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Surviving Domestic Violence with Author, Kendra Weenie · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Thanks again for tuning in for authentic living with Roxanne.
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  Today, I have a special guest, Kendra Weenie, Kendra and I, I initially met her brother, who
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  I recently interviewed on the podcast and, Kendra had a has a quite an intriguing path
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  herself, and I asked her to come on.
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  And, share his story with us.
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  So, Kendra, thanks so much for coming on.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Okay.
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  So I'm gonna tell you a little bit about This is an interesting topic and something that's
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  dear to my heart.
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  Unfortunately, having witnessed it as a child, It's, something that I can relate to.
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  And, Kendra has written a book, called Surviving Domestic violence.
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  And I'm gonna tell you a little bit about the book, and that's what she's gonna be talking
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  about today, predominantly some kind of things that are related to domestic violence and self
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  care.
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  Her book is a memoir that outlines the challenges of breaking out of the
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  intergenerational cycle of violence.
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  She shares a good experience of growing up in poverty in in on Sweetgrass First Nation being
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  raised by single mom and circumstances leading up to her former abusive relationships.
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  She says, shares messages of hope and self care while taking you on her healing journey.
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  I I would like to just kind of talk a little bit about that path, that life kind of took you
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  on and like I said, having, talk to your brother a little bit and spend some time with
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  him.
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  I know a little bit of the story, but I wanna kind of honor your space and and for you to
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  tell me about your path and kind of what things were like for you going up?
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  Yeah.
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  Definitely.
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  So We have me and Kendall have had the opportunity to speak at a few events together
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  where we were asked to go and, share our stories And I usually tell people we we grew up
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  together, but, our experiences were very different.
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  What I mean when I say that is my relationship with my parents was a lot different than his
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  relationship with our parents.
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  I'm the eldest daughter in our family of 4.
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  Kendall's the oldest child in our family.
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  So he was, more, how would you say it favored, I guess, being the eldest and only boy in our
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  family?
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  And because I'm the eldest daughter, a lot of a lot more responsibility was put on me.
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  I didn't have the closest relationship with my mom who was a single parent, unfortunately.
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  So and our dad was, an absent father, you know, to us growing up.
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  And I always thought I was closest my dad out of all my siblings, and I really needed him
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  around growing up.
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  So that really affected me as a child and as a young adult.
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  So I grew up having a lot of anger issues, a lot of resentment towards both my parents, And,
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  that, of course, you know, led to a lot of self esteem issues, I was never exposed to a healthy
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  relationship, so I didn't know what to look for when I started dating at the age of fourteen.
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  And, but the one thing I wanna mention, I also, spend a chapter talking about sports in my book
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  when I became involved in sports at the age of fourteen, it was like my anger management.
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  It was like a really it was a really great form of therapy for me.
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  It was a really good way for me to let out all that anger and frustration that I held towards
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  mostly mostly my parents.
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  And, but around that age, you know, I I remember feeling really just a huge lack of
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  love overall.
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  I was struggling a lot with my mental health I don't I don't actually open up about it a lot
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  in the book, but I've always struggled with anxiety and depression growing up.
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  I just don't talk about detail in my book or even now, like, usually I'll talk about it
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  during, when I go to see my counselor.
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  But not so much with, like the work that I'm doing.
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  So I was having a lot of, you know, mental health issues and, even suicidal thoughts.
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  Like, my thoughts got that dark at that age.
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  And I thought, well, if you know, no one's gonna love me at home.
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  I'm gonna go find a boy to a boy to love me.
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  So I thought finding somebody to love me was the answer to all my problems.
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  That's that's what that's where my mind was at that, vulnerable age.
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  So I started dating with no standards.
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  It was pretty much, you know, boy like me, then then we're going out.
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  And, for 10 years, I was just kinda caught up in this, destructive dating, phase where
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  towards the end of that 10 years, I was attracting the same types of partners.
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  I found myself attracting, guys who were controlling, guys who usually had some kind of
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  addiction, usually it was alcohol, alcoholism, and just really, really, I was caught up in a
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  cycle of toxic relationship because I was drinking at that age too.
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  I drank quite a bit, and usually that's how I would end up meeting my partners, you know, in
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  my in my early twenties.
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  And then by the time I was 24, I graduated from the it's called the ITEP program at the
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  University of Saskatchewan one.
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  So it's a bachelor of education.
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  And I remember this is the last time I, actually you know, kind of went out drinking.
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  I decided to quit after, I became a mom, but So that last night on my graduation night, I
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  decided, oh, well, I'm gonna go out and celebrate with my 2 of my, you know, best
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  friends and, go and meet a new man because I was, I was single at the time, and I was about
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  to repeat another very toxic cycle.
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  And so I go out to the bar and as I'm sure you know and the listeners know, it's not very hard
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  to meet somebody at the bar.
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  It's not very hard, but those are usually the worst kinds of people.
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  You know?
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  So I'm dancing on the dance floor and, It must have been, like, after midnight sometime.
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  And even, like, my memory of that night is quite vague because I had a little bit too much
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  to drink.
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  And I remember seeing this really tall, handsome, black men just outside of my circle
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  of friends that I was dancing with.
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  And what I remember from that night was I I'd never even been attracted to Black men up until
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  this point, but there was just something about him.
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  There was something about him.
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  Well, for one, he was a very handsome, like a very handsome man, very tall, and, I recognized
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  him from, a volleyball tournament, like years prior.
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  So there was a connection there, and I had a a reason to go and talk to him.
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  So I'm actually the one who pursued him and I started dating, like, almost immediately after
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  we met.
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  And I go into a lot more detail in my book about that night, like, from, you know, the
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  little that I remember and what Chris told me.
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  And then, like, after meeting him, getting to know him a little more, I thought I met the guy
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  that I was gonna end up with for the rest of my life.
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  I didn't know anything bad about him.
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  You know, he just seemed so perfect.
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  He was so charming, so funny, like, just Oh my goodness.
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  So many good things.
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  And, because I was caught up in that, all of that goodness, like, that I that I thought I I
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  thought he was the one for me And I was so, like, almost desperate, I guess, to, like, meet
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  somebody that I was gonna end up with for the rest of my life.
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  Because of that, I ignored a lot of a lot of the red flags.
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  I didn't know enough about red flags going into that relationship.
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  So just a couple that I wanna share, the first one was he wouldn't talk about his past.
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  He was twelve years older than me.
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  Or is twelve years old older than me, he would not talk about his past.
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  He obviously had a lot more experience you know, relationships and whatnot, but he
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  wouldn't open up about it.
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  And I kind of justified that by saying to myself, oh, his his exes must have put him
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  through a lot or, you know, making up excuses for him because I, like, fell in love with him
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  right away.
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  Another one was, he I didn't know about his drug addiction, but he was showing signs of
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  withdrawals very early on.
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  He would fall asleep in the middle of the day, like 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
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  You know, and then again, a couple hours later, he'd just fall asleep and take a really quick
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  cat nap.
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  And I was like, what?
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  You know, that that really threw me off guard.
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  And when I asked him about it, he's like, oh, I have narcolepsy.
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  Nurse, you know, and his story sounded so believable.
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  And so as I Oh, you poor thing.
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  You know, like, it just kinda made me love him even more because I thought he was being honest
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  with me.
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  So tons of red flags, you know, early on in our relationship, but, you know, I kinda look past
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  a lot of things, mostly because I was naive.
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  I didn't know, but we just kinda rushed into that relationship moved in together after 2
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  months.
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  By then, I actually found out about his drug addiction, got pregnant after 5 months, And by
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  then, I felt I remember feeling really trapped because I was already being abused emotionally
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  and financially.
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  And I was like, oh, well, this is just his way of, you know, trying to keep me in the
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  relationship.
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  And it was working because I felt like I couldn't leave.
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  And then 8 weeks into my pregnancy was the first the first time he became physical with
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  me.
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  And at that time, we broke up for a couple weeks and I told myself, well, man, I really
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  don't wanna be a single mom.
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  I saw all of the challenges my mom suffered through being a single mother.
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  I did not wanna be a single mom.
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  Secondly, I did not want my child to ring up without a dad.
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  Because I grew up without a dad, and that was very hard on me.
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  I didn't want my child having, you know, the same self esteem issues that I had.
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  And then the the third thing I made this agreement with myself that if he's a good dad,
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  I told myself, if he's a good dad, after our child is born, it'll make up for everything
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  he's put me through up until now.
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  Like, that'll, you know, justify everything.
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  So we got back together, moved back in together, closer to home, in North Battleford,
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  which is like 20 minutes from, my home reserve suite for us.
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  And our little daughter was born on August 9th of 2013.
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  So we named her Kaleya, Kaleya Marie.
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  And as soon as she was born, my whole mentality did.
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  Suddenly, I don't care if my relationship works out with Chris.
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  All I care about is my well-being and Kalea's well-being because I knew that you know, I had
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  a huge responsibility put on me now.
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  And if he wasn't gonna, you know, step up and be a dad, be a good dad and quit his
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  addictions, then I'm I'm out of here kind of thing.
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  So as soon as Kalia was born, I started to pray really hard every day.
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  Either for a way out of the relationship or for Chris to step up and change and you know, be
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  the dad he promised he was gonna be.
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  And, I'm not gonna go into too much detail about, What happened next because I go into a
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  lot of detail in my book, but long story short, my prayers were answered 8 days later.
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  Kalea was only eight days old.
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  And he ended up beating me so severely that I thought I wasn't gonna live past that night.
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  And it was actually prayer that saved my life in that in that moment.
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  And I I just felt, you know, after everything happened after I was able to escape after Kalia
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  was you know, safe and unharmed.
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  I was just so thankful.
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  I just felt so thankful.
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  That I was able to get out of there.
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  And I kinda made this deal with myself again in the back of my head that Obviously, I survived
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  for a reason.
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  There's something you know, it it probably has something to do with what I'm meant to do in
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  life.
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  And I decided the only way that I'm gonna move past this.
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  The only way I'm gonna heal and, you know, move on is if I start taking care of myself.
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  So I started doing that.
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  At first, it wasn't every day, but now it's every day.
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  You know, it took over 6 years to get here.
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  But I started doing a lot of things for self care.
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  So counseling, number 1, I started going at least once a week.
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  I share a lot more in the last chapter, but I'll, I'll share just a few here from, a list
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  that I came up with.
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  I started listening to my body more.
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  I started investing in myself.
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  So spending money on myself, stepping out of my comfort zone, which was so, so, so hard.
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  But, you know, the more I took care of myself, the easier it was.
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  I decided I needed to break that cycle of violence in my family in order to, set a good
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  example Changing the way I viewed things so that I'm not always, playing the victim, you
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  know, taking ownership of my own mistakes because Chris was my decision.
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  You know, I can't put the entire blame on on him or, the circuit circumstances that I grew
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  up with.
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  He was my decision, like entering that relationship was my decision.
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  And Stop I stopped comparing myself to others.
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  That was a huge thing that's really helped to get me to where I am.
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  But the number one thing that I always share with people is the number one thing that I did
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  to, I guess, accelerate my healing journey was to share my story.
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  So the first time I did that was in October of 2 2017 in front of, 500 strangers at a
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  conference.
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  It wasn't really it wasn't really planned, but, I was part of a youth panel and we were asked
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  to share challenges that we've experienced to get to where we are.
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  And I was like, I have to, you know, like, I have to I have to share.
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  So it
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  You know, so clearly, you know, you repeated a lot of patterns.
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  And I think a lot of people to your point when you tell your story, what I see, you know, as a
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  mental health and wellness specialist is that a lot of people like like you said, they replace
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  it.
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  They look at it as, well, you know, he's loving or he appears nice or he doesn't raise voice,
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  those types of things.
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  So it's almost like compensating in your mind because you want things to work so badly, and
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  that's clearly a lot of what you did.
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  Yep.
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  And, you know, that kind of, you know, speaking to the whole kind of cycle you know, when you
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  when you look at where do we learn about relationships?
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  Obviously, our first primary relationship is kind of important.
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  And then we kinda start to, you know, try to go out there and find that love that we were
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  seeking that we didn't get
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  as a child.
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  Exactly.
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  Yep.
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  And it kinda sounds like that that's what you did.
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  Pretty much.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  But it's, you know, you you left when your daughter was eight days old.
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  Yeah.
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  That that takes a lot because, obviously, you're, you know, you're still your home loans
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  are still swirling.
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  You know, you've been through such a traumatic events.
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  And, you know, oftentimes what, you know, with with women that are abused, they they sometimes
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  I think the statistic was something as high as thirty five times where calls have been made
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  out to the police before women actually make that step, which is very, very high.
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  Does that make sense?
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  Yep.
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  Right?
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  And then, you know, to finally make that step, like, you've got a baby, you're, you know, all
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  those all those dreams, but then something in you must have clicked that said, okay, Kendra,
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  like, enough is enough.
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  Mhmm.
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  And was it that was it that little face that said, she deserves better?
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  It would yeah.
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  And it was it was pretty much, life or death because I knew that what he was capable of had
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  I stayed.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  So when you go out and when you talk to, audiences, what's the primary thing that people
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  share with you about abuse.
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  What kind of things do they share?
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  A lot of people well, I've heard women say that, and and it's usually, a secondary source
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  that tells me it's not A lot of times it's not the woman themselves who will, you know, come
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  up and tell me that I didn't even realize, you know, I was in an abusive relief relationship
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  before.
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  Or, you know, I didn't know that I didn't know about red flags either.
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  I get asked quite a bit about red flags
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  So speak to speak to that a little bit more.
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  Like, you gave some examples, but define what a red flag is.
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  For anybody listening, that maybe they're kind of thinking, oh, I don't like my partner
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  sometimes or maybe he he or she's not bad.
