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Amanda Shires · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Amanda Shires is a Texas born singer songwriter who
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  Speaker 1: got her start at age fifteen when she joined the
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  Speaker 1: legendary Bob Wills group The Texas Playboys on fiddle. After
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  Speaker 1: starting her solo career in two thousand and five, Shires
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  Speaker 1: continued to play with a number of other groups, including
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  Speaker 1: the four hundred Unit, which is fronted by her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Isbel. In twenty nineteen, she started the all female
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  Speaker 1: country supergroup The High Women, which includes Brandy Carlyle, Natalie Hemby,
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  Speaker 1: and Maren Morris. After the twenty twenty two release of
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  Speaker 1: Amanda Shire's seventh solo album, Take It Like a Man,
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  Speaker 1: she released an album of covers with the late and
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  Speaker 1: reclusive Bobby Nelson, who's primarily known for playing piano and
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  Speaker 1: her younger brother, Willie Nelson's family band for decades. Amanda
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  Speaker 1: initially elicted Bobby to play on her vert of Willie's
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  Speaker 1: classic You Are Always On My Mind, but they continued
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  Speaker 1: to record together. The resulting collection of songs became the
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  Speaker 1: album Loving You, which was released this past June, nearly
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  Speaker 1: a year after Bobby's death. On today's episode, I talked
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  Speaker 1: to Amanda Shiers about Bobby Nelson's unfortunate start in the
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  Speaker 1: music business. Amanda also talks about why she feels more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable singing about societies big issues alongside her group The
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  Speaker 1: High Women, and she remembers the time she went to
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  Speaker 1: Vegas and gambled away all of her band's tour money,
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  Speaker 1: only to win it all back after playing craps through
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  Speaker 1: the night. This is broken record line of notes for
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  Speaker 1: the digital age. I'm justin Mitchman. Here's my interview with
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  Speaker 1: Amanda shires Man.
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  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Oh, great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with your record with Bobby. That's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty special thing.
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  Speaker 2: I really liked that record. We had a great time
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  Speaker 2: recording it, and it was a nice return to the
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  Speaker 2: songs that I played growing up.
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  Speaker 1: I guess for people who don't know, Bobby Nelson is
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  Speaker 1: Willy Nelson's sister and longtime piano player with Willy, although
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  Speaker 1: she played even before she joined Willie in like the
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  Speaker 1: early seventies, I guess the family band. But she was
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  Speaker 1: a pretty quiet person, as I'm led to believe, and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't seem to collaborate with a ton of people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious how you were able to get a record
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  Speaker 1: going with her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, i'd seen her play, you know, growing up all
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  Speaker 2: the time with Willie. But I think she started out
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  Speaker 2: when she was playing music, playing revival tints and churches
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  Speaker 2: and all that, and then started playing with Willie and
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  Speaker 2: one of her exes in a band that sold alcohol
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  Speaker 2: and quickly got her kids taken away from her. So
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  Speaker 2: that put a stop to all of that. And in
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  Speaker 2: the time when she you know, was coming up and
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  Speaker 2: growing up, she was powerless as what she was and
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  Speaker 2: had to figure out a new way to keep music
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  Speaker 2: in her life and get her kids back and eventually
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  Speaker 2: rejoin Willie. But I guess our collaboration started because I
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  Speaker 2: was considering putting you were always on my mind on
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  Speaker 2: my record take it like a man, and I went
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  Speaker 2: down there and we recorded it, and then she decided
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  Speaker 2: and I agreed that we were going to make a
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  Speaker 2: record together.
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  Speaker 1: So you wanted her to be on that song for
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  Speaker 1: your TAKEO Commander, Oh right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'd played it in the studio with my piano player, Peter,
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  Speaker 2: and it was beautiful. But I just had a feeling
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  Speaker 2: that the way to do it right and to do
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  Speaker 2: it any justice at all would be to have Bobby
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  Speaker 2: on it. And I called and she said yes, and
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  Speaker 2: I sent her a bunch of orchids, and when we
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  Speaker 2: got to the studio we recorded it and just started
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  Speaker 2: talking about songs and life and we decided that I
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  Speaker 2: was going to come back and we were going to
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  Speaker 2: make a record. In this first song we would do
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  Speaker 2: would be Summer.
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  Speaker 1: What's it like hanging out with Bobby inspiring.
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  Speaker 2: In the way that she had like she had knowledge
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  Speaker 2: of every song ever, like Cold you could not stump her.
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  Speaker 2: And then just the way she carried herself with love
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  Speaker 2: and forgiveness, the way that she just was able to
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  Speaker 2: forgive and lead with love. And then also at the
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  Speaker 2: same time she was very centering, she was very she
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  Speaker 2: was very sure of herself with the piano, and also
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  Speaker 2: very much about the point of music being to be
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  Speaker 2: connection with people or with whatever God you believe in,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, with the heart and with your with
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  Speaker 2: your friends. She's really, really awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any tattoos, but I often feel like
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  Speaker 1: if I had tattoos, I would have a Ray Charles
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  Speaker 1: and Willie Nelson tattoo, because I feel like that kind
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  Speaker 1: of encompasses all of you know, American music and all
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  Speaker 1: the music.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Ray Charles is record is I still stand
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  Speaker 2: by it the best country record ever recorded.
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  Speaker 1: He says, the best country record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ever recorded modern songs at country music that
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  Speaker 2: and along with the time that it came out and
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  Speaker 2: just you know, there's a lot that goes with that record.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Wow, that's surprising you hear you say
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  Speaker 1: it's the best in your in your views?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely what makes you.
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  Speaker 1: So good to you? Like as a country record.
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  Speaker 2: He can play the shit out of it and it
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  Speaker 2: inspired and even the sequencing is great. The players are great.
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  Speaker 2: It's inspiring to the story of it, you know, him
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  Speaker 2: getting his rights to his music and all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff at that time. The I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just fearless to me, fearless, you know, I mean we
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  Speaker 2: will all have fears, so to me, it feels fearless
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  Speaker 2: in the way that it was made. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: some incredible you know, solos and feels and stuff that
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  Speaker 2: are just like, what how did you come up with that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah knows country music. It's so good, Like,
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  Speaker 2: how could you not that record? The best country record?
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. Wow, stand by it.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta revisit it. I haven't listened
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  Speaker 1: to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, damn. And to do that and being black,
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  Speaker 2: you know, can you believe it? Like during the sixties
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know, just everything about it
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  Speaker 2: is like there's there's a hero right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand. My first concert was a knockoff
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  Speaker 1: like Boys to Men kind of group, but.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't new edition.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't new edition, No new aeddition was dope.
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  Speaker 2: It was my first was Black Street new Edition.
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  Speaker 1: Black Yep, that's a great show. That's a great show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Remember all for one that had that song I se
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  Speaker 1: I do that was That was my first concert. But
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  Speaker 1: my second was a Garth Brooks concert. So oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: being black in a country environments.
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  Speaker 2: Get it, Yeah, exactly, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But that was pretty that's pretty mind altering, I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: But like you know, to my point, like Ray Charles,
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  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson like great players. But you know, when you
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  Speaker 1: really dig into Willy's music, like it's not just Willy,
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  Speaker 1: although it's Willy as much that he brings the table,
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  Speaker 1: but it really by the time it really, in my view,
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  Speaker 1: kind of finds his stride in terms of recordings and
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  Speaker 1: all that. You know, it's with Bobby and the band,
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  Speaker 1: and she really has a beautiful way of accompanying Willie.
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  Speaker 1: Was it difficult to get her to consider kind of
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  Speaker 1: slapping her name on a record, Like, it's not like
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  Speaker 1: as if she's accompanying you on this, it's like you
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  Speaker 1: and her together releasing something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that was that was really easy. And
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  Speaker 2: it came along organically, like just sitting around playing together.
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  Speaker 2: I think too it we'd played together some in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I was introduced to her first by Mickey Raphael, the
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  Speaker 2: harmonica player, and at that point they had me on
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  Speaker 2: stage to join them in the band at a show,
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  Speaker 2: and they're gonna have me up for one, and they
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  Speaker 2: wound up keeping me up for like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot of songs. And then I'd always go
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  Speaker 2: sit in with them. But after that show, we started
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  Speaker 2: talking about how much we liked each other's choice of
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  Speaker 2: clothing that night, and then the solos, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: we kept on talking to each other when we see
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  Speaker 2: each other. And then when I saw her, she said,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna make a we're going to go on tour
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  Speaker 2: so we could go shopping and play music. And I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we are, but we're going to need a record. She said,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to need a band, and I said, we
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  Speaker 2: could just be the two of us. And so our
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  Speaker 2: plan was to go around and spend a few days
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  Speaker 2: in a town, play a show, and buy some killer shoes.
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  Speaker 2: What year was this that we recorded?
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  Speaker 1: But no, no, no, that that you guys had that
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  Speaker 1: conversation about that.
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  Speaker 2: This stuff with the clothes and stuff that happened a
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  Speaker 2: long time ago. But the part where we actually were
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  Speaker 2: going to make a record that happened after we recorded
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  Speaker 2: always on my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, do you remember what you guys were wearing when
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  Speaker 1: you first met that? You guys are dr.
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  Speaker 2: Had to toe black? And I think you know, she
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't a person that drew a lot of attention
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  Speaker 2: to herself, And I think that that was she started
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  Speaker 2: playing so young, and then she got her kids taken
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  Speaker 2: away so young, and then when that happened, she went
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  Speaker 2: to school, got a degree, started working, then was demoing
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  Speaker 2: pianos and working to get her kids back in a
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  Speaker 2: time when you really couldn't do it so low and
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  Speaker 2: then she did it, and then that's why she rejoined after,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Willie, after they were good and grown and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, She's such an incredible character man, in person.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine, like if that had happened to me
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  Speaker 2: and then I got my kids back, sure, shit, I'll
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  Speaker 2: sit in the back. I don't want anybody to notice,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna play.
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  Speaker 1: Right because she got her kids taken away because she
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  Speaker 1: was playing in environments that was apparently double right for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they called her all kinds of name, like
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  Speaker 2: a whore, and her reputation was solely just for like
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  Speaker 2: she wouldn't even drink at the places, and she you know,
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  Speaker 2: the churches would barely have her back, damn. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: she was by her grandparents to her and Willie were
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  Speaker 2: and when her granddad passed away, they threatened to take
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  Speaker 2: the kids away from the grandmother, saying that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: think she could provide and didn't even give them a chance,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but she managed to keep them. And but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just I just can't imagine.
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  Speaker 1: So that that is that's sort of the mythology around her,
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  Speaker 1: is that she was just kind of to herself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like in terms of she didn't really want Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do interviews. Didn't want to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame her, I mean you don't want to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stay out of trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a fascinating but also kind of a sad story,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't consider.
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  Speaker 2: But like, like I said, she she led with forgiveness,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, how do you get through all
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  Speaker 2: this trauma and then, you know, get your kids back
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  Speaker 2: and they're grown and healthy and everything, and then suddenly
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  Speaker 2: two of them, not suddenly, but then two of them
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  Speaker 2: die within six months of each other, and then the
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  Speaker 2: world is a vampire. And she said, the easiest thing
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  Speaker 2: to do, which is sometimes hardest, to forgive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where she gets a grace, but the
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  Speaker 1: Nelson family in general seems to have that level of
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  Speaker 1: grace and ease about life.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they are fashion forward with a lot, not
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  Speaker 2: fashion forward, you know, with weed and all kinds of things,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were ahead of the times spiritually
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  Speaker 1: and culturally.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: You came up in the same town as does the
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  Speaker 1: right No, the same state, same state.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds a lot alike there there grew up in Abbott,
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  Speaker 2: which is more hill country esque.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, got it, but but love it? What I mean?
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  Speaker 1: What doesn't isn't that where Willie's place is? Now?
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  Speaker 2: No, there's a place in Luke and Bac and one
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  Speaker 2: in the Florist Country store. I guess it's purdin Alis area. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but Luke and bach Is is a different place than Lon,
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  Speaker 2: like I think they're probably six hours apart.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm messing up my Texas geography.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's a big state. It really should be four.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I grew up playing Texas playboys when I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't you know. I thought when I first heard West
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  Speaker 2: Side Connection they were playing fiddles, but it turns out
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  Speaker 2: it was a synthesizer. So part of my life was
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  Speaker 2: a hoax me trying to learn from.
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  Speaker 1: Was that, Like, so, we're you a Westside Connection fan?
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  Speaker 1: Were you listening to rap?
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  Speaker 2: I listened to all of it? Yeah. I have clippings
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  Speaker 2: from when Tupac died out of the Lubbic newspaper. I
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  Speaker 2: watched MTV jams countdown every day. I wrote fan letters
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  Speaker 2: to Tyrese. I have response letters, but I have yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was like hy two K in the neighborhood, like
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and he signed it stuff about Y
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  Speaker 2: two K and all this, But no, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I listened to all the music and I learned all
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  Speaker 2: the music, and yeah, everything from gang Star to what
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  Speaker 2: Are You Guthrie?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? What was pox? One of my favorite?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see how they arrested somebody in Vegas in
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  Speaker 2: connection with them? Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm too deep into that rabbit whole song. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to find some shit out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I think it seems like they're
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  Speaker 1: close to figuring that out finally, which is a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: thing because that was one of the most crushing things.
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  Speaker 2: Part of me. You still hoped he was like living
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  Speaker 2: in an island somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I always I always have that as well. He was
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  Speaker 1: so larger than life, you know it really, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable at twenty six, spent a year in prison. So
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  Speaker 1: in twenty five years, six five put out six albums
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  Speaker 1: plus all the other stuff that was recorded, plus like
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  Speaker 1: five movies plus Yeah, just all the stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just insane, insane work ethic what So I'm imagining
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  Speaker 1: you're joking though that you thought it was fiddle on
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  Speaker 1: West Side Connection.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on that song bound Down, that part goes bear
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  Speaker 2: Bear Bear Bear Bar. I was very young. How was
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  Speaker 2: I supposed to know about synthesizers?
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  Speaker 1: You thought that was?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I did, and I learned it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I had this dream I was gonna join. My dream
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  Speaker 2: one day was to play a violin with method Man.
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  Speaker 2: And while I did get to meet him in the
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  Speaker 2: Wu Tang, I didn't ever get to play with him,
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  Speaker 2: but he did let me dance on stage.
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  Speaker 1: Did you tell him.
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  Speaker 2: I did it? I got. I'm usually good at over sharing,
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  Speaker 2: but that time I was like, good job, Sharrees didn't overshare?
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  Speaker 1: Is that really? Do you really talk to yourself that way?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, you know, so when I do a
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  Speaker 2: good job, I mean, we all talk to ourselves and
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  Speaker 2: our brains and most of it's a beat down. But
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  Speaker 2: at that time, I was like, good job, not oversharing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know. I definitely talk to myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely a self talker to psych myself up. But
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  Speaker 1: I just assumed from your music that you were pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure of your movements through the world.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, God, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: What does the confidence in your music come.
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  Speaker 2: From Oh that's only happened of late. And that's because
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for me, I feel like I've always
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  Speaker 2: felt like I've had to have some sort of like
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  Speaker 2: uh certificate or or something to say that I'm allowed
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  Speaker 2: to do the things that I do or call myself
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Like I didn't really feel like I was
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  Speaker 2: much of a writer at all until I got my
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  Speaker 2: degree at Swanee. Although I was writing, and I mean
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  Speaker 2: not the worst at it. But I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: guess maybe we all have imposter syndrome. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that everybody seems to say they have it. I
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  Speaker 2: know I do.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely have it, but I'm also like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not There's so much opportunity as a musician for
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  Speaker 1: failure and embarrassment, and so many opportunities to be exposed
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  Speaker 1: as a as a fraud as it were, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like so it's like, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: wild decision you've made to I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: how do you how do you handle that? Because it's
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  Speaker 1: like to have I hide from most opportunities for embarrassment,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm able to do that in my chosen you know,
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  Speaker 1: path or less.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I can play, and I know
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  Speaker 2: I can write, but I don't know why it exists.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why it exists. I guess
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  Speaker 2: because some things are just maybe to me, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like the purpose of life, I guess is growing and learning.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like you can't master anything in the world.
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  Speaker 2: So how could you be a thing if you can't
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  Speaker 2: master a thing? Like we'll never truly master a violin,
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  Speaker 2: will never truly master the words on the page. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're always moving and living and shifting. And I mean, actually,
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  Speaker 2: now that we're talking about it, I'm going to think
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  Speaker 2: about it more because it doesn't really make you an
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  Speaker 2: imposter so much as it makes you, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: afraid to fail. But I guess that's a beautiful thing to.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Your point of like words are, you can never master
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a language because language is a living, breathing thing that's
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: always changing, evolving, adapting.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody will give a shit if you do it in Latin, right, right, right?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The two Latin scholars alive might But.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: It's like music's saying. I mean, like you know, like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: like fiddle violin music, and the instrument's the same. It's
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: like you're always in conversation with the current sort of
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: time in place and leaving it up to the next
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: sort of group of people to move it forward or
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: backwards or just laterally or wherever, you know, in some
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: sort of way. It's like music, for sure, is always
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: evolving and changing, and that's what keeps it hopefully interesting
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: for years to come.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It does, and then you learn a lot about how
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: it changes depending on the folks you get in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: room to play with you, and that can be really fun.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for a quick break and then come
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: back with more from an interview with Amanda Shires. We're
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: back with more from Amanda Shires. Who are some of
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: your favorite people to play with?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I really like to playing with Bobby, but my favorite
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: people to play with. I love playing with my piano player,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Peter Levin. He's great. I'm at him and the Greg
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Almond band when I was opening for them, and he's fantastic.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And I love playing with all the four hundred Unit members.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: They're fantastic. Yeah, Jason's band, they're good, good guys too.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I recently played with the Asleep at the Wheel band,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Ray Benson and them. They were fantastic. I mean it's
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: rare to get on stage and play with anybody that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that's no good or no fun because I don't really
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: operate in that world much that no fun world?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Are there some times you have?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sometimes you get into situations with in studios,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: like when I first moved to town, where I worked
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: with some people that I like. Now, in hindsight, know
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: that the reason that wasn't fun was because of the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: people in the room. But and then you get some
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: folks that operate in the top forty world that have
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: very interesting facial hair and haircut, and you're like, you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: they're like little napoleons running around everywhere, and that you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: know that's not the whole Top forty. I'm not trying
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to talk shit on all of them, but there's some
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: serious ass kissers out there. And then you try to
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: tell them something. They're like, no, but x Y and
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Z said this, And I'm like, well, you're.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So boring x Y and Z meaning like some industry
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: person or right right damn. Do you feel like a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: commercial artist, like an artist who's operating or do you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: feel I feel.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Like an artist but I know I'm not in the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: what they call the top forty country genre, and that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: suits me just fine. I don't mind wherever they put me,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: because I'm not really looking to get into wars with
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: folks that are ding dongs releasing songs like that crap
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: ass Jason al Dean song. I mean, I don't need
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to get in that argument every day. That's a piece
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: of shit.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: So I mean you don't at all feel kinship with
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: contemporary pop country.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I do with some of them, but there's not They's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: just not enough room. And and so if there's not
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: enough room, I don't want to be in your club anyway.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: If you won't let me in the club, I don't
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: want to be in your club.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Do you really feel like they won't let you in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the club?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Oh? Hell no. You have to be like poised and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: say the right things, and you have to, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: believe in wrapping yourself in the American flag. I don't.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, my cousin did six tours and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: killed himself. I'm not wrapping myself in the American flag.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And among other things, I have no bodily autonomy, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I will talk about it. They won't let you in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that club if you're going to talk about it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Wow, how do you square that with you know, working
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in the country idiom so to speak, you know what
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, like because the country feels more popular than
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it's ever but it's it's funny. I live in Long Beach, California.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I was walking on the beach the other day.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And I saw do you ever run in to give
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you on?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Because I heard he lives there.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: He lives in Long Beach.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah really, wow, Okay that's what I heard. I really
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: like that. I like the previous record a lot.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I love GiB great, great voice. I miss
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I missed the baritones.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's tell him I need If you needs a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: violinist or a fiddlist, I.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Will, I will, Okay, lasty teenager like like you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Long Beach. In my history, here's never been a ton
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of people that have Like when you're just out in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the out in the world, like on the beach, particularly listening.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: But it's like everywhere I go now it's country music.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah right.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It feels like a like a boom time for the genre.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You know, in some ways I think there there is
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that just because there's luckily that the tie we're in.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: We can find music other ways than what we're what
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: we used to be limited to with just the regular
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: old radio. Like now we've got the Internet and hopefully
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the algorithms don't kill everyone. But like they say, people
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: over thirty five don't listen to new music. I was
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: reading that recently too, But we've got ways that we
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: find music, and we.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Go younger than thirty five, by the way, rarely listen
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to new music too. Like it's it doesn't seem doesn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: seem that way?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't, does it. Yeah, But it's cool
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: because you can find music now on you know, on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the many shows you have at your at your streaming
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: platforms and your you know, TV shows and all that stuff. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of bad music more music that way.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I watched your video for Bad Behavior and a lot
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of people commenting they discovered your that song in the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: grocery store. Nice.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the politics of sex at the grocery store. That
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: sounds nice. I like that. I mean, my daughter discovered
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Christopher Cross at the grocery store really or whatever it is. Yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: she's like I need that on my playlist. It's like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that and bad Bunny, it's awesome Christ the grocery Store.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: That song, by the way, bad Woman, that's that's an
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: incredible bad Woman. That's an incredible song. I got a gangster.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's go, let's go.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, when did you write that song?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was I wrote that one on the fly,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: kind of like in a ten day haze of writing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Like I like to write a record and then I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: like ten days before, so I get into a frenzy
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of wondering if I have the whole collection, and then
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I'll do one song a day, and then once I'm
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: in the studio, I'll sometimes even write too. But my
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: friend Lawrence Rothman, who produced my record, they said to me, man,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: they're so awesome. And then when I say something in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the studio and nobody hears. They have a very low voice.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: So they said, they'll say, she said, could you do this?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: This is my bad impersonation, and then and everybody's like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: oh shit, yeah, It's like it sounds like the voice
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of God. Their voice. Their voice is so low. They's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: such a tidy, you know, they don't weigh a lot.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: It's just interesting juxtaposition.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So you you kind of got like a ten day
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: writing haze and you always you don't have the right material.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, always. And then they sent me this folder of
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: what we call randoms. We call randoms now that's just
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: basically tracks they've made up where it can be drums
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it'll be pianos, sometimes it'll be beat sometimes
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it'll it'll be different stuff. And I just would go
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: through and listen to them. And I found that one
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and I really liked it and moved a few measures
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: out and in and then had a track and I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: wrote to it, which was the first time I ever
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: tried doing that, which was pretty fun.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Actually you wrote to the track.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never done that, and they were they were
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: scared to send me a folder of tracks. I was like, well,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I'll try anything seven or eight times, and so I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: wrote to that once because you know, you know, you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: think you'll learn your lesson, but you usually takes four
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: of the one time.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It's like but it's like.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You know, when you try something, like even if you
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: did try something out or I don't know, say, I mean,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: how many times have I told myself I was never
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: gonna drink whiskey and did it?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Shit, keep doing it? And then I did it again.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's like Okay, I guess it's time number eight.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I'm gonna steal that seven or eight times. Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: What what what about the track like appealed to you?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Did it immediately resonate with you or did you sort
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of just take it as a as a challenge, like, oh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: let me just see if I can write to this
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: or well.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It was a folder of them, so I switched through
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: them and it was actually I actually wrote a verse
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to give you on to sing on,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: but he never responsed my emails because I wanted to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: do a remix. But it's like, come on, man, surely
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you can handle get an email for me. Surely you've
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: got three seconds already wrote it. Just go sing it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Quit being like that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It sounds would have I would be an incredible song
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: from the feature on there. And there is a really
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like you know, there is a I guess it's I
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: don't know, soulful R and B. There's like a vein
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: in there through the whole record of like it's super soulful.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: The whole record is incredibly so thank you. Yeah, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: really I'm proud of it. Yeah, And it's really like
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I said, like something when I was listening to when
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I've listened to it, it's like, in its way it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: has what resonates with me when I listened to Pok,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: which kind of has this attitude, you know, it as
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: like a real strong like I don't give a fuck. Yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Has that always been a part of your you said
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it's sort of new to your music. Has it always
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: been that sort of self assurance and confidence that you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: said is sort of No.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I used to care more. I used to care more.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I used to care a lot more. And then I realized,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to sound jaded or anything,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: but I realized how much people don't actually give a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: shit in return. So the reciprocation is a factor in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: my fuck giving definitely. And also when it comes to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: your art and having had a couple of near death experiences,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I give less fucks now than I ever did. I'm like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I'm making my art and it's going to be my way,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: or you can go ahead and leave because I'm paying
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: for the studio.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Time you had a couple of near death experiences artistically
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: or in life.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: In life, I had a ruptured my I didn't rupture
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: it by any topic. Pregnancy, that ruptured and then I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was internally bleeding all that and then my life was
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: spared for some reason. And it must be to keep on,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: keep it on into all that. But anyway, then you
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: know the me and my mom called the silly ways
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to die, like riding the horse around the swimming pool
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: or some she has a horse.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So does my mom?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Really awesome.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I gave a bride and it was terrible.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got bucked off and ran over once and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that was it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Man, I got bucked off too, but it was because
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I was trying to do Jesse Jabe stuff like this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: was like just two years ago. I was like, I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: gonna pick up my friend and sling around the back,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and the horse was like, no, the fuck you're not,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and it bucked us both off. It was incredible. The
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: insides of my thighs looked like I looked like I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: had just like took a be with I don't know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a bunch of lipstick.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: When you hit the ground for the top of a horse, man,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it's just that's I don't even know. I'd be punched
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: seven to eight times.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's you feel it everywhere. It's like there's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: nowhere for the shock to absorb except your own bones.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's the gnarliest thing I think I've ever experienced.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like this is sort of a new
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: addition to your character, personality, and music. It feels like
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there's like this inverse relationship between levels of fuck given
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and your sort of your your popularity seems to Does
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that feel true?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm very what qualifies as popular?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it definitely. It feels like you've had a really
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: great three four years.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't know. I live in the country,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: so I can't tell if I'm popular or not. It
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I recently deleted Twitter and don't do anything on Instagram like.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Play of bigger shows, aren't you? I mean, it feels
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: like people know you love you these days. No, right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I think I.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Think I might be playing bigger shows. Uh, I think,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think so. I haven't really thought about it because
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it was my first four way out after COVID, so
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I had a little bit of shows to make up
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: there at the beginning of this record cycle of from
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: from COVID. So I think I guess so feels like.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: That be here I hear Howard Stern name check you, you know, I.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Hear Howard Stern.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all different people. You know. I feel like the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: your music is getting better and better and better. It
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: seems artists in the world it feels like there's sometimes
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: an energy around them that you can feel from afar
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: as a as a fan, as a listener, and it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: certainly feels that way about you. So that's it just
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: seems ironic to me that the less you care to care,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the more that people seem to care.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Oh right, well, I care about the people that come
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to the show. When I care about the people that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: are actually, you know, supporting the music and believe the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: same things I believe, I care about that a lot.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: That's the part where the reciprocation feels good. It's other
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: areas of music that I just don't need to concern
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: myself with because I'm just going to keep on making
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: music that helps me understand the world better. And if
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it makes me some new friends and fans because it
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: helped them, then I feel like I feel like we're
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: doing something right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we have to take another quick break and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more from my conversation with
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Amanda Shires. We're back with the rest of my conversation
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: with Amanda Shires. Are you writing new stuff now?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I've got one that I'm really proud of.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: The second I have a second one that's just kind
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: of funny. I've been writing a bunch, but there's there's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: two or three that I'm really excited about.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It's the one that you're really proud of.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: The one that I'm really proud of is living is
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: what I call it, but it's it's super sad. And
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: then I have this other one about Las Vegas. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: then another one that's called the Talking Shires Blues that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's like nine minutes long.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'd like to get it to thirty three minutes
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: or thirty five so it could be a whole record,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: just one song.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Three weeks ago, have my very first Vegas experience. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: how was it? I got there and I was like, damn,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm a movie.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: It's so fun.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: It was warm, and all of a sudden, I was like, wait,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you can drink outside anywhere you want me. I thought
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: we were kind of sneaking around with it. You know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you can drink outside. There's all kinds of crazy. Just
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: there is no sense of shame out there is what
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I both said, and so I love amazing, but I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: beat myself.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: There's all this facade that's beautiful, and there's all this
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: fun that you can have. There's some definitely some dark shit.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: It is fun every part of your brain and get
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: some kind of action.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's it's out of control, but it's it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: also like I can't. I don't know if I can.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I trust myself
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: back there? Do you play when you go out there?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I win. Yeah, I'm not that great at
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: black jack, but I went at crabs.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Like you went big or you just like like do
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you are you putting down there?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm winning big. I mean I accumulated as
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I go and kind of progressively get more and more.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You know, what's the most you've lost gambling?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I did take my tour float sorry whoever's listening,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: that works for me, and I went and lost it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: all a blackjack and I took a bunch of money
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and won it all back. I took it out of
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: my ATM so I could win it. It took me. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: was late for bus. Call it took me, I don't know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like six hours to get it all back. But I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: had to go get it all back on the craps table.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But the the dealer at Caesar's Palace remembers that day
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: what I want and all that money back. It was
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: close to four thousand dollars, but I want it all
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: back plus like twelve dollars, so I felt good about myself.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Rewind the story about hold Home. We want the story back.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So you took your tour floats, you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Said, the tour float, the tour cash.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Tour cash, the cash money for you guys to be
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: on tour, to live and move around and do your thing.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You took that cash and you took.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It to play black jacket and you let some stuff.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You lost it. You lost and you left four thousand.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I didn't lose it because I went to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the ATM and got got five hundred dollars back and
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: then spent the next rest of the night at the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: craps table getting it back. Yeah, it was, it was.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It was a thing I'm never going to do again
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: because it was. It was. It took a lot of
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: work for twelve dollars. In the positive that I left with.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That was like a whole day's work for twelve dollars.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: You know. I was like, I was like, well I
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: lost that at blackjack. Well maybe if I just try hard,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I could. That's the number one thing you should never
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: do is just think that you could win it back.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You should never think that. Go in there planning to lose,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: which you want to lose, and that's all. Don't take
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the tour money.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And you and the guy the dealer still remembers, Oh
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he still remembers. Yeah, you've seen him since.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've all been working there thirty five forty years
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and they remember that. And then one night I got
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: kicked out of the Bolaggio because they thought what I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: was wearing was not a shirt. And I was like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: your firstly, your suit and your title match. Nextly, this
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: is sold as a shirt. It looks like a brawlett, yes,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: but it's a shirt and I was wearing a sheer
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: top over it. So I got kicked out of the Bolaggio.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That I threw a fit about how they were uh
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: just you know, you know dress codes. What they are
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: is that they're just not fair. They're meant to get
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: like be away out get to kick people out of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: things anyway. So I went to Caesar's Palace where I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: made my friends, and that night I I won two
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars and they were the same dealers.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most I've ever won two thousand, or
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: maybe it was that it was three thousand because I
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: had to win my keyboard players thousand dollars back for
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: him because he lost his.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, doun't I got to Vegas song? It
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: sounds like this is your place.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like the craps tables.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's going to be my place from now.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't know.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And they have great shows. Did you go to any shows?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw. I saw. The whole reason we went
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: out there is I was to go see Usher.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So oh shit, that's awesome. Did you see his documentary
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: tour movie?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know he had a documentary on this tour.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It's like maybe it's like not this tour. It was
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: like one of his older ones where he does like
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I have a DVD collection of concert DVDs like Ushers
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: one of them, and it like his dance moves and
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: like he does his dancing and the shows, and then
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: does some behind the scenes stuff, like he was late
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: to a show one time because he wanted to spend
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: eight hours at the mall. He loves the mall. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like knowing little details about things, the people.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you're knowing these details about people's lives.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a music fan.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: He likes to spend time with the mall. I didn't
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: know that about us.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he likes the mall.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: What else is in your your DVD collection, your music collection?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Destiny's Child at the Fox Atlanta.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, it was probably a great one.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: That's really, really, really good. And it's then I have
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the her other one where she has the all the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: ladies playing all the instruments. You know, she was very
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you know, thinking of things way before I even had
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: thoughts of things. But that one in Atlanta, that concert
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: is so good. Yeah. I've watched that one a whole lot,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: probably too much. I'm glad it still works. I also
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: like comedy. Do you do you know that Seth Galifianakis
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: live at the Purple Onion?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I think I've heard of that, but I don't think
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: i've seen it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: It's really funny.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that bit. It's like a small place, right, Yeah, yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: The purple and then he's got a piano that he plays.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: It's really funny. I really like that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people have told me about that. I need to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: see that. He's a character, that guy. I see him
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: around Venice sometimes.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And he's yeah, oh really that's awesome, just Chris. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: would like to run into him in Venice.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a good place to run it. Yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it's about where i'd imagine running into him. What do
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you spend most of your time listening to? Do you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: listen to music a lot time?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, like not when I'm writing, but I listened
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to music a whole lot. I mean, I'm still stuck
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: on the Scissor record. I got that. It finally came
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: to the male vinyl and the seventy six songs that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Tom Petty and then released from Live at the Film
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: or Auditorium.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an a mission like Scissor hasn't quite
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it's been years now. I mean, I don't know, maybe
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: this will never happen, but okay, it's hit for me yet.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, so there's this song, let me get my record
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: or quick so I can tell you. Yeah, this is
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: really good. Ray Charles at to Newport. That record playing
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: with the Horn, That one's so good. That's a rare one.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I don't have that on vinyl or nothing, but I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: listened to that all the time. That's great.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: It's you gotta find. It's hard to find, but you could.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: The one that she has is if to start, If
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you need to start first, this is awesome record cover
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and there's on side three it says nobody gets Me.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: That's good, and then you know the other songs are
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: really good. She's a fantastic writer.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Friend helped write a lot of that record too.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Tell your friend, Tell your friend, I'm interested in writing
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: with that friend. Yeah, why not. I'm interested as hell
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: this This song's are fantastic.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I'll text them as soon as we text him.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I but that song Nobody Gets Me. I think that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a good place to start because you know it's it's soulful.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They don't usually lead with the soulful tracks when they're
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: releasing a record, you know, they tend to put the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: other types out there.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah first, that's why I like, That's why, that's why
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to bring it back. Because I'm a master at what
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm just joking. Take it like a man,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: because it leads me Hot for the Dove. It leads
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: off and it's just soulful the whole way through Man
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and it ends the last track My Own Galaxy is
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: also an incredible song, and I love it also so
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: full its way, but then it ends like it's like
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a heater that guitar solo into your violin, into your fiddle.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you want to call it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Either way, it's a violin when you're selling it in
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a fiddle, when you're.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Buying it violent, it's incredible. And then if you listen
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to that motherfucker, cause I'm laying my turntable's broken, so
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I just do almost all listening on streaming now. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: if you listen to it with like the record repeating
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, the little the transition from the end
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of My Own Galaxy back into Hawk for the Dove
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is that's a great.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Somebody's doing it right. I always wonder if somebody's doing
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: it right.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Are you going to continue working with
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Lawrence on that?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I feel like we still have much
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to to see about in the music musical world, you know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I think we work well together and all that. But yeah,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: if they want to, I bet why wouldn't they want to?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Christmas record?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what else are they going to do better?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? You are? And you also have the high women going.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Still does that still feel like? Does that still feel fun? And?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Oh that one's real fun? It kind of During COVID
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: we of course couldn't play it. Our shows got canceled.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Then afterwards everybody's doing their own thing. But we played
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: at the Gorge recently and Maren Morris, my friend, she
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: said that we were making a new record, so we
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: will be doing that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: You guys are gonna make a new record.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we are. We talked about that. She brought
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it up on stage this time. It wasn't me that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: let the cat on the bag. So I it's like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: good job not sharing too much shows because I've done
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that before with that group and it was over spoke
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: too soon and.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Well that's all your friends, right, So is it like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: if you do mess up, it's all it's all love, right,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it's all love.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: No, it's all love, it's all love. We're we're we
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: used to say we got married first, then learned each
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: other and now now are now we know each other
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: really well and it's like perfect less nerve wracking.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Do you have songs that you've written specifically for that project?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Our plan is to continue sharing our songs with each
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: other and you know, find a date to start recording
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: and may the best song win again? Was how we
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: did it last time?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: How do you then? Okay, so hold on? So obviously
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: four of y'all incredible artists on your own coming together
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: do the high women when you bringing a song to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: hopefully get them to pick up? Like, how do you
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: balance keeping songs that you love for your own sort
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of record and how knowing that you sort of need
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to bring sort of the best the best to that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: group of.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: To me, in my mind, I'm a little bit it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: easier for me to compartmentalize the two things for my
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: own work. It's it's it's well, while the Highwayman was
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: my idea, yes, but it's the subject matter of that
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: is more about. I say that we'll always be playing
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and singing as long as there's a reason and there
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: are reasons still for that band to go on, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: that's for you know, to keep widening the path for
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: all people women and everybody else in country music to
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: tell stories and you know, talk about everything from just
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the way that we would like to see the world
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: different basically, and then in our own personal stuff. Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: we could do that, but to me, it feels easier
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: to do in a group scenario sing about things that
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: are you know, the injustices of the world or the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: ways that not everybody's equal in in a group, it
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: feels more comfortable for me and more safe to do
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: to make it feel more like a gang and solo.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I've done a couple of things like that, and it's
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: just it's just it's hard because you have you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it's just you singing that song about abortion. There's you
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: singing that by yourself up on stage. And I just
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like the that it feels safer to do with with
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: other folks on stage that feel the same way as
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you do. And then with my own music too. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: don't wanna be singing all those songs all the time,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and I want to sing songs and make them up
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and make the world change. I don't wanna be l
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: living these songs and seeing how slow it is every
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: day that that get me down at a bog. So
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I have other things I want to explore, either via
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: my own self and stories or the stories that other
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: people tell me within their you know, life s ups
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and downs, woes and whatever. I don't really write joyful songs,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: so just be dirges, Amanda Shires and her dirges.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but you know, I guess something about it. Like Neil
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Young Southern Man is kind of a dirge, but it
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: also is like, yeah, gets me going, you know, at
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: the same time, so can be it's not like you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: it can be both the dirge and sort of not
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: necessarily down because I wouldn't classify I wouldn't classified records
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: as downers or like, you know, anything makes me feel
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: doubt that's true.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: There aren't that. It's a You're right, Do you.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Feel like you're still exploring the same themes as take
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it like a man?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Is that there some of them? I do. I do
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: still think there's there's there's more to say about the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: nature of being a person that's multi dimensional. I guess.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I just do. I just do
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: my best and we'll see what happens.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: You certainly do contain multitudes and the thing. I mean,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: my own galaxy. That that that stuff you talk about. About.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like the position of It's like I
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: both you know, am doing the dishes and doing the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: grocery list and yeah, cooking up dinner and blah blah blah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: But also it's like, you know, there's.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: The whole nother me, or the dimension of.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: You beyond the domestic stuff that parenting, you know, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: marriage and family brings.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I can't say I experienced life the exact same way
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: as you obviously, but as a married person with kids,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: that does resonate with me, like that need, that feeling
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: of like man, I am like fuck, I am too
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: people existing at once, and how do I how do
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I saciate both things and honorable things? You know, that's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a tough, true, it is true thing to figure out.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It's a tough balance to figure out.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And then you do go to Vegas and you're like, damn,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I missed my kid. How am I supposed to have
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: any fun?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: That's always the damn catch twenty two? You can't wait
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: to get away, you plan it, you get away and
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: use pine for your kids.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, really sure?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Well cool, thank you for chatting No thank you. Thanks
• 46:22
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• 46:25
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• 46:28
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• 46:31
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• 46:34
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