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Sharri | 24 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Line is sharing.
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Speaker 2: Good evening well.
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Speaker 3: First tonight to the real story behind the shock appointment
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Speaker 3: of Liberal powerbroker Matt.
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Speaker 2: Kean joining Tim Albo today.
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Speaker 3: Keem stands accused of being a turn coat by the
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Speaker 3: Liberals after Albinezi announced he chair the Climate Change Authority.
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Speaker 4: Mister Keane understands the opportunity that the transition to clean
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Speaker 4: energy represents for our nation.
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Speaker 5: I'll be making decisions and providing advice to the government
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Speaker 5: based on facts and I'm really looking forward to getting
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Speaker 5: into the facts.
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Speaker 3: Keen is divisive, he's polarizing, and he's always been highly ambitious.
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Speaker 3: Liberal sources told me that he was considering running against
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Speaker 3: federal Liberal Paul Fletcher, or even potentially challenging the New
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Speaker 3: South Wales leader Mark Speakman.
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Speaker 2: But this role share of the Climate.
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Speaker 3: Change Authority, you'll give him a high profile platform, quite
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Speaker 3: separate from the Liberal Party. Political insiders are speculating that
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Speaker 3: Keen could use his new position to launch a future
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Speaker 3: career in Federal Parliament as the informal leader of the Teals.
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Speaker 3: A key piece of this is that Matt Kean is
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Speaker 3: very close to Malcolm Turbull. You'll recall that Keen appointed
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Speaker 3: Turnbull to be the chair of the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: government's Clean Energy Advisory Board, but political uproar saw him
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Speaker 3: rescind that offer. Now Turbull's number one enemy is Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 3: who was plotting a leadership challenge against him as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: In August twenty eighteen, my front page story revealing this
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Speaker 3: planned a challenge prompted Turbull to call a leadership spill,
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Speaker 3: and less than a week later he was no longer
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: In this new role, Matt Kean will come up against.
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, even though they've had had a good relationship
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Speaker 3: in the past. Already Today, Keen dismissed Dutton's plans for
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Speaker 3: nuclear energy.
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Speaker 5: In order to bring nuclear into the system, it would
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Speaker 5: take far too long and would be far too expensive
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Speaker 5: for New South Wales. Now, I didn't want to bankrupt
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Speaker 5: the state and I didn't want to put those huge
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Speaker 5: costs onto families.
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Speaker 3: Well, those comments came despite the fact that Matt Keane
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Speaker 3: supported nuclear energy just three years ago.
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Speaker 2: As Andrew Clenell pointed out, today, do you.
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Speaker 6: Think we'll ever have nuclear power stations in Australia?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I think so.
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Speaker 5: There's some exciting things happening on the nuclear front. So
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Speaker 5: a company in the United States is developing technology around
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Speaker 5: small modular nuclear reactors into the future, will nuclear have
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Speaker 5: a role to play? I think so and I hope so.
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Speaker 5: But right now I can't bet on technology that isn't
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Speaker 5: readily available.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 3: When he was Energy Minister in New South Wales and
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Speaker 3: also Treasurer, Matt Keen wanted to rush the closure of
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Speaker 3: the largest culified power station in the state. It was
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Speaker 3: a move that Labor Premier Chris Mins has had to reverse,
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Speaker 3: and in fact Mins is now extending the life cycle
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Speaker 3: of a rearing until twenty twenty seven just to make
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Speaker 3: sure the lights stay on. This was an extraordinary move
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Speaker 3: and it shows that Matt Keen was more radical and
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Speaker 3: more ambitious in his rush to transition to renewables than
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Speaker 3: even New South Wales Labor. This has undermined his authority
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Speaker 3: in the energy space. Now, Keen wasn't just a former
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Speaker 3: state treasurer, but until a few days ago he was
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Speaker 3: the leader of the moderate faction for the entire Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Now he's joined the enemy team Albow. The truth is
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Speaker 3: that Matt Keen is despised by many in the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party with senior figures today calling him treachery and a traitor.
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Speaker 3: But even before today's move, he was far from loyal
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Speaker 3: to the Liberal Party. During the federal election campaign, he
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Speaker 3: tried to stir up controversy for then Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 3: He texted a Channel ten journalist encouraging her to pursue
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Speaker 3: the controversy surrounding Liberal candidate Catherine Deeves. He texted the
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Speaker 3: reporter saying you should pap her. That reporter, by the way,
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Speaker 3: is now one of eleven media advisors for Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 3: Senior Liberal figures were shocked at the time that Keene
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Speaker 3: was trying to deliberately sabotage Scott Morrison's prospects in favor
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Speaker 3: of Albanesi, and then Labor premiers Mark mcgow and, Anisaja
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Speaker 3: Palische and Daniel Andrews were all out there campaigning to
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Speaker 3: help Alberzi win, and yet one of the most senior
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Speaker 3: figures in the New South Wales Liberal government was working
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Speaker 3: against his own party's prospects well. The first time Matt
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Speaker 3: Kean spoke out against the Liberal Party federally was here
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Speaker 3: on this show in twenty twenty when he accused Scott
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Speaker 3: Morrison of failing to.
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Speaker 2: Take action on climate change.
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Speaker 3: The next day, Morrison retorted that no one even knew
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Speaker 3: who Matt Kean was. Ironically, these comments made Matt Kean
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Speaker 3: a more well recognized name.
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Speaker 5: My understanding is some of the most senior members of
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Speaker 5: the government and they're not moderates, they're from the right
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Speaker 5: of the party cabinet and they are saying that this
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Speaker 5: is a huge issue cabnet in cabinet. Absolutely, And can
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Speaker 5: I just say, Sherry, I mean this is because their
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Speaker 5: communities are crying out.
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Speaker 7: They're listening to.
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Speaker 5: The majority of people in their electorates that are saying,
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Speaker 5: we want you to protect our environment, but we don't
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Speaker 5: want you to do it in a way that's going
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Speaker 5: to destroy our economy.
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Speaker 8: Mc keen doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't
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Speaker 8: know what's going on in the federal cabinet. Most of
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Speaker 8: the federal cabinet wouldn't even know who Matt key was.
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Speaker 3: The biggest mistake when it comes to energy policy in
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Speaker 3: Australia is that it's been driven by ideology over.
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Speaker 2: And above energy security or cost.
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has suggested nuclear energy form part of the
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Speaker 3: energy mix, not all of it. But in recent days
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Speaker 3: we've seen a farcical display of Labour rejecting nuclear energy
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Speaker 3: because of ridiculous suggestions of three eyed.
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Speaker 2: Fish and three eyed koalas.
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Speaker 3: This line of attack only diminishes Labour's credibility. If there
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Speaker 3: is a serious objection to nuclear well let's hear it,
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Speaker 3: let's have the debate. But so far Albanezi's resistance to
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Speaker 3: pursuing nuclear as part of the energy solution is ideological
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Speaker 3: because he himself has been against nuclear policy for.
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Speaker 2: Almost as long as he's been in Parliament. The times
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Speaker 2: have moved on.
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Speaker 3: Thirty two countries internationally now rely on nuclear energy. Polling
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Speaker 3: shows Australians are open to the nuclear conversation and even
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Speaker 3: our UCAS submarine's are nuclear powered. With all of this
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Speaker 3: in mind, Matt Keane will be a useless weapon if
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Speaker 3: Labor tries to use him against Dutton.
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Speaker 2: In the lead up to the next election.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 3: Also coming up on the show tonight, the University of
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Speaker 3: Sydney under fire for appeasing extremist fringe groups. The former
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Speaker 3: Deputy Commonwealth DPP and one of the country's most formidable.
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Speaker 2: Crime fighters will join Me live to discuss this.
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Speaker 3: Also the failure of law enforcement to protect Australians, plus
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Speaker 3: how Albinizi is using Victoria as a dumping ground for
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Speaker 3: his bigger Australia migration policies, and the eye watering pay
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Speaker 3: rise Albo has given to his left wing mate, the
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Speaker 3: new Governor General. How can he possibly defe and this
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Speaker 3: pay rise during the cost of living crisis. But first,
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Speaker 3: now let's bring in tonight's panel Sky News contributed Joe
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Speaker 3: Hildebrand and host Listora great Casino. Now, I just want
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Speaker 3: to add to this a couple of extra points that
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Speaker 3: I've learned tonight during my many phone.
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Speaker 2: Calls on this matter.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, it looks like the Liberal Party is not going
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Speaker 3: to expel Matt Kean. The Liberal Party needs his support.
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Speaker 3: They think they need his support for the upcoming by
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Speaker 3: election in his own seat. Meanwhile, Peter Dutton's office doesn't
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Speaker 3: think this is such a terrible move to have Matt
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Speaker 3: Keen in this role.
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Speaker 2: They say that.
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Speaker 3: He's so that the people who know him dislike him,
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Speaker 3: that he's unpopular, and that having him on the side
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Speaker 3: of Albo won't help their case. Pretty much in the
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Speaker 3: same way that having Chris Bowen as Energy Minister also
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Speaker 3: diminishes their case because he is so strongly disliked.
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Speaker 2: Liz, what do you think about this? I mean, Australians
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Speaker 2: haven't warmed to Matt Kean.
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Speaker 3: There were multiple policy failures in New South Wales. Chrismins
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Speaker 3: has had to reverse the closure or delay the closure
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Speaker 3: a wearing. So it is a curious decision and it
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Speaker 3: looks like Labor thought it was just being too smart
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Speaker 3: to make this.
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Speaker 9: Move, too smart by half. They're like, look, we've got
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Speaker 9: to live on side. He's going to be heading it up. Now,
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Speaker 9: look at this independent body. Look perhaps it was a
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Speaker 9: bit of stroke of genius on their part, because that
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Speaker 9: does now look quite bipartisan. But Matt Kean has been
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Speaker 9: the left of the party for a very long time.
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Speaker 9: I know you said he used to head up the moderates.
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Speaker 9: I think there are a lot of moderates who would disagree.
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Speaker 2: With that, even if that was his official position.
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Speaker 9: I think that this is a perfect appointment for Labor.
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Speaker 9: This is where Keen has always belonged, heading.
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Speaker 2: Up the climate communism Authority. It's a hand in glove appointment.
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Speaker 9: But what I can't get over is how quickly he's
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Speaker 9: just switched from being re elected doing his thing to
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Speaker 9: just stepping out the door for a by election because
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Speaker 9: he's got a better offer. Basically, well, people.
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Speaker 3: It depends on the timing, and there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: thought that this was a very last minute appointment that
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Speaker 3: he announced his restoration to join the private sector. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, on Tuesday, I think, and by the way,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of inside speculation that Matt Kean might
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Speaker 3: go work with Malcolm Turbull.
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Speaker 2: He's got a renewable energy company.
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Speaker 3: Malcolm Turbull and Lucy Turbull were at Matt Kean's valedictory speech,
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Speaker 3: so there's a lot of speculation he might go join
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Speaker 3: the Turbules.
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Speaker 2: But do you find that hard to believe?
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Speaker 7: Though?
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Speaker 8: Don't you?
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Speaker 9: Resigns like less than a week ago and says it's
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Speaker 9: to join the private sector.
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Speaker 2: And within a week.
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Speaker 9: He's just got this amazing opportunity and he's off work.
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Speaker 10: It's perfectly possible.
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Speaker 9: It's not saying it's impossible, but it's a bit hard
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Speaker 9: to swallow, I think, and what to say that back? Yet,
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Speaker 9: now we've got to fork out for a by election.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy who ran.
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Speaker 9: Obviously, when you run, you're promising your elector. I'm going
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Speaker 9: to stick.
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Speaker 2: That sort of stuff happens all the time. It leaves
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Speaker 2: for a better role.
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Speaker 10: I think the problem is, firstly, Matt Kean announced his
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Speaker 10: resignation from the Parliament on the day of the New
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Speaker 10: South Wales state budget that was handled down by Daniel Wokingham,
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Speaker 10: magnificent human being. They of Crispians, Daniel and Preuka, and
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Speaker 10: that was seen very much among the New South Wales
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Speaker 10: right of the Labor Party as a real sort of
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Speaker 10: dog act to sort of you know, look at me,
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Speaker 10: look at me, trying to divert all the attention to him,
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Speaker 10: as as Matt Kean is wont to do at a
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Speaker 10: time when the New South Wales government has delivered five
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Speaker 10: billion in social housing, something no one can actually remember doing,
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Speaker 10: probably the best state budget I've ever seen anyway, point
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Speaker 10: bing I talked to a lot of people in the
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Speaker 10: Labor Player that night and the idea that if that
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Speaker 10: had been known, that had been known that Matt Kean
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Speaker 10: was about to take up a cushy labor job federally
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Speaker 10: on the day it was doing that. You know, these
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Speaker 10: guys are very very sensible, practical, calm and common sense people,
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Speaker 10: but there would have been a riot. People would have been.
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Speaker 11: So is why they.
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Speaker 3: That tells you how the sense I've got, but you know,
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Speaker 3: I haven't confirmed it yet, but the sense I've got
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Speaker 3: is that this is a last minute thought bubble. A
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Speaker 3: captain speaker Albourne Easy was taken to cabinet.
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Speaker 2: At the last minute.
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Speaker 3: Was asked about this today whether it was a captain's pick,
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Speaker 3: and he just said, I went through the usual processes,
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Speaker 3: which meant presumably that it was taken to cabinet, but
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Speaker 3: then also that is to.
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Speaker 2: Assume, but no particular changing.
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Speaker 8: I thought.
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Speaker 10: I thought, without knowing this is coming up, didn't didn't
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Speaker 10: go through the usual process of applying for it was
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Speaker 10: a captain spicking in the sense that Chris Bowen said,
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Speaker 10: I want Matt Kean cabinet, mean, all right, there, you
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Speaker 10: can have it. Okay, what single vote does this shift?
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Speaker 7: Like?
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Speaker 10: How does this shift the debate on climate? Is anyone
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Speaker 10: going to say, oh, I was a climate skeptic, but
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Speaker 10: now Matt Kean's on board suddenly I believe? Of course not,
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Speaker 10: you know, do people people who already believe in climate
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Speaker 10: change and want strong action and not the government's problem.
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Speaker 10: So they're just preaching to the choir with Matt Kean without.
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Speaker 2: Bringing anyone of believing in climate change.
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Speaker 10: I mean believing in believing in the extent of the
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Speaker 10: action managed the point, the point being instead of having
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Speaker 10: someone who is, you know, someone who is extremely an
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Speaker 10: openly non partisan, someone who is perhaps a bit of
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Speaker 10: a surprise someone would I wouldn't have thought they were
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Speaker 10: all in on it, you know, like a leading business
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Speaker 10: figure or someone like that could say, right, I'm just
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Speaker 10: going to run the ruler over the economics of this
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Speaker 10: action and tell you why a nuclear doesn't stack up
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Speaker 10: or be okay renewable.
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Speaker 3: We look at this amazing story Labor proposing a whipping
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars pay rise for the
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Speaker 3: new Governor General sound Mustin, who is a mate of Albanesi's,
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Speaker 3: So this would take her salary from four hundred and
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Speaker 3: ninety five thousand dollars, already huge, to seven hundred and
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Speaker 3: nine thousand dollars. No reason has been given for why
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Speaker 3: sam Musten would need a pay rise like this to
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Speaker 3: do the Governor general's job doesn't seem like an arduous job.
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Speaker 3: You wear nice clothes and go to opening ceremonies and
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Speaker 3: you could say, well, is their gender parity here, She's
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Speaker 3: been given a two hundred grand increase for the same
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Speaker 3: job that a bloke was doing.
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Speaker 2: Interesting point, Liz, but ultimately.
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Speaker 3: Australians will hate this during a cost of living crisis
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: And as you've already.
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Speaker 9: Said, this is a figurehead more than anything else. The
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Speaker 9: Governor General doesn't exactly do all that really important pressing matters.
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Speaker 9: They show up to things, they cut ribbons, they press
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Speaker 9: the flesh.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty much the job in a nutshell.
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Speaker 9: I understand that they're saying this this rise has something
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Speaker 9: to do with the fact that she won't be eligible
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Speaker 9: for a pension, which the role used to be et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So they're now trying to compensate for that.
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Speaker 9: But when you know that it's a rather short term anyway,
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Speaker 9: you don't get to become gg forever.
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Speaker 2: There literally is no proper I.
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Speaker 9: Don't think there is a reason that they could give
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Speaker 9: that the Australian public would be happening.
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Speaker 10: We have been five years on almost half a million bucks,
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Speaker 10: so she would have pocketed two point five mil by
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Speaker 10: the end of her term. So I reckon you could
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Speaker 10: probably get by on that. I mean again, it's just
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Speaker 10: another terrible look. You can't defend it again. Turn it down,
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Speaker 10: right labor government again, just to bring it back to
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Speaker 10: what the sensible right does in the party. Have all
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Speaker 10: given all MPs, all ministers wage freezes. They're not getting
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Speaker 10: any wage rise at all. That's another thing that was
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Speaker 10: in this budget that Matt Kein tried to distract from. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 10: you've got federal politicians still trousering pay rises, and then
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Speaker 10: you've got this. How do you defend that? It's like
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Speaker 10: this is like again, it's like the screen of Pillar
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Speaker 10: in the Simpsons. It's like a creature that wants to die.
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Speaker 10: I don't know why she should do not know why
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Speaker 10: labor keeps making these kinds of.
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Speaker 2: Decisions that she should turn it down.
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Speaker 3: She probably demanded it, you know, when they offered her
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Speaker 3: the job. She probably said, I'll only do it for
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Speaker 3: seven hundred grand I mean, you don't just voluntarily increase
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Speaker 3: someone salary.
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Speaker 10: Back to I cannot imagine. I can't imagine why when
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Speaker 10: say absolutely not, that is not that is demeaning to
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Speaker 10: this role. If you're even asking for that.
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Speaker 9: I wonder if you want to be the all Australians
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Speaker 9: hate as well.
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Speaker 2: You just feel like you.
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Speaker 9: And that's fetching more than the Prime Minister himself.
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Speaker 2: You can't tell me that.
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Speaker 7: The role is.
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Speaker 10: More stressful or more bigger house in Camber. She's got
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Speaker 10: a bigger house in Sydney. She's got two and a
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Speaker 10: half million. You're asking for my I mean, I.
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Speaker 2: Just how do youredible?
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Speaker 10: How do you go to sleep at night thinking this
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Speaker 10: is an okay thing to do?
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Speaker 3: This next story, a Downing report today reveals that Victoria
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Speaker 3: is taking in.
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Speaker 2: According to the report, too many imrants.
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Speaker 3: This is noting the huge costs of trying to keep
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Speaker 3: up with infrastructure, roads, public transport, schools and hospitals could
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Speaker 3: see the Victorian government face yet another financial disaster.
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Speaker 2: Already, debt levels are extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: But Liz the Home Affairs Minister Clara Neil has repeatedly
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Speaker 3: said that she was going to scale back on migration.
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Speaker 2: But it just hasn't happened.
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Speaker 9: No, It's been eight months since Labor promised it and
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Speaker 9: we haven't seen anything of the sort. So I'm glad
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Speaker 9: someone's sounding the bell in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But the truth is the same is to go for every.
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Speaker 9: Single certainly Eastern state, unless you're sending these in these
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Speaker 9: newcomers somewhere rural where we've got I don't know, jobs
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Speaker 9: that they can feel that need doing. But we already
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Speaker 9: know even that isn't happening. We are allowing these masses
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Speaker 9: of people in. There seems to be no comprehensive system
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Speaker 9: by which we go.
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Speaker 2: These are the skills we need.
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Speaker 9: These are the skills you've got, and we're.
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Speaker 1: Sending you to we system.
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Speaker 9: It's happening.
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Speaker 11: Joe's not to catch up, to.
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Speaker 10: Catch up after we literally zero people in during the
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Speaker 10: COVID years and now there was a big there was
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Speaker 10: a big spike to sort of play catch up with that,
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Speaker 10: and that was the half million that got everyone's scared.
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Speaker 10: And now it's coming and now it's coming down to
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Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty thounds. So it is coming down,
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Speaker 10: but it comes down year by years, not that someone
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Speaker 10: just comes out and says, right, and that's it. Someone
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Speaker 10: just does a little ball, you know, draws up a
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Speaker 10: little red rope at the airport, says sorry, no more
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Speaker 10: people coming in.
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Speaker 2: This is ten thousand a week.
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Speaker 10: Joe, Yes, I know.
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Speaker 8: That was.
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Speaker 10: Five hundred thousand divided by.
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Speaker 9: Fifty years it's not coming down, coming down into years.
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Speaker 10: That's what that's Exactually, what I'm saying, understand them is now.
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Speaker 1: Shortage of time.
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Speaker 3: They never took to the election a big migration policy.
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Speaker 3: This wasn't disclosed to Australians, and the pace both instruction
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Speaker 3: hasn't kept up with it.
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Speaker 2: And that's ultimately we've.
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Speaker 10: Got a shortage of we've got a shortage of construction workers.
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Speaker 9: You bring here, you've got to give them house and
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Speaker 9: we already know due to we talked.
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Speaker 2: About this the other week, Joe.
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Speaker 9: On the list of skills, they've left out important skills.
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Speaker 10: That also presumably because they think, well, we don't actually
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Speaker 10: have a shortage in these particular fields, but in things
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Speaker 10: like plumber's electricians are the other fields that you need
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Speaker 10: to build houses, we don't have enough to keep up
19:18
Speaker 10: with demand. And again say to Blue in the face,
19:21
Speaker 10: the reason why developers stop building houses because they thought
19:23
Speaker 10: there's no more migrants coming, so there's not going to
19:25
Speaker 10: be a demand. So this is not a black and
19:27
Speaker 10: white issue. You ask anybody who's.
19:29
Speaker 3: Certainly not that black and white housing crisis even without
19:32
Speaker 3: the migration.
19:33
Speaker 2: Not white. It's construction with stuff.
19:35
Speaker 3: But we are out of time, Joe hud Brand Lizta,
19:39
Speaker 3: thank you both very much. Coming up, a former Deputy
19:42
Speaker 3: Commonwealth GPP will speak out about the failure of law
19:46
Speaker 3: enforcement to protect Australians from violent and aggressive pro Palestinian
19:52
Speaker 3: protesters and the government's not so new climate change star
19:56
Speaker 3: Well after the break the reason the Liberal Party doesn't
19:59
Speaker 3: want to spell him despite some pushing for it and
20:03
Speaker 3: accusing him of treachery.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: Working on this next story today really upset me. Some
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Speaker 3: members of the University of Sydney encampment were reportedly members
20:19
Speaker 3: of an extreme Islamist group, his Butteria, which is categorized
20:23
Speaker 3: as a terror organization in the UK. The group held
20:27
Speaker 3: a press conference on Friday night in which they chanted
20:31
Speaker 3: Ali Wakba, the phrase that has been used as a
20:34
Speaker 3: battle cry at least twenty times.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at.
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Speaker 3: It went on and on, and they were celebrating in
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Speaker 3: that press conference. They were boasting because the University of
21:04
Speaker 3: Sydney had made a deal with that fringe group who
21:07
Speaker 3: will now be privy to the University of Sydney's defense
21:10
Speaker 3: and security related research activities online and here they were
21:15
Speaker 3: boasting all about it.
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Speaker 12: The Muslim Encampment led by SUMSA is probably the largest,
21:22
Speaker 12: most active and longest lasting part of the encampment. United
21:27
Speaker 12: factions previously thought would never be united came together. We
21:32
Speaker 12: brought numbers in the front laws of the quadrangle we
21:34
Speaker 12: thought we'd never see outside of Erwig. It is the
21:37
Speaker 12: witnessing of such abhorren crimes that ignited the flame of
21:41
Speaker 12: activism within us, and it is that flame that eventually
21:45
Speaker 12: led us to negotiate with the highest executives of this university,
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Speaker 12: including the University of Sydney by Chancellor and President Mark Scott.
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Speaker 3: They spoke about Islamophobia in that press conference, no mention
21:59
Speaker 3: of anti semity. They spoke, as you just heard about
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Speaker 3: abhorrent atrocities, no mention of October seven attacks. And there
22:08
Speaker 3: was rightful criticism today of the University of Sydney Vice
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Speaker 3: Chancellor Mark Scott doing this deal with groups that are
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Speaker 3: linked to his book to Rear. The Strategic Analysis Australia
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Speaker 3: Director Peter Jennings said this is yet another example of
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Speaker 3: poor quality university leadership in Australia. The Shadow Home Affairs
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Speaker 3: spokesman James Patterson said the deal was a pathetic capitulation
22:34
Speaker 3: grossly irresponsible and raises very real questions about whether the
22:39
Speaker 3: university can be relied on to conduct sensitive national security
22:43
Speaker 3: and defense research funded by taxpayers. Ray Hadley on two
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Speaker 3: GB also criticized it strongly on air today.
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Speaker 8: The most One Students Dociation earlier on Friday said that
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Speaker 8: defiance of the university orders to vacate had worked in
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Speaker 8: their favor across many fronts, mostarticularly being the catalyst for
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Speaker 8: negotiations with the YUNI and the University of Sydney have
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Speaker 8: hideously capitulated and done a deal with a group dominated
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Speaker 8: by his butt Teria, an organization prescribed as a terrorist
23:10
Speaker 8: organization in match of the world, including the UK, as
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Speaker 8: I said, in an earlier lifetime, Mark Scott would have
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Speaker 8: been front and center with a headdress on, screaming and
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Speaker 8: yelling and waving placards.
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Speaker 3: And as your recall, Mark Scott in his previous role
23:24
Speaker 3: was the head of the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Now that group itself.
23:29
Speaker 3: The Muslim Students Association responded to claims on social media
23:34
Speaker 3: that it was linked to his book to Reer, but
23:37
Speaker 3: in its response it didn't actually deny that some of
23:40
Speaker 3: their members were linked to his book.
23:42
Speaker 2: Terrier have a look and.
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Speaker 12: De were relentless attack and flag from dementary media that
23:47
Speaker 12: were often clutching its draws to dear legitimize any true
23:51
Speaker 12: efforts for Palestinian resistance. They tried to associate his with
23:56
Speaker 12: the head as a scapegoat to push a pro Zionus agenda,
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Speaker 12: with sixty minutes directly saying that Chief Ibrahim de Burn
24:04
Speaker 12: is a hate preacher for calling for the end of Zionism,
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Speaker 12: and there.
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Speaker 2: Were other similar posts.
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Speaker 3: Now the University of Sydney needs to come out publicly
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Speaker 3: and clearly explain if it has done a deal with
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Speaker 3: an extremist group and what checks, if any, it took
24:24
Speaker 3: to make sure this wasn't the case.
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Speaker 2: Or doesn't Mark Scott.
24:27
Speaker 3: Care if he's capitulated to a group where some of
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Speaker 3: its members are part of his book career classified as
24:35
Speaker 3: a terrorist organization in other parts of the world. Well,
24:39
Speaker 3: it seems the university is more concerned with appeasing extremist
24:43
Speaker 3: fringe groups, some of whose members have on social media
24:47
Speaker 3: deny that October seven atrocities took place at all, and
24:52
Speaker 3: meanwhile anti Semitism surges. The university is an unsafe place
24:57
Speaker 3: for young Jewish students and the university leadership just turns
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Speaker 3: the other way, doesn't care, doesn't return the phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Of Jewish leaders.
25:09
Speaker 3: It's this inaction that is making life so unsafe for Australians, including.
25:13
Speaker 2: Jews who just want to get an education.
25:17
Speaker 3: Now, one person who has written a powerful piece against
25:21
Speaker 3: the lack of leadership we're seeing across the board is
25:24
Speaker 3: the former Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions for the Commonwealth
25:28
Speaker 3: and he was also a member of the National Crime Authority,
25:31
Speaker 3: Mark Legrant, and he joins me live now. Mark, thank
25:35
Speaker 3: you very much for your time. Now, you've written an
25:38
Speaker 3: incredible piece in The Australian.
25:40
Speaker 2: You have shown leadership on this.
25:42
Speaker 3: You said while this jew hatred is accelerating and hurtling
25:46
Speaker 3: towards a disaster, there is scarant leadership to combat it.
25:50
Speaker 3: And you've said that to avoid a future tragedy, Albanezi
25:53
Speaker 3: must act with commitment, vigor and courage. What do you
25:59
Speaker 3: think the response ability is here for the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 7: Well, thank you, Shari. The Prime Minister's responsibility is clear
26:14
Speaker 7: under the Australian Constitution. He leads the government and as
26:20
Speaker 7: Prime Minister he's required to deliver peace, order and good government.
26:29
Speaker 7: This part of good government is upholding the rule of law.
26:35
Speaker 7: The rule of law requires that all our people be
26:41
Speaker 7: treated equally, and it's clear that he's failing in that duty. Yes,
26:49
Speaker 7: since the horrific events of the seventh of October last year,
26:59
Speaker 7: nine months of Alps in which there's been accelerating abuse
27:05
Speaker 7: of the Jewish citizens of our country, They've suffered horrific abuse,
27:13
Speaker 7: They've suffered violence, they've suffered vandalism to their businesses, they
27:19
Speaker 7: have suffered being having their children excluded from university campuses,
27:26
Speaker 7: and effectively nothing has been done. The government, to beyond
27:32
Speaker 7: a few platitudes, has done nothing. The police, state and
27:41
Speaker 7: federal I'm not aware of any substantial charges that have been
27:46
Speaker 7: laid in that time. And as a result, there's no deterrence.
27:52
Speaker 7: The activity is green lighted and it continues and accelerates
27:57
Speaker 7: and becomes more serious. Unless something happens soon, some real
28:06
Speaker 7: tragedy is going to occur. And I'm not just speculating
28:11
Speaker 7: because Australia has faced situations like this in the past,
28:16
Speaker 7: and for instance with the issue between the criots and
28:22
Speaker 7: the Serbs in the sixties seventies. But then leadership was
28:29
Speaker 7: given from the Whitlam government and Attorney General Murphy who
28:37
Speaker 7: said you do not bring your ancient hatreds to this
28:41
Speaker 7: country and set about a strong and effective program of
28:48
Speaker 7: law enforcement to stamp it out. It took some time,
28:52
Speaker 7: but eventually that occurred.
28:55
Speaker 2: Very powerful response there. You're worried that a tragedy might happen.
28:59
Speaker 3: You say, we're seeing platitudes instead of any substantial policy action.
29:06
Speaker 2: Why do you think, I mean.
29:08
Speaker 3: You've been involved, Marc Legrand, in Royal commissions, in senior
29:13
Speaker 3: investigative task forces.
29:15
Speaker 2: Why do you.
29:16
Speaker 3: Think we haven't seen law enforcement use the laws that
29:21
Speaker 3: are available to them to actually stop the violence that's
29:26
Speaker 3: being unleashed on our streets.
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Speaker 7: It staggers me. I've worked with law enforcement in various
29:37
Speaker 7: capacities for four decades and some of the finest people
29:42
Speaker 7: I've met in some of the most dedicated, have been
29:46
Speaker 7: law enforcement officers. And I just can't understand how for
29:52
Speaker 7: the last nine months, effectively not a finger has been
29:57
Speaker 7: lifted to pursue the people who are perpetrating these actions
30:03
Speaker 7: against our Jewish Australians. The horrific hate preachiness coming out
30:10
Speaker 7: of West Western Sydney. It's clearly contrary to law. But
30:15
Speaker 7: nothing happens. Now. I've worked sufficiently closely with police, from
30:22
Speaker 7: police commissioners down to officers in the field to know
30:26
Speaker 7: that that is not their determination. They're not going to
30:32
Speaker 7: wholesalely decide not to enforce the criminal law. They're getting
30:38
Speaker 7: a message from up the line, from government, through the
30:44
Speaker 7: police minister, through the premiere, or through whoever is the
30:49
Speaker 7: senior public servant, carrying the message that they're not to
30:54
Speaker 7: action these laws. The police are not going to make
30:56
Speaker 7: that determination themselves. The police, left to their own devices,
31:01
Speaker 7: would enforce the law. But it's clear to me that
31:07
Speaker 7: they'll deny it. They'll deny it vehemently, and you won't
31:11
Speaker 7: find any record of it. It'll be verbally delivered. But
31:16
Speaker 7: I can assure you that's what's happening. And you ask why, well,
31:22
Speaker 7: I can speculate, as you can speculate. But I've heard
31:29
Speaker 7: people speculate that that's because of the Muslim vote in
31:33
Speaker 7: certain electorates. I hope when not become so venal that
31:38
Speaker 7: that's the case. I've heard that. You know, it's the
31:43
Speaker 7: whole mantra of the Neo Marxists of oppress and oppressor
31:48
Speaker 7: flying for our universities. I don't know. I do know
31:53
Speaker 7: that there is a dark anti Semitic side of the
31:57
Speaker 7: union movement, and that was clear from the AC two
32:01
Speaker 7: US statement on the twenty second of April. That was
32:06
Speaker 7: really quite scandalous in the way it were slanted against
32:11
Speaker 7: what happened on the seventh of October last year and
32:15
Speaker 7: what happened since. But I can only speculate, as you
32:20
Speaker 7: can only speculate.
32:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but still a part Stage one were you
32:25
Speaker 3: that you believe law enforcement would like to take action
32:28
Speaker 3: and there's been a message given to them not to
32:32
Speaker 3: take action. Marc Leground, just before you go, I want
32:35
Speaker 3: to ask you about you know what I spoke about
32:38
Speaker 3: in the introduction to your interview, the anti semitism on
32:42
Speaker 3: university campuses, how it's allowed to go unchecked, the capitulation
32:46
Speaker 3: to extremist groups. I mean, Mark, we have seen Iran
32:50
Speaker 3: and Hamas back in these university protesters globally. I mean,
32:55
Speaker 3: what do you think of the inaction from university leadership
32:58
Speaker 3: that we're seeing on this matter.
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Speaker 7: What I saw come out of Sydney University today is insane.
33:09
Speaker 7: Now I withdraw that is sinister and it's treacherous. I mean,
33:15
Speaker 7: let's see what power you've given to people influenced by Pittsburgh,
33:20
Speaker 7: Teria declared terrorist organizations in other countries, and as you say,
33:28
Speaker 7: the support that these protests are getting from Hamas and
33:34
Speaker 7: the greatest state sponsor of terrorism, Irun, and the agreement
33:42
Speaker 7: is that there will be disclosing details of defense and
33:46
Speaker 7: security related research and investments. One has to wonder what's
33:52
Speaker 7: happened to our country. This is just insane.
33:57
Speaker 3: It is indeed, Marc Legrand, thank you for speaking out.
34:01
Speaker 3: Thank you for caring about this issue. That is one
34:05
Speaker 3: of the best interviews, one of the strongest interventions in
34:08
Speaker 3: this public debate that I've seen from such a credible
34:12
Speaker 3: and highly regarded figure. Thank you very much for coming
34:16
Speaker 3: on this program tonight in this first interview.
34:19
Speaker 2: Really appreciated and I hope you will.
34:21
Speaker 3: Continue speaking out and that your colleagues will do the same.
34:27
Speaker 7: I hope so too. Thanks sir, Arry, Thank you.
34:32
Speaker 3: Now let's look at nuclear now. But it wasn't he impressive?
34:35
Speaker 3: That was incredible? Really really was now.
34:39
Speaker 2: A new resolve.
34:40
Speaker 3: Political monitor Pole found that forty one percent of voters
34:43
Speaker 3: back nuclear as an energy source, thirty seven percent reject it.
34:48
Speaker 2: But then there was around thirty.
34:50
Speaker 3: Percent of people who said they didn't have a strong
34:52
Speaker 3: view and would consider the idea. It's those thirty percent
34:56
Speaker 3: that Dutton is trying to target with his message.
35:00
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Daily.
35:01
Speaker 3: Telegraph reports exclusive polling that indicates six in ten Australian
35:05
Speaker 3: support nuclear energy. Joining me now to discuss this is
35:08
Speaker 3: The Australian's.
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Speaker 2: Environment editor Graham. Lloyd Graham, good to see you.
35:13
Speaker 3: Look, do you think there is support or potentially that
35:19
Speaker 3: the support is trending in the right direction for Peter
35:22
Speaker 3: Dutton when it comes to nuclear energy. I mean it
35:25
Speaker 3: has already increased from when he started discussing this about
35:29
Speaker 3: eight months ago.
35:32
Speaker 11: That drug good evening, Charri.
35:35
Speaker 4: Certainly the poles have been fairly consistent around the world
35:40
Speaker 4: that people are far more likely to consider nuclear power
35:45
Speaker 4: and if you like, this reflects that people have sort
35:47
Speaker 4: of got over the seventies attitude towards it, which was
35:52
Speaker 4: really bound up in nuclear armament and other things, and
35:56
Speaker 4: they're far more likely to give it a look. Sixty
36:01
Speaker 4: percent is a fairly respectable starting point for Peter Dutton.
36:06
Speaker 4: It's the margin that was there in the referendum and
36:10
Speaker 4: it really represents a sort of main view if you like.
36:16
Speaker 4: The challenge, of course is going to be maintaining that
36:20
Speaker 4: level of support or building on it as the campaign
36:24
Speaker 4: gets bogged down. But I think one of the key
36:27
Speaker 4: lessons from it is that it shows how misguided Labour's
36:32
Speaker 4: initial response with cartoons of three eyed fish and that
36:36
Speaker 4: sort of thing really was. People are taking a much
36:41
Speaker 4: more grown up view of the debate than that. I
36:46
Speaker 4: think they see how important it is to get energy
36:49
Speaker 4: right and they're prepared to consider something that is being
36:53
Speaker 4: used in other places. So it will be fascinating how
36:58
Speaker 4: those polls develop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right.
37:00
Speaker 3: I think people are tuning into the debate and saying,
37:01
Speaker 3: all right, let's have a look at this. If this
37:03
Speaker 3: is what Dartan's proposing, it would be a major change
37:06
Speaker 3: for Australia. So what are the objections to it? And
37:09
Speaker 3: as far as I can see, Labor hasn't articulated any
37:12
Speaker 3: credible objections. They're saying it will be too expensive. But
37:16
Speaker 3: then the opposition today said to label, well how much
37:19
Speaker 3: will your renewable energy policy cost? And there were no
37:22
Speaker 3: answers there either.
37:24
Speaker 2: And Graham, you know, what do you think about this debate?
37:27
Speaker 3: That it comes down to overcost and also Albanize's use
37:31
Speaker 3: of Matt Kean to try win over the public.
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Speaker 11: Well, there's a lot happening there, isn't there.
37:38
Speaker 4: It's really come down to a fight over the cost
37:41
Speaker 4: of doing things, which really is a bit of a
37:44
Speaker 4: fake argument, because the argument that you want to have
37:47
Speaker 4: is what's going to work, what's going to work best,
37:50
Speaker 4: and what's going to deliver at the best price. Both
37:54
Speaker 4: sides now seem quite confused about what their proposals will
38:01
Speaker 4: actually cost taxpayers. There's no clear line from the government
38:04
Speaker 4: on what it's going to be. In fact, there's no
38:06
Speaker 4: clear explanation on how it's going to work for many reasons.
38:12
Speaker 4: The opposition isn't able to cost its nuclear program, but
38:17
Speaker 4: in a way, the nuclear cost is going to come
38:20
Speaker 4: down to how much it saves on spending on other things.
38:24
Speaker 4: So this is a big forensic debate that has to
38:28
Speaker 4: be had, and the polls are showing people are up
38:31
Speaker 4: to listening to it. We're seeing, I think, with the
38:35
Speaker 4: appointment of ma Kean today a bit of political opportunism
38:40
Speaker 4: on the part of the government. I think they thought
38:42
Speaker 4: they could get a sort of change the story of
38:45
Speaker 4: the day with this and sort of try and blindside
38:48
Speaker 4: the opposition. But nobody would be surprised that ma Kean
38:53
Speaker 4: has these views. I think he's been compromised on day
38:57
Speaker 4: one by standing up and mouthing effectively the government's talking points.
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Speaker 11: All right, and the challenge is that.
39:05
Speaker 2: Graeme Lloyd the challenges.
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Speaker 11: It doesn't turn it to a no, thank you.
39:10
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time. Apologies for cutting
39:13
Speaker 3: you off there. I was just trying to wrap up
39:14
Speaker 3: the conversation where out of time after the break Labor
39:18
Speaker 3: and Pet Daniel Molina would join me. His office was
39:20
Speaker 3: trashed twice by vandals. Plus, I'm going to ask my
39:23
Speaker 3: political panel about the story breaking tonight.
39:26
Speaker 2: On Peter Dutton's son. Stay tuned, welcome back well.
39:35
Speaker 3: The Herald Sun has obtained an image of Peter Dutton's
39:38
Speaker 3: son holding a bag containing what appears to be a
39:42
Speaker 3: small amount of white powder. The Herald Sun and other
39:46
Speaker 3: newscop papers are reporting that an image of the eighteen
39:48
Speaker 3: year old was posted to social media with the caption
39:51
Speaker 3: birthday treat. However, there's no suggestion the white substance is drugs.
39:57
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's office issued a one sentence statement saying this
40:00
Speaker 3: is a private matter for the Dutton family. Joining me
40:03
Speaker 3: now Tonight's political panel Labor politician Daniel Malino and Liberal
40:07
Speaker 3: Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 2: Holly, what's your response to tonight's report.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think it's journalism and it's grubbiest. The one
40:17
Speaker 13: thing about politicians is our families should be off limits.
40:22
Speaker 13: I've got teenage children. I would never want them to
40:25
Speaker 13: go through something like this. It's just grubby, and I
40:29
Speaker 13: think Pet's right, it's a matter for the family. It
40:32
Speaker 13: obviously looks like a joke photo. It doesn't look like
40:35
Speaker 13: something serious. And you know, I just think targeting people's
40:39
Speaker 13: kids where the politicians, where we sign up for this,
40:43
Speaker 13: our family are conscripts to it, and I just really
40:46
Speaker 13: think it's quite grubby.
40:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel, what do you think I mean?
40:50
Speaker 3: As Holly says, traditionally, family are off limits when it
40:54
Speaker 3: comes to political attacks.
40:56
Speaker 2: Is Labor going to pursue Dutton over this?
41:00
Speaker 7: Well?
41:00
Speaker 6: Actually, I was just going to say, Wholly just stole
41:02
Speaker 6: one of my lines, which is the volunteer conscript concept.
41:06
Speaker 6: But I think that's exactly right. Look, I think Australia's
41:09
Speaker 6: had a worthwhile and a broadly complied with line dividing
41:13
Speaker 6: line where we don't comment on family matters. And I think,
41:17
Speaker 6: particularly in this day and age where we've got the
41:19
Speaker 6: rise of social media and all sorts of exposure of
41:23
Speaker 6: people at the edges of politics, I think it's really
41:26
Speaker 6: important that we don't cross that. Look my arguments with
41:30
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's policies, and I won't go beyond that and
41:33
Speaker 6: comment on anything else.
41:35
Speaker 3: Look, we don't know if it's real or not, or
41:37
Speaker 3: any circumstances, but you know, if it is what it seems,
41:41
Speaker 3: and it's just every parent's worst nightmare. Now let's return
41:46
Speaker 3: to the political fight today over nuclear and the cheapest
41:50
Speaker 3: form of energy. Both parties are attacking the other over
41:55
Speaker 3: what their costs would be. Albinizi has also remained silent
41:59
Speaker 3: on what his twenty thirty five emissions reduction target would be,
42:02
Speaker 3: while at the same time attacking the coalition for not
42:06
Speaker 3: revealing what their twenty thirty target would be. Holly, how
42:10
Speaker 3: do you think this debate is playing out.
42:14
Speaker 7: Well?
42:14
Speaker 13: Not well for the Albanese government because the costings of
42:18
Speaker 13: one point five trivion actually come from the University of
42:21
Speaker 13: Queensland and another a number of overseas universities that conducted
42:26
Speaker 13: a study into the full cost of what renewables were
42:29
Speaker 13: going to be, but also included the transmission lines. And
42:33
Speaker 13: this has been something that's been missing when the Albanese
42:36
Speaker 13: government talks about renewable energy and their cost because in
42:40
Speaker 13: their bible, that is the gen Costs Review, they factor
42:45
Speaker 13: in no costs of building transmission lines. They took nothing
42:49
Speaker 13: about distribution because in their mind they had it as
42:53
Speaker 13: a sunk cost that they had already been built and
42:56
Speaker 13: already been paid for, which we all know is not
42:59
Speaker 13: the So when they're bleeding about eight billion for a
43:05
Speaker 13: nuclear power plant versus one point five trillion for renewals
43:10
Speaker 13: that require a new grid, something nuclear does not, and
43:14
Speaker 13: we're talking about brownfield sites, well let's.
43:16
Speaker 2: Get Daniel's response to that.
43:19
Speaker 3: I mean, is this hypocritical If Labour's renewable policy is
43:22
Speaker 3: going to cost one point.
43:23
Speaker 6: Three trillion, well, I think there's going to be a
43:27
Speaker 6: lot of politicians throwing a lot of numbers around over
43:30
Speaker 6: the coming few weeks and months. I think people out
43:33
Speaker 6: in the community are going to look at the most
43:35
Speaker 6: reputable sources ultimately as they make up their mind. And
43:38
Speaker 6: I think to date, the csiro AMO gen cost report
43:42
Speaker 6: is the gold standard, and there'll be other pieces of
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Speaker 6: analysis that get thrown out there. And look, it clearly
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Speaker 6: shows that the cost of generation from both large and
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Speaker 6: small modul at nuclear reaction is higher. But for me,
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Speaker 6: there's additional issues here. One is Peter Dutton, coming from
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Speaker 6: the party that used to be about states rights, is
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Speaker 6: saying that he's just going to override all these states bans.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we could have a whole bunch of state
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Speaker 6: elections fought on this issue and states reassert bands, which
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton will just write roughshot over so much for consultation,
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Speaker 6: plus all the delays and uncertainty around constitutional issues. But
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Speaker 6: I just think it's the delay. Ultimately with this issue,
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Speaker 6: we're not going to be seeing these nuclear power plants
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Speaker 6: till the twenty thirties or twenty forties, when we need
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Speaker 6: to have largely fixed this issue.
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Speaker 13: Well yeaw, talking about twenty thirty five of the transmission
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Speaker 13: capabilities are already there. We don't need to build twenty
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Speaker 13: eight thousand kilometers of new transmission lines, which is what
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Speaker 13: Chris Bowen's ideological run towards renewables would mean. And again
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Speaker 13: all respect Daniel but no comment on what the cost
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Speaker 13: of actually transmitting and distributing the renewable energy is and
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Speaker 13: generation is only fifty percent of your bill. Distribution is
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Speaker 13: the other fifty percent of the bill, and yet this
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Speaker 13: government refuses to acknowledge that part of the cost.
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Speaker 3: All right, this is going to be a very big
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Speaker 3: story in the months leading up to the federal election.
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Speaker 2: Daniel.
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Speaker 3: I just want to turn to your office in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: It was trashed, you had to move out of it,
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Speaker 3: and then just as you were about to move back
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Speaker 3: in after two weeks, it was vandalized again by pro
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Speaker 3: Palestinian protesters. We saw what happened to Josh Burns last week.
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Speaker 3: Other MPs have also fallen victim to this, Daniel. How
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Speaker 3: intimidating is it to have your.
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Speaker 2: Office voundalized like this? How frightened are your staff?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 6: I think it's a very concerning development in relation to
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Speaker 6: the way in which debate around this issue is being conducted.
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Speaker 6: As you say, it's criminal vandalism and it's very intimidating,
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Speaker 6: And I mean the immediate effect of this is that
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Speaker 6: a number of electorate officers are being shut down and
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Speaker 6: vulnerable people in the community who want to come into
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Speaker 6: our offices and talk about NDIS and Centerlink matters, can't
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Speaker 6: get into their local electorate office. A lot of these
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Speaker 6: people need to have those discussions face to face. I
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Speaker 6: think the other issue is that it's a way of
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Speaker 6: prosecuting a discussion, which is for me completely anathema to
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Speaker 6: our democracy. Like every time somebody holds a you strongly,
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Speaker 6: does that mean now that these people think they should
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Speaker 6: be able to smash up the buildings or the offices
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Speaker 6: of those who disagree with them. And the final very
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Speaker 6: quick observation I'd make is that another dimension of this
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Speaker 6: is I think the Greens Party as a major party,
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Speaker 6: as a party that could potentially hold a balance of power,
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Speaker 6: too many candidates and members of the Greens Party at
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Speaker 6: state and federal level at times not only not condemning this,
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Speaker 6: but actually egging it on. And for me, that's another
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Speaker 6: dimension of this which is very concerning.
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Speaker 3: Well, Daniel, really sorry that happened to you. We were
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Speaker 3: watching the vision there, extremely violent. Daniel Molino, Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much. Thank you for joining me this evening,
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Speaker 3: and after the break we'll have a look at the
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Speaker 3: upcoming presidential debate with Trump and Joe Biden at Stay Tuned.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in Sky News contributor Kosher Garda, Now Kosher,
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Speaker 3: thanks for your time. Look, we're seeing the presidential candidates
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Speaker 3: taking vastly different approaches to the upcoming presidential debate.
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Speaker 14: Yes, reportedly, this week, President Biden has been hunkered down
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Speaker 14: in Camp David really practicing and prepping, and his personal
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Speaker 14: lawyer is serving as the stand in for Trump on
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Speaker 14: to impersonate sort of what debate style Trump would bring
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Speaker 14: to the table. Meanwhile, you see Trump has been crisscrossing
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Speaker 14: the country, holding multiple rallies throughout the week, which is
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Speaker 14: where he thrives. And you know that I think suggests
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Speaker 14: a little bit about these two men. We know a
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Speaker 14: lot about them, but one Trump being more instinctive and
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Speaker 14: he doesn't feel the need to necessarily prep He's got
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Speaker 14: his issue set and he's got his style and he's
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Speaker 14: going to run with it. Versus Biden, on the other hand,
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Speaker 14: is really treating this as almost like a midterm exam,
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Speaker 14: and he's looking to really make sure he's prepared.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen you over recent years, but it
47:56
Speaker 3: has seemed to be escalating in recent months that Joe
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Speaker 3: Biden does struggle with coherent sentences or continuing even his
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Speaker 3: train of thought at times. Do you think this is
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Speaker 3: something that is concerning the Democrats at the moment ahead
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Speaker 3: of the presidential debate.
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Speaker 14: I think so, And we just see every day there's
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Speaker 14: a new situation like that. Then you do see these
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Speaker 14: glimpses like the State of a Union addressit he gave
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Speaker 14: earlier in the year, where he was quite lucid and coherent,
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Speaker 14: and you know, who knows what was underpinning that. So
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Speaker 14: I think that's definitely in play. The whole world is
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Speaker 14: going to tune into this debate, not so much to
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Speaker 14: really hear what these two men have to say, because
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Speaker 14: there are known entities by this point, but I think
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Speaker 14: to see that whether he can hold his own Biden,
48:38
Speaker 14: and also a lot of people are speculating that is
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Speaker 14: this a setup or lead up to this thing that's
48:43
Speaker 14: been swirling for a while now, if the Democrats are
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Speaker 14: going to try and switch him out with somebody else
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Speaker 14: at the upcoming convention in August. Maybe this is part
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Speaker 14: of that process on that critical path, but we really
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Speaker 14: don't know for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like the presidential debate and live
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Speaker 3: will be much higher risk for Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: Then it will be Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: And the question anyway is whether it's going to change
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Speaker 3: anyone's vote, and that's probably unlikely. Koshia Data, thank you
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Speaker 3: very much for your time this evening, Thanks for watching.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray