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Howard Lutnick And The Transcript From His Epstein Related Congressional Hearing (Part 3) (5/15/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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  the Howard Lutnik transcripts from his interview with Congress mister Emmer.
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  Question did mister Epstein ever fly on one of our
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  of one of your private planes? Answer no? Question did
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  you ever fly with mister Epstein on any aircraft? Answer no,
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  I had no other personal interaction with them, just the three,
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  So I'm happy to say no, but there by definition no,
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  since I had no personal interaction with them. Question to
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  the best of your recollection, when was the last time
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  you communicated with mister Epstein. Answer It's the one email
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  exchange in twenty eighteen, and that's the only one that
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  I know of actually. Question, thank you, Secretary. The Committee
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  is also investigating Maxwell. Do you know Glenn Maxwell? Answer
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  from the newspapers. Question have you ever met Kallayne Maxwell? Answer?
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  I met her once? Question can you explain to me
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  and the committee when you met her? Answer to the
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  best of my recollection, I met her once. It was
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  at a Rockefeller Institute fundraiser in New York City. Question
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  and what was the nature of your conversation with miss Maxwell?
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  To the best of your recollection. Answer meaningless inconsequential. Mister
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  Grant pops in. Do you know roughly what year this
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  meeting would have occurred? Lutnick, I do not. Spector asked
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  a question, now, did you know where to be affiliated
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  with Jeffrey Epstein when you met her? Lutnick? No, question
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  by mister Emmer. Who else was present when you met her? Answer? Well,
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  it was a charity fundraiser for Rockefeller Institute, which is
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  the premier medical research institute in New York, which is
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  adjacent to New York Hospital. Question thank you, Secretary Lutnik.
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  In two thousand and five, police in Palm Beach, Florida
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  began investigating Epstein. In two thousand and six, Epstein was
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  arrested for the first time for soliciting prostitution for minors.
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  When did you first learn of Jeffrey Epstein's two thousand
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  and six arrest Answer, I don't recall whether when or
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  whether I knew that, so I just had no recollection
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  whether I knew that or not Spector. Mister Epstein reportedly
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  had to register as a sex offender after he was
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  convicted of that two thousand and six offense. Were you
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  ever notified by way of him being your neighbor. Will
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  you ever notified about his status? Secretary Lutnik, No spector.
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  Did you have children under the age of eighteen during
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  that time? Lutnik? Yeah, Emmer. And to be clear, did
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  you ever have any reason to suspect mister Epstein was
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  sexually abusing young women and girls? Answer no. Question did
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  anyone around you ever discuss mister Epstein's arrest in Florida?
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  Answer not that I can remember. Question Secretary Lutnik, You
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  touched on this in your opening statement, But to be clear,
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  you visit Did Little Saint James Epstein's island in December
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  of twenty twelve? Is that right? Answer? In around just
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  before Christmas twenty twelve, I visited the island for lunch
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  with my wife, my children, my friends, my friend, his wife,
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  their children, and my staff for an hour I did.
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  I'm not sure I knew the name of it either.
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  Question If I said that your visit was on December
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  twenty third of twenty twelve, would you dispute that statement? Answer?
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  I would not, Emmer. At this time, I would like
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  to introduce as majority exhibit one. This is EFTA two
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  one five one five three zero, and I'll give you
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  a moment to review question, so I'll read it into
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  the record. This is an email from Tuesday, November twentieth
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  of twenty twelve, sent by Leslie Groff. The subject line
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  reads Jeffrey Epstein. The email reads, how well mister Lutnik,
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  Jeffrey Epstein understands that you'll be down in Saint Thomas
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  over the holidays. Jeffrey requested I please pass along some
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  phone numbers to you so the two of you could
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  possibly get together. Any numbers you wanted to pass along
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  to Jeffrey would be great as well. I will say
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  it appears that you are the recipient of this email.
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  Do you recall receiving it? Answer? It may be helpful
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  for you to understand that if the email says how
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  are Lutnik or Lutnik Howard, those went to Matthew Gilbert,
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  they didn't go to me. They were not meaning I
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  would never see them. They went to Matthew Gilbert. You
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  know if they went to me, if they're listed as
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  HWL and because I received hundreds of emails sometimes thousands,
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  and they went to Matthew Gilbert and I would not
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  see them. So these would have gone to him and
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  I would not have seen them. Question. I understand, and
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  for the record, that's why Matthew Gilbert would have been
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  the individual who responded to this email. Is that right answer?
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  I mean he would respond sometimes in his name, but
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  he would also respond sometimes to the same email in
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  my name. Question. And you discuss the invite in your
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  opening statement, but I'm going to ask you again, how
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  did your visit did Little Saint James come about? Who
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  coordinated it? Answer? What I still cannot understand is this
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  November twentieth, How or why without any communication for years,
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  would you inexplicably know where I'm going. It's unsettling, actually,
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  but this is how it happened. You know, I don't
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  know why it happened, but this is you're actually literally
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  seeing it how it happened. But it's inexplicable that he
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  would and his staff would know where I was going
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  to be. I had no interactions with them. Question, So
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  to be clear, you didn't reach out yourself to tell
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  mister Epstein that you were going to be in the
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  US Virgin Islands over Christmas? Is that right answer? Yes, Yes,
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  that is correct. I did not in any way contact
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  or have any connection to them. Question, and it would
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  be safe to say that the invite surprised you. Answer,
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  I find it unsettling and inexplicable. Question who else was
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  involved in coordinating the trip to the island? Answer? I
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  have no recollection, so I can't give you more information.
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  I just have no recollection of it. Question. During our
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  review of the documents that have been released, it appeared
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  that your wife may have been in contact with mister
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  Epstein's team. Did she ever say anything to you about
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  the island visit? Answer? Not that I can recall now, no, specter,
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  do you know if anyone on your staff or anyone
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  else close to you had a connection with mister Epstein
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  or his staff. I'm just trying to understand how he
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  may have been aware of your travels. Lutnick, me too,
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  I find it inexplicable and unsettling, and just reading this
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  sort of it's bothersome. So no, I don't know. Emmer.
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  So you are live on the island on December twenty third,
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  to the best of your recollection, Can you describe the
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  events what happened when you arrived on the island. Lut Nick, sure,
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  so it's fourteen years ago. I went for lunch with
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  my wife, my four children, my friend, a couple with
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  their four children, and staff and boat staff. So it
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  was probably fifteen or sixteen people went for lunch. We
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  sat outside, had lunch. It was boring. We left. Spector,
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  did this friend and their family that was with you
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  have any prior connection with mister Epstein? Or were they
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  there as your guests and for your visit to your
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  neighbor Lutnick. They were there as my guests, but I
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  don't know, and I've never heard that they had any
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  contact with them whatsoever spector prior or subsequent to the
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  visit Lutnick, prior and subsequent Spector, thank you question by Emmer,
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  mister Epstein didn't offer you a tour of the island
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  while you were there? Answer no other than we walked.
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  I think like from where we had lunch, there was
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  like this, To the best of my recollection, it was
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  like a cliff, so we went to sort of look
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  at the water. Question what was the nature of your
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  conversation with mister Epstein during the visit? Answer meaningless and
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  in consequential. I was with my wife and my children
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  and my friends, another couple in their children who was
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  a big crowd, and we had lunch and we left. Question,
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  besides the group that you arrived with, who else was
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  present on the island? Answer just staff. You know we
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  were outside under sort of a cover outside area, that
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  was it. Question Did you see any young women or
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  girls on the island? Answer no? Question and I asked
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  this in the context of the New York town Home.
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  But did you notice any weird or unusual artwork when
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  you visited the island? Answer no, I wasn't inside any building.
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  I don't recall being inside any building. Question and you
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  never visited the island again? Is that right? Answer? That's correct? Never.
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  Question did you ever hear rumors about the island? Obviously
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  now it has the nickname Pedophile Island, Nothing of that
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  sort prior to or around the time you visited? Answer no,
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  of course not. In twenty nineteen, we all learned lots
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  of information, but nothing before then. Question there's a photo
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  that was released I believe in the Epstein File Transparency
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  Act and has been reported. Are you aware of the
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  photo of you on the island? Answer yes, question and
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  that was or what you were describing of looking over
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  the cliff. Would it be safe to assume that was
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  when the photo was taken. Answer yes, it's entirely confirmatory
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  that photo. Specter. Had you seen that photo before it
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  was released by the Department of Justice? Lutnick No question
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  by spector. Did you know what it existed? Lutnick, No,
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  mister Emmer. At this time, I would like to introduce
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  majority exhibit and these are photos that were released by
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  the Department of Justice as part of the Epstein Files
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  Transparency Act. Lutnick. Majority Exhibit number two was marked for identification. Emmer.
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  Question and for the record, these are images showing multiple
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  mass of different male faces hanging on the walls of
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  a room at mister Epstein's Island, with a aunt his
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  chair in the middle of the room. Secretary Lutnik, when
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  you visited Epstein's Island, did you see or enter this room?
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  Answer no question. Have you seen pictures of the mass before?
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  Answer no question. The reason that we introduce this is
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  many people online have speculated that one of the masks
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  resembles you, specifically the one on the first page in
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  the middle. What's your response to these claims? Answer, you
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  got to be kidding me. That's the most ridiculous and
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  absurd thing I've ever heard what a bald man I
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  have hair? Look, I mean I don't have many, but
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  at least I have some that is not remotely me.
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  That's nonsense. Question. Thank you. During your visit to the island,
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  did you discuss the company Adfin Solutions with mister Epstein? Answer?
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  No question. What was adfin Solutions? Answer? It was a
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  company that attempted to create an exchange for online ads.
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  They went out of business. Question Were you personally an
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  investor in Adfin Solutions? Answer? No question. Was Canter Fitzgerald
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  an investor and Adfin Solutions? Answer yes to this. Mister
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  Twellinger jumps in, mister Emmer, just so the record's clear.
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  I believe there's different redacted. We can't hear over here. Turwilger. Sure,
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  Just so the record's clear, Mister Emmer, I think you
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  may want to ask which part of counter Fitzgerald there's
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  multiple subsidiaries, or the secretary could offer a little bit
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  more information. Which part of Cantor was an investor? Emmer?
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  Which part of Canter Fitzgerald was an investor? Answer Canterer
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  Fitzgerald has a subsidiary that did venture capital investing with
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  small investments in many companies in sort of high risk investments,
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  and then those would then have subsidiary companies that might
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  be for each particular investment. It was called Canter Ventures,
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  and so the company would be called CV. So Canter
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  Ventures would be CV. But it was a venture capital
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  alarm of counter Fitzgerald, sort of multiple layers down the
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  subsidiary chain. Question. And the reason that we ask is
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  there was a stock purchase agreement that was released as
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  part of the Epstein File Transparency Act that you signed
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  on behalf of CV A FH and mister Epstein signed.
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  Did you know that mister Epstein was an investor in
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  this company adfin Answer no question. When did you learn
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  that he was an investor? Answer to the best of
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  my knowledge, when these documents were released, best to my recollection.
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  Question And would you have been aware of all the investors,
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  whether they were individuals or entities, in any of Kennter
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  Fitzgerald's portfolios. Answer no, of venture capital investments, no question.
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  And for the record, had you and mister Epstein ever
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  invested in the same company prior to this occurrence? Answer no,
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  not that I know of. Mister Grant jumps in the
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  signatory page from the investment to Advin Solutions. You said
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  you had not seen or I'm sorry that you let me.
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  You're a phrase. It's common for another investor in a
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  VC deal to have the page from another investor. Ludnik
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  no I found it inexplicable and unsettling that he had
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  that it was released, that my company's signature page would
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  be in someone else's files. It's unsettling, Emmer. And when
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  a stock purchase agreement is executed and the individuals are signing,
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  they're typically not in the same room. Is that right,
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  Ludnik That is correct, mister Grant. And do you have
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  any idea of how mister Epstein would have come across
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  that page? Answer from Ludnik no I find it inexplicable
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  and unsettling, mister Emmer. At this time, I'd like to
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  introduce majority Exhibit three. And this is an email that
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  you are not a recipient of, dated May fourth, twenty thirteen,
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  from Jeffrey Epstein to David Mitchell discussing ad Finn and
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  a potential meeting between you and mister Epstein. Question, mister secretary,
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  do you know who David Mitchell is? Answer yes, Question
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  how do you know him? Answer? He was the husband
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  of one of my wife's friends. Question were you in
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  contact with them during this period of spring twenty thirteen?
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  Answer I may have been. Question when did you understand
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  his relationship to be with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer I don't
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  recall knowing that he had any relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Question and what we're specifically interested in here? One it
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  says one of the line says, I think I'm seeing
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  h Lutnik later cool restaurant in Williamsburg. Do you recall
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  meeting Epstein at a restaurant in Williamsburg in May of
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  twenty thirteen? Answer? I did not. I mean this seems
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  to think that David Mitchell was planning on seeing me,
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  not mister Epstein. But as I testified, the only times
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  that I recall ever seeing him are the ones that
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  we've gone through already, Mister Emmer. At this time, I'd
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  like to introduce majority Exhibit four. And this is an
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  email chain dated May twenty eighth, twenty eighteen, between Jeffrey
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  Epstein and a redacted email labeled HWL it's Big bat
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  smart EFTA one zero five zero seven seven two Lutnik.
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  Majority Exhibit number four was marked for identification. All right,
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  we're going to wrap up right here and in the
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  next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
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  up where we left off. All the information that goes
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