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Derek Tam-Scott and Tazio Ottis Go for a Drive · That Car Show

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  There's not a lot of events in the States where you see these
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  cars actively being hustled. I mean, you can go to Pella
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  Beach and see them on the lawn and that's great, But there's
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  nowhere where you can really see experience, watch the car in
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  actually, and you can on this event.
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  And I think that's really unique and really special.
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  This week on that Car show, Ryan and I are joined by Tozio Otis
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  and Derek Tam Scott. The three of them just got back
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  from a week on the Colorado Grand and it was as epic as
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  you'd imagine. We talk about the people, the
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  cars and the roads of the Colorado Grand, what makes a
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  good grand car and why they want to return next year.
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  Also, Derek and Taz share about their business, OTS and Co, and
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  what it's all about. They are true enthusiasts who
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  really know their stuff and it was fun getting to know them.
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  And if you're a fan of the show, you've at least heard of the
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  Colorado Grand. I'm lucky enough to say that
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  I've just returned from this year's Grand, and so have the
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  two guests joining me and Lindsay tonight.
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  The Grand, if you don't know, is 1000 miles driving some of the
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  world's best vintage sports cars and racing cars, and some of the
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  greatest roads that Colorado has to offer.
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  Generally speaking, the cars are model year 1960 and earlier, and
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  they really are some of the greatest cars in the world
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  there. There are always a number of
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  significant Ferraris, including again this year what I think is
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  the only unrestored nineteen 57250 Testarossa 2 words,
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  several competition Maseratis, multiple Jaguar C&D types, a
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  dozen or so classic 300 SLS, along with Allards, Invictus
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  launches, Bentleys, Aston Martins and absolutely other
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  amazing stuff. And what's neat is that it's
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  also a non profit with annual giving to the communities we
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  visit, something near $1,000,000 each year now, which is
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  incredible. In the names, Derek Tam Scott
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  and Tatio Otis are probably familiar as well.
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  Taz and Derek are two of the three proprietors of OTS and Co,
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  a specialty car brokerage in Berkeley, CA Taz is also a noted
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  racer and a mechanic along with his father Patrick.
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  And Derek hosts along with Jason Camisa, the highly regarded and
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  masterfully named Carmudgeon Podcast, which is part of the
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  Haggerty Podcast Network. So welcome Derek and Taz to that
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  car show. Thank you for having us.
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  Thank you so much. Glad to have you.
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  So we've been home for a few days now from the grand.
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  What are you telling people about your grand experience?
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  First thing is probably that I miss Colorado.
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  Yeah, it's a pretty. Great state, right?
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  Yeah. It's, it's weird to not be
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  buzzing around in like a 50s Italian car every single day.
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  Like I think the first day I woke up and I was ready to jump
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  back into that leather seat and kind of be deafened for a day.
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  And when that didn't happen, it was a little weird.
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  So what'd you guys drive? We were in a 1956 Alpha
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  Giulietta Sprint dubbed of Veloce, but it's kind of an
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  abnormale. OK so very very hot rodded for
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  what it is, but all like period conversion stuff. 3 shoe brakes.
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  Has a limited slip rear end in it from a GTV that was modified
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  to fit drum brakes in the back still to keep it appropriate.
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  A big bore kit in the 1300 so still the original block but
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  with bigger Pistons in it and some hot it up cams and some
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  suspension stuff. So a real hot rod for a 1 1/2
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  liter car. Nice, nice.
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  As you can tell, has built the car more or less OK.
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  Yeah, I'm very intimate with it because I did turn a lot of
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  wrenches in. What's the?
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  Story with the car. Where did you find it?
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  How did it get to where it is today?
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  My dad chased it for quite a while.
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  There was the show in Alameda which is close to us called the
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  All Italian Car Show and this older gentleman would bring it
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  out every single year. That was kind of the cars outing
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  for the year. And my dad was really good
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  friends with him and he kept that car and an SC in a hangar
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  in Hayward. And my dad befriended the guy
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  and chased it for probably 20 years or so.
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  And then eventually towards the end he obtained it, which was
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  maybe 8 years ago now. And then I did resuscitation to
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  the car and made it the hot rod that it is.
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  And that guy Earl was the original owner.
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  It should also be getting Wow. Yeah, so 2 owner car.
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  Wow. That's.
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  Amazing. So what inspired you to hot rod
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  it once it was in your family? I My first car was an Alpha
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  Julieta that rolled over on the California melee.
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  I. Spent my.
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  Before you bought it. Yeah, before I bought it in 92,
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  before I was born, and it was in a garage in San Francisco.
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  And prior to me obtaining it, I saw Julietta for the first time
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  when I was maybe 12 and thought that it was the prettiest car
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  I'd ever seen and told my dad I need to have one.
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  And then I also told everyone else I knew that and that he
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  knew that I needed to have one. And eventually one of my dad's
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  friends said well I have one if your son wants to fix it.
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  So I did. I spent a summer break.
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  A shop down the street from us had a rusty except for the top
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  car. So I cut the top off of that,
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  welded it on and then brought it to a paint shop and did a ton of
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  bondo and painted it. Learned how to paint a car,
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  which I don't think I'll do again, when I was 14.
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  And then that was my first car and I stupidly sold it for a
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  race car. So when we got another Julietta,
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  I wanted to set off on doing everything that I would have
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  done to that car. And you had that chance to do
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  it. That's really cool, yeah.
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  Yeah. And so now that you have had the
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  chance to fulfill that dream and then spend like a concentrated
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  amount of time in it on this amazing rally, are you happy
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  with what you did? Is there anything you do
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  differently? Like what are your feelings
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  about it now? Yeah, I mean, I think there's
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  probably some subtle things that I'd do differently.
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  I'm pretty thrilled with the car.
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  I think like these cars, there's a never ending list and
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  especially when you are like flat out in them for five days,
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  you build yet another list of things like some that you need
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  to repair and some that you would just like want to do so
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  it's more comfortable. And so yeah, it's, I'm really
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  happy with it, but there's certainly a lot I want to do
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  more with it. Well, that's fun because it
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  means it's an ongoing, like you're still engaged, it's an
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  ongoing project and you're not just like, all right, now what?
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  Yeah, I think there's these handful of cars that hopefully
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  will be forever, cars that you like just kind of continue to
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  make better for the rest of your life and then you're happy.
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  Yeah, You don't have any issues on the Grand, right?
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  The car was strong. You didn't have any mechanicals
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  or anything? We blew up a voltage regulator.
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  Oh, you did? Yeah, so we did that.
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  I think like there was some passes you're you're climbing
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  for a 1 1/2 liter car at elevation, like climbing 11,000
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  feet is a ton. So there's these times where
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  especially on the roads that are there, you'll be full throttle
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  for, I don't know, 5-7 minutes just kind of flat out.
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  And I think that might have been a little bit much for the
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  regulator to regulate. So, yeah, we failed that.
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  The tack failed on the drive back from Vail on the 5th day
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  when we were dropping the car off at back at Blue Chip back to
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  Denver. I think those were the two major
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  things, Derek, you might remember something else.
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  The transmission mount needs some altering as well.
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  Yeah. I mean, the, the car received a
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  transmission transplant I think a week before the event.
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  And so there was maybe a little more refinement to do on
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  completing that swap because earlier this year we did the the
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  California melee in the car and the transmission showed that it
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  was pretty well used up. And so this the car got a new
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  transmission or rebuilt transmission before this event a
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  week before, Yeah. And further refinement may be
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  needed in terms of locating the transmission.
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  Sure, sure. So you did the, the, the
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  California meal A how did the 2 events compare?
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  I've never done that. I know it's a Haggerty event.
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  I know it's lovely. It's wonderful, but I think it's
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  a very different kind of terrain, right?
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  And, and some different kinds of cars and things.
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  How did the 2 compare for the the two of you I guess?
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  I think we both felt similarly, which was that we preferred the
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  Colorado Grand, which surprised me all the more because I think
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  the California melee is a more suited event to a 1 1/2 liter
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  car. The roads are incredibly
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  different. The California melee is, you
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  know, largely sea level. I don't think you ever go above
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  1500 or 2000 feet. And the roads are very tight and
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  technical and small, you know, tight, tight first gear
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  sometimes. And so there's the car is very
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  well suited to that and the big Ferraris and stuff like that
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  with this big Jag XKS, which are a little bit, you know, maybe
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  not as light on their feet, are not that well suited to the
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  melee. And so you think the alpha would
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  be the alpha is happier on those roads.
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  But Despite that and, and by contrast, the Colorado Grand has
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  a lot of big open countryside where you're kind of flat out a
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  lot even in a big car, certainly in a little car.
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  And so you, the, the roads are more suited to the car.
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  But I think we still prefer the Colorado Grand for a number of
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  reasons, which we can go into at length.
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  But yeah. Please do.
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  Yeah, let's hear. It because I I think, you know,
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  people had had come straight from the Melia right and done
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  other events this year and and I think the refrain was largely
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  the same that people really enjoyed the grand and and and
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  you know, and we didn't even have very good weather this
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  year, right? We got rain down.
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  What was it? At least two of the days.
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  Yeah, good rain in two days for sure.
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  Yeah, yeah. I think, I think that the yeah,
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  I think that the rain, there's a lot of aspects of this event
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  that make it feel a little bit more hardcore.
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  And I think that was the word that we were using throughout
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  the entire event, which it's something that both Derek and I
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  seek when we go on these events. The Kalmile was very, very fun
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  and the roads are great and the atmosphere is great and there's
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  great cars. But it seemed I don't, I don't
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  think soft is the right word for it.
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  But there was a lot of roads that you could cut out.
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  If you want to go to the spa early, you can kind of do the
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  morning loop and then go back to the hotel.
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  Yeah, it was it. Was sort of a your own adventure
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  ish. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, you can follow the route book to the T, but I think there
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  was only so many people that probably actually did the full,
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  let's say, 1000 miles of the event.
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  Yeah. We felt like outliers for having
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  done every mile. Yeah.
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  Really. Yeah, we're really excited that
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  we did the whole event right, that we did every single mile,
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  whereas I think a lot of people didn't do the whole event.
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  And meanwhile, you have so many people here like Nierberg and
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  his Jag that's in a downpour, you know, in AD type with a
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  helmet on that is out there first thing and doing every
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  single mile and hustling the thing and all that.
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  And I think the atmosphere and the way the people approach this
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  event, it just feels a little bit more hardcore.
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  And there there's not really the option to do half the day and go
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  back to the spot you kind of do the whole day.
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  I think that we really like that the lunch spots seem to be at
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  extremities where you have to make it out to the lunch in
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  order to eat, and then you'd have to make it all the way
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  back. It's not like you could go do 50
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  miles and then, you know, have an oyster and then come back.
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  Not that that's bad, but it's just different, yeah.
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  Well, yeah, like the it's because I know the cow mele is a
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  very elevated event in terms of sort of the overall experience.
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  But it sounds like the Colorado Grand is very focused on
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  driving. Definitely.
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  Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
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  And I think that, you know, some of the real enthusiasts come out
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  and they bring their real cars, which I think is interesting.
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  I mentioned Charlie in in that D type with that shark fin and
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  that thing, this dark green car, right?
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  It's just this epic, epic car. And how many D types were there?
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  I mean, this wasn't the only three.
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  And then how many C types? I mean, it was just but but his
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  stood apart. That's just an awesome car.
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  He's a hell of a guy too, so. No, the yeah, I mean, I think
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  the people in the cars here are unbelievable.
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  I think that something that Derek and I worry about often is
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  what the future is for a lot of these cars, especially in the
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  States. You know, you go to events like
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  Goodwood or you go to Lamont Classic and you see grids of
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  these cars and then you think that, you know, at least people
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  are using them overseas. But there's not a lot of events
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  in the States where you see these cars actively being
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  hustled. I mean, you can go to Pelham
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  Beach and see them on the lawn and that's great, but there's
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  nowhere where you can really see experience, watch the car in
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  actually, and you can on this event.
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  And I think that's really unique and really special, yeah.
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  That's really cool. Well, and so for people that
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  don't like I haven't been on the grand, the three of you have
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  obviously. Can you do a brief description?
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  Are you staying in the same place all the days and you do
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  trips, like day trips out or do you move throughout the week?
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  Is it a combination? Like, can you give kind of a
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  brief overview of the event for people that haven't done it?
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  Yeah, I'll let you guys talk. I mean, this year was a little
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  different because we only stayed in two, two towns and often
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  times were in three places. So we did less moving from from
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  place to place. So it's maybe a little more A to
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  a this year. But yeah, I mean, what do you
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  guys, what's your take on it? Yeah, I mean you.
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  So you generally you have a place that you set off from and
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  you either return there or you go somewhere else.
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  But it's a day of, you know, driving most of the day.
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  And you, you have a morning stop and an afternoon stop in
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  addition to lunch in the middle. And, you know, while we were
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  talking about how the California melee is really elevated, the
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  Colorado ground is not exactly roughing it either.
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  For example, there's a luggage truck that brings all your
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  luggage for you so you don't have to put it in your car,
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  especially if you don't have space for such things or weather
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  protection. And there's a mechanical team as
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  well that follows the entire route with truck and trailer and
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  tow trucks so that if there's any issues, they can sort of
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  intervene and try and nurse the car to the end or get it to the
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  night stop and try and do a more substantial intervention to try
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  and get the car back on the road for the next day.
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  And so it's enough meals are all planned out.
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  And you know, there's a charity aspect to the Grand also, which
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  is not present in the meal. And we can return to that
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  momentarily 'cause I'm digressing from the question
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  that you asked. You are, you know, either a
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  couple days you will go back to the place you started and other
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  days you end up in another place.
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  But there's a sensation certainly of going somewhere in
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  the Colorado Grand, which I would say is less present with
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  the melee because the melee routes tended to be sort of
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  concentric circles overlaid on each other.
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  So if you overlaid the route, it would just be a bunch of
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  spaghetti in a pile. And the, the Colorado Grand was
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  more like, oh, we're going to Wyoming today.
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  You know, it's an entirely different state somewhere you
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  might have passed by yesterday. But I think we only like went
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  through the same place like once or twice throughout the entire
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  frame. Although we did spend the last
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  two nights in the same place where we started from, which,
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  you know, was sort of nice because, you know, you get a
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  sense of how things work and how the parking's going to be and
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  sort of it's it's it's also a nice place to be.
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  But Vail that is. So yeah, it's a pretty, there's
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  definitely a sense of going somewhere for sure.
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  I, I understand that other years, previous years, there's
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  been a lot of different night places.
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  I mean, I think you go to different places each each day
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  and maybe that was different this year because of the amount
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  of people that were on the event.
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  Yeah, I think this was a record year.
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  I think we had 131 or 134 cars or some crazy amount.
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  I think you beat the record by 20 or 30 cars.
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  Yeah. And logistically, that's a
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  little bit difficult, right? I mean.
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  It is. It is.
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  Finding that many rooms at a singular place, you need to
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  maybe stay at a resort and find out and accommodate that and the
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  dinners and the parties and all that in.
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  The car and you mentioned going up to Wyoming, right?
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  I mean, there are only so many directions you can go and
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  Nebraska really isn't an option. What So, you know, I think my,
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  this was a great route, don't get me wrong, but I think my
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  personal favorite route is when we get down to Telluride and
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  over to Durango or down to Durango and over to to Moab.
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  That's I. Heard that over and over again.
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  Is that right? Yeah, you want to.
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  Hear that? Yeah.
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  Yeah, you can't do it every year, but it is.
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  I think that's my favorite. I mean, it's just to get a
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  little bit of everything. I think Telluride might be the
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  prettiest area of of all of Colorado.
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  It's gorgeous. I think we're pretty.
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  Motivated to return so. Fantastic.
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  Love to have you back. And Speaking of pretty, you
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  know, the alphas, even in the crowd, this crowded field of
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  like, amazing, amazing cars, and we should come back and just
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  geek out on the cars a little bit because there were truly
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  some phenomenal cars. But the alphas are so pretty.
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  I think you guys know our pal Dan Mcinnis, and he was there in
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  his speciality. Yes.
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  Julieta and. We actually found him that car.
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  That's right. Oh.
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  My gosh. Contacted me probably right
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  after the grand last year because he rode as a passenger
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  and I think that was his first time attending the grand.
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  He said can you find me a Sprint spicale?
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  And I don't know. Some weeks later I heard about
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  one that was from a real friend's dad who's a realtor who
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  found it in the garage of the house that he was representing
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  for sale. And I said, hold on, I think I
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  know somebody looking for this. So we, you know, turned him on
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  to the car and, and he bought it.
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  And fortunately there were many months that were available to
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  him to prepare it because demands of 1000 miles on any of
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  these 70 minimum 70 year old cars are pretty significant.
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  And there were a lot of mechanicals.
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  They're always, I think on these types of events are always a lot
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  of mechanicals, mechanical interventions and issues,
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  failures to proceed, you know that type of thing.
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  So his car I think ran perfectly and I told him it did expired at
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  the end of the grand and then I think his starter failed on the
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  way. Home, Oh my God, that's when he
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  wants to. Well, that's the important part
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  is he made it through the event and I love that.
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  It was like a semi barn find, a garage find.
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  Yeah, that was neat. That was neat.
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  I'm connecting the dots now. It was so also very neat to see
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  Dan and his dad, Dad Billy, win one of the awards this year.
• 19:41
  I think it's the first time it's an award that's intended for
• 19:44
  someone who sort of passing it down to the next generation.
• 19:46
  This, you know, the spirit of enthusiasm, the spirit of the
• 19:48
  grand. Yeah.
• 19:48
  This time around it was. It was from son to father, which
• 19:51
  was a little different. But I couldn't think of two more
• 19:54
  meaningful, you know, or more meaningful a couple of people
• 19:57
  for it to go to. And that's a really it got a
• 19:59
  little teary eyed when that all went down that last night, you
• 20:02
  know, that last dinner. But.
• 20:04
  You could feel how much it meant to them, which was really.
• 20:07
  Cool, I mean. Yeah, it was certainly he.
• 20:09
  Separately provided us with the context that his mother was no
• 20:12
  longer around and they were kind of the only two left, and that
• 20:15
  added even more to it. As if it wasn't already enough
• 20:18
  emotional content to it. Yeah, really special.
• 20:21
  Yeah. Well, for them to get to do that
• 20:23
  together, I think like you were saying, Ryan, like there's a lot
• 20:25
  of, you know, not a lot of parents and adult children get
• 20:28
  to experience that. And for that to be acknowledged
• 20:31
  is really special. I mean, dance, such a fixture in
• 20:34
  the Colorado community, but also Southern California, you know,
• 20:38
  so he's such a, he's such a positive addition to the car
• 20:42
  community. So that's really fun.
• 20:43
  Yes, yes. And now I know where he gets it
• 20:45
  from. I think it was Thursday night.
• 20:47
  Dan and I said, you know, good night, went back to our our
• 20:50
  respective rooms, I think after a drink, after dinner.
• 20:53
  Meanwhile, his dad, Billy, who I think is nearing 80, was out
• 20:56
  till 2:30 in the morning with one of those gangs of folks
• 20:58
  closing down a dive bar. So I think you had a great time.
• 21:02
  Yeah. And and they look so good doing
• 21:05
  it again. That car is so pretty.
• 21:06
  All the alphas again, even in that, that, that crowded field,
• 21:09
  the alphas look so good. And I got to give you guys a lot
• 21:11
  of credit too, because you cut a a good look coming in with the
• 21:15
  white jackets, the OTS and Co jackets.
• 21:18
  I thought that was that was pretty smart.
• 21:20
  So well done. Thank you for that.
• 21:23
  We, you know, we've both, I think, grew up in this space
• 21:28
  interacting with these cars and, you know, learning all the good
• 21:31
  information and developing our taste from the people who came
• 21:35
  before us. And that's where our passion for
• 21:37
  this era of car comes from. And that's part of why we're so
• 21:40
  enthusiastic to share this entire era of cars, which, you
• 21:43
  know, one of our colleagues who's high school aged basically
• 21:48
  called them all pre war cars. He referred to a call in the
• 21:51
  1980s as a pre war car today. Anything before not right hold.
• 21:55
  On now which war are we? Yeah.
• 21:58
  Exactly talking about the Gulf War.
• 22:01
  Right. Yeah.
• 22:03
  So, you know, Taz and I were lucky to grow up around this
• 22:05
  stuff and sort of even though we were stuff from decades before
• 22:09
  we were born, we as youths interacted with a lot and
• 22:13
  developed first hand appreciation, which I think is
• 22:14
  so important for having enthusiasm for these types of
• 22:18
  cars. Because if you don't have any
• 22:19
  first hand interaction with it, it's not meaningful to you.
• 22:22
  And these these events are exactly the types of
• 22:25
  interactions that make these cars meaningful to the people
• 22:28
  who who come in contact with them and ensure that they
• 22:31
  continue to be relevant. And I firmly believe that the
• 22:34
  combination of the Grand and the Calmile and the Mile Mile
• 22:38
  historical and all the events in Europe ensure that cars of this
• 22:41
  era continue to be sought after. I mean, I've talked to so many
• 22:44
  people who said I bought a car of this era for this event
• 22:47
  because I wanted to attend it. And it's creating and supporting
• 22:51
  the continued demand and interest in these cars.
• 22:53
  So I'm really enthusiastic about that aspect because I love these
• 22:56
  cars and I want more people to see them and love them in the
• 22:59
  same way that I do. That's.
• 23:00
  Really cool and that's I think that's reassuring to everybody
• 23:03
  in the car world because there's so much discussion I think
• 23:07
  founded or not, like, you know, do young kids want to get their
• 23:11
  licenses? Do they care about cars?
• 23:12
  They care about driving? And I think you're right, like
• 23:14
  more if you get the chance to have a, you know, kind of once
• 23:18
  in a lifetime experience like that with these cars, that's an
• 23:21
  emotional connection that like is going to last.
• 23:23
  It's. An important point because you
• 23:25
  know, the grand has been around since I think 1989 and the cars
• 23:30
  were also 1960 and earlier in 1989.
• 23:33
  And that is not a sliding scale like that hasn't changed.
• 23:36
  It will never change. So think about a car now that's
• 23:39
  29 years old, right? And what a different event it
• 23:42
  would be if we were all, you know, I don't know E 30s.
• 23:45
  I don't know what would that even not even like E Yeah, I
• 23:48
  mean, it's just they would. Those aren't old cars, right?
• 23:50
  Yeah. I don't.
• 23:51
  It doesn't feel like it. I mean, 99 was five years ago,
• 23:54
  right? Yeah.
• 23:55
  Basically, you know, I assume you guys are in your 30s, early
• 23:58
  30s or so. Yeah, a little bit lower.
• 24:01
  Late 30s. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:03
  OK. All right.
• 24:04
  I. Turned I turned 30 for the
• 24:05
  event. Right on.
• 24:07
  Congratulations. Happy birthday Just.
• 24:08
  For you yeah, yeah, fantastic. It's but it's, you know, you
• 24:12
  wouldn't, wouldn't necessarily have had, you know, experience
• 24:15
  with these cars and you do wonder about the future of
• 24:19
  things. And it is so important to bring
• 24:20
  younger people in. And it'll be a it'll be a
• 24:24
  challenge, I think. But the cars are just so
• 24:27
  inherently great, right? They're just great in a way that
• 24:30
  will never be made again, as you know.
• 24:33
  I think that's part of why we were there.
• 24:35
  I mean, this was the first time we tried to do it, but my sense
• 24:38
  was that there was some effort to bring a new, you know, group
• 24:42
  of people, younger group of people on board.
• 24:44
  And I thought that the the age mix was certainly more varied
• 24:48
  than I would had seen for example, on the Kalmile.
• 24:52
  There were certainly younger people there and some with
• 24:54
  pretty heavy cars. So, you know, I was, I'm
• 24:58
  encouraged to see that and I'm glad organizers are actively
• 25:02
  trying to shift the demographics or move the average age down,
• 25:06
  especially, you know, because it it helps ensure the future of
• 25:09
  the event that's run by a a board.
• 25:12
  And you know, those guys are thinking about the long term
• 25:14
  viability and wanting to ensure that it continues to happen.
• 25:18
  So we were delighted to be able to help with that.
• 25:22
  Russian. Take your part.
• 25:24
  Yeah, shout out to Tom Moran in the in the grand board who
• 25:28
  really do do a fantastic job. But I know that bringing younger
• 25:30
  folks in is, is certainly something that's, you know,
• 25:34
  that's at the forefront right now.
• 25:36
  And and you mentioned the heavy cars.
• 25:38
  We can we talk about the heavy cars because I was shocked the
• 25:42
  first time I walked into that garage a few years ago right at
• 25:44
  the stuff that was there. What stood out for you guys?
• 25:48
  Well if you want to start heavy I think you have to talk about
• 25:50
  the pre war Bentleys. Oh yeah.
• 25:52
  Those are all fair. Yeah.
• 25:55
  And. Literally and figuratively,
• 25:57
  right? Yes, literally and figuratively.
• 26:00
  I mean those cars there were, I think there must have been a
• 26:04
  feature of them that I noticed them all parked together one day
• 26:06
  at lunch and there was a high incidence of them 6-7 cars.
• 26:10
  Yeah, they're always popular. Yeah.
• 26:13
  And these are you know, Cricklewood Bentleys which is
• 26:15
  the original Bentley not like the after the Rolls Royce
• 26:18
  Bentley because Rolls Royce bought Bentley in 1931 and also
• 26:22
  all the Bentleys that won Lamar from before 1931.
• 26:25
  And the most of those Bentleys, with the exception of one, were
• 26:27
  all the pre the pre Rolls Royce Lamall winning era Bentleys,
• 26:32
  which are just these big massive, you know, Atori Bugatti
• 26:35
  called them the world's fastest lorries because they're so
• 26:39
  large. They look like steam engines and
• 26:41
  probably drive like them too. But those guys are super hard
• 26:44
  for oh. Yeah, and they drive the hell
• 26:46
  out of them. We.
• 26:46
  Were saying that they're most among the most reliable cars.
• 26:49
  Like the least interventions that they have to do are on
• 26:51
  those old Bentleys. Probably because they're
• 26:53
  effectively steam powered. I don't know.
• 26:56
  That's incredible, because that's not.
• 26:58
  That wouldn't be my first guess. Sort of like.
• 27:01
  Yeah, but I think they're so overbuilt, you know, they and
• 27:05
  say this is how strong something needs to be.
• 27:06
  They're just going to make it like a cast iron pot and say
• 27:09
  it's probably good enough. By.
• 27:11
  A factor of 3. Yeah, and it's so interesting.
• 27:14
  Some are steel bodied, some have cloth bodies, right?
• 27:17
  Some are short wheelbase, some are long wheelbase.
• 27:19
  I think that the the move is you get the short wheelbase but you
• 27:22
  get the engine from the long wheelbase car if I'm not
• 27:25
  mistaken. Yeah, so it's the eight litre is
• 27:27
  the biggest session that they did and the 8 litre cars were
• 27:30
  never raced. They were the 8 litres were big
• 27:33
  fast sedans or you know cabriolets, they were luxury
• 27:36
  cars. And So what you do is you take
• 27:38
  the 4 cylinder like the 4 1/2 liter car and put the 8 liter
• 27:42
  engine in it. And then it's, you know, it's
• 27:44
  like doing a big block. It's putting as an LS swap.
• 27:47
  Right, the original hot rodding. Yeah.
• 27:51
  Yeah, I think those drivers are some of the the biggest
• 27:53
  characters on the grand each year too, I would imagine it's a
• 27:57
  different breed. That's a different breed.
• 28:00
  Yeah, I think there's an ongoing joke that none of them will put
• 28:02
  their tops up right. I.
• 28:03
  Mean they will. They will.
• 28:04
  But we saw them with the roofs up and we made fun of them and
• 28:07
  told them they'd all gone soft erecting them.
• 28:11
  Yeah, but they took it. I mean, they, they felt bad,
• 28:13
  like they, you saw that they were.
• 28:15
  You could see they were guilty. Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
• 28:18
  Yeah. They're like, this is well
• 28:19
  deserved ribbing. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:21
  We've earned this. So so from have you.
• 28:24
  Oh, go ahead. I was going to say one question
• 28:26
  I have for you, Ryan, is it seems like maybe in past years
• 28:30
  there was more not just the Bentleys, but there was more pre
• 28:33
  war cars and there was the Riley there, right.
• 28:37
  But we didn't see any Bugattis and the only alpha we saw was
• 28:40
  the six C 1750 like the auto car and it didn't take part in the
• 28:46
  in the grand. And it was like probably my
• 28:48
  second favorite car of the event for objects when I saw it and I
• 28:52
  was so excited to see it actually take part in the event
• 28:54
  that it it didn't. I think it was someone's backup
• 28:56
  car. Yeah, yeah, it was a.
• 28:58
  Great backup car to have. But yeah, I'm curious, in in
• 29:01
  previous years, you know, was there more Pru or Alphas and
• 29:04
  Bugattis? So you bring up a good point.
• 29:08
  Most years there's a feature car and the feature car is something
• 29:11
  that maybe wouldn't ordinarily be, you know, represented in
• 29:14
  large, you know, numbers and sometimes it it's a car that
• 29:17
  wouldn't ordinarily qualify. So a couple years ago we did the
• 29:21
  73 Porsche Rs square Rs and I think we had like 15 or
• 29:25
  something, which was just cool to see.
• 29:27
  So, you know, there were two rings or lightweights.
• 29:28
  They're everything. Last year it was actually A6 CS
• 29:31
  and eight CS, So pre war cars and I again, I think we had
• 29:35
  eight or ten and that was so cool because those are just cars
• 29:37
  you don't see every day. I got I I was in one and I
• 29:40
  started talking to the owner and I said, well, tell me a little
• 29:42
  bit about the history of this one.
• 29:43
  And and he said, well, this belonged to the war secretary of
• 29:46
  Mussolini, but I have another car that actually belonged to
• 29:49
  Mussolini. I mean, this, these cars are
• 29:51
  just, you know, they're oozing history, right?
• 29:53
  I mean, it's it's, you know, talk about patina.
• 29:55
  But this is like a level beyond. And then, you know, so many of
• 29:58
  them are in that great alpha red, that dark red, you know,
• 30:01
  and what that's called. Well it sounds like Lamont
• 30:03
  brought his tipo bee last year, which was and also had new
• 30:07
  Valari history maybe in. Belgium, right?
• 30:10
  Yes, yes. That's a super.
• 30:12
  I mean, any Grand Prix car like that is unbelievable.
• 30:15
  And then to think about taking a Grand Prix car like that, 1000
• 30:18
  miles in Colorado flat out would be also wild.
• 30:22
  Not just a serious undertaking. Yeah, not just 1000 miles test,
• 30:26
  but I followed him. I don't know if you guys have
• 30:28
  ever heard of the $1,000,000 highway here in Colorado.
• 30:31
  So it is known as one of the most dangerous roads in the
• 30:34
  country. It's a road that wouldn't and
• 30:37
  couldn't be built now, but it started as like a a toll road
• 30:40
  for like Conestoga wagons or something back in the day.
• 30:43
  And it goes from Euray, Colorado to, is it Silverton kind of down
• 30:47
  there by Durango. And it's, I think 34 or 36 miles
• 30:52
  that literally is just on the edge of a, of a basically a
• 30:55
  ledge that's cut out of this mountain.
• 30:57
  And every year people drive off it.
• 30:59
  I mean, there's, there's no shoulder, you know, if you're on
• 31:01
  that, that Cliff side, there's the white line and then that's
• 31:04
  death, right? And, and there are parts where
• 31:06
  the road has fallen away and it's sort of scalloped and it's,
• 31:08
  it's terrifying. I, I stumbled across the road
• 31:11
  accidentally years ago when we moved to Colorado, but I got to
• 31:14
  follow Mott in that car last year as he drove that road and
• 31:18
  it started to rain and sleet. And I'm seeing this car just
• 31:21
  move and I'm just like in a trance, right?
• 31:23
  I mean, it's like, it's just, it was, it was, it was magical.
• 31:27
  It's just absolutely magical. And I should, we should give a
• 31:30
  shout out to our friends at Mercedes-Benz who bring a fleet
• 31:33
  of 6 or 8 AMG cars every year in case you happen to need a car,
• 31:36
  your car breaks down. But I was in an AM GGT, which
• 31:39
  was already pretty cool behind him, giving him proper space and
• 31:42
  all that. But just watching that car move,
• 31:44
  I mean, it was, it was, it transcended sort of the event,
• 31:47
  right? It sort of took you out of of
• 31:48
  where you were in space and time, and it was just, yeah, not
• 31:51
  to get weird on you, but it was really magical.
• 31:52
  It was awesome. It sounds like it was life
• 31:55
  changing, yeah. I'm gonna shut up now and we'll
• 31:57
  move on. But it was a moment.
• 31:59
  I had a moment that day and and no.
• 32:01
  I think that's cool, though. I mean, I, I think that is
• 32:03
  really seriously part of the charm and the magic of the event
• 32:06
  is that you get to see the cars in action.
• 32:09
  Yes. Right.
• 32:10
  You don't. You don't see that anywhere
• 32:12
  unless you go to another country, really.
• 32:16
  Even in California meal I think there were this one pre war car
• 32:19
  on the entire California meal. Really.
• 32:21
  OK, Yeah. Oh wow, not.
• 32:23
  Like 7. Oh yeah, another amazing car you
• 32:26
  just don't see. Yeah.
• 32:27
  Amazing. There were other, you know, some
• 32:29
  number of pre war cars. It was less than 10 probably,
• 32:32
  but yeah, you know, maybe around 10.
• 32:34
  Yeah. Well, to bring this back to your
• 32:36
  original question, there wasn't a feature car this year.
• 32:38
  So that doesn't happen every year.
• 32:41
  I'm sure you know we'll have another feature car next year,
• 32:43
  but. It doesn't seem like you really
• 32:45
  need it. I mean, there's like what, 6
• 32:48
  short wheel bases? There was like 14 or 15300 SL or
• 32:52
  gull wings, right? I mean there's like 2 pretty
• 32:55
  good features right there getting that many.
• 32:57
  Either in one place. Spiders.
• 32:59
  Yes, 2 PDFs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:02
  And that's stuff you just don't see like that Invicta, right?
• 33:06
  You just don't. I didn't know what that was
• 33:08
  until I I started working with with the grand.
• 33:10
  I mean, that's just something you don't see.
• 33:12
  And it's funny that the 300 SLS are sort of like the cheater
• 33:15
  cars, right? Because they're easy to drive.
• 33:17
  They don't break down. There's one this year.
• 33:19
  I mean, they're just they're they're easy and you know,
• 33:21
  you're lucky to see one somewhere and to see, you know,
• 33:24
  14 or whatever. It's just.
• 33:25
  Yeah, it's an unimaginative choice in this context.
• 33:29
  It is which? Is wild, right?
• 33:30
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:32
  But it makes a lot of sense and ensures you're going to get
• 33:35
  where you're going to you were trying to go.
• 33:36
  And it has the cubes, the cubic inches, the performance to be
• 33:40
  genuinely useful because you know, the other choice to ensure
• 33:43
  that you're getting where you're going to try to go is the 356.
• 33:46
  But you know there are. That's why there's a lot of hot
• 33:49
  rod 356 inch because these guys are trying to make horsepower
• 33:52
  from a car that didn't originally have done that.
• 33:54
  And the 300 SL is also the solution to that, which is to
• 33:58
  have something with reasonable performance and, and durability
• 34:02
  and, you know, just it's a good grand car.
• 34:04
  So now I understand the phrase that X is a good grand car and
• 34:08
  what that means versus, you know, what might be a good
• 34:11
  calmile car and then different answers.
• 34:14
  Yes, right now, I'm glad you picked up on that.
• 34:16
  And and sort of at that end, I mean, the Emory Outlaws, the
• 34:20
  356's have sort of become, you know, the cheat code and who was
• 34:23
  there. But Rod Emery Co driving with
• 34:25
  with Tom the chair. And I don't know if you got, you
• 34:28
  know, any time with Rod, but he's a neat guy.
• 34:31
  Hell of a hell of a nice guy. Yeah.
• 34:33
  I mean the way that he's transformed.
• 34:34
  Those cars and the way that the amount of sort of gravitas
• 34:38
  around the the, his name and the cars that he builds has really
• 34:44
  brought those cars to an entirely new level.
• 34:46
  Yeah, yeah, I drove. With him one day.
• 34:49
  So five hours in the car with anyone, you know, is a test,
• 34:52
  right? I mean, it's a long time,
• 34:54
  especially in an old car. And and I was impressed with a
• 34:57
  couple of things. I was in, he was driving, I was
• 34:59
  in one of his customer cars. Not a squeak, not a rattle,
• 35:03
  right? And if you've been in an
• 35:04
  original 356, even a restored 1, you know that that's just not a
• 35:07
  thing. So I don't know what magic he
• 35:09
  does to those cars, but but also five hours and it was, you know,
• 35:13
  it was like 20 minutes. He was a great storyteller.
• 35:15
  He told the whole story about the, you know, how the business
• 35:17
  began. He lost his father in the week
• 35:19
  before the grand and yet delivered Tom's Emory and two
• 35:23
  other customer cars, right? Just a just a neat guy.
• 35:26
  And I I now I want an Emory too, right?
• 35:28
  They're they're just, they're great, right?
• 35:30
  They solve all the problems that a standard 356 might have for
• 35:33
  something. That's how they get you.
• 35:34
  You go on the grand. And ride in one and yeah, this
• 35:37
  is the secret. This is it's.
• 35:40
  It's also interesting to. Provide something that is a
• 35:44
  little bit more modern as an option for the event too, which
• 35:47
  I think is interesting. I mean, I guarantee you that
• 35:51
  there's no other car on the Grand that has like throttle
• 35:54
  bodies and Motech, right? And like just to say that in.
• 35:58
  Correlation to the grand almost seems like abnormal, but it's.
• 36:03
  Kind of a cool way where. You know, one also might not
• 36:07
  know looking from the outside in.
• 36:10
  And I think that's that's the neat part.
• 36:12
  But also it does make it a cheater car but.
• 36:16
  It has to be a certain Emory the the old car texture I think is.
• 36:19
  Substantially preserved with that car.
• 36:22
  I mean, obviously it's more modern in in some respect, but
• 36:25
  you know, if you will care to call that a restoma, There's a
• 36:28
  lot of restoma that take a lot more liberties in terms of
• 36:31
  modernizing a car where you lose the old car character.
• 36:35
  And I don't think those cars are on on that page.
• 36:38
  They still feel like old cars. That's that's it, which we like
• 36:42
  you mentioned there's a level of.
• 36:44
  Level of honesty there, which I think, Yep, they keep.
• 36:47
  Yeah, that's it. You mentioned.
• 36:49
  The name Charlie Nierberg, who's just such a great guy, spent
• 36:51
  some time with him too. When we were running to O'Reilly
• 36:54
  to get some parts for the D type and he was in one of the aisles
• 36:58
  and I just kind of elbowed the woman at the counter and said if
• 37:00
  you only knew the the car that these parts were going, you
• 37:04
  know, but he's got an Emory, He's got an early Emory, but I
• 37:06
  think it's a turbo Emory or something.
• 37:07
  And that car is not allowed because it's it's got the visual
• 37:11
  clues and the horsepower, literally.
• 37:14
  One of everything. Yeah, that.
• 37:17
  Does. I don't think there's like.
• 37:18
  A car he doesn't have that is also just not spectacular at the
• 37:21
  same time. No.
• 37:23
  And just a hell of a nice guy too.
• 37:24
  How about that other comp the the red one with the with The
• 37:26
  White Stripes that you saw it right, It was so good that the a
• 37:32
  short wheelbase or short wheelbase.
• 37:33
  I don't know what the stripes. Were some sort of race livery,
• 37:35
  You know, I think it was a comp car, yeah.
• 37:38
  Yeah, it had an art sticker. On it, right?
• 37:39
  Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
• 37:42
  So there's probably an alloy. Comp car.
• 37:44
  I don't know the history of that car.
• 37:45
  Kind of had a presence though. You know, it was it was
• 37:48
  palpable. So what else, what else can we
• 37:51
  geek out on that just blew your minds?
• 37:52
  The Maseratis? Yeah, I think the the
• 37:55
  McAllister. You brought it up, the
• 37:56
  McAllister Testarossa is pretty spectacular.
• 37:59
  I mean, that's like the the Testarossa is, I think that the
• 38:02
  250 GTO gets kind of a lot of credit for the pathway that the
• 38:07
  Testarossa laid. I mean those cars from 57
• 38:13
  whatever to 61 were virtually unbeatable, right?
• 38:17
  And his particular car, what 1 Sebring, I think it went to
• 38:22
  Lamont. Maybe it was successful. 1
• 38:24
  Nurburgring with all great drivers.
• 38:27
  I mean, I think Von Newman sat in that car.
• 38:29
  Phil Hill probably sat in that car.
• 38:30
  There's, you know, champions that drove that thing, right?
• 38:34
  And I think the the special part about that car being at that
• 38:36
  event is it's highly original, highly preserved.
• 38:41
  The paint is chipping off of it in multiple locations, right,
• 38:44
  Kind of throughout. But it's really true.
• 38:47
  Honest. Yeah.
• 38:48
  It's just like it last raced, right, as an old race car and
• 38:53
  they've serviced it and it runs great.
• 38:55
  But it's how it was back in the 50s.
• 38:59
  Well, I think that sort of speaks to what?
• 39:01
  You two were saying as far as your experience on the grand and
• 39:03
  what spoke to you and and I think, you know, Ryan and I talk
• 39:07
  about this all the time too. It's like we're here because we
• 39:09
  love, we love cars, but we love driving.
• 39:12
  And so getting to see these cars being driven and enjoyed, and
• 39:16
  especially a car like that where you can literally see how it's
• 39:19
  been enjoyed and what that impact was on the car itself.
• 39:23
  Like I think that really strikes a chord for all of us because
• 39:27
  we're like, yes, it's being used for what it was designed to do
• 39:29
  and people are enjoying it. Yeah.
• 39:31
  I mean, those cars are so. So spectacular to drive any any
• 39:36
  Testarossa that is well sorted is such a such a phenomenal car.
• 39:42
  The feedback it gives you, the power it has.
• 39:45
  I mean, it's just I don't know if there's a more entertaining
• 39:50
  car from that period, which is why they were so successful too,
• 39:53
  but certainly a super special thing totally in a very.
• 39:59
  Valuable car. It's a, it's a high 2 digit
• 40:03
  millions number. And you know, for those of you
• 40:06
  listening who are afraid to take your Porsche out in the rain
• 40:08
  because it might melt, just know that the driver of this car took
• 40:11
  that thing through some pretty serious weather.
• 40:15
  It's an open car. You know, it's got a bunch of
• 40:18
  wires down in the in the footway.
• 40:21
  The paint's flaking off. To your point, it's worth a hell
• 40:24
  of a lot of money. And yet he was out there
• 40:26
  thrashing it in in the weather. I mean, it was just yeah, that's
• 40:30
  awesome. Well, the flip side also.
• 40:32
  Is that if it's worth that much, it's almost impossible to total.
• 40:35
  Yeah, that's true. That's sort of freaking right.
• 40:40
  Yes, that, no matter what. It's cosmetic condition is or
• 40:43
  anything that you know happens to it's sort of complete
• 40:45
  destruction. It's it's value is not going to
• 40:48
  really be effective. I also don't think I would ever.
• 40:51
  Want to paint that car again? Though I think that's part of it
• 40:53
  and if you heard it, you're going to have to it it's.
• 40:57
  It's got it's got this amazing sort of dramatic style numbering
• 41:01
  on it and it's just, you know, that it's obviously hand painted
• 41:04
  and it's just it's just again, just oozes, you know, patina and
• 41:09
  history and all that. But you've driven these cars
• 41:11
  jazz. Yeah, I was going to drive a.
• 41:15
  Testarossa at Velocity last year, which ended up being
• 41:19
  cancelled, but I did shake the car down a little bit.
• 41:23
  And my father and I have a 750 Monza, which is 2 years, two or
• 41:28
  three years earlier than that car, which is a 4 cylinder
• 41:31
  Ferrari similar to the TRC that was on the event with us as well
• 41:35
  a little earlier. Scalietti body design, bigger 3
• 41:40
  liter instead of two liter to the TRC.
• 41:44
  So yeah, I certainly have a lot of experience in the the
• 41:48
  Ferraris, maybe not as much in the Bentleys.
• 41:52
  And I understand your dad. Patrick is, is really one of the
• 41:55
  world's foremost 12 cylinder Colombo Ferrari engine guys.
• 42:00
  Is that right? Yeah, we've certainly done a
• 42:02
  lot. Of both Lampretti and Colombo
• 42:06
  engines at our shop. I think I've become a little bit
• 42:10
  more Lampretti biased, OK, because I've certainly built a
• 42:13
  lot more Lampretti and rebuilt a lot more Lampretti engines in
• 42:17
  recency, OK. But yeah, we've done a lot of
• 42:20
  both. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:22
  What is it about those? Engines that you prefer a
• 42:25
  Lampretti versus a Columbo? Yeah, because I don't know much.
• 42:28
  About, yeah, I think. They're just, they're, they're
• 42:33
  complex. There's a lot of things that you
• 42:36
  have to get right. The the four 10s, right, the the
• 42:38
  2 four 10s, They're massive, nearly 5 liter huge, huge V12
• 42:44
  engine, right? There's a lot of things that you
• 42:46
  have to get right with those engines in order for them to
• 42:49
  work. They have screw in liners into
• 42:52
  the cylinder heads, so there's no head gasket.
• 42:55
  The reason they came up with I am pretty designed was to
• 42:58
  eliminate the head gasket because it is difficult to get a
• 43:01
  head gasket that could last some of these endurance races like
• 43:05
  the original Amelia or Le Mans 24 hours of events as such.
• 43:10
  So they came up with the Lampreidi design, that Lampreidi
• 43:14
  came up with, the Lampreidi design that functioned really
• 43:17
  well. But getting those engines to
• 43:20
  work well today is also yet another challenge.
• 43:23
  Yeah. What are those cars like to
• 43:25
  drive? I mean, because even, you know,
• 43:27
  in their day they were different, I think than
• 43:30
  everything else, right? I mean, they just they just
• 43:32
  magic. I mean, there must be a lot of
• 43:34
  work, but what what is it like to to wheel one of those?
• 43:39
  I think it kind of depends on the.
• 43:40
  Car. I think there was such
• 43:43
  differences in cars. Like I think that my Monza is
• 43:49
  such a such a fabulous car to drive, but it has independent
• 43:52
  front suspension and then it has a transaxle and a DDO rear end.
• 43:56
  And I think it was technologically very advanced.
• 43:59
  It's super torquey, only Revs to 6000 RPM, but you have a lot of
• 44:03
  torque at the bottom. But the car is, you know, very
• 44:06
  well balanced, works really well, slides around a corner
• 44:09
  really well. And meanwhile, like a couple
• 44:12
  years earlier, they're making 220 fives and two twelves that
• 44:16
  are transfers front lease spring.
• 44:19
  And you know, luckily there was none of those on the event.
• 44:21
  So I can say that they drive like a truck, right?
• 44:24
  And you know, I think. You know, it just kind of
• 44:30
  depends on What Car. That you're, you're Speaking of.
• 44:33
  Yeah. Yeah, just most of us will.
• 44:35
  Never have the you know the chance, right?
• 44:36
  So you know, all we can do is ask people like you states of
• 44:39
  tune and and stuff like. That the early Ferraris are
• 44:42
  basically a big number soup. I mean, they made all these
• 44:45
  different cars and they all have different numbers and they would
• 44:48
  sometimes give the same number to two cars that were extremely
• 44:51
  different. And so the the the type of car
• 44:56
  that it is, you know, it's open sports car.
• 44:59
  The car like Taz is describing or like a Testarossa was
• 45:01
  basically the equivalent of like a Lamont prototype in nowadays.
• 45:06
  And then the cars like GTO or SWB or TDF are more like GT3
• 45:10
  cars, which is to say 1 is like a clean sheet dedicated sports
• 45:14
  car thing that was specifically designed to win outright at
• 45:18
  endurance races and and non endurance races.
• 45:21
  And another car is sort of vaguely St. derived.
• 45:23
  And so it's less exotic and less like sort of out there
• 45:26
  technologically, but maybe more useful and well-rounded and like
• 45:30
  a more suitable car to use for on the street.
• 45:33
  And that's why it's all the more remarkable to see these very
• 45:37
  focused sports cars like Testarossas or TRCS or D types
• 45:41
  and C types, you know, any of these cars that don't even have
• 45:44
  weather equipment or roofs or windshields big enough for
• 45:47
  wipers. And to see these guys out there
• 45:48
  in the in all kinds of weather all day long in these things.
• 45:53
  And you know, these guys are obviously very wealthy in that
• 45:55
  that they choose to be so uncomfortable and are OK with
• 45:59
  it. You know, it's the opposite of
• 46:00
  this sort of fragile wealthy people that you know, would
• 46:03
  never do anything for themselves.
• 46:04
  These are all together, they're sportsmen basically.
• 46:07
  And you have all this tremendous respect for what it took to to
• 46:11
  get these cars to do this in period.
• 46:13
  And, and it's very much a sort of you feel like you've done
• 46:16
  something afterwards. Yeah, he mentioned the people
• 46:21
  too. I mean, that's kind of the whole
• 46:22
  other side of this, the conversations that you have
• 46:25
  during the grand and the people, you don't always know who you're
• 46:27
  talking to. Then you find out later someone
• 46:29
  elbows you and say, hey, you know what that was you're
• 46:31
  talking to. But some fascinating people with
• 46:33
  some fascinating stories and and paths to where they are.
• 46:38
  You know, I, I, I think there were a few, a few folks that
• 46:40
  flew in on, on their own jets, of course, you know, but, but
• 46:46
  super nice people, just a, a great crowd.
• 46:49
  But I think that's one of the best parts is just at the end of
• 46:51
  the day, hanging out and having that drink or over dinner or
• 46:54
  whatever and just swapping stories.
• 46:56
  It's, it's a very special, very special thing.
• 46:59
  So glad you guys could be a part of it for sure.
• 47:01
  And, and definitely hope to, to, to have you back.
• 47:04
  Maybe we should pivot a little bit to your business, OTS and Co
• 47:10
  in Berkeley, CA, because as you mentioned, you helped Dan find
• 47:13
  his car and I know you checked it out and all that before he
• 47:16
  took delivery as well. And it's been a great car for
• 47:18
  him. I checked out your inventory
• 47:20
  because you're a brokerage, right?
• 47:22
  But you're also kind of like a, a car matchmaker, right?
• 47:24
  You do a little bit of everything you say Sherpa on the
• 47:27
  website, which I like because I, I think that's sort of sums it
• 47:29
  up, right? I want to steal that from you,
• 47:32
  but so tell us if you would just a bit about the business and
• 47:35
  what you specialize in. Sure, Taz and I think
• 47:38
  approached. From different, where we arrived
• 47:40
  here from different locations, I had more history in selling
• 47:43
  these cars. And you know, Taz has been
• 47:45
  working on them since he was a child and around them his entire
• 47:50
  life. And so I came from the space of
• 47:53
  interacting with transactions and, and doing a fair bit of
• 47:56
  that over the decades. I guess it's been over 20 years
• 47:59
  now that I have been around these cars in a professional
• 48:02
  sense and worked all those years for other people and finally
• 48:07
  decided it was time to, to do something of my own and work for
• 48:11
  myself. I think a lot of that's a
• 48:12
  similar story among anyone who's really, I think substantial in
• 48:16
  this, this business now is that they, you know, work for other
• 48:19
  people. Eventually they figure out what
• 48:21
  to do and what not to do from other people and set out on
• 48:25
  their own if they, you know, have the network and the desire
• 48:29
  and the interest and the enthusiasm to do all that.
• 48:32
  So that we started the business together because we wanted to
• 48:37
  work for ourselves and participate in transacting these
• 48:39
  cars and have the networks to do so.
• 48:41
  You know, Taz obviously knows all the big Ferrari guys and
• 48:44
  also from the racing world, lots of you know, useful racing
• 48:48
  contacts as well. And you know, I'm I've have
• 48:52
  dealt with almost everything that is, you know, in terms of
• 48:56
  European sports cars and some non sporting cars too, because
• 49:00
  I've worked for dealers that transacted those types of cars.
• 49:03
  So we decided to, to set out on our own and, and sort of
• 49:10
  transact cars in a way that is based on knowledge and
• 49:14
  experience and expertise and passion.
• 49:16
  You know, a lot of people are about the, the transaction or
• 49:20
  some of they like the action or the chase.
• 49:22
  You know, the deal making is almost incidental.
• 49:25
  For me at least, it's really the chance to interact with these
• 49:28
  cars and the people who own them and sort of share my enthusiasm
• 49:32
  and, and knowledge. So we try to know what we're
• 49:34
  talking about in depth as much as we can.
• 49:37
  And then when we find people who know more than us and we learn
• 49:39
  as much as we can from them. But it's all about it's for me,
• 49:42
  it's, it's I really like learning about these cars.
• 49:44
  And it's almost like an excuse to turn all that nerdy
• 49:47
  enthusiasm that I had about learning as much as I could
• 49:49
  about these cars into some kind of sort of way that allows me to
• 49:54
  eat. Yeah.
• 49:57
  Yeah, yeah. Well, so a few people, you know,
• 50:00
  get to do what they're passionate about, right.
• 50:02
  I mean, there are a lot of people that are just wasting
• 50:03
  away in offices, you know, as we speak and you know, so I'd love
• 50:07
  that you 2 have followed your passion.
• 50:08
  Yeah. I mean, I think we'll kind.
• 50:10
  Of do anything that's interesting effectively, but
• 50:12
  obviously Ferrari is we're strong at because of Tazza's
• 50:16
  network. But yeah, yeah, Curry market's
• 50:18
  not in the best health right now, so we're happy to do other
• 50:21
  stuff too. But you know, OK, I would say I
• 50:23
  don't know what some of our highlights launch of Stratos was
• 50:26
  a big one for me at that. And I.
• 50:29
  Was really glad Taz got to drive one because it's one of the most
• 50:33
  exciting cars I've ever driven and the motor and transaxle are
• 50:36
  very familiar to Taz 'cause he's worked on so many 246's and so
• 50:40
  that has certainly been one of the major highlights for me of
• 50:43
  the cars we've done. We've done an F40, which is
• 50:46
  obviously really exciting. Plenty of Rs, Porsche's in 73
• 50:49
  and 964 and 993 and you know, some more modern stuff too.
• 50:54
  Yeah, it's been, it's been fun for me because.
• 50:56
  It's been an outlet to be able to try some some pretty
• 51:02
  spectacular different cars that aren't Ferraris.
• 51:05
  One of the one of the cars that I was extremely impressed by was
• 51:10
  we had a track day and Aquera GT came out.
• 51:14
  There's an F40 there, there's an F50 there and there's Aquera GT.
• 51:18
  And I'd experienced the F40 and F50 before, but the career GT
• 51:21
  was a new experience and I was able to spend 5 laps or so
• 51:26
  really tracking the career GT and it was such an unbelievably
• 51:31
  epic car. It it felt like a real race car
• 51:35
  on track, except it was, you know, had a nice steering wheel
• 51:38
  and I don't know if there were a cup holder or not, but there was
• 51:40
  leather around and it was such a fantastic thing.
• 51:44
  I mean, I think it would be my only car solution, and coming
• 51:48
  from a Ferrari background that seems like something that I
• 51:51
  shouldn't. Say.
• 51:53
  But it was, you know, probably, it's probably up there in one of
• 51:55
  my top five cars just for how spectacular it was on on the
• 51:58
  racetrack. Yeah, that's so.
• 52:01
  I got to drive one for my my first one a couple months ago.
• 52:05
  Thanks, Brian Rudin, who was on the on the grand as well.
• 52:08
  And of course, all I could think about was that clutch, right?
• 52:11
  And you know, you go over and over in your head, you know, you
• 52:14
  know, just let the clutch out, no gas and all that.
• 52:16
  And then you immediately forget about it at the first stop play,
• 52:18
  right, Because I wasn't on the track.
• 52:20
  I was just on the road. But I, you know, I had really
• 52:23
  the same experience in that. I just thought it was epic.
• 52:25
  I mean, it's it's been a dream car, poster car for me since it
• 52:28
  was new, way out of my reach. But I was glad I got to
• 52:31
  experience one because they truly are special.
• 52:33
  And I think that's the story, right?
• 52:35
  It was supposed to be a race car and then they decided to, you
• 52:37
  know, for whatever reason to to sell it as a Street car.
• 52:40
  It didn't qualify. The the series was cancelled or
• 52:42
  something. I don't remember.
• 52:45
  Yeah, the engine certainly was intended.
• 52:47
  To for to go racing and then they sort of picked up the
• 52:50
  pieces not unlike the the MVM one.
• 52:54
  Yeah, Right on. This is a new story.
• 52:56
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:57
  We like the we like the stories of the cars.
• 53:00
  And obviously the experience is a really important part of the
• 53:03
  appeal also. But it's always nice to get to
• 53:06
  meet these cars that were heroes.
• 53:08
  Not always nice. That's not true.
• 53:09
  Sometimes roundly disappointing. Meet a car that was hero car and
• 53:15
  then to learn, you know, but in some sense it's a relief because
• 53:18
  you can cross it off your list of things that you'll never be
• 53:21
  able to afford but thought you wanted and now you don't.
• 53:24
  So that's cool. So you can't leave us hanging.
• 53:26
  You got to. You got to tell us what at least
• 53:27
  one of those cars was. For me, yeah.
• 53:33
  So Taz, I guess you should be thinking about someone of the
• 53:35
  most disappointing cars you've ever driven.
• 53:37
  I think a lot of disappointment has to do with the delta between
• 53:40
  expectation and reality. And I guess if I had to put
• 53:43
  something on that list, it would be Porsche 959.
• 53:47
  Really. Yeah, it.
• 53:50
  The, the, the, and when you think about it like if you do a
• 53:53
  little bit of analysis on it, it makes sense.
• 53:55
  But it's, it's turbocharged and it's 4 wheel drive and it's very
• 53:59
  high tech and it's sort of, it's very interesting to drive that
• 54:01
  car back-to-back with say an F40 because the F40 is such this
• 54:05
  sort of raw elemental pared down thing.
• 54:07
  There's no carpets and the dashboard looks like it's
• 54:09
  basically made out of Velcro. I mean, I think it's probably
• 54:12
  Perlon or something like that. It's just this very elemental
• 54:15
  pared down car that is rear wheel drive with no, you know,
• 54:19
  ABS or power steering or any of that junk.
• 54:22
  It's just like car, you know, and, and you and, and motor.
• 54:27
  And the 9:59 is exactly the opposite approach.
• 54:29
  You know, it's really refined and there's leather everywhere
• 54:31
  and it's incredibly high tech and sophisticated and it's meant
• 54:34
  to make it incredibly easy and sort of effortless to go fast.
• 54:39
  And it does exactly that, which, you know, makes it maybe good
• 54:42
  for commuting, but as a tool for entertainment, it's actually
• 54:45
  kind of lacking. And I should have known that.
• 54:48
  You know, you look at the numbers and you realize, wow,
• 54:50
  that's a very high performance car.
• 54:51
  It's got to be exciting. And then you drive it, you know,
• 54:53
  like it's so easy and effortless to go this fast that you're kind
• 54:57
  of like it's, it's, it's a little almost like driving a,
• 55:01
  you know, like driving a modern Porsche turbo.
• 55:02
  I would say the exact same thing about which formula would be
• 55:05
  very similar twin turbocharged, you know, well, now they're not
• 55:08
  even manual anymore and four wheel drive.
• 55:11
  And it's just really, really good at going fast.
• 55:14
  But just because it's good at going fast, I mean, it's fun or
• 55:16
  interesting or entertaining. And so I, you know, have these
• 55:19
  high expectations as this exotic that's so sophisticated and
• 55:23
  forbidden fruit and all that stuff.
• 55:25
  And you know, 11 days out of 10, I will choose an F40 over a
• 55:29
  nine. I would choose an I would choose
• 55:31
  a a Carrera 2 with like $12,000 of modification.
• 55:37
  Yeah, right. So this is obviously this is me.
• 55:41
  Carmudgeoning but yeah probably about something but that was
• 55:46
  probably one of the more disappointing hero cars which
• 55:48
  was fine I so now I don't need to own one the F40 the.
• 55:52
  F40 though, really is one of the greats, isn't it?
• 55:56
  Yeah. That's that's the one.
• 55:58
  That's the one. Are you guys into any new stuff
• 56:01
  like you know Porsche GT like F40 is pretty?
• 56:04
  Contemporary, isn't it? Yeah, I guess in the scheme.
• 56:07
  Of things you know, compared to some of the cars I want to build
• 56:10
  1 pretty motors, yes. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:14
  New cars Contemporary. Live No, you quite like the I
• 56:18
  mean, there's some. Things that you do like you were
• 56:22
  surprised by the Scuderia that had the manual swap.
• 56:27
  We had 360 Town St., LA. Yeah, but this is still a A20
• 56:31
  plus year old car. Sure, sure.
• 56:33
  I mean, yeah, you still plug your computer into it.
• 56:37
  I think like that justifies the newness, that's the match and it
• 56:41
  has functioning. Air conditioning and there's a
• 56:43
  button on the the key that unlocks the.
• 56:45
  Door. Also, so it's pretty modern I I
• 56:49
  personally there's. There's certainly new Porsches
• 56:52
  and Ferraris. I like.
• 56:53
  I mean, I think a 296 is such a spectacular car.
• 56:56
  Driven one of those around Buttonwillow and I thought that
• 57:00
  that car was absolutely stellar. A992GT3 car feels like a race
• 57:08
  car on street tires even it still just brakes.
• 57:10
  Axe responds like a race car on track.
• 57:13
  I don't have a lot of St. Time in those cars so I can't
• 57:15
  really speak to their like everyday life on a racetrack
• 57:19
  they're. Really spectacular.
• 57:20
  And certainly that's half the battle with me sometimes.
• 57:25
  Yeah, the problem with those. Cars on the street is that.
• 57:27
  They are so, so capable that you will never be able to explore
• 57:31
  that capability on the street. And to me, that is such a
• 57:35
  disappointment because I really like exploring the envelope and
• 57:39
  those cars. The envelope is so large that
• 57:42
  you never get the chance to to visit the car's capability
• 57:45
  unless you're on track. And for me, that will always
• 57:47
  make our Yeah, it will always make it a a bang and not a
• 57:51
  merry. And that's why I love old cars.
• 57:56
  Is that our show title? I'm just.
• 57:57
  Saying, yeah, no, that's a good answer.
• 58:01
  That's a good. I can't even blame it on
• 58:03
  drinking anything I'm drinking. Water.
• 58:05
  What do you guys daily drive? I'm just curious.
• 58:06
  Is it something older or it's just something utilitarian?
• 58:09
  Or go ahead, Daz. I have a BMW1. 28 right on that.
• 58:14
  I like yeah, it's a happy little car.
• 58:17
  And then I have a 250, a Ford F-250 Transit van.
• 58:21
  Oh sure, it makes sense. Also double S.
• 58:23
  The daily sometimes. OK.
• 58:25
  Yeah, that's a really. Unique 2 car solution.
• 58:27
  I love it. Yeah.
• 58:28
  Yeah. I mean, you can live.
• 58:29
  In the you. Can live in the van, you can fit
• 58:31
  a go Kart in the back of it. It's very happy.
• 58:34
  I was going to say you could. Almost you could.
• 58:36
  Sort of jokingly say you could fit the BMW in the back of the
• 58:39
  van, which is, yeah, you almost could.
• 58:41
  Yeah, yeah. And what about you, Derek?
• 58:45
  Well. So that's supposed to be an easy
• 58:50
  question, right? It's clearly not in the car
• 58:52
  world, I think. I think just you're.
• 58:54
  You're most commonly on bike because you're coming across the
• 58:58
  branch. Oh, right on.
• 58:59
  OK. I have a a pretty gnarly.
• 59:01
  Commute in terms of traffic, it's 15 miles if that, but it's
• 59:07
  a lot of traffic if you do it wrong.
• 59:08
  It could be an hour if you do in a car, if you do it at the wrong
• 59:11
  time. So I ride Ducatis and then for
• 59:16
  cars I don't know, I I have a 264,000 mile 1995 Mercedes E320
• 59:23
  station wagon, which is kind of functioning as a daily.
• 59:27
  And then I have a a 9/11 SC that's kind of hot bottoms that
• 59:30
  is also acting kind of as a semi daily when I'm not on the bike.
• 59:35
  I don't know, all cars kind of cycle through daily use.
• 59:37
  That's yeah. I mean, as they should, right?
• 59:40
  Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the. 1-2 fours, I just think those are
• 59:43
  peak Mercedes. I mean, those are the cars that
• 59:45
  don't get me started. I will go on.
• 59:47
  For hours I've had. You know a.
• 59:50
  Dozen of them, at least. They're so good.
• 59:52
  You know, I, I. Drove one recently for the first
• 59:54
  time in years, and I was reminded why they're so good.
• 59:56
  I mean, they're, yeah, it's all the stuff built like a bank
• 59:58
  vault and all that, but glass everywhere, right?
• 1:00:01
  The ride is incredible, The power is good, They're torquey,
• 1:00:04
  right? For what they are, they're just
• 1:00:06
  fantastic, fantastic cars. I mean, they're just in my eyes.
• 1:00:10
  Peak, peak Mercedes, right. I mean, I wasn't around for the
• 1:00:12
  gold wings and you know, all the old stuff, I mean, and the stuff
• 1:00:16
  that I grew up with, I mean they're just great.
• 1:00:17
  They've held up so well yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:00:21
  I. When we started, we started this
• 1:00:23
  business not even two years ago with a $10,000 loan.
• 1:00:26
  I mean, we were very poorly capitalized at the beginning and
• 1:00:30
  we were, you know, agreed not to take any pay for the first year
• 1:00:32
  so that we could fix that problem.
• 1:00:34
  And when we needed a company car, you know, the, the correct
• 1:00:37
  solution for this is probably to buy an F-350 diesel or
• 1:00:39
  something. Sure, sure.
• 1:00:41
  Transport parts and have a tow tow vehicle and all that stuff.
• 1:00:44
  I found on Craigslist a $6000 Mercedes station wagon that, you
• 1:00:48
  know, we put the livery on it. That looks like the rescue
• 1:00:52
  service when you call for roadside assistance.
• 1:00:54
  I've seen that. I didn't know that was.
• 1:00:56
  Yours. That's fantastic.
• 1:00:57
  So that was. Our solution for 6000, so cool
• 1:01:00
  for a company car. So I made-up everybody in the
• 1:01:04
  company now has to have lots of 124 time because of me.
• 1:01:08
  Nice, nice. That's really funny.
• 1:01:10
  They're so good. Well, so you.
• 1:01:11
  Mentioned we were talking before we started recording and you
• 1:01:14
  guys have a company rally coming up.
• 1:01:16
  Can you talk about that? I think it's a pretty fun story,
• 1:01:21
  Yeah, so. I plan for my friends just like
• 1:01:25
  a small rally of 10 cars and then you get to go on great
• 1:01:27
  roads and you don't have to worry about a hotel that can
• 1:01:29
  accommodate 100 people or actually it's I guess small 200
• 1:01:33
  people, 100 cars. And so I California has these
• 1:01:36
  incredible tight back roads that the Calmile uses sometimes, but
• 1:01:40
  you know, sometimes they can't get into the places that we get
• 1:01:42
  into with our small group wise. So I do this with my friends all
• 1:01:45
  the time and the company, you know, as a as a group of us,
• 1:01:48
  we've never done one of these. And I said, well, we have to do
• 1:01:50
  all this. Every everyone has to come and
• 1:01:51
  needs to be team building. It'll be a business expense and
• 1:01:54
  everyone has to go out through a rally.
• 1:01:56
  And then somehow I was this Utah as that that introduced the the
• 1:02:01
  challenge aspect to it. Yeah, I mean I.
• 1:02:04
  Think like my. Inner competitive spirit of
• 1:02:08
  making everything like a little bit mini competition right?
• 1:02:12
  I think they need to be like a good rule set.
• 1:02:15
  So I, I thought that all cars should be no more than $2000
• 1:02:21
  with with the exception of like safety and or OEM swappable
• 1:02:26
  parts to get the thing running if you need to do so within
• 1:02:30
  reason. So I mean, obviously you can't
• 1:02:33
  buy something modern that needs, you know, $25,000 worth of motor
• 1:02:38
  swap and stuff like that, but. If you find a 2. $1000 car that
• 1:02:40
  you can get stuff at O'reilly's or so on and so forth and make
• 1:02:45
  it a runner. That should be certainly part of
• 1:02:48
  it. And you were driving.
• 1:02:50
  It before we got on the air and I was, yeah, I was late to.
• 1:02:55
  Get on the air because I was trying to I.
• 1:02:59
  So I got this car and Derek says that he knows what it is, but I,
• 1:03:05
  he doesn't really know what it is.
• 1:03:08
  It could be a, he knows that it has a certain type of motor
• 1:03:13
  because that was discovered, but it could be like a Nash
• 1:03:17
  Metropolitan. You don't know what it is.
• 1:03:19
  That would be something. Right, I was a bit of watch this
• 1:03:22
  space next week in. The event, actually, yeah.
• 1:03:27
  But so. I found my car on Facebook
• 1:03:30
  marketplace. I spend most of my nights doing
• 1:03:33
  this not to have the satisfaction of my fiance, but I
• 1:03:39
  have a huge saved library of $2000 ship boxes and this one
• 1:03:46
  supposedly needed a clutch slave.
• 1:03:49
  So it's like great. So I went out, looked at it.
• 1:03:52
  The clutch was already off of it.
• 1:03:53
  They said that they had the thing running a couple years
• 1:03:55
  ago. I thought great, you know, I'll,
• 1:03:57
  I'll bring this home trailer it over and then put it up.
• 1:04:00
  I got under it. I pushed the release fork in and
• 1:04:04
  there was certainly nothing there.
• 1:04:05
  Just went to its extremity, which meant that there was
• 1:04:07
  either no release bearing and or clutch in the thing.
• 1:04:12
  So I couldn't bring it to the shop because they would see it.
• 1:04:15
  So I've done all this in my garage, which I'm still doing.
• 1:04:19
  And so a guy that's staying with me helped me pull the motor out
• 1:04:25
  in the garage. And then we realized that there
• 1:04:27
  was no second gear. So I found two free gearboxes
• 1:04:30
  and made like 1 gearbox out of three and it's back in the car.
• 1:04:33
  And it finally went its first mile maybe in 15 or 20 years
• 1:04:38
  today to the gas station where I got momentarily stuck and then
• 1:04:42
  late to be on here. So it runs on gas.
• 1:04:45
  Yeah, it's OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:47
  So what we know is it's a British 1275 motor.
• 1:04:52
  OK, motor out. I had it.
• 1:04:53
  OK, OK. Interesting.
• 1:04:55
  We started a dry. We started a dry.
• 1:04:57
  Ice Business. And I brought the motor over to
• 1:05:00
  get dry iced because I'm doing more work than this car probably
• 1:05:03
  needs or deserves but I've been excited about.
• 1:05:05
  It and Derek. Snuck in on the motor while I
• 1:05:08
  was getting to OK OK all. Right.
• 1:05:11
  Well, we will check back. Yeah, are is.
• 1:05:14
  Everyone else's chariot Also a secret.
• 1:05:17
  Like, are you all showing up? And like, it's a surprise for
• 1:05:20
  everyone. I I know what?
• 1:05:23
  Derek has, but I have never seen it.
• 1:05:26
  OK. So we're all.
• 1:05:28
  Our third. Business partner has not yet
• 1:05:31
  bought a car, so that's a secret.
• 1:05:33
  Is that right? That's a.
• 1:05:34
  Secret to literally everyone. Yes, it's a secret from himself.
• 1:05:38
  As well, Right? Well, especially our intern.
• 1:05:40
  Turned employee who's also coming on the rally I learned
• 1:05:45
  has a secret for us that he's got yet another car that we
• 1:05:47
  don't know about. So there's still some secrecy.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah. Working in the wrong place,
• 1:05:52
  yeah. He was going to bring some
• 1:05:53
  Miata, but he. Thought that was inappropriate
• 1:05:55
  for whatever not the answer. Something, yet again, fantastic.
• 1:06:00
  Can we follow? These adventures on Instagram or
• 1:06:03
  what? I'll probably post it, yeah.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, no, I will definitely post it.
• 1:06:08
  We'll, we'll, I suppose, Cher, mine is not a secret really,
• 1:06:12
  because I've, I've had it already, which is cheating.
• 1:06:14
  But it's a $1300 salvage title Mercedes C280 that we turned
• 1:06:20
  into a rally car. OK.
• 1:06:22
  And so it's lifted. You can't tell what colour it is
• 1:06:25
  because it's got so much card on it, which is actually the was
• 1:06:29
  the colour of mud before we put mud on it anyway, was the 70s
• 1:06:33
  right? Or No2.
• 1:06:35
  You said C280. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a late
• 1:06:38
  90s. Late 90s, OK, well, that's even.
• 1:06:40
  More interesting. Wow, wow.
• 1:06:42
  I would argue it's less interesting, but.
• 1:06:44
  The rally car and the fact that it's lifted and got well, yeah,
• 1:06:47
  I've never seen one. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:06:51
  Well, we're at an hour. I think that's probably a show.
• 1:06:53
  But Speaking of Instagram and social media, where do we find
• 1:06:57
  you guys? Where do we find your shop?
• 1:06:58
  Yep. So our shop.
• 1:07:00
  Is OTS and Co and that is, you know, Otis and Tam Scott OTS.
• 1:07:07
  So that's pretty polished and then our personal Instagram mine
• 1:07:12
  is D Tam Scott and Taz. You are T Otis racing.
• 1:07:16
  That's it. Right on right.
• 1:07:18
  On perfectly. You can follow our.
• 1:07:20
  Adventure misadventures on there.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah, you're both good. Followers and really appreciate
• 1:07:25
  having you guys on because I know how busy you are and I just
• 1:07:28
  got back from the grand. You got a million things going
• 1:07:30
  on and this was very short notice, but really just wanted
• 1:07:33
  to share, you know, the spirit of the grand with the people
• 1:07:35
  listening and and it's a very special thing to me and it
• 1:07:39
  sounds like it was a special thing to both of you as well.
• 1:07:41
  And and we hope to to have you back soon.
• 1:07:44
  Love to have you back on the show sometime too.
• 1:07:47
  Thank you for that. It was a.
• 1:07:47
  Pleasure to be here and the the grand was pretty transcendent.
• 1:07:51
  I mean, I'm hooked. I will continue to go back as
• 1:07:53
  long as I have a vehicle and I'm allowed.
• 1:07:55
  Awesome. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:07:58
  Thank you. I feel the same exact.
• 1:07:59
  Way well, Tatya Otis. And and Derek Tam Scott, thank
• 1:08:03
  you so much for being on that car show have connected us and
• 1:08:07
  remember, always be driving.