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  But those red flags are some key indicators that it's enough for you to explore further.
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  I often say sometimes I'm gonna think something's a red flag.
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  And if we might explore it, we realize, okay.
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  In fact, maybe I'm a little bit, hypervigilance or, super aware, but if the if if the red flag
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  is not a red flag, it kinda bears up.
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  But if it's a red flag, it keeps showing itself.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  So it's I find that it's little, you know, patterns of behavior that you notice in your
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  your partner, or, you get these gut feelings you know, a lot of times it's you having to
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  listen to your body.
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  So if you have a gut feeling that, your partner might be you know, talking to other women, for
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  example.
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  Usually, your gut is right.
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  I I talk a bit about that in my book too.
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  So the the night, you know, when I was 8 weeks pregnant, I had this gut instinct that my
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  partner was up to no good.
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  So I looked through his phone and I, you know, saw evidence that, he was doing drugs again.
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  You know, so my gut that was my gut telling me that I need to, you know, watch out kind of
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  thing.
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  So always trusting your gut instinct because it's more like more than likely right.
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  A few other red flags would be You know, they seem too good to be true.
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  They're not opening up to you about a lot of things that you ask them, like, about their
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  past, they're short-tempered.
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  If they ever this hasn't happened to me, but I did a little bit of reading up on some red
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  flags.
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  If they ever embarrass you in front of other people, like, especially in public, that's
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  that's a red flag.
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  You know, just any kind of disrespect.
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  If they're jealous, that's another major one.
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  If they're easily jealous.
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  Yeah.
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  So ready, I think to to your points and and what a lot of people do is they kind of negate,
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  like, with with the with that gut instinct, it's really true.
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  We actually have, more nerve cells in our in our gut than we do in our actual brain Right?
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  So that makes sense.
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  So, you know, when we say I have a gut feeling, isn't any wonder.
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  Right?
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  So the with neuroscience now, they're able prove that that we actually get those messages
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  first before it actually gets, to the actual brain.
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  So you started doing certain things to listen to your body, Kendra.
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  What what kind of things did you start to do that helped you get more connected to yourself?
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  Cause, obviously, you've been seeing this from a very, very young age.
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  You learned you learned that your needs didn't matter because your parents were so preoccupied
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  with kind of their lives and their turmoil.
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  So somewhere in there, that little girl said, you know, what I need is not important.
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  So I'm gonna go outside of myself to fulfill my needs.
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  Yep.
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  So how did when what did you start to do to connect it?
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  How did you know you were getting connected to what was really good for Kendra?
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  Oh, man.
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  It took a lot of just trying different things, like trying different things for self care.
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  Mostly it was stuff that were free because, you know, I didn't have a lot of money after
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  becoming a single parent.
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  So counseling counseling, you know, getting that second opinion from a non friend, non
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  family member positive self talk.
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  I started doing every I had to do that every single day.
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  And at first, I, you know, had bake it quite a bit because I was never crying to myself.
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  So, you know, I've saved fake comments positive comments to myself when I looked in the mirror
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  every day.
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  But now it's like, I, I had to practice it every day so that it would kind of just flow
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  naturally, which it does now.
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  You know, I'm a lot kinder to myself now, but it's you have to do it every day.
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  Self care is something you have to do every day.
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  I started going to Reiki.
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  So for those of you who don't, haven't tried Reiki or don't really aren't familiar with it,
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  it's a form of energy healing.
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  So very fortunately, there was a woman that lived on Speedgrass, that I would go to see,
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  you know, every I tried year once a month, but, you know, I couldn't always afford it.
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  And, oh my goodness, like, Reiki really helped me to, just calm my anxiety because I had a
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  really hard time sleeping for the 1st year after leaving.
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  I was filled with so much anxiety.
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  I was in and out of depression and just had a hard time, Keeping calm, calming myself.
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  Some other things I started doing a little later on were I started playing sports again,
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  which really helped to clear my mind, you know, just getting active again.
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  I started painting, which was a huge stress reliever.
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  Like, I'd recommend art therapy to anybody.
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  You don't have to be good at it.
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  It's just it's it's awesome.
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  And actually deliver guided art workshops as part of my, my self care workshops.
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  Pension and trauma release exercises was another thing I started doing about 6 months
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  when Klaya was about six months old.
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  And same thing as Reiki, like, it just completely calms you.
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  And where did where did you learn these exercises?
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  So that one was introduced to me by a couple of old volleyball coaches actually in the North
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  Battleford area.
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  Marie Graw and Jackie Maloney, their certified TRE instructors.
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  So they, you know, invited me out heard about what I went through.
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  What's TRE?
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  TRE
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  stands for tