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#2123 Creepy Smart Glasses - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Okay, it tell him it's it's Harps and Patrick. We
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Speaker 1: are Sands, Tiff, You and I am just going to
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Speaker 1: have to see how we go. Just us too, dummies, mate, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll be fine.
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Speaker 2: You know. Testosterone's pumping.
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Speaker 1: Did you go get some? I'm glad you got some.
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Speaker 1: Where'd you get it? Did you get it on the
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Speaker 1: black market or did you see the doc?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: Do we have to go there already? No? I reckon.
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Speaker 1: I actually think your testosterone levels would be probably above
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Speaker 1: average for your age because of your health, your healthy lifestyle,
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Speaker 1: et cetera.
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Speaker 2: Does that make a big difference, does it?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Of course? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you
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Speaker 1: if you beat your body up, you know, drink lots
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Speaker 1: of booze, eat shit, don't exercise, you know, like literally
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Speaker 1: lifting weights or in your case, doing tai chi or
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Speaker 1: other kind of strength based stuff as well, increases testosterone production,
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Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, being sedentary apart from the fact
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Speaker 1: that it declines as men age and women as well,
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Speaker 1: because women have testosterone and small amounts. But yes, so, oh,
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent, like lifting weights increases test production and
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah and all of that. But there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, it's a lot of things going on
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Speaker 1: in that kind of endocrime space around male and female
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Speaker 1: hormones and therapy. And it's for very a very long
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Speaker 1: time talking about and I've spoken about too much on
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Speaker 1: this show, but anything linked to testosterone and men is
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Speaker 1: essentially associated with the drug cheating scandals of the eighties
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Speaker 1: and nineties and everyone, like people don't understand that that
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Speaker 1: testosterone does not equal steroids, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: And there's clinical applications we're talking about health and just
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Speaker 1: like there are for ester own and estrogen for women.
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Speaker 1: But enough of that boring conversation. Do you still have
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Speaker 1: morning Wood? Patrick? That's that's my question. Do you still
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Speaker 1: periodically have that? This is a consult now everyone, you're welcome.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm damned if I do, if I
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Speaker 2: damned if I don't. By answering that question.
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Speaker 1: Well, do you know what's funny is like literally, but
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Speaker 1: literally a doctor will ask you whether or not like
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Speaker 1: I listen, have you heard of a speaking of tech?
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Speaker 1: Have you heard of a guy called Brian Johnson? No,
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Speaker 1: this is true, Okay, now I haven't come. So here's
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Speaker 1: like this dude who spends two million dollars a.
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Speaker 2: Year on reversing a Sorry, yes, of course I have.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So one of the things that he talks about,
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Speaker 1: and it's not haha, giggle, giggle. You know, schoolboy smut
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Speaker 1: is like like with men, and this sounds funny, but
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Speaker 1: one of the indicators of health is literally how many
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Speaker 1: times and for how long a night men have an erection.
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Speaker 1: And so in young, healthy males sometimes that happens somewhere
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Speaker 1: around two to three hours a night, and it's not
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Speaker 1: because they're sexually aroused, it's just what's happening in their body.
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Speaker 1: And so this is an indicator of and yes, it
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Speaker 1: sounds funny, but it's got to do with blood flow
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Speaker 1: and testosterone production and cell health and all of these things.
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Speaker 1: Whereas yeah, like guys who are fifty or sixty who
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Speaker 1: can still do that or who still get you know,
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Speaker 1: without too much trouble, they can get an erection. Sorry everyone,
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Speaker 1: it's clinical. Yeah, it's a real indicator of health. And obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know, every second dude in Australia, if not more
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Speaker 1: past a certain age have a rectal dysfunction, which it's
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Speaker 1: all haha, who you know what it actually correlates really
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Speaker 1: strongly with overall well being. Just like when women's estrogen
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Speaker 1: and progesterone levels drop, it equates to, among other things,
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Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause. And so there are these physiological consequences
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the endocrime scale. But because we're
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Speaker 1: so fucking stupid in our society at times where we
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Speaker 1: just all, you know, but if we snigger at it
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Speaker 1: or we think it's controversial. But if your hormones aren't working,
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Speaker 1: including thyroid function and a bunch of other things, you're fucked.
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Speaker 1: So that's why women go on HRT, and that's why
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Speaker 1: we try to get the endocrime system working well, because
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Speaker 1: if that's working well, you're literally winding back the clock biologically.
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Speaker 2: At least now you eloquently pointed out or asked if
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Speaker 2: I had morning, would which was really lovely way of
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Speaker 2: putting it. Thanks, thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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Speaker 2: What I think I might do for the next two
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Speaker 2: weeks before our next is I'll keep a diary for you,
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Speaker 2: Craig yep, yep, yep. I'll make take note. I can't
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Speaker 2: say that I do.
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Speaker 1: You know what for for our seven male listeners that
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Speaker 1: we have because I don't know why, but women love you.
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Speaker 1: So many women I love Patrick. I'm like, you know,
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Speaker 1: he likes I love him.
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Speaker 2: I like too, but just not in that way.
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Speaker 1: That's probably why they like you. They feel safe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you can, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, yes, go on.
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Speaker 2: I want to keep onto this topic because I had
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Speaker 2: a very interesting little.
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Speaker 1: Careful Yeah, I'm worried now. I want to keep on
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Speaker 1: the topic of erections because I had an interesting yet
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Speaker 1: go on.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So, over the age of fifty, males should get
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Speaker 2: PSA tests done, which is a prostate specific atogen. And so,
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Speaker 2: as you know, my twin brother had prostate cancer and
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Speaker 2: is now going through that journey. In a big concern
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Speaker 2: for me as well, obviously, because it increases the risk.
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Speaker 2: If you're under the age of sixty, your siblings have
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Speaker 2: a higher risk of prostate cancer. And so I've been
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Speaker 2: tracking my PSAs and I did blood tests just recently
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Speaker 2: because I like to get on your blood tests, particularly
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Speaker 2: with my eating patterns and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And what I've been researching, and this doesn't get told
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Speaker 2: very often, is that And again I'm trying to put
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Speaker 2: this delicately, but if you act on that morning wood.
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Speaker 1: Do you hang a towel on it or something and
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Speaker 1: then stroll through the house.
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Speaker 2: That's the right, Yeah, because you've got to fall suddenly.
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Speaker 2: That can influence your pay levels levels within six hours,
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Speaker 2: but up to twenty four to forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Why are you doing this as you're he's holding out
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Speaker 1: his hands like you know when you caught a fish. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: go on, so say that again about the six hours
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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with your hands?
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Speaker 2: No, no, just PSA L I'm not going to sit
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Speaker 2: on my hands now, so I don't move there.
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Speaker 1: That looks worse, Yeah, go worse.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, evidently this in reading, you know, doing research into
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Speaker 2: two PSA levels because I'm obviously monitoring mine very closely.
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Speaker 2: What can influence your PSAs is if you've if you've
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Speaker 2: had yeah, you know you've jacked op lated, thank you,
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Speaker 2: weed off, ejaculated right within six hours, but up to
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Speaker 2: twenty four to forty eight hours. So I went monk
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Speaker 2: for the last week before I had my blood test,
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Speaker 2: and my PINS dropped by about ten percent.
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Speaker 1: It dropped. So you're saying jacking off increases your PSA.
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Speaker 2: Well, if it's just before you go for a blood test, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: evidently because I got a GP friend of mine yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We walk every week. I've got a few grints.
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Speaker 1: Hang on, So what's the message? What's the And by
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Speaker 1: the way, remember everyone, this is not this is the
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Speaker 1: opposite of advice, So don't take any notice of what
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Speaker 1: Patrick's jacking off regime really or any kind of medical
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Speaker 1: conclusions he draws from that. Now you've hit up the computer, Well,
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Speaker 1: how I don't trust you.
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Speaker 2: The effect of ejaculation on serum prostate specific antigen level
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Speaker 2: This is an article written in twenty thirteen from the
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Speaker 2: National Institute of Health. So evidently it's it's known that
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Speaker 2: that can impact your PSA levels, but.
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Speaker 1: You haven't read out the rest. What's it say? The impact?
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Speaker 2: Okay, ejaculation contemporarily temporarily increase serum prostate specific andigen's PSA levels,
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Speaker 2: typically by five to ten percent, with the particlar bike
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Speaker 2: lasting up to forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Right, Well there you go. Yeah, so boys, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: that's a tricky one, isn't it. You do a cost
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Speaker 1: benefit analysis, You're like, how long is it elevated? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And what are we talking about? Now? Hey, well, you
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Speaker 1: keep on keeping on. Thanks for eating a fourteen day
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Speaker 1: would diary. We'll call it the E MW Early Morning
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Speaker 1: Wood Diary.
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Speaker 2: So Jake the PEG. What about you?
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Speaker 1: Hey, I've had an direction since the eighties for you.
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Speaker 2: I don't all right now there you're embarrassed?
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Speaker 1: Is it hot in here? Is it hot in here?
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Speaker 1: Stop it? Yeah? Well, well, I'll also keep a diary
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Speaker 1: we compare. No, we won't everyone that's disgusting and for
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Speaker 1: the one listener that remains, For the one listener, what
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Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Why are you still here? Oh? God?
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Speaker 1: Do you know? We do this every time where we
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Speaker 1: talk about ship that's so unrelated, nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: what we're meant to be talking about. And then there's
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Speaker 1: this awkward, fucking segue. Let's talk about technology.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, let's talk about porn, men, because there
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Speaker 2: is a segment there is something that I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about and relate to porn, because if you happen
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Speaker 2: to be.
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Speaker 1: I feel much better with that segue.
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Speaker 2: Well, because if you wake up okay anywhere?
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's talk about porn. Do we
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Speaker 1: need to?
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Speaker 2: But all right, well, no, it's just in relation to
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Speaker 2: the government oversight and the fact that the Australian government
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Speaker 2: is now limiting access to social media for children under
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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen. They're also rolling out systems to
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Speaker 2: be able to verify age with a lot of the
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Speaker 2: major porn sites as well. That raises concerns and about
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Speaker 2: the oversight of how they're going to verify that you
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Speaker 2: are over a certain age. So, you know, for adults
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Speaker 2: wanting to access porn in Australia, now you will have
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Speaker 2: to prove your.
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Speaker 1: Age, right, yeah, okay, And how do you do that?
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Speaker 2: Well, there's number of different ways that can do it.
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Speaker 2: One will be literally using a scanner on your phone,
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Speaker 2: like the camera on your phone, to just take a
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Speaker 2: photograph of yourself and then it will use an algorithm
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Speaker 2: to to gauge whether or not you're old enough.
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Speaker 1: That seems like then you're giving an image of yourself
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Speaker 1: to the fucking Internet, not that you know. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how porn works, but allegedly I don't. Yeah, let's
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Speaker 1: stop now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the only segue I could think of
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Speaker 2: in relation to our conversation, Craig, Can we talk about
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Speaker 2: something else?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck please? Please? Let's talk about another bloody app
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Speaker 1: from Patrick nearby Glasses. What does nearby Glasses by the way,
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Speaker 1: everyone Patrick sends me a list of talking points, we
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Speaker 1: generally don't get halfway through it. But tell me about
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Speaker 1: your bloody app.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's lots of concerns at the moment with all
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Speaker 2: these smart glasses that are out and Meta, the company
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Speaker 2: that owns Facebook has teamed up with a few glasses
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Speaker 2: manufacturers and what you've got AI glasses that have cameras
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Speaker 2: in them. You can record, you can take photos, but
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Speaker 2: the eyeglasses can also see the world around them. And
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Speaker 2: we were chatting earlier about how you and how I
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Speaker 2: went to a concert in Melbourne this week and I
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Speaker 2: was with a blind friend of mine who has you know,
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Speaker 2: who has some smart glasses, and we were just talking
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Speaker 2: about how useful they are for him to use those
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Speaker 2: to be able to describe what is visually in front
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Speaker 2: of him. So his wife bought them for him. Although
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Speaker 2: he's really good with a cane and he's got a
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Speaker 2: seeing eye dog, but he's been playing around with the
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Speaker 2: new smart glasses. But there are privacy concerns about somebody
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Speaker 2: walking around with cameras that are constantly recording or taking
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Speaker 2: in the scenery around them. So this guy came out
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Speaker 2: with an app called Nearby Glasses, and I tested it
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Speaker 2: and I downloaded it onto my phone. It's really cool
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Speaker 2: because when people use smart glasses, the glasses are basically
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Speaker 2: connecting to your phone and that's how they're getting the
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Speaker 2: information and how they're able to do all the amazing
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Speaker 2: things that they're doing. But evidently there's a certain frequency
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Speaker 2: range and without going into the technicals, effectively, this app
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Speaker 2: will let you know if someone in your vicinity is
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Speaker 2: dark glasses. Yeah, and potentially sporting. Yeah. I thought it
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Speaker 2: was really good.
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Speaker 1: So now that is a good idea, Like, I think
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Speaker 1: that's a good that's a great like. Yeah. And also
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Speaker 1: I think I don't know why this jumped to mine,
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Speaker 1: but I yes, I do. I was talking to one
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Speaker 1: of the ladies who works at the gym i' go
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Speaker 1: to and they were just talking about, you know, creeping
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Speaker 1: creepster dudes who come into the gym and do you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, And it's like they're just it's
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Speaker 1: clear that, you know, the twenty percent of their reason
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Speaker 1: to be there as for training and eighty percent is
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Speaker 1: for other things. So like the idea of girls being
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Speaker 1: I don't really care so much. I don't want it,
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Speaker 1: but it's not an issue. But yeah, like dudes being
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Speaker 1: able to film women and stuff just by putting on glasses,
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Speaker 1: that capacity should not be legal, like to be able
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Speaker 1: to just imagine you wearing those in the gym and
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Speaker 1: they're just filming everyone in the gym and then they
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Speaker 1: go home and download that and that's creepy as fuck.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a real interesting one. As I said,
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Speaker 2: my blind friend has been using them, and you can
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Speaker 2: imagine for someone who's vision impaired, if you've got cameras
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Speaker 2: and smart glasses that are constantly looking at the world
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Speaker 2: around you, you could effectively go to the gym and
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Speaker 2: look at what the weights are that you've set, You
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Speaker 2: could describe the area. You could make enable people a
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Speaker 2: lot more by using this technology. But of course it's
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Speaker 2: like anything. It means that you know this. We're constantly
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Speaker 2: being surveiled, and the question is where is that data going,
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Speaker 2: who's monitoring it? And another concern is that meta at
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Speaker 2: the company that makes a lot of the software and
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Speaker 2: is powering the these smart glasses, they have oversight and
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Speaker 2: they use humans for oversights, so AI is looking at
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Speaker 2: what you're seeing, but they take snippets of the recordings
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Speaker 2: and they use humans to be able to cross check
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Speaker 2: and match with AI to help make AI more accurate.
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Speaker 2: But these outsourced workers are now saying that they're capturing
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Speaker 2: people going to the toilet, having sex, looking at passwords
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Speaker 2: on their computer when they're typing stuff up. So the
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Speaker 2: problem is if you start wearing these and they're there
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Speaker 2: and they're part of your life all the time, everything
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Speaker 2: you see, potentially they see. And that's why I thought
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Speaker 2: this app is really good. It's a free app, and
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Speaker 2: what I liked about it as well is it's been
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Speaker 2: it's a guy who's kind of a Swiss psycho sociologist
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Speaker 2: and he's a hobbyist coder, so's he's a bit of
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Speaker 2: a nerd, and he invented the app. But what's really
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Speaker 2: interesting is anytime you're wearing these smart glasses, they basically
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Speaker 2: the app listens for a Bluetooth signal, and the Bluetooth
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Speaker 2: signal basically has these data packets that fly forward and
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Speaker 2: back to tell other devices what they are and what
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Speaker 2: they're doing. So the way, so your phone knows to
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Speaker 2: connect to the smart glasses because of the signal between them,
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Speaker 2: and that's what this app is looking for because I've
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Speaker 2: got a VR headset, and my VR headset uses the
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Speaker 2: same sort of data packets. So as soon as I
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Speaker 2: turned the VR headset on, my phone pinged to tell
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Speaker 2: me that there was a recordable device or a smart
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Speaker 2: device that was being used within my vicinity, so I
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Speaker 2: could see that people would probably have them in the gym.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a free app. It's great.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was fantastic. I wonder what you'd do
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Speaker 1: with that, though. Let's say you've got it on and
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Speaker 1: you're in the gym and at pings. What do you
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Speaker 1: do then? Do you go up to the person that
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Speaker 1: you because there might be ten people in the gym
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Speaker 1: with glasses on? Do you go up to the person
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Speaker 1: that you suspect and go e? Or do you just
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Speaker 1: avoid that? Like? It's good, Like I think it's a
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Speaker 1: great idea. And my question is and then what.
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Speaker 2: Well, then you be you're more conscious of what you
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Speaker 2: say and do and how you present yourself, because the
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Speaker 2: thing is, if you're at a public place, for example, it's.
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Speaker 1: No hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on? Why
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Speaker 1: the fuck do I need to be more conscious of
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Speaker 1: what I say and do and how I present myself?
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Speaker 1: Because some fucking idiots wearing PERV glasses. I shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: to adapt. They should fuck off, like you're no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: But if you're hang on, hang on, I know you're
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Speaker 1: a chatty kathy. Let me have a go, right, Like
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Speaker 1: if I have to change because some blokes wearing glasses,
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Speaker 1: that's not right, Like they shouldn't control the dynamics of
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Speaker 1: that space. They shouldn't be allowed to wear those. If
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Speaker 1: it has the capacity to record people who haven't consented
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Speaker 1: to that, that I don't think that should be legal.
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Speaker 1: And because that is what's happening, because they're recording people
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Speaker 1: who have not consented to it, Like, how is that okay?
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Speaker 2: It's not okay, And that's my point. And gyms need
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Speaker 2: to have hard policies. So basically what you should be
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Speaker 2: doing is going to the person who owns the gym
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Speaker 2: and saying, well, maybe our policy should be anybody who
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Speaker 2: is accessing the gym is not allowed to use any
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Speaker 2: sort of recording device, and that you do. So I
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Speaker 2: think it's incumbent on the venue to start to enforce that,
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Speaker 2: because the thing is you don't want it to become
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Speaker 2: the Spanish inquisition either. Imagine if you suddenly, you know,
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Speaker 2: muscled up to some bloke and you find out, well,
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Speaker 2: actually he's blind and he needs them, or they just
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Speaker 2: have verything.
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be evident. I don't think
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Speaker 1: anyone's that fucking stupid you think. And I just say,
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Speaker 1: my friend Tony Doherty of Doughty's Gyms, the world famous
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Speaker 1: Doughty Gyms, he he doesn't let people take because what's
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Speaker 1: probably not in the land, but in a lot of
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Speaker 1: gyms in Melbourne, people are constantly filming, constantly videoing and
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Speaker 1: even taking in many of them tripods, So they're setting
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Speaker 1: up try oh like a fucking studio. They're setting up
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Speaker 1: iPods and filming themselves, but obviously they're capturing everyone who's
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Speaker 1: in behind them, and he's just he's just he's like,
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Speaker 1: fucks them off and he either kicks them out or
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Speaker 1: he just tells them they can't do it. So there's
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Speaker 1: no I don't know if there's Yeah, I think I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure there's no videoing in his gyms at all.
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Speaker 1: So who won't be putting up with these glasses? Is
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Speaker 1: a big time good.
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Speaker 2: On your tone? Yeah, the one thing that is the reality, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: not unfortunately, but in Australia, if you are in a
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Speaker 2: public space, if you're walking down the street, if you're
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Speaker 2: at a local festival, it legal too. You can take
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Speaker 2: photographs of total strangers. It's creepy. I'm not saying that
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Speaker 2: it's a good thing, but there is no law to
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Speaker 2: say that you can't be filming or taking photos or
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Speaker 2: recording video space. But when you're in a venue where
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Speaker 2: there's a membership and you can control that, that's again
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Speaker 2: where I'd be pushing for the owners of the gyms,
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Speaker 2: and that's what i'd be doing. I'd be approaching and saying,
20:04
Speaker 2: you know, all the gym attendant and say, I'm not
20:06
Speaker 2: feeling comfortable as someone around here who's wearing the smart glasses.
20:09
Speaker 2: I wouldn't challenge someone directly. I would get one of
20:12
Speaker 2: the attendants or the owners to challenge them. Yeah, good
20:16
Speaker 2: luck with that.
20:18
Speaker 1: Have you been in a gym lately? I want to
20:22
Speaker 1: do two. So the next one I want to do
20:26
Speaker 1: is which we've spoken about the potential impact of AI
20:30
Speaker 1: on a lot of industries. I don't want to go
20:32
Speaker 1: into AI much today other than this one, but I
20:35
Speaker 1: find it interesting. So the third one on your list,
20:37
Speaker 1: so AI generated film at Trotfest twenty twenty six, which
20:41
Speaker 1: is a kind of a film festival, sparks filmmaker backlash.
20:47
Speaker 1: I mean, the inevitability of AI films with no actual
20:52
Speaker 1: actors is a foregone conclusion. I don't know what the
20:56
Speaker 1: timeline is. It's probably Oh, I think it has already happened.
20:59
Speaker 2: Tell us about So trop Fest is pretty exciting because
21:02
Speaker 2: the festival, it's an Australian festival that's launched some amazing
21:05
Speaker 2: careers because it's been around for a long time, but
21:09
Speaker 2: COVID kind of pulled the pin on it, so it
21:11
Speaker 2: hasn't been around for six years. So they have trop
21:13
Speaker 2: Fest this year and one of the finalists was a
21:16
Speaker 2: film called Sid Confidential. I watched it before the show.
21:19
Speaker 2: I just thought, I figured I'll have a bit of
21:21
Speaker 2: a watch to see what I think of it. It
21:23
Speaker 2: was one of those kind of detective noir kind of
21:27
Speaker 2: semi cartoon three D cartoons, so oh yeah, it was
21:30
Speaker 2: an ark and stormy night and I was yeah, yeah,
21:34
Speaker 2: guys over there, look I watched it.
21:38
Speaker 1: It was Can I just say that's why you and
21:40
Speaker 1: I are not actors?
21:42
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it was very terrible. It was moderately entertaining. Visually,
21:49
Speaker 2: I kept seeing AI glitches, like at one point the
21:53
Speaker 2: guy goes to jump on a tram and it says
21:55
Speaker 2: Sydney on the tram at the front of the tram,
21:58
Speaker 2: and then the frame flips and it says this garbled
22:01
Speaker 2: junk or whatever. So there's little and it's fun to watch,
22:05
Speaker 2: even to look for all the mistakes. It was. It
22:08
Speaker 2: was entertaining. But I think the big argument from all
22:10
Speaker 2: the filmmakers who spend hundreds and hundreds of hours mapping
22:15
Speaker 2: out stories and then filming and editing and doing all
22:18
Speaker 2: the work they do because trop Fest is very high standard,
22:21
Speaker 2: and I think that's where people have, you know, things
22:24
Speaker 2: have come unstuck. There should be a separate category for AI,
22:26
Speaker 2: and that's the way you get around it.
22:28
Speaker 1: So category can I ask, So does it it looks
22:31
Speaker 1: more cartoonish than real right.
22:33
Speaker 2: Well in this instance because that was the style that
22:35
Speaker 2: they were going for. I mean, you can go for
22:37
Speaker 2: super ultra realistic, and you know, we've seen examples I
22:42
Speaker 2: guess all over the internet with the likes of famous actors,
22:46
Speaker 2: and you know, it's been phenomenal. The quality is unbelievably good.
22:50
Speaker 2: But in this case, they've gone from a kind of
22:52
Speaker 2: three dimensional cartoon representation. It was kind of fun. It
22:56
Speaker 2: was a bit of a homage to to trop Fest
22:59
Speaker 2: itself off. If you watch it, it only goes from
23:01
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes or so. So well, it was an
23:04
Speaker 2: interesting watch. But I certainly wouldn't have shortlisted it because
23:08
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit of a and a lot
23:09
Speaker 2: of the you know, of all the seven hundred entriest
23:13
Speaker 2: of all, why would you choose an AI over the
23:17
Speaker 2: human made and sweat it over. I'm not to say
23:20
Speaker 2: that the person who produced it didn't actually put some
23:22
Speaker 2: effort into it, but as the majority of it was AI,
23:26
Speaker 2: then you've got to ask yourself, you know, what's the standard.
23:29
Speaker 2: We want to make sure that we keep that separate
23:31
Speaker 2: from everyday average people who want to try to launch
23:34
Speaker 2: a career or who're passionate about their hobby.
23:37
Speaker 1: Do you have Netflix? You probably don't or do you? Yeah?
23:40
Speaker 2: I just don't watch it. I keep thinking I should
23:42
Speaker 2: just cancel my membership.
23:44
Speaker 1: Before you do. There's a little like I never you know,
23:47
Speaker 1: those short films that day like you're just talking about,
23:49
Speaker 1: but that like this thing came up the other day.
23:51
Speaker 1: I went to bed and I normally go, I'm going
23:55
Speaker 1: to watch whatever, and then seven minutes later, I'm a
23:57
Speaker 1: sleeper by cup at two and what's that and Robots? No,
24:02
Speaker 1: it's called The Singers. Okay, the Singers and it goes
24:07
Speaker 1: for I think eighteen minutes and it's not on Netflix,
24:11
Speaker 1: and I'd like you to watch it and then message
24:13
Speaker 1: me and any of our listeners too. I watched it
24:17
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I kind of loved it and hated it,
24:21
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's very different. Don't look it up now?
24:26
Speaker 2: No, No, I was actually looking up Love Death and Robots,
24:29
Speaker 2: which is something I think you should watch. So I'll
24:31
Speaker 2: watch The Singers and you watch Okay, how.
24:35
Speaker 1: Long does Love Death and Robots go? For?
24:37
Speaker 2: The little clips? They're all little mini video clips, different things.
24:42
Speaker 2: Where do I get that Netflix as well?
24:44
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now I want to jump ship and
24:47
Speaker 1: talk about something that's more in my lane your car
24:51
Speaker 1: not really? Yeah, well, but you know what's interesting is
24:55
Speaker 1: by D, which I'm sure most of our listeners know
24:57
Speaker 1: by now as a Chinese brand, and it's so funny
25:00
Speaker 1: the psychology and the kind of the I guess, the
25:03
Speaker 1: feeling attitude that people have about Chinese cars are shifting
25:09
Speaker 1: because you know, there was a point in time when
25:11
Speaker 1: the Chinese cars in Australia were very agricultural and very
25:15
Speaker 1: low quality. But that is definitely not the case. And
25:17
Speaker 1: I'm not endorsing or supporting. I'm just saying, what is
25:20
Speaker 1: a few my cars? A few my cars, few my
25:22
Speaker 1: friends have got Chinese cars, and some of them are
25:26
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. But anyway, anyway, b y D has just
25:31
Speaker 1: produced the world's longest range EV with a monster six
25:36
Speaker 1: hundred and forty four miles, which is given or take
25:38
Speaker 1: a thousand case between charges.
25:42
Speaker 2: One.
25:42
Speaker 1: That's a that's a game changer.
25:44
Speaker 2: That's massive because it is has been a big factor
25:48
Speaker 2: in Australia. Range anxiety is a big thing for a
25:51
Speaker 2: lot of people, and if you particularly live in a
25:53
Speaker 2: rural area. I know when I bought my car that
25:57
Speaker 2: I did the hybrid version, but the battery powered the
26:01
Speaker 2: EV version was only two kilometers and to me, living
26:06
Speaker 2: an hour from Melbourne, I thought a two hundred ks
26:08
Speaker 2: is not a lot. So you know, a thousand kilometers, Wow,
26:12
Speaker 2: that's that's amazing. You know you're driving.
26:16
Speaker 1: That's definitely a game changer. So it'll be interesting to
26:18
Speaker 1: see how that goes.
26:20
Speaker 2: It's called the Z nine GT if anybody's interested, because
26:24
Speaker 2: they have I didn't realize this, but by D has
26:26
Speaker 2: a luxury brand as well, called Denza, So it's this brand. Yah,
26:30
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. It's like Lexus and Toyota, isn't it?
26:34
Speaker 1: Yes, so exactly, and hid I have one what's it
26:40
Speaker 1: called Genesis? Yeah? They have Genesis, which is where's now?
26:47
Speaker 1: I've now, I've lost all your notes. There we are
26:49
Speaker 1: now I'm back. But will your next car be an EV?
26:55
Speaker 2: Probably will be. I would think I have solar power,
26:59
Speaker 2: and I all think that if I could use my
27:01
Speaker 2: soul that to charge the car during the day, all
27:03
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But I think I haven't got
27:06
Speaker 2: soular batteries. I haven't got batteries rather for my solar
27:09
Speaker 2: system yet. And I know there's a government initiative at
27:11
Speaker 2: the moment. But there are a small number of EV
27:15
Speaker 2: cars that can be used in reverse to power the
27:19
Speaker 2: house if the power goes out. So I think the
27:22
Speaker 2: Nissan Leaf is one of those. So I can't remember
27:26
Speaker 2: the technical term, but basically you plug it in, but
27:29
Speaker 2: if the power drops, it acts as a battery. Because
27:32
Speaker 2: the cars, the batteries in cars are a lot more
27:34
Speaker 2: powerful than the batteries that people get to power their
27:37
Speaker 2: houses for the most part.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a huge demand on those batteries propelling
27:44
Speaker 1: a two ton vehicle out one hundred kilometers an hour
27:47
Speaker 1: for extended periods of time on a highway. What does
27:51
Speaker 1: fake content of occupation is not educational? What does that mean?
27:56
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Fake content of occupational? Yeah,
28:02
Speaker 1: what is that?
28:03
Speaker 2: So? Yeah, the occupation of Are you familiar with the
28:08
Speaker 2: little island of Guernsey off Yes? Yeah, okay, so it's
28:12
Speaker 2: kind of closer to I think it's closer to France
28:14
Speaker 2: than it is to the UK. But it's the furthest
28:17
Speaker 2: most you know, island of the group of UK islands.
28:23
Speaker 2: And it wasated by so it was German. It was
28:25
Speaker 2: occupied by German troops in nineteen forty or so. And
28:31
Speaker 2: what's been happening is a lot of people have been
28:34
Speaker 2: uploading photos of the occupation but they're ai generated, right.
28:41
Speaker 2: Historian has come out and said, you know, because people
28:44
Speaker 2: are trying to get clicks, so they're looking to make
28:47
Speaker 2: you know, sensationalist photos or they're animating photos. So you've
28:50
Speaker 2: got a still image of troops and then you animate
28:53
Speaker 2: it and that's the soldiers walking down the street. But
28:56
Speaker 2: it's not historically accurate. And that's this is a real
28:58
Speaker 2: concern because there's this professor of it's actually an interesting title,
29:03
Speaker 2: Professor of Conflict Archaeology and Holocaust Heritage at the University
29:09
Speaker 2: of Cambridge. His name is doctor Gillie Carr, and he
29:12
Speaker 2: says this has really become troubling because the occupation in
29:16
Speaker 2: particular is the one that he highlighted, and he said,
29:18
Speaker 2: there's lots of AI generated images and they're being shared
29:22
Speaker 2: on social media all the time because there's been a
29:25
Speaker 2: real resurgence in interest in the World War and what
29:30
Speaker 2: happened there. And he's saying, well, the problem is none
29:33
Speaker 2: of us is actually accurate. It's not scientifically, it's not
29:37
Speaker 2: historically accurate. And this is the concern and this is
29:40
Speaker 2: going to be you know, a worrisome for us moving forward,
29:45
Speaker 2: whether you're flicking through your reels on YouTube or Instagram
29:50
Speaker 2: and what's real and what isn't real And.
29:54
Speaker 1: That's already happening, like because a lot of my shit
29:57
Speaker 1: is research based where it's just because a lot of
29:59
Speaker 1: my fear his nutrition and training and science. And then
30:04
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, groundbreaking research reveals and it's like from
30:08
Speaker 1: science blah blah, and it's it looks one hundred percent
30:12
Speaker 1: legit and it's complete fiction. Like it's just it's it's
30:18
Speaker 1: a total fiction created to get clicks and numbers. And
30:23
Speaker 1: then you I saw Jordan Peterson, who we all know
30:27
Speaker 1: who he is anyway, he said that there was some
30:30
Speaker 1: quote from him. There's a picture of him in a
30:32
Speaker 1: chair on a stage making some profound fucking thing. I'm like, what,
30:36
Speaker 1: And I chucked it into Claude or chat Jo, but
30:41
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this legit? And they're like, nah, he
30:43
Speaker 1: never said that. That's not true. That's a complete fabrication.
30:46
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's the thing. You don't you don't know,
30:50
Speaker 1: and you also, I think you have to. Like I
30:54
Speaker 1: put up a post before on Insta and it's like
30:58
Speaker 1: there's a sentence that's you know when people go are
31:01
Speaker 1: the best way to get in shape is? And I wrote,
31:04
Speaker 1: so I put that as a standaline sentence in quotation marks,
31:07
Speaker 1: and I wrote after that, whatever comes next is bullshit,
31:10
Speaker 1: because there is no best way for all these different
31:15
Speaker 1: bodies and people with different backgrounds and genetics and ages
31:19
Speaker 1: and injuries and medical challenges, and you know, there's no
31:24
Speaker 1: best program but people all the time. Again, this is
31:27
Speaker 1: the best way to do this. No, it's not because
31:29
Speaker 1: you go the best way for who, the best way
31:32
Speaker 1: for Patrick or Craig or my mum or the thirty
31:35
Speaker 1: year old elite athlete or Yeah. So I think I
31:40
Speaker 1: think it's getting worse and worse, and I think it's
31:42
Speaker 1: going to be well with some stuff anyway, and that
31:46
Speaker 1: you know that instagramy, Facebook y, you know, when stuff's
31:50
Speaker 1: getting pumped out, which is allegedly some information source. I
31:54
Speaker 1: think most of it isn't. I think most of it
31:56
Speaker 1: is now somewhere between somewhat accurate and complete bullshit.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think more than fifty one percent of all
32:03
Speaker 2: content now being generated on the internet video still the
32:07
Speaker 2: whole lot, Yeah, AI generated, which is a frightening thought.
32:12
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a useful tool, but it also
32:15
Speaker 2: means I worry about election time. You know what happened.
32:18
Speaker 2: That's election time, by the way. Not going back to
32:21
Speaker 2: our first topic.
32:23
Speaker 1: When we have a state that's with an E, not
32:26
Speaker 1: an L, not an R. Yeah, when we have.
32:29
Speaker 2: A state or federal election. How do we know that
32:33
Speaker 2: the video we're seeing isn't propaganda that's been generated by AI.
32:37
Speaker 2: We know that that's been influence heavily influenced in previous
32:40
Speaker 2: elections in other countries. Yes, as you say, you can
32:44
Speaker 2: fake it so well now. And if you're in one
32:48
Speaker 2: of those blinker visions where your algorithm is pulling up
32:52
Speaker 2: far left, far right, middle middle, but someone's going for
32:56
Speaker 2: clicks and they're looking for propaganda, it's getting really difficult
33:01
Speaker 2: to know what's right and what's not right. And we're
33:06
Speaker 2: all being challenged to try to work out, you know,
33:09
Speaker 2: whether we jump one way or the other. And I
33:12
Speaker 2: don't know is there going to be a pushback. I
33:14
Speaker 2: mean it's certainly with a lot of younger people. I
33:16
Speaker 2: see people wearing headphones with cables on them. Now they're
33:19
Speaker 2: not wearing you know, yeah, yeah bones.
33:22
Speaker 1: I bought some the other day because yeah, I'm like,
33:26
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And I also think another thing, Mate,
33:29
Speaker 1: is just the gap between what is happening in well,
33:34
Speaker 1: let's stay in this space, but in AI and social
33:38
Speaker 1: media and the stuff that's being because everything on social
33:42
Speaker 1: media is with one objective or a couple, but the
33:45
Speaker 1: immediate objective is to get your attention and keep your
33:48
Speaker 1: attention for as long as possible. And then I think
33:51
Speaker 1: the gap between people's actual understanding of what's going on
33:56
Speaker 1: and what's actually going on, you know, this awareness around
34:00
Speaker 1: like every time I look at something, unless it's literally
34:04
Speaker 1: a you know, I see something that you put up
34:06
Speaker 1: on social media, well, I go, well, that's him, and
34:08
Speaker 1: that's Brits and that's the fucking that's his morning, you know,
34:11
Speaker 1: I know, but most things, I'm like, I don't know
34:13
Speaker 1: if this is true, even if it looks true, and
34:16
Speaker 1: I think trying to understand. I think I spoke to
34:20
Speaker 1: Melissa earlier and I said, when I'm finished my current study,
34:24
Speaker 1: even though I don't really I'm not excited about it,
34:27
Speaker 1: but I feel like I need to do a little
34:29
Speaker 1: bit of a Craig version of a deep dive into AI,
34:33
Speaker 1: just so that I can start to speak the language.
34:37
Speaker 1: You know, there ain't too many sixty year olds that
34:39
Speaker 1: are all over AI and understandably, or fifty or forty
34:42
Speaker 1: year olds for that matter. But I don't want to
34:44
Speaker 1: get to the point where I don't understand what the
34:45
Speaker 1: fuck's going on, and so I want to become not
34:48
Speaker 1: because I want to become a coder or write this
34:51
Speaker 1: or that or you know, but I just want to
34:54
Speaker 1: understand what is possible, what is happening, what is real?
34:57
Speaker 1: What is bullshit? Of course, how do I take advantage
35:01
Speaker 1: of in an intelligent way? How do I take advantage
35:06
Speaker 1: of what's possible and available for my business and for
35:11
Speaker 1: my career? And like, you can go the super long way,
35:15
Speaker 1: or you can get the same outcome like I can.
35:18
Speaker 1: I can literally get AI to check my entire paper
35:21
Speaker 1: that I wrote that took a year and a half.
35:23
Speaker 1: It can check it. I'm not talking about rewrite it
35:26
Speaker 1: or change it. I'm just find any mistakes in three
35:29
Speaker 1: minutes that would take me half a day of sitting
35:32
Speaker 1: and reading. Why wouldn't you do that? Like find the mistakes,
35:35
Speaker 1: find them grammatical? Is there too much repetition? What does
35:38
Speaker 1: it flow? You know? And that's not using AI to
35:43
Speaker 1: you know, obviously all my workers self generated because I
35:47
Speaker 1: ran independent studies and collected all the data. But for
35:50
Speaker 1: things like that, and even I mean, I know this
35:52
Speaker 1: is a very low level use based on what's actually possible. Now,
35:56
Speaker 1: but the idea that I'm not going to inter or
36:00
Speaker 1: interact with AI as some people like fuck AI. I'm like, yeah,
36:05
Speaker 1: good luck with that. You're not. It's going to be
36:07
Speaker 1: in your life whether or not you want it, So
36:09
Speaker 1: you might need to get a little bit kind of
36:12
Speaker 1: you know, aware, and what's the word being able to
36:18
Speaker 1: speak the language somewhat?
36:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think understanding the lingo is really important. But
36:23
Speaker 2: at what point do we deep dive to the point
36:25
Speaker 2: where you know, I don't know exactly how my phone works,
36:29
Speaker 2: but I use it every day, and you know, there's
36:33
Speaker 2: only so many things you can do. But I think
36:34
Speaker 2: from a safety perspective, or at least from a you know,
36:37
Speaker 2: keeping yourself informed, knowing more about AI is really important.
36:40
Speaker 2: I did a little interesting exercise the other day with
36:44
Speaker 2: che chpt I just I threw a lot of my
36:46
Speaker 2: financial information in there about how much money I had,
36:50
Speaker 2: what my superannuation was currently at, you know, what my
36:53
Speaker 2: cash flow was, and I had a really interesting conversation,
36:56
Speaker 2: you know, theoretical of when could I retire, how much
37:00
Speaker 2: what I need? But it was pulling in data from
37:04
Speaker 2: the Australian government website looking at pensions what you could
37:07
Speaker 2: do to supplement that if you were self funded retiree.
37:10
Speaker 2: It was really interesting because it was drawing all the
37:13
Speaker 2: sources from the internet that were government related, so the
37:16
Speaker 2: information really seemed quite accurate. You know, you could do
37:20
Speaker 2: this and then you could supplement your pension by doing this,
37:22
Speaker 2: and if you have this much, it was phenomenal. You know,
37:25
Speaker 2: you have a conversation after conversation with a financial advisor.
37:28
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that you exclusively go to AI as
37:31
Speaker 2: a financial advisor, but as a starting point, it's great.
37:36
Speaker 2: It's an amazing tool.
37:38
Speaker 1: I Yeah, I think that too. I think I think
37:42
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody the other day about just
37:46
Speaker 1: a little They asked me something, and it's like we
37:48
Speaker 1: were talking about how when they get emotional, they can't
37:52
Speaker 1: think clearly, they don't make great decisions, you know, they
37:56
Speaker 1: don't respond well in all of that. And anyway, I
37:59
Speaker 1: was trying to explain on a pretty basic level. So
38:03
Speaker 1: bits of your brains do different things. You've got this
38:06
Speaker 1: thing called an amigdela, which is like the emotional epicenter
38:09
Speaker 1: of your brain. You've got a thing called a prefrontal
38:12
Speaker 1: cortex which makes decisions. All of that, and I go
38:14
Speaker 1: sometimes that bit overtakes that bit and like, how do
38:19
Speaker 1: you how do you know this? I goble, I study it,
38:21
Speaker 1: but I go, do you know what? You could literally
38:23
Speaker 1: go into chat GPT and go break down the bits
38:28
Speaker 1: of the brain, like what are they called and what
38:30
Speaker 1: do they do? You know? And it's I came back
38:34
Speaker 1: and I thought, how does that?
38:35
Speaker 2: Like?
38:36
Speaker 1: Was that a good idea? And I said, literally, tell
38:38
Speaker 1: me all the main bits because there's a fucking lot,
38:41
Speaker 1: but the main bits of the brain and what those
38:44
Speaker 1: bits of the brain do for us. And it's really
38:47
Speaker 1: like people could learn a basic understanding of how their
38:50
Speaker 1: brain works, or at least what the bits of their
38:52
Speaker 1: brain do in an hour if they want, and you know,
38:56
Speaker 1: take it's like, it is so incredible what's available now
39:00
Speaker 1: and how help Like that's just a real practical use.
39:03
Speaker 1: It's not steering you in a direction, it's giving you
39:06
Speaker 1: and the stuff that it spewed out. And I wrote,
39:09
Speaker 1: you know, basically word it so that it's it's user
39:12
Speaker 1: friendly for a lay person, and it was brilliant.
39:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, treat me like I'm you know, a year
39:18
Speaker 2: seven student, or treat me like yeah. I used another
39:23
Speaker 2: little interesting use. I had an awkward situation with a
39:26
Speaker 2: colleague slash friend and I had to send an email,
39:31
Speaker 2: but I had to word it delicately because I didn't
39:35
Speaker 2: want it to be one of those email trails where
39:37
Speaker 2: I said this, then you said that, and I said
39:40
Speaker 2: said that. So I asked chat GPT. I want to
39:43
Speaker 2: send this. I don't want to offend the person, but
39:45
Speaker 2: I also want to shut down the conversation so it
39:47
Speaker 2: doesn't go any further. And it was great advice.
39:50
Speaker 1: Really, this is really good.
39:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I, you know, I don't want to offend people,
39:55
Speaker 2: and I find that you know, not that I'm overtly
39:58
Speaker 2: a people pleaser, but I think that you and I
40:00
Speaker 2: are very similar in that way. You know, we like
40:03
Speaker 2: to be liked. And so I really wanted to handle
40:06
Speaker 2: this delicately, but I just didn't. I kept rewriting the
40:09
Speaker 2: same email. I rewrote it, and rewrote it, and rewrote it.
40:12
Speaker 2: And look at a quick tip for all you email
40:15
Speaker 2: people out there who want to send an email and
40:17
Speaker 2: they're a bit angry or they're a bit emotional, don't
40:20
Speaker 2: put the person's name in the two yet. Write the
40:24
Speaker 2: email first and then put the name in. That way,
40:27
Speaker 2: you can't accidentally send it or write it in something else.
40:30
Speaker 1: First, yeah, did you find it up?
40:33
Speaker 2: No? No, No, I didn't. I didn't. I make sure
40:35
Speaker 2: so even if i'm replying, when I hit the reply,
40:38
Speaker 2: I take their email address out so I don't accidentally
40:42
Speaker 2: send it.
40:43
Speaker 1: But that is a really interesting thing because you think
40:46
Speaker 1: about and this is heading a bit more into psych
40:49
Speaker 1: and sociology, but still related to what we're talking about.
40:52
Speaker 1: You know those those times when you just know you're
40:56
Speaker 1: having a pointless conversation or you feel like with some
41:00
Speaker 1: people and I'm not saying I'm never the problem. I
41:03
Speaker 1: definitely am at times, but you're like, fuck this person.
41:07
Speaker 1: I have had this conversation seventy three times and you
41:12
Speaker 1: know it's like going or when you're in the middle
41:15
Speaker 1: of it, you're like, God, I just want this to
41:17
Speaker 1: end because you know it's not fixing or changing or
41:20
Speaker 1: improving anything. What are you laughing at.
41:22
Speaker 2: I'm laughing because I'm thinking about our podcasts.
41:27
Speaker 1: This is this is fucking ground breaking. People love this shit,
41:31
Speaker 1: both of them. Both of our listeners love this. Shout
41:36
Speaker 1: out to Arnie Marget's all right, let's do you pick
41:40
Speaker 1: another couple pick which my point is, well, I just
41:45
Speaker 1: fucking said to you fucking stop picking on me. You're
41:47
Speaker 1: a bully. You're a bully from Bland. My point is
41:51
Speaker 1: that sometimes you like, there are these pointless, groundhole day
41:55
Speaker 1: conversations that we keep kind of involving ourselves in rather
41:59
Speaker 1: than going the last time I spoke to this person
42:02
Speaker 1: about this thing, it didn't work, that was not fruitful
42:06
Speaker 1: or productive. So we either don't talk about it or
42:10
Speaker 1: talk about it in a different way, you know, because
42:13
Speaker 1: it's like I have wasted so much. I'll give you
42:17
Speaker 1: an example. So, and I've had this at least thirty
42:22
Speaker 1: I was going to say a hundred, not one hundred,
42:24
Speaker 1: but at least thirty times with friends of mine where
42:26
Speaker 1: they go, oh, I just want to pick your brain
42:29
Speaker 1: for a minute. I just want to talk to you
42:31
Speaker 1: about so food and I go, nah, nah, I go.
42:38
Speaker 1: You and I have had this chat thirty five times
42:40
Speaker 1: and you never do anything with the information that I
42:43
Speaker 1: give you. And twenty years down the track, you're still
42:46
Speaker 1: looking for a quick fix, a magic pill or a
42:48
Speaker 1: fucking shortcut. And you want to know if I think
42:52
Speaker 1: ozepic is a great idea for you? Not having that chat,
42:55
Speaker 1: how about this eat less shit? Move more? And just
42:58
Speaker 1: fucking stop asking me oh, you know, but that's not
43:01
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. So some of my friends,
43:04
Speaker 1: I go, do not talk to me about your body fitness, health, nutrition,
43:08
Speaker 1: exercise program until you're actually in the middle of doing it.
43:13
Speaker 2: That's actually a healthy thing for conversations and friends. I've
43:16
Speaker 2: got one of my dearest friends. She is quite religious,
43:20
Speaker 2: very very religious, and whenever we get into or over
43:23
Speaker 2: the years previously we'd get into quite intense debates. And
43:28
Speaker 2: at one point we were talking about Bible references and
43:30
Speaker 2: she called me ignorant, and I took quite offense to that.
43:35
Speaker 2: So we decided that we just will never discuss religion
43:38
Speaker 2: ever because she has very strong opinions and I have
43:41
Speaker 2: very strong alter opinions, and it was actually damaging to
43:46
Speaker 2: our relationship that we were getting because we both headstrong,
43:49
Speaker 2: we both like to argue and debate points. But we
43:52
Speaker 2: just found that there's so many other things that we
43:54
Speaker 2: can talk about and we care about and love each
43:56
Speaker 2: other a lot, that we decided that that's just off
43:59
Speaker 2: the table, never ever ever talk about religion.
44:02
Speaker 1: But see, yeah, that's not a bad idea, but I
44:05
Speaker 1: think the problem with that is you truly think that
44:09
Speaker 1: you're right and there's no chance that you're wrong, as
44:13
Speaker 1: does she Yeah, exactly. That's a level of arrogance. And
44:18
Speaker 1: it's like I've realized over the years, and I'm not
44:22
Speaker 1: fucking mother Teresa or whatever, but yeah, like all the
44:25
Speaker 1: stuff you remember, how emphatic and how like, Now, what
44:29
Speaker 1: do I think? I think? I actually don't know. I
44:32
Speaker 1: have certain beliefs, but I don't know. I could be wrong.
44:35
Speaker 1: You don't know. You don't know if the Bible is
44:36
Speaker 1: real or bullshit, or you know, you don't know. You
44:39
Speaker 1: think you know. I don't know. None of us really know,
44:42
Speaker 1: like with many many things. And I think the irony
44:45
Speaker 1: is that we're talking about you know, spiritual religious god
44:50
Speaker 1: things or non things. And I find that, like twice
44:58
Speaker 1: in the last two days I've read somebody put a
45:01
Speaker 1: thing on Facebook and that was this big proclamation about
45:04
Speaker 1: shit and at the end they said, if you disagree
45:07
Speaker 1: with me, unfriend me. And I'm like, that is so hilarious.
45:11
Speaker 1: You're literally saying I only want to surround myself with
45:15
Speaker 1: people who agree with me. I want your endorsement. If
45:18
Speaker 1: you don't endorse or agree, fuck off. I want to
45:22
Speaker 1: live in an echo chamber. Whereas the healthiest way is now,
45:27
Speaker 1: because if you and I think something different on different things,
45:30
Speaker 1: that's fine. Doesn't affect our friendship or how much I
45:32
Speaker 1: love you or want you to be fucking great and healthy.
45:35
Speaker 1: Right if you think A and I think B, nothing
45:38
Speaker 1: in me wants to convince you of B. I'm like, cool,
45:43
Speaker 1: you know, and there are even and I think the
45:45
Speaker 1: thing is when you so emphatically believe that you're right
45:49
Speaker 1: about something for which you actually can't prove because there's
45:53
Speaker 1: no data in this and even like what people call data.
45:57
Speaker 1: You go back and you go, well, you know, there
46:00
Speaker 1: are even in science. There's so much science that isn't
46:03
Speaker 1: really science. It's like it's it's in somebody's interpretation of
46:08
Speaker 1: a thing. So then you go, well, who designed the study,
46:11
Speaker 1: A person who interpreted the study? A person like And
46:15
Speaker 1: when you think about I'm digressing here, but that you know,
46:19
Speaker 1: because people are so self righteous and adamant about this
46:23
Speaker 1: is science. And then you go, so, do you know
46:25
Speaker 1: how much of science is funded by private organizations who
46:29
Speaker 1: have a vested interest in the results of the science.
46:33
Speaker 1: It's about eighty percent. It's seventy five percent, I think,
46:37
Speaker 1: you know, And the rest is generally government or often government.
46:40
Speaker 1: And so when somebody has essentially responsibility to the person
46:46
Speaker 1: funding their research, or they're at least somewhat encouraged to
46:51
Speaker 1: produce certain data which is of value to then it's
46:54
Speaker 1: not honest. It's not real, it's not independent. You know,
46:58
Speaker 1: most real science is out that what you hypothesized is
47:02
Speaker 1: fucking wrong and going hey everyone, I got it wrong.
47:06
Speaker 1: Here's the information. That's science, you know. But it's like
47:11
Speaker 1: we are so emotional that we don't want to be
47:13
Speaker 1: we don't want to be wrong. And it's like, well
47:16
Speaker 1: that's arrogance, you like, you're going to get shit wrong constantly. Yeah,
47:22
Speaker 1: that's like even when we go we're talking about stuff,
47:25
Speaker 1: I go, hey, everyone, do not take any of this
47:27
Speaker 1: as of advice, because this is the two fucking dickheads
47:29
Speaker 1: on a Friday chatting.
47:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very passionate about veganism, but I will go
47:36
Speaker 2: to dinner with people and they can have a stake.
47:38
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get offended by that. I'm not
47:40
Speaker 2: going to change someone's opinions overnight. And you know, ultimately,
47:44
Speaker 2: and whether it's faith, belief or whatever, the belief system
47:48
Speaker 2: you have, you can't really control that you know, if you,
47:52
Speaker 2: in your heart believe that there is a God and
47:55
Speaker 2: that when you die you're going to go to heaven,
47:57
Speaker 2: that's lovely that you feel good and comfortable in that sense.
48:01
Speaker 1: Patronizing that's lovely.
48:03
Speaker 2: Well, it is great because I've seen Look, a really
48:06
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, her husband made a ner own disease,
48:09
Speaker 2: and you know, he chose what he wanted to pass
48:13
Speaker 2: and it was and I spent you know, a whole
48:16
Speaker 2: afternoon with him three days before he died, reading from
48:19
Speaker 2: his favorite book, and it was the emotional thing of
48:22
Speaker 2: my life. And what I drew a lot of comfort
48:24
Speaker 2: from was I knew how spiritual and how religious he was.
48:27
Speaker 2: Then he really didn't fear death and he got a
48:30
Speaker 2: lot from that. That was great for me to see
48:32
Speaker 2: that in him, knowing that he chose the time he
48:35
Speaker 2: was going to die, That was phenomenal to be a
48:38
Speaker 2: part of that. And I feel really really lucky to
48:40
Speaker 2: have spent that time with him, you know, holding his hand,
48:43
Speaker 2: reading a book, and that was an experience that is profound.
48:48
Speaker 2: And so ultimately, if you have a core belief, now
48:51
Speaker 2: one's going to change that. And all you can do
48:54
Speaker 2: is basically say, well, this is me, this is you,
48:56
Speaker 2: This is why I believe what I believe. And you
48:58
Speaker 2: can take that on board and not take it on board.
49:02
Speaker 1: Look at us getting deep in philosophical on the home straight.
49:06
Speaker 1: Have you got a two minute one, because I've got
49:08
Speaker 1: to be out in two minutes.
49:10
Speaker 2: There is one that I was really surprised about, and
49:12
Speaker 2: I was surprised and not so surprised that women are
49:17
Speaker 2: often an afterthought in terms of product design and implementation
49:22
Speaker 2: of public spaces. Okay, so in the nineteen seventies, this
49:26
Speaker 2: is a great article I was reading. There was a
49:29
Speaker 2: thing called reference man. Effectively referenced man in the seventies
49:33
Speaker 2: was a white male twenty five to thirty five ways,
49:37
Speaker 2: about seventy kilos and about one hundred and seventy seventy
49:40
Speaker 2: centimeters tall, which, ironically, I'm just under seventy kilos and
49:44
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred and sixty nine centimeters tall.
49:47
Speaker 1: Average person through seventies, you're the prototype.
49:50
Speaker 2: Well yes and no, because I did a bit of
49:53
Speaker 2: a googling on this one, and evidently the average height
49:56
Speaker 2: has increased in Australia by about six or seven centimeters,
50:02
Speaker 2: so that's now wrong anyway. But what it related to
50:05
Speaker 2: is the fact that this reference. Now, there's an interesting
50:09
Speaker 2: professor at monash Uni called Nicole Carm's and she was talking.
50:14
Speaker 2: She runs a lab called monash x YX Lab. I
50:17
Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard of that one, Craigo.
50:19
Speaker 1: But have not.
50:20
Speaker 2: But anyway, so what she's saying is one of the
50:22
Speaker 2: problem is problems is that everything's gender specific. So if
50:26
Speaker 2: you think about standing on a tram and reaching up
50:28
Speaker 2: and grabbing the handle, well, someone has decided that the
50:31
Speaker 2: handle should be at a certain height. And so everything
50:35
Speaker 2: is based on a lot of research or a lot
50:37
Speaker 2: of the RND and the development of products and spaces,
50:42
Speaker 2: whether it's sitting on a bench or something like that,
50:45
Speaker 2: is still based on reference. Man, the white male from Wow,
50:51
Speaker 2: isn't that fascinating?
50:52
Speaker 1: That is fascinating. It doesn't surprise me. But I will
50:55
Speaker 1: say I totally agree with well, it's nothing to agree
50:59
Speaker 1: or dis I find that interesting and believe it. But
51:02
Speaker 1: I think there are a huge amount of products now
51:06
Speaker 1: that women are at the forefront of because women spend
51:10
Speaker 1: so much like and I mean that in a nice way.
51:13
Speaker 1: It's like especially around I guess like fashion and all
51:17
Speaker 1: of those things. I think generally speaking, women are more
51:20
Speaker 1: interested in you know, well, maybe I'm not. Well, I'm
51:24
Speaker 1: definitely not typical, but I think it goes both ways.
51:27
Speaker 1: It's like there are probably certain you know, whether and
51:30
Speaker 1: some women absolutely love cars, some don't. They're just like, oh,
51:34
Speaker 1: it gets me from A to B and it's you know,
51:36
Speaker 1: and some are all over it, and then other blokes
51:39
Speaker 1: are not, you know, or blow you know. But I
51:41
Speaker 1: think there's I think you'd find with a lot of
51:44
Speaker 1: products that there's a real leaning one way or the other,
51:48
Speaker 1: male or female around who's more you know, predisposed to
51:54
Speaker 1: kind of be interested in that. But I do find
51:56
Speaker 1: that interesting. Look, I think back then, when did you say,
52:00
Speaker 1: the fifties or sixties and seventies, Yeah, well fifty I
52:04
Speaker 1: mean that's fifty years ago now, and it's like, oh everything,
52:07
Speaker 1: I agree. The world was so fucking geared towards men
52:12
Speaker 1: and what men want and men need, and yeah, it
52:14
Speaker 1: had to change, and thankfully it's changing. But you and
52:19
Speaker 1: Tiff both kind of straddle that man woman kind of
52:23
Speaker 1: you know, like you to blur the lines a little bit.
52:26
Speaker 2: Well. The thing that she did bring up, though, is
52:28
Speaker 2: that women quite often aren't in the data, so you know,
52:32
Speaker 2: when you think about it, it's half the population. But
52:35
Speaker 2: historically they've been excluded from that data set because it
52:38
Speaker 2: is based on it's so male centric.
52:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous, Patrick. Where can people connect with you?
52:44
Speaker 1: Find you, do yoga with you, meet Fritz and come
52:48
Speaker 1: and stay thousand dollars a night in Milan for the weekend.
52:52
Speaker 2: Oh that'd be good, wouldn't it. Websites noow dot com
52:56
Speaker 2: dot au if you want to chat about like I
52:58
Speaker 2: don't know websites figure, but if you want to check
53:01
Speaker 2: out and do some Tai chee with Fritz and I
53:03
Speaker 2: tie chee at home dot com dot au, but send
53:07
Speaker 2: us a message, or if you want to trig about
53:09
Speaker 2: something and not talk about male ejaculation.
53:12
Speaker 1: Pat, see, you brought it right back up. It was
53:16
Speaker 1: the furthest thing from anyone's mind. M Patrick sent me
53:20
Speaker 1: a photo just before the show, every one of Fritz
53:22
Speaker 1: wearing headphones and a little mouth talking piece like an
53:27
Speaker 1: amy lady on the ads, and he said, we're ready.
53:33
Speaker 1: Sadly Fritz hasn't made an appearance. Thank you, mate. I
53:37
Speaker 1: will say goodbye affair, but for the minute, have a
53:41
Speaker 1: good Friday chatting