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Bonus Episode: One Night at the Viper Room, a Disgraceland Special Event, and Remembering River Phoenix · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's subject of the Disgraceland full episode, River Phoenix,
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  Speaker 1: great actors from the nineteen nineties. We've also got a
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  Speaker 1: special Disgraceland announcement, and of course we are diving into
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  Speaker 1: your voicemails, texts and more and as always, a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of Rosie. All right, disc goes, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: On October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, Tupac Secure was
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  Speaker 1: charged with two counts of aggravated assault for shooting his
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  Speaker 1: gune at two off duty police officers the day before.
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  Speaker 1: Also on October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, English actress
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  Speaker 1: Letitia Wright was born. Letitia would go on to act
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  Speaker 1: in the film Black Panther, a big budget, mainstream superhero
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  Speaker 1: flick that loosely played homage to the radical Black Panther
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  Speaker 1: political party from the sixties and the seventies, an organization
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  Speaker 1: that Tupac Shakura was raised in. Basically, Tupac's mother and
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  Speaker 1: stepfather were both members of the Marxist Leninist Black Panther
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  Speaker 1: political group. Federico Fellini, the famous and influential filmmaker, had
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  Speaker 1: no politics. His films, at least were a political in nature.
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  Speaker 1: He died on October thirty first, nineteen ninety three. Fellini
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  Speaker 1: was a major influence on director Tim Burton, and tim
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  Speaker 1: Burton's filmmaking, with its distinctive style, is described as burton
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  Speaker 1: Esque in the same way that Fellini's filmmaking is described
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  Speaker 1: as felliniesque. On the day that Federico Fellini died on
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  Speaker 1: October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, Tim Burton had the
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  Speaker 1: number one movie at the box office, A Nightmare Before Christmas. Currently,
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, thirty one years later, the Internet
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  Speaker 1: is a light with rumors that a live action version
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  Speaker 1: of Tim Burton's A Nightmare before Christmas is in the works,
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  Speaker 1: potentially starring Tim Burton's friend in frequent collaborator, Johnny Depp.
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  Speaker 1: Now on October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, Johnny Depp
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  Speaker 1: was in production with Tim Burton on the biopic ed Wood,
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  Speaker 1: about the idiosyncratic cult director Who's incredibly Campion and sexploitative
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  Speaker 1: films Plan nine from Outer Space, Bride of the Monster,
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  Speaker 1: Orgy of the Dead, among others, were most certainly being
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  Speaker 1: shown on that Halloween weekend back in nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: But Johnny Depp was not watching movies. On October thirty first,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, he was on stage playing guitar with
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  Speaker 1: his band p at his nightclub, the Viper Room on
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  Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles. On stage with Johnny
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  Speaker 1: that night were musicians Al Jorginson from Ministry, Benmontesge from
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  Speaker 1: Tom Petty's Heartbreakers, Gibe Haynes from The Butthole Surfers, and
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  Speaker 1: Flee from the Red Hot Chili Peppers. John Fruchiante from
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  Speaker 1: the Red Hot Chili Peppers got up to play that night,
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  Speaker 1: but he was so fucked up on drugs that he
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  Speaker 1: vomited on stage before stumbling off without playing much of
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  Speaker 1: anything at all. We've detailed all of this to you,
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  Speaker 1: the parts about the Viper Room in this week's full
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  Speaker 1: episode on River Phoenix, who was at that moment in
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  Speaker 1: the crowd there with John Fruciante, his good friend, on
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  Speaker 1: October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, and Rivers there in
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  Speaker 1: the audience hoping to get up on stage with his
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  Speaker 1: guitar to jam with this incredible group of musicians. Now,
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  Speaker 1: prior to arriving at the Viper Room, River Phoenix and
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  Speaker 1: John Fruschie, we're on a day's long massive drug binge
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  Speaker 1: that involved a routine of smoking crack or shooting mainlining
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  Speaker 1: cocaine and then immediately shooting heroin afterward to level off
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  Speaker 1: that crack cocaine high. So by the time both met
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  Speaker 1: arride at the Viper Room on October thirty first, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety three, they were blitzed, and upon arrival immediately more
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  Speaker 1: cocaine was provided to them. Now they're high, they're there,
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  Speaker 1: they're in the audience, p is performing on stage. Okay again,
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  Speaker 1: that's the butthole surfers guy Gibbie Haynes, says Johnny Depp.
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  Speaker 1: That's who else? Did I say? Flee al from ministry
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure who was playing drums, but anyways, p
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  Speaker 1: is on stage and they're playing a song of the
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  Speaker 1: song of theirs entitled Michael Stipe. Okay, Michael Stipe from
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  Speaker 1: ram Now. This is a song that details I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard it, but I was reading about it this morning.
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  Speaker 1: It details the absurdity of Hollywood fame, and the song
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  Speaker 1: name checks, among others, not only Michael Stipe, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but director Sophia Coppola, but also River Phoenix, who, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, was in the audience at that moment. He's
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  Speaker 1: name checked in that song as well. And while he's
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  Speaker 1: being name checked in that song that's being performed live
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  Speaker 1: on that stage at that moment, River Phoenix is in
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  Speaker 1: the audience, overducing now again. As detailed in this week's
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  Speaker 1: full episode on River Phoenix, River was ushered out onto
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  Speaker 1: the sidewalk, where he passed out and died. Flee accompanied
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  Speaker 1: his dead friend to the hospital in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the ambulance the next day. Johnny Depp and everyone else
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  Speaker 1: with a bold faced name who was at the Viper
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  Speaker 1: Room on October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, left town.
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  Speaker 1: The next film, The River Phoenix, was to star him
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  Speaker 1: was Interviewed with a Vampire, but of course River Phoenix
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  Speaker 1: did not start in that role. Christian Slater did. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to argue that the movie wouldn't have been better
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  Speaker 1: with River Phoenix playing the part of Daniel Malloy. Christian
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  Speaker 1: Slater made some pretty forgettable films after Interview with a
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  Speaker 1: Van Empire Murder in the First Bed of Roses Julian
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  Speaker 1: Poe among them. I don't think I've seen any of
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  Speaker 1: those movies, so I can't really speak to them. But
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I haven't seen them or been compelled
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  Speaker 1: to see them, it says something. Now, had River Phoenix
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  Speaker 1: made Interview with the Vampire, what films would he have
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  Speaker 1: started afterward? This is very tough to answer, but Interview
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  Speaker 1: with the Vampire was released in nineteen ninety four, so
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  Speaker 1: we get some idea of what films were in production
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  Speaker 1: around in and around that time when River died, when
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  Speaker 1: Interview with the Vampire was made, when he would have
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  Speaker 1: been made making it, and then what films were in
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  Speaker 1: production afterward that we can sort of tell by who's
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  Speaker 1: starred in them, which roles might have been offered to
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  Speaker 1: River Phoenix or it might have been available to him.
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  Speaker 1: I should say okay again. An interview with the Vampire
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  Speaker 1: was released in nineteen ninety four. After that, Leonardo DiCaprio
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  Speaker 1: started in nineteen ninety five Basketball Diaries, a role that
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  Speaker 1: one of you guys I can't remember who, but I apologize,
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  Speaker 1: just thank you for DM. I mean, one of you
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  Speaker 1: guys suggested that River would have and perfect in Basketball Diaries,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree. Also in nineteen ninety five, Brad Pitt
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  Speaker 1: starred in Seven. Now that's another role that I could
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  Speaker 1: see River Phoenix in. After that, it starts to get
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  Speaker 1: real interesting when you imagine River Phoenix maturing into manhood
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  Speaker 1: and considering what films he would have taken on, what
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  Speaker 1: films that went to other people? Okay, how about Leonardo
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  Speaker 1: DiCaprio's role in The Departed from two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: or how about River as part of George Clooney's two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one ensemble for Ocean's Eleven. I can see
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  Speaker 1: him in both these roles, and he would have killed it.
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  Speaker 1: He was an incredible actor. He was, quite literally, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: the best of his generation. How these films would have
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  Speaker 1: turned out with him in them, we'll never know. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: we won okay, it's you know, we're also not going
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  Speaker 1: to know who gave River Phoenix that drink on October
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  Speaker 1: thirty first, that was spiked with heroin and cocaine that
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  Speaker 1: killed him. This is a subject that we touch upon,
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  Speaker 1: of course, in the episode. I'm tempted to ask you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: who you think gave that lethal drink to River Phoenix,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't want our discourse here to evolve into conjecture.
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  Speaker 1: The rumors, however, are very compelling, and they're worth looking
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  Speaker 1: into in your free time. If, of course, I thought
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  Speaker 1: there was real, corroborating evidence that linked any of the
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  Speaker 1: Viper Room attendees that night to River Phoenix's death, I
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  Speaker 1: would say so. But the real proof, the hard proof,
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  Speaker 1: it just isn't there yet. So all of this is
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  Speaker 1: relative to that night, October thirty first, nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 1: which is a big part detailed in this week's full
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  Speaker 1: episode of the Disgraceline podcast on River Phoenix. The River
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix loss was a hard one for a lot of you.
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  Speaker 1: I know this because I've heard from you. I've heard
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  Speaker 1: from you in the DMS, I've heard from you on voicemail,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard from you via text, next week, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: plan this. I mean I planned it, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: tend for this to be the result. Next week, we've
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  Speaker 1: got another story about another actor, and it's a tough loss.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming your way on Tuesday. It's on Matthew Perry,
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  Speaker 1: whose death is still very much part of the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: But rather than continue to delve into the sadness connected
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  Speaker 1: to the loss of a beloved actor, or to delve
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  Speaker 1: into who or who may not have been culpable in
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  Speaker 1: the actor's death, because that's still very much a question
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  Speaker 1: that's out there, I'd like to keep this week's Question
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  Speaker 1: of the Week a bit lighter, just because, okay, we
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  Speaker 1: could do with some lightness after the heaviness of these episodes.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're listening to the Matthew Perry episode, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you're a friend's guy or girl or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: or whether or not you're you like Seinfeld, Moore or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: whatever your taste, when you're listening to the Matthew Perry episode,
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  Speaker 1: obviously we're talking about television. So I want you guys
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  Speaker 1: to be thinking about what is the greatest television show
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  Speaker 1: of all time? All Right, that's what I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. In the after party with you guys next week.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I want to be talking with you guys
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  Speaker 1: on text about, on voicemail in the DM. In a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways, it's a super basic question, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways it's an impossible question
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  Speaker 1: to answer. Also, Friends Seinfeld, their sitcoms, they happen right
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  Speaker 1: there at the edge of pre peak television. They're kind
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  Speaker 1: of part of that last generation of I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say bad television because obviously Friends in Seinfeld are
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  Speaker 1: not bad television, and there was some great television being
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  Speaker 1: made in the nineties. NYPD Blue stands out. There's more.
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  Speaker 1: If I thought about it for a minute, I could
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  Speaker 1: come up with some other examples. But what happens after
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  Speaker 1: Friends goes off the air is we get this explosion
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  Speaker 1: of incredible television where the medium really starts to change. Sopranos,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: The Wire, mad Men, Breaking Bad. All those shows are
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  Speaker 1: truly great. There's probably five or ten more examples that
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  Speaker 1: I could listen are also truly great, not good great.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, what are you
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  Speaker 1: returning to you at night? What are you chilling out with?
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  Speaker 1: What are you unwhining with at night? Before you crash.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Breaking Bad or is it Seinfeld? Is it
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  Speaker 1: the Wire or is it Friends? What is the number
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  Speaker 1: one greatest television show of all time? It is a
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  Speaker 1: tough question to answer, but I want you, guys to try.
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  Speaker 1: your answers from last week's question of the Week. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into your voicemails and text messages, I
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  Speaker 1: So moving on, let's hear from you, guys. We're back
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  Speaker 1: with your voicemails, your text, your dms right here. Last
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  Speaker 1: week's question of the week on who the greatest act
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  Speaker 1: sure of the nineteen nineties was Let's hear from this
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  Speaker 1: voicemail from the nine to.
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  Speaker 2: Four Jake Burried from the nine to four two months
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  Speaker 2: to type the best actor from the nineties. I agree,
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  Speaker 2: River Phoenix. Some filks might say Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Joe, and Robert de Niro in which you know,
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  Speaker 2: like who's the great baseball team ever? The New York Yankees.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's kind of like you no shit, But de
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  Speaker 2: Niro was in Casino, he did a bunk Tale, he
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  Speaker 2: would did Good Fellows, motherfucking Heat, Jackie Brown fucking Copland,
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  Speaker 2: which has got to be one of the most underrated
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  Speaker 2: and underappreciated movies from the nineties if you just look
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  Speaker 2: at the cast. Amazing films. So not only was he
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  Speaker 2: the volume of his films, but the quality. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he was just in a shitload Casina. I think Casino
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  Speaker 2: just a shitload of great movies. So it might not
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  Speaker 2: be the most popular pick, but he killed in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: You want to say Tom Hanks to Academy Awards, Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 2: Forrest Gump, a variety of roles, just completely different characters.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, I gotta say just because of
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  Speaker 2: the you know, that's the quality of all the films
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  Speaker 2: that he was. He was in in the nineties, So
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  Speaker 2: that's that man. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Nine oh four. Your Yankees comment, it's uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: stinging this Red Sox fan. I cannot argue with you.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't argue with you about your de
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  Speaker 1: Niro pick either. He's not somebody that I would have
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  Speaker 1: thought of, but when you lay it all out there,
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  Speaker 1: he truly did kill it in the nineties and Copland
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  Speaker 1: underrated film. You're absolutely right, incredible film and de Niro's
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  Speaker 1: role roll in it especially, you blew it just so
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  Speaker 1: fucking good. Okay, thank you, Barry. Appreciate it real quick, Barry.
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  Speaker 1: That reminds me. I saw Copland in the theaters when
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  Speaker 1: it came out. I was on tour with my band
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  Speaker 1: cast Iron Hike, and we were right around New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: New York, and I remember we were all blown away
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  Speaker 1: by the movie. We were blown away by by Michael
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  Speaker 1: Rappaport's character Superboy. And we were in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: We were down We're like little Italy, like Mott Street,
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  Speaker 1: Prince Street, something like that. We were in our van
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  Speaker 1: and we had the windows open and we had just
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  Speaker 1: seen Copland. It was like the night before or that
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  Speaker 1: day or something. It was really fresh, is the point,
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  Speaker 1: and we all heard that we heard this voice outside
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  Speaker 1: the van. We're stopped in traffic, you know, on one
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  Speaker 1: of these tiny New York City streets, and we hear
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  Speaker 1: this voice coming through the window, and we all just
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  Speaker 1: had this look of recognition, like, what the hell's happening
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  Speaker 1: when we look and it's Michael Rapperport right outside the
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  Speaker 1: van talking to somebody, and we could hear his voice.
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  Speaker 1: It was fresh in our mind from of course seeing
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  Speaker 1: him very recently in Copland. That blew my mind. Anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little Copland story for you. Okay, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: get back into some voicemails here. Last week, of course,
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  Speaker 1: we released an episode on the NFL and Carol Rosenbloom
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  Speaker 1: was part of that episode. Carol Rosenbloom was the owner
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  Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Colts in the Los Angeles Rams. We
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  Speaker 1: actually got this voicemail from Carol Rosenbloom's nephew.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what up? My name is Asher and scrolling through
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  Speaker 3: my Spotify feet today your podcast came up NOTT NFL
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  Speaker 3: and the origins of it I knew right away Oom
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  Speaker 3: was about because my great great uncle is Carol rosen Bloom,
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  Speaker 3: and I grew up with these stories of him doing
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  Speaker 3: these crazy things. My grandmother remembers being in the locker
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  Speaker 3: room meeting all the players. So our uncle was Carol,
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  Speaker 3: her dad's brother, and we grew up in the family
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  Speaker 3: with this notion that Carol is a bad, bad guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm twenty five years old now, and Carol was not
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  Speaker 3: liking in the family.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: He was always considered a bad dude.
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  Speaker 3: We got me going to any more questions. Well, thank
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  Speaker 3: you very much for the episode.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. Asher. Incredible to hear from you, man.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you calling in. I'm sure the stories
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that you've heard about your uncle go way beyond the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: ones that we told in the last NFL episode that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: we did in those episodes are pretty fucking nuts. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you calling it and thank you Asher. All right,
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• 18:24
  Speaker 1: one is in response to your question of who was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the best actor of the nineteen nineties. I have one
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that I think is just tough to argue against. We've
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: got Denzel Washington, Mobetta, Blues, Ricochet, Malcolm X, the Pelican Bris, Philadelphia,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Crimson Tide, Devil in a Blue Dress, coverage under fire Fall,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and he got gamed, the Siege, the Bone Collector of
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  Speaker 1: the Hurricane. And that's only a few. Number two Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Dave lewis a close second. But my opinion on the
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  Speaker 1: subject of River Phoenix, I think River is probably the
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  Speaker 1: James Dean of our generation. Some might say Heath Ledger,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: which is a tough one to disagree with. I don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: think DiCaprio, Gossling Pit, Matt Damon, Wahlberg, even Joaquen would
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: have had as many parts if River were still in
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  Speaker 1: the mix. That being said, it also would have been
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  Speaker 1: great to see River join forces with his contemporaries. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm out as always. Keep doing what you do, Mickey,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks awesome text. Yeah, you're absolutely right when you rattle
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  Speaker 1: off those names, When you rattle off DiCaprio, Gossling Pit,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Damon, Wahlberg, even Joaquim, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I love all those guys and I love
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  Speaker 1: what they do what they've done, I should say, throughout
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: their career, and it's it's tough to think about what
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  Speaker 1: would have not been available to them had River Phoenix
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: remained alive and working. Great text, Mickey, appreciate you the
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  Speaker 1: seven three to two text in Hey, good morning from
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  Speaker 1: the seven three too. Just listen to the after party.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the Keith Jarrett recommendation. Great stuff. We'll
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  Speaker 1: explore more, Mark Mark, thanks for the text. I was
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: actually listening to Keith Jarrett right before I got on
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the mic, and but I wasn't listening to the song
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: or the album that I recommended to you, guys. The
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: song was The Rich and the Poor. What I've been
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: listening to lately is the Cold Concert. Am I pronouncing
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that the correct way? I don't think I am. It's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: cold as in con Germany Koln. That's from January twenty fourth,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. The track is actually entitled January twenty four,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, Part two C. Okay, check that out.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Con Concert Keith Jarrett January twenty four, nineteen seventy five,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Part two C. Guys, this is reminding me of old
• 20:26
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• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to bring the recommendations back in
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  Speaker 1: some form. I don't know what. I don't feel like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the after party is a medium for it, though, because
• 20:37
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• 20:41
  Speaker 1: making these things too damn long, and Matt's always complaining
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to me they're too long. Man, I got to edit
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: this shit. What are you doing? Going on and on
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and on? But hey, you guys, you know we've got
• 20:50
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• 20:53
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  Speaker 1: regards to the River Phoenix episode, I miss them even
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: after all these years. That's how you know. A complete
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: stranger who provided some form of art that you connected
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: with was that special. When this stranger leaves a void,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the memory becomes like a railroad that has no passing
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: trains anymore. Phoenix was the guy, well said Johnny. See,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I told you. I told you, guys, I heard from
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you on the River thing. I knew, I know, I
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• 24:43
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Chris Hillman on Spotify Rights Jake loved this
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: episode on River. Such a great young talent, gone way
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: too soon. I watch Stand by Me so many times
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: growing up, and it's still one of my favorite movies.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: The mass puking scene is great. A shame River had
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: so many addictions and he couldn't overcome. He would have
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: been a great actor by today's standards, the best actor
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: of the nineteen nineties, though, my pick would be Tom
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Hanks Saving Private and Ryan far As Gump, to name
• 25:07
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• 25:26
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• 25:28
  Speaker 1: instilled in us, and now in our thirties and forties,
• 25:30
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• 25:40
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• 25:43
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• 25:45
  Speaker 1: discussing the episodes, curating playlists, and just having a good time. Kelsey,
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• 25:53
  Speaker 1: your sister in law, and so is your partner. Kelsey,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: don't bogart those playlists sharing with us, Okay, hit us
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  Speaker 1: where I guess Instagram, where X. Perhaps give us a
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  Speaker 1: link to the playlist. I'll share them out here. I'll
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: direct people to your Spotify or wherever you're putting them together. Guys,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate the reviews, appreciate the emails. I appreciate the calls.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I got a question for you. One of the things
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• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of technical and production reasons that will bore you, is
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: moving the full episode a day earlier to Mondays. Honestly,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I can't see a negative in doing this. But if
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: there is some reason that you guys don't want episodes
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• 26:42
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• 26:44
  Speaker 1: let me know all this would mean to you guys.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: If we shifted this up a day, would be getting
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  Speaker 1: the episode a day earlier. And I can't see why
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. So just let me know. That's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: one thing we're considering. Another thing, Like I said, recommendations,
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  Speaker 1: I missed the recommendation. I'm miss talking to you guys
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  Speaker 1: about what I'm listening to, what I'm watching, and what
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  Speaker 1: all right, and uh, I'm thinking I'm noodling, I'm noodling
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  Speaker 1: All right. Also from the realm of things that we're
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• 28:34
  Speaker 1: get out, but before I do, before next week's episode
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on Matthew Perry, there will be a rewind episode from
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: our archive popping up in your feed. Speaking of the archive,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: we mentioned Benmontage, a keyboard extraordinaire from Tom Petty's Heartbreakers,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and we of course have an episode on Tom Petty
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in our archive episode number ninety four, released on January
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. I love this episode gets
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: into the weird Arson involving his house and the burning
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: down to his house and all that. You're gonna love it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: If you haven't heard it, go check that out. We
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: also mentioned Flee from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: though we don't have an episode on the Chili Peppers,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: we do have an episode on Chet Baker. What does
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Chet Baker fame jazz joke you have to do with
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Flee from the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Well, just as
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Flea acted in My Own Private Idaho with River Phoenix.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I but he didn't know that, or maybe he did,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: who knows. Flee also appeared alongside Chet Baker in the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: excellent documentary Let's Get Lost. Okay, if you want those
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: James Dean of Jazz romance vibes, you want to explore
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the weird deaths of Chet Baker and hear about his
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: days as a cat burglar while also being a famed
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: trumpet player, then check out our Chet Baker episode from
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: September ninth, twenty twenty that's episode number sixty three. We
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: also mentioned Sofia Coppola. Sofia Coppola's dad directed The Godfather.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The Godfather starred al Pacino. Al Pacino Is episode one
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight released just a couple of months
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: ago on July thirtieth, So you get that for you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: if you're ready for beginning right around that time, Okay,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: July of this year, twenty twenty four, right around the time,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit after the al Pacino episode, beginning around
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the time we released the Metallica episode, the Britney Murphy
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: episode from a couple weeks ago. Right around that time,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: we started to experience a new jump in listenership. So
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you to all the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: new listeners out there. I continue to bang this drum
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: about our archive, and I want you guys to know
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: if you knew, we have episodes for you guys on
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a wide a rare artist. The ones I just mentioned
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: here only scratch the surface. Dive into that disgraceing in archive.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Binja Way, Miles Davis, the Eagles, YouTube, Blondie in excess,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: so so so many more discos all you old time heads,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you guys who have been spreading the word continuously and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: helping to bring the new listeners in. Thank you. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. You know it all right. I get to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: get out of here. So let's recap, shall we. Number
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: one right now in your feed our episode on River Phoenix,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: number two coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about Matthew Perry in next week's episode.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to know from you guys, which is
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the best television show of all time? And why? Hit
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  Speaker 1: great storytelling more than you do. And well that's a disgrace,
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  Speaker 1: all right. In honor of the subject of our most
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: recent episode on River Phoenix, me reading to you the
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  Speaker 1: Billboard charts from the day River Died October thirty first,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Number one dream Lover Mariah Carey last
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  Speaker 1: week one Peak position one weeks on Chart thirteen number two.
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  Speaker 1: I do anything for love, but I won't do that
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  Speaker 1: meet off last week three, peak position two weeks on
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  Speaker 1: chart seven five number three All that She Wants ace
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  Speaker 1: of base number last week four peak position three weeks
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  Speaker 1: Skates last three number said to number three Peak positions
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  Speaker 1: hours staff side peak position three Sure number six, Quit
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  Speaker 1: talking and start mixing. You blew it