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The Saudis or Dana White: Who is Worse for Boxing? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknowns but hailing from the city of Sins. Put your
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  Speaker 1: hands together for Jamison Will and in this standing.
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  Speaker 2: At five foot ten, weighing in at pounds and coming to.
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  Speaker 1: Us from his super secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for looking back to the episode of
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  Speaker 1: the Mixed Company podcast. Of course, on one half of
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  Speaker 1: the show, this is Jamison as always, en joined by
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  Speaker 1: Luise Louise.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, man Adi?
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  Speaker 2: Jamison? Uh, super happy to be back on the microphone.
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  Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about. It is out allergy.
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  Speaker 2: Sweason is allergy season is in full swing over here.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of us aren't doing great nasally and
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  Speaker 2: coffee Lee, but we're gonna make this work. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a great episode. Biggest news that has come out
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  Speaker 2: in the last few days or within the past week,
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  Speaker 2: so study Arabia. The Saudis, who have a lot of funding,
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  Speaker 2: not just in boxing but in a lot of different sports,
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  Speaker 2: UH seem to be pulling funding back, tidening their belts
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to say. You know they've been taking
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  Speaker 2: a lot of losses on some events they're sponsoring, and
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  Speaker 2: word on the street is, you know, Eddie Hern specifically
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  Speaker 2: said himself that there's not going to be as much
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  Speaker 2: Saudi money in boxing. They've lost a lot on these
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  Speaker 2: events and it's not sustainable. Sure they're you know, they
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  Speaker 2: have a shit load of money, but nothing less forever,
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  Speaker 2: you know, nothing is unlimited. One thing that's affected is,
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  Speaker 2: uh this event called Live Golf that I don't know
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  Speaker 2: anything about other than it is Saudi backed. Either they
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  Speaker 2: sold it off or it's just been shuttered. So uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: where where do we think boxing is going to be
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  Speaker 2: if Saudi funding is just let's let's not say non existent,
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  Speaker 2: just say less than before.
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  Speaker 1: So what we talked about being the chat throughout the week,
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  Speaker 1: boxing is always gonna be okay, somebody's always gonna pick
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  Speaker 1: it up no matter how it goes, right, it has
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  Speaker 1: been who picks it up, what the ramifications are, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. With that being said, uh, it's not good
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  Speaker 1: when the big money backers having issues in anything, right,
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  Speaker 1: and whether it's a business, whether it's home whatever.
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  Speaker 3: When the when the big paycheck.
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  Speaker 1: You know, has issues, there's issues However, with that being said,
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  Speaker 1: I think everything's going under restructure right now. Everybody's looking
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  Speaker 1: at things like, hey, there's a lot going on in
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  Speaker 1: the world right now. We don't know what the future
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  Speaker 1: is going to be like right now, this money's been
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  Speaker 1: allocated years past. Everybody's looking for the future like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to allocate, We're trying to project. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of uncomfortable projecting things right now with everything
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  Speaker 1: going on. I think that's the biggest issue with what's
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  Speaker 1: going on right now with sports and with boxing and
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  Speaker 1: general comes in the Middle East because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff's going on over there. We are not put up
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  Speaker 1: a podcast, so they're not going to get into that.
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  Speaker 1: But with that being said, when you have a big
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  Speaker 1: money part partner that is impacted by things going on
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  Speaker 1: overseas and wars and whatnot, then yeah, everyone's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: a lot differently because that's just natural. That's how business works.
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  Speaker 1: So I think boxing is kind of getting caught into that,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like Live Golf did. Live Golf was out
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  Speaker 1: there paying everybody a crazy amount, like triple of what
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  Speaker 1: they're making with PGA Golf.
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  Speaker 3: It was just insane. But like everything else, one, it
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  Speaker 3: didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: Secondly, the biggest thing is we knew it wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 1: be sustainable. And that's why I'm very curious about boxing,
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  Speaker 1: because a couple months ago, mister Hitchens had a fight
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  Speaker 1: where he bowed out.
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  Speaker 3: Day of right, I'm not mistaken. It was day I'm
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  Speaker 3: out for day in the morning, up right.
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  Speaker 1: And then two months later we see him with Prolonga
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  Speaker 1: promoting a new company. Now, you know, I start thinking
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  Speaker 1: about some things, and like, wait a minute, this new company,
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  Speaker 1: this guy the face of their situation, and he just
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  Speaker 1: so happened to not fight.
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  Speaker 3: Last minute on a different situation. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, make it makes sense, right, something,
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  Speaker 1: something's a foul here, Something is not adding.
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  Speaker 2: Up right, I mean a couple of things. Uh, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's just so much to get into. God, I hard
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  Speaker 2: even know where to start. But uh, well, I knew
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  Speaker 2: I knew that this, this this Saudi bunny thing wasn't
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  Speaker 2: gonna be long term. You know, let's don't shit a
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  Speaker 2: shitter here, everybody. We know that they got into this
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  Speaker 2: not because they cared about sports, but they wanted to
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  Speaker 2: sanitize their image of history of human rights abuses. Let's
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  Speaker 2: let's call call it what it is. Once that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if that worked out for them and they can negotiate
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  Speaker 2: something else, you know they were gonna leave boxing behind
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  Speaker 2: if if not leave it behind entirely. You know, this
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  Speaker 2: was a very very strong promotional push basically Saudi government propagetta.
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  Speaker 2: Let's call let's just call it. I call it that,
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  Speaker 2: but just on you know, that's not great. But at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, if you ever watched the show Deadwood,
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite lines is that if money had
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  Speaker 2: to be had to be cleaned before it change hands,
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  Speaker 2: we'd still be living in a fucking cave. So, uh, it's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's all dirty somewhere, right, It's all Buddy is always
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  Speaker 2: bloody somewhere or another. So let's let's be clear about that.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, ZUFA Boxing, Dana Whites, Big Boxing Enterprise, which
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  Speaker 2: also with Saudi back. You know, they're getting more into
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  Speaker 2: citing different fighters. They signed Connor Ben for one fight
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  Speaker 2: and extended it I think maybe for like three or
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  Speaker 2: four fights. I can't remember, doesn't matter, But yes, Richards
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  Speaker 2: and Hitchins and Edgar Berlanga are now you know two
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  Speaker 2: big one one and a half big names that are
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  Speaker 2: that are promoting ZUFA.
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  Speaker 3: So like that, that's what we want today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say to like you, I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say two big names, but you know, let's be clear.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. We just had one and we would have
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  Speaker 3: been just fine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really was disappointed that burlonger went
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  Speaker 2: to see I don't think anybody cares, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: With you, Prolongo is not Puerto Rican. We would not
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  Speaker 3: care about him, agreed.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'll agree with that. We're just in hitchins.
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  Speaker 2: He showed a lot of promise, you know, we were.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have talked about his career going forward.
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  Speaker 2: We were excited about what he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah he's kind of he's hitched his wagon to
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  Speaker 2: uh to Dana White. Uh but yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, Dana White was backed ZUFA was backed
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  Speaker 2: by Sonny Money as well. But you're not gonna I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna sit here and act like Dana White as
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  Speaker 2: nicol and diming his way through anything like that. Man
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  Speaker 2: is has a shipload of money, a shitload of influence, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: not just in sports, but politically and he's this is
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  Speaker 2: the prime opportunity for him to just kind of step
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  Speaker 2: in and uh take more fighters, get more hype, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, make more connections with the boxing side. He's
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  Speaker 2: not universally loved. Oscar de la Hoya talks about him
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  Speaker 2: all the time as as as we know, but money
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  Speaker 2: talks and money and influence TALC and he has both
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  Speaker 2: of those. So agree, I will say this, not knowing
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  Speaker 2: where the future of money in boxing is going and
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  Speaker 2: where the sadis are going to be, I think we
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  Speaker 2: can definitely say that you and I have both said
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  Speaker 2: that that high amount of money, those amount of paydays
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  Speaker 2: have been detrimental in the bigger picture in the long
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  Speaker 2: run for boxing because fighters get big paydays, they chill.
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  Speaker 2: Fighters get big purses and they come in a sleep
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  Speaker 2: in the ring, like the like Ryan Garcia and Devin
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  Speaker 2: Haney and the times square to Buckle that you know
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  Speaker 2: was put on and hyped up because they're getting their
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  Speaker 2: check and they know it's going to be a bag.
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  Speaker 2: So like, why would you work hard if it's guaranteed,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So I think that maybe
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  Speaker 2: this could be in that sense, it could be good
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  Speaker 2: that there's not guaranteed cash flow, and you know, the
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  Speaker 2: studies did. We're absolutely willing to lose money on all
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  Speaker 2: of these enterprises because because making money wasn't the point,
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  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, so it was kind of it
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  Speaker 2: didn't matter. They were funding their their image instead of
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  Speaker 2: these events, so they didn't care about spending this money.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's drying up, maybe you're going to are
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  Speaker 2: going to see fighters working harder, taking more fights to
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  Speaker 2: try to make that back.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because fighters have been like this
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  Speaker 1: for over ten years now. This is nothing new. We've
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  Speaker 1: we've had this air wind. When did PBC is ten
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  Speaker 1: years old? Right, Like we first have PBC fights and everything,
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  Speaker 1: that big deal with Al Hayman and all them came together,
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  Speaker 1: that was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, if not mistaken.
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  Speaker 3: Since since ever since then, god's been chilling. I mean chilling.
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  Speaker 1: I mean one every eighteen months, one fight whenever they
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  Speaker 1: feel like it, or they'll fight somebody they have no
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  Speaker 1: business fighting, just to say they're fighting, and they'll fight
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  Speaker 1: like a main challenger every two and a half years,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, nah, that's not how boxing works. But
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  Speaker 1: when the money was really good, you can get away
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  Speaker 1: with that. Like I like Dandy Garcia a lot either
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  Speaker 1: fringe boxing Hall of Famer. He might even make the
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  Speaker 1: Boxing Hall of Fame, and I wouldn't have a problem
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  Speaker 1: with it. But that guy getting like five million fights
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  Speaker 1: like as a headliner in like eight million, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: like all right, man, like he cool, but you know
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  Speaker 1: as Enny Garcia like all the respect, like cool, but
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  Speaker 1: he's not a bad fire at all. But you just
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  Speaker 1: think of guys at headline fights with certain like tears.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think of him as a guy like headlining
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  Speaker 1: a fight and making a boatload of money. It's just
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  Speaker 1: not there. He can't a lot of card, but it
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  Speaker 1: better be a strong card, it better be a regional card.
