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#4 A Colorfully Live Episode @ColorCloud26 · Unresolved Dependencies

0:06
SPEAKER_02: What what is happening?
0:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean you you told me to do a clap at the start, so Yeah, but this was for the recording because we are live here.
0:16
SPEAKER_02: Are we live here?
0:17
SPEAKER_01: We are live.
0:18
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, you're you're here.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: Wow, wow, touch you.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: I didn't say he could touch me at any point.
0:31
SPEAKER_00: I didn't say he could touch me, so FY, okay, so welcome.
0:34
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to a new Episode 4.
0:38
SPEAKER_00: Episode 4, yeah.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: Episode 4, yeah, we've done we've done four of these now.
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
0:44
SPEAKER_00: I haven't strangled you yet, despite being around you for nearly two days.
0:48
SPEAKER_00: It's been tempting.
0:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie.
0:50
SPEAKER_00: Very tempting.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: So how how's the conference been for you so far?
0:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's sorry, first of all, I have a lot of work.
1:00
SPEAKER_02: Just to get this out of the way.
1:01
SPEAKER_02: The elephant in the room, I have a lot of work.
1:02
SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of demos I need to do and prepare for.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: Not exactly for this event, but for next week and as well uh for tonight.
1:10
SPEAKER_02: But the event so far is pretty nice.
1:12
SPEAKER_00: So you thought your your best idea to do with all of your work problems is just to procrastinate like hell and do this pointless podcast with me.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: That's your that's your grand strategy to resolving your problems, yeah.
1:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cool.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, just want to get out of there.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: That's fine, that's fine.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, but the conference actually.
1:28
SPEAKER_02: So we are here.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: First of all, thank you to Sharon Smith.
1:31
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: I think we we just sort of shout out to her like the last episode, I think.
1:36
SPEAKER_02: Um where we as well talked about her that we I met her at MVP Summit and um she kindly sponsoring this little uh mentoring hub where we're in here and recording our podcast.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: Say thank you for that.
1:48
SPEAKER_02: It's very nice appreciated.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: It's very nice, that's a good thing.
1:51
SPEAKER_02: I could sit here more.
1:53
SPEAKER_02: Don't go to sleep, you got demos today.
1:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I have a session after this actually.
1:57
SPEAKER_02: So if you hear this, my first session will be in the books.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Um very nice actually, because I will roast all of our agents we built in the past and tell what's wrong with them.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: Really?
2:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's well I mean you don't have to be mean to them.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's not nice at all.
2:10
SPEAKER_00: So I I think it's undertaking.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: You think it's entertaining?
2:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: So but yeah, but about the events, so yeah, colour clouds 2026, Hamburg.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: I think the location was very, very special.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: It's like I I have to it's how to describe it, it's like an old sort of shipping, um sort of warehousing sort of place.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: It's right slap banging the industrial side of Hamburg, but the way they've done out the venue is really, really good.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: We'll maybe get some pictures on the socials of all the different banners and the sponsor sounds and stuff.
2:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a really really beautiful location.
2:37
SPEAKER_00: So uh the organizers have outdone themselves again once more, absolutely.
2:41
SPEAKER_02: And it's the first time two days, but like respectfully three days because you already had a workshop.
2:47
SPEAKER_02: We had the workshop before, and then two days of conferences, and uh how many tracks are there?
2:52
SPEAKER_02: Like five, six, seven, five tracks is crazy.
2:55
SPEAKER_00: You know, in terms of the content, content-wise, it's just crazy in terms of what we have here, so it's really quite amazing, and lots of sessions in Deutsch.
3:02
SPEAKER_00: Deutsch so gut spacer, yeah?
3:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: Tell us more about German speaking lessons or sessions.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: So I managed to get through it.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: I managed to get through it.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: The audience were very polite, they applauded at the end, uh, they gave the questions in English.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: It was sort of like, you know, they did it's like they were all sat there sort of going, oh you sweet, so sort of source in Gladaman, yeah, you speck du speckers ein bisschen Deutsch, you know, we we liebst du, you know, it's all that sort of thing.
3:26
SPEAKER_00: But no, it was good.
3:27
SPEAKER_00: I think I need to focus on my German lessons more, I realise.
3:30
SPEAKER_00: Speak it more each day.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: I think faster.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: I think speaking a natural language like English is already very important, but speaking German is actually more important.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean, given that I need to speak to you on a regular basis now.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because we're doing this podcast, you know, maybe a bit more German will be good.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's not like that be that I'm speaking English or something.
3:48
SPEAKER_02: Exactly, exactly.
3:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can understand, so you definitely need to skill up your your German.
3:52
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Joe did actually um a session in German, so what did you tell uh tell the audience about in?
3:59
SPEAKER_00: I told the audience how to build a co-pilot studio agent in a very straightforward way, and I threw in enough uh enough jokes and references that have permanently damaged Anglo-German relations for the future.
4:09
SPEAKER_00: Lots of jokes about football, about food being English food being so beige, about Germans being very sort of like particular on things.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I've completely damaged relations here, yeah.
4:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no end.
4:20
SPEAKER_02: So I I definitely felt very attacked and and triggered with that.
4:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a good job.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: And uh you also did the workshop, right?
4:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the workshop was very good.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: We had some good feedback there, building the beautiful apps and stuff like that.
4:33
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, a huge thanks to Catherine there for helping putting that together.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: So, really good um sort of work there with her on that one, and uh yeah, I think it's a good feedback.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: So it's been a really good couple of days.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: So we're on the final day, the last stretch.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: I hear there's gonna be a a party later.
4:46
SPEAKER_00: This guy likes to party clearly.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh I liked I I go there because like it's after my demo, it's after after going to the gym, and then I will go there and just like relax my brain because it's fried after this week.
5:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of fried brain, shall we uh fry the brains of our audience by getting them to guess where I'm gonna be next in my travels?
5:06
SPEAKER_00: Well yeah, let's do that.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: So we are we've um we'll we've not yet had any responses back for the ones that we did previously.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: We'll probably do the answers to that maybe in next week's episode because we kind of we decided to release all the the first three episodes at the same time.
5:19
SPEAKER_00: This this guy just went and did it and didn't consult me, so what can I say?
5:23
SPEAKER_00: Um so we'll get the answers next time to give you a little bit more chance to guess.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: So hello at unresolveddependencies.com.
5:28
SPEAKER_00: Let us know your answers to the question.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: So the location I'm gonna be in next, it's going to be a city that's been that has been made famous by a song with the clash.
5:37
SPEAKER_00: It's a city where the Trotter family uh lived uh for a very sort of long time, and it's also a city where you can get jellied eels as a delicacy.
5:46
SPEAKER_00: So which city am I going to be in next?
5:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh answers to hello at Thomasword Dependencies.com and we'll see if you guess it correctly next time.
5:54
SPEAKER_00: Must be UK.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: You think it's UK?
5:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah?
5:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: It sounds pretty UK.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: It sounds pretty UK, but yeah, maybe the audience has maybe your clue.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: Um I don't want to be wrong again for the fourth time in the royal so I just keep myself like separate here.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:11
SPEAKER_02: So Jedi D is quite an interesting sort of dish, but it's probably not as interesting as what Sebastian's been eating recently, so actually Yeah, actually I I need to to come up with here or something, and I I think um luckily enough I I tasted one of the focaccias last night.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: Um I I tasted that one and it was the cheesiest cheese of all cheeses, basically.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: The case case of Alas.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: The cheesiest cheese of cheese.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: Is that how you say it in German?
6:46
SPEAKER_00: The case kaze.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: The Kes Käse Ala Kese.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: Alakese, there you go.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: See?
6:54
SPEAKER_00: Teach you some German.
6:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was the Focaccia because the cheese was that cheesy that I I just couldn't like stop it from graining the cheese flakes.
7:06
SPEAKER_02: So it I was just like constantly there and like eating the whole cheese in like one sitting, and and Sarah she was kind of wanting me to ask something, and it was like right at her first bite, and it was kind of standing there and cheesing around.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: We were all pretty disgusting, actually, yeah.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, actually.
7:21
SPEAKER_02: It was disgusting as as hell, but yeah, you have to do what you have to do, right?
7:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I I gave a lot for like a bite of good cheese, right?
