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Does RING-DOORBELL-cam capture killers who target teen girl in bedroom? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: year old girl end up dead in her own home?
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Speaker 1: And is the whole thing caught on a ring doorbell
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Speaker 1: security device? I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. A sixteen year old girl dead
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Speaker 1: that's only four years older than my twins, John, David
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Speaker 1: and Lucy. And you think in your own home your
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Speaker 1: child is safe with this small Mississippi town is learning
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Speaker 1: another thing. First of all, take a listen to WLOX
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Speaker 1: news reporter John fits you. She was a beautiful young lady,
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Speaker 1: completely innocent of all these things that have happened to her.
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Speaker 1: She loved her music, and she loved her friends. She
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Speaker 1: had a big laugh, always enjoyed herself wherever she was.
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Speaker 1: Her love of music is one of the things that
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Speaker 1: her cousin said he will always remember. It would do
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Speaker 1: this thing where we'd harmonize, and it was kind of
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Speaker 1: funny because we'd all harmonize at the same time and
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Speaker 1: we sing a song called Hey There, Delilah, and you know,
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Speaker 1: it just kind of like brought us together. Another of
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Speaker 1: Madison's passions was cooking. She loved the cook She loved
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Speaker 1: her spices. This recently she fixed me asteak and without
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Speaker 1: even thinking about it, I added pepper to it. That
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Speaker 1: was a mistake because she always had it spiced up.
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Speaker 1: Madison had told her grandparents she wanted to be an astronomer,
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Speaker 1: so they bought her a telescope for Christmas. But they
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Speaker 1: will never get to see if that was where her
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Speaker 1: passion would take her. She was a hard work or anything.
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Speaker 1: She said her mind too, she was a hard worker
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Speaker 1: at it gave her all. You were hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: at Wlox Knees, John Fiatz, you speaking with family members
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Speaker 1: of this young girl, Madison Harris. How does a girl
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Speaker 1: interested in music and cooking and astronomy, end up dead
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Speaker 1: in her own home. It's almost too much to take
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Speaker 1: in when you think of it this way. This young
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Speaker 1: girl just turned sixteen years old, a real homebody, even
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Speaker 1: being home schooled. With me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Derek Ellington,
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Speaker 1: certified fraud examiner, Mark Tate were now attorney out of Savannah.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator
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Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Bobby Chaco,
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Speaker 1: former special agent FBI, screenwriter for Criminal Minds. Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: New York Psychologists, joining us. She's at Karen Stark dot com,
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Speaker 1: but straight to Alexis Terreschuk joining US investigative reporter Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com. This girl, Madison Harris, sixteen years old
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Speaker 1: sounds like every parent's dream, you know, Alexis. Just last night,
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Speaker 1: since all of us have been on lockdown, Lucy is baking.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could teach her how to cook supper,
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Speaker 1: but she's baking. She makes banana bread, she makes cake
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Speaker 1: in a cup, She makes all sorts of simple recipes.
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Speaker 1: And then the other night Alexis. She got an apple,
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Speaker 1: wait for it, and she peeled it. She just cut
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Speaker 1: it just so, not peeled it. She cut it to
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Speaker 1: where it looked a thin slice of apple with a
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Speaker 1: tip of red peel on the edge. And she made
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Speaker 1: a flower out of it, like twelve flowers and then
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Speaker 1: drizzle caramel sauce on them. She's twelve. And to think
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Speaker 1: that this girl Madison was all into cooking and baking
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Speaker 1: and surprising people with her recipes. She's dead. She didn't
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Speaker 1: even leave her home. Alexis did not even leave her home.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Alexis. Let me go to Karen start Karen
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Speaker 1: Stark dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: New York jurisdiction. Karen, we think of people getting gunned
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Speaker 1: down on the street and a dope deal, or they're mugged,
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Speaker 1: or they're killed by a dui. But how often do
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Speaker 1: you think of a little girl getting killed in her
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Speaker 1: own home. It's so it's sad and outrageous. Nancy, think
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Speaker 1: about the parents, Think about her family that are still there,
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Speaker 1: still in that home. They lost it used to a
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Speaker 1: child dying before you. And here we are in the situation.
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Speaker 1: It happened in her own home where she's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be safe and protected. And apparently what we're learning is
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Speaker 1: a lot of evidence was captured on a ring doorbell
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Speaker 1: Dear Ellington. For Christmas, I think it was two years
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Speaker 1: ago or birthday. Birthday, I gave my husband ring doorbells.
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Speaker 1: I kind of always give him something that I want
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Speaker 1: for the house, and so we got ring doorbells. They're incredible.
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Speaker 1: I love them because when the doorbell rings, the picture
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Speaker 1: a video actually of who's at the door pops up
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Speaker 1: on your phone. And when I have to travel for work,
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Speaker 1: I can actually log into the ring and see what's
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Speaker 1: happening at the doors. How does the ring technology work well?
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Speaker 1: And they are. They're an incredible tool and they can
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Speaker 1: be an incredible source of comfort and security when you
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Speaker 1: have them around your house. And basically, like any type
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Speaker 1: of smart device, it's always watching, it's always monitoring, and
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Speaker 1: when there's emotion detected or something like that, it can
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Speaker 1: alert you. It records the video of whatever's going on
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Speaker 1: and an obside that you can access and then when
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Speaker 1: there is a problem, you can go back and pull
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Speaker 1: that video and law enforcement or investigators like us can
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Speaker 1: use it. It's it's an incredibly powerful tool. It's incredibly comforting,
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Speaker 1: but it's not without challenges. It's not without security questions
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Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's it's it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a double edged sword. As you'd say, Alexis Terres shut
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com inst to get a reporter. What
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Speaker 1: we are learning is that in this small town, Mississippi
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Speaker 1: town it's Biloxi, there was a home invasion while a
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Speaker 1: little girl is at home. And I just finished writing
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Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Finding Back against America's Crime Wave,
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Speaker 1: and one of the chapters it got to be very extensive,
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Speaker 1: was about being safe in your own home. Is about
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Speaker 1: being safe in your own home, and it includes home invasions,
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Speaker 1: and we don't expect it to happen, especially when you're
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Speaker 1: in a rural or suburban neighborhood. A home invasion even
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Speaker 1: when the doors are locked. I'm understanding that Alexis Terres Chuck,
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Speaker 1: this was a home invasion and the sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl was home. Let me ask you that narrow question,
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Speaker 1: is that what happened? Yes, that is exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: To Bobby Chico, former special agent FBI screenwriter Criminal Minds.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think a home invasion is
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Speaker 1: going to happen in their neighborhood. But the examples I've
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Speaker 1: given the book Don't Be a Victim are nice neighborhoods.
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Speaker 1: One is down on the Panhandle with a huge family
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Speaker 1: that I think they had a car lot, they had
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Speaker 1: several businesses. I mean, it was a very low crime area.
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Speaker 1: And I cited several other examples of home invasions all
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Speaker 1: in residential areas. They're more common than people think. Bobbych
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Speaker 1: Con well, sure, I mean the criminals that conduct these
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Speaker 1: kind of crimes are looking for, you high value items
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Speaker 1: to steal, right, so they're going into you know, if
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Speaker 1: they're going to forcibly enter a home that's a high
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Speaker 1: risk activity, they're going to do it for a high payoff.
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Speaker 1: And that means that they're going into homes that they
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Speaker 1: feel have higher end electronics, higher and jewelry things like that.
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, we do find home invasions happen typically
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Speaker 1: in nicer neighborhoods, more expensive homes and things like that,
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Speaker 1: because it's a higher risk but also a higher reward.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we think happened to mass and Harris
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Speaker 1: is sixteen years old. Shot dead and her grandmother's home,
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Speaker 1: Buloxee on a Monday afternoon Broad Daylight Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, did doorbell home security video show suspects leaving
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Speaker 1: the home of a teenage girl following an alleged robbery
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Speaker 1: turned murder and this happens in broad daylight? Straight Out
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, an
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: you have seen literally thousands of crime scenes, as have I.
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Speaker 1: You're a death investigator. Every crime scene you went to,
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Speaker 1: unlike me, was a death, a murder. What do you
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Speaker 1: think about a home invasion where a sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl is shot dead in her grandma's time, that's where
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Speaker 1: she lived. I find that very unusual. It is Nancy
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Speaker 1: and I see. One of the things that really comes
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Speaker 1: to mind is why would this level of force need
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Speaker 1: to be used against a sixteen year old girl. I
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Speaker 1: think that that is something that really goes to the
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Speaker 1: heart of the matter. Here are we talking about an
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Speaker 1: experienced criminal. I'm reflecting back what Bobby was saying just
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Speaker 1: a moment ago. Motivations for going into the home and
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Speaker 1: this sort of thing. But you know what an experience
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Speaker 1: criminal actually go in and try to literally strong arm
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Speaker 1: rob at gunpoint a sixteen year old girl. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like there's more here than just simply kidding. Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: you are not kidding, because think about it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a really good example of this. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember our Belenda Temple in Texas who was I
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Speaker 1: guess eight months pregnant, had one child. The husband was
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Speaker 1: the football star and coach the local football team. She
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Speaker 1: ends up she's found cowering dead in the closet of
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Speaker 1: the master bedroom. And you think, why if someone comes
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Speaker 1: into burgle to steal stuff, why do you have to
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Speaker 1: kill the witness? Because in my experience, to Mark Tay,
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Speaker 1: you're the lawyer out of Savannah, typically when a burglar
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Speaker 1: comes in and they realize somebody's home, they leave right.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to kill anybody, they don't want to shooting,
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Speaker 1: they leave. That is my experience having a handle on
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Speaker 1: the low end ten thousand felonies for ten years. I mean,
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Speaker 1: burglar's leave jump in. Mark, I don't believe based upon
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Speaker 1: what this crime sounds like in the way it's been
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Speaker 1: described publicly, on numerous occasions that the motivation was to
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Speaker 1: go in and simply rob Madison of whatever she had.
