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Trick r Treat · You Killed Clyde - A Horror Podcast

• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hey everyone, welcome to You Killed Clyde.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host Frank, and today we're gonna be discussing what happens when your attacker just wants a little chocolate.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Folks, today we're talking about the 2007 horror anthology trick or treat.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: I am not alone here, however.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Today with me is my lovely co-host, Mr.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: How are you doing?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hey Frank.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm doing very well.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: I uh it's Saturday, it's cold out, but it's warm inside.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I have the day off.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's for me, I love fall, and this is like why I like fall already.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm doing quite well.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then of course I'm off the heels of watching this movie for like I don't know how many times I've seen this now, but uh it this movie yeah, it puts me in the spirit of Halloween.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm really good.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling very Halloween-y today.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I find in October, I don't know, okay, we talked about this in the summertime, how like the summertime can feel like kind of stressful.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think part of it is like this sense of FOMO for me anyway.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like in the fall, suddenly I become like Frank 2.0.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just I have to admit to myself that maybe I'm just in a better mood in fall than I am in summer, and that's like a hard pill to swallow.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I love like lighting candles, watching horror films.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's some really good shows out right now, and the cozy aspect of it and cooking, like having something simmering on the stove on like a Sunday, like all of that vibe.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: I just I lean so heavily into and I love it.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think this is probably probably one of my favorite months of the year.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really, really like October.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think especially like if you're a horror fan, you're like super into it.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I think that's that goes without saying we're a horror movie podcast here, so I'm gonna assume that uh some people listening are also super into horror films, and October is just it's so fun to watch horror movies in October.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: I also I wanted to just address something quickly, like some housekeeping.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we had taken a little break for I think about a month and a half, and for the audience, perhaps two months.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: The reason is at the end of summer, it just got really busy.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: I went to Greece, Andrew was moving like hard.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think life just got in the way, but we are back, and we are going to stick to our bi-weekly uh release schedule again.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I just wanted to address that that that kind of happened, but we're back, and we got this really fun movie, and it's for Halloween.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, what did you think of this movie?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of those movies that I feel I I think like I like it a lot.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, decide how I feel, but I I would anybody is I I like it a lot, and I think like it's a movie that like I think at face value if you look at like it scene by scene individually, it might just be like an okay kind of you know horror slash bit of slasher slash like a bit of you know a little bit of a creature feature, I guess.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um but ultimately it I think a lot of people will agree.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: This film gives me and will give I think gives people just it's whimsy, it really makes me feel like I'm I'm I'm in Halloween.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: This movie feels like the season of Halloween, it doesn't feel like you're watching a horror movie in the Halloween season.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: I find this film makes me feel like you're like you're experiencing Halloween.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I really like this film for that reason.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: You bring up a really good point.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a huge difference between like I'll give you an example.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I went on your Netflix when I was at your house, and I don't have Netflix, and I was on Netflix, and it was like, oh, like Halloween horror.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I go there and it's like idle hands, which I think takes place in like the summertime.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like just horror films.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I think there's a big difference between a horror movie and a Halloween horror movie, and this movie, like you said, this plants me so fucking hard in the season.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like the opening scene is on a street that reminds me of the film Halloween, which is littered with leaves that have fallen off trees.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: The weather is changing, it's damp, it's dark, there's jack-o'-lanterns, there's lots of light and celebration.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just thought just the opening scene alone, I was like thrust into Halloween, and I I love that feeling in October because, like I said, it's my favorite month, I think.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: I also don't know if I noticed this on like first watch, I think like 20 years ago or close to it.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it came out in 2009, so I watched it then, but there are a lot of little Halloween traditions and like transgressions against those traditions in this movie.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like they have like razor blade and candy blowing out the candle of the jack-o'-lantern.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens if you don't give out candy on Halloween?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there are all these really cool traditions that the movie constantly references and mentions and talks about throughout the film that I don't think I really noticed until like Emma's death at the beginning of the movie is more described at the end, and you get it.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, like that's why she was attacked.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there's a whole bunch of this stuff.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so this movie to me feels more Halloween than the movie Halloween, like this feels like it's embedded in the traditions of Halloween, which I thought was really cool.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like I think that's made more apparent here by the the films.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think of anything that came out of this film that like is still pretty popular in stores, at least in Halloween stores today, is Sam.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: And not only does Sam have an iconic and really cool design, I mean it's so cool.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, he is he is not a traditional antagonist in this film, he's more like a he embodies Halloween itself.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: The things you just I think the things you just said there, those traditions, and it's it's cool that this film not only reminds the audience that these there's these fun traditions, there's those like it even, yeah, like you said, even references those old like myths of um Urban Legends of Halloween, like check your candy, there could be razor blades in it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I think we heard it as kids, but I don't think there's actually no yeah, I don't think there's actually a reported case of that ever happening.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, but Sam is just there to make sure this stuff, this holiday, this uh season, this night goes off and people respect it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you remember, I think you were like four when we left uh the suburbs to move into the city.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: But that those Halloweens were really, really fun because the suburbs were just full of people giving out candy and kids, and it was almost like you were entering a nightclub, like it was just so busy.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: But the reason I bring that up is because someone had mentioned, like, oh, this woman's giving out candy apples.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like when I was a child, giving out like candy apples was a big thing, and then suddenly it was like this urban legend that like you'll find a razor blade in the candy apples, so then like people who would hand out candy apples suddenly got this like really bad rap with stigma, yeah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, it's just kind of like yeah, no, no, sorry, go on.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm done, but it's like it's true.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I actually I Googled this a long time ago when I like there, I don't think there's a single reported case of any of this happening.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think there might have been some case of a parent poisoning their own candy against their own child or something, or like a I mean that makes sense, yeah.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like a some kind of like psychotic psychotic caretaker, I don't know if it's a parent or babysitter or something, fed their you know, kid poison candy, but there's not there, I don't think there's a single instance reported of like poisoned candy being handed out en masse and people falling over, and or razor blades ended up in your candy apple.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and I remember there was like this massive like you had to check your candy really closely, and like they could have put a razor blade in then re-wrapped it.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, they didn't seal up the Mars bar packaging, yeah, that just didn't happen.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you gotta wonder, somewhere, somewhere, somehow, somebody first uttered these words to somebody else that caused this thing to take off, right?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think like that somebody about 23 times somebody, somebody, uh somebody somewhere out there, yeah.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it it begs the question like, why do these things take off or start?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: For example, there is a popular fact a lot of people love to say, like, oh, did you know that in one year you accidentally swallow anywhere from like four to six spiders or something, or five to seven spiders?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like bullshit.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And there's like there's nothing, there's no data to support that.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think the only closest data was like potentially on some kind of like grain or cereal that gets pulverized, you might end up eating like microscopic specks of like like these insects, maybe.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but like and get extra protein, like who cares?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like no one your mouth isn't open at night and spider crawls in and dies.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what happens.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I like this, but yeah, yeah.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, go ahead.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, just to kind of bring this full circle here before we continue.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I just like that this movie, like we have we have the character Wilkins who says, like, you know, check your candy.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I like this movie.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like this movie's vibe and the whimsy of the movie.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's almost like it borders on, and we'll talk to this later.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it borders on being comedic, but yet it's still like it's still like vastly horrifying and scary.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and even like even like the Sam, like I said, his design is really iconic, and like Sam himself has a very adorable design at face value, but yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: That he's maybe not so adorable.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: But even then, I'm like, yeah, it's like, and I also thought that was a really good use of practical effects.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the practical effects were awesome there.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what's funny?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: As an aside, I saw Resident Evil twice in the theaters recently.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Me too.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: And Sam kind of gives me like a little bit of that Resident Evil like vibe because of the stringiness and the re-animation.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the reason I bring that up is because there's a far cry between like the way this movie does it with practical effects versus like I found the CGI and Resident Evil was good, but it kind of just like I'm starting to like, I think with like the burge like the burgeoning use of AI and CGI, which we've used for like 30 years.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think that me in particular, and I don't know if other humans are craving this, but like I'm starting to want to see more practical effects, and I'm starting to want to see the creativity behind those.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes like Resident Evil, like, as much as I liked that movie, I think what kind of bothered me was a little bit of the CGI, like it wasn't heavy, but it just wasn't great, in my opinion.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I think it's tough with a movie like Resident Evil specifically, because you have scenes, like you have a lot of scenes that have great practical effects, but like to make some of the monstrosities uh happen, like they had to use CGI, like you know what I mean.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I like I'm we've had this conversation like like a dozen times, like in and out of the podcast, but like I'm I will often forgive CGI, like even if it's not that great.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I you are very like we've talked about this at at nauseum.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I think for me, if the film's using it, like I think Resident Evil is a really good example.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, like again, I don't want to talk about this movie because I one day I want to talk about this movie on this on here, but um it's like it was cool seeing like the acid vomitor.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was he was practical.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was cool, yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: They had like a lot of practical stuff.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: The dog stunts are really cool.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like they had they did it when they could, but they had you had to use it when they had to use it.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you I think that's is just the sign of like it always has been.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we'll never get CGI like in Pirates 2.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't think we're ever gonna go back to an era that we have uh what's his face, the who rides a flying Dutchman, whatever.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I never I never saw those.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I thank God for Bill Nye's uh performance alone.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: You need to watch the second.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you haven't you watched the first Pirates movie?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I watched the one where that guy has like the lower part of his face is a squid.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I'm talking about.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I did watch that one.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was very, very stoned and very drunk, but I do remember that movie.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: That was kind of liking it.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, they're the first movies, I think, is a 10 out of 10.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the the second one I think is great.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: The second and thermone get really dark, but anyways, the reason I the reason I brought that up is because the what this movie did for me was gave me really good practical effects vibes.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was they used practical effects and it made me feel a good vibe.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, okay.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready to get into the background?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: The reason I is I have a lot of background on this movie.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, you know what's funny?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've kind of like approached the background a little differently.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like in the first few podcasts, I think, like you said, this is a fledgling podcast.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're just learning.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think until we get to like episode 30, I'm just gonna consider us like still learning.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: But what I've done now is like I'm pulling these sources that contain, and I did this on Hellraiser, but I really did it for this one, which is like I'm pulling sources where it's primarily interviews with people that were on the set, got the movie made, the director.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like through the conversation, you just learn a lot about you know what happened on set and how this person came to be cast and all those types of things.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, all that to say that I'm doing this a little tiny bit differently, but I think it's a lot more rich.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm hoping that people enjoy this.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And Andrew, this is a time for you to kick back and just relax, okay?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: My sources, I have three.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I have How Trick-or-treat became an unlikely Halloween classic by Miles Raymer.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: I have writer-director Michael Doherty on his Halloween classic Trick or Treat by Greg Mackey, Mike Doherty on Trick-or-Treat's Enduring Legacy and Sam's Future by Eric Diaz.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna hop right in.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: I picked a quote that I think sums up why I love this movie so much, just to start.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, according to author Jim Vorle, Trick-or-treat is truly about Halloween, about its traditions, affectations, and stereotypes, both familiar and reimagined.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: It invokes traditions and superstitions that are likely familiar to any kid who grew up in suburban America in the last 40 years.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I kind of chose this quote specifically because it invokes, as we'll talk about throughout the film, like the traditions that surround our favorite holiday.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes people, specifically people like these days, may not understand how steeped in lore Halloween is.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this movie does a really good job of like popping in tidbits through character exposition around like the do's and don'ts of Halloween and its inception.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought that was really interesting.