7:29
SPEAKER_00: So I'm a big fan of cheesy bread, like cheese on toast in the UK.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: Cheese toasty is quite sort of good.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh the health benefits may be not so good.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, cheese is a milk product and therefore is a I think it's good.
7:40
SPEAKER_00: We've got to have your your your cheese days.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Fats are good as well.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: It's part of the overall thing to say.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, focaccia.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: And cheese also fits in your latest finding that I like to do air fryer stuff as well a lot.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: So have some homemade facaccia.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can do that.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: With Kazer.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
8:00
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yeah.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: That's a good idea.
8:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry, uh back to colour cloud basically, because colour cloud is happening right now and it's um the keynotes were very interesting.
8:09
SPEAKER_02: So, what's been your biggest takeaway out of this?
8:11
SPEAKER_02: My biggest takeaway.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh that's a good question.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: So I so first of all, I think um prejuberations is still a thing.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: Really, you think?
8:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: You actually had more than one person attend your session.
8:25
SPEAKER_02: Of course.
8:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's it.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: It was like half the room.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: That's good, that's good.
8:28
SPEAKER_02: It's like half the room.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: There were at least 20 to 30 very nice people, and if you listen to this here, thank you for joining.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Um it was a very nice session because I did it.
8:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: I was there.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: I was I I wasn't.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: I was you never come to my sessions.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: I never come to his sessions.
8:45
SPEAKER_00: I I don't want him to get ideas above his station about where he is in life, so you gotta keep him keep him humble at all times.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: I I got a lot of questions for considerations.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Also, I I had the opportunity to speak with Andrew Bibby on um first day, so yesterday, right after keynote.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: And it's like the best spot you can have.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: Right?
9:05
SPEAKER_02: Having like an AI-based session about Agent Builder, Co-Polit Studio, right after keynote.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: When everyone is there, when everyone is like thrilled, on fire, they're ready to start the conference, and then they go in the first session, and you're basically opening that, that's the best thing ever.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the room was packed, there were questions, they were engaged, they had fun, fantastic session.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: So, where do you so where do you so where do you see the role of Dynamics 365 and power platform with everything that's happening now, given that you know we can vibe code ourselves uh an app in a few hours, sort of days?
9:39
SPEAKER_00: Do we do is is dynamics dead?
9:41
SPEAKER_02: Is no, it's power platform dead?
9:43
SPEAKER_02: No, you no, you you can't side as that.
9:47
SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, if you wipe coded, how can you do to maintain that?
9:53
SPEAKER_02: How do you scale that?
9:55
SPEAKER_02: How do you f fix a bug if you don't know the architecture, if you don't know what happened, if you if you just rely then on the AI just to fix things up?
10:05
SPEAKER_02: So how many iterations you have till it's completely broken or it looks completely different or it invokes new bugs?
10:12
SPEAKER_02: How do you do this whole of kind of quality and and and uh code corrections and pull requests and reviews?
10:21
SPEAKER_02: How do you want to do that?
10:22
SPEAKER_02: So you need to have some kind of structured data, you need to have some kind of reliability, and as well you need to have like 120% working environment for all of your business critical cases.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: So white coding, don't get me wrong, I think this is like where we have a big new market with a lot of new possibilities, but it's not yet there if you want to use it in a production scenario.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: And is this because all of your clawed credits are basically all consumed by 9:30 a.m.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: each day?
10:52
SPEAKER_02: This is the only reason, yes, because then I could do more.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: You could do more.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: I could just good do I just could do more for more clawed credits.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:01
SPEAKER_00: So give me more clawed credits, please.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: So apparently the pro tip is, and if I mentioned this on the previous episode, you can cut this out now.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: Um apparently the pro tip is um it make a clawed speech-like K-Bon.
11:12
SPEAKER_00: I have f I have five.
11:13
SPEAKER_00: And that will really optimize your token consumption costs.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be you know a transformative sort of thing there.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
11:19
SPEAKER_00: That's my that's my contribution.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: I I do not have a clawed subscription yet.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: I had somebody else, um Catherine actually was extolling the virtues of Claude the other day.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: I might have to do a cheek little subscription there and third resource.
11:32
SPEAKER_02: At least I think like the spendy or 30 bucks a month, it's it's kind of worth it.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: Kind of worth it, okay.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Kind of worth it.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: Kind of worth it.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: But of course, like yeah, power platform is still there.
11:40
SPEAKER_02: What is what is your findings of this event though?
11:43
SPEAKER_02: So which session did you attend?
11:44
SPEAKER_02: What was interesting?
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Do you had any like cheeky hallway talks to some sponsors or to maybe some Microsoft people return coming?
11:54
SPEAKER_00: I think just it's just really good to conversate about how the how all this AI sort of fits in and how we can sort of like you know use it for you know what what are things gonna look like next year?
12:03
SPEAKER_00: Because it just feels like at the moment that yeah, what what we were talking about last year sort of moved forward quite a bit since then.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for thank you for stopping me from shaking.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: This is why we have it here.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, it's it's what it's what's gonna be happening in you know two months, three months, because it feels like things are just moving so fast at the moment.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, and do we actually need the power anymore?
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do we actually need to have this sort of stuff?
12:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's yeah, when I as I say, you know, is is it gonna be cheap and easier for me just to vibe an app and just build it and stuff like that?
12:34
SPEAKER_00: So it's just it's trying to see where things fit in.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: And for me, looking at other things, looking at things like maybe foundry.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: Okay, is foundry maybe gonna be the way to go?
12:44
SPEAKER_00: Is that gonna be the best way we can build and consume these agents?
12:47
SPEAKER_00: There's quite a few different rabbit holes that we can sort of go down.
12:50
SPEAKER_00: And you're trying to sort of predict what the future could be.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: I think you're kind of just go there and just throw everything at the foundry.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: I think um as well, you don't want to build like your million SaaS applications for a million customers, right?
13:04
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to build like everything from scratch all and over again.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: You want to have some modules which you can rely on, do some building blocks, uh, where you can streamline certain processors, but as well you can reuse things.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: So and I think like having an IP is maybe more interesting than ever.
13:21
SPEAKER_02: And as well with just putting things on Foundry, I think this is a very um tomorrow state-of-the-art thing that I think like everything there is so much capabilities um that runs on Azure, and there is so much possibilities with Foundry as well.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Um where you just hit the limits, and there's the story, right?
13:42
SPEAKER_02: You start with Agent Builder, you kind of wipe yourself up as your business user, and you share something with your colleagues that that's maybe useful as an agent, maybe based on some documentation, based on maybe some some projects you're currently driving with your team, some opportunities.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: So you hook this up back to internal sources, share it with your teammates in a like a small spectrum.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: If you want to like then build something organizational-wide, you go with Copilot Studio and you have like all these tools, context protocol servers, very fancy, very nice stuff, and then if you reach limits there, you still have foundry.
14:22
SPEAKER_02: So I definitely need to ask um you search questions like what do you want to expect from this implementation?
14:28
SPEAKER_02: What kind of agents do you want to have?
14:30
SPEAKER_02: It's just something that's like scalable to the max, and you you do have a lot of different uh knowledge sources, a lot of different more complex little agents, so like a fleet of agents, or how did you call it?
14:45
SPEAKER_00: An armada of agents.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: I was born for marketing, clearly, you know, put it with these, it's just like so statement just bit bit, you know, just five, fire, fire, bam, bam, bam, bam.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's just an amada of agents basically.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: So just like all of these agents with like these little skills, and they are figuring things out for you.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: And you may want to host them on Foundry, but you still still can use Copilot Studio for like some other like more less complex cases, and that's why then um have to publish very quickly into for example M55 Copilot.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: But I attended a great session tomorrow led by Zar led by Zile Archbist uh Scott Giroux and Jonas was there, and you know one of the questions was okay, do we still need Jonas?
15:26
SPEAKER_00: Do we still need Jonas in this world stage?
15:28
SPEAKER_00: I need Jonas, you need Jonas.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: This is this is my I want Jonas.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: I need a Jonas in my life every single day because I am useless at this sort of stuff.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's really quite sort of difficult to sort of do this sort of things um you know without um that knowledge there.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: So it really comes down to making sure fundamentals.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: If you don't know how a class works in C Sharp, you don't know how to build an app in campaign.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is why you keep failing.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: This is why your your token, your cumulative tokens by 9 30am, because you're so.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I I just I just need all of the information.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Just help me.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I basically just cry Crimea River into cloud, and then from there, I'm just just going in and trust it to 100% of what's happening.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: It's like the worst approach ever, but this is how just trust the AI.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just trust the AI, you'll be fine.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I also want to stick with Jonas.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: You want to stick with Jonas as well.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: I think we all want to stick.
16:15
SPEAKER_00: We all I I just want to Jonas in my life.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Yes, everyone needs a Jonas, yeah.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: So if you ever see Jonas Rap at a conference, go save her, go say thank you to him, XRM Toolbox, so much work done there, the fetch XML builder.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: You actually try AI in his little tool as well.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
16:29
SPEAKER_02: There are also some interesting sessions from here, which are exactly pointing to the summit.
16:33
SPEAKER_02: And if you see him, yeah, buy him a drink, buy him whatever he wants, because he makes your life so much easier with X-RM Toolbox, won't it?
16:40
SPEAKER_02: Exactly, yeah.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: It's not sponsored.
16:42
unknown: Yeah.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: I wish it would.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: It will never be.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: But the good thing about these events, you get to meet your sort of hero sometimes in terms of around authors.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: And I spy potentially sitting in the background here, a hero of ours, potentially.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: So whose actors maybe is inspiration for everything that we've done here for the podcast so far.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: Do you wish you get it on?
17:00
SPEAKER_02: I think she looks very interested into that.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if I do have any questions about horror pages, I definitely go to Ulrike.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: And she she's also helping us so much with this podcast, having so nice ideas.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: Like she's like our angel of the community, basically.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't think she I think she's a bit camera-shed.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: It's it's third day of the conference for everyone, right?
17:29
SPEAKER_00: So the party the party's going to be tomorrow tonight, so yeah, after that it's going to be quite sort of a thing as well.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: But I think um, yeah, AI is here to stay.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: It's difficult to sort of avoid that.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: I think I think definitely.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: It has so many benefits.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: And as well, like, did you did you attend like any of these sessions about with Scott Dure or Daniel Laskowitz talking about MCPs and skills and all of this stuff?
17:51
SPEAKER_00: I looked at some of the I I'm actually doing the session with with Laskowitz soon around MCP servers and stuff like that.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh you're including the session.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I am, yeah, so I need to get I'm getting ahead of the traveling skills.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm always travelling.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: We've we've we've talked about this at least for 20 minutes on all the previous podcasts.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: How did yeah?
18:08
SPEAKER_02: I I don't want to ask like how was your trouble to come here?
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Because Oh, I've got I I've got a funny story.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: Tell him a story.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: So I was stuck on the tarmac in I want to know what skills.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay, go ahead.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Come so tell them your Lufthansa Boeing story.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: No, it was KLM actually.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, KLM.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I was stuck on the tarmac in Manchester.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: I do have status there.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: So I was stuck on the tarmac in Manchester for about two hours in the end.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Um so my two-hour connect vanished into a 20-minute dash across the sort of terminal.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: And it had a check bag, so what do you think happened to the check bag?
18:42
SPEAKER_00: Is it still there?
18:43
SPEAKER_00: Is it already here?
18:44
SPEAKER_00: No, it didn't make the flight.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: Did make the flight.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: But it arrived here in Hammer.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: To be fair, it arrived on the next flight and it was waiting for me the next morning afterwards.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: But yes, I thankfully had packed enough.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: So this is this is a top travel tip.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Make sure you always pack your essentials in your carry-on.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: You know, change of clothes, some toiletries, all this sort of good stuff, and that'll sort of make sure that you're all good and ready to go there.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: So nice.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good travel tips.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm offering so much here.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but so you didn't get a like a random upgrade or something because you Oh I did, yeah, yeah, that was quite that was quite good.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I got to the gate and the game in a really good.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so just like that.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: Just to you shut up, hi, I'm Joseph.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Can I fly with you?
19:19
SPEAKER_02: And I say, yeah, of course, use a free upgrade.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: You know why they gave me the upgrade?
19:24
SPEAKER_00: They oversold the flight.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: So it's easier, it's easier to move one person around rather than telling someone else, okay, you're not flying today.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: So I never received a malive, just an upgrade for free.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: It's like I told you, you pay these big corporations as much money as possible and they'll do nice things for you.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: It's a it's clearly a good investment.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you do that?
19:45
SPEAKER_02: So you pay Claude Code and plot for Claude Coburg the 20 bucks a month, and you expect that like everything works fine?
19:53
SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: It's visual thinking, I guess.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, let's talk about skills again.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: Skills, so yeah, database skills.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: So this is quite an interesting thing I need to get my head around.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: Um it basically underlines the importance of command line interfaces, CLIs.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: So things like the PowerApp CLI and all this sort of good stuff.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: You can sort of use all this to really help us to be able to Yep, but if you if you so if you're not a developer like me, right?
20:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean I do have some you know enough to be dangerous.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: You know enough to be dangerous for that way.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I can yeah, exactly.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: But you don't need to stick with the CLI, you can as well just use it with GitHub Coupile chat in Visual Studio, for example.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and can as well access all the skills there.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: You you had the talk of Laskovitz, right?
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he so bring us the source.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: He basically just told me taught me how to basically work with them, and it's pretty cool in terms of what you do.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: You just basically just give a whole bunch of instructions in terms of what you want to sort of achieve.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: It's then able to sort of then tap into the list of different CLIs it has available to it to then go and run those commands.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: So as long as the CLI that you're using kind of supports what you're trying to sort of achieve, uh it can do some pretty interesting things.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: So the scenarios that we're thinking of is okay, things like environment management, the ability maybe to go and spin up an environment, go and import some stuff, deploy a solution, set up some test data.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh you've got some interesting things now from a Dataverse CLI standpoint as well, with the Python SDK to actually go create records, create forms, create tables, you know.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: So I think CLIs could be one of those things that um alongside things like maybe, and I was speaking about this in the workshop the other day, things like uh YAML and Git, these are the important things that you need to start having a good awareness of if you're going to be successful working with these tools.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: So I think as well, like the the world is changing fast, and then um of course there's all YAML-based, but you always have like this, that's what it makes so interesting.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: You always have like this natural language input.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: So what you need as a as a cut type of like a programming language is more like English.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: So making the curve to your German session, you don't need to learn German anymore.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: I think it's polite to learn a bit of German, so I can so I can at least you can talk call us Schmetterling.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Schmetterling, exactly, and also so I can
22:02
SPEAKER_02: I always do this in English just to include you.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: Just to include me, okay.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: I just I just What about just learning a language just for the sake of learning?
22:11
SPEAKER_00: Just for the joy of learning about things.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: You have that?
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'd like to learn about things.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: I also learn about new things, but like languages, I'm it's really tough.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: I want to learn Spanish for like so long time.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: Well I I was saying to the other day, I think I don't know if this is true or not, but you know, the the fact that you can master one additional language, it kind of then unlocks parts of your brain and makes you then possibly tend to learn even more because you may be able to master that sort of thing as a hurdle type thing.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: You say one additional language.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: So I speak English and German.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Can't speak French, can't speak Spanish.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Hola Comestas.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: See?
22:53
SPEAKER_00: This guy, this guy just always keeps surprising, clearly.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: Bonjour.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Bonjour, okay.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: You need to go deeper.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, superficial phrases, but aren't going to put it, you know.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: But the good thing about this event is I think as I mentioned before, was that you know there is a lot of content here in the local language, a lot of a good opportunity for you to meet you know the German community, which it is growing.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: It feels like in terms of compared to where it was a few years ago, okay, you didn't really have big all-day events here in Germany.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: Now you've got not only this happening, you've got user groups like uh I think Matthias Schmidt has got his um, there's more one in the Hannover, I think.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so around um Casper Insight's journey.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so I so yeah, definitely.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: I think the community in Germany is is growing rapidly.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: I think as well the fact that like this is the third third time we have Color Cloud, um, and we already have um a second day of like so many interesting sessions and different tracks and speakers from all over the world.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: So we have not only people from Germany here or from Europe, there are people coming from Canada, from the US, they're coming from all over the place, um sitting in their plane.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean sitting in a plane, not their plane, they're not literally flying to play themselves, but you know what I mean.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: So they're they're coming from all over the world just to speak here uh and get in touch with the community, and I think this is this is just like the the biggest and the best compliment for a conference if I can attract from people from all over the world, right?
24:19
SPEAKER_00: So what's your biggest tip?
24:20
SPEAKER_00: For somebody who's maybe thinking about coming to these conferences for the first time, or is it at their first other conference, what would you sort of recommend they do?
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Do it.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: Just do it, just do it.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: Just do it, just do it, just do it.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Just show up, do everything.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Show up, show it's like a bit like in a gym.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: Showing up is like more than half the business already done.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: So you just need to be there.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: Come here, come to Clock Hall.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: If you don't know anyone, I mean you listen to us, so you know us too somehow.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we we can we can we won't buy, we won't um say anything horrible to you, we you know horrible to each other, obviously.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, yeah.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: But it it's a very close circle of horrible things.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: And it does not go outside this way.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: So as I was saying, you know, it's it's the typical uh for those of you who come from an Irish background, you know, the more you hate someone, the more you like them.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: This is this is how I show my affection to you.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think there's by treating you like a complete asshole.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: My word your words aren't mine.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: Your words are mine.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: Explicit.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I think it's a German laugh language, yeah.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so yeah, if you're if you're new, if you're a new speaker as well, or you want to speak on these events, um let us know or get in touch with like your favorite community member.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: They will be so happy to help you, they will be share the stage with you, they will help you prepare.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Um I put my hands in the fire for everyone in the business applications uh area of MPs that they will always be so happy to help you and um to uh bring you to the stage, bring you to these events because this is where we all started.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: I I I'm not born as a natural speaker or I'm not born to be the community person.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: I I I just started doing it and uh it was so nice to just share my knowledge and just to um help others and answer their questions, which is so much joy because at the end we're all sitting in the same boat and we all face the same troubles, we all face the same uh challenges and from a technical perspective of course.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: So and and therefore um there is someone who had this issue or had this error before or had this request before.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: So there will be someone who can help you with that.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there will be some there are some good opportunities this year to get involved.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Like we're talking about over to a few people before about Scottish Summit, that's gonna be a really good way, a good and also a good way for new speakers to get into the whole sort of thing as well.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: So do check that out.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: And I think as well, we'll be hearing later on about when Product Cloud 2027 is gonna be taking place, and also crucially the location.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, this will be interesting.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: So let's see, let's see what they've got in store for us next year.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, the event will be back again, it's gonna be as good, if not greater.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Seems to be every year, more and more momentum growing, the event growing better and better and better, and really sort of absolutely giving some great benefit of the side.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: I think let's wrap it up.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: I think you've got somewhere to be, you've got somewhere to be, haven't you?
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I may do have a session right now after my lightning talk on pre-jibrations and my enthusiastic session about age builder and co-polar studio.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Um I now will roast for 45 minutes um past created uh agents I did.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: So I will basically go through all the mistakes I've done in the past months, which is a lot.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: It's only 45 minutes.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: That's very bold of you to be that sort of arch on yourself.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but yeah, I I made the mistakes.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't want that you make the mistakes.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: So I will show the audience like what you need to do, what you shouldn't do, and um how a good agent could look like from an architecture perspective.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: I hope it goes well.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: So um yeah, don't make the same mistakes this guy did.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, clearly he's he's got regrets, he's full of regrets, full of joy, full of joy, and uh full of um Fritz Cola.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: Fritz Cola.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of Fritz Cola here.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: We've been very well kept with the beverages, uh I think as well later on, also as well at the after party, there will be some good times to be had.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: This guy, this guy's gonna this get this guy knows what this means.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: So drink talking.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: So drink responsibility, drink responsible, right?
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Drink responsible.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Drink responsible, yeah.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: See?
28:21
SPEAKER_02: And with that, see you at Color Cloud 2027.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh book your flights, book your trains as far as soon as they announce the dates.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: I think they did not have announced the dates, maybe when the episode.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be later on.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: We should know the details in the in the description so you've got them.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: Yes, so definitely this is a stop um throughout the community calendar, which we look forward a lot.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh you should also, it's a great conference, it's a great event, and always happy to come back here and uh always such a nice inclusive world of people.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Great way to finish.