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Speaker 1: As you know, there was a reported burglary at her home.
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Speaker 1: That laws for family to undertake some pretty good security
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Speaker 1: measures that bolting their windows, clothes and putting double side
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Speaker 1: and key only dead bolts on their doors and put
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Speaker 1: in up these cameras that in fact, I think the
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Speaker 1: prosecution is going to love here. Oh yeah, because they
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Speaker 1: totally tricked out the whole place. Alexis Terreschuk Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative journalist. A few weeks before the home invasion,
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Speaker 1: there had apparently been a burglary, and let's follow up,
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Speaker 1: I want Mark Tay, lawyer out of Savannah, Georgia, has
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Speaker 1: just said that after that burglary, which they reported to
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Speaker 1: the police, they totally tricked out the house. What did
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Speaker 1: they do to protect themselves? Well, they installed the ring camera.
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Speaker 1: They installed it on a couple of doors. You can
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Speaker 1: have it on wherever you want, and they have to
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Speaker 1: be just the front door. They put it on the
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Speaker 1: cardboard as well. The door at the cardboard they both
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Speaker 1: side as well, and they put in the as you said,
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Speaker 1: the dead bolt to the double locks so they were
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Speaker 1: really trying to lock this house down because they were
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Speaker 1: very afraid after the break in, and that they didn't
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Speaker 1: feel like the people were finished. They felt like they
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Speaker 1: were going to come back and they wanted to stop that.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting and the psychopathy behind this, this
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Speaker 1: home invasion that turned deadly, gunning down a sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old little girl in the home. It's my understanding and
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Speaker 1: Alexa's correct me if I'm wrong that the dad was
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Speaker 1: actually in the backyard, raking Leaves. This was on a
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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, broad daylight. Do I have my day's right,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Rustchuck, Yes, it was Monday. It was a Monday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: It was one forty eight is when the police got
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Speaker 1: the phone call and dad was in the backyard and
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Speaker 1: her friend, another friend was over. Bobby Chicone from our
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Speaker 1: special Agian FBI, I don't get it. And also earlier
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I think it was said, the level
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Speaker 1: of force you use on a team girl just for
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Speaker 1: a robbery, why do you have to kill her? And
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Speaker 1: my theory as it was, and they Belenda temple murder
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Speaker 1: was she's not rapeed, she's not sex assaulted. Nothing is stolen.
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Speaker 1: She had to be killed because she knew the perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: What about that, Bobby Chicone, Well, that's my theory too.
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Speaker 1: I might agree with you with you, and I think
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Speaker 1: that one of her family members actually told this to
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Speaker 1: the media. I think that that when you see one
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Speaker 1: of the suspects went in about thirty minutes earlier, and
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Speaker 1: then four additional suspects came in and within ten seconds,
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Speaker 1: he says, on the video of those four entering the house,
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Speaker 1: the shots are heard on the ring doorbell. So just
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Speaker 1: like that, it doesn't see It's like this was a targeted,
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Speaker 1: premeditated act of going in there and shooting this young girl.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the brazen nature of this?
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Speaker 1: It's broad daylight and dad is right there in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: Ray King leaves. What about at Joseph Scott Morgan, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean the boldness that's associated with this, because obviously
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Speaker 1: these individuals had to have an awareness that there were
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Speaker 1: other people present at the home. What's the driver behind
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Speaker 1: this psychologically where you've got people that would show up again,
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Speaker 1: I have to emphasize this sixteen year old child's home
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Speaker 1: with a firearm in hand, and not only that they're
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Speaker 1: apparently coming in forced. Nancy. It's not just one person
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Speaker 1: showing up at the house. So this gives us an
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Speaker 1: indication that they came armed, they came prepared for violence
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Speaker 1: and to do violence to this little girl with dad
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Speaker 1: in the backyard Raking Leaves, you know, to Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: that's something that sticks in my mind. It sticks in
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Speaker 1: your mind. You know. I always attached to these little
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Speaker 1: tidbits or fragments of a crime because I remember when
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Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered. I waved goodbye to him that morning,
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Speaker 1: and I went to school to take a statistics exam
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Speaker 1: and at the time he was murdered, I was in
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Speaker 1: that exam and this dad, it's going to forever. Remember
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Speaker 1: I was just right outside Raking Leaves, but my daughter
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Speaker 1: was murdered inside. And you turn it over and over
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Speaker 1: in your mind trying to think, was there something I
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Speaker 1: should have done, I could have done differently, and somehow
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Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened. And I know that's what that
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Speaker 1: dad is thinking right now, absolutely thinking that he should
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Speaker 1: have been able to do something, Nancy, And that's what happened,
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Speaker 1: exactly what you're describing. You don't even it's not just
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Speaker 1: that you're saying you took an exam, but it was statistics.