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  Speaker 1: So those are the things that you think of when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to like fires, like PBC put a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys in that that way. Like I will say
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  Speaker 1: PBC did give us Earl Spence really early. They put
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  Speaker 1: him in a lot of fights early. He was on
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  Speaker 1: undercards of other guys, So they did do a good job.
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  Speaker 1: But the big guy at the top that were like
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  Speaker 1: headline and making money, they got kind of lazy in
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  Speaker 1: my eyes, to where they only fought so often to
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  Speaker 1: where it wasn't it wasn't the best interest of the sport,
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  Speaker 1: It was at interest of set boxer, and that was
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  Speaker 1: the issue we had.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point, and let's not for it. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you said, PBC Premiere Boxing Champions For those of you
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  Speaker 2: all out there who don't know that, they started in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and you can see the decline in the
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  Speaker 2: number of events they've had each year. It's less and
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  Speaker 2: less and less, to the point where they were going
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  Speaker 2: from like a couple dozen down to like less than
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  Speaker 2: less than twenty to less than ten, et cetera. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a very steep decline. And yeah, the big story
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  Speaker 2: with PBC is that they were just putting out way
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  Speaker 2: more money than they were bringing in and it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: great for them. You can give credit for for yes,
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  Speaker 2: things like Errol Spence in some matchup s same way
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  Speaker 2: you can give credit to Turkeyola Shake for putting on
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  Speaker 2: Beople versus Better Beev you know, Canelo versus Crawford, which
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  Speaker 2: you know, we we've we talked about at nauseum.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna sit here and say that you know, the end
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  Speaker 2: result of their entering into boxing didn't yield good fights
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  Speaker 2: and good matchups because I've sat here and praised those matchups,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, was stoked about Canelo Crawford. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to be hypocrite about it, but I will
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  Speaker 2: say that, you know, uh, the company, the combination of
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  Speaker 2: huge guaranteed paydays the folks that aren't truly deserving is
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  Speaker 2: a It's just a bad combination in the grand scheme
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  Speaker 2: of things, is my my my opinion on that. I
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be upset if we go back to a
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  Speaker 2: time where you know, people were really working hard. Boxers
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  Speaker 2: were really working hard for a big pay day, even
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  Speaker 2: if they're a name, even if they're a star. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is not a sport.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, no offense to to live golf,
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  Speaker 2: but actually all offense because golf is into sports is
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  Speaker 2: boring as ship. Let's let's not even.
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  Speaker 3: That.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never agree with that, but the point is that
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  Speaker 2: boxers working way harder than golfers. You know, they're already
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  Speaker 2: working way harder than golfers, and they're more deserving of
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  Speaker 2: bigger paydays. Like I won't ever disagree with that, but
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  Speaker 2: also they should not be getting to the point where
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  Speaker 2: they're just chilling.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, so that's what's the compromise. What is
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  Speaker 1: the how do you satisfy both parties? How do you
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  Speaker 1: give boxers what they deserve while keeping guys active. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have like a requirement on how many fights you
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  Speaker 1: got to fight at a certain time?
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a cap on money? It can be
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  Speaker 3: made like what do you do here?
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  Speaker 2: Well? And I at the end of the day, you're
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  Speaker 2: always gonna have to invest more upfront, So I think
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  Speaker 2: we should just be putting younger names, big uh, more
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  Speaker 2: fights more often to build a base, to build a
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  Speaker 2: fan base, and at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be both sides. Is that we're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: bring in more fans to then pay the money for
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  Speaker 2: the for the shit, uh because if there's not big,
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  Speaker 2: big donors, we're gonna have to get bringing money from somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from any kinds of sponsors. But if they're
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  Speaker 2: not enough eyeballs watching, it's not gonna make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's always gonna be money loss. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: A bigger issue is this, we used to create stars.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't had a star in a while, and I
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  Speaker 1: mean a star like Chance Crawford became the star because
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  Speaker 1: he won, But we need a star from early, Like
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  Speaker 1: we need a star. Star Secure has star capabilities, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll see what I mean. A star like Oscar del
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  Speaker 1: Hoya was a star. Floyd Mayweather was a star. Might
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  Speaker 1: we need one of those? Like we love boxing. We'll
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  Speaker 1: always watch boxing if it's on, if it's on to me,
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  Speaker 1: if it's on pay per view, if it's on on
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  Speaker 1: the Spice channel, We'll always watch box and that will
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  Speaker 1: never be an issue. But you need we needed to
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  Speaker 1: the point where the demand is higher. We can want
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  Speaker 1: fights all we want, it's not gonna change the demand.
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  Speaker 1: What we do need is the average to the random
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  Speaker 1: person be like, hey, I missed that guy fighting. I
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  Speaker 1: want to I can't wait to see that again. Or
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  Speaker 1: I will pay one hundred bucks for that fight. We
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  Speaker 1: need more of that, and I think we're missing that.
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  Speaker 1: We need stars right now. We have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good fighters, like David been a ved is a very
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  Speaker 1: very good fucking fighter.
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  Speaker 3: However it's not a star.
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  Speaker 1: He was out here this past weekend and he was
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  Speaker 1: at a regular restaurant and he had his crew with him.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a big ordeal, like he can go
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  Speaker 1: to a regular restaurant. We need to start to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you can't go you can't go to a
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  Speaker 1: regular breakfast restaurant. We need more of those involved. We
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  Speaker 1: won't have that right now.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, And I guess what I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: getting at is that people didn't need to be stars
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  Speaker 2: because they they were paid. You know, it's just like,
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  Speaker 2: why would you try to make yourself into into a
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  Speaker 2: big boxing star with your skills, with your how often
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  Speaker 2: you're fighting with your consistency? Uh, if you already got
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  Speaker 2: the back lined up. You know, you put the cart
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  Speaker 2: before the horse, is what I'm saying. Uh. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yes Mike Tyson was a star, but you
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  Speaker 2: know that man worked his way from goddamn poverty, you know,
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  Speaker 2: deb your homelessness, Uh to get there. He wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: hyped up and then put on social media back by
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of advertising being like he's the next big thing.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, has a lot of YouTube views and
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  Speaker 2: then ended up crashing and burning. We're we're getting a
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  Speaker 2: little too far ahead of ourselves and saying this YouTube
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  Speaker 2: clips of these guys, it's going to lead to a
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  Speaker 2: big audience.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying social media is kind of ruining things
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say ruined. I want to say
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  Speaker 2: that it's people might be putting too much stock in
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  Speaker 2: it nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: You need it.
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  Speaker 2: You you can't be you know, a well known name
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  Speaker 2: and popular without social media. We're on it. Shit, I'm
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  Speaker 2: my fat faces.
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  Speaker 1: On more popular on social media than they're on their craft.
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  Speaker 1: So somebodh might like Ryan Garcia is more popular on
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  Speaker 1: social media than he is in boxing, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean just in general, YouTube, the whole nine, which helps
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  Speaker 1: his brand.
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  Speaker 3: However, I don't know if it helps his craft. Like
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  Speaker 3: that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we both can probably
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  Speaker 1: agree that we have not seen the best of Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Garcia for whatever reason that may be. But on social
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: media he's a superstar on social media, agreed.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I know, I'm not going to be the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: social media hater the grampye. That's like kids these days
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: are only on TikTok and they don't read books. Like whatever, man,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: you can you can do both. But I think they're
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: just too much emphasis on hype social media and becoming
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: a star rather than becoming the best fighter you can
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: be and making yourself just undeniable, you know, unignorable. If
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: that makes it so right, and this might be a
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: good thing, this might make we need guys that are
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: hungry again. You know, we've talked to on the show,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: and we specifically have talked to a lot of young fighters.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: We have an interview with a couple of guys that
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: box in Phoenix last week on our show here, on
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: YouTube and in our audio platforms. Those are young guys,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a couple. One of the dudes only had two fights,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: and you can tell they are hungry. They want to
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: be stars, and they want to get out there and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: show what they can do in the ring. And I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: love that. I love being able to see that in
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: young fighters doing the show, and we just need to
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: encourage that, you know, we need to show up for
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: these guys, remember their names, follow them, you know, follow
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: up with them, and make sure they were that if
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: we like a guy's skills that, you know, we support
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: them and build people from the ground up.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I agree.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, I mean, I'm not I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: don't I'm not pessimistic about the future of boxing. If
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the Saudi's have less influence. I'll tell you that I'm
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: pessimistic if Dan White has more influence. But that's another
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: conversation we have here in another topic. Let's move on
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to this speaking of me having to give credit where
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like it. I've complained on the show
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that you know, boxing is a nonlinear television that is
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: no longer on ESPN. You can't find it if you're
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: at a Dieve bar. If there is a top ranked
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: fight on Friday or Saturday nights, well there is boxing
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: on ESPN. Last Friday, Jake Paul's MVP put on an
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: all women's boxing match. Alicia Bomgardner fought Boneme Ration last Friday.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I watched three fights. All of them were awesome. For
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: those of any viewers listeners who don't know, women's boxing
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: is capped at two minute rounds versus three for the men.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It's capped a ten rounds versus twelve for the guys.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Alicia Bombagarner actually went and by miration they went three
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: minute rounds, so they did ten rounds to three minutes. Cool.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I think that if women want to do that, they
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: should absolutely have the opportunity to do three minute rounds
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: twelve round Max. They can have the choice if they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: both agree to it. And it was awesome. It was
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a great fight. Alicia Boumgunnar was amazing. She moved, She
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: moved very ali like, you know, hands down, shuffling around,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: sticking and moving with the jab and just putting on
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a great show. And you know, then there's more MVP
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: women's boxing events going to be going forward in ESPN.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So anybody who knows me knows I hate Jake Paul.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: If he has one hater, that's me. If he has
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: no haters, I am dead. I will be fair and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: give him credit for promoting women's boxing. I would like
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it more if he didn't try to get in the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: ring himself and didn't have to hear his voice or
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: look at his stupid face. He was there doing you know, commentary.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he could do that after Anthony Joshua broke
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the shit out of his jaw, and also it's coming
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: through with terrible Let's be honest. But again I've complained
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: about boxing not being on linear TV at the very least,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that dude is not only doing that, but putting women
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: fighters at the forefront, which definitely don't get enough credit
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: or respect as it is, and that is a good
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: thing that I can say that he did through created teeth.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: What do you do? I agree, I'm with you and
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: as the thing.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So when it comes to people like Jake Paul, what
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I try to do is try to separate my feelings
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: for them for what they're currently doing. So I may
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: have personal thoughts and opinions about said person, but if
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: they're doing something for the greater good, I can appreciate
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that while separating my individual feelings for said person. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: either way too, it goes both ways, Like if I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: if I have a strong feeling towards somebody or they
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: use something dumb, I'm able to differentiate both things then
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: be fair for over the situation.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe for this one. Look here, man, Jake Paul don't
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: have to do this. He don't.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: He got a lot of other ventures he get into
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: for him to be able to, you know, put some
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: money in people's hands and promote something he don't have to.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: It's I actually appreciate. I can.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I can get behind it because he knows his brand value.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He knows that he can call any network and get
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: anything done. And it feels like he's doing it for
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the greater good. I don't think he's doing it for exposure.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He's not doing it for any of the purposes. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, salute to him, because how many
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: promoters have been talking a big game for the last
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: five years. Every Thursday we see Oscar Lay talk crazy
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: on Twitter on Instagram, and he ain't doing shit all
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he doing talking records every week. But I no solutions.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't mind having a problem. We all got issues
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and problems. We need solutions. Boxing is too great, too
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: beautiful of a sport. Then I have no solutions, all right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So if Jake Paul had a solution, well, shit, you
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: know what Jake Paul is. If that's that's about sound
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and reasonable situation, then hey, if he's if he's putting
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: money in people's hands and putting together good fights, we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: can't complain.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: We can't. We certainly can't. That's all we have.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: That's all we've been asked for since the first episode
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of this show. That's all we ever asked for.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Oh I can, I'll still complain, but but you're right again.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I just it's it's so hard for me not to
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: be a guy dam hater. But uh, he is doing
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the thing that I've that we've been talking about, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he is building stars out of these women. You know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: uh for people that I've always said two before I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: even was a part of the show, just to friends
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: that a women's boxing match generally is always going to
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: be more exciting than any dude's boxing match. And I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: think part of it too is the two minute limit
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that they that they mostly have on rounds is because
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of time to set up traps,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: show bring IQ. They're going out there and they're fucking
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: brawling like they're trying to close the show. Also, they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: have only have ten rounds typically, so they're trying to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: get out there and show that they're dominating in as
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: little time as possible, even if they're not getting a knockout.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They're trying to show the judges that, you know, they're
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the dominant fighter in a shorter time period, and the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: end result is some really awesome brawls. Alicia Bumgarner for
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: this round said for this fight, said that, you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the three minute time extension gives her a chance to,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: you know, show off some ring. IQ move differently and
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you can see that you can see like the gear
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: is working, but for both fighters knowing that they had
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, ten extra minutes in that ring. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: uh but yeah, I think if if, if people really
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: don't are are at all curious about boxing and want
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: to see like how exciting could be find women's fights
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: like start there and you're gonna, yeah, you're gonna get
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a real, real good show. So uh, shout out to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the MVP promoter for putting these these fights on ESPN,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and I will I'll go. I'll be there for the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: next one and I'm very excited for for the next fight.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: That's fair, That was right, that was hard. Okay, another
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: potential fight that could be a good one. This one.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I'm actually I think that we I want to see
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: him very interested in this and I think is the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: right next move. Connor Ben said he wants to fight
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, and Ryan Garcia said he's he's interested. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Connor Ben, British fighter he signed with ZUFA Boxing for
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: one for one fight, got a really big pay day.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I forget what it was, but it was kind of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: ridiculous how big it was compared to the younger guys
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and how much money they probably wouldn't make with ZUFA
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: boxing and how the rules work and how it's all
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: top down blah blah blah. So it was very much
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: like it was a flex like see see what we
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: can do, we can get a big name. Connor Bank
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Ben was just off of his win against Chris you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Bank and it was very much it was it was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a dick swinging move. We were rated explicit. We could
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: say that, uh. Now to be very Conor band is
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a great fighter. He just had an excellent performance against
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Regis Progray at the UH in the card where Tyson
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Fury returned a couple of weeks ago, and he looked fantastic, fast, strong,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of sticking and moving, and I think this
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: would be the optimal choice for Ryan Garcia's next move. Uh.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: We already talked about the back and forth with Hami
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: uh and how Haney said that fight might be gone
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: or they're kind of fighting with each other online. Then
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: he uh he called out Shakur and there was like
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: complaints about wait, blah blah blah blah blah, a lot
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of yapping, not a lot of you know, things getting done,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the usual, the usual. Yes, but this actually could be
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a very good opponent, you know, I was a little
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I was on record is rooting for Mario Barros because
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I expected him to move a little bit better, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: have better ring IQ. He let me down, Danny, Mario Barrows,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you a fellow Texan. Let me down. I appreciate he
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: always shows up and shouts out Palestine. But connor Ben
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: has already demonstrated those skills that I was hoping Mario
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: bart has had in the ring and could absolutely be
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a challenge for Ryan Garcia even if Ryan is at
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: his absolute best, uh not what he looked like against Roly,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: but if it is top tier, I think this would
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: be top tier competition for him. And connor Ben has
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of hype behind him right now. Obviously he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: got the big big name Dana White and boxing. Sorry,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: he's got the the big hyped up name in both
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Dana White and the promotion company backing him on this,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: which means we could actually see it happen and not
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: just be you know, yep, a yap, yap, and I
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: would be excited. What would you think about a Ryan
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Garcia Connor Ben matchup?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Fun fight, fun fight, a lot of a lot of action,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue going into it for sure. I mean,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Ryan's Ryan. You know, he's always He's not not a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: dull guy. He's always something's gonna be going on pre fight,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and I l I even post fight. With that being said,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, that's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the match. What we get, that's what we get. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: mean to me, shakurzo the guy that brought Wade. Honestly,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what he does next. He's the leader of the packet
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: at the moment. But uh, if Ryan fights him like,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that's a it's a good test for the summer. It's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a very good bout and hopefully that leads in something
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in the fall, Like that's the main thing. You're hoping
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that this gets done and then whoever ones is gets
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a bigger fight in the fall.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: We go from there. So I don't mind at all.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said they were aiming for this summer or fall.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know, the negotiation could always end up
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: extending that, but that's this they said that they would
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like to do that. I would actually prefer to see
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this instead of a right Ryan versus Shakur because the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: whole thing with the you know, the weight and whether
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: they're gonna but it just seems more realistic Connor Ben.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: He I think that so that last fight he was
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: at one ranker Season one forty seven, It's probably not
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: even unrealistic for Connor Ben to lose a couple more
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: pounds or for Ryan to go up to a super welterweight,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: so conceivably they could both. I would believe that they're
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: both bigger guys that cut weight, so they could meet
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it at a super welter eight one fifteen. And Yeah,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the reason I think this is I would be more
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: interested in this than a Shakhor fight is because the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: excuses are already there. That's saying that Ryan's a bigger
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: dude and chakurz too scared to go up, and then
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: she coursay he should meet me because he called me out.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And then if if Ryan does lose to Shakur, you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: or rather Shakur loses to Ryan, the fans are going
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: to be, well, you know, Ryan was just bigger, it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: not a good matchup, blah blah blah. You know, I
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I say this is a Shakor fan and not gonna
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: say that, but I know that all that shit is
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: gon gonna come out, and I just we don't need it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So two things. One, if you're the challenger, you got
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to meet the champ. You got to meet them at
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: whatever they request.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That's how it goes.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to get that belt, you're trying to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: get that spot, you got to beat the champ at
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: wherever they're at, whatever they suggest. That's just the rules.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: That's how the rules have always been, how you slice it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: With that being said, once the papers are signed, once
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the paper once to fight a set up, ain't no excuses,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: ain't no nothing. Everybody agreed upon everything. So once we
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: see billboards and pictures and all that shit up, I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ain't trying to hear nothing from nobody, fans included, because
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: at that point you'all agree to the ship. Whatever, whatever's
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: on the table, you'll agree to it. So there's not
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: no oh, well I didn't know there's a rehydration clause,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: or oh I didn't know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Everybody negotiated it, where negotiated, they signed off on it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: We have a fight. That's it. I ain't trying to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: hear nothing about well, such and such to this. No, no, no, no, no,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we are we know everybody's measurements. Security been saying he's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the best in the world for a while. Now with shit,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: let's see it. I don't want to hear no excusees
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: from him. I don't think we would. And Maryan's saying things,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so let's let's do it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, and I would, I would see it,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: of course, I would be excited to see. I'm just
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: saying it's Connor Ben would be a more natural matchup.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: But something that did come up in our TikTok comments
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is that a couple people did say Ryan was the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: one that called out Shakur. Okay, so I did forget
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: about that when I was complaining. So Shakur said, well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: then men go ahead be maybe well, hey, class come down.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So which is which I think is logical. But I
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: see as these and Meros used to say, you got
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to hear both sides. I agree with you, if you're
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the best, you have to you have to show it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: But I also agree that you're gonna call somebody out
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: then complain that they're not meeting you at your weight glass,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: then why are you doing it?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: What?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Don't even open your damp mouth. You know what I'm saying.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: What Ryan should have said, probably is I want to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: fight Shakur. I'll meet him at one forty one. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: don't remember what it was what he fought at one
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: forty and start there. Uh and then yeah, the negotiators
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: are gonna be what they're going to be. But for
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: all of those reasons, I think it's less likely that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we're going to see that fight. To be honest with you,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I would love to see it, but I just I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think something's gonna They're just gonna be pigging.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: There's gonn be pissing into the wind at each other.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I think that Connor Ben fight is more realistic. It
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: would be a lot of fun, It will be very exciting,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I think it would also hype up. You know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: we've talked about how British boxing fans are huge, huge fans.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Connor Ben's their guy against Mexican American Ryan Garcia. I
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: think this could be a potentially great fight. And uh,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: if if we're going to talk about Ryan's next move,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I would rather we say you know that we want
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: this one, and then if you want to fight your
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: cur or whatever, like, just sign the papers or don't.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: But I think this is something that I would be
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: looking forward to for this year as a really really
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: fun fight. I could go either way.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think, I agree that's a that's you want to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: momentum heading into a big fight.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: So I agree.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: If he knocks off Ben, then yeah, that makes total sense,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: makes total sense.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so guys, put it. Let's put it onto the universe.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I want to see Ryan Garcia and Connor Ben the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: ring this year, damn it. So uh speaking of fights
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that are coming up that are have a lot of
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: hype behind them. Friend of the show Jordan Martinez from Phoenix,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: last scene calling out now yeah in a way on
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: our show when I interview him. He fought in February
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and Glendale, Arizona on the Manuela Verret the card. Fought
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a guy named Cardinas. It was a draw, but everybody
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it was a great fight. And Eddie Hearn was actually
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: in the ring spurring on saying like, hey, we want
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to see the running back, don't we. You know, the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: fans saw a great fight and we want to We
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: want the next the next one to see you know
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: what happens next. And he put it out there to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the people saying, do you want to see them run
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: it back. Everybody in the in the arena, I you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: lost their ship, myself included. And it's happening in June,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: so there's gonna be another Arizona based boxing even so,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: unless anything crazy happens, I will plan to be there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Uh So, what I want to say with this not
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: only you know, shout out to Jordan Martinez for giving
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: giving me a chance to interview him, but it's really
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: cool to see just like one of our local guys,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: lesser known dude, smaller name, getting hyped up by somebody
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like Eddie Hern after an excellent performance. And it goes
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to show that a draw doesn't necessarily mean, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the end of your career or you know, it's not
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: going to derail him, especially if he puts on a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: great performance.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: A draw is fine, a loss is what it is.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But a draw, like, depending on how the draw went,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: draw not gonna be do It's not gonna be the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: end of your day.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's okay. Like you know, I think we've
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: gotten as fans, we've been so.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Immune to box was caring about being undefeated rather than
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: fighting great fights. You know, we've we've gone to the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: point where fighters are not fighting the best they can
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because they want to be undefeated.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Instead of putting on the best performances. So you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm with you one hundred percent.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely I've always disliked that of you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: having an all in your record, being like, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it just shows you you're the greatest ever. Like some
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: of our most amazing fighters have o's, you know, when
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: very few come out with that without them. You know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: of course we got Bud Crawford and Flood Mayweather or
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the two that come to mind immediately, but many patio
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: head l's, you know, Mohamada Lely had l's. Is not
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to say that we're going to look back and look
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: them like losers.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Come on, I mean all the ogs have Ray Robinson
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: as the best boxer ever, So I mean it is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what it is, right like, So it's one of those
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: things where boxing is the one sports where even the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: guy's undefeated, he's not the best ever, if that makes sense.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Roy Jones Junior are just looking up now ten losses
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: on his record, like.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Roy different had cast purposes for five of them. So
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that's a whole different thing. We can't, we can't. That's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the whole Roy.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Don't count what I'm saying.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So Roy in the black community was up there with
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Tyson and Floyd when he lost an oh, No in
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: O four. When he lost an O four, it was bad,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Like it was really really bad. Like Roy to us
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: is like I want to say, del Hoyd, that's not fair.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But he's he's up there, while he's up there, up there,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and yeah, man, it's it's unfortunately that the last ten
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: fights they whatever they've been, it's been rough.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It's been rough.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: No, I'm absolutely not. I'm with you. All I'm saying
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: is that someone like that, with an amazing record, an
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: amazing legacy of moving up all those weight classes, is
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: still seen as like one of the greats. Him having
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: ten l's for whatever, that doesn't You're not gonna say
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Roy Jones sucks, sucked because he had ten losses. Come on,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, is that right? Is that you
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: know nobody's gonna say that Roy Jones isn't that great
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: because he didn't come out with an OH when he retired,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Like that's yeah, I'm with you, I get it, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I especially the ability the ability to go through that
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: many weight class because what was his lowest weight class?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Was it like middleweight, like on the lower end.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I remember he went up to fight really ease, I believe,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: at like one seventy five I think. But he was
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a big middle I want to say he was at
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: one sixty for most of his career. I want to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: say maybe even one fifty four.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: The lowest middleweight that he thought that he fought at. Yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the lightest.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I want to say he was that one sixty most
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of his time. Most of his problems at one sixty.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. I'm not mistaken. I could be all,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but I want to say I always felt that he
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: was at one sick. He was never because Dale Hoyas
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I was at one forty seven, and they were never
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: even close to fire. They were never any Those were
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: two main attractions at that time. So yeah, to say yeah,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: one sixty was was correct. I remember he went from
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: one sixty to like one seventy five, and we're like, oh,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: this is this is this is a big move, like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, jumping like that. But it worked out for
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: him until it didn't because fighting John Ruye's is one thing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Fighting other heavyweights not necessarily, no, no, no.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, he went up to he was undisputed
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: at like heavyweight, won seventy five, which is that you
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: got to commend somebody going from one fifty four and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: then progressing all the way up, because that's a that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a big goddamn cap you know. Uh, you know, Hey,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Canilo fanboy. You know, I'm never
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm always gonna support my guy. But we saw
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: what happened when he went up to light heavyweight to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: fight people. You know it real quick? Let me, I said,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: you did bring up Canelos off. It's off our our
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: strip script here When was Canelo's prime? Like what years? Uh, Canilo?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: What is the so he was your.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Pinpoint like this began it and this was the end
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: If that's if you can do that just just out
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of curiosity, I'm just just thinking out out.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say the prime was the if not
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: specific fights when he was middle weight. Yeah, because he
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: went up to because he's super middleweight undisputed right and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: then went up to light heavyweight to fight people and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: never looked back. So his his middle his middleweight years
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: are the best run. That's when he moved the best,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: not to say that he didn't move really well when
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: he fought like Billy Joe Saunders and kayleab Plant. He
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: was fantastic in both of those fights. But you can
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: tell the lighter, uh lighter on his feet, the quick hands,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and the head movement of the middleweight Eric Canello does
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: not compare. Uh. And what I've always said is he
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: was a little guy that beefed up, and he did
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: well beefing up, but he was when he was a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: little guy and moved like a little guy. Yeah, I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I guess the uh the coach
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: uh Coto and Cohn is kind of like the things
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: always go back to that, you know. The con knockout
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: is what I always remember from Canelo because that's in
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: his uh this isle real forever and ever. But uh, yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I want to say that without any specific fights, his
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: middleweight years is what he looks the best.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Got it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious, Yeah, yeah, what what made you bring
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that up?
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Nose?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I always like to ask people when it comes to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the greats, when when was their prime? Because that's always
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: we don't talk about the greats before their prime whole
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: lot or even after. When we talk about the greats.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: We refer to them as their prime. So like when
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you think of Mike Tyson, you think of his prime,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: When you think of Floyd Charce Crawford, Canelo, Oscar, the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on with then about their prime.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So I was always curious of, you know, your judgment,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: because obviously you know you're you said Canello famble, which
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: is all the way, fine, He's an ALI fighter, one
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of the best VI generation. I'm always curious about, you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: other people's definitions of the other people's peaks, that's all.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the era and that the Triple
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: G fights. You know, the way that he moved one
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of the like you could say, oh, well this person
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: when that person won, draw just the way that you
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: know he looked in those fights. That shit was like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: our producer is telling us, I'm naming like a twenty
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: fifteen era twenty fifteen to twenty twenty ISHO Okay, So yeah, sorry,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't have the year. Yeah, I didn't have the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: specific years up on top of my head. But yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I would say that that's uh, the best Canelo has looked.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to take anything away from him
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: for that Run when he fought uh is it Callum
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Smith was the British guy. Then he went Billy Joe Saunders.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That that year of him, you know, go on the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Undisputed Run was incredible, especially that Caleb Plant fight. I
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: went out with a few people, went to see it
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: at at the Neighborhood Bar, and Tucson packed. This hello,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: amazing night, like one of the best nights of my life.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Is just how much fun I was having with that
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: huge crowd standing room only was so packed. When he won,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the place just like exploded, like ears were ringing my throat.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I could barely speak the next day because I was
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: screaming so loud that night. So you know, not to
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: say that that's to diminish his his achievement there in
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: any way, but again in terms of how he looked
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in the ring middle wait Manu and also also our
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: producer Jabari Davis there. I got to tell you this
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: story when we went to the Neighborhood packed, this hell
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I was. We were with a group of like, let's say,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: like six people total, ordering drinks and food easily like
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: three hundred bucks two to three hundred bucks in our tab.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how this happened probably because there
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: was a group of like thirty people behind us ordering
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: bottles in that we got three receipts and they were
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: like twenty thirty bucks for each receipt that like my
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: party got, so I was like, well split it, like
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: we should have we we should have paid like ten
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: times as much as we ended up paying that night.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was like a mistake and where food
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: was put because there was you know, bottles and and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: shots and wings coming out with like you know, amongst
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: like fifty people at a time. But damn that that
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: was the cherry on top, like getting trash, getting home safe,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: by the way, getting a new verse, so let's be
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: clear of that, but absolutely getting trashed, eating a shit
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: ton of great food and walking out of there. You know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: it's spending like less than one hundred bucks per person. Shit,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: but but that's inside there. Yeah yeah yeah, so.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So uh. You typically, you know, our show goes every
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: other week, and next week would typically be an off week.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: But for for the summer at least, you know, we're
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: doing weekly content and actually have a really cool announcement
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that we talked about, uh for for next week. So uh,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: next week, I and friend of the show, Tony, someone
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I know, will be releasing an episode entirely in Espanol.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking about not just the David
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Benavita fight, which is happening on May second, that's the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: episode released next week before the before that fight, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about Mexican boxing in general, kind
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: of the history of it. Tony actually dropped kind of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a spicy take when he was on our show last
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: He said that a Mexican American boxer won't ever have
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the fame, influence, whatever cultural relevance of a fighter from Mexico,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like born in Mexico, And you know, that's a really
• 43:33
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• 43:36
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• 43:39
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• 43:42
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• 43:44
  Speaker 2: on that. But when he and I spoke, was like, hey,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: why not show what the show can do. You know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: we're multifaceted, baby, you know, we can talk we have sports,
• 43:53
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• 43:55
  Speaker 2: it in Espaion as well. So for any of y'all.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: If any of y'all listening do not speak Spanish, I'm
• 44:02
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• 44:05
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• 44:08
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• 44:10
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• 44:14
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• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like in media, so it'll be awesome. But yeah, so
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: for next week we wanted to plug. That'll be Thursday,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: April thirtieth. We will be dropping that. So and if
• 44:30
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• 44:32
  Speaker 2: we'll do some more. I did when I interviewed him
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: on LA in February at the media day. You know
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: he's a Spanish speaker, of course, I interviewed him in Spanish.
• 44:42
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• 44:46
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• 44:49
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• 44:51
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• 44:53
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• 44:57
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• 44:59
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• 45:03
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• 45:07
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• 45:11
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• 45:13
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• 45:17
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• 45:20
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• 45:21
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• 45:25
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• 45:31
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• 45:34
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• 45:36
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• 45:39
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• 45:41
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• 45:43
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• 45:46
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