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think just to hop in here quick, I haven't been trick-or-treated in a lot like 20-something years, but I wonder if that same feeling is if kids these days are walking away from are able to have those kind of experiences these days.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I like I what I mean is like I think in the day the days of social media, and I know it's an often-sided thing, but it is true with phones and social media.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think sometimes people, even teenagers, right, especially can't enjoy the moment, yeah, and we're often looked at the screen.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas like I remember when I was a teenager walking the chilly night streets with my friends, uh, and those leaves, and like just that feeling, I guess.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that I wonder if people today can get that feeling still.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And this film I think captures a snapshot of that.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Can I ask you a question?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: How not to age you, but like how old were you when you got a cell phone?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 19.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you were quite old.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: So during your trick-or-treating years, that really didn't exist for you.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I had friends in high school who'd got cell phones like uh halfway through, probably like grade 10 or 11.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I when I went out, even then, the cell phones were like for emergency contact, they were it was standard texting, not smartphones, not unlimited minutes.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when we we hung out, I've I just there's no memory of mine as a teenager where like people whipped out a phone to use it as for fun.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: That was not a thing.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's interesting.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you bring up a really good thing that I think is like really romantic about Halloween, which is like, you know, when you kind of got a little bit older, like maybe you were 12, 13, and it was maybe around like eight o'clock, but like the streets started to quiet down, and there was that sense of like kind of leaves blowing, it was dark and a little scary, and your bag was full.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're right.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like those moments, those nostalgic, that feeling.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I hope kids still have that, and I hope that they're like, I always pray for this like revolt against the device.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even myself, like, I was watching like Crystal Lake uh yesterday.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: I started to watch it, and I was like kind of on my phone, and then I forced myself to put my phone into the kitchen and just focus on watching the film, but I do think I just wonder, like, I I I think this movie going back to the film, I think it really does invoke the spirit of Halloween.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I not to yeah, exactly.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to cut through your uh your background too much here, but I just you said that part about uh about you know capturing Halloween and like this, and I think that for me is uh what this film really does for me.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, 100%.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the film's creepiness stems from writer-director Michael Doherty's childhood.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, My birthday is a few days before the holiday, so it's always a really magical time of year for me.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: I've been reading about it ever since I was a little kid and had built up a pretty deep knowledge of the holiday and its traditions and its roots going back to Europe.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was always really fascinated with the notion that here was this holiday that's really centered around kids and candy.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: But if you peel back the layers just a little bit, you find out that it goes back to a very real ancient pagan mystical holiday.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: That is the other thing, is I find it really funny when stupid Christianity like can't quite wipe these things out.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like this one just stuck, even though it's like steeped in like magic and lore.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I have a well, I could probably like I go on a huge sermon here, not to on my my the Christianity co-opting uh pagan tradition that's existed forever.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um just a little tidbit here, Christmas, right?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's not really about yeah, that really wasn't at the time about Jesus' birthday, that's when they celebrated the winter solstice.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And any religious scholars usually put Jesus' birthday somewhere around March.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's stuff like that where um they in order Christianity, like anything, started as a little tiny cult.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and in order to get people on board, they couldn't just say all the old ways are done.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh yeah, like you know, Christmas, we celebrate our savior, but it's kind of like the winter solstice, we're kind of celebrating that too.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Easter, right?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Easter.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're celebrating the the coming of spring.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, it's also about the resurrection, too.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like they just they co opted these holidays, and I always find it funny too, and really, really sad.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I we've talked about this briefly before.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I can't stand adults sucking the fun out of things over because of some kind of satanic panic that makes them feel insecure inside.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's There's nothing in the Bible that condemns Halloween.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yet people will decide to make certain things that are demonic so my kids can't partake.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Halloween is like Harry Potter, it's it's all these things, it's like uh Dungeons and Dragons, you know.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: I play that like to be honest with you though, like Halloween is demonic, it's okay, it's not demonic.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's not but there's a difference, there's a difference between listen, there's a stark difference between the veil between life and death and of the undead and and stuff versus like demonism.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, people will dress up as everything, but I a Halloween itself is not anything about demons, it's about like there's some traditions where it's like you know, it's about you know, you put on these costumes so that way that way the dead or uh don't know that you're human, or whatever.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the old, old yeah, that's the big yeah thing about it, right?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I just want to dispel that.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, people know that already, it's 2026, but so trick or treat is a 2007 horror anthology film written directed by Michael Doherty.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: In his directorial debut, Doherty, I didn't know this, had previously written on a couple of Brian Singer's films, X2 and Spider-Man.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: And this led to Brian Singer producing Trick or Treat.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Doherty mentions that Singer likes to have his writers around all the time, saying, I got to sit in on budget meetings and casting meetings and visual effects meetings and sit in the editing room and get feedback.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was really collaborative, so it wasn't as daunting to step into the director's chair after that.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: According to Doherty, it took five to six years before they finally got the movie off the ground.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And in those five or six years, there were dozens of different drafts of the script.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: The film's script was completely derived from short stories he'd written when he was in college, all centered around Halloween.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he'd reuse his famous character Sam from his animated short.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I want to take a quick dive into Sam uh for a moment here, because there's something I wanted to talk to you about.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Doherty says the film's irreverent appeal is embodied in Sam, the film's mascot, named after the ancient Proto-Halloween festival Sam Hain, who was originally conceived for an animation project when Doherty was in school.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: He says, My hope with greeting Sam was that he'd appeal to that inner child that I think we all have.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's that perfect balance of cute and creepy and scary and funny.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: You look at him and you can't tell if you should be running away or hugging him.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I agree, Sam is freaking, as you said, adorable.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he he does.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: He does they this movie does a really good job of making him at times seem like this nice, benevolent, harmless figure to an absolute, like adorable psychopath.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: But he's still adorable.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, don't these people, these people deserve to die.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's yeah, a lot of these people deserve to die.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like his entire point is if you transgress against Halloween, I will kill you.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually, I think everyone Like that's his motivation.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's everyone's adorable.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone that died in this film deserves to die.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think so.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would argue maybe Emma doesn't deserve to die.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: She deserves to die.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: She did blow out that fucking candle, bitch.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: She also wanted to take this the decorations on the night of who does go to bed.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, we're gonna get right into that.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Doherty's original short was created in 1996, just three minutes long, and entitled Seasons Greetings.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: People have asked about Sam's backstory, and I love his response because we've talked a lot about Showdown't Tell on this podcast because he says it's better for the character to be shrouded in mystery, and he calls attention specifically to Halloween part four to six, the Thorn trilogy, as giving Michael too much zany background and really just not wanting to do the same thing with Sam.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: He wants Sam to be shrouded in mystery.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't need to know more than what we know in order to have a lot of fun with this character.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I know from our past podcast that you are an enormous proponent of like show, don't tell.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I this is I've said this like a bunch of times.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's fun, it's more fun to imagine what you think this character's backstory is or whatever, than to be shown some complicated backstory.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I brought this up for the the Joker with the Dark Knight.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the other day, actually, to kind of put a funny, a very good example, a topical example.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Someone like a friend of a friend asked, like, what's the like what's Michael Myers?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the point?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's his backstory?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's the thing.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is why I don't like when movies have gone into any semblance of a bad, he's just evil.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he's a yeah, bad dude who woke up when he's six years old, woke up one day and said, I'm gonna kill my sister.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like he's just been bad.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and Loomis puts a Dr.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Loomis says it aptly.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: He, the guy's a psychologist, and he, upon learning about Michael's, like, this isn't this guy doesn't need therapy, he needs bullets in him.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he just like so.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think my point is that yeah, I love a character that exists, and through his actions and look, you already know some of his lore, and that's all you need.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to, oh, he grew up and he threw some dark ritual.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, I don't care, I don't need to know.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to know that either, and I think that's why I loved his response so much.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he says in the original draft, the stories were completely self-contained.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: So the original, original draft, I don't even think there were that many overlapping, intertwining moments.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Initially, the first producer who optioned the script and said he wanted to make it was Stan Winston, who later kind of became a mentor to Doherty.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: He said it reminded him of Creepshow, and he wanted to gather other horror.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to this.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted to gather other horror filmmakers and make a proper anthology similar to Creepshow.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: He told Doherty he might want to meet with John Carpenter to convince him to do it.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, according to Doherty, he had to go to the Egyptian theater where John Carpenter was doing a screening of the thing and sell him on the script, and John Carpenter agreed to do it.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yes, isn't that crazy?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know that that's cool.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: The problem Doherty encountered was even with a legend like John Carpenter, no one wanted to buy the script.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's important to note here that, like, even with John Carpenter signed on to the script to do an anthology, this script got turned down so many times, and in some cases multiple times by the same studio.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta wonder, like, who you get John Carpenter signed on, and like, I wonder what the climate was on this company at the time to say, like, this won't sell.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, like I the people who viewed the script didn't think an anthology horror was sellable at this time in the zeitgeist, like you said.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: So they were like, I'm just not interested.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not sure what John Carpenter was working on in the mid-early aughts, and I'm not sure that's what the studios thought would be appetizing to audiences.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll get way more into this into the when we talk about the release of this film.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably another Saw movie.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably why.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like there were major biases toward a film like this.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the script was, however, ultimately bought in greenlit by Legendary Pictures with a modest production budget of$12 million.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: As part of the acquisition, Doherty was officially set to make his feature directorial debut, Legendary, paired with Warner Brothers Pictures to produce and handle distribution.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: So he was finally able to get this movie made.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I want to go back to the film's structure for a moment because initially, as said by Doherty, this was supposed to be a proper anthology.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: One story ends, one story begins.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Doherty says there was a lot of debate back and forth at the studio on whether to keep the stories linear or intercut them.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I was completely uncertain.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I actually wanted to keep the linear structure, but tried the intercutting method in the editing room and it worked really, really well.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: When you think of all the intercutting between the stories, Doherty says he had a chart and a timeline and knew exactly where everyone was at a certain point.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: It does work all together, he says.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I personally love the intercutting and I love the time differentials in this film.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just think it creates a little bit more interest when you're watching it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So the idea to cast Anna Packwin and Brian Cox from X-Men 2 only came up as Legendary bought the script, and it became more of like a financially real possibility because obviously it's nice to be able to cast your friends into things as long as they're right for the role.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: According to Doherty, it just became a no-brainer.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: It really is who you know.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And recently watching Carrie, I've noticed like obviously Mike Flanagan just obviously uses the same actors over and over again.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I like the fact that there's like a little nod to X2, because I forgot that Brian Cox was even in this movie.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I saw him at the end, I was like excited.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh my god, I completely forgot.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because to me, that guy is like a powerhouse actor.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's exact that's that's how I felt about him being in this movie too.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's such a random appearance from like what I consider like such a high brow actor that I it's almost like that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like how did he end up in this film?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Then I thought about it.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he was striker in X2, so he obviously does like doing some of that fun stuff like this.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: But isn't it weird that like Brian Cox and Anna Packin agreed to do this film after X-Men 2?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wonder for Anna Packwin, she hadn't really like she was obviously she was a don't actress, and she I'm not saying she wasn't, but like she really exploded even more in popularity in pop culture after True Blood in 2008.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm wondering maybe if this movie was happened, if this movie was filmed or tried to film after True Blood, I wonder if she still would have done it.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, to be honest, part of the reason this movie was even released is because of that, the success of True Blood.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's interesting.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're uh speaking of that, like I'll go into the release here.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I have a lot on the release because I just find this incredibly fascinating.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, keep going.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um listen to this.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: So Warner Brothers spent a year contemplating releasing the film in theaters, but in the end, Doherty says, I just don't think they got the combination of horror and comedy.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: I remember we did a test screening and there was a marketing exec from Warner Brothers, and they said, Well, half your audience was laughing.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Yeah, that's great.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's a horror movie.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think they got a little cold feet in buyer's remorse for various reasons.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: The big one being the number of kids that we kill in the film.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Warner Brothers was not happy about that.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: So ultimately, Warner Brothers didn't know how to market such a film.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it lacked at the time what Warner Brothers considered to be a lack of star power for a box office film.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: So even though they had Anna Packwin and Brian Cox, just like you just said, even though they were in X2, it wasn't like Brad Pitt and Angelina.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just wasn't enough for them to consider even marking.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's wild.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Doherty says at Legendary Pictures, which was one of the co-financiers, they were really, really behind the movie and they supported it from day one and throughout.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it was Warner Brothers that really was like, we cannot agree to put this in theaters.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: So Legendary asked for permission to take the film out in the festival circuit and start marketing it, albeit in a more unconventional way.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: So Doherty accompanied the film to some niche film festivals.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: The first being with Ain't It Cool News founder Harry Knoll's annual Butt Numathon in Austin, which is a 24-hour film festival.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it was there he met Trick or Treat's very first fan base.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know this, but this festival, you literally sit in a locked theater for 24 hours, and the founder doesn't tell you what you're about to see, and you're just kind of like stuck there.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be fun if I was like 19.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I I I would need a nap.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is what Doherty says.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I'll he says, I'll never forget emerging from this dark theater that I've been sitting in for 24 hours into the bright morning sunlight, and just all of a sudden being introduced to its first fans.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: From there, things started to turn.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, there were internet reviews popping up every single day.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: The part that I didn't include in that quote was he said people were like waking up in the morning and leaving the theater.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I do think people were just like, yeah, 24 hours is a lot.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, that's insane.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then, like, wouldn't there just be like a shit ton of people like snoring and farting and like wouldn't it just be like a fucking mess?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: I remember like I remember, you know, I said when I was 19, I've always been a sleepy guy, but uh in in high school, in high school, I forget what the event was called.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was something to do with a fundraiser, but there was an event where they locked you in the gymnasium basically and the bathroom overnight, like with chaperones, obviously.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, and I did that for some reason.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Did you say with Chapel Rhone?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: With Chapel Rones, yeah.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, chaperones.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Chapel Rones, yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think she would have been a child.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think she would have, I don't even know if maybe she'd just been born.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think she's not yet, but uh you were all babysitting Chapel Rone, is all I heard.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, but like the point is, like, even when I was a high schooler, I had trouble staying up all night.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: I had to sleep for like an hour, I think.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't imagine.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: I would for sure be stored in the theater.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: People probably probably shoot me, dude.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: You oh my god.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh for anyone listening, I'm kidding.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on a week, I'm over a week now of like CPAP success.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's changed my life.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm so happy.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Thank God.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Doherty mentions coming around to the idea that having a film gain a cult following could be more powerful than a theatrical release, where a couple of weeks later, fans just simply forget about that film.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: He even mentions John Carpenter's success with Halloween.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's how the original Halloween found its success.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Carpenter and his producer threw a print in the back of a car and were driving it around.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: As Trick or Treat started to tour more festivals and become more wildly popular, Doherty says he felt vindicated.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I felt like a proud parent who's finally watching his kid go out in the world and make something of himself.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that kid would be Sam.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: He also mentioned something I find very important.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this actually really struck me.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: He says, and this is again back in like 2008.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Hollywood these days is all about opening weekend.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Opening weekend, opening weekend.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so they fall short of trying to create films that people actually want to watch like 10, 15, 20 years from now.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I just agreed with that and wanted to end on that because I find like the reason this movie and Halloween are so successful is because they are really good films.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of these like box office stunners or movies that even go to the box office and maybe don't fare well, are really highly forgettable.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is about good filmmaking and people sticking with it and making it a success.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's fucking rad.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I won't say too much more about this.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think I wholeheartedly agree.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a really good example in recent memory, I know we just talked about it a little while ago, but uh I think that's why people really resonated with obsession.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Is you had an opening weekend which was weaker by a large margin than its subsequent weekends because it caught on.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: People went to see it in the word of mouth and social media.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: People were like, this is an actually good film, and it had hype obviously going into it, but and it got people to go see that movie because it's just good.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Also, too, like I think the reason obsession, you know, I don't know why, I'm just not a huge fan of that movie, and I can't tell you why.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, anyway, I think with like social media and cell phones, like we were talking about, like in the 2007-2008, like you know, film festival scene, like not a lot of people had cell phones, right?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not a lot of people had the types of cell phones that we do now and can share information to the extent that they do.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I can see why obsession just kind of blew up, but this was very like grassroots.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was like people had to go to a theater that wasn't even like it wasn't like I could go to like Cineplex.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was like you had to know there was a festival, go to the festival, watch this film.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: So the audience was tiny but super powerful.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I just love how it's like even now, like we're talking about it, and it's still holding up as like such an amazing film.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's wild, this movie that like it it just went, it initially just went like you had your film circuit, I know that, but like it didn't even go to theaters, it just released straight to DVD in 2009 in October.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, it was released on home media in 2009.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, right?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, okay, well, I guess we can do this.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's just crazy that a movie cox, uh, and I guess Anna Packin, who wasn't as big of a star, but still went straight to DVD.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Who the fuck was in charge of Warner Bros at the time, man?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Andrew, you're usually wrong on this, but how do you think Trick or Treat was received?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, very well.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is a I think it probably received uh initially a pretty high critics reception.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna guess like a B.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I think audiences are probably gonna be even higher than that, probably like sitting around B plus A.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: So on Rotten Tomatoes, it did receive a score of seven and a half out of ten.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: The website's consensus reads a deftly crafted tribute to Halloween legends, trick-or-treat hits all the genre marks with gusto and old fashioned suspense.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bloody disgusting, ranked the film ninth, and their list of the top 20 horror films of the decade, calling it so good that its lack of a theatrical release borders on criminal.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I agree, I would give this film maybe like a nine out of 10.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think this film to me is like near perfect.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: There isn't one single beat that's missed.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was never bored, and it's short.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, at an hour and 22 minutes, it's like this the pacing's awesome, and it's just such a it's so good from start to finish.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I would give this a a nine out of ten as well.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: I have to say, like, as a person who's writing the script uh from scratch, I I do enjoy a shorter film, like but uh okay.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready to get into the Sam Hain of it all?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's go.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, first we gotta give our spoiler alert.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: So even though it's like almost 20 years ago.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Andrew and I are gonna break down this film scene by scene, and in the scene by scene, we're gonna spoil some things because this podcast is not a short form podcast.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: But if you haven't seen it, yeah, sorry.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say that.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: I will I would I yeah, if you haven't seen this film, I know maybe some people just listen and they'll say, Oh, you know, I'll hear the film through the podcast or a YouTube video or whatever.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Please, it's Halloween, it's it's October.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh watch this movie cozy up, get a a a hot tea or a drink or whatever, and watch this movie.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: You will not you will not think you waste your time.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Put your phone down and watch me.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good if you haven't seen it.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what you need to do?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna set the scene.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wait till it's dark.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, have a cozy space to watch.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Could be anywhere.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: You need low lights.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Put on a couple candles.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like Andrew said, get like a really nice like a coffee, hot cocoa, get a fucking whiskey, and just sink in and watch this film.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And like Andrew said, put your phone into the fireplace and burn it.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you said?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pretty much.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's get into this.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: We have a lot to cover.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: We open with some vintage footage of some Halloween do's and don'ts before cutting to a jack-o'-lantern.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: We enter, as aforementioned, a very decorated street on Hallows Eve.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I wrote, I'm already loving how much like Halloween this film feels right out the gate.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like you mentioned, it is just like a cozy Halloween hug.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: We cut to two adults, Emma and Henry, played by Leslie Bibb and Tammo Penniket returning home from a party.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: And we see this from the vantage point of a small person.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Emma seems really eager to take the Halloween decor down right this minute, despite it still being Halloween.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: And when Henry protests, she just says, I'll do it.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: It appears she hates Halloween.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: And this may factor into why she gets brutally murdered later on.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll uh I'll just say here uh you mentioned the actor Tammo Penniket.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Earlier you mentioned uh Mike Flanagan, and if uh around this time of year, the movie of the show Carrie just came out, and Tammo there plays Carrie's dad.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of a cool little kind of a cool the fact that I just watched Carrie then went into this film, like oh uh that guy's so familiar, and then yeah, he's he plays Carrie's dad in uh Mike Flanagan's Carrie.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing, and I did not make that connection having just watched Carrie.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: I find this interesting.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: So inside, first of all, Henry just seems okay with his wife being out, just kind of like taking down the Halloween decorations.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is full stop.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: I find this like psychotic in terms of like Emma's drive to take down the Halloween decorations right when you come home from a night out.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I just think like that's insanity.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think everyone would at least wait till the next morning, like get up and like relax for a second.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she wants to take stuff down the night they get home while it's still Halloween evening, or even if it's early in the morning.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I find and then she's she mentions like oh my mom will have an aneurysm.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I I yeah, she says, like, you know, my mom will have an aneurysm, she's coming over tomorrow.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: She'll have an aneurysm.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I think she tries to like justify taking these decorations down.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I just I'm with the husband here.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, come on, man, like really so across the street, she sees a figure with a white mask on staring at her.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: And despite this being ominous as fuck, she continues taking down the directions.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: She continues taking sorry, she continues taking down the decorations.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: But no worries, Andrew.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is just a man dressed up in a costume meeting some pals for a night out.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: As Emma turns around, she is brutally attacked by an unseen figure and screams for Henry.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: But what was labeled nature scenery is actually a porno, and this has all of Henry's undivided attention.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I find this wholly unbelievable that you would come home from a party, and your first instinct while your wife is taking down the Halloween decorations would be to go pop in a BHS porno.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, in defense here, I think maybe you missed a lot of here.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not I'm not defense of the porn itself, but so there's a quick scene here that we I think I think if if you're I know you're doing the script here, so maybe you miss this really quick, but he when they're arguing, she bends over in a box or something to like put some stuff away, and you get a quick scene from his point of view of him staring at her ass.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, What?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like they kind of a back and forth, and she's like, that's when she says, I have to these decorations down, and then he kind of like just stares off in the distance.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't sulk or say complain, he just kind of stares off, and she's like, She's like, you know what?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Go put the tape on, I'll be up in a minute, or something like that.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so I think it's one of their rituals is they put a porn on and fuck to that.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: So but like I think it's really bizarre, it's gonna take her a lot longer than three minutes to take down.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: I not to like like tear into this scene, but like you don't like Halloween, yet you decorated like someone who's obsessed with Halloween, then you say I'll be up in a second, which would take you longer than a second to take all that shit down.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like how long's how how long's the porno?
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like this.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, pornos are like, you know, well, I only last maybe two, three minutes, but like some of them are much longer.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: So the figure continues to slice Emma's neck open with what appears to be a pumpkin lollipop cut in half and drags her body away.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Leslie Bibb is toast.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Andrew, I was thinking about this, and so I looked up like Leslie Bibb's filmography, and she was in some films prior to this and during this time, but I don't think this is like a Drew Barrymore screen situation.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think she was actually cast in this role as an actor to play this.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like, oh, we're casting Leslie Bibb and we're gonna kill her off right away.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like I think too, also you if you watch this movie and you don't know its background, you might think, oh wow, that's a quick little bit part, but she does appear throughout the movie as well.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, it's it's it's it could only twice, but no, I understand.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you're right.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: For for I guess for modern day or even mid-2010s, Leslie Bibb, this would probably be a very like a bit part beneath her, but yeah.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be like, oh, Anna Packwin and Brian Cox are in this film.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna be like a big fucking deal.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: And she hadn't had any breakout starring roles prior to this, according to the filmography.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: But I but I did think about that.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I was like, oh, like they really just like did Leslie Bibb, like like they did a Drew Barrymore because she's so famous, but yeah, within the context of the film, like maybe not.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Henry awakes from a postcoital snooze and he heads into the yard.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: He pulls the sheet off a ghost figure, revealing the body of Emma with said pumpkin lollibop jammed in her mouth.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this cold open comes to a frightening close.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is a really cool scene because it jumps into the animation, and you see you actually get like uh a drawn picture of her face the lollipop, and it's pretty cool.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you wonder, Andrew, who bested Leslie Bibb?
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll find out.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: We will find out, but yeah, the I just want to I just want to draw attention, I kind of said it, but I love the opening credits here.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think the uh the little slide slideshow slash like you know, the what do you got, montage of like animation and cool artwork and stuff.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: I I really like the opening credits.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've done some movies before, and I think you're maybe more of an expert than I am on this, but around this time, it seemed like this it was an art form to open a film with a mini montage, some art, some animation, and we really don't do that anymore.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, we don't.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny because like it's this is completely unrelated to like there's no crossover whatsoever, but like even the collector, right?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like we we reviewed that film that I knew you were gonna bring that up.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it has a really cool, like 2000s-esque opening montage credits.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's so I really love I love a cult open into credits.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I just love it, I think it's great.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: I usually fast forward through those, not for the podcast, but I mean in general, but I think I'm going to actually sit, soak them in because people spend time on it and it is it is artistic.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the real thing now, all you get is like you just get a like a blatant title, like boom, and then it's gone.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's kind of the thing now, you know.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I actually thought about this that you just brought that up.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's so funny.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as you said that, I was actually thinking Resident Evil.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because Resident Evil has like basically a 10-50 minute opener, and then you get the he's running across the uh snowy farm, and you get the big Resident Evil and uh the uh with the music and stuff.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I find Austin Abrams very sexy.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's gonna know, thank you.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I love when I uh in uh forget it.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we cut to a title card that says earlier.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're already playing with the timeline.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we see the streets bustling with people in costumes celebrating the greatest night of the year.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want to call attention to something.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: There is a newscast that opens this scene.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: The newscaster says it is 8 p.m.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: I just want you to keep that in mind, like as we kind of go through some of the timeline of what is about to happen.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like this movie takes place very late in the evening.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and I don't know why I find that maybe more scary or fascinating, but it just gives you an idea.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you think of the kids and you think of like Mr.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg and you think of the evening, just think just know that it's like post that time.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it appears Lori, played by Anna Packwin, hasn't found her costume yet.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: As we're introduced to a group of women trying on various items as they come out on the count of three, we discover they're all dressed like Disney princesses, except Lori, who is dressed like Little Red Riding Hood.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I ask Andrew, is this Chekhov's Little Red Riding Hood?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this this whole scene is fun for a variety of reasons.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because of course, if you this is your first watch, then maybe you don't understand what's happening.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: But first, I want to say that there we have a peeping Tom.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: So the there's a little kid who goes into the store after I think he's dragging a Halloween sack through the through the town.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: He goes into a store, and he looks through at the through the cracks at the girls changing.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: That actor is Quinn Lord, who plays Sam.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: You actually get to see Sam's actor looks like without any suit on.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, also not only does they come out in the red riding hood, but if you listen to the girls' conversation, it's pretty interesting how they talk.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: And when you know what you know by the end of the film, you realize what they're saying.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying how the girls mention having Mexican, right?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're talking about guys you think they're talking about guys they might have hooked up with, and the one girl's like, Oh yeah, I remember having Mexican.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't it say like a Mexican guy?
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: She says Mexican, and then they ended up with sailors once, and one was a girl, but then someone said it doesn't really matter, they all taste the same.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you don't you don't know what's happening, but you assume this is all about like they're talking their sexual conquest here.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: And before, before in a Pacquin as Lori, Lori's probably a good reference to Halloween, I'm guessing.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I think so too, yeah.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Denise, uh sorry, Danielle.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Danielle, uh, who's her sister, threatens to huff and puff if she doesn't come out of the change room.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: And this makes it funnier, of course.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one, they're werewolves, and two, uh, Lori then emerges as Red Riding Hood, which is, I think, just really, really like so good.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's so subversive.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: And like you would never, you would never know, and we'll obviously talk about this until like the ninth inning, what this really is.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll get into what Lori's sort of mandate for the evening is.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we learned that the women are just in town for one night and they're holding a little party in Sheep's Meadow.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're also looking for dates.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, full disclosure here, Andrew, like we cut around a little bit as we aforementioned, like the intercutting.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I'm going to do is I'm essentially gonna isolate the vignettes if they do smaller jumps.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, we're kind of gonna talk about one and then move to the other one.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are thinking or listening to this and you're like, hey, like this, just know like I'm kind of moving things around a little bit.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: So just go with it.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because otherwise, it would just be a racket of a mess.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we followed the group of women and we learn that Lori hasn't quote done it yet, that she wants her first time to be special.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I like you, as we just said, am assuming they're talking about losing her virginity, right?
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is her big night.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: The women seem to be on the hunt for men, inviting a couple of locals to the party at Sheep's Meadow.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: All this seems quite normal and harmless.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: Would you agree?
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the only thing I I guess you kind of take stock of is that they seem like I it's ad I would say in terms of films, to have four women so adamant about finding four guys to hook up with is I think is it's interesting.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I I got I don't know what my my words here I'm trying to say are, but like normally, like normally you get guys talking to each other about how they want to bang a bunch of chicks that night.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's very interesting that this is from the point of view of four women who are talking very similar.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm trying to say.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: I actually agree, I actually I never thought about that.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I guess the one thing I didn't think of or consider is like, you're right, like this is from the perspective of women, and from what I gather, like this is not how this is usually talked about.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Lori has a mandate for the evening to lose her virginity, we think.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that is odd.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that like when you're watching this film, I think most that probably wouldn't that probably would have just flew over the head of most people.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, but not my Andrew.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're gonna transition over to Steven.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna spend quite a while with Steven here.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: And Andrew, there is something just putting this a thought in your head for later, is like there Steven has a proclivity for murder, yeah.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to talk about specifically how that manifests later on during the werewolf scene.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut to a young man just demolishing beautifully carved jack-o'-lanterns as he walks down the street without a costume on and holding a dirty bag of candy.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: This kid I wrote just looks like a little shit.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he reminds me of so many tropes of like that little, like chubby, bullying.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's wearing a stupid shirt.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's a kid without a costume.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: He probably feels he doesn't need to wear one, and he's a stupid orange shirt that says, This is my costume on it.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, screw you, dude.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: So as he takes some candy from a neighboring house, an adult male, Steven, played by Dylan Baker, appears and says, That can't be good for your diabetes, Charlie.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: It appears at Steven's house and he's familiar with Charlie.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: So listen to this.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: According to Doherty, he wrote the script with Dylan in mind.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: He had seen him in Happiness.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've seen the movie Happiness, Andrew.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: It is so fucked up and disturbing.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not scared.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and Doherty says that he'd seen him in that and a lot of different things.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: He says in real life, he's one of the most charming, friendliest men, and yet he tends to take on these roles where he gets to use that kind of charm to creep you out.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: So he was definitely like typecast like into this role.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, happiness is uh disgusting.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: And also, he this guy, I think, is cast in those roles that are like creepy charm.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I haven't watched the whole show, but I don't know if you've seen the intro to the Hunters show on Prime, which is like about finding Nazis and killing them.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, so there's a modern-day show that has, I think it's Al Pacino in it.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's called Hunters or something.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, there's a really good scene that he's in.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: He plays this American.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I did.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's very stylized, right?
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he's barbecuing recent, yeah.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's barbecuing, and then this girl recognizes him, he slips right back into being this evil batter.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I just if you want to see Dylan Baker in a more like I guess a more modern show, he's also plays that same kind of role.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's he's fantastic.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: He does play, like I said, in happiness plays a disgusting character, but he plays it well.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, Steven and an uncomfortable Charlie take a seat on the porch.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: And Steven begins carving a pumpkin with a very sharp kitchen knife.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote this in my notes.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, is this a butcher knife?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, so what is the difference?
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because when we talked about other films, you're quick to call this a kitchen knife, and I never understood why.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think the kitchen knife, when people picture the kitchen knife, it's the Michael Myers-style kitchen knife.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's the it isn't that a butcher knife?
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, but a butcher's knife has the very wide uh blade with weight behind it because when you're butchering meat, you have to slam the knife down to get through uh dense material.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: So all the times I'm cutting veggies, I'm using a kitchen knife.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like a butcher's knife specifically for slicing meat.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's the big, it's the big, wide, like tall bladed, like has that all that weight on the top.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a very if I type it in right now, you'll get I don't know if I believe you, but I I trust you.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: Butcher knife.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: Why did that not come up so fast?
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's a specialized blade designed primarily for breaking down, trimming, and portion large cuts of raw meat, and you'll see it's the wide-brimmed, the wide-bladed um knife with usually a hole.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: It usually will have a hole for whatever reason at the top right the top of it.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the audience is gonna like go to bed during this, but I think this is interesting.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: But but I think it's interesting because because I really just don't like I've always thought, and I think in the zeitgeist, people think Michael Myers is holding a butcher knife, but he's not.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: No one thinks he's holding a butcher knife, everyone calls it a kitchen knife.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Calling it a butcher knife.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Watch this, okay?
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: You cut this, I don't care.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: What here, watch this.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll type it in Google right away.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: What is Michael?
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: I said when I was growing up.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: Michael's signature weapon is a chef's knife, also referred to as a kitchen knife.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, bullshit.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: It also says or a butcher knife, but I'm I don't know what that is.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking new it! Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Stephen recounts to Charlie the traditions of Halloween were originally meant to protect us.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: And as he says this, Charlie begins to choke, and we suddenly realize something nefarious is at foot.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: Steven tells a choking Charlie he should always check his candy as Charlie begins barfing uncontrollably, healing over and finally dying.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: What does Steven do?
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: Decides to munch out a delicious sucker before hoisting the boy's body inside the house.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_00: I Andrew, this is another thing where you're going to have to clarify a few things because when we get to the grave, I have some questions.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: So before we get there, I do too.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: I okay, like I but I thought you would know the answer to these questions.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: But we'll talk about this and I I almost I will debate.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: I almost there's might be a continuity error, I'm not sure.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say this this Charlie's uh stomach sounds and is Barfing is so disgusting.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: It is so gross to me.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then he slops some on real.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: This it gave me it genuinely grossed me out here.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like in terms of like I was like eating, I had to put the food down for something.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, this is so gross sounding.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, fun fact, I cannot I can't eat anything but chips during a horror film or popcorn, I guess, even though I finish the bag before the movie starts.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's more like I just can't eat anything substantial because I just get fucking grossed out.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: Specifically if I'm watching Friday the 13th films, I don't know why I'm unable to eat.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's very weird.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess it's kind of normal.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: Especially like liquidy or slime foods, just like, oh god.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, I couldn't eat while Charlie was barfing up chocolate slash blood.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, duh, like Andrew.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: What are we talking about here?
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: Stephen tends to the body.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: A few children outside, again, a little intercutting, are greedily banging at the door.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: And as we know, these little monsters become incredibly important later on.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: We learn from these kids that Stephen is actually Principal Wilkins and known to the community.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps why he's so familiar with dead Charlie.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're looking for a jack-o'-lantern, which I kind of found fucking super weird.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then we realize why later.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: But as they depart, there is one cutie left behind, a small person in a dirtied pumpkin costume, we assume is with the group of children.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: This, as we come to learn, is Sam.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he is sprinkled throughout the film like the Crypt Keeper, albeit in a much loftier role.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, we can see here too, his he's got the like the jumpsuit, the burlap sack.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's adorable.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he's actually got like, he's got he's got like human hands.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: The reason why I bring that up is that for later on, like you it just in case there's any like at this point in the film, you just assume it might be some kind of like just a kid in a costume, it might be a little weird.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: I okay, I will maybe cut this out, but have you watched Crystal Lake yet?
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I really want to see it.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because speaking of like little cuties, like they introduced Jason as just this like adorable cute kid, and I literally almost started crying twice in the first episode.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I almost like I couldn't handle it.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_02: Is the show good?
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_00: I would give it like a seven and a half, but I again I've only watched one episode in a bit.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I would say I would say watch it, but this character also was evocative of just innocence, yeah, even though he's like a murderous uh creature.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_00: But um Steven drags what I was assuming was Charlie's corpse into the backyard where there's a prepared grave.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: And just as about just as he's about to roll the body in, a small boy calls from the window above, telling his dad, Charlie's an asshole.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when I first watched this, I did think this was strange.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, on second watch, I'm like, why would the child in the window remark that Charlie's an asshole?
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're assuming he would have no idea what the father is doing on the front porch or outside, correct?
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Frank, he's not talking about um the most annoying kid ever is not talking about uh Charlie that's that is also the Charlie that Wilkins dealt with.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: Wilkins says, because uh Billy, his son, says, Daddy, I've come, I'm back early from trick-or-treating, and he's so fucking annoying.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, Go inside and watch Charlie Brown, I'll bean in a minute.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: And Billy says, Charlie's an asshole.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just a coincidence, yeah.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: That there's a show Charlie Brown, and then the kid that he kills is also Charlie.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: So Steven continues the burial procedure, covering up the body right before the next door neighbor's door opens wide, and the corpse gives out a yelp.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_00: It appears this body isn't dead.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_00: The neighbor, who appears not to know who Steven is at all, despite living next door, says to Steven, it stinks like a dead whore out here, before retreating to his house with a screw you.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have a question for you.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: If the body gave a Yelp, I assume the body was Charlie.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: But we learn it's not Charlie because it couldn't be.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is where I don't think I don't I think this is like maybe a continuity, like maybe it's a continuity thing.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because here's here this scene's interesting because there's all the tarp, he has a he already has a grave dug with a tarp over it.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: He removes the tarp.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's an old body in there already.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we now know that Wilkins, this is not the first time.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: He rolls the body he has next to him into the grave.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're all assuming, I think correctly, that this is Charlie, the kid.
• 1:11:49
  unknown: Right?
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's a recent victim.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it makes the most sense that he's the one that wakes up after being poisoned.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I think this is Charlie.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you're right, because we're about to get a scene where Charlie's head is now in a different location, but uh I can't really reason that it's a separate victim that like is in the grave all of a sudden.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can't I can't either.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing I was thinking is this, and maybe I'll go back and watch this.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_00: A hand protrudes from whatever he has it wrapped in and grabs Steven.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: And the shirt of the person who grabs Steven has a striped it's striped and it's wrong sleeve.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: So then I thought, like, at the very end, there are kids that trick-or-treat at Mr.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's house.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: But then that timeline doesn't work, and it's not one of the younger kids.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I was trying to piece together like who this might be.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I think what this is gonna be, I think what this is gonna be is me having to go back and try and clock whoever is wearing that long-sleeve striped shirt.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: It could be nobody, yeah, but we know it's not one of the women either.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, so yeah, I just I just found that weird that like it so regardless of whether it's a continuity thing, I think this was a weird choice.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it just in terms of the top like the chronology of events contained within this very sick series of scenes here, is that Steven like he just dealt with Charlie, so we're assuming this is Charlie as well.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I thought this next piece was almost slightly heartbreaking.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know that you call Billy annoying, but Steven's son, Billy, calls from his room above again, asking his dad if they can go to the parade later, asking if they can carve a jack-o'-lantern.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I thought this was kind of heartbreaking.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what is so weird with me lately?
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is, but anything surrounding like this kid to me, and I don't want to go down this like huge thing, but it's kind of heartbreaking that this kid lives in this household with a psychopathic father who has led him down this really dark path, and all he craves is like time with his dad.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm reading into it too much.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think you could look at it that way, but I think we'll see later.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is sad, but I don't think Billy minds being but isn't that like horrifically like terrible it's super dark.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, but they're spending quality time together, so that's okay.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I don't know.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: So Steven finishes his murdering and completes the burial.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_00: As he does this, he mocks his son by saying, Daddy, I want to carry a pumpkin.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what a fucking asshole.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Before entering his house, Steven peers over and sees his older neighbor in the window begging for help and decides to continue on his merry way, completely ignoring the older gentleman who was none too kind to him earlier.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Steven enters his home and he takes his son into the basement where we as the audience think he's gonna sink a kitchen knife, Andrew, into his head, but he doesn't.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: It appears there's something much more heinous afoot.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Steven is not alone in his murderous appetite, but him and his son are a pair as we see Charlie's head spinning on the lazy Susan.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the son is aware, yeah.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was his son also being raised as a future Mr.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wilkins, uh, you know, psycho.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: But this is where if you if you listened like two minutes ago, that uh we were confused on who's in the grave because the person in the grave very much had their head, they were vocalizing, they were trying to like grab Mr.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Wilkins, but we assumed it was Charlie until you see this Charlie's head on the platter here.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I it's important you know this is a lazy Susan.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lazy Susan.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to I'm trying to like bring I'm trying to bring lazy Susan back because nobody seems to know what the fuck I'm talking about when I say lazy season, and it's like we all need one.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I like them.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I like them in the top.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I took from this scene.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Those corner shelves that you have on like on the bottom that like rotate.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Me too, actually find them too.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's like how the fuck do you clean anyway?
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Those like an annoy the shit out of me.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um you want to continue on Steven and Charlie, or do you want to wrap on those?
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm wrapped on I'm totally wrapped on these two for now.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I have a question for you.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have of the four different storylines, do you have a favorite vignette?
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: I at this point in the film, I think even when I remembered watching it, for some reason I really wanted to stay with the girls.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like Anna Packwin and her troupe there.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Me too.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I liked this, it was fine.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I liked it, but I was like, I want to, I wanted that.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: I I think even when I watch it now, I want to get back to the girls, like ASAP.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_00: And they arguably have the shortest runtime.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Not arguably, they do.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: They have much shorter runtime.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Steven, the kids, and Mr.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg seems to have the most time.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Krieg.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the one that I find the most interesting is the one that we don't spend a ton of time with.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I fully agree with you.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Andrew.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: As you mentioned, we're gonna kind of wrap on Steven and Charlie.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Although Steven does make a comeback in a in a characterization that I find odd.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess we'll get there when we get there.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, but for now, we're gonna migrate from Steven to the children as they continue their trick-or-treating adventures and searching for jack-o' lanterns.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: The very same children who requested a jack-o'-lantern from Principal Wilkins.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: A boy named Schrader approaches the home of a young girl named Rhonda, giving me very cary vibes.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the kids decide to bring Rhonda with them on their Hallows Eve adventures.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_00: The children traverse the creepy landscape, and as they walk, Rhonda elucidates to one of the younger kids that Halloween is the night where the barrier between the living and the dead is at its thinnest.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_00: The reason I bring this up is because what they're about to do, this whole story is about that thin veil.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I love like each one, each tradition that is said by a character directly affects the characters within the vignette.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like Charlie, like watch what you're eating, and I just thought that was brilliant.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean so one of the little brats, Macy, begins to tell the kids the story of the Halloween bus massacre.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_00: A town legend about a school bus carrying eight troubled and disturbed children.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I thought about this?
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, these kids literally just have like OCD.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Am I wrong?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, but on this day, the driver, it's true! She's like, they're talking, uh whatever.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but on this day, the driver took a different route, and instead of taking the students home, he drove the bus to an abandoned rock query.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Quarry?
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Quarry.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Quarry.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_00: It appears their parents, devious and exhausted, made an offer with the bus driver to drive their little angels to the quarry and do away with them once and for all.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_00: However, one of the children escaped and drove the bus off the quarry cliff, sending them all to a watery grave.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: The bus driver, however, survived the crash.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, keep this for later.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: So fun fact here, fun fact, is the kid, the kid that causes this crash, the uh the vampire kid, I think that's his that's actually his credit.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're blaming him?
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually gonna bring up that.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually the actor Richard Harmon.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: So he was in a I mean, I'm not really I didn't know Richard Harman until last year.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but he was in Final Destination's bloodlines, and he's the tattoo artist guy who dyes the MR MRI machine.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's him.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's amazing.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love these little tidbits.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's incomplete.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_01: These kids seem like they were just on the spectrum, but they don't seem that bad, but I don't know.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So Macy has taken her friends the exact quarry.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_00: What is it called?
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a quarry.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Quarry.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Quarry.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, woman.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, shut up, man.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because quarry is like I'm quarrying something.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I no, that's query.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's query.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's query, dude.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: You're not you're not good at pronunciation, period.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna call it quarry.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't say that, dude.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Don't even say that.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta say worry, query.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, quarry.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Macy has taken her friends to the exact query where the incident took place.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Her plan is to offer up the jack-o'-lanterns as tribute to the dead children.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_00: At least that's what she tells Rhonda.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Three of the kids, including Schrader and Macy, begin to descend into the query.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_00: When Rhonda and the younger boy follow, they quickly notice the other three have vanished.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to pause for a minute to hear to say that I think out of all the vignettes in this film, this one has the best scenery.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's and set design.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this this it's dripping an atmosphere.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And because they've descended into the query, there's like this, there's like they're shrouded in fog.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so there's no sense of like space or where you are or the sky, like it's very insular.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I just thought that embodied Halloween for me, which I thought was fucking epic.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think this is a great example too of making a scene seem claustrophobic or up close and intimate, even though they're always in a wide open area, but like that that fog in the nighttime does the the and the camera work, does a lot of good uh like heavy lifting here, making the scene seem very, like, very, very intense and small.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I would argue that for me, this particular scenery definitely gives me the new Sabrina TV show vibes.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's probably my favorite Halloween scene out of every out of any Halloween film I've ever seen.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's it's steep, it's just like I was watching it yesterday, and I was like, fuck, I love how I feel right now.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm steeped in this dark, Halloween-y atmosphere.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a theme for me, too.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: This film, and that's what I said earlier.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we we that's why I'm telling you, and we told you earlier to watch, do yourself a favor and like watch or re-watch the film because this film does this often where it gives you a feeling in your chest, like it's it's like this cozy, like it just feels good to watch this movie.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's all it's just awesome.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas, like, you know, not to compare it to Halloween, obviously, these are completely different films and completely different times, but Halloween is very hollow, like it's very like it, like this is set design, and this is scene building, and obviously there's way more money behind it, but just a different take on like how you might convey Halloween, and I just loved it.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Rhonda leaves the confines of the elevator and finds the upturned bus and a series of floating masks.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Masks that belong to the drowned children.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_00: As she moves in even closer, a hand emerges from the soil and a zombified figure erupts from beneath the ground.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_00: It appears the long-dead children have returned to collect their offering, but we realize quickly the undead are actually just Macy and her pals playing a little prank on Rhonda, who is quite visibly upset.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not only is she is she she's not visibly upset.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is a girl you can see in the acting, like uh you were watching someone become traumatized.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, a hundred percent yeah.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_01: She the terror in her voice, I think this is the point.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is the point of the scene, is this prank clearly went further than even like Schrader, who's kind of the voice of reason, uh I don't think had any clue this would affect Ronna this way.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Rana drops her glasses and she ends up tripping and smashing her head, like it goes sideways really fast.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, the the kids couldn't have not to defend them, but they couldn't have like accounted for the fact that she would do that.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I have a question for you.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is crazy of me to ask, but do you think what the kids did was that bad?
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think I don't either, like without Rhonda having fallen, knocked her head in her glasses.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, she was terrified, but like I think spooking a friend as a prank in a on Halloween, like, think about it.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_01: They don't touch her, they don't attack her, they don't spray her with anything, they don't do any of these like those bad faith what people would call pranks.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is simply scaring the taillights out of someone.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: I do think the first one grabs her by the leg.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, but still, like, I mean, whatever, like apples and apples is apples, whatever that expression is.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_00: But I think like apples and apples and orange.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like bobbing for apples on Halloween.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I think like we uh I I felt the same way.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I felt like like Macy is a bitch, but yeah, Macy hates it even when Rhonda gets any positive attention from Schrader, she hates it.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_00: She does, but she's not, and I've watched this twice.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like she's ruthless or relentless toward Rhonda.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I guess, okay, wait, but if you back up, it's like the whole crack.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_00: She's no Chris Harginson, but she's like Chris Harginson light, because they did lure Rhonda to this location.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's I if you want to look at this in terms of uh morality scale, the kind of like the legwork they put into the prank would make it seem like they're gonna do something really bad.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like exactly.
• 1:27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think in today's day and age of watching Stephen King bullies and bullies be absolute psychopaths.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is pretty tame compared to what you normally see.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad I'm glad that you had the same feeling I did because I was curious about that.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_00: So as Schrader comforts Rhonda, again, Macy hates this.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Macy and Ko, who are now off screen, begin to scream.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And Macy cries, they have to go.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_00: It appears there are other people down there giggling.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we see all eight dead children approach slowly.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_01: And key point, key point to note here just before this, this is key.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_01: What does Macy do?
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_01: She kicks a lit jack-o' lantern into the water.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And not only that, but the kids are puzzled as the school bus has risen from the watery grave with its nose sticking out almost to be a display piece for the kids.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was bizarre.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I just went with that.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you're right.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, obviously, like the bus was had been vanished, and they say in the lore that no one had ever found it.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: So the fact that it was upturned and it was there was like a big deal.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I have I have an answer to all of this for you after you finished with the I want to say one more thing too.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know, like until I watched this film, like the importance of the jack-o'-lantern and lighting the jack-o'-lantern.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_00: So there are two episodes in this film where someone delights the jack-o'-lantern and their fate is they die.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I love another tradition.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So when the kids try and enter the elevator, Rhonda doesn't let them enter.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, sending herself up and leaving the little brats to their fate, even Schrader, uh being completely annihilated by the zombified children.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, fuck you, Macy.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_01: I also love too that when she gets the top, you hear them, you don't see, but you hear them being torn to pieces.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, it's really funny.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but I don't know if they quite uh deserved that.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I do enjoy it.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_00: You did.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_00: You implied it.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I know, I know.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_00: As Rhonda, I found this really interesting too.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, as Rhonda leaves the scene with a lit jack-o'-lantern trailing behind her, we see Sam, but he doesn't approach Rhonda and he leaves her be.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then I ask Andrew, isn't Sam just a barometer of good humanity?
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you weren't fucking around, he wouldn't attack the shit out of you.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, exactly.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's why, like, I think that's why this movie presents like he's a very he is just the embodiment of the traditions of Halloween.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't he's not out like a serial killer to target you and kill you.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: If you just have a normal night, it's these it's bad faith actors and people who decide to put out Shack O'Lanterns who deserve to die.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I think I didn't realize this.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really pick this up until like I watched this again.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know maybe this might seem dumb, but like this is clearly the bus and the kids being resurrected.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's part of Sam's powers.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like he he did that.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't connect those two things because well, I almost look at them as parallel.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think now that I think about it, you're right.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_00: You must be right, right?
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's no other reason for it because I guess I think Sam is directly involved in uh in well then.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_01: I guess the the werewolves they kill someone, that's not Sam is present, but he's not doesn't that's what I mean.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like there are like these parallel, I think because it's Halloween and the veil is thinnest.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole bunch of shenanigans going on.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because at the end, Sam and the children are on unrelated agendas.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, you're right.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Unless Sam is like, hey, like I'm not gonna go through with this because they're here, but that's not really what happens.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, I guess I just find it interesting that Sam just is always present when that stuff goes down.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like that that makes total sense.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_00: I also think it's really cool that the reason Rhonda probably didn't die at the hands of Sam is because she kept the jack-o'-lantern lit.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and she clearly like was super inal and like had uh utmost respect for the for the day.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_00: She did, but I think had that jack-o'-lantern be been like snuffed, I think she would have been toast, regardless.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Fun fact, Yander, this story's ending was initially written that the kids would bring Rhonda back to the quarry because she forgot she was dead.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_00: But Doherty said the surprise you're dead idea was becoming a trope at the time with like the Sixth Sense and like other films.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I quite like this.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I like that uh I'm not a fan of the surprise you're dead purgatory.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I really don't respond well to films and TV shows that center around that that theme.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with you there.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I need a good old-fashioned, like, let's just fucking brutalize someone, baby.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I think um the having like trying to subvert your audience with a gotcha, this actually didn't happen the way you think it did.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like saying, actually, the main character like wakes up then in the film and they're a house cat.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just like, okay, this that none does really matter then, or this is not the way you know what I mean.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I sometimes have to be a lot of things that does a disservice.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I don't like it.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I really don't like it.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_00: I like things that are embedded in reality.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mind if there's like a spiritual, you know, extraterrestrial sci-fi fantasy element to it, but I need something to be embedded in reality for me to enjoy.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I need there to be stakes, yeah, exactly.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_00: The stakes.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Andrew.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_00: We are going to leave the kids behind momentarily as we head back in to the little red riding hood story, which, as we mentioned, is our favorite.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut to a young woman being sexually pleased by a hooded figure in black.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_00: The figure licks her body, and she notices suddenly she's bleeding.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's been biting her all over with a set of very sharp teeth.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_00: She narrowly escapes, grabbing on to a passing Emma and Henry, remember this is earlier, who chalk this up to she's just drunk and continue on their merry way.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_00: The woman slowly turns, realizing the hooded figure is behind her, and we snap cut to her dead body positioned along the street, the hooded figure escaping into the Halloween crowd.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I have a question for you that I'm just gonna ask off the top here.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, once we find out who this is, I started to question if this makes sense.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because typically, like the sorry, typically with serial killers, there is a specific type, like is there's an archetype that they go after in order to satisfy their cravings.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I found this like to be like a jump, like a 180 on this character.
• 1:35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we also we also know from like I hate the how the I actually don't like the prevalence of true crime all over the TV and stuff, but I will say that we have learned like for decades now, but the the common person knows that like psychopaths typically adhere to a ritual, yeah.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: They like a certain they have a certain way they like to it like we see Wilkins earlier that not only do we see him um put stuff in the can, like he poisons Charlie, but we actually see his station.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: We get a station, a quick little like camera pan over his station, uh where he's it's got like a bunch of stuff like cyanide and some other chemicals and needles with a chocolate bar on a scale.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: So like it seems his whole shtick is is doing that.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: And fun fact here all the candy wrappers, everything you see is all made up candy for the movie, which I think is pretty fun.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's fun, yeah.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_00: But it that's MO, I thought, right?
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this like hit him having this man in black vampire fantasy thing, uh it kind of comes out of nowhere, but I mean, whatever, I don't know.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's silly.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'm with you.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I I I I think it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, and maybe in the drawing board, maybe he did, maybe Daherty at one point had a separate storyline about a guy who masquerades as a vampire at the festival.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe for time or maybe for whatever he he wrote that that story and character into Wilkins.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_00: We transition back to Little Red Riding Hood, Lori, who is traversing the town's Halloween celebration on the hunt for an available man for what at the time seemed to be to lose her virginity.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_00: She heads down a lonely pathway marked by jack-o'-lanterns, and we hear footsteps in the woods following her.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_00: This I thought was so clever because this literally is little Red Riding Hood on her way to grandmother's house in the forest.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how clever and cute is that?
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_01: And like, it's a cool I just like this laneway that's populated by all these jack-o' lanterns on either side, like highlighting the path.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think this scene's just really cool too.
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I mentioned you mentioned that Corey.
• 1:38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I liked I like the set of this scene a lot.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_00: I agree, and I almost wish we spent three more minutes creating the fear around her being alone on this pathway.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just a little bit more to sync us in to her being the victim.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I needed from that.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_00: I remember thinking that, like, wow, this happens really quick.
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because what happens is she turns around and says, She's not in the mood.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_00: So just come out.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_00: And as she turns around, the hooded figure has fallen upon her, shoving her against a tree and saying, My, my, what big eyes you have.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_00: He gnashes his sharp teeth and bites into her flesh.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_00: As this happens, we cut to the party in Sheep's Meadow.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Lori's gal pals are convening around a fire before one of them begins to scream.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_00: A figure wrapped in red falls from the sky, and we are meant to assume that Lori has succumbed to the hooded figure.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I thought.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was Lori.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I thought she was Toast.
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like this too because like the body comes flying into view wrapped in the uh cloak.
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_01: And once we see the reveal, you start to put together that pretty quickly here that that things are not what they seem.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like I like the feeling that you get when you see the reveal.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's subversive.
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is like the little red riding hood is not the victim.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's the person you need to be afraid of.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's wonderful.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is an idea that we need to take into our lives.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_00: As one of her sisters opens the cloak, it isn't Lori at all, but the hooded figure himself.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he's masked at the time, so we don't know who this is yet.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Casually approaching from behind is Lori, who says it took longer than she thought.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_00: This is where you go, what?
• 1:40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is like it's because too.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like they at first, the girls, all the girls' faces are like they kind of act surprised, so like you think they're trying to keep up, they're they're they're like trying to act horrified at this thing happening.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_01: But then like Danielle casually says, like, you know, like what took you so long, kind of thing.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they're talking so casually, guys, like almost dead.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like super chill.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Also, one thing I want to remark on here, and I don't know if you noticed this, but like when a body that is like probably around 200 pounds comes flying into the scene, yeah, someone threw that.
• 1:41:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_01: So even if it was, yeah.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_01: The implication that she's also like, for some reason, she's super strong.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_00: But when you see the hooded red figure fly in, you think that the man in black may actually have super strength and be either a vampire or I think it's a werewolf because of what he says to her.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I love just the subversion there is fucking super clever.
• 1:41:39
  SPEAKER_00: And like it totally ties in, like you mentioned, like the whole conversation they have around their costumes and what their mandate is for the evening is just really satisfying and clever.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_01: I would argue, by the way, not to put a not to be a jerk here.
• 1:41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's definitely living a vampire fantasy.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the cloak, the like the mask, and he he's inside his two canines are the sharp teeth.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's why would he say my my what because she's just because she's in a little red ride?
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, exactly.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I do agree with you.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he does look more like a vampire.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_01: He like stalks the alleyways, he that first girl, he's like biting her all over.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_01: I would argue in most media, the vampire plays the role of like the stalker, the the no true, yeah, the gentleman in a cloak and mist mystery, whereas the werewolf is savagery and brute force.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, fine.
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so one of the women, so one of the women reveals the masked figure to be none other than Principal Stephen Wilkins.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Child killer.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Who's got a absolutely blown up, like uh broken compound fracture leg, which is why he can't get up.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he is in terrified shock.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: And we get a cool we get a cool scene here, too.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like he asked for help from the girl dressed as I think Snow White, and then he looks over and we get a pin, like a camera looking at a bunch of guys who are already been ripped apart and bleeding.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just like that.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny, it's funny because like when you look at that, like when the scene, when the body flew in, I don't think as an audience member you realize that there was any carnage there.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_00: So there are scenes in this movie that I've left out where Danielle and another woman talk about Lori.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, she's taking long.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess what like you don't realize that there is an enormous group sacrifice happening behind them because of the casualness in which they speak.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: That is, do you understand the level of brilliance in this little vignette?
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_00: It is so fucking smart and amazing and feminist kind of.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I agree.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I love that it's like a bunch of bad bitches that just slaughter these awful men.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they lure them in because the men are like, I want to get fucked.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, you're gonna get fucked.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Did the guy did the did the costume store guy really do anything wrong other than being ticed by a member of the opposite sex?
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like I mean, yeah.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't know.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I don't think so, but I do think it's like I think the message is like stop treating people like they are to be consumed and start treating them like people you may want to engage with.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we're all like very much animals and we're very horny, and we look at things and we covet things and we want things, and I totally get it.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I just think the women are savage.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think Mr.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wilkins, however, yeah, is perfectly like viable for great candidate to be here.
• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_00: So Lori says to her sister, she's nervous, and her sister affirms, just be yourself.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Lori straddles Steven, telling him it's her first time, and to bear with her.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And we get an incredible scene of the women ritualistically dancing and transforming into werewolves.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_00: I loved the fact that they were tearing their skin.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is a werewolf transformation I've never seen before, where they're actually ripping off their old skin and becoming werewolves.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_01: And this is very, this is I love this too.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's so 2000s because Sweet Dreams Are Made of This by the Marilyn Manson cover plays.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they all start to like sensually like move around, their faces already contorting.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we get that you're you're absolutely right.
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_01: The one girl to the other girl's back with her nail slits her back open, and it's so gro like, it's so gruesome and yet so like gnarly, it's so cool.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I just loved it.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote that Anna Packlin looks unbelievably hot here.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do even I'll say this too, like with the teeth and the face already controlled.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think she looks like smoking here.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_00: I just couldn't believe I was like, she looks more gorgeous than I have ever seen her look.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I want to be Mr.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wilkins and that you could rip me at first.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Having a straight podcaster.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um so she says, My my, what big eyes you have, which makes way more sense, before fucking devouring him while the other wolves howl to the night.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And this story comes to a close.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_01: I love too, as she's about to do that.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it's one of her sisters, one of her friends, walks like right beside her, like stares at Krieg like all our uh sorry, stares at Wilkins like right like fake, like point blank just to watch.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like that's really cool.
• 1:47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they all do that because it's like her first time.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the werewolves is actually incredibly close to her and stares up at her.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are you going to do it?
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Are you going?
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna guess it's her sister too.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_00: She looks a little less attractive.
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's also funny, too.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, at so I think it's I think it's earlier in the scene.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_01: We get a lot of references here, but like earlier the scene, the Danielle says she was always the runt of the litter.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was kind of funny.
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's really, really funny.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh I clocked that as well.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, Andrew, that concludes three of the four stories.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna enter our fourth story where we cut to another title card that says earlier.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, girl, we're going earlier.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, transgression number one.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_00: We watch as some trick-or-treaters approach a dark house and knock on the door.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_00: As the door opens, we get a glimpse of some devilishly yellow eyes.
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_00: Which at the time, because it was earlier, I half thought this could be a werewolf.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it wasn't, but I love that they kind of like throw back to the idea that werewolves exist.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_00: But then they subvert this because it turns out to be Mr.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Kriegs dog Zip, who just chases the kids from the property.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_00: But the way that they show the dog is with this growling yellow eyes post-werewolf scene.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, I think he's actually a cute little Jack Russell Terry or something, right?
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's adorable.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, such a cute dog.
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what the transgression is here, though?
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_01: For oh, yeah, he ref he commits a bunch.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_01: He has no jack-o' lanterns, he shoots, he chases trick-or-treaters away.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't give them candy.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he doesn't hand out candy.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the traditions, Andrew, is you must provide an offering to the dead.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Asshole.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_00: I have to say, when I lived in a townhouse where you could walk up to the first floor on Halloween, I feel so bad.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I would just like close the curtains and like turn the lights down.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, why didn't I just give out candy?
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, I get it.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you're I was Mr.
• 1:49:39
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg.
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh your your old place was more like a you would have had to sit on like steps that were not attached to your door.
• 1:49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but kids can come up and knock on the door.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_00: I could have sat inside.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 1:49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, this is boring.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, where did you live?
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg is played by Brian Cox, another member of the X2 team who happens to be Steven's older neighbor from earlier.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_00: Once inside, his dog Zip begins to bark, and Mr.
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg notices the front gate to his property open again.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_00: A small figure hurls an egg at his window before scurrying off, which further pisses off Mr.
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg, who is basically like a reclusive alcoholic fucking asshole.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we kind of learn why he has become this character later on.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Out back, we see Zip munching on the finger Mr.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wilkins threw over the fence earlier.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_00: And we revisit the scene between Mr.
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg and Steven, but this time from the perspective of Mr.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg, lending the audience perspective on what time this is.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is also really cool.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you don't often get something like this in films and movies.
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it was it's really cool to see a scene you've seen with a different camera angle, but they obviously had to film at the same time.
• 1:51:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like that a lot.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 1:51:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that it's like from you now know why Mr.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg went outside.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like if in case you're wondering like why he randomly opened the door and went out there, now we have more perspective and context than that, which I think is amazing.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the cool thing about these like intercut stories is like you learn way more information um from the perspective of the character in the vignette.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he calls Steven a goddamn freak, which he's not wrong, before heading back inside.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_00: This time, Zip barks at something upstairs inside the house, and we see the doggy door swinging as if something just came through, small enough to fit through a doggy door.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I think by this point, at this point too, he quickly checked the front door because the dog barked at the front door for a second, and he's it reveals he's got dozens of lit jack-o'-lanterns out front of his house.
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Transgression number one.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so then he's got all these new brand new pumpkins that have come out of nowhere, and he turns around to see the doggy door actually flapping too.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes.
• 1:52:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because something small has scurried upstairs, Andrew.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's first reaction is to grab the loaded shotgun from upon the fireplace and slowly ascend the stairwell.
• 1:52:37
  SPEAKER_00: As he attempts to turn on a light, we see a small pumpkin-headed figure we've seen throughout the film scurry across the hallway.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_00: We also hear his beloved dog Zip squeal.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg enters his bedroom to investigate.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_00: We see a jack-o'-lantern light aflame and expose writing and blood all across his walls and ceiling that reveal the words of the song trick-or-treat.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_00: From beneath the bed, Sam, the figure in the pumpkin costume, slices Mr.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's Achilles tendon with a razor blade buried inside a chocolate bar.
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_00: Ugh.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's so fun?
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I the Achilles tendon attacks in movies, they always make me win.
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just like, oh god, that would hurt so fucking bad.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_00: I have two top of mind.
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_00: One is House of Wax.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just watched completely fucking disgusting.
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we watched that together.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_00: And um and Kill Bill.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_01: This it's it's so I don't know what it is.
• 1:53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like you see, people get hacked at bits in movies, but that cut is like it's directly on the tendon.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_01: You just uh also I know we uh we're moving here on a clip here, uh, but I'm pretty sure that this scene contains an homage.
• 1:54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's to Evil Dead, in my opinion, because he's got a double barrel shotgun and he removes the covers right before the right this is right before the lit jack-o'-lantern in the room.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he removes the covers to see an animatronic hand.
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_00: Which I'm assuming was put there by Sam.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think this is an homage to Evil Dead 2 because in Evil Dead 2.
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_01: I just watched this last week.
• 1:54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Ash is chasing around his severed hand while shooting at it with a double barrel shot.
• 1:54:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm pretty sure that's an Evil Dead reference.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm pretty sure.
• 1:54:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go and say yes, why not?
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Why else would there be like just a lone animatronic hand on the back?
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think for sure that's what it is.
• 1:54:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know, okay.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I know that I've like hammered this like the fuck home at this point, but I I love the fact that because Mr.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg refuses to participate in Halloween, this is his fate.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_00: It is he is brutally accosted and attacked and taunted by Sam.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we find out it's for like for such a simple reason.
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like this is cool too because like we've seen Sam throughout the movie in little appearances, and this is kind of his time to shine.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_01: This last like 50 minutes of the film here.
• 1:55:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just I love this part.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he takes on a really antagonistic role.
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Mr.
• 1:55:33
  SPEAKER_00: K shoots at the figure, but Sam easily escapes the shots, and the two meet downstairs after Mr.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_00: K discovers the hard way.
• 1:55:45
  SPEAKER_00: His stairwell is caked in razor blades and candy.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sam, who is quite agile, is seen crawling across the ceiling before hopping on Mr.
• 1:55:56
  SPEAKER_00: K's back, and the two have a good tussle.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_00: K manages to toss a little guy off his shoulders and rushes to the window where he pleads for Steven's help.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_00: But as we saw earlier, Steven doesn't do a goddamn thing.
• 1:56:15
  SPEAKER_00: I loved that in the beginning we don't know why Mr.
• 1:56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg is at the window pleading for help, and now we do.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love this.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the payoff, but like I said, the payoff for scene earlier scenes here is just is really, really satisfying.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why like the intercutting is so delicious.
• 1:56:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's not a lot of it.
• 1:56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like these stories really do.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like when when I was like, like even the script that we were talking about right now, it's like I haven't removed a lot or moved things around very much at all.
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_00: I did at the beginning slightly, but the fact that like you're getting this from Mr.
• 1:56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's perspective is delicious.
• 1:56:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just fucking cool.
• 1:56:56
  SPEAKER_00: I just like I wish there, I don't know.
• 1:56:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just enjoy this movie, I guess.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's I wish there were more.
• 1:57:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_01: This movie, I think it's I think it's hard to do, but I think this movie does it so well that it's like it's just so satisfying to have watched the movie, and you're getting a lot of payoff as an audience member um in this in these scenes here, seeing Krieg from the other from his point of view uh versus Wilkins.
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:57:23
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Andrew, we have a tiny bit left on the Mr.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg, and then we will wrap up.
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_00: As we know, as soon as Steven enters the home, Sam continues his assault, and in the ensuing struggle, he is revealed to have an actually deformed pumpkin head.
• 1:57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is that a really cool humanoid pumpkin face?
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_00: And Mr.
• 1:57:53
  SPEAKER_00: K does manage to best Sam and shoot him twice with his shotgun, revealing the little creature does bleed pumpkin innards.
• 1:58:03
  SPEAKER_00: And also I love that.
• 1:58:05
  SPEAKER_02: So good.
• 1:58:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he also has the ability to put himself back together, which I thought was very cool.
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I mentioned earlier at the top of the podcast, I recently saw the new Resident Evil, and this uh like 100% gave me that vibe.
• 1:58:23
  SPEAKER_00: The hand was crawling across the floor with the strings, and it re-attaches to the body.
• 1:58:29
  SPEAKER_00: I thought was amazing.
• 1:58:31
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I think this is the director, I think this is Toddie's ode to John Carpenter and maybe the thing of it, but definitely John Carpenter, is that when the hand first crawls across the floor, um, he says, You gotta be fucking kidding me.
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Which is what McCready says in the thing when the severed head, I think, spider legs emerge from it.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_01: He says that line.
• 1:59:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's that's I think it's kind of an ode to Carpenter and McCready there.
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then you take it a step further, and you think Resident Evil, when the two bodies reattach in the farmhouse, so sick.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_00: Austin Abrams says, interesting.
• 1:59:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's flabbergasted by what is happening.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's a step.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll say this we'll stay on topic here.
• 1:59:23
  SPEAKER_01: I won't go into Resident Evil.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 1:59:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have a little tangent, but I'll just for another time.
• 1:59:28
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome movie.
• 1:59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Sam approaches Mr.
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg in a final showdown, biting down on a pumpkin lollipop.
• 1:59:38
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, where have we seen this before?
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's this is we now see the origin of the razor sharp pumpkin lolly that uh he uses to cut Emma's Leslie Bibbs character's neck at the start of the film.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_00: He uses a lollipop to stab Mr.
• 1:59:58
  SPEAKER_00: K, but instead strikes a chocolate bar, begins eating it, and happily walks away.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: So all Mr.
• 2:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg had to do was offer Sam candy on Halloween night.
• 2:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sam, this is why like Sam is the true definition of a lawful neutral entity.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: And lawful neutral is a DD term for the nerds out there.
• 2:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, speak English, dude.
• 2:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is a complete embodiment of adhering to a code and being neutral on the morality of it.
• 2:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's like he it's he's not about whether you're a good or a bad person, it's whether you adhere to the traditions, and that like I know we've hammered that before, but I love that this simple scene completely puts the attack to a dead stop.
• 2:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like fantastic, and the way he walks away.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, even though we've seen his pumpkin head, his cute little pumpkin mouth eats a bite of the chocolate bar and he waddles away and it's so adorable.
• 2:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love him, man.
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Off to wreak more havoc, literally.
• 2:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we kind of think Mr.
• 2:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's story is wrapped, right?
• 2:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're kind of like, okay, this is done.
• 2:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: But later that evening, we cut to Mr.
• 2:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg's fireplace, and in it burns photos of the bus driver and children that were driven over the quarry.
• 2:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: And as it turns out, Mr.
• 2:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg is the bus driver.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh damn.
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 2:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: Lest you think, Andrew, that Mr.
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg is fine to live another day.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Escaping.
• 2:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: We hear we hear a knock at the door, and Mr.
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg, battered and bruised, at least this time, deciding to partake in Halloween, proceeds to hand out candies to the children.
• 2:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we sort of get this wrap-up scene where the vignettes collide.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: So we see from the audience perspective, we see Rhonda heading home with her jack-o'-lantern, Steven's son Billy on the step handing out candy, the werewolf vixens in their car, and of course, Emma and Henry.
• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: At the top of the movie, when Emma blew out the candle to the jack-o'-lantern, she sealed her deadly fate.
• 2:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: And we even hear Henry say, There are rules.
• 2:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: You might upset someone.
• 2:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that storyline to me comes full circle.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: We now know why Sam attacked Emma, and we know how he got his weapon.
• 2:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant.
• 2:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and what's really cool here, too, is that I think when you see this scene, I thought it was interesting because um you get in the very start of the film, you see this, like it's kind of an intro to like you've seen Emma and Henry, but you see a person walking just from their ankles down, um, dragging a cart, and they cross the street and a car slams their brakes on.
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you and you think this is all just part of like you know, the set dressing and the intro to the movie, but yes, in that scene at the very end when this when they all collide, you get the full cameras now above, and you actually it's Rhonda dragging the cart, and it's the girls in the car.
• 2:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought it was really, really cool bookend.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really cool bookend effect there.
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like amazing, and I love that it's because I I feel like you think you're not going to see these characters again, like the movie's done.
• 2:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not, it's like you kind of just get this little, yeah, it's just brilliant, like you said.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_00: You summed it up great.
• 2:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: But Andrew, we end with Mr.
• 2:03:55
  SPEAKER_00: Krieg, who hears another knock at the door, and outside his door are the eight children he was paid to murder.
• 2:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: One of the children says, trick or treat, and the film comes to a bloody close.
• 2:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those zombie kids.
• 2:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Mr.
• 2:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: Krieg does not escape.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: He escaped Sam's, you know, kind of he gave Sam candy, escapes being murdered by Sam, but uh no, he does not he does not escape the injustice he committed.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I like that a lot.
• 2:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, now that we've discussed it, I think you initially gave it a five.
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: What would you give it now?
• 2:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely did not initially give it a five.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but I I I love I watch this movie, I've watched this movie almost every year for the last few years.
• 2:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: So um this guy, I said it before.
• 2:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you're still here, uh don't say that.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
• 2:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this movie is Halloween.
• 2:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: This this movie is Halloween, the feeling of Halloween that you get, it's in a movie and and what and this is a must-see every season.
• 2:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I gave it a nine out of ten.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: As you can tell from the podcast, I also gave it.
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Did I give it a nine?
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'd give it a nine.
• 2:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's amazing.
• 2:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, is there anything you'd like to say as we wrap up our Halloween episode on Trick or Treat?
• 2:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say to everyone, have a happy Halloween.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 2:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think your other your other two attempts, I think, were they were better.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're good.
• 2:05:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, that's it.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Join us again for our next feature film, y'all.