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Speaker 1: That kind of specific memory really has to do with trauma.
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Speaker 1: You associate every single thing that happened, and it's very
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Speaker 1: very normal to blame yourself and think, even when it
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Speaker 1: makes no sense, I should have been able to do something,
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Speaker 1: I should have been able to help. And here he is.
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Speaker 1: He's actually there right outside raking leaves and he will
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Speaker 1: never get over the fact that that happened to him.
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Speaker 1: I just hate it so much for the dad, for
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Speaker 1: the family, because you think in your home that that's
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Speaker 1: where your children are the safest, and you don't imagine
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Speaker 1: that somehow, while you're right there at home, someone will
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Speaker 1: invade your home and murder your child. Alexis Terrestria just
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Speaker 1: a yes, no, was Madison sex assaulted or was there
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Speaker 1: actually a robbery? Did they actually take anything? She was
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Speaker 1: not sex assaulted. It was so fast, it was literally
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Speaker 1: under a minute that these criminals came into aled criminals
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Speaker 1: came into the house and shot and killed her and
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Speaker 1: nothing was taken. And there go your two main motives
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Speaker 1: for a burglary on ault or a theft crime. Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace guys, we were talking about the death
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Speaker 1: of a sixteen year old little girl in her own home.
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Speaker 1: Now brace yourself. Take a listen to our friend at
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Speaker 1: wlo X News. This is John Fitzhugh. Waldeck said some
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Speaker 1: of those charged were once considered friends. They were in
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Speaker 1: our house I thought as friends a number of different times. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they just lived two or three houses down and across
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Speaker 1: the street. But Waldeck said something had changed. We think
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Speaker 1: they were involved in a burglary at the house two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Of course, the police were called and we
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Speaker 1: were pressing charges against that first crime, and we're afraid
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Speaker 1: that this may have been retaliation against us reporting their crime.
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Speaker 1: After the burglary, Harris's family was worried about another break
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Speaker 1: in and took special precautions. We screwed the window shut
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Speaker 1: so he couldn't get in there, and put dead bolts
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Speaker 1: on the doors. Said that they had to be locked
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Speaker 1: with a key to get Anne were out, but the
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Speaker 1: cardboard door was unlocked. We are talking about the death
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Speaker 1: of a sixteen year old little girl. Is it true
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Speaker 1: that the killers were her friends? Take a listen again
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Speaker 1: to WLOX John Fitzhugh. Madison. Harris had been living with
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Speaker 1: her grandparents for four years after her parents had divorced.
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Speaker 1: James Waldeck, who was engaged to her grandmother, said the
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Speaker 1: family is struggling with grief after the shooting that took
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Speaker 1: Madison away from them. Waldeck said he learned something was
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Speaker 1: wrong when his ring doorbell app showed an ambulance at
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Speaker 1: their home. He said the camera at the garage door
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Speaker 1: revealed much more about what happened inside his home. Madison
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Speaker 1: was here and her very good friend Paul and her
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Speaker 1: dad was in the backyard raking leaves, and one girl
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Speaker 1: came in. I saw on ring doorbell about a half
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Speaker 1: hour before, and then according to my ring doorbell, four
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Speaker 1: of them charged in an unlocked door here to carport
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Speaker 1: and within a mount of ten seconds to shooting and screaming,
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Speaker 1: and then them running out the door being chased by Paul,
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Speaker 1: her friend and then her dad. You know, it's almost
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Speaker 1: too much to take in to Alexis Urez Chuck Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis so he doesn't realize
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Speaker 1: anything is wrong, James Waltcheck until he hopped us to
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Speaker 1: look down in his ring and see an ambulance at
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Speaker 1: his home. Exactly he got. That's overwhelming. Tell me what
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Speaker 1: you understand happened, Alexis. So, Madison is home. She and
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Speaker 1: her friend Paul are in the house. Dad is out
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Speaker 1: in the backyard raking. So Monday afternoon, one of her
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Speaker 1: you know, one of her friends, comes over, and another girl,
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Speaker 1: a teenage girl, she comes in the house. A little
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Speaker 1: while later, four other teams come in. It doesn't trigger
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Speaker 1: anything that Dad's not running inside or calling the police
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Speaker 1: or anything. But then within ten seconds of their now
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Speaker 1: being five new friends in the house, they're screaming, they're shouting,
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Speaker 1: and Madison is shot with the guns. And then these
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Speaker 1: teams run out of the house, and this is seen
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Speaker 1: on the ring camera. The ring camera captures. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: film forever and ever and ever, but when there is
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Speaker 1: motion detected, its films for thirty seconds or a minute.
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Speaker 1: And so it caught all of this because it happened
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Speaker 1: so quickly. And so Madison's friend actually calls nine to
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Speaker 1: one one. He calls and says, please come, there's been
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Speaker 1: a medical emergency, and the police, the ambulance comes, and
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Speaker 1: this is what her grand her grandmother's boyfriend fiance sees
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Speaker 1: it on the camera. He lived there with them, and
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Speaker 1: he sees that the ambulance is there, and then he
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Speaker 1: realizes that something's happened. So the police get there, the
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Speaker 1: EMPs get there, they kick Madison, they rushed her to
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Speaker 1: the hospital, and then it's there at the hospital they're
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Speaker 1: performing surgery on her, desperately trying to save her life,
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Speaker 1: and it's at the hospital that she died. Dude, Joseph S.
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Speaker 1: Goot Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State and Death Investigator, what
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Speaker 1: do we know about her injuries? Well, Nancy, uh, this
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Speaker 1: this young girl was literally shot in the hip. And
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Speaker 1: when people hear hip they think that it doesn't sound definitely, no,
23:26
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And people think that, well, that's just the
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Speaker 1: upper leg. Listen artery. Yeah, it's one of the most
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Speaker 1: complex skeletal structures in the body. You've got all these
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Speaker 1: odd shaped bones. We've got the joint where the actual
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Speaker 1: femur goes in there, We've got the pelvis or the
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Speaker 1: pelvitt This is not the Indy five hundred. Slow down, brother,
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Speaker 1: what did you just say? Slow down? I'm just a
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Speaker 1: jd Okay, Yes, start at the beginning. What happened to her? Well,
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Speaker 1: she was shot there was apparently some kind of altercation
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Speaker 1: that went on in the room. Oh yeah, they home
24:03
Speaker 1: invaded and shot or that's the altercation. She's mining her
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Speaker 1: own business in her room. Yes, And apparently during this
24:10
Speaker 1: altercation that's ongoing, one of the subjects was holding the firearm.
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Speaker 1: The firearm discharged, striking her in the hip. Now as
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Speaker 1: they try to get her to the hospital, she's obviously
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Speaker 1: bleeding out Wendy's And I've seen this countless numbers of times, Namecy,
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Speaker 1: with people that are shot in the pelvic area. When
24:30
Speaker 1: these rounds, these projectiles go through these odd structures, they
24:35
Speaker 1: literally fragment and shattered this bone and it splinters off
24:39
Speaker 1: in a variety of directions. But the bottom line is
24:42
Speaker 1: the bone or the bullet splinters off. Both can, both can,
24:46
Speaker 1: but particularly the bone. The bone literally becomes little bony
24:50
Speaker 1: shards or little fragments okay, shrapnel almost if you will,
24:54
Speaker 1: and it will pierce the little vessels that are just
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Speaker 1: integrated throughout the pelvic girl. And when the surgeon gets
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Speaker 1: in there, Nancy, they have a devil of the time
25:05
Speaker 1: trying to determine the origin of the bleeding. They have
25:09
Speaker 1: to work like mad because all the while can you
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Speaker 1: imagine this all the while they're trying to save this
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Speaker 1: kid's life or BP is dropping on the table and
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Speaker 1: blood is seeking out everywhere, and there's no way that
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Speaker 1: they can stem at many times. Okay, that was a
25:23
Speaker 1: lot to take him. Let me understand this. So she's
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Speaker 1: shot in the hip. Do we know the caliber? I
25:30
Speaker 1: do not know the caliber, Nancy. She's shot in the hip,
25:32
Speaker 1: and that does make a difference, because if you've got
25:34
Speaker 1: a twenty two, maybe not as much damage, depending upon
25:38
Speaker 1: how far back you are. If you're talking about a
25:42
Speaker 1: different type of ammunition or a high powered gun like
25:46
Speaker 1: a glock or nine, you have a whole a mushroom bullet.
25:50
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a whole range of potential harm
25:54
Speaker 1: done to this child. But you keep saying how serious
25:57
Speaker 1: it is if she's shot in the hip or pelvic
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Speaker 1: region of Why. Well, the reason is that there's just
26:03
Speaker 1: if people can just imagine a network of these little vessels,
26:08
Speaker 1: and there's countless of them, including one major one, the
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Speaker 1: Femberle that you mentioned just a moment ago, where well
26:15
Speaker 1: it runs along the inside of the thigh and actually
26:18
Speaker 1: there's what is there's actually what's referred to as a
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Speaker 1: for Rayman. It's a it's a medical term for a
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Speaker 1: hole in the pelvis where it kind of leaches back
26:27
Speaker 1: up through the top of the pelvis and goes into
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Speaker 1: the A order, which is the largest vessel in the
26:32
Speaker 1: body that comes off of the heart. So that vessel
26:35
Speaker 1: itself is supplying the total I mean the totality of
26:40
Speaker 1: the lower body with oxygenated blood. And when you clip
26:44
Speaker 1: that vessel, When you clip that vessel, it's got a
26:47
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of pressure on it, and it's the heart's
26:49
Speaker 1: just pumping out volumes of blood everywhere the hip is
26:53
Speaker 1: filling up. That area, in that area where the surgeon
26:56
Speaker 1: is trying to stem this bleeding is filling up, and
26:58
Speaker 1: that's why it's so difficult, particularly if the bonus fragmented
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Speaker 1: and it's clipped other little vessels. It's an absolute medical nightmare.
27:07
Speaker 1: I would compare the femoral artery to the jugular up
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Speaker 1: below your chin and your neck as to the in
27:16
Speaker 1: a sense that it's pumping blood. These are your main arteries,
27:22
Speaker 1: and if you slice one of these arteries, you're dead.
27:26
Speaker 1: That's just all there is to it. If you slice
27:29
Speaker 1: the federal artery. But they try to save or how
27:31
Speaker 1: would you even try to save a slice to the
27:34
Speaker 1: federal artery, Joe Scott, how do you even do that? Well,
27:38
Speaker 1: you know, they have to make a rather large incision
27:42
Speaker 1: in this area because, like I was talking about, Nancy,
27:44
Speaker 1: there's so many vessels that are involved in this area. Literally,
27:48
Speaker 1: this is the scary thing. Literally, while they are attempting
27:52
Speaker 1: to stem the flow, they're having to do an exploratory
27:55
Speaker 1: surgery here to determine what vessels have been affected. Obviously,
27:59
Speaker 1: the first when you want to go to is inspect.
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Speaker 1: Inspect a continuity or the integrity of the femoral artery,
28:06
Speaker 1: if it's if it's got clipped anywhere along the way,
28:08
Speaker 1: if it's got a little defect in it, you try
28:10
Speaker 1: to tie that off as quickly as you can. But
28:13
Speaker 1: all the while, if again the bone has fragmented, you've
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Speaker 1: got these other little vessels that are also springing blood
28:19
Speaker 1: all over the place. That's why this is such a
28:22
Speaker 1: hellish have a chance that ambulance pulls up to try
28:25
Speaker 1: to rush it to the hospital, but with a punctured
28:28
Speaker 1: femoral artery, Madison didn't have a chance. Crime stories with
28:43
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Why does a sixteen year old girl die
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Speaker 1: in her own home bleeding out. I think I listen
28:54
Speaker 1: to our friend at wk RG and NEUS five reporter
28:56
Speaker 1: Brianna hollis their heartbro game. But it only does seem
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Speaker 1: to be shock over anything else right now, because those
29:03
Speaker 1: family members say they have seen these suspects in their
29:07
Speaker 1: house before they were in our house. I thought as
29:11
Speaker 1: friends a number of different times. Yes, they just lived
29:14
Speaker 1: two or three houses down and across the street. But
29:17
Speaker 1: when those five teens came over on February twenty four,
29:20
Speaker 1: it went much differently. They left in handcuffs. Sixteen year
29:23
Speaker 1: old Madison Harris left for dead. James Waldeck, who was
29:27
Speaker 1: engaged to Harris's grandmother, says he found out something was
29:30
Speaker 1: wrong when he got an alert on his ring doorbell,
29:34
Speaker 1: charged him an unlocked door here to carport and with
29:38
Speaker 1: an amount of ten seconds to shooting and screaming and
29:41
Speaker 1: then them running out the door. These are the five suspects,
29:44
Speaker 1: Yakishia Blackman and Joquas Porter. They're all between fifteen and
29:48
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. We think they were involved in a
29:51
Speaker 1: burglary at the house two weeks ago. While Deck reported
29:54
Speaker 1: the crime to police and he thinks Monday's violence may
29:57
Speaker 1: have been in response to that, and we're afraid that
29:59
Speaker 1: this may have been retaliation against us reporting their crime,
30:04
Speaker 1: retaliation for reporting a burglary. You are hearing the fiance,
30:10
Speaker 1: the grandma's fiance. That's where she's living, Jane Waltchick talking.
30:14
Speaker 1: He first learned there's something wrong because he sees an
30:16
Speaker 1: ambulance at his home on his ring set on a
30:19
Speaker 1: cell phone. Alexis Urez Chuck. These are all juveniles that
30:25
Speaker 1: she thought were her friends. Is that correct, Alexis, Yes,
30:30
Speaker 1: that's why these kids were there. These were friends of her.
30:33
Speaker 1: She also had her other friend, Paul, who was in
30:35
Speaker 1: the house at the same time. They all knew each other,
30:38
Speaker 1: and so then coming in seeing your friends perhaps wasn't
30:42
Speaker 1: as scary as it would have been if it was
30:44
Speaker 1: five people that you didn't know. What did they want, Alexis,
30:48
Speaker 1: What did they want to steal? Well, it seemed like
30:50
Speaker 1: that they when the kids were arrested, When all these
30:52
Speaker 1: teenagers were arrested, they told the police themselves that they
30:56
Speaker 1: wanted to steal marijuana from her. So they think this
30:59
Speaker 1: little girl may have marijuana. They come into the home,
31:03
Speaker 1: they don't get anything, All this over nothing. There's nothing
31:09
Speaker 1: like that there, and now the little girl is dead.
31:15
Speaker 1: So these five teams desperate to find dope breaking a home.
31:22
Speaker 1: There's nothing there in this subdivision with dad in the
31:27
Speaker 1: backyard raking leaves, and there's nothing for them to steal
31:32
Speaker 1: if that's what they want. These are friends of the
31:36
Speaker 1: little girl, you know, Karen Start, You've heard me say
31:40
Speaker 1: many many times that sometimes I would be more concerned
31:47
Speaker 1: about what a juvenile would do as opposed to an adult,
31:50
Speaker 1: because I don't think the juveniles get the consequences of
31:53
Speaker 1: pulling that trigger, and then the persons didn't. That's right,
31:59
Speaker 1: they don't get the consequences. Their brains are not fully developed,
32:03
Speaker 1: so morally they don't make those kind of decisions. They're
32:06
Speaker 1: not Why think about it, five people supposedly break into
32:11
Speaker 1: that house for the sake of stealing marijuana? Why five?
32:16
Speaker 1: To begin with? Why? Violence like that? A gun? None
32:20
Speaker 1: of that makes a lot of sense. And what they
32:23
Speaker 1: have done something like that if they actually understood that
32:27
Speaker 1: they would be killing someone and the consequences of what
32:30
Speaker 1: that would do, and they I doubt it. I doubt
32:34
Speaker 1: that they could think that through. None of it makes sense.
32:37
Speaker 1: And Mark Tate lawyer trial lawyer joining me out of
32:40
Speaker 1: Savannah at Tate Lawgroup dot com. The reality is this,
32:46
Speaker 1: with a case like this, they're going to be bound over.
32:49
Speaker 1: This is what we call one of the seven deadly
32:52
Speaker 1: far different from these seven deadly sins and Canterbury tales.
32:56
Speaker 1: It's like slaw grade prod lust, gluttony, jealousy and anger. Well,
33:04
Speaker 1: I can't believe we got all seven. The seven deadlies
33:07
Speaker 1: in the Criminal Code are murder, rape, sodomy, aggravated assault,
33:16
Speaker 1: child molestation, arson, and did I say I'm driving? Ah,
33:22
Speaker 1: thank you kidnapping, So it's gotta thank you Mark Tate.
33:27
Speaker 1: So it's a very very different interpretation when you're talking
33:32
Speaker 1: about the seven deadlies under the law. Those seven deadlies
33:36
Speaker 1: are DFA's designated felonies under the Designated Felony Act, which
33:42
Speaker 1: means if a juvenile commits one of those, they are
33:46
Speaker 1: almost immediately bound over to adult court. There's no discussion.
33:52
Speaker 1: In fact, there has to be a be hearing if
33:54
Speaker 1: they're not going to be treated as adults. So while
33:58
Speaker 1: Karen start in her Ivory Tower in Manhattan, somewhere in
34:01
Speaker 1: her posh pad and a high rise is talking about
34:05
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing. They're seventeen years old.
34:09
Speaker 1: They knew you had a pull a trigger. And this
34:11
Speaker 1: little girl is dead. She didn't have any marijuana. She's
34:14
Speaker 1: in there baking cookies for Pete's sake. It wouldn't matter
34:18
Speaker 1: if she did have no, it wouldn't It would not matter.
34:20
Speaker 1: Mark Tait the right. So, in my mind, seventeen years
34:26
Speaker 1: old is not so. Yes, of course their brains aren't
34:31
Speaker 1: done forming. But they had a gun. You know, my
34:34
Speaker 1: dad was a Marine Corps drill instructor and I had
34:37
Speaker 1: a rifle in my hands when I was six years old,
34:40
Speaker 1: and the very first thing I ever learned is you
34:42
Speaker 1: never point a gun at anything that you do not
34:47
Speaker 1: want to be dead. And these kids either knew or
34:52
Speaker 1: should have known that, and they didn't care. I don't
34:56
Speaker 1: think this is a matter of not understanding for these people.
34:59
Speaker 1: It is a eason horrific, horrible attack. And I think
35:05
Speaker 1: this was a revenge tactic undertaken by thug kids who
35:11
Speaker 1: falsely befriended this poor girl, and when she started raising
35:16
Speaker 1: Kane about the previous robbery of the house, burglary of
35:20
Speaker 1: the house. Rather, I think these kids were connected to it,
35:23
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the investigation is going to
35:25
Speaker 1: bear out. And we all know that Mississippi loves the
35:29
Speaker 1: death penalty, and I think the way this was carried
35:33
Speaker 1: out demonstrates very clear in my mind, premeditation. They're not
35:39
Speaker 1: going to get the DP. Mark. That's the only thing
35:41
Speaker 1: I disagree with you on well, because under US Supreme
35:44
Speaker 1: Court ruling eighteen and under, you cannot get the DP
35:47
Speaker 1: in our country under eighteen, they're seventeen, but they can't
35:51
Speaker 1: get life. Yeah, and my point was, yes, you're exactly right.
35:54
Speaker 1: Month The point is, traditionally would be would be a
35:57
Speaker 1: death penalty crime. Totally have so many young there are
36:02
Speaker 1: so many relatives of this victim alife. Sometimes the death
36:07
Speaker 1: penalty belonged them is heard because over the next twenty
36:11
Speaker 1: years that will be appeals please for Clemens appeals out
36:15
Speaker 1: the ying Yang. And you know what's heartbreaking, especially on this,
36:20
Speaker 1: is that this girl is being homeschooled, so she doesn't
36:24
Speaker 1: have all the school friends that a lot of children have,
36:28
Speaker 1: a lot of teens have, and she thinks these teens
36:32
Speaker 1: are her friends, and they befriend her the whole time.
36:36
Speaker 1: Alexis Terres Chuck Crime online because they want to get
36:39
Speaker 1: in the home. And I don't think they were looking
36:42
Speaker 1: for pop. I think they had burglarized the home before,
36:46
Speaker 1: and then the family reported the burglary and they came
36:51
Speaker 1: back in to seek vengeance, in revenge, I think that's
36:56
Speaker 1: what happened, Alexis Terreschuk, Well, I might actually disagree with you.
37:00
Speaker 1: I think, okay, I think that they did want to marijuana.
37:03
Speaker 1: They broke in the first time, they didn't get what
37:05
Speaker 1: they wanted, and they came back a second time saying
37:08
Speaker 1: to this girl, we know you're hiding it, and we're
37:10
Speaker 1: gonna get it this time. And it seemed like there
37:13
Speaker 1: was a scuffle. And I am not your whole young
37:16
Speaker 1: innocent woman, but they Let me ask you a question, Alexis,
37:20
Speaker 1: did they go into the home with a gun? No?
37:24
Speaker 1: Where did the gun come from? So the gun came
37:26
Speaker 1: from the friends who were in the at a window
37:29
Speaker 1: outside and then pass the gun into the house. So no,
37:32
Speaker 1: they didn't. Okay, let me rephrase my question, Alexis to
37:36
Speaker 1: s Chuck. Once entering the home, did they get a
37:41
Speaker 1: gun from the outside and bring it into the home.
37:44
Speaker 1: Once the gun handed to them, can I break it
37:46
Speaker 1: down any more? Simply for you, Yes, the gun was
37:49
Speaker 1: handed to. Let me ask you another question, Alexis. And
37:51
Speaker 1: again this is a yes no. This is what we
37:54
Speaker 1: call cross examination, not direct for you launch into an
37:59
Speaker 1: unrelated story, Alexis. Shurez, Chuck. Have you ever visited someone's
38:03
Speaker 1: home then put your arm out in the window and
38:06
Speaker 1: gotten a gun? Have you ever done that? That's a yes, no, no, good,
38:11
Speaker 1: You're you're a tough little cookie. Long story short. They
38:15
Speaker 1: come in looking for pot that they couldn't find the
38:17
Speaker 1: first time, and they come back after that burglary was reported,
38:22
Speaker 1: and now this girl is dead, her friends killed her,
38:27
Speaker 1: Bobby chicin way in. So one of the suspects went
38:30
Speaker 1: in thirty minutes before the other four came in. My
38:32
Speaker 1: theory would be that they went in that first person
38:35
Speaker 1: went in to either talk to her about testifying in
38:37
Speaker 1: the previous burglary case or what she knew what she
38:40
Speaker 1: intended to do. She probably texted back to the other
38:43
Speaker 1: four saying she wasn't having much success talking her out
38:46
Speaker 1: of you withdrawing the charges of the previous case. I
38:49
Speaker 1: would look at that one's suspects texts and emails and
38:55
Speaker 1: the other witness, Paul her friend who was there, witnessed
38:58
Speaker 1: that conversation but few minutes something happened during those thirty
39:02
Speaker 1: minutes that told the other four to come in and
39:05
Speaker 1: within ten seconds kill that young girl. My theory is
39:08
Speaker 1: that they tried to talk her out of or they
39:10
Speaker 1: tried to get her withdraw the burglary charges and it
39:13
Speaker 1: was unsuccessful, and then they decided to eliminate the witness. Wow,
39:19
Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes Stories, signing
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Speaker 1: off Goodbye Fact