comedy came into play. First of all,
46:58
Speaker 1: when I got my own show on the radio. My
47:00
Speaker 1: first big show is called Cipher Saturdays. It was, you know,
47:05
Speaker 1: difference between a jock and a DJ, like a DJ
47:07
Speaker 1: mix his records and a job just talks like Andrew
47:10
Speaker 1: Martinez is a job. So they gave me the show
47:13
Speaker 1: on Saturday nine am to two pm. They wanted me
47:16
Speaker 1: to be a job from nine am to noon and
47:18
Speaker 1: then mix on Saturday at noon. Never been done before. No,
47:23
Speaker 1: but you gotta remember everything we here nowadays is so common.
47:26
Speaker 1: This was the first time ever there was a DJ
47:29
Speaker 1: on the radio at noon on a Saturday. Because I
47:34
Speaker 1: was like, yo, let me mix. My boss was like, yo,
47:36
Speaker 1: you could be a jock. I was like, I don't
47:37
Speaker 1: want to be a job. I just want to be
47:38
Speaker 1: a DJ. She's like, I let you DJ, but you
47:41
Speaker 1: gotta be a job because she saw something in me
47:42
Speaker 1: that I didn't see at the time, that I would
47:44
Speaker 1: be a good radio personality. I'm thinking noon on a Saturday.
47:50
Speaker 1: Everyone's in their car, watching their car, doing laundry, grocery shopping,
47:55
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like it was like
47:57
Speaker 1: untapped market as far as like mixing like party vibes.
48:03
Speaker 1: So so anyway, when I got that show, when I
48:05
Speaker 1: was doing the talking part, I would be doing pranks
48:08
Speaker 1: because nobody's there on Saturday. There's no bosses in the building.
48:11
Speaker 1: That was wilding out I was doing. I would call
48:13
Speaker 1: one Chinese restaurant and then put him on conference code
48:16
Speaker 1: with another Chinese restaurant and and even start yelling at
48:19
Speaker 1: each uh, doing like that all the time, and then um,
48:25
Speaker 1: y'all listen, if you want to have fun, try that
48:29
Speaker 1: just and then go can't place the order, and then
48:32
Speaker 1: that's what I gotta say, and just let it run. Um.
48:37
Speaker 1: So I was doing these little pranks and everybody would
48:39
Speaker 1: say to me, you're funny. You know you're funny on
48:41
Speaker 1: the radio, like I'd be DJ and at night and
48:43
Speaker 1: girls would calling to me like, yeah, yo, you're man funny,
48:45
Speaker 1: you man funny, So like the hustler brain and me
48:48
Speaker 1: was like, why do you keep saying funny? Like what
48:50
Speaker 1: is this funny thing? The hustler brain nowhere in there
48:55
Speaker 1: that I think I was a comedian. I was just like,
48:58
Speaker 1: people keep saying, I'm funny, How can I make money
49:02
Speaker 1: with funny? So I started producing a comedy show and
49:06
Speaker 1: had it packed out because I was on the radio,
49:08
Speaker 1: so I could, you know what I mean, the same
49:11
Speaker 1: way I could had every DJ in the world was
49:14
Speaker 1: doing a nightclub, not one DJ was doing a comedy show.
49:18
Speaker 1: So I was like, I wonder if I could get
49:19
Speaker 1: people to come to a comedy show and then from there.
49:23
Speaker 1: But also before that, I was a DJ on The
49:25
Speaker 1: Chappelle Show. So Dave we used to warm up the
49:29
Speaker 1: crowd before we started taping, and I used to do
49:32
Speaker 1: some DJ yo the Little John skit came from me,
49:35
Speaker 1: you know, Little John? Um. Dave Chappelle's Little John was like,
49:39
Speaker 1: what yeah, that came from me. I had a Little
49:43
Speaker 1: John record and we would be working with the audience
49:46
Speaker 1: and and Dave would say something. I would just scratch
49:49
Speaker 1: in what yeah yeah, what yeah? And he was like, yo, yo, yo,
49:54
Speaker 1: why why do you why do you keep doing like yo?
49:55
Speaker 1: That's the thing people say when they hear a Little John.
49:58
Speaker 1: And then like a couple of weeks he shot up
50:01
Speaker 1: a little John sketch sketch. So anyway, so Dave was like, Yo,
50:05
Speaker 1: you're funny. You should do stand up And I was like,
50:08
Speaker 1: this is two thousand two three, How the fun what
50:12
Speaker 1: I do? Stand up? What are you talking about? Like
50:14
Speaker 1: you're an idiot? But this Dave Chappelle, he knew. And
50:17
Speaker 1: then another time I was on when I was on MTV,
50:20
Speaker 1: both Will Smith and Jamie Fox said, I was funny.
50:24
Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot of funny keep popping up. I'm
50:27
Speaker 1: just being me. I'm funny with my friends on a
50:30
Speaker 1: road trip. Yeah. Yeah, well you sound like you're a
50:32
Speaker 1: lot of fun to be. Oh no, no, I'm not
50:34
Speaker 1: fun at all. No, no, no, i'm funny. I am
50:38
Speaker 1: not fun. I am boring. So looking at Eagle, is
50:44
Speaker 1: that I'm out? He was like, yeah, man out him Eagle,
50:52
Speaker 1: Eagle with favorite Favery funny comedian him and all the
50:55
Speaker 1: other younger comics. After the show, they're chilling, They're talking
50:59
Speaker 1: about to go somewhere drink that. I'm in my car.
51:02
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm watching fucking Colombo in my car on
51:07
Speaker 1: the way home. Um. But like Jamie Fox like, I'm
51:10
Speaker 1: just being a VJ. And MTV and they're like, yeah,
51:13
Speaker 1: you're funny. Bro was like really, why why are you
51:16
Speaker 1: saying that? And Will Smith was like yo, he pulled.
51:19
Speaker 1: He pulled me aside, goes, do you do comedy? I
51:21
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm a DJ. Heees you should do comedy.
51:25
Speaker 1: I was like wow, okay. So then they always funneled
51:28
Speaker 1: around in my head and I started doing that show,
51:31
Speaker 1: and then I started taking it seriously okay, And then
51:34
Speaker 1: when did you actually step behind the mic and like
51:36
Speaker 1: become standard? So I did. I would say I did
51:40
Speaker 1: a year of my shows at this place called Comics
51:43
Speaker 1: it's not there anymore, fourteenth to nine, and it was
51:46
Speaker 1: called it Don't Get Gas Comedy Series. Everybody came to
51:50
Speaker 1: my show, all rappers, I mean, Drake was there, a
51:53
Speaker 1: little Wayne Rick Ross um t I. Everybody came to
51:58
Speaker 1: my show then, Kevin Hart, my Gaps, Tracy Morgan. Like
52:02
Speaker 1: my show used to be, oh, I don't know nothing
52:04
Speaker 1: about sports, but they used to be crazy NBA players
52:07
Speaker 1: and football players in there, like my boy, my boys
52:10
Speaker 1: be like, that's John Starks. Just say something about dunking
52:14
Speaker 1: on Jordan's. I was like, oh right, I gotta say that.
52:16
Speaker 1: Go yeah, you're dun Dune Jordan, and the crowd was crazy.
52:19
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the funk I'm saying, but
52:22
Speaker 1: um so yeah. So then that became like this celebrity,
52:25
Speaker 1: but the celebrities would all come. And then after a
52:31
Speaker 1: year of that, I was just I was just going
52:33
Speaker 1: on stage saying hi and then introducing the comedian. And
52:37
Speaker 1: then I tried one little joke here, one little joke there.
52:40
Speaker 1: It started to work. Oh that's funny, like da da da.
52:44
Speaker 1: And then like a year of that, uh, some comics
52:48
Speaker 1: step to me. Uh, Talent Capone, Will Sylvans, a couple
52:54
Speaker 1: of those guys, Mark Vieira, they cornered me and they go, okay,
52:57
Speaker 1: we need to talk to you. I was like, okay,
53:00
Speaker 1: what the fuck And they're like, you seem to be
53:03
Speaker 1: really trying to take this ship seriously, because when radio
53:07
Speaker 1: people do a comedy show, they like kind of steal
53:12
Speaker 1: jokes and try to just run off their radio fame
53:16
Speaker 1: or whatever fame. Like He's like, they were like, you
53:18
Speaker 1: you seem to really like this. I paid well. It
53:22
Speaker 1: was a Tuesday night, pat everybody wanted to come to
53:25
Speaker 1: my show, and I paid well. I didn't care about
53:27
Speaker 1: making like I would pay a lot, and they were like,
53:31
Speaker 1: if you want to take this seriously, you need to
53:33
Speaker 1: know this doesn't count. I was like why, They're like
53:37
Speaker 1: this your fans, these are your audience. They know you're ready.
53:40
Speaker 1: You gotta go where no one knows you because you're
53:44
Speaker 1: so They're like, come to like this little hole in
53:47
Speaker 1: the wall or this little bar and queens or whatever.
53:51
Speaker 1: And the next year was just bombings, horrifically bombing, just disgusting.
54:00
Speaker 1: But I kept going back. So they were like you
54:03
Speaker 1: you want to be a comedian, so you gotta like
54:05
Speaker 1: now really and music and then so then then I
54:13
Speaker 1: then I was on the morning show on Hot and
54:19
Speaker 1: like a comic, like somebody like let's say Kevin Hart
54:22
Speaker 1: like this before he was big. But he was like, yo,
54:24
Speaker 1: you want to come to Albany with us this weekend,
54:27
Speaker 1: but like we're leaving on Thursday. We gotta show Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
54:31
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't. I'm on the radio. And
54:35
Speaker 1: this is where when I had the chance to go
54:38
Speaker 1: beat Rihanna's DJ, I said no because I was on
54:42
Speaker 1: the radio, and I always regretted it. So then I
54:45
Speaker 1: so then I started regretting when comics would ask me
54:49
Speaker 1: to go open for them and I couldn't go. So
54:52
Speaker 1: that's when I started saying, oh, I need to make
54:54
Speaker 1: a choice. Che made the choice. Yeah, the last two
54:58
Speaker 1: years of Hot Night Severn were horrible for me. Horrible.
55:01
Speaker 1: So where can your fans or people that are interested
55:06
Speaker 1: in seeing your stand up or find you get tickets
55:10
Speaker 1: to your show? Like? Where can they all catch you at? Um? Well,
55:14
Speaker 1: if I'm in New York, I'm a mostly at the
55:16
Speaker 1: Comedy Seller. But do you do Instagram and all that stuff? Yeah,
55:23
Speaker 1: it's just my name as Cipher sounds c I p
55:26
Speaker 1: h A sounds um like. I always say the Comedy Seller.
55:30
Speaker 1: But then also the Comedy Seller sells out every show,
55:33
Speaker 1: so I don't even invite people there because we can't
55:35
Speaker 1: get them in. Yeah, but you know people, you know people,
55:40
Speaker 1: people are gonna want to So I started posting clips
55:44
Speaker 1: on my Instagram about a year ago, And the only
55:47
Speaker 1: reason why I do it is because my my hip
55:51
Speaker 1: hop fans did not necessarily follow me to comedy, which
55:55
Speaker 1: pissed me off, and I had a long talk with
55:58
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. He was like, no, it's not
55:59
Speaker 1: that they didn't follow you. You didn't tell them to
56:02
Speaker 1: follow you like they're supposed to just do it, you know,
56:05
Speaker 1: like you gotta tell them. So I started posting clips
56:09
Speaker 1: and my only reason I post clips is for all
56:11
Speaker 1: my old fans to see I do this now. Yeah,
56:14
Speaker 1: that's my goal, and it's working. You know. I'm not
56:17
Speaker 1: trying to blow up off TikTok and Instagram yet right now.
56:22
Speaker 1: I just want I already have a fan base right now.
56:24
Speaker 1: You're just like trying to make the official announcement that
56:27
Speaker 1: there's a transition and happening. Guys, you want to keep
56:31
Speaker 1: it with Cipher Sounds and everything he's doing comedy wise,
56:35
Speaker 1: because he's officially in the comedy circuit. And I'm seven
56:38
Speaker 1: years late and announcing this. So thank you so so
56:42
Speaker 1: it's officially been announced that Cipher Sounds, yes, exited. But also,
56:47
Speaker 1: like I said before, I don't care. I'm enjoying the journey.
56:50
Speaker 1: Don't come whatever, come check them out because I know
56:53
Speaker 1: I will be. Um, thank you so much. I didn't
56:58
Speaker 1: get to any stories yet, all right, thank you so much.
57:04
Speaker 1: Has got a microwave form these French fries. You thank
57:10
Speaker 1: you so much for coming all the way down to Brooklyn,
57:12
Speaker 1: because I know you absolutely look at you hating on Brooklyn.
57:17
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep the energy for j Listen. Last thing,
57:20
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I know you gotta go. We gotta leave.
57:23
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charlomagne. Two things. One b K is the
57:30
Speaker 1: stupidest thing in the world because it's two syllables brook Lynton,
57:37
Speaker 1: so it should be b L. I don't know how
57:40
Speaker 1: it became b K. It's so the name of where it.
57:44
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but look at eagles face. His wheels are
57:47
Speaker 1: turning like listen, I don't know why you Brooklyn people.
57:51
Speaker 1: Where do you live in brook Clinton? That makes no sense.
57:55
Speaker 1: It's Brooklyn. Also, you Brooklyn people live on island. I
58:01
Speaker 1: know you hate to admit it. I know you don't
58:03
Speaker 1: want to admit it. You don't want to look at you.
58:05
Speaker 1: Your hurt right now, you're upset. Look at the map.
58:09
Speaker 1: There's a place called Manhattan, and to the right of
58:12
Speaker 1: that on the map there's a place called Long Island.
58:14
Speaker 1: The first place you see on that island it's Brooklyn.
58:19
Speaker 1: But you live on Long Island. I'm sorry. I know
58:23
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys are listened to the show, but
58:26
Speaker 1: we have a we have a small audience here and
58:28
Speaker 1: if you see Ego Ego wits in the house. If
58:31
Speaker 1: you see his face, his jaws, like, I might not
58:35
Speaker 1: listen if if you never hear from me again, I
58:38
Speaker 1: was murdered somewhere in Brooklyn. Microware and French fried dudes. Well,
58:48
Speaker 1: I just want to say, it's a pleasure having you.
58:49
Speaker 1: We may have to do if I come back to
58:52
Speaker 1: New York. We may just have to do another another
58:54
Speaker 1: run of this because I feel like you have a
58:57
Speaker 1: body of art of stories. Can we do it in Manhatan?
59:00
Speaker 1: We could, We could, We could make an exception to
59:02
Speaker 1: do it in Manhattan. Hopefully my budget will be bigger.
59:06
Speaker 1: We're doing. I'll do it. Deal, deal, Now what we
59:10
Speaker 1: gotta do to get this jay Z painting signed? Make
59:14
Speaker 1: it happen. For visiting Long Island and coming to be it.
59:21
Speaker 1: We really appreciate eating these wings. Everybody you can catch
59:25
Speaker 1: Cipher sounds. Follow him on Instagram. I'll be checking him
59:28
Speaker 1: out before I leave town. I'm gonna try and figure
59:30
Speaker 1: out where you're as. I'll go to comedy seller tonight,
59:34
Speaker 1: comedy seller. All right, it's good, it's any month. Brow