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Sharri | 3 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Night, Good evening, Sorry tonight, Albanezi accused of turning
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Speaker 2: a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. He failed to
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Speaker 2: mention the terror threat in Federal caucus today.
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Speaker 1: Former Home Affairs Secretary.
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Speaker 2: Mike Bozzullo would join me in an exclusive interview. He's
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Speaker 2: calling for an Operation Sovereign Border style campaign to tackle antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up in a moment also on the show tonight.
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Speaker 2: Despite evidence from British Israeli hostage Emily Damari that she
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Speaker 2: was held in UNRA facilities in Gaza, Penny Wong continues
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Speaker 2: to send millions of your taxpayer dollars to the terrorist
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Speaker 2: riddled organization, and ahead of the election, the top donors
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Speaker 2: to both the Labor and Liberal parties revealed.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you who they are tonight.
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Speaker 2: Plus, Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing joins me on the show
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Speaker 2: for an exclusive interview. But first, Anthony Albanesi continues to
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Speaker 2: turn a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister addressed Federal Caucus today ahead of the final parliamentary
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Speaker 2: sitting period before the election, and in his caucus address,
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Speaker 2: he failed to even once mention the antisemitism emergency that
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Speaker 2: Australia is experiencing. This is a wave of domestic terror.
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Speaker 2: It's affecting our entire country, with a preschool and a
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Speaker 2: synagogue in different states Firebond. But Albanezy didn't think it
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Speaker 2: was important enough to mention. Instead, he told his MP's
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Speaker 2: and I'm quoting, we begin twenty twenty five with a
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Speaker 2: great sense of optimism.
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Speaker 1: Optimism. What world is he living in?
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Speaker 2: This is the most terrified time to live in Sydney
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Speaker 2: or Melbourne in decades.
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Speaker 1: Babs. Ever, if the.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has really failed to understand the climate in
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Speaker 2: the country, he supposedly leads that he is more out
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Speaker 2: of touch than we realized. He's surrounded by high walls
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Speaker 2: and twenty four to seven security at the Lodge and
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Speaker 2: at Kiribilly House.
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Speaker 1: He's shielded from.
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Speaker 2: The wave of domestic terror that's unfolding on our streets,
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Speaker 2: and his comments optimistic, everything's fine.
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Speaker 3: His attitude is unforgivable.
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Speaker 2: The fact that he's let our country degenerate to the
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Speaker 2: point where criminals feel free to attack Jews is unforgivable.
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Speaker 2: As Dennis Shanahan writes tonight in the Australian Anthony Albanese's
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Speaker 2: caucus address signals he doesn't want to talk anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: or an earlier elects. And here's what Dennis Shanahan told
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Speaker 2: Peter Kradlin earlier.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Alberesi has been unable to answer key security questions
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Speaker 4: about the caravan bomb in Durall in Western Sydney, and
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Speaker 4: he has tried to deflect the anti Semitism issue as
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Speaker 4: much as he can. This week in the Parliament. He
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Speaker 4: didn't mention it in his address to his labor colleagues,
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Speaker 4: first address to the Labor Caucus this year.
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Speaker 2: Make no mistake, this is the single most critical national
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Speaker 2: security issue Australia confronts right now, yet Albanezi, the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to know about it. Just on the weekend
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Speaker 2: we saw anti Semitic attacks across Australia, including Jewish women
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Speaker 2: being egged while walking down the street. The young women,
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Speaker 2: aged in their twenties, were reportedly wearing Star of David
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Speaker 2: necklaces like I Am in Bondi at nine point thirty
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night and a group of men egged them.
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Speaker 2: The car they were speeding around in was later found
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Speaker 2: abandoned in a nearby suburb, Rose Bay, where the jerry
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Speaker 2: can found inside and the egg carton.
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Speaker 1: Police said that they're investigating.
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Speaker 2: This as an anti Semitic incidents an.
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Speaker 1: Say at this point in time, yes we are.
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Speaker 2: That's what the police say officially on the record. Across
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Speaker 2: the country this weekend there was also in Sydney in
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Speaker 2: suburbs Randwick. In Kingsford, cars vandalized and walls and buildings
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Speaker 2: with f jews. In Melbourne, a prominent Jewish business leader's
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Speaker 2: home who I'm not going to name was also graffiti
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Speaker 2: with the star of David and in Wa a.
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Speaker 1: Swastika and more f jews.
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Speaker 2: This anti Semitic vandalism has sadly become normalized. Even police
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Speaker 2: admit antisemitism is now normal. This was Deputy Police Commissioner
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Speaker 2: Dave Hudson saying on Thursday that the caravan with explosives
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Speaker 2: wasn't your normal anti Semitic attack.
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Speaker 5: Obviously, the discovery and the detection of the caravan contained
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Speaker 5: with an amount of explosives was not known to be
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Speaker 5: used in the normal anti Semitic attack that we have
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Speaker 5: seen occur in Sydney, such as graffiti and arson attacks.
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Speaker 2: How can there now be a normal anti Semitic attack.
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Speaker 2: This is the reality of life in Australia right now.
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Speaker 2: As the Deputy Police Commissioner said, anti Semitic attacks are
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Speaker 2: now normal. Antisemitism has become normalized in our country under
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi. Yet the Albanese government struggles to call out
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism when it's from the pro Palestinian or pro
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Speaker 2: Hamas Kraut.
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Speaker 3: It seems they can only talk about the Neo Nazis.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister on Kyle and Jackie O's show on
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Speaker 2: Thursday morning, and that was one of his first interviews
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Speaker 2: after the news broke of the very serious terror threat
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Speaker 2: of the caravan full of explosives.
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Speaker 3: Well, in that interview he only mentioned Neo Nazis.
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Speaker 6: I think the Asia Director General Mike Burgess has been
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Speaker 6: much more public in recent years to go through about
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Speaker 6: the threat that comes from a range of sources, from
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Speaker 6: the rise of far right groups and we saw Neo
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Speaker 6: Nazis marching in Adelaide, coming from all over Australia.
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Speaker 2: Not one mention of the threat from Pro Hamas supporters
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Speaker 2: from Radical Islam, which by the way, Mike Burgess has
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Speaker 2: spoken about. He calls it religious extremism. Penny Wang today
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Speaker 2: this morning also spoke repeatedly about white supremacist groups.
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Speaker 7: Terogram is a network which enables and is utilized by
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Speaker 7: white supremacist groups, people and groups who spread hate White supremacists.
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Speaker 7: Terrorists who are utilizing this network now face financing counter
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Speaker 7: counter terrorism sanctions if they engage in with the assets
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Speaker 7: or providing financial supports.
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Speaker 2: Why can't the Albanezy government also speak about the threats
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Speaker 2: from the pro Palestinian crowd. Police told me on the
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Speaker 2: record categorically that both the pro Hamas activists and the
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Speaker 2: Neo Nazis pose a threat to the Jewish community. The
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Speaker 2: pro Harmus crowd and the Neo Nazis both pose a
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Speaker 2: current threat to the Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: Don't they.
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Speaker 8: Whether that's threat or just a traditional ideological opposition to
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Speaker 8: Zionism and Jewish interests, that's certainly the case, and it's
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Speaker 8: most unfortunate that it continues to be the case, particularly
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Speaker 8: when it's in our community.
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Speaker 2: That's certainly the case, he said. Now, along with this
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Speaker 2: police admission, we are seeing evidence that both are behind
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Speaker 2: some of the recent incidents. One of the individuals facing
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Speaker 2: court in relation to the first Willara vandalism and torching spree,
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Speaker 2: has A hesbela tattoo on his neck Hesbela tattoo, And
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Speaker 2: we've also seen swastikas graffitd Onto synagogues and the Neo
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Speaker 2: Nazis chanting on the steps of the Victorian Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Why man, breedom, man, freedom with the white man.
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Speaker 2: The threats very clearly are from both Islamic extremism and
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Speaker 2: Neo Nazis. Yeah, the Albanzi government seems more comfortable speaking.
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Speaker 3: About the Neo Nazis, and perhaps.
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Speaker 2: Albanzi government ministers are reluctant to speak about Islamic fundamentalism
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Speaker 2: because they don't want to lose the support or any
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Speaker 2: votes from their Muslim constituents. And the Albanzi government continues
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Speaker 2: to support problematic institutions like UNRA, despite evidence emerging that
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Speaker 2: hostages were held captive in camps run by UNRA. British
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Speaker 2: Israeli hostage Emily Damari told Kirs Stamer on her release
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Speaker 2: that she was held in an UNRA facility. She said
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Speaker 2: she was also denied medical treatment despite being shot in
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Speaker 2: the hand and the leg while she was in the
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Speaker 2: UNRA facility. Harmas only gave her an out of date
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Speaker 2: bottle of iodine to treat her gunshot wounds. So UNRA
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Speaker 2: facilities are being run by terrorists, yeat. The Albaneze government
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Speaker 2: is still sending millions of taxpayer.
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Speaker 1: Dollars your money to UNRA.
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Speaker 2: In total, Albanezi has given millions and millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: to UNRA since October seven, tens of millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: since October seven, that since the terror attacks on Israel.
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Speaker 2: Even after evidence emerged that UNRA employees committed some of
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Speaker 2: those October seven atrocities, the Albenezi government continued to fund
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Speaker 2: the corrupt and disgraceful institution, and it continues to do
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Speaker 2: so despite Emily Demari being held hostage in an honor facility.
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Speaker 1: There's no excuse for this, and.
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Speaker 2: Surely Petti Wong should now be revising her assessment that
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Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood is a top priority after she saw the
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Speaker 2: grotesque scenes of her must terrorists surrounding one female hostage
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Speaker 2: on Thursday night as Abel Yehood was finally set free.
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Speaker 2: Look at that the terrorists were despicable as they surrounded her.
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Speaker 2: Arbel is twenty nine years old. She's an innocent civilian.
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Speaker 2: Look at her being swamped, frightened. She looks like she's
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Speaker 2: being swallowed up by these horrible monsters. She must have
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Speaker 2: been beyond terrified.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Also released over the weekend was.
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Speaker 2: Yarden Bibas, whose wife, Shiri Bibas, and whose two young children.
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Speaker 1: Kafir and Ariel, are feared to be deaf.
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Speaker 2: Yah Dan arrived home to Israel without his wife or children,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure none of us can begin to imagine
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Speaker 2: his pain.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've reported before that Israel believes Shii, Kafir and Ariel
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Speaker 2: were murdered by Hamas. There can be nothing in this
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Speaker 2: world worse than a nine month old baby and his
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Speaker 2: four year old brother being kidnapped from their home by
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Speaker 2: terrorists and then if what Israel believes is true and
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Speaker 2: then murdered.
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Speaker 1: I mean the very idea of children stolen from.
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Speaker 2: Their homes, their toys, their families, their happy life, and
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Speaker 2: taken to dark tunnels where they would have been starved
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Speaker 2: and treated cruelly and then killed. Kafir and Ariel and
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Speaker 2: Shiri and Yarden all deserved better than this. The Red Cross,
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Speaker 2: Amnesty International, UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, OXFAM, and World Vision
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Speaker 2: all let them down. They should be As shamed. The
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Speaker 2: United Nations let them down. These holier than our organizations
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Speaker 2: claim the moral high ground, but they have.
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Speaker 1: No morals at all.
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Speaker 2: They're a disgrace watching what has happened to the Bibas
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Speaker 2: family and to those despicable scenes of terrorists intimidating young
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Speaker 2: innocent women.
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Speaker 1: This should be a wake up call, but it won't be.
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Speaker 1: We have seen the true nature.
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Speaker 2: Of this barbaric, brutal and misogynistic culture that the leftist
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Speaker 2: labor crowd continue to bizarrely support. Who in their right
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Speaker 2: rational mind would side with those harmus monsters who raped
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Speaker 2: and beheaded and slaughtered innocent children, teenagers and families instead
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Speaker 2: of siding fair.
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Speaker 1: And square with a nine month old baby.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in now Sky News host Joe Hildebrand
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Speaker 2: and Steve Price.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Steve, so much to talk about, but I want to
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Speaker 2: ask you about how the Prime Minister has failed to
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Speaker 2: speak about anti Semitism at Federal Caucus today when we
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Speaker 2: are all experiencing every Australian this wave of domestic terror.
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Speaker 9: It just beggars belief. I mean, it's extraordinary that the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister does not feel that he needs to come
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Speaker 9: out and be as strong as he possibly can against
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Speaker 9: this wave of anti Semitism. It's almost as if, and
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Speaker 9: you put it perfectly, it's almost as if he has
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Speaker 9: convinced himself that somehow it's not real. Surely, Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: you've been to the scene of the childcare City, You've
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Speaker 9: been to the synagogue in Melbourne. You must realize that
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Speaker 9: this is now something that you've got to be a
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Speaker 9: hell of a lot tougher on. I mean, you had
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Speaker 9: the former Health Minister Greg Hunt, the former Treasurer Josh
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Speaker 9: Friedenberg again at the weekend pleading with the government to
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Speaker 9: do more.
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Speaker 7: What do they do.
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Speaker 9: They just wheel out a few more twists and turns
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Speaker 9: in their hate laws and they're going to do some
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Speaker 9: deal with the Greens apparently. I mean, god forbid that
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Speaker 9: you've got Marine Farouki, who refuses to even condemn a
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Speaker 9: mask for what happened on the seventh of October. She's
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Speaker 9: the one who's going to be negotiating on behalf of
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Speaker 9: the Greens. I don't think Anthony Albanez he gets it.
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Speaker 9: I just think he's in this weird bubble in Canberra
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Speaker 9: and he somehow thinks that it's not happening. I don't know.
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Speaker 9: I can't explain it.
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine speaking about optimism as being the tone
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Speaker 2: Joe when that's not the real in Sydney, Australia, irrespective
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Speaker 2: of your your faith, or nationality or background.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look in terms of the PM's kind
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Speaker 10: of personality, I've always said that his confidence and optimism
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Speaker 10: is both his greatest strength and his greatest flaw, his
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Speaker 10: great weakness. And I think I think there is probably
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Speaker 10: a sense, certainly there is a problem in the cultural left,
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Speaker 10: and there's a problem in you know, very large elements
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Speaker 10: in the PMS in a where Sydney electorate, that there
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Speaker 10: is just this completely bonkers counter narrative that these people
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Speaker 10: tell each other like an ideological it is an ideological
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Speaker 10: dogma where everything you just said kind of almost didn't happen,
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Speaker 10: that they honestly live in an alternate reality. I'll give
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Speaker 10: you an example. You showed the footage of the musk
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Speaker 10: terrorists masked, you know, crushing this poor hostage as they
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Speaker 10: pushed through the crowds. I had someone someone who just
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Speaker 10: constantly after every single column, whether it's about Palestine or
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Speaker 10: Israel or not. We'll sort of write in with all
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Speaker 10: this sort of crazy propaganda saying, how dare you more
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Speaker 10: media propaganda? Hear these mass warriors were there protecting this
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Speaker 10: poor hostage from the Palestinian crowds, and you think they're
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Speaker 10: the bad guys. And I honestly it sort of did
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Speaker 10: my head in to try to figure out what on
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Speaker 10: earth this person was coming from. It's one of those points,
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Speaker 10: Hang on a minute, you were left here a neo Nazi.
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Speaker 10: And the thing is that these people end up in
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Speaker 10: the same place. There was a famous case a few
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Speaker 10: years ago where an actual neo Nazi, a white supremacist,
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Speaker 10: tried to join a Green's sponsored function in favor of
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Speaker 10: Palestine and against Israel because I thought, oh great, we're
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Speaker 10: all on the same page here. So it's no wonder
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Speaker 10: you have left wing activists, mask sympathizes and neo Nazis
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Speaker 10: all responsible for these acts because they're all on the
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Speaker 10: same side.
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Speaker 1: And it's irrational.
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Speaker 2: And at some point, you know, those sort of people
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Speaker 2: have to acknowledge that they themselves are racist.
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Speaker 10: Their brains are just broken. And labor has needs and
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Speaker 10: I think I think the scales of peeling off that
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Speaker 10: labour needs to make sure and there are plenty of
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Speaker 10: people in the Labor pardy who realize how bonkers and
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Speaker 10: damaging you crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's not the whole Labor Party because you can look
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Speaker 2: at Premier Chris Myth.
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Speaker 10: That's right, it's just elements of the hard left.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and unfortunately the Prime Minister comes from the hard left,
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Speaker 2: as does Penny Wank. Now let's have a look at
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Speaker 2: this disgraceful story in New South Wales that you might
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Speaker 2: have heard about it tonight. It was front page of
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Speaker 2: the Sunday Telegraph as well. They broke the story. The
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Transpot Minister Joe Halen has been slammed
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Speaker 2: for using taxpayer funds to splash on a chauffeur for
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Speaker 2: a private winery trip on the Australia Day Long weekend.
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Speaker 2: This was Linda Silmalis's story. She's an excellent journalist. Here's
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Speaker 2: what the minister said about it today.
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Speaker 11: While that travel was within the rules, it doesn't meet
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Speaker 11: the pub test and I fully acknowledge that and I
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Speaker 11: own that mistake. Stick my hand up and say I
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Speaker 11: made the wrong decision. Here I apologize for it, and
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Speaker 11: that's why I'm also repaying the cost of that trip.
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Speaker 2: In full, and Chris Mins has also been criticized for
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Speaker 2: saying that he's not going to sack her or another
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Speaker 2: minister who went with her on that taxpay funded, schaffer
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Speaker 2: driven ride.
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Speaker 1: Here's the premiere. I want you sacked, Joe Haylo.
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Speaker 3: And Rose Jackson, but extraordinary used taxpay Lindy.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, I'm not going to sack the ministers. I appreciate
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Speaker 12: that this is a major error and a big lapse
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Speaker 12: of judgment, and I am confident and I'm hopeful, and
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Speaker 12: I've told them both that I expect that they'll learn
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Speaker 12: from this mistake and that they won't repeat it.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price, you can imagine if this was labor ministers,
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Speaker 2: you know, using a taxpay funded schaffer to go to
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Speaker 2: a winery.
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Speaker 1: You can imagine that outcry from labor. How oh, you
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Speaker 1: know what this is? Hypocrisy?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's unbelievable. And Chrismins has made a couple of
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Speaker 9: big errors in the last couple of weeks, this in
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Speaker 9: particular where he says I'm not going to sack the minister. Well,
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Speaker 9: imagine what it was like this afternoon when you were
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Speaker 9: in the Premier's office and suddenly the telegraph reports will
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Speaker 9: hang on. It's not just the big Winery booze up trip.
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Speaker 9: She's been using show for driven government cars to transport
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Speaker 9: her son, according to The Daily Telegraph, back into Sydney
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Speaker 9: at the weekends to play sport, and then took her
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Speaker 9: family to some picnic up in the Blue Mountains, which
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Speaker 9: was a two hundred kilometer round trip as well. Now
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Speaker 9: she's a Minister for Transport, it seems that her interest
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Speaker 9: in transport only only amounts to show for driven cars
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Speaker 9: provided by the taxpayer.
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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, Joe, you know this is a terrible look.
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Speaker 2: There's a cost of living crisis the transport minister. What's
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Speaker 2: wrong with the buses or the trades.
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Speaker 10: It's disgraceful. There's no excuse for it. I think even
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Speaker 10: the sort of even trying to argue that it was
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Speaker 10: technically within the rules is an extremely foolish thing to do.
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's a sackable eventse No, Look, I think.
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Speaker 6: I don't think.
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Speaker 10: I don't. I don't think heads on pikes are necessarily
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Speaker 10: always the answer, and Chris Means is right about that.
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Speaker 10: But I think it does the fact that it is so,
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Speaker 10: I mean, Chris Means, she's you know, Joe Halen has
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Speaker 10: come out and said, oh, but it was within the rules.
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Speaker 10: Chris Means has immediately come out and said, well, that's
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Speaker 10: why we're going to change the rules so that this
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Speaker 10: can't happen. The only reason why ministers have this discretion
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Speaker 10: is they're meant to be able to use their judgment
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Speaker 10: to say to rail workers, oh, sorry, no you can't
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Speaker 10: have a pay rise because it's too extravagant, or we
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Speaker 10: can't afford it. Well, at the same time, racking up
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Speaker 10: a seven hundred and fifty dollars taxi bill on New
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Speaker 10: South Wales takes taxpayers. I mean, it's really damaging. Chris
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Speaker 10: Means I can assure he's asolutely filthy. You can see
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Speaker 10: the look on the Deputy Premier's face standing behind.
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Speaker 1: Him as she just she was trying to get out
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Speaker 1: of shot.
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Speaker 9: She daggers.
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Speaker 10: You could actually see the daggers flying from her eyes
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Speaker 10: and very quickly when us it's just from left faction.
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Speaker 2: Incidentally, Yeah, let's get to this, that's why they'd be
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Speaker 2: that's such hypocrisy. Steve Price, I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about this trade war that Donald Trump is being criticized for,
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Speaker 2: and we're also starting to see the Albenezy government here
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Speaker 2: in media reporting saying oh, well, if there's not a
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Speaker 2: rate cut, it's Donald Trump's fault.
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Speaker 9: Well, seriously, I mean, was anyone surprised that Donald Trump
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Speaker 9: suddenly introduced tariffs on Canada and Mexico. You've spent the
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Speaker 9: whole year on the presidential campaign saying that if I
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Speaker 9: win the presidency, I'm going to put tariffs on the
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Speaker 9: crowd because they keep letting illegals flat across the border,
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Speaker 9: both from Canada and from Mexico. I mean, was anyone
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Speaker 9: surprised by this? I mean, and fancy suggesting that, you know,
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Speaker 9: if we don't get a rate cut, a's Donald Trump's fault.
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Speaker 9: Please leave me alone.
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Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, Joe huder Brand, thank you, fod
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Speaker 2: so much for seeing us.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's return to this wave of domestic terror.
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Speaker 2: There's no question the Albinezy government it hasn't done enough
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Speaker 2: on national security. There's one person who knows this better
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Speaker 2: than anyone. He knows this area inside out because he
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Speaker 2: used to lead the Home Affairs Department as secretary. Mike
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Speaker 2: Pozzulo joins me now from Canberra. Mike, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much to have you on the show. Great to have
23:18
Speaker 2: you on the show once again. Look, you're saying that
23:21
Speaker 2: an operation Sovereign Borders style or campaign should now take
23:26
Speaker 2: place to tackle anti Sammitism.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by this?
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Speaker 13: Well, good evening, Sharion A very pleased to be here
23:35
Speaker 13: to talk about a very grim topic. Security issues typically
23:39
Speaker 13: are in the background and their chronic, whether they're public
23:41
Speaker 13: safety of domestic security. You just simply assume that the
23:45
Speaker 13: agencies have got a grip on the issues. When they
23:48
Speaker 13: become acute though, and it's not just in this area
23:50
Speaker 13: as violent as a borrent as recent developments have been,
23:54
Speaker 13: but whether you've got a major cyber attack, the wave
23:56
Speaker 13: that we saw when the Islamic State Caliphate was rampant
24:01
Speaker 13: it for a few years, whether it's boat arrivals, you
24:04
Speaker 13: need a very strong ministerial leadership of unified command and
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Speaker 13: control arrangements, not so that you can direct the field operatives.
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Speaker 13: They know what they're doing. We have fantastic operators in
24:16
Speaker 13: both the Federal Police in ASIO and the New South
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Speaker 13: Wales Police. It's really about the upstream issues. Why is
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Speaker 13: this happening, What are the strategic gramifications of it worsening?
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Speaker 13: What can we do to prevent people ID eighting or
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Speaker 13: getting on boats or attacking us through cyber whatever the
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Speaker 13: issue is. OSP was a very successful template that not
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Speaker 13: only staunched the flow of boats in twenty thirteen and fourteen,
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Speaker 13: but it worked principally because there was a single line
24:44
Speaker 13: of empowered authority from the Prime Minister to mister Morrison
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Speaker 13: to Lieutenant General Angus Campbell. It didn't mean that Angus Campbell,
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Speaker 13: who was the first OSB commander, all of sudden became
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Speaker 13: a policeman or all of sudden became the head of
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Speaker 13: another agency. He coordinated effort, galvanized it. If agencies then
25:03
Speaker 13: had to say General Campbell, we can do that, but
25:05
Speaker 13: to get legal authority, we need to get this type
25:07
Speaker 13: of warrant, he would say, fine, get on and do it.
25:10
Speaker 13: It's that really bringing people together, that is the galvanizing
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Speaker 13: value of a cross agency and in this case, I
25:17
Speaker 13: think multi jurisdictional task force.
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Speaker 2: Mike, we've seen this multiple attacks now that most normal
25:26
Speaker 2: people would be considered would consider terrorist incidents. You know,
25:32
Speaker 2: a caravan full of explosives that could create if it
25:35
Speaker 2: was detonated, a forty meter blast wave. Do you think
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Speaker 2: there's a case for the terror threat.
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Speaker 1: Level to be raised.
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Speaker 13: Look not necessarily. First of all, there are a professional
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Speaker 13: judgment seed to be applied by the National Threat Assessment
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Speaker 13: staff in ASIO, who are world's best leading. They are fantastic.
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Speaker 13: I work very closely with them through their Director General
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Speaker 13: for many years. We already have from August of last year,
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Speaker 13: Shari the level raised to probable. That means in the
26:08
Speaker 13: next twelve months, so from August of twenty four through
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Speaker 13: to August of this year, there is a fifty percent chance,
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Speaker 13: in fact greater than fifty percent chance of an attack
26:18
Speaker 13: either being undertaken or planned to be executed and gets
26:22
Speaker 13: thwarted or disrupted. So we're already at a level of
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Speaker 13: greater than fifty percent risk of it occurring. For the
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Speaker 13: Director General now to go to expect it, which is
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Speaker 13: the next level up, and I've got very deep confidence
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Speaker 13: in mister Burgess and his staff. They would really need
26:38
Speaker 13: something much more fine grain to say there is an
26:42
Speaker 13: attack that can be expected at any moment, and for
26:46
Speaker 13: that to occur without causing undue alarm I think would
26:49
Speaker 13: be a very big step. I think that a probable
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Speaker 13: We're already at a situation where we should be activating
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Speaker 13: these CT arrangements in the way that I've been describing.
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Speaker 13: In any event, probably should have been doing so from
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Speaker 13: last August when the level was raised.
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Speaker 2: I think the reality is, irrespective of whatever the technical
27:09
Speaker 2: criteria is, the terror threat is expected.
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Speaker 1: We are expecting something. Every week.
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Speaker 2: It seems that there is another incident, another fire bombing,
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Speaker 2: which is ideologically motivated, because we know that because there's
27:22
Speaker 2: anti Semitic graffiti ideologically motivated. So it is happening, It
27:27
Speaker 2: is unfolding around us. Mike Bisula, I want to ask you.
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Speaker 13: I should say I agree with you completely. By the way,
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Speaker 13: I just want to be very clear. I'm distinguishing between
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Speaker 13: the clinical, technical standards and thresholds versus the lived experience.
27:41
Speaker 13: I can't imagine what it would be like living as
27:45
Speaker 13: a Jewish Australian person in Sydney, Melbourne, or indeed anywhere else.
27:50
Speaker 13: You certainly would feel that apprehension of an expected attack.
27:53
Speaker 13: So I don't want to take anything away from that
27:55
Speaker 13: visceral feeling that regrettably some members of our community have,
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Speaker 13: and they should have. They should feel safe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Mike Bisilo, do you think it was a
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Speaker 2: wise idea to issue nearly three thousand visas to Gazans
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Speaker 2: from a terrorist controlled zone when they're educated and brought
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Speaker 2: up to hate Jews, at a time when we have
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Speaker 2: an anti Samitism crisis. Isn't this showing extreme disregard for
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Speaker 2: anti Sammitism?
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Speaker 13: Not necessarily, I understand the number of the question. There
28:33
Speaker 13: is an issue here of judgements about character. Last year
28:37
Speaker 13: there was a debate about whether there'd been an ASIO screening,
28:40
Speaker 13: and again ASIO have to apply very high thresholds in
28:44
Speaker 13: terms of the security assessments that the Director General has
28:46
Speaker 13: to make. I think from an abundance of caution, and
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Speaker 13: I can just speak from my personal preference. I wasn't
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Speaker 13: the Secretary at the time I left office in September
28:56
Speaker 13: of twenty three. Of course, the borrant attacks occurred in
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Speaker 13: October over of twenty three. From an abundance of caution,
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Speaker 13: I probably would have paused any consideration, even from a
29:07
Speaker 13: character point of view. In other words, I would have
29:11
Speaker 13: applied a character lens, which is able to be done
29:13
Speaker 13: through the Migration Act by way of minister or direction,
29:16
Speaker 13: really just to pause all of those visas, just to
29:19
Speaker 13: work through precisely that issue. So there's a question of
29:22
Speaker 13: the security assessment that the ASIO Director General has to apply,
29:25
Speaker 13: and by law, he makes that assessment under the very
29:29
Speaker 13: strict criteria the ASIO Act.
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Speaker 8: And then there are.
29:31
Speaker 13: Character judgments that have to be applied by the decision
29:34
Speaker 13: makers who work ultimately under the authority of the Immigration Minister.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying, out of an abundance of caution, you
29:41
Speaker 2: would have paused the intake from Gaza after October seventh.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would have. If you were running Homer
29:48
Speaker 1: facts considered, I.
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Speaker 13: Would have taken a step back, consulted with Five Eyes partners,
29:54
Speaker 13: consulted with the Israelis. Of course, there are checks done.
29:58
Speaker 13: You can't cross into Egypt without going through an Israeli checkpoint.
30:01
Speaker 13: That would have helped. I would have just I would
30:03
Speaker 13: have pulled all of that material together, put a freeze on.
30:07
Speaker 13: And this can be done by way of ministerial direction,
30:09
Speaker 13: because ministers can under the Migration Act not either turn
30:13
Speaker 13: or modify individual decisions made by decision makers, but they
30:16
Speaker 13: can set parameters for decisions.
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Speaker 8: I would have just.
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Speaker 13: Until the situation became clearer and after extensive consultation with
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Speaker 13: Five Eyes, European, Israeli and other colleagues, I would have
30:31
Speaker 13: taken an extra cautious view of those visas on character
30:35
Speaker 13: grounds and not just simply the more narrow lens that
30:40
Speaker 13: the Director General of Security has to buy law apply
30:43
Speaker 13: in a very restricted fashion. And we had that debate
30:45
Speaker 13: last here about whether there was.
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Speaker 2: It's a sensible approach, Mike Bizulo, if you were still
30:50
Speaker 2: Secretary of Home Affairs, but you know the Abenezi government
30:54
Speaker 2: moved on you in September twenty twenty three despite all
30:58
Speaker 2: of your hard work over a long career, including Operation
31:01
Speaker 2: Sovereign Bordis, which we began speaking about tonight. Mike Bazilla,
31:04
Speaker 2: really appreciate your coming on the show tonight. Now still
31:09
Speaker 2: to come the latest ads from Labor and the Coalition
31:12
Speaker 2: and they show where the election fight is heading. Plus
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Speaker 2: Australia's top political donors revealed you'll be surprised.
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Speaker 1: By some of the results. That and more with my
31:22
Speaker 1: political panel next.
31:27
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our political panel now, former
31:30
Speaker 2: media advisor to Scott Morrison Andrew Carswell and former.
31:33
Speaker 1: Chief of Staff to Bill Sholt.
31:35
Speaker 3: And Cameron Miln are great to see you both.
31:37
Speaker 2: Now the government has launched a scare campaign against Peter
31:42
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton personally, I want to get your take on it.
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Speaker 1: Here it is.
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Speaker 14: These are all cost of living measures introduced by the
31:51
Speaker 14: federal Labor government because we understand the pressure families are
31:56
Speaker 14: under and every little bit helps. But look who was
32:01
Speaker 14: opposed to every single.
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Speaker 1: One of them.
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Speaker 14: Whichever way you look at it, you'll be worse off
32:09
Speaker 14: under Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Now let's see what you think will be more effective
32:17
Speaker 2: that Labor ad or this coalition.
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Speaker 15: Out Later, I started a small family business. It grew
32:25
Speaker 15: to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which
32:31
Speaker 15: means that you were relied on to balance the books
32:34
Speaker 15: and be responsible as a minister. I learned that a
32:39
Speaker 15: strong economy and a safe community are central to everything
32:42
Speaker 15: that you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests
32:45
Speaker 15: and always make decisions in our national interest.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, what does this tell you about how Labor and
32:52
Speaker 2: the Coalition are now pitching themselves?
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Speaker 16: Well, telling you that Peter Dutton has actually got some
32:58
Speaker 16: really positive numbers, and he's obviously opened up with a
33:01
Speaker 16: very professional ad talking about himself. The piece you miss
33:04
Speaker 16: which I love the most of that ad is the
33:06
Speaker 16: picture of him and John Howard actually which is the
33:08
Speaker 16: next section of that ad. I think it's a perfect
33:10
Speaker 16: and poignant moment of peed Dutton's history in politics. But
33:13
Speaker 16: it tells you Labour's running scared. I mean, Labor promised
33:16
Speaker 16: a new politics, Albert promised that politics is going to
33:19
Speaker 16: be changed by him, and he said he's just gone
33:21
Speaker 16: back the sludge bucket, got the mark and started to
33:23
Speaker 16: throw it. I mean, this is just a that said though,
33:26
Speaker 16: it's a pretty weak ad. It's a pretty weak negative,
33:29
Speaker 16: a bit like Labour's leader, a bit like Labour's leader agreed.
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Speaker 1: It's not a good ad.
33:33
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to read what's in each of
33:35
Speaker 2: the boxes. You know, no one has time for that
33:37
Speaker 2: when they're busy. You need an ad that's going to
33:39
Speaker 2: grab you straight away if you're making school lunches or
33:42
Speaker 2: whatever it is.
33:43
Speaker 1: Andrew clearly in our busy lives. Yeah, Andrew clearly.
33:48
Speaker 2: There's an effort from Dutton's campaign campaign to sell him
33:53
Speaker 2: as the human they're trying to, you know, change his
33:56
Speaker 2: image a little bit, soften it a little bit.
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Speaker 17: What do you think, Well, first and foremost, I actually
34:03
Speaker 17: disagree on the Labor I think it's more effective than
34:05
Speaker 17: you're giving it credit for Yes, it's a little bit
34:08
Speaker 17: wordy at the start, but clearly they are moving away
34:12
Speaker 17: from this strategy where they're denigrating Peter Dutton for his
34:15
Speaker 17: strong leadership characteristics. That was never going to work. That's
34:18
Speaker 17: actually pointing to that guy, and so they vote for
34:19
Speaker 17: him because he's strong, and when Australians are crying out
34:22
Speaker 17: for strong leadership, they're going to get flocked towards the
34:26
Speaker 17: guy that is actually strong. So I think it's actually
34:29
Speaker 17: a sensible ad from Labor for once. I must admit
34:33
Speaker 17: it gets the tone right and it's clearly directed at
34:38
Speaker 17: women voters as well. I think it just taps into
34:40
Speaker 17: that innate thought that women voters have towards essential services
34:47
Speaker 17: and the funding of essential services.
34:48
Speaker 3: So I think it taps into that.
34:50
Speaker 17: But it's very clear also on the flip side, that
34:54
Speaker 17: this is the Dutton that most people see behind the scenes,
34:57
Speaker 17: and that is what's been trying that Liberal Party are
34:59
Speaker 17: trying to to address you. They have this preconceived idea
35:03
Speaker 17: who Peter Dutton is, based on the work that he
35:05
Speaker 17: has done in this place, the hard jobs that he's
35:08
Speaker 17: had to undertake, the fact that he's been an attack
35:11
Speaker 17: dog on behalf of very determined governments. So that's one
35:13
Speaker 17: side of Peter Dutton, but not often people see the
35:16
Speaker 17: other side, and those that have worked closely with him
35:18
Speaker 17: and know him personally know that what's been displayed on
35:21
Speaker 17: this at is the Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's have a look at who the biggest
35:26
Speaker 2: donors have been to the political parties over the past year.
35:30
Speaker 2: Topping the list for Labor, perhaps surprisingly was billiardaire Anthony Pratt.
35:35
Speaker 2: He gave a million dollars to the Labor Party. The
35:39
Speaker 2: Liberals received nearly six hundred thousand dollars from Merit and
35:42
Speaker 2: properties controlled by Harry Triggerbof and five hundred thousand dollars
35:46
Speaker 2: from Gina Ryan Hartz Hankock prospecting Cameron. This is quite
35:52
Speaker 2: interesting and this is during the past year, so we
35:54
Speaker 2: don't know the election period yet but this could change
35:58
Speaker 2: once again.
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Speaker 16: It could. But what's good about this is we've got disclosure.
36:03
Speaker 16: It's good in the Australia that we actually got transparency
36:05
Speaker 16: around the political donations that I made. And I think
36:07
Speaker 16: corporate Australia should be contributing the political process. And I
36:10
Speaker 16: think when you see Anthony Prat over the years and
36:12
Speaker 16: usy holdings, you'll find they're pretty equal, So next year
36:15
Speaker 16: I suspect it will square up. But nevertheless, it's great
36:18
Speaker 16: that they're involved and great they're making that contribution because
36:20
Speaker 16: they should be involved in our politics and they should
36:22
Speaker 16: be supporting our political parties of both political persuasions.
36:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know that Anthony Pratt just gave fifteen
36:28
Speaker 2: million dollars to Trump's campaign, so you never know he
36:30
Speaker 2: could support Peter Dutton this time around.
36:32
Speaker 1: We just don't know yet.
36:34
Speaker 2: Andrew, can you tell us a bit about Climate two
36:37
Speaker 2: hundred and the Teals funding and how that compares.
36:42
Speaker 17: Yeah, I don't honestly have an issue with the funding
36:45
Speaker 17: on either side of politics, and even with the Teals
36:47
Speaker 17: as well. I agree transparency is king here. We have
36:52
Speaker 17: a great system of transparency that shines a light on
36:55
Speaker 17: who is giving what and for what reason, and I
36:57
Speaker 17: think that's appropriate. But we're not talking big dollars here. Also,
37:00
Speaker 17: compared to the American system, I think a lot of
37:03
Speaker 17: political parties here in Australia they seriously run off the
37:07
Speaker 17: smell of an oily rag. So we don't see that
37:10
Speaker 17: top of issue here with other jurisdictions, And I would
37:14
Speaker 17: note too that even when people do throw tens of
37:17
Speaker 17: millions of dollars at the political system, it doesn't necessarily
37:20
Speaker 17: buy you influence, as Clok Palmer found out.
37:23
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, well, there was an interesting piece in
37:26
Speaker 2: The Australian Today. Chris Mitchell, the columnist has described the
37:30
Speaker 2: partnership between the Prime Minister and the treasurer as similar
37:34
Speaker 2: to between Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. Cameron Milner, you
37:38
Speaker 2: know these characters, these people very well. What did you
37:41
Speaker 2: think of this column and this analysis?
37:46
Speaker 16: Well, look, the Albany's government's far worse than the rug
37:48
Speaker 16: Gillard Rud period, and for one simple reason. The Labor
37:51
Speaker 16: caucus should be doing its job and finishing off a
37:53
Speaker 16: lazy and week leader. They did it, did it to
37:55
Speaker 16: write when he failed? They did it's a Gillard when
37:57
Speaker 16: she failed. The Labor caucus has outsourced their response ability
38:00
Speaker 16: to voters at the next election rather doing what they
38:02
Speaker 16: should have done, which is roll the guy.
38:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:05
Speaker 2: No, it's fascinating to hear you say that the current
38:09
Speaker 2: Albanezer government is worse than the Rud Gillard Rudd chaos
38:13
Speaker 2: worse And I think that is what a lot of
38:14
Speaker 2: people are starting to say that this is the worst
38:17
Speaker 2: prime minister perhaps in Australia's history. All Right, Andrew, we're
38:21
Speaker 2: out of time. We'll get your response next week. Great
38:24
Speaker 2: to have you both with us again. Now coming after
38:27
Speaker 2: the break, my exclusive interview with Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing.
38:31
Speaker 2: He's one of the few people in Hollywood speaking out
38:34
Speaker 2: about antisemitism, and after the break he shares his very
38:38
Speaker 2: personal family story.
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Speaker 1: Don't miss it, welcome back.
38:48
Speaker 2: Well, we haven't seen enough people in Hollywood who are
38:53
Speaker 2: truly influential speaking out about the antisemitism crisis that's affecting
38:59
Speaker 2: the entire international community. Australian born actor Daniel Lissing. He's
39:04
Speaker 2: known for his roles on TV series like Last Resort
39:08
Speaker 2: and When Calls, The Heart and The Rookie, also in
39:10
Speaker 2: many Christmas movies. He joined me to tell the remarkable
39:14
Speaker 2: story of his grandparents and how they survived the Holocaust.
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Speaker 17: Here it is.
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Speaker 1: Daniel's so great to have you on the show. Thank
39:22
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 18: Thank you so much for having me, Sherry. I'm grateful
39:27
Speaker 18: you asked me to be on.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell me a bit about this project? If
39:31
Speaker 1: you heard what I heard?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, If You Heard What I Heard is a
39:36
Speaker 18: great nonprofit. It was founded in twenty twenty one in
39:43
Speaker 18: April by a woman here in Los Angeles named Carolyn Siegel,
39:48
Speaker 18: and she is the granddaughter of Holocaust survivors. And she
39:54
Speaker 18: witnessed Andy Semitic incident the year before and thought that
40:00
Speaker 18: if these people had heard the stories that she had
40:03
Speaker 18: heard from her grandparents growing up, then then maybe there'd
40:07
Speaker 18: be a little less hate in the world. And so
40:11
Speaker 18: she founded this organization. Out of all the organizations to
40:16
Speaker 18: do with anti Semitism, the Holocaust Jewish Affairs, this is
40:22
Speaker 18: the only one that has a primary focus on the
40:28
Speaker 18: last generation to ever hear the story's first hand from
40:33
Speaker 18: Holocaust survivors, the grandchildren like me. So If You Heard
40:38
Speaker 18: What I Heard interviews the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors so
40:43
Speaker 18: that we might continue their legacy and continue the stories
40:49
Speaker 18: of their heartbreak and resilience and strength to a younger generation.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, I think the story of your grandparents is just
41:01
Speaker 2: so remarkable. Rebecca and Herman, can you tell us about
41:06
Speaker 2: what they went through?
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Speaker 18: My grandparents were young, normal kids growing up in Amsterdam
41:16
Speaker 18: in the nineteen thirties, and then when war broke out.
41:24
Speaker 18: A lot of the Dutch population thought, well, this couldn't
41:26
Speaker 18: possibly come to Dutch soil, and of course it did.
41:32
Speaker 18: And during that time, as the Nazis were occupying Holland
41:37
Speaker 18: and the sanctions were coming in and the roundups and
41:40
Speaker 18: the deportations and the laws and restrictions against the Jewish
41:44
Speaker 18: people systematically, my grandparents met. They joined the Dutch underground,
41:52
Speaker 18: They fell in love, and they did all they could
41:57
Speaker 18: to resist this month that was taking over Holland and Europe.
42:06
Speaker 18: By the time my grandparents my grandmother's parents were deported,
42:13
Speaker 18: they decided it was time for them to escape, and
42:15
Speaker 18: that's what they tried to do, to get across the
42:18
Speaker 18: border down into Belgium. But soon after they were both
42:22
Speaker 18: captured about six weeks apart, and then sent to Auschwitz,
42:28
Speaker 18: which I'm sure your viewers know was the biggest Nazi
42:31
Speaker 18: death camp there was. And my grandmother said to me that,
42:37
Speaker 18: you know, we were Dutch. The life expectancy for a
42:42
Speaker 18: Dutch girl, because there was the women's camp and the
42:46
Speaker 18: men's camp, the life expectancy for a Dutch girl was
42:48
Speaker 18: only six weeks there in the camps, and by all records,
42:54
Speaker 18: out of the sixteen hundred people on her transport, which
42:59
Speaker 18: was Transport twenty three force, survived out of sixteen of
43:05
Speaker 18: those people were gone to the guest chambers on that
43:09
Speaker 18: very first day. Because she was young and strong, she
43:15
Speaker 18: was allowed to try and work. But every day new
43:23
Speaker 18: people were coming in and they had to make room,
43:27
Speaker 18: and so they would do selections and if you failed
43:32
Speaker 18: the selections, you were off to the guest chambers.
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Speaker 2: It's such a miracle, a true miracle that both Rebecca
43:40
Speaker 2: and herman survived the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. And after miracle,
43:45
Speaker 2: because one point one million Jews were killed in Auschwitz,
43:48
Speaker 2: how did they reconnect afterwards?
43:51
Speaker 6: Yeah?
43:51
Speaker 18: Yeah, so through through the camps. My there was messages
43:59
Speaker 18: occasionally going back and forth between the camps, and my
44:01
Speaker 18: grandmother had heard that herman had died of typhus early on,
44:08
Speaker 18: and so she had lost hope until the death March.
44:15
Speaker 18: The death March was, you know, walking in rags in
44:19
Speaker 18: minus ten minus twenty snow through Poland. They crossed a
44:27
Speaker 18: man's camp, and my grandmother had heard that herman was alive,
44:32
Speaker 18: but he wasn't going to make it. So that was
44:34
Speaker 18: the little glimmer of hope. But there was no way
44:37
Speaker 18: that he was going to survive it. So so she
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Speaker 18: at that point, I think, just lost the will to live,
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Speaker 18: and somehow she says this, she said that to me.
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Speaker 18: But somehow she held on to liberation, which was not
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Speaker 18: long after that. And when she was suffering from typhus herself,
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Speaker 18: she was thirty three kilograms in wait. She was destroyed, emotionally, physically,
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Speaker 18: spiritually gone and she was sent back to Amsterdam to
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Speaker 18: a hospital there, but the hospital really couldn't treat her.
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Speaker 18: And there was this there was this hospice in just
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Speaker 18: north of Amsterdam. Now, my grandfather after liberation was very
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Speaker 18: much in the same boat, you know, but he had
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Speaker 18: hope that maybe his wife survived, maybe because she was strong,
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Speaker 18: she was a fighter, he knew that, and he said
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Speaker 18: about finding her. And so he spent after liberation, he
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Speaker 18: spent weeks diting his way across Europe from Poland to
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Speaker 18: get back to Holland, and he would stop at Red
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Speaker 18: Cross stations, hospitals, and he Allied troops that would be
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Speaker 18: giving care to these prisoners.
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Speaker 8: He was looking for her.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, So he was dotting his way across Europe to
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Speaker 18: try and find his wife. And he was stopping at
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Speaker 18: all these places, searching her name and looking at manifests
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Speaker 18: and things like that. Eventually he found the right one
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Speaker 18: and led back to the Netherlands. He got on a
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Speaker 18: train he went there. He was standing outside her hospital
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Speaker 18: room and there was a woman there that was taking
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Speaker 18: care of her and said, she's so fragile right now.
46:46
Speaker 18: She believes your head. It's a miracle you're here. Just wait,
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Speaker 18: I have to I have to tell her that you
46:55
Speaker 18: were outside the room. And this Kara walks in and
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Speaker 18: tells Rebecca, this is going to be a shock, but
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Speaker 18: a family member survived your husband. He's standing outside this room,
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Speaker 18: and she didn't want to believe it. She hit under
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Speaker 18: the covers and she felt this presence come into the room.
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Speaker 18: My grandfather walked in and she was screaming go away.
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Speaker 18: You know, she just couldn't believe that anyone could survive
47:27
Speaker 18: what she had survived. She was ready to die, she'd
47:31
Speaker 18: given up, and when they were reunited, she had a
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Speaker 18: reason to live.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, listen, thank you so much for sharing this incredible
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Speaker 2: story with us.
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Speaker 18: Thank you for your time, I mean, honestly, anytime, mate,
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Speaker 18: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Such a lovely guy and I've written up that full
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Speaker 2: story of what happened after Rebecca and herman reconnected.
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Speaker 3: It'll be on the Sky News website a bit later.
47:56
Speaker 2: But after the break Peter Dutton's secret weapon ahead of
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Speaker 2: the election. Stay tuned, all right. Well, it's interesting to
48:10
Speaker 2: see how relaxed Peter Dutton looks at the start of
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Speaker 2: an election year. He's relaxed, he's confident, and he's quietly
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Speaker 2: confident of a win. Dutton is also softening his image
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Speaker 2: by bringing his family into the election campaign, and I
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Speaker 2: hear we'll be seeing more of Peter Dutton's twenty two
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Speaker 2: year old daughter Rebecca over the coming months. She's set
48:32
Speaker 2: to pop up more in her dad's campaign materials. She
48:35
Speaker 2: already had her first appearance in this campaign.
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Speaker 15: At later, I started a small family business. It grew
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Speaker 15: to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which
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Speaker 15: means that you were relied on to balance the books
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Speaker 15: and be responsible. As a minister. I learned that a
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Speaker 15: strong economy and a safe community are central to everything.
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Speaker 15: That you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests
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Speaker 15: and always make decisions in our national interest.
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Speaker 2: We saw in the US election the Donald Trump's son Baron,
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Speaker 2: he became popular online. His granddaughter Kai Trump also gave
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Speaker 2: a speech at the Republican Convention. Now, Duttan is known
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Speaker 2: as a tough politician, and we need that in the
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Speaker 2: country at the moment. We need someone who's strong, not weak.
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Speaker 2: His wife Kiri Lee and his daughter Rebecca will help
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Speaker 2: present a softer and more family friendly image to win
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Speaker 2: over some of the female voters the coalition needs to
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Speaker 2: win the next election.
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Speaker 1: Now that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you here tomorrow at eight o'clock. We've got
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Speaker 2: another great show tomorrow night. David Coleman, he'll be on.
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Speaker 2: He's the new Foreign Affairs shadow spokesman, so don't miss
49:48
Speaker 2: his interview.
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Speaker 1: But right now, here's Paul Murray.