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Vikings beat the Lions, Solid Beer, and the Resurgence of JJ McCarthy | TSH Ep. 112 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
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  Speaker 1: the School hob. I'm Evan, I'm Austin. We're just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we do. And heck yes, the Vikings beat the
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  Speaker 2: Lions this week. It was a wonderful game to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Heck yeah. And we didn't have to spin the wheel
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  Speaker 1: of pursple punishments. And we had a really really good
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  Speaker 1: beer from Big Grove.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Big Grove. Of course, we spent some time
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Lions game, and.
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  Speaker 1: We looked ahead to the next several games, most specifically
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  Speaker 1: the next game against the Ravens.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I might have to watch that one back. I
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  Speaker 2: think we're gonna be on a plane during that game.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're interested in listening to us for this
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  Speaker 2: longer episode, go ahead and grab a cold one and
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  Speaker 2: join us for episode one twelve of the Skull Time
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  Speaker 1: Great news on all fronts. We don't have to spin
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  Speaker 1: the wheel of pur Purple Punishments.
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  Speaker 2: Because we were deliri in the preseason to think, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this Vikings team is gonna they're gonna pull it out
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  Speaker 2: against the Lions, and what do you know?
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  Speaker 1: And they sure did, they sure did. And not only that,
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  Speaker 1: but we also get to show off the fruits of
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  Speaker 1: our labor from last week's Purple punishment. These are the
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  Speaker 1: eBay orders. Yeah, we made that. We were forced to
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  Speaker 1: make because we spun the wheel and we had to
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  Speaker 1: win an eBay auction by the margin of victory. So
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  Speaker 1: we added that twist this year. Last year we did it.
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  Speaker 1: I want a cool like one dollar Jordan Addison rookie card,
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  Speaker 1: but these chains are what we decided on. They were
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  Speaker 1: both twenty seven plus dollars. Yours was a little more
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  Speaker 1: than mine. Yeah, but tell us about yours and then
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about mine really quick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we got them both on eBay. The reason
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  Speaker 2: being is we lost the Purple Punishments from the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: Chargers game and then lo and behold, the Chargers beat
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings by twenty six seven points. So we had
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  Speaker 2: to go on eBay and I think the name of
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  Speaker 2: it was win an eBay auction, but I think we
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  Speaker 2: both did buy it. Now is the nature of the
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  Speaker 2: punishment is being upheld here, so we bought it. Now
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  Speaker 2: I am wearing. Basically, it's like the NFL licensed like
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  Speaker 2: rally chain that they sell. It's this big, gaudy chain.
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  Speaker 2: If you're only listening, you can probably hear the plastic
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  Speaker 2: chain links and then mine. The feature emblem on this
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  Speaker 2: chain is the helmet horn, the Viking's horn. It's foam.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. My five year old son saw it today
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  Speaker 2: and he was amazed. Immediately he grabbed it and was like,
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  Speaker 2: can can this be mine? And I was like, well
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  Speaker 2: not today, buddy, but maybe after this episode I'll let
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  Speaker 2: him have it. He's already got a Vikings foam finger
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  Speaker 2: from when we went to the Lion's Loss last year.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's mine. Yours is a little bit cooler.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yours, I think came out. They started making
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  Speaker 1: those when like the Kirko chains thing happened a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years.
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  Speaker 2: Every team though, has these like like foam chain I
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  Speaker 2: think I kind of think the Vikings started it, or
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  Speaker 2: at least that era of.
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  Speaker 1: Vikings started it with the Kirko chains, because he he
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  Speaker 1: was like viral, going on every airplane ride after a game,
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  Speaker 1: you know, putting on all these chains, which was comical
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  Speaker 1: in the moment. My mine's pretty cool though. So mine's
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  Speaker 1: a custom three D printed chain, and I got it
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  Speaker 1: from this store j A. C B. A Dash three
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  Speaker 1: six one four, And I know it's right, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's on eBay, so again J A C B A
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  Speaker 1: Dash three six one four. And he doesn't just make
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  Speaker 1: Viking stuff. There's a Bear's chain, a Broncos chain, a
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys chain. Don't know why you'd want a Packers chain,
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  Speaker 1: but there's one on there. And he's got some other
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  Speaker 1: custom stuff too. He has quite a few NFL chains
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  Speaker 1: and then a couple other things that aren't NFL related
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  Speaker 1: at all. But this is super cool. It's high quality.
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  Speaker 1: I have. I have three D printed stuff in my
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  Speaker 1: life before. The coasters that we set our beers on
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  Speaker 1: in every episode are three D printed by one that
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  Speaker 1: I had at a school that I worked at, so
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  Speaker 1: I kind of know what good quality is. And immediately
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  Speaker 1: when I pulled this out of the bag that it
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  Speaker 1: was shipped in, I'm like, wow, that's impressive. So would
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  Speaker 1: highly recommend go to that store. Jacba Dash three six
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  Speaker 1: one four not a sponsor yet.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if he'd make like a custom skull Hop chain.
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  Speaker 2: I'd wear an Apple Street and that'd be pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: I will.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna message him on eBay though, I'm gonna send
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  Speaker 1: him this episode and let him know that we wore
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  Speaker 1: his chain and talked about him in our episode.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: I think we both did pretty well. I'm probably not
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  Speaker 2: gonna wear this.
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  Speaker 1: Chain right now already, but I'll wear it for this eppisode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm wearing mine the whole episode, and then maybe my
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  Speaker 2: son will reap the If.
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  Speaker 1: I get back to another game anytime soon, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: bring this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this definitely seems like the certain kind of vibe,
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  Speaker 2: like you need some kind of fun sunglasses and then
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  Speaker 2: a big old hat or something like that on top
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  Speaker 2: of your jersey. Or I picture those guys in the
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  Speaker 2: purple suit suit with the fedoras, is that what they wear?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe wearing one of these too, So yeah, it's a punishment,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, what we can live it up.
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  Speaker 1: The punishment was paying thirty dollars, but in return we
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  Speaker 1: got some pretty awesome Viking stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I'm really glad that we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to be punished this week because we chose to believe
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  Speaker 2: in our team.
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  Speaker 1: Let's drink some beer to celebrate that.
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  Speaker 2: This might be one of the longest we've gone in
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  Speaker 2: an episode before opening up a beer.
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  Speaker 1: Thank goodness, because I've had a long day and I'm
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  Speaker 1: ready for a couple of beers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, this one is one that I have never
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  Speaker 2: seen before. I think you said you hadn't seen it before.
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  Speaker 1: Now pretand new to me.
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  Speaker 2: This is from one of our favorite breweries, the Skull
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  Speaker 2: Hop Big Grove Brewery out of i Was City. But
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  Speaker 2: I think aren't they originally out of like Solin.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I know they have a tabrim in Solin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Soleen One was their original spot.
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  Speaker 2: But Iowa City is where they do most, if not.
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  Speaker 1: All, of their brewings. It says Iowa City on the can.
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  Speaker 2: But either way, this is what I haven't seen before.
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  Speaker 2: It must be relatively new. I'm gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: Sova Sova, I think is how you pronounce it. S
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  Speaker 1: o Va.
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  Speaker 2: It says it's a check style amber lagger, and then
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  Speaker 2: on the can they've written a classic check amber lagger,
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  Speaker 2: brewed with time hontern techniques that make it crisp, balance
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  Speaker 2: and quietly bold, like its namesake, which means owl. Sova
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  Speaker 2: is watchful, wise and made to be savored under starry sky.
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  Speaker 2: So little little artsy fartsy there, but hey, I have
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  Speaker 2: yet to be disappointed by a big grove beer. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: I've tried has at least been good, if not fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really excited for this one.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're watching, look at that poor I'm proud
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Sec of por had I watch it, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: a reel of some sort on some platform, I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember which one. It was about pouring beer and they
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  Speaker 1: said that this is actually the preferred ways to pour
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  Speaker 1: a beer. It gets a lot of the carbonation out
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  Speaker 1: so it doesn't sit in your gut.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, there's a ninety five percent chance
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  Speaker 2: I sent to you whatever video you're you're referencing.
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  Speaker 1: Might you might be right?
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  Speaker 2: Because it is it is good. You don't want no carbonation,
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  Speaker 2: but you also you need a nice, good, heavy poor
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  Speaker 2: for most beers, and yeah, we both had a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good poor.
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  Speaker 1: Also, not to delay the drinking of this beer anymore,
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  Speaker 1: but two things that I was thinking of. Number One,
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  Speaker 1: you just keep getting beer that I like, because you've
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  Speaker 1: got this beer again tonight, and I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 1: squarely in my wheelhouse of beer that I like. And
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  Speaker 1: what an appropriate time of year to drink it? In
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  Speaker 1: the early kind of late fall, early winter.
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  Speaker 2: It's not winter yet, but no, don't even you don't
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 1: Early November's way too early. And then the other thing
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking of, we haven't said this in a
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  Speaker 1: very long time on the show, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. Again, we only drink Iowa beer on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Of course, we have other beers when we're
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  Speaker 1: not sitting at this table. But Big Grove is an
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  Speaker 1: Iowa brewery. It's one of the bigger ones in Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: But we try beers from all over the state of Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're into Iowa beer, that's part of what
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  Speaker 1: we do around here. That's just our thing.
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  Speaker 2: And if you are an Iowa brewery, we like beer
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  Speaker 2: and we like to talk good things about beer. Big
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  Speaker 2: Grove in the past this one we purchased ourselves, but
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  Speaker 2: in the past they've given us some beer on a
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  Speaker 2: couple separate occasions, I think, And most Iowa breweries are fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: This state is We're really lucky to have not just
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  Speaker 2: one or two, but a plethora, a menagerie or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: We that one time on an episode of A ton
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  Speaker 2: of Great Brewery. So with all that, I'm ready to
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  Speaker 2: dive into this skull.
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  Speaker 1: The Iowa beer and scull to an a vikings Win
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  Speaker 1: skull almost mess that up. I like that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if I was to explain this to
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's never heard of it, I just say it's
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  Speaker 2: a solid amber lagger, Like there's there's no frills about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not trying to do something unique or interesting or
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  Speaker 2: go over the top with anything else. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: really good amber lagger, perfect amber color, solid head retention.
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  Speaker 2: Even with the hard poor it's so so keeping it.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice, big foamy up top there, and the flavor is.
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  Speaker 1: Just it's it's great. It's balanced, like it says Malti,
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  Speaker 1: but not overpowering, and just really smooth, really easy to drink. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I imagine this is kind of like an october Fest
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  Speaker 1: inspired type of beer.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean five point three percent alcohol, solid flavor.
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  Speaker 2: It's just I mean, if you like Amberloggers, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to love the crap out of this one. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: if it's new. It's got to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be new, because I haven't seen this
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  Speaker 1: on the shelves before.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, good chop, Big Grove if you want to
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  Speaker 2: send a few more our way. I don't think we'd
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  Speaker 2: turned that down at all. So I really like this
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad. I'm excited for the next couple that
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  Speaker 2: we've got here, and.
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  Speaker 1: It was exciting to see our favorite team beat a
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  Speaker 1: divisional arrival, one that the Vikings haven't beaten in the
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  Speaker 1: last five games that they've played.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two. I think was the last time
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings beat them. It was the first game of
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  Speaker 2: that season, or the first of the Lions games that season,
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  Speaker 2: and then they lost in the second one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's been a minute. JJ McCarthy's the first Vikings
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  Speaker 2: quarterback in a while to beat the Lions since Kirk Cousins,
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  Speaker 2: which is crazy to say because for our entire lives,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Lions may have had like one good
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  Speaker 2: year prior to twenty twenty two. They were the later.
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  Speaker 1: Barry Sanders years when we were really young, yeah, before
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  Speaker 1: we really woke, and then the Megatron years were pretty decent.
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  Speaker 2: But even then they they may have made the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: like once in the Megatron years, you know, like it
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  Speaker 2: was crazy when they finally snuck in with a wild card.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like They've always been just the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the barrel, drafting in the top ten, if not the
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  Speaker 2: top five, if not first. Overall, they've always just been awful.
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  Speaker 2: And it's crazy to think that the Vikings have had
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  Speaker 2: no success in the last few years against that team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're a really good team. And I still
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  Speaker 1: think the Lions are a playoff caliber team even with
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  Speaker 1: a loss of the Vikings. Like, losing one game in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL is not the end of the world. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like it in the moment, and I correct me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Every team now has two losses. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any team with obviously no undefeated teams,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think there are any one loss teams
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  Speaker 1: anymore either, So and that that makes things really interesting
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL because the parody of this league is
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  Speaker 1: what keeps people coming back. I think it's never this like,
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  Speaker 1: oh well, they're gonna win it again. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees of our childhood, where it was just like or.
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  Speaker 2: What will be the Dodgers here coming out?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Like I just keep thinking of the Yankees, like
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  Speaker 1: I was still am a somewhat Twins fan, and like
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  Speaker 1: you just had no hope as a Twins fan because
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  Speaker 1: the Twins could make the playoffs and they did all
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  Speaker 1: the time, only to get beat by the Yankees or
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: to take another Minnesota sports team. The Timberwolves were pretty
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  Speaker 1: decent when we were younger, and it was fun. But
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  Speaker 1: then guess what they were going to lose to the
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  Speaker 1: Lakers in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: You just knew it, Like in the wild they're they're
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  Speaker 2: notorious for making not getting out of the first round.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So all that to say, this league keeps things
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  Speaker 1: interesting and it's never the same old well, I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you could say the Patriots, Yes you could say the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs lately.
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  Speaker 2: But it always feels like other teams have a chance, yes,
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  Speaker 2: which I agree with you in saying that, And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I did double check every team has at least two
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  Speaker 2: losses in the NFL, so the Vikings at a four
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  Speaker 2: lost team are definitely not out of it. Correct nine
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  Speaker 2: games into a seventeen game season, the Vikings have they
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  Speaker 2: still control their own destiny, which most teams at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Still do, probably unless you're the Jets or the Titans
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  Speaker 1: with one win each.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean it's still not even for those teams
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  Speaker 2: mathematically right now, Like everybody's technically in in the hunt
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  Speaker 2: right now, so and the Vikings are square in there.
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  Speaker 2: And it helps that they're not still in it after
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  Speaker 2: you know, a handful of strung together terrible performances. It
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  Speaker 2: hasn't been great recently, but their most recent performance they
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  Speaker 2: went to one of the toughest teams to play against
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  Speaker 2: in their house and just straight up beat them. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a beat down, Nope, it was a close game
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  Speaker 2: pummel the Lions, but they definitely pinpointed a few things
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  Speaker 2: to take advantage of jamyor Gibbs pass blocking ability specifically
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  Speaker 2: being one of them, and they performed well. And JJ
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy in his third ever start, got enough or did
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  Speaker 2: enough to get the job done, which I'm excited about
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  Speaker 2: me too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk Roses and thorns and give out a game
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  Speaker 1: ball or two here, and then we can get into
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  Speaker 1: some more of the specifics. I'll start with roses because
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  Speaker 1: I'm cheating and I'm gonna have like three roses here,
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  Speaker 1: but all of them I think are worth highlighting, and
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  Speaker 1: all of them are good things. Number One, you beat
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  Speaker 1: a divisional opponent on the road and you're now two
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  Speaker 1: and zero in the division. That's awesome. You actually ran
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  Speaker 1: the ball effectively as a team. I know it came
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  Speaker 1: at the expense of a possible Aaron Jones injury that
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  Speaker 1: might keep him out for a little bit, but they
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  Speaker 1: actually ran the ball worth a darn, which is something
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  Speaker 1: that they haven't really done. And I still feel like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch all of the game, but the parts
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  Speaker 1: of the game that I watched, it seemed like they
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  Speaker 1: abandoned the run at times and just relied on the
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  Speaker 1: passing game to keep things going. And that's definitely a
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  Speaker 1: flaw of koc.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna get that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And I think that's just the quarterback in him, Like
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he just he has a lot of faith in his
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: quarterback and he knows that if he continues calling plays,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: eventually it's gonna work.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Out and quick little coda in your your roses here
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones. Koc talked to the media today. I didn't
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: hear this, so he said that they favorable news about
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones's injury. KOs said the you know, typical, he's
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: going to get a lot of work in this week
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and we'll see where he is. But what he didn't
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: say is, yeah, Aaron Jones, he's going to be out
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. So I wouldn't be shocked
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to see Aaron Jones play against the Ravens at this point.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Based off of what Koc did said today, I'd say
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: it's probably at least like a sixty percent chance that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: as of Monday night that he's he's playing on Sunday.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Anyways, keep going, well, that's good news, and I don't know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, we never know with these guys, Like sometimes
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they pop up on the injury report on Friday and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, wow, okay, well practice must have been rough.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So and he's we know this about him, right, We
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: knew this about him when the Vikings signed him last year.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: He's getting older and when you get to be that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: age of running back, you start to experience some of
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: those things, because you are literally like getting in a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: car accident twenty times per game, okay, with the amount
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of hits they take. So beating a divisional opponent on
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the road and being two and zero in the division
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: so far is awesome. Actually having somewhat of a run
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: game to speak of, I also think is a really
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: good thing and helped balance out the offense for JJ,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: who's my third rose. JJ's back right, yeah, and I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: think the momentum of this team behind him is their
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: lead is so much different. Like you watch the post
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: game locker room and you see that. I'm sure you've
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: seen that, like, oh yeah, Like he's just got this
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: fire in his eyes. He looks kind of crazy.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: At some point, I saw a tweet that said, man,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he's really performative. You know, he's just basically saying he's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: doing that weird look and on the sideline and staring
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: people down just to because he knows how it looks.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But somebody commented or even reposted it and said, he's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: not performative, He's just a weird dude. So like, I mean, hey,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, I've only ever seen and heard great things
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: about him on and off the field. But I mean,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I know sometimes these players in any sport, they put
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: that uniform on and it's like some kind of switch
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: happens and they're a little crazy. I think John Randall,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he put that EyeBlack on and it's like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: oh my god, who is this dude?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Like, like we could go down the list, Like justin Jefferson,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: he puts those sunglasses on and said that before. He's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a different He's.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Like it's alter ego or something like that. Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: With JJ McCarthy specifically, though, there's a good camera shot
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of him pregame two hours before the game, meditating on
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the bench at Ford Field in Detroit.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Like I think the Vikings even like retweeted that or
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: posted that wherever they posted, and.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: You know it was live because they like zoomed slowly
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in on him from like the opposite side of the field,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and it just got closer and closer, And meanwhile, all
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: these people are just like walking behind the bench like
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to and fro, and it's just like, man, all right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the dude was locked in. I even saw something, whether
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's true or not, his infant son was sick and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy slept somewhere else this week to avoid getting
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: sick because he had heard baby boy was sick. So like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know all that to say, dudes willing to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. And now that he's healthy again,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: we saw that, and we saw the effects on the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: field of all of that, and I'm glad to have
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: him back.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I will say, as long as the winds keep rolling
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and he's not like like dangerously weird, you know, like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: doing weird stuff and like Griffin kids around him, you
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: know which Again I've never heard anything about that. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: as long as he's not like doing bad things and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the winds keep coming, he can be as weird as
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: he wants to be.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And I'll be okay with like a Stefan Diggs. Do
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you remember that ninety nine questions with Brian Robinson.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who would you let your sister date?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Who would you not let your sister date? And everybody
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: was like, well Diggs of course, even Adam Thieleen was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like Digs and they were like best friends when he
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was in Minnesota.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I do want to spend some time on JJ,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: but we can keep the ball rolling with some with
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: our roses and thorns here.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: We'll come back to JJ.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Was that it for your roses? Yeah?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I could probably go down the line on some more,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but yeah, well we'll call it there for now. My
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: rose is that at times, for most of the game,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the defense for the Vikings looked unstoppable, and I think
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: there's a few reasons for that. You got Andrew van
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Ginkel back. Yeah, he didn't get two sacks like he
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: did in that one game. Was it against the Bengals
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: or I don't remember who it is, It was against
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: maybe the Eagles. He got two sacks in one game. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he didn't get that, but he was out there and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: run around like crazy. He got at least one tackle
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: for loss and it was awesome. You got Blake Cashman back,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and he's been back for a game or two now,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: but he really felt back this week. It felt like, yeah,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: he's good to go, and he was actually making splashes
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on the field. Fourteen tackles.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I led the team in tackle, led alayers into
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Eric Wilson, former Viking, then former Packer, now Viking again.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: He had two sacks in this game. He I think
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: he had six tackles, uh, four of them solo tackles
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and then two sacks Like Eric Wilson was all over
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the field. Also, Blake Cashman, I didn't even mention he
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: punched the ball out of Montgomery's hand to in that
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: huge turnover right there. So and then Harrison Smith, he
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: had that awesome It looked like he was gonna destroy
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff, but then all he did was, oh no,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he batted the ball down and just.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: That was like a Van Ginkle of last year, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: type of play. And I think I saw some comment somewhere,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: probably on Twitter that was like Van Ginkle probably went
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: over to him and like, dude, you get out a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: pick six there.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I had two of them last year, Javon Hargrave and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen. Both of them splashed and looked like the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: players that the Vikings paid a lot of money for
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: in the offseason.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And got game balls from KFC in the locker room afterwards.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Jalen Redmond, I think he got a sack or at
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: least a couple of tackles for lost. That guy just
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: keeps messing up offenses on the other side and becoming
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: this awesome undrafted free agent UFL pickup that nobody seems
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to give Quacy credit for. And then Levi Drake Rodriguez.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He all he did was block the punt or block
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the field goal. That let yeah Isaiah Rodgers pick it up.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how Isaiah Rodgers didn't score a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: touchdown on that one, but he's still it was still
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a big play.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Well, credit to who's their kicker, Jake Bates.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah he did run him down.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Jake Bates ran him down? Or was it Jack Fox
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the punter who was holding.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was a kicker. I might be wrong.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I don't remember who, but one of those two guys
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: chased Isaiah Rodgers down and tackled him and that was impressive.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he probably should have run that back himself.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So all of that to say, that's not even
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: all of the best examples that the Vikings defense well
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: not perfect. All day looked really good and most of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the day I.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Would add to it, and I would agree with you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's a great rose. Miles Price had a heck of
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a day returning kicks. He had one hundred and sixty
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: four kicking yards along of sixty one kick return yards
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that is sorry, along of sixty one, and he almost
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: busted one for the house, but that one got called
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: back for holding.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It. He did bust it, but and that was one
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: where the hold actually did benefit him, Like if not
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: for that hold, he probably would have gotten chased down
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and tackled, because usually when there's like a holding on
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a return, it's we're always saying like, ah, they didn't
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: even he was already passed it. Javier Thomas, that was
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: That was a rough day for him. I'm almost surprised
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: we didn't hear about him being cut today. But yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: because he had a hold or two holds, two penalties
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: one on a punt return, one on that kickoff that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: pulled back the the touchdown, and then another one on
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a punt where he got, you know, pushed out of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: bounds and then never made an effort to get back
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: in the field and that put the Lions darn near
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: at midfield after one punt. So that was rough, But overall,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: defense looked great. Miles Price also looked great in special teams.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I think the Vikings have a kick return and one
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: that I mean, we've said it on the show, We've
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: said it to each other the last few years. Brandon Powell,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: whoever it's been back there, it's kind of felt like, O,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: is he gonna actually catch this like, and then every
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: time he doesn't make a fair catch, it's like, oh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: come on, I know, don't get don't fumble it when
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you're getting tackled. Like I'm not getting a lot of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that from Miles Price. I'm feeling pretty confident every time
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he gets the ball, although there was one in the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Lions game where he fielded it at like the four
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: or five and then only got to like the ten
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: when it was pretty clear that the punt was probably
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: gonna bounce in the end zone. I think I even
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: tweeted like he absolutely should have let that one go
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: through the end zone.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And the judgment that those guys have to have the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: ability to go, I'm gonna catch this ball and I'm
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: an a fair or I'm gonna fair catch this ball,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna let it like there have to be
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a million things racing through their minds all at once,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and then they have to just make that decision because
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be there. And I think it's that like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: paralyzing moment that causes a lot of the muffs that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we see of like oh, crap o, grapo, crap and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: then there it goes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Well and think about it, too, like it's not just
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: about catching it, it's if I catch this, I'm gonna
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: get blown. I'm gonna get destroyed.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So talk about car crashes like I'm gonna it's gonna
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: be like I'm going through the windshield of a car
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: type of impact.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So luckily that didn't happen really for against anybody in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this game. But yeah, I think all of that wraps
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: up into my rose that it was just a good
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: defensive game. And then add in the special teams a
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: little bit, for specifically Miles Price. Outside of that special
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: teams is pretty rough. Price and Riker were high points for.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: The Special Team, and I think you got to give
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: special teams credit for that at least for those skill
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: guys that are doing it. And the other things didn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: really seem to affect the outcome of the game too much,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: which is good.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think Tabi or Thomas, yeah, he was
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: trying to do everything he could to miss that came
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: up for at least.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Get booted down to the practice squad or something. Yeah, Thorns,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go first, mostly because mine's not as good
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and we can spend more time talking about yours, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: we're still in the last in last place in the division,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: despite losses by the Lions and the Packers, And it
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: kind of dawned on me like a day or two
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: ago that, like, winning the division doesn't just mean going
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: six and oh in the division, Like you could go
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: six and oh in the division and still be last
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: place in the division. And so yeah, you can sweep
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the division and still finish in last place in the division.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And the Vikings are still in last place despite being
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: two to zero in the division, which isn't the worst
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: thing in the world right now going into week what
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is it ten? Next week?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Next week?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, week ten, So not not room to panic yet,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: but even with losses by the Lions and the Packers,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are still a little bit behind and have
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: worked to do. Yeah, and that's why these upcoming divisional
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: games are going to be super important. You want to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: win those, for sure, but we've got to stack up
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: some wins if this Vikings team is going to make
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the playoffs.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely and we can hit on this a little bit
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: later too, but the Vikings two and oh in the division,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Green Bay one to oh in the division currently, this
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: will all change. Each team gets six division games, so
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Detroit one and two in the division. Half of their
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: division games are played and they've only won one of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: them in Chicago zero and two in the division, So
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: again super early, but I mean, at least the Vikings
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: are starting off on a good foot in that aspect.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I do think that tie that the Packers got is
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: really going to annoy the rest of the division and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: maybe the rest of the NFC, because that's almost going
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to give them a one up. If if, like you said,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: every team has at least two losses this year, it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: going to be more of a balanced league, and that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: tie is going to end up giving them an edge.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Over and it's gonna be somebody. It's gonna give them
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the edge in the division because it wasn't against a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: divisional team. It was against the Cowboys. So because it
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't the Bears, the Vikings or the Lions, they have
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that one up. That's why they were five to one
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and one and were in first place over the Lions,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: who had more wins.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well think about this. Green Bay five wins right
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: now and two losses, Detroit five wins and three losses
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: with the same amount of games played, Chicago five wins
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and three losses, same amount of games played the Vikings,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: four wins, four losses, same amount of games played. So
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that right now Green Bay having that one tie is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: helping them out specifically in the division and could play
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: out for the rest of the year.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And that's my point, really is that. And I guess,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: going back to your point that you originally made, right,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it's gonna frustrate It's gonna frustrate us in the division.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: If the Backers don't don't lose many more games and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: end up staying kind of where they are near the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: top of the division, it's gonna it's gonna suck. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: this I think that's part.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Of my.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Rose too, or not my rose. It was my rose
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that they beat a divisional opponent. Yeah, it's a big thing,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: but the thorn of being in last place is in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the division. It just means that there's a lot of
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: catching up to do. And we'll talk here in a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: little bit about the upcoming schedule for the Vikings. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I've got some thoughts and I'm excited, but I also
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: think the time is now to start winning and stacking
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: up these wins.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, my thorn just some of the clock management,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: some of the play calling, some of the game theory
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: by koc and there were a handful of examples throughout
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the game, but the one that I'm specifically thinking about,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I think the highlight of this thorn for me was
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: towards the end of the game, when the Vikings had
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the ball in the red zone inside the ten with
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: less than four minutes left, and they kept trying to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: punch it in. It's like they cared more about scoring
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a touchdown than they did about bleeding the clock because
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: at the time I think they were up twenty four, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: twenty four to seventeen I think at the time, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they ultimately ended up kicking a field goal to go
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: up twenty seven seventeen. I think that I might be
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: wrong on the numbers of that, but I think that's right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: But what they really should have done, because they threw
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of times, or they ran it once on
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: first down, didn't get it, then they threw it. It
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: was a kind of behind Justin Jefferson pass that was
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: knocked down by I think it was Terry and Arnold.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: JJ didn't throw his best ball there, which stopped the clock.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And then on the next play they did some weird
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: fake handoff play action, and then the only other option
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: was for JJ to run around, and I think they
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: thought that everybody else would go for the handoff and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: JJ would run free into the end zone, but he didn't.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He ended up getting run out of bounds at like
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the two yard line, and then the Vikings had to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: settle for a field goal, whereas what they could have
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: done is just run it three times, stayed in bounds,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and if the Lions were so apt to do, they
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: could have started calling timeouts, and then the Vikings ultimately
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: could have still planned on kicking a field goal being
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: up by a good amount of points. I think it
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: would have put him up by ten points at the time,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: which it did, but they didn't bleed as much clock
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: as they could have. And I think we've seen just
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: some annoying examples all season and really all of Koc's career.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: He's gotten a lot better twenty twenty two. That's why
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: all these games were heard attack games, is because he
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: was more focused on the points and less focused on
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the clock and how he could manipulate play calling to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: lead clock or use the clock to his advantage. For
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, I just think in that scenario, much like
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the one where against was it the Eagles where TJ
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Hockinson got robbed on that touchdown catch?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, and it I think they should have gone
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: for a field goal there instead of throwing it to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: TJ for a non touchdown.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think KOs could definitely get better at
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: managing the clock and letting clock bleed where it should
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and stop where it shouldn't. And there's just a lot
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: about game theory and clock management that KOs could do better.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I say that while also saying I don't prefer any
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: other coach than KOs right now, saying oh, fire him
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't know he's still an elite offensive mind.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: He's a really good coach. There's a reason you don't
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: just accidentally win all these games in the NFL like
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he has. He was voted Coach of the Year, which
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: say what you will about that award. It could be awesome,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: could be not. But I think if he's got any flaws,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: it's game theory, clock management, and.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you really on any of that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I would just add that how fortunate are we as
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Vikings fans to not only have a great offensive head
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: coach in a head coach who does a great job
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I think of building culture, which we saw in the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: locker room. We finally got a victory locker room video, yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: which I was.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Saying last week, like, can you imagine how hyped we're
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: going to be after that victory in video?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It lived up to the hype for sure. But how
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: fortunate are we to have a head coach mine on
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball as well, Like, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like Koc has to have some sort of relief, like, well,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: thank goodness, I don't have to manage that aspect of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the game as well, Like I can step in and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: take a time out if I feel like we need it,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I can step in and do it I feel I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: feel is needed if needed. But for the most part,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: he's got it, and I can go over to the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: offensive bench and start, you know, all right, we gotta
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: get ready for the next thing, you know. And of course,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: as the head coach, you can't just completely abandon the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: game because you have to be paying attention to the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: game clock. You have to be paying attention to you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: timeouts and what's coming up, and you gotta be thinking
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about analytics. Do we go for it? Do we not?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Are they gonna go for it, are they not? Are
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we gonna, you know, put in our Like there's the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: blocked field goal, like, are we gonna try to block
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it or not? Are we gonna Like on a punt,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: are we gonna try to go for it or not?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Like you've got to be ready to make decisions in
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: those moments and equip your other position coaches and unit
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: coaches that way. But man, awesome to have Brian Flores
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And we've been saying since episode one of the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: School Hop Man, I hope we get to keep Brian
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Flores for a while. I will. That kind of reminds
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: me too, a little bit of a tangent here, But
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores, I've been saying all season. It feels like
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they're just blitzing too much and not getting home and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: then somebody's wide open downfield and the quarterback has plenty
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: of time because the blitzer aren't working. I think they
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: said on the broadcast many times, like, yeah, the Vikings,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: they're suffocating Jared Goff, they're blitzing like crazy, But they're
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: actually blitzing at a less lesser rate during the Lions
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: game than they had in any other game. I haven't
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: looked at stats. I don't know if that ended up
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: being true, you know, through the end of the game,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: but they're saying on the broadcast like, yeah, they're not
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: blitzing as much as they have been. It's just that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it's working more. And I think when you get guys
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: like Blake Cashman and Andrew Van Ginkel back on the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: field and then you have higher than expectation performance from
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Eric Wilson, that all makes things work better. And Ivan
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Paced Junior is good, but he's definitely been exposed. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: think he's really good when you can when all he
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: has to think about is where am I gonna blitz?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Not Oh I'm the green dot guy and I got
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to get people in the right situation. I've in Pace
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: is at his best when he knows not just who
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: he's covering, but where he's blitzings. So it's all working out.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So well to that point. If we want to keep
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: going down that tangent for a minute, I sent you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a video this afternoon, a tweet that came out from
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Ben Leeber, former Viking player and now kind of Vikings
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: radio network.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: We need to try to get Ben on the show. Now,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's impossible. I think the people we've
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: gotten on we could get him on the show.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this video justice, but maybe we can.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: We'll retweet it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: We can retweet it and post a link in the description. Perhaps,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But I watched this video. I had like five minutes
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: at work. I had a really busy day at work,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but I saw this tweet and I'm like, afterwards, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: was like, I just felt I feel like ten percent
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: smarter about the game of football after I read what
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: his description was, and then I watched the video and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can see that, and I won't do
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it justice right now, but basically, like he takes one
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of the one of the plays, one of the Vikings
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: defensive plays they get home for a sack on Jared Goff,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and he just talks about like the pre snap movements
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that all these guys make, and Ivan paces one of them,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and like, I think, to your point that you just
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: made that, i'vean pace exceeds or excels exceeds expectations. Maybe
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: is what I was trying to say. He excels when
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: he he just knows, like this is my spot. I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go through this gap and I'm gonna, you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: try to put pressure on the quarterback, and he didn't
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: make the sack. I don't think on that particular play,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I forget who did. But it's just crazy, like watching
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: all this movement and if I'm Jared Goff and I'm
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: watching like six Vikings players move into like eight different
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: positions before I snap the ball, I have no idea
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: what's coming, and then all of a sudden boom, I'm
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: on the ground. So I just you just retweeted.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I just well, I quoted it, and so this is
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the Benley retweet we talked about today. So yeah, great example.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Then if you're listening, come on, we give us all.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, all that to say, coming back, we're actually
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: still on our thorns. I do think even with the goods,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: even when the games are won, there are still examples
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of where KOC can do better. Which nobody's ever perfect.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: There's always gonna be ups and downs of every coach,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: every player, everything, And to be truthful, we're not in
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the headset. We don't know the game plan, we don't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: know exactly what they're trying to do. So just on
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the field or from TV it seem like koc could
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: be could be doing a better job of game management.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Agreed game balls. I'll start, and I think mine's maybe
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the easy one, but also maybe kind of slightly controversial.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with JJ McCarthy. Oh no, no way,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I know, right, And I know his stat sheet wasn't great,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Like it's not like he played lights out. He did
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: throw an interception, but he threw for two touchdowns rushed
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: for another. And I think, if you're that kid right now,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and he's a kid, let's be clear, he's twenty two
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: years old now, he is a young gun. You could
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: have easily allowed all of these narratives negatively affect you
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: over not just the last week, but the last several weeks, six, six, seven,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: eight weeks, the last.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Year and a half. Yeah, I mean really if you
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: want to get old about it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to give him the game ball for me,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: just because he overcame all of that, was able to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: tune all of that out and got the win. It
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't the prettiest win. It wasn't this blowout win like
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the Vikings had against the Bengals or anything like that,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: but it was a win and it was a win
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: against a divisional opponent on the road, against a playoff team.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I've said it a few times already, and I'll keep
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: reiterating it because I think it's important, and that's why
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: he gets the game ball. Now he's got to keep
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it going. Yeah, right like, And I still think we
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: will see some of his flaws come out, Like we
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: saw it in Week one against the Bears in the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: first three quarters, and we saw it in his second
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: game against the Falcons, right like. It hasn't always been pretty,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and I think we will continue to have those those
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: frustrating moments, those growing pains, those like, yeah he just
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: he experience.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get that. But that was I mean,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: most everybody, most every expert, Dustin Baker, everybody was saying,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have to be Tom Brady this year. He
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be you know, perfect, He just has
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: to be okay, and we just need to see growth.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: We just need to see that he's not a moron
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: out there. And I think this Lions game proved we're
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: seeing growth. We're seeing the goods where we should be
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: seeing goods. Yeah, he didn't throw for five hundred yards
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and ten touchdowns. But he also didn't look completely lost
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like Anthony Richardson for the Colts still in the preseason
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: last year, like this preseason and even last year like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he was still a few years in the NFL looking lost. Yep,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: We're we're not seeing complete lostness from from JJ McCarthy.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: And I think this team rallies behind him, not that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they weren't rallying behind Carson Wentz, but I think everybody
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: knew that there was this like rent a quarterback arrangement
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz, and it wasn't the Sam Darnold treatment,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't the it wasn't even the like case
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Keenum like situation right like where there wasn't any hope
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of the starter coming back, so well, the keys are
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: yours because we have no other choice. Like the Carson
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Wentz thing was this like it's temporary and when the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: when the guy comes back, he's back and he gets
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the job. And I think fortunately for Carson Wentz and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: for koc, Carson Wentz played himself to a season ending injury. Yeah,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, had that not been the case,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I think there would be some people out there pounding
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the table for Carson Wentz to come back even if
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the Vikings win this game with J. J. McCarthy under center,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like they look at the stat line and go, oh,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty three yards an interception, Like, yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he's not it, Like Carson Wentz had way better stat lines.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: We need to put him in. We have a better
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: chance of winning with him. Well no, yeah, no, And
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I think really, all you need to look at and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna get to your game ball. I'm long
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: winded tonight. I apologize, But all you need to look
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: at is the fire in Kos's eyes that hasn't been
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: there all season really until the locker room after this game.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And that told me all that I needed to know
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: about how chaos is feeling right now, right like we've
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: been saying it for probably the last months. Like, man,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: he just Koc looks pissed, he looks mad, He doesn't
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: look like he's having fun anymore. And he's lost this fire.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: He's lost that like you know, raw, raw, let's go
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: get him, you know, type of mentality in the locker room.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: At least the stuff that we can see, we don't know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: We don't know what happens, you know, day to day
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: week to week in the facility. But I think that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: locker room video that I watched was enough for me
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to say chaos. He has an enormous amount of faith
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: in JJ McCarthy, and even with some ups and downs,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he's gonna ride or die with JJ. Yeah, and as
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: long as he's healthy, that's who we're gonna get for
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, so real quick, I just did some quick math numbers.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy currently has four and forty four passing yards,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: four touchdowns, passing four interceptions.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of force.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all force. And then what's his rushing numbers?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Because he that's it has become a little bit of
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: his game here. Of course, it's gonna take me a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: second to find it here, my goodness. Okay, he's got
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: sixteen rushing attempts and sixty two yards two touchdowns, so
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the rushing touchdown has been a part of his victory
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: so far. He's on pace currently. This isn't going to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: sound great this season if he keeps up with what
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: he's been performing at when he's been playing. He's on
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: pace for seventeen and seventy six passing yards, sixteen touchdowns,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and sixteen interceptions. And then I didn't do the math
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: on his rushing yards, but it's something like two hundred
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and fifty rushing yards and about five rushing touchdowns. So
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: if every game is you know, this is including the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Bears game, the Falcons game, and then now the Lions game,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: if he has shown us who he is without any
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: upwards development or luck or you know, anything else, then
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of what we're aiming for. Which if
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: you're looking at a rookie quarterback season, that's about what
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: you'd expect. That's a that's a decent little foundation for
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: a guy that might have something. So he has yet
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: all that to say, he has yet to light up
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the stat sheet. But at this point we're to the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: point where it's like, well, we just need him to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: consistently be healthy and available to play, which we didn't.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: They didn't come out in press conferences today and say, oh, yep, JJ,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: his ankle is a little swollen today, so we'll see.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't they didn't say anything. I think
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: in his press conference, koc said specifically, he talked about
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: all the guys that were on the injury report last
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: week and gave a quick update on everybody. But when
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: he said JJ, he's like, yeah, everybody's looking or JJ's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: specifically looking good. So I expect him to exceed those
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: passing yards the seventeen seventy six, probably exceed the passing touchdowns.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I expect him to start going up. The more experience
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: he has, which experience can be daily experience, weekly experience,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be stacking years on years. The
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: more you get to know what it's like to have
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Koc in your headset every game, because realistically, if we
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: count preseason, JJ McCarthy's only had Koc in a headset
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: for two preseason games and now five games total and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: only three that actually count. So I'm looking to see
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of good development from him. I'm encouraged by him.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Against the Lions. It wasn't perfect, not every play was awesome,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: but he was clutch when he had to be shoot
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: down to the last pass he threw to Jaalen Naylor,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it was an amazing pass and then Naylor, I mean,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the easiest catch of the world, but it
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: was what they needed to win the game. JJ McCarthy
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: stared it down and did what he had to do
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and that was what he did all game. Wasn't perfect game,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: but he'll get better, so I expect him to be good.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And I totally agree with that game ball for him.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Who's your game ball going to?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I kind of talked about him a little bit earlier,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Eric Wilson. It seemed like he was the extra little
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: bit assault the Vikings defense needed. So, I mean, I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: think that's what Ivan Pace has done for the Vikings
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: defense the last few years. But for whatever reason this year,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: i'vean Pace. Maybe he just got thrown into the fire
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: with the green dot too much. Maybe maybe he's got
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: a low key little injury that isn't you know, prevalent,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and but just enough to keep him. Yeah, a little
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: tweak here and there. But Eric Wilson, on top of
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: everybody else being healthy and performing well, Eric Wilson came
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: in and just was playing like his hair was on
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: fire and was the cherry on top, you know, that
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: little bit of extra seasoning the Vikings defense needed. And
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: it worked. Like I said earlier, the defense looked unstoppable
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: at times and he was a big part of that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: So short and sweet, he's my game ball.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I would like to take a minute to talk about
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the upcoming schedule. Yes, because I mentioned this a little
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: bit ago, and I think this is important because I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: think and I've mentioned this in previous seasons, yep, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I tend to do this. You know, we'll kind of
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: get to this point in the season and a halfway point. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we're roughly halfway now. But I feel like we're at
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: an interesting crossroads for this Vikings team. And I felt
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: this way last year too, at about a similar point.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And my thoughts are this the next probably four or
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: five games or so, maybe.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Six, maybe maybe six, seven?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I teach high school and I'm sick
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of hearing that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Somebody laughed at that comment.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: That's why I stopped at five or six and I
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: didn't go any farther than that. The next several games,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: no specific amount, just several. I think they're going to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: be really indicative of where this Vikings team will end
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: up at the end of the season. And sure, you
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: could say, well, I'm looking at it too simplistically and saying, well,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of course, if they win games, they're going to make
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, or if they lose games, they won't make
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. And sure, if you want to take that
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: more simplistic approach, go for it. But I think it's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a little more complex than that, because there's a few
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: things at play here. You have two home games followed
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: by two away games. The two home games in a row,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I think are huge. It's the only two home games
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: they have in a row besides the last two games.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the last two, which I saw that the other day.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's pretty sweet. That could be.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: That could be helpful difference maker to finish the season
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: with two weeks at home.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then you you think about the teams
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that they're playing in this next stretch here, and it matters,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and I think some of them are purely confidence boosters,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: like the Ravens next week, Week ten, that's a confidence booster.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is back. That would be huge to me,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and he's looking good. And I know that the Ravens
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: don't have a good record, but I still think if
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you're the Vikings team and the Ravens come into US
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Bank Stadium and you win, that's not a moral victory.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: That's not a like, hey, a great job, that's like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: we just beat Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Well as of right now or as of a couple
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: hours ago when I looked on DraftKings, the Vikings are
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: the underdog. I'm sure Ravens are favored by three and
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a half points as of right now we're just under
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: a week away from the game. But yeah, when the
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: lines opened up, the Ravens are now favored by more
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: than a field goal.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: So then you host the Bears in another divisional matchup,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and you've already beaten the Bears once, but this time
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it's at home. And the other thing I like about
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the next several games is they're all noon games, which
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: means the schedule stays the same, the routine stays the same.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: There's none of this like Thursday Night Crab and Sunday
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Night and Monday Night, where like just historically speaking, the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Vikings have always struggled. Then on my Birthday, interestingly enough,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the Vikings go to Green Bay, and I don't like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a birthday for me the game at Lambo because it
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: is probably gonna be cold up there. But I don't
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: know if the Vikings are worth a darn. They're gonna
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: go to Lambo and they're gonna walk out with a win,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: especially if I think you I don't know if we
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: were recording yet when you said this, but we were
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: talking about the Packers before we started recording.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was as we were setting up yet,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: just about how.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You know, the Packers really haven't proven a whole lot,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and they they kind of feel like pretenders, especially losing
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to the Browns and the Panthers in the ways that
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: they've lost to them. So that all leads to a
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: trip to Seattle, which I know historically against speaking, the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Vikings struggle going to the West coast, don't perform well,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and that'll be an interesting game because it'll be against
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, who looked absolutely unstoppable last night on he.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Started what nineteen for nineteen or sixteen for sixty, He
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: looked incredible and thrown incomplete pass.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: He looked awesome, solidified MVP talks for sure.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: He's in the conversation. He can't not be, especially after
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: last night.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And then you have the commanders at home with probably
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels less. Yeah, he's Washington.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Team fun fact, check out our TikTok page the school
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: hop on TikTok or on Facebook or Instagram or even Twitter.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: We have one of those sick videos I like to
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: make about sports injuries. That shows a pretty pretty solid
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: look of Jaden Daniel's elbow popping out of place.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of gruesome. But if you're into that.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Thing, I'm into it. I know it's weird. I know
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I'm the weird one about that, but I'm just saying
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: it's there, you know.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: But just think for a moment how much momentum the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Vikings would have walking into I don't even know, is
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: it Luminfield in Seattle. How much momentum would they have
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: going to Lumenfield on November thirtieth with seven wins. Yeah,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: it's not a given, but definitely not a given. I'm
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: just thinking hypothetically, like there'd be a ton of momentum
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe enough momentum to have this really back and
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: forth close game against Sam Darnold, who's having a heck
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: of a season, to walk out of there with a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: win and be eight and four after the next four games.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: To your point, a couple of years ago, when the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Vikings were struggling, had dealt with a bunch of injury
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to key players like Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you said famously, I'm gonna say famously on the show.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: If the Vikings make the playoffs, look out, I would
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: say the same thing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of adversity, and the Vikings, to your point,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: this season, have dealt with a lot of early season adversity.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: You're starting quarterback, whatever you think about him, missed five
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: games out of the first nine games. You're starting center
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: who you just paid not record breaking money too, but
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: charter money too, who was supposed to be an upgrade
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: over Garrett Bradbury. Ryan Kelly has had scary concussions here,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: they're saying. KOs did say today that Ryan Kelly is
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: gonna be starting to do some like side field stuff.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: So he's still on IR and they're still not opening
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: that twenty one day window for him to practice, but
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I guess it's legal for him to like start probably
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: be in like shorts and a T shirt just kind
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: of doing some side work stuff. But that's kind of hopeful.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: But there's a chance he there's an outside chance he
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: never plays football again. They've had injuries for a game
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: or more to their very talented left tackle and very
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: talented right tackle, their first round pick rookie. So far
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: when he's been on the field, pretty good. Left guard
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson missed was it three games with his hand
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: he already had surgery. Like, there's been some adversity injury wise.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Harrison's smith. We may never figure out, not that we
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: have to, but we may never know exactly what happened
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: when he missed most of training camp and then the
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: first couple of weeks of the season. Right, he has
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: taken a while to warm up. Looks like he's coming back.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's been a lot of adversity for this team,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: and you're right. If they end up making the playoffs,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: look out. And I know that the frustration is that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: now that the Vikings have had a few years of
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: actually being good, this is suddenly the same few years
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: where the rest of the NFC North is suddenly really good.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of true, but also what you said earlier,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: there's more parody in the league this year than there
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: has been in in a year. Every team has at
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: least two losses. The Packers, yeah they have. Going into
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the games this weekend, they had the best record in
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: the NFC, but all of their games have been within
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I think most of them have been within one score
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: or maybe one of them two scores, but they're not
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: blowing everybody's helmets off every game like that. This league
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five is one that you're gonna see
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: some teams with five or six losses win a division.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: And that bodes well when your team already has four
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: losses after nine games.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of health, I think the Vikings are
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: on the up and up and on the healthier end
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of teams in the league. And I don't know how
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: accurate this tweet is, but it was posted on Halloween.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It says the Vikings have seven players on IR or
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the pup list. I don't. I'm not aware of any
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: puplist players right now for the Vikings.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: And the thing about the pup list is some of
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: those could have been on since like July, and we
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: may not remember them, true to me. Look that up
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: really quick.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: But if that number is accurate, seven is one, two, three, four,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: the fifth lowest in the league.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: And it looks like the Packers are at six, So
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you got six seven between the two of those, so.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Cut it out. But like the Lions for example, if again,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: if this list is accurate, nineteen players IR or pup list,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys also have nineteen the Dolphins of twenty three,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: which the Dolphins are.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Just they came out and said McDaniels, he's gonna stay coach.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I did see, which is interesting because I feel like
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: more NFL coaches have been fired mid season as of late.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Not this season, but in seasons prior.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It's a thing. You lose like four games and all
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're gonna get fired.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But this year, for some reason, college football, the oh yeah,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: well Division one, Flenn and Kelly and then Hugh Freese
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: from Auburn just got the acts today.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't see that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And I feel like there's a couple other ones in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: college football that have been chopped this year. But yeah,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: it's a tough year to be a head coach in
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: FBS college football.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, surprisingly, no firings that I'm aware of in
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Titans fired their head coach. I guess I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: didn't realize that that might be it officially.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: You're like, you know, I researched king over here.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it all up. Yeah, it's probably
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: not worth it to look it up. I know the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Titans coach has been fired. Aaron Glenn is still with
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the Jets, but you get a little leeway in your
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: first year sometimes. Plus he just they just won. What
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I was initially looking up was the Vikings a roster
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: to see everybody that's on the like pup list and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: injergy reserve. But yeah, you're right, it's the NFL this
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: season has been a little gracious with their their coaches.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Usually there's at least a couple of fired coaches by now,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and I think think the Titans might be the only
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: one to have fired their coach so far.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Google says Gavin Bartholomew and Chaz Chambliss are the only
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: two Vikings on the PUB list.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So on the injured reserve, we got Carson Wentz, Matt Nelson,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: a former Hawkey offensive lineman who he went on the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: ir in like training camp, rond All Moore obviously like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: tores Acl.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I was there for that. I watched that happen.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that preseason game. Brian Kelly,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: which sounds like he could be he might come back
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: this season. That's that's as far as I'll go Zeke
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Carrell a center that I think he was another training camp,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: preseason injured reserve guy. And then Ty Chandler who that
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: just might be a quiet firing where they're just letting
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: him go. I don't know. I don't even know what
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: his injury was, hamstring or something like that. Puplist is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Gavin Bartholomew, which it sounds like so he's a rookie.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: He was drafted the sixth round. Bartholomews it kind of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: sounds like he was drafted with knowledge of that. I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: think it's like a back injury or something like that,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: So they may just have been prepared to maybe he
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: can play this year. We'll take what we can get
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: in the future. But yeah, not a lot of current
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: injuries right now, which is pretty nice.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The point in all of that is just that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are very healthy at this point after getting there. Yeah,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and I would say they are there or I mean
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: super close to being really back to full speed one
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: hundred percent. But after a really rocky start with a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: ton of guys on that injury report, things have really
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: quieted down on that front. Guys are getting healthy again.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: And I think when guys aren't just feeling healthy physically,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: but you're also winning games, Yeah, that positivity just like no,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I'm good and like whatever, little thing you're dealing with
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that if you're losing, is like, no, this sucks and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I can't play next week. That goes away. When you're
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: winning games, you're just like, no, I'm gonna go run
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: through a brick wall for these guys because I love
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: this team. I love what we're doing, and we're gonna
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: go win as many games as possible.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A sore ankle hurts a lot worse when there's
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: no hope for winning. Like, if you're winning every game,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: you can forget about that sore ankle real quick. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I think you have some optimism to share too, because
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I just talked about how I think the next I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: don't know, five games or so could really be the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: lynchpin for this season and make or break right. Like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: they win a handful of those three or four or
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: all five of them, and we're looking at a playoff
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: team for sure.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and we lose a bunch of them,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you're done. Your season's over. It's a development year. You
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: chalk it up to let's get JJ McCarthy as much
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: experience as possible.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the way things sit at this moment, even
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: after the Monday night football game which just ended the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: viter the Cardinals beat the Cowboys, and this is a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: little bit of a tangent. Adam Schefter tweeted that both
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, who must have been calling
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the game, Yeah, they call the Monday Night games, they
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: said that they expect the Cardinals to stick with Jacoby
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Brissett at quarterback over Kyler Murray. And I know Brissette's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: playing because Murray has an injury, but like interesting.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't know anything that happened in the Monday Night game.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: We had YouTube TV.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: So ESPN, you need to get it figured out. You
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: bring it back.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know who's at fault, but they need to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: get that. I think it was ESPN at least before
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: the Vikings would play on ABC or ESPN. But yeah,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: as of right now, if the season were to end
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: right now, the Vikings would finish as the tenth seed
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: in the NFC, which that would be out of the playoffs.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Only the top eight seeds make the playoffs for each conference.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: But if they were to win all of the next
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: five games, pull up that what are the next five games?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: We have the Ravens, we have the Bears.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Ravens, Bears both at home and then go to green Bay,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: go to Seattle, and then you have Commanders at home.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the Bears, Seattle, and Green Bay are all
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: ahead of the Vikings as of right now. And yes,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the season's only halfway over. It's still early, and it's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: really premature to start talking about seeding and playoffs, but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: it's still conversation. Were Vikings podcast we got to do it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: But those three teams are all ahead of the Vikings
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: right now, and they're only like. The Bears are ahead
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: by one game. The Packers are head by one game,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: one and a half games because that's tie. The Seahawks
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: are head by two games, so if the Vikings were
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: to win all three of those, you cut those leads
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: plus then there's the rest of a season. The Vikings
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: are very much in the drive. They still hold their
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: own destiny, so if they win out, they're absolutely gonna
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: be in the hunt to make the playoffs, depending on
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: whatever if everybody else wins out, which is impossible because
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Vikings play some of them. But yeah, the Vikings hold
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: their own destiny still right now, so not a bad
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: spot to be. After two weeks ago, we thought fire, everybody,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: trade everybody, let's look to the future pretty much well.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And I think that's just the rollercoaster of the NFL season, right,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Like you have a loss like the Vikings sustained against
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the Chargers, and you can just tell, like the energy
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: in that room was gone. Yeah, and Koc was pissed,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and it happened on a short week, and the guys
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: were tired, and there were a lot of injuries and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz literally like it was so banged up that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: he's not going to play another snap of football this season,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like it was doom and gloom.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Can we can we give Carson Wentz a couple of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: minutes here?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can do whatever we want. It's our show.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I probably said some things, definitely absolutely texted to you
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: some things about how Carson Wentz shouldn't be the starter.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: They need to pull him, they need to put Brose
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Moor in. I just want to say, after all is
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: said and done, I can't take back what I've said
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: in the past, and I don't want to, but I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: will say I respect the crap out of Carson Wentz
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: because after he because he did talk to the media.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's talked we've we've recorded an episode since
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: then too, But he made it sound like he the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: way he was talking in his chose to test conference,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: it was mostly his choice. He kept saying, yeah, I'm good, Yeah,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I'm good. I can keep going. And I've seen it
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: tweeted out there that this is probably the sentiment that
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: he knows this was probably like. And he kind of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: said as much to like, you don't get too many
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: chances to be QB one in the league. And he
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: was QB one for five weeks. Yeah, with the real
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: cute you can't hurt. Yeah, but he was preparing each week.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: He knew he was a starter. He knew he was
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: gonna take the reps. He was starting every game, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: for that period of time. And he said, like, you know,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: you don't you don't get that very often. And so
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I think on some level, even though he was kind
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: of torturing himself a little bit in that Chargers game,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: he was soaking it up. I mean, what which one
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: of us wouldn't take the opportunity. The Vikings would lose
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: by one hundred trillion points if they started me at quarterback.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: But you know what if they called and said, hey,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Ausin we need you to start at quarterback. It'll never happen,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: but if they did, I'd be like, heck, yes, Like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care if I get sacked a thousand times
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: or break both my legs and never walk again, Like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I get to start for the Viking, like start in
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Like that'd be insane. So I think that's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: that's where he was. He wasn't gonna let it go
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: until he couldn't walk anymore. And I got a lot
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: of excuse me, got a lot of respect for him
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: for holding on to that dream, holding onto that could
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: be the last time he starts a game in the NFL,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: you never know, And he really he took one for
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: the team because if he would have come out, Rosmer
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: would have been annihilated.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think to add to that, I think
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: he he deserves a lot of credit, not only for
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the physical pain that he endured and continued to go
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: out there for two games after sustaining that injury to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: his left shoulder, but I also think you've got to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: give him credit for he never had this this diva mentality.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: There was never this like, well, you know, I was
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: on that Super Bowl winning Eagles team and like, had
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I not been hurt, I would have won that, not
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Nick Foles, and right there wasn't there And there's never
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: been this aura with with Carson Wentz, right like he's
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like I don't I've paid much attention to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: him other than when he was a Viking. But I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: think he's a good dude and I think he's he's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: got a great mindset. I'm sure he is a great
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: guy to have in that room with JJ McCarthy, with
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Max Brosmer. I still wonder what we would have seen
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: from Max Brosmer, not to take away from Carson Wentz,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's there's just that element of the unknown,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and like I know there's all these you know, controls,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: controls on Twitter, like, oh, they're not gonna put him
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: in because he's gonna play better than JJ, and then
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: they would really have this conundrum on their hand. Here's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: what I think. At the end of the day, we're
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: gonna look back on the two games that he won
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: in the three games that he lost in a Vikings uniform,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna go, you know what, those two wins
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: were really valuable. They pushed us over the edge. They
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: got us to where we needed to be at the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: end of the season. Who knows what the end of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: the season is going to look like.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: We don't.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: We're hopeful that these next five games go really, really
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: well for the Vikings to position them to be in
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: a spot to go to the playoffs again. I think
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: if the Vikings are a playoff team, especially if the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Vikings are a playoff team, we as fans and I
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: hope his teammates and I hope his coaches look back
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and say, you know what, those two wins were crucial.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Every needed he absolutely needed those. And like the Bengals game,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: like that was his first game and he didn't play
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: like lights out, but he played well.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: He wasn't the reason they lost interceptions.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, that was kind of the Isaiah
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Rodgers game. Like I'll always remember that for sure. But
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: make man like you said, you didn't do anything to
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: lose the game, and you just and he did what
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: we've been hoping out of JJ McCarthy in that game
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: all day long, like just manage the game, just, you know,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: don't throw an interception, don't take these big, ugly sacks,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: throw it out of bounds if you need to, and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: find Justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison, whoever you can. Addison wasn't
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: in that game, but you know what I'm saying, right like,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: just manage the game. Manage the game, manage the game.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: And he did that well to the tune of a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: big thirty eight something, yeah, victory over the Benal thirty
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: eight ten.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I just looked it up. And if you're feeling bad
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: for Carson Wentz, forty eight ten not thirty yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I forgot about that, if you're feeling bad
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: for Carson Wentz. So his career never really got to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: what it should be. One he's at least a one
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: time Super Bowl champ. I think he I know he
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: was on the Chiefs at one point, but he was
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: on the Eagles too, right, well, yeah, he was drafted
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: by the Eagles and they won the Super Bowl. And
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: like his second or third year, first, second, third year,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: he was also on the Chiefs last year and they
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: went but didn't win.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Lost.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: But anyways, if I'm not exactly sure how accurate spot
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: rack is, I think they're pretty accurate. Spyrack dot com
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: the website, but if you look him up, his career
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: earnings are one hundred and thirty four million, one hundred
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: and seventy six dollars. So if you're ever feeling bad
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: for Carson Wentz, don't don't. He's fine, he's kid, he's okay,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: and he seems like a good dude. The huge chunk
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: of that is I guess I forgot about this. In
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the Eagles extended him with a four year,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty eight million dollar contract, So I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: forgot about that. I thought once he got hurt, it
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: was pretty much like, man, that's about it. But I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: guess I don't remember from from too far ago. But yeah,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I will look back at Carson Wentz and his Vikings
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: time with you know, a little bit of bittersweetness. I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: was always you know, he was a Vikings fan growing up.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: He's probably always going to have a little bit of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: that to him. I feel like, even if, like the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Packers signed me at any point in my life, I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: would have never, like fully let go of my Viking
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: fan hood, you know what I mean. Like, and he's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: a tens of if not hundreds of millionaire with a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring and a family, and he's going to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: be just fine. But I do appreciate what he did
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and that he held the held the ship for as
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: long as he had to and got a couple of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: wins for the Vikings this year. As we completely derail
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: what we were talking about, the Vikings tenth seed could
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: easily in the next five weeks from now will look
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: so different. They could be the fourth seed, they could
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: be the one seed, they could be the twelfth seed, you.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Know, like they could be out of it. Yeah, there, exactly. Well,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk specifically about Week ten playing the Ravens
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: at home. Baltimore's three and five. But Lamar Jackson just
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: came back, He's looked good, and they have one of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the better running in the league in Derrek.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Keilty actually had one of the better running backs every
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: history of the league.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, the Ravens are favored, even though they're
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: on the road against the Vikings three and a half points.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: The over under is forty eight and a half points
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: keys to victory. What do you think the Vikings need
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to do to win this game?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: I think if we see the same defense from the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Vikings against the Ravens that we did against the Lions,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: should be at least a competitive game and then on
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: top of that, if JJ McCarthy gives us at least
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: what he gave us against the Lions, should be a
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: competitive game. I saw a really good TikTok breaking down
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the Vikings defense and how they specifically exploited a couple
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: of things about the Lions offense to hold the victory
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: in that game. And one thing was that every It's like,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: every time they saw Jamiir Gibbs in a potential pass
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: blocking role, they just blitzed. They probably checked into it
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: because they noticed and proved Jamiir Gibbs as elite as
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: he is of a runner, he's just not there as
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: a pass blocker. So I mean, there was at least
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: one specific time that I think it was Eric Wilson blitzed,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: blew up Jamiir Gibbs, and then all he did was
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: run and just pummel Jared Goff for one of his
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: two sacks. So if the Vikings defense gives us any
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: hint of that against the Ravens, then hopefully it'll be
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: a competitive game.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I was watching a video before right
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: before you got here tonight, and it was of the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Panthers Packers game, and we laugh about the pack losing
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: to the Panthers, of course, which anytime the Packers lose
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: is it's a wonderful day for us as Vikings fans.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But there was one play that was on Twitter and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: somebody was analyzing it and they thought that Bryce Young
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: put Rico Dowdell into a fake pass blocking situation, but
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: then handed it off to him anyways and caught the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Packers defense completely off guard and he gashed him for
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: a huge game field and it was it was tricky,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: and I kind of like, I watched it a couple
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: of times, and I'm like, Okay, I can kind of
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: see that it's really subtle, and like, you know, the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: guys on the field, no, infinitely more than we do,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: because they're the ones playing the game.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: We just watch.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Videos of it and the speculate and they know the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: scheme and they've studied all week, you know, to go
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: out and beat these guys. But anyways, that's just it
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: just made me think of that, and I think Brian
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Flores is so stink and smart when it comes to
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like even little things like that, when
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: an offense tries to throw them for a loop, usually
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: it might you know, in my experience watching games. It
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: might happen once, but it's not gonna happen again. You're
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: not fool me once, okay, but fool me twice, not
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: even gonna happen. Like, I'm gonna figure it out and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: we'll make the adjustments. And if you you know, if
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you check into something like that at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: your quarterback makes that audible Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: figure it out within a couple of tries.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: You know. Well, the thing about the Flora's defense, if
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: you really look, there's two ways that Flores's defense gets beat.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: The second least common way, but it definitely happens, is
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, there's an open receiver, tight end, running
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: back wide open in the middle of the field. Yes,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: so if you ever see the Vikings defense, pay attention
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: because you'll see it. If the Vikings defense gets torched
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: for twenty plus yards, it's probably because there was a
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: blitz that didn't get home and then somebody just wide
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: open in the middle of the field with five at
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: least five yard bubble around them, where nobody's around them.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: That's the least common way, but it happens. The most
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: common way that the Flora's defense gets beat. You know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: a terrible big play for the offense against the Flora's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: defense is if the guy just doesn't make the tackle. Usually,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: and we saw a handful of freaking times against the Lions,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff would be dead to rights, a Viking holding
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: him like a bear, and then whoop, just misses the tackle.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff gets out. There was the one play where
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff totally escaped I think of Jonathan Grenard. Had
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: him dead to rights, would have been a sack for
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: like five seven. He wiggled out through it to the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: side to I think it was Aman Ross Saint Brown.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: I might be wrong about the receiver, but then Isaiah
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Rodgers just did the same exact thing to that receiver.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: He would have had the receiver dead to rights for
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: a minus three yard loss, but then all of a sudden, nope,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: he didn't even know it was Byron Murphy. He just
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: slipped around him, and then you know, a fifteen yard
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: pass play. So those are the two ways. And if
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: the Vikings could break down and fundamentally fix their tackling issues,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: the Florest defense would be basically unstoppable.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: So this just brings me back to that video that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I referenced earlier posted by Ben Leber, because there's one
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: other aspect of that that and I don't know, I'm
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: just maybe flexing this knowledge that I gained from Ben Leber.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Now I'm on the show. But it's just it's fun
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: to talk about and it's our podcast and we can
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: do whatever the heck we want.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: So he mentioned in that particular play how all this
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: movement was happening on the line and like Ivan Pace
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: kind of moved around, and a couple other guys moved around. Well,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Mattellis and Harrison Smith were back in a too high
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: safety look, and he mentioned in his commentary in the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: tweet that Mattellis floated over between the hashes to take
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: away the hot throw. And I saw that too in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: the play because like Jared Goff's eyes immediately went to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: a quick crossing route over the middle to try and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: get rid of it quickly, which is where you can
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: gash a defense like Brian Flores's, And it wasn't there
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: because Mattelis came down. And I think for this Vikings team,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: having all of the pieces back matters so much. Yeah, sure,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: can they improve on their tackling, yes. Can they improve
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: on their middle of the field coverage, yes, because I
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: think the sidelines and those deep balls, the Vikings have
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that locked down, and you're not gonna you're not gonna
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: get those big, huge, like explosive touch down plays on
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: his Vikings defense. Maybe once in a blue moon, but
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: you're gonna give up a lot of those fifteen twenty
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: twenty five yard over the middle passes that are just
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: going to keep moving the chains and moving you down
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: the field. But I come back to that point when
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: you've got Ving goingkl and cash Man and Ivan Pace
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and Jalen Redman, and you've got all these guys up
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: front that can generate the pressure, and then you've got
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: great guys that are back in coverage too, like Smith
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: and Isaiah Rodgers and Mattelis.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Byron Murphy.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, who's been kind of quiet this season.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: I still maintain he's been quiet because he's been so good.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: You don't hear point him because they're not throwing his way,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: and when they do, it just doesn't work. So they
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: don't throw his way. That I thought about that against
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: the Lions game, Like man, I forgot Byron Murphy was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: even on the team for a minute. No, it's because
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: teams aren't testing him because they it's not going to work.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: And so I think if you can get the vikings
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: in those man coverage or even some zone situations where
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: it's just the safeties in the corners covering those guys,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: you know, even if you don't get home, it's going
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: to be a struggle to move the ball down the field.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Did we Was that still my key to victory?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? That was the defense. Yeah, that was a long window.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: So let's let's start to come downhill on the episode.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Here we're at like an hour and a half. Evan,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: what's your key to victory?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I'll keep it short. They got to balance the run
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: in the pass game to help JJ manage the game.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: We talked about it already. The seventy whatever yards from
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and then a couple other you know, a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: handful of yards from Jordan Mason and some other guys
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: helped that. JJ getting some yards on his legs helped that.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna help JJ. McCarthy and I think that's
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be necessary, and against this Ravens team that likes
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: to run the ball a lot with both their quarterback
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: and their running back. They're going to eat up a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: lot of time on their side of the like, I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: think time of possession will be important in this game
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: because you got to get your defense as the Vikings
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: off the field and give them a chance to rest,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: and so you've got to eat up time consequently on
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. So that's my key
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to the game. Balance the run of the past. I'd
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: love to see somebody rush for one hundred yards. It
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: hasn't happened.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: It would have had Aaron Jones not gotten injured, correct,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: But I'd love to see that. Yeah, in this game,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: all right, predictions were to this point, let's talk about
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: purple punishments. Both of us in the preseason said that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: the Vikings would beat the Ravens. I'm not sure why.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: We probably talked about that on the episode that we
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: did our preseason predictions. I forget what episode number that was.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: But if the Vikings win, neither of us are spinning.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: They lose, we're both going to spin and probably have
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: to eat something spicy or something.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Evan, what is your score prediction for this game?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's twenty five to twenty four Vikings win.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's really close, and I think it comes
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: down to time of possession. Like I just said, I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: think the Vikings will get the ball last and at
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: twenty five is kind of an obscure score, but I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: think it comes down to a Will Reicherd field goal.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I think, interesting, Yeah, I'm probably how that would work.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: But these are all just guesses. Really, even the experts
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: are wrong. Every expert predicted the Lions to beat the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings this past weekend. Maybe there's a safety involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, I feel like there'd have to be, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So mine is kind of tied to my key to victory.
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  Speaker 2: My key is that the defense shows us what they
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  Speaker 2: showed against the Lions, but specifically that they contain Jackson
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  Speaker 2: and Henry and I don't think you can you can
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  Speaker 2: really do that. I think the things that I talked
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  Speaker 2: about when the defense gets you know, when the Flora's
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  Speaker 2: defense gets beat, it's poor tackling and then middle of
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  Speaker 2: the field. I think if Lamar Jackson did what a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: quarterback is supposed to do on every single play, what
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  Speaker 2: you would predict someone to do, kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: chess match, Like I know, if I do this, He'll
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  Speaker 2: do that. If it was a textbook thing, the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: would win every time. But Lamar Jackson, what makes him
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  Speaker 2: so good and so elite is you can't predict what
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna do. He could throw an eighty nine yard
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  Speaker 2: pass for a touchdown, or get sacked for a five
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  Speaker 2: yard loss, or rush out of nowhere and miss eight
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  Speaker 2: tackles for an eighty nine yard touchdown. Like you just
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  Speaker 2: never know what he's gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: And he could have.
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  Speaker 2: You could have everybody covered, including Lamar Jackson, and he
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  Speaker 2: could still slip away and somehow miss a tackle and
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  Speaker 2: boom he's gone, or miss a tackle and then boom,
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  Speaker 2: he's got five more seconds to look for an open
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  Speaker 2: receiver who slips away and then he's open. I just
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  Speaker 2: think my issues with Koc's game management is going to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: be overpowered by is it John Harbaugh. He's there's a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: reason he's almost two decades as a head coach. He's
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: a super Bowl winning coach. He's he has very few
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: flaws and he's proved it, and good for the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: and the defense, and just the unpredictableness of Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: And then on top of that you get Derrick Henry,
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  Speaker 2: who when the Ravens have lost games this year, it's
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  Speaker 2: been because either Lamar Jackson's been hurt and out of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: the game or Derrick Henry has had an untimed poorly
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: planned You can't plan fumble and that's been it, and
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  Speaker 2: you can't plan for those things. So I think the
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  Speaker 2: Vikings are gonna lose this one unfortunately, twenty four thirty
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  Speaker 2: one to the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong too,
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  Speaker 1: both for the sake of the Vikings salvaging this season
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: and like at the midway point, kind of just getting
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: it figured out and continuing this this trend of winning,
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  Speaker 1: but also for the sake of the Wheel of Purple Punishments,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't want to have been in.
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  Speaker 2: There's some rough ones on there this year.
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  Speaker 1: I want to avoid that.
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  Speaker 2: But we A theme for us for the last handful
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  Speaker 2: of months has been the most Vikings things ever. It
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: would be the most Vikings things ever, thing ever to
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  Speaker 2: beat the Lions when we all thought it always lost,
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  Speaker 2: and then just oh another lose to the three in
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  Speaker 2: games exactly right?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Well, where can people find us?
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  Speaker 2: We're almost done with this beer, which beers me great.
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• 1:29:37
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  Speaker 2: have because we need something for the intro. Right, It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I liked it a lot. I will drink it some more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's all I gotta say.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think though. I think if I could sit
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we almost did.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry for the long episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's good.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like this was an awesome episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe best episode. Yeah, could be cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one.