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Game Episode: Investigative Journalist Allen Salkin: Name Names — The Celebrity PR Game · The Iconic Midlife with Roxy Manning

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  Before we leave, can we play a game, please?
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  All right.
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  I love it.
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  Well, this is going to be a fun one.
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  It's called Name Names the game.
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  So name name.
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  The real lesson of Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch was blink.
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  Movie stars are crazier than you think they are.
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  Who do you think is the craziest?
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  You look at Tom Cruise and it.
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  Looks like Gwyneth Paltrow sold a candle called this Smells like my vagina.
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  That's the moment celebrity branding officially became blank.
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  Olafactory.
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  Okay.
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  Mariah Carey's I don't know her belongs in the hall of fame for blank.
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  There should be an entire branch of the hall of fame of celebrities who I have paid no attention to and care none at all about.
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  Oh, now, before we leave, can we play a game, please?
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  All right.
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  Stop talking to them.
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  Sick it.
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  Now listen to gerbil.
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  Go ahead.
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  I love it.
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  Well, this is going to be a fun one.
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  It's called Name Names the game.
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  So name it.
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  Just finish the sentence.
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  I will read something out to you and just say whatever comes to mind.
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  Names are encouraged.
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  Gwyneth Paltrow sold a candle called this Smells like my vagina.
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  That's the moment celebrity branding officially became blank.
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  Olfactory.
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  That's true.
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  That's true.
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  Olafactory.
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  Okay, I'll take it.
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  The real lesson of Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah couch.
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  Oh, sorry, sorry.
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  Also say questionably fearless.
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  That's the.
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  The.
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  Did you think it was a good idea for her to do this?
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  You think it was positive?
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  Net positive for her?
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  Don't you want to?
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  I mean, I want to smell that candle.
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  I mean, I don't necessarily want to smell her vagina, but it's an intrigue.
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  I mean, it definitely.
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  It grabbed the attention.
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  And she's good at that.
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  She's very good at that.
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  Really smart.
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  She knows.
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  She knows what she's doing.
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  The real lesson of Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch was blink.
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  Movie stars are crazier than you think they are.
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  Who do you think is the craziest?
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  You look at Tom Cruise and it looks like, you know, I mean, and I go, I was almost.
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  I'm not quite as old, but, like, I remember Risky Business singing in the theater.
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  Like, that's how old I am.
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  So it feels like I've traveled through life with Tom Cruise, and I actually have wanted for a long time to do a doc.
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  It's probably too late now, but about Rona Barrett, who was a very early celebrity journalist, a pioneering Woman who still al.
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  And just incredible.
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  Like, this whole industry of interviewing celebrities.
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  She started it.
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  She deserves so much more credit than she gets.
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  Is this pre Joan Rivers, like this pre Barbara Walters.
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  Rona started interviewing, like Burt Lancaster and these guys in the late 60s.
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  She starts.
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  And she even starts in the 50s because she was an assistant to movie stars.
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  She had magazines.
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  Rona Barrett, like, she was the industry.
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  She was the first person to report box office numbers.
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  Oh, wow.
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  As news.
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  And why is she not credited for, like, any of these things?
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  That's why I want you to make a movie.
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  She's also.
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  She's now because she is so groundbreaking, she's a cantankerous person.
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  And I interviewed her because she was the first person.
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  She interviewed the current president Donald Trump, in like 1980 or 81, was the first person to ask him, just off this, just from her gut, would you ever want to be president someday?
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  And you can see it on YouTube.
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  His answer is very revealing.
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  And she was.
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  Rona would get into people's psychology, her questions.
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  She asked Natalie Wood, you know, did anybody ever do anything inappropriate with you?
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  Which we know that the director of Rebel Without a Cause did.
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  And no Rona, she asked RAQUEL WELCH About MeToo questions back in the early 70s.
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  And she was.
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  She pioneered the sort of primetime celebrity interview, a format that Barbara Walters stole from her because Barbara Walters career wasn't going well.
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  She was on the original version of Good Morning America, and she was on the Today show.
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  And in fact, supposedly Tom Brokar would refuse to throw directly to her because that was women's news and he was too serious to throw directly.
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  So we have to throw to somebody else and who would then throw to her.
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  So why is it not.
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  Why is not more known?
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  That's why I wanted to tell her story.
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  So you've got me on a tangent about Rona and I now I want.
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  You to do that.
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  I know, I know.
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  I worked on it.
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  And she's just.
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  I did.
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  The real story is I went up with Mark Summers, was the.
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  Is the host.
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  Was the host of Nickelodeon, right.
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  Double Bear.
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  And he was also on Food Network.
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  So I got to know him, a great guy.
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  And he was going to help me out with this.
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  And we.
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  We had one day where Rona finally agreed to sit for an interview.
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  And we hadn't really fleshed everything out.
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  And we went up there and I was still not sort of confident enough in my ability to pull all this off.
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  And so and.
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  But it turns out I'm a way better interviewer.
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  Than Mark Summers, who's a great Hollywood figure and everything, but not an investigative reporter.
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  And Rona is really sort of an investigative reporter of.
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  Of celebrity and deserved.
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  That's the interview I wanted to have with her.
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  Anyway, we sit there, and I said to Mark, okay, you go ahead.
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  You can ask some questions.
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  We were both.
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  And he just goes, burt Lancaster, go.
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  You know, And I just.
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  I let it happen.
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  And it's one of my biggest regrets is that that moment when Rona was actually finally sitting, and I blew it.
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  But you didn't blow it.
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  But she's never agreed to do it again.
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  And she's kind of.
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  Have you asked?
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  Yes, several times.
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  And she's now, like, you know what?
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  Every time I check in, maybe that's the next thing I do.
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  Anyway, what was your question?
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  Oh, so.
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  So the.
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  The reason I bring this up is Rona did an early interview with Tom Cruise, and she had done.
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  She had figured out that he had been an altar boy.
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  Oh, he was an altar boy growing up.
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  To this day, it's not well known.
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  So how did she find that?
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  I don't know.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  But you see the interview with Tom Cruise, and he's probably.
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  It's probably the.
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  It's probably like 19, early 80s.
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  And Cruz is.
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  And she says.
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  So she has this way of.
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  So you were an altar boy as a.
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  You know.
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  And what she's also saying is the endless question about Tom Cruise.
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  Right.
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  Yes.
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  And he goes, wow, you really did your homework.
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  And he's like, fuck, you know.
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  Yeah.
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  And he then.
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  And supposedly when the interview's over, he says to his reps, she seems like a nice lady.
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  I never want to speak to her again.
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  So the reason I'm even saying that you're talking about Tom Cruise dancing on the couch.
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  It's like Tom Cruise has jumped off cliffs on motorcycles with.
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  He's, you know, he does his own stunts.
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  Does his own stunts.
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  He flies a plane around.
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  Sure.
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  This crazy movie digger that people some love, some hate.
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  You know, he's willing to let all his, you know, prosthetics and makeup go or whatever the hell he's doing to himself.
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  You.
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  You think this guy is like a corporate brand worth billions, which he is.
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  But the reason that he is is because he's willing to take insane chances.
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  You know, he does these things that you'd think nobody would advise, like, let the stuntman do it, dude.
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  Right.
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  You have everything to live for.
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  How does he get insured?
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  Like.
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  Right.
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  Who would.
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  He probably says, fuck it.
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  Don't worry about it.
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  I'll just pay.
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  Yeah, whatever.
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  So that's what I'm saying, like, what it proves is that, like, he's a little unhinged.
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  Maybe that's what makes him.
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  That's what makes him a movie star.
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  Because people are willing to take chances and put themselves out there and take risks.
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  Nobody said to Tom Cruise, here's movie stardom.
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  You just happen to be.
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  Was luck.
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  Sure.
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  But he ran with every chance he got and he still does.
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  Yeah, that's what.
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  He hasn't stopped taking chances.
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  And so that's what I mean, like, they're not just these, like, they're not like McDonald's, you know, they're not Exxon.
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  Yeah.
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  There are people who are kind of taking crazy chances to get famous, and it doesn't always work.
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  For every Tom Cruise, you know, there's.
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  A thousand that don't get it.
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  Yeah, you're right.
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  But for the ones that do, I mean, it can be huge.
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  You need the crazy and you need the looks and the talent.
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  Yeah.
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  All.
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  All together.
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  All together.
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  Okay.
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  Mariah Carey's.
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  I don't know her.
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  Belongs in the hall of Fame.
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  For blank.
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  There should be an entire branch.
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  Sorry.
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  Of the hall of Fame of celebrities who I have paid no attention to and care none at all about.
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  Oh, is that right?
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  So Mariah knows she has a famous Christmas song or something, Right?
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  That's.
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  And she was married to, like, a producer at some point.
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  That's what I know about Mariah.
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  Tommy Mertola from Sony, right.
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  Yeah, that's.
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  So you never knew about the beef with JLo?
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  Like the.
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  I don't know who she is.
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  I don't know who she is.
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  I mean, I know she's.
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  Mariah Carey is a famous name of a singer.
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  Right.
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  You know enough about her.
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  I know enough that if somebody brought me down in front of her, I'd probably have five questions to ask her in an interview.
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  Sure.
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  It'd be.
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  Yeah.
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  Nothing in depth.
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  Well, there was a beef between the two of them that they pretend like they don't really know each other more.
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  Mariah, I guess, didn't really know this.
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  Like Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Damon.
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  Or is it Rhea?
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  That one I know about.
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  They should parody it like that because that would be genius and, like, put it out there.
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  I mean, people would watch.
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  The celebrity whose next project should be a tell all instead of another apology tour is blank.
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  Rob Lowe.
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  Oh, do you think he apologizes a lot?
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  No, but I just want him to tell really, really tell more.
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  I think he Is there's a documentary coming out he's doing.
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  Oh, there we go.
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  So I'm on point.
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  Yeah, very soon.
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  Let's see more.
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  Who do you think does apologies?
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  How would I want to think about.
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  I think, like, you know, he doesn't do an apology tour.
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  But I keep hearing these things about him as Brad Pitt.
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  Like, it was weird.
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  I stood, I went to see this band, Geese at Hollywood Forever.
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  Oh, yeah, that was last week, right?
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  Yeah.
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  They played three nights and I went the third night.
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  My friend got a ticket.
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  And we were not in the vip, but we were next to the pen.
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  Okay.
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  And Brad Pitt was there.
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  I was like three people there.
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  From Brad Pitt.
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  What did you like?
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  He just is a dude watching a rock show.
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  Of course, he's just a guy.
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  But was he like Brad Pitt?
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  You know, he creates an interference wave everywhere he goes because you just hear that, you just.
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  It was funny, you know a certain sound when something was going.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, there's Brad Pitt and he was wearing a red jacket, so you could see stood out.
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  And a pork pie hat, black.
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  And the other thing is, he left early because he has to leave early.
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  He can't walk out with a chance.
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  Once, you know Brad Pitt is there.
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  The chances of people lining up and the selfieing and everything, it's like there is a poor Brad Pitt quality to it.
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  Yeah.
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  But then you see Brad Pitt and all the stories, like, his kids don't talk to him.
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  Right, right, right.
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  That interview where he cut the cheese for, like, the guy interviewing him and like, the.
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  It's like we know so much about Brad Pitt, but also Brad Pitt does sometimes interviews that seem revealing.
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  Okay.
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  And we also know some because he had this ex wife, you know, who said things about him.
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  We know things.
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  We know a lot less about people like Richard Gere.
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  It's shocking how little we know.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  I know one of my favorite celebrities, Bob Dylan.
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  Like, wow.
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  We don't know a lot about that guy.
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  Right, right.
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  That's part of it.
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  And yet.
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  Do you want to know?
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  Do you want that?
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  Do you like the mystery?
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  Anyway, yeah.
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  Brad Pitt would be an interesting one.
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  Really, dude?
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  Really talk?
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  Yeah.
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  This whole thing with the drinking, not drinking, and it's like, what?
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  Like, is it or are you doing it or not?
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  And like, he's not.
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  He said he's not.
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  He's not.
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  Which then he said he was a little bit.
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  He said he can take a few now or so.
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  I'm like, is it.
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  Are you doing it?
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  Are you not?
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  But Then I don't think he's actually come out and said anything about the airplane either.
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  Has he, like, never heard anything?
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  He's.
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  I've never heard him say anything about that now, has he?
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  I don't know, but I haven't heard anything.
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  So there's one maybe.
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  Maybe Brad Pitt.
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  Okay.
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  You think that he, like, in our minds, like, why can't he and Angelina Jolie just at this point say, okay, okay, okay, yeah, let's just be friends.
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  Let's just be friendly.
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  Let's just, like, let it all go.
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  But they're just people.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, they really are.
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  Everyone has a sense of pettiness, and there's things they don't want.
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  They're not.
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  They feel like whatever happened, it seems we're even projecting now.
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  We don't know.
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  Yes, maybe they are secretly.
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  Maybe this is like, you know, old star Andy Kaufman pretending to, like, you know, get mad at people, and then backstage, they're all friends, you know, Is it all just a show so we.
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  They keep our attention?
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  I mean, because like you said earlier, you know, all press is good press.
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  You know, it's just.
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  There's no.
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  I love this game.
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  Keep going.
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  Okay, okay.
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  The most expensive sentence in Hollywood is blank.
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  I just want to think of a director or something.
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  Yeah.
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  And the answer, you know, I don't want to say Steven Spielberg.
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  I want to say, who made Digger?
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  Oh, it's a famous director.
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  Oh, yeah, I know.
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  I'm having menopause brain.
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  You are, too, huh?
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  Whoever the director is of that movie, give them a.
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  They're a genius.
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  The sky's the limit.
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  Whatever it costs.
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  Yeah, whatever.
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  Right.
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  Because it was so expensive, we could.
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  Make 50 independent movies or we could buy 50 movies at Sundance that are great.
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  You cover Sundance a lot.
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  You see these movies, they're great.
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  And then you never hear.
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  Or they're on this, like, weird pay per view.
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  Like, we should see with great acting and great talent and like, put.
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  Put.
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  Spend the money on marketing them.
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  Yes, yes, exactly.
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  But also make the big budget movie.
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  Because the secret is the real secret, the actually, the real answer to that question is let's let venture capital take over.
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  Our studio is the most expensive.
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  Because what happens is there's plenty of money.
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  They're all making money.
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  The problem is the money's going to pay debt from investment banks.
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  None of these studios actually have problems.
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  The only problem is the debt that.
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  They have to settle up.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, that's a good point.
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  That's a good point.
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  Okay.
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  The celebrity story that Made me think your public does not get.
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  Your publicist does not get paid enough.
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  Was blank.
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  Paula Dean.
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  Oh, interesting.
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  Paula Deen, because I studied this one closely.
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  Okay.
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  Was a should be taught in schools as how not to do crisis communications.
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  Because she just disappeared.
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  I mean, where is she?
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  Well, the funniest part is she has a restaurant in Dollywood still and she still makes videos and she's probably making more money now than she ever made.
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  Really?
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  Yes.
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  Just being out of the public eye.
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  Well, she's not out of the public eye.
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  She's out of your public eye.
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  In my public eye because this is not the kind of celebrity that we consume.
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  We feel like, well, this is somebody somehow associated with the N word who has been canceled and therefore has gone away.
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  No, there is an alternative media universe, which is actually ours is the alternative one.
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  There's the mainstream one where Paula Deen is still a star.
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  Really?
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  And still having people come to her restaurants and maybe even love her more because of this reputation that she has.
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  And by the way, and I'm not saying an apology for Paula Deen, but like a good publicist would have figured out that all Paula Deen said was number one was I said this slur back in the 60s once
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  and.
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  And then the other thing she did that was dumb was this.
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  The queen of butter and fat and sugar endorsed a diabetes drug or something and claimed that it was helpful or she was on it or something.
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  I don't even remember anything.
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  Was it like in Ozempic, like a GLP one?
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  It was something else.
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  It was before all that.
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  I don't remember what the drug was, but it was 15 years ago and she got sort of pre canceled for that.
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  She came back and then this N word thing happened and she did a terrible interview when she was sleepless and she said all the wrong things in this interview that they didn't go to commercial break on.
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  On the Today show trying to like make it.
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  She just thought every time I go on, I don't want to be.
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  You know, every time she goes on camera, she makes the problems go away and she gets more famous.
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  Well, not this time.
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  And I know that she was not getting good advice.
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  Not solid advice.
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  Right.
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  And it was if she had the right person.
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  Paula Deen is still is a bigger star than ever.
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  Wow.
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  Isn't that interesting how there is a whole other world that we are not that's not in our faces.
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  Wow, Interesting.
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  What do you think about Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively and that whole thing?
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  I'm happy that it's all coming out because it's just more these, like, I've seen it happen and I've seen it help a friend.
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  Like I had a friend who was on a television program regularly, a news program, sort of, and they fainted and it went sort of viral, early viral, you know, maybe 15 years ago.
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  And the truth about it was that they had some like anxiety thing where even though they were very comfortable being on camera, something wasn't working and they would just lose blood flow.
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  And it was dangerous actually.
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  But that wasn't, they didn't want to enter career at this point.
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  So I called a friend of mine who was in crisis pr.
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  Go help my friend.
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  And she went on the Today show.
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  And the story was that they came up with was I was just, I'm a mom who was overworked and it was just a hard day.
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  And it was, you know, and God bless her and I'm glad that that worked out for her.
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  But like it was a lie and possibly a dangerous lie or spin.
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  I mean, sure, she is a mom, right?
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  It's a spin.
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  But like also she's got this thing where she faints.
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  Right, Right.
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  So I guess the thing about, you know, Baldoni and what's her name is Blake Lively, who one of my, you know, probably, you know, as a straight guy, like, love her.
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  But just let's tell the truth.
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  Let's just try it.
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  That's what the podcast is about.
• 16:48
  Let's just try it.
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  Let's get real everywhere.
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  I mean, why not?
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  Let's just say what we want, say how politicians say, this is what I'm going to do, this is what I'm not going to do.
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  And let's just see.
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  I'd just like to see that world, that universe, because we see like, you know, I wrote a book about called the Method to the Madness, one of the lowest selling books in the history of Donald Trump's studies.
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  And we interviewed 100 people on the record, everybody from Rosie O' Donnell to Steve Bannon, all over the map.
• 17:18
  And you know, I interviewed Trump way back, which I talk about in the podcast briefly when I was at the New York post in the 90s and I learned from Donald Trump that you always return a reporter's call
• 17:27
  immediately.
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  That's the call you return.
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  And he still does, by the way.
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  Okay.
• 17:31
  He's on it like that.
• 17:32
  He's really on top of that.
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  He's on the cell phone where she's talked about.
• 17:35
  If you look at the speech that he actually on the reformed correspondence dinner and it's free association.
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  He actually says a lot of interesting things about.
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  He lets reporters call him directly on his cell phone and he talks to them clearly.
• 17:48
  What Trump knows is a well crafted lie that plays on prejudices and this very urban legends.
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  Like they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs.
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  That turns out in my research, I was shocked.
• 18:02
  I found that that exact rumor, but not about Haitians, but about the refugees of the 80s, which was from Southeast Asia.
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  That's what they were saying.
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  The refugees are eating the Americans cats and dogs also.
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  Untrue then.
• 18:18
  But play on these things and you can manipulate people.
• 18:23
  The world in which that is going on, we haven't seen the end of it.
• 18:27
  It's only going to get worse until it gets better.
• 18:30
  So like, I don't know what the solution is other than like tell the truth, make lying against the law.
• 18:37
  Wouldn't that be the dream?
• 18:38
  I mean, I'd like to see it.
• 18:39
  Yeah.
• 18:40
  I've tried to tell you the truth.
• 18:42
  I feel like you told me the truth.
• 18:43
  And you're very hopeful too about the future, which is nice.
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  You know all these things.
• 18:47
  I still want to have a baby.
• 18:48
  Like, that's the other weird thing about me.
• 18:50
  Oh, you want to have a baby.
• 18:51
  And I'm so.
• 18:52
  Ladies.
• 18:53
  Oh, okay, Alan Salkin, now's the time.
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  Yes.
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  You have a full audience of ways.
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  Please send me your.
• 18:59
  Send me.
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  Why?
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  You know, or just somebody sent me something.
• 19:02
  I know.
• 19:03
  DM them, right?
• 19:03
  DM me?
• 19:04
  Where do people DM you?
• 19:05
  Where's the place?
• 19:06
  Everything's pretty much a L L E N Salkin S A L K I N on everywhere.
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  Just Instagram.
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  I've tried to have an account.
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  Absolutely everywhere.
• 19:14
  And there's alensalkin.com too.
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  There's a contact form there.
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  But Instagram, TikTok, whatever.
• 19:18
  So that's, that's the place, ladies.
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  That's where you got to go get them and you gotta.
• 19:22
  I mean, how can you resist that smile?
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  Come on.
• 19:25
  There you go.
• 19:25
  There you go.
• 19:27
  And I don't personally gerbil.
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  Okay.
• 19:29
  And no.
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  No animals were harmed in the making.
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  Of gerbil on this podcast.
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  Right.
• 19:33
  It's funny, I said hurt, but it's supposed to be harmed.
• 19:36
  I realized that was a little weird mistake I made in the podcast.
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  That's okay.
• 19:39
  Picky, picky.
• 19:40
  That's fine.
• 19:40
  We get it, we get it.
• 19:41
  Where can people listen to the podcast?
• 19:44
  Well, it's on all the, all the platforms, even on YouTube.
• 19:47
  Just search Gerbil.
• 19:49
  It's a hit, actually, which is what you know, which is what you hope for.
• 19:53
  And it's happened.
• 19:54
  So it's.
• 19:54
  It's all over the Apple charts.
• 19:56
  And you search gerbil on all your podcast things or just go to AlanSalkin.
• 20:00
  And there's ways to click to listen to it.
• 20:02
  So we're going to go to your website.
• 20:04
  We'll find it there.
• 20:06
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 20:07
  So we're going to wrap Richard Gere up in season one.
• 20:10
  Now, is there going to be a season two of something else?
• 20:12
  Another rumor?
• 20:13
  I think so.
• 20:14
  Again, I think my specialty is finding the smart and the stupid.
• 20:18
  So I don't think I need to necessarily go deep on another urban legend.
• 20:23
  But I do have a couple other stories that I think if I apply the treatment that I gave, the depth that I gave.
• 20:31
  Hopefully not.
• 20:32
  Not six years, but that I gave.
• 20:34
  How many more six years do we have?
• 20:35
  I mean, you never know.
• 20:37
  You could have multiple six years left.
• 20:39
  I hope so, because I'm gonna have a kid.
• 20:41
  I hope I have many, many.
• 20:43
  But.
• 20:43
  But I think there's.
• 20:44
  There's some stuff that.
• 20:44
  Some tips I've gotten that I've been.
• 20:46
  Stories I haven't been able to do.
• 20:47
  Okay.
• 20:48
  For many years that I think are fascinating, that I think I can bring.
• 20:52
  Okay.
• 20:53
  Well, I'm excited.
• 20:53
  You do a great job.
• 20:54
  You get really in there and go down the rabbit hole.
• 20:57
  So everyone please listen.
• 20:58
  Not a rabbit hole.
• 20:59
  Yeah, the durable hole.
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  The gerbil.
• 21:01
  The gerbil hole.
• 21:02
  That's right.
• 21:02
  Listen to durable.
• 21:03
  You will love it and go down that durable hole.
• 21:07
  Thank you.
• 21:07
  That's what we do.
• 21:08
  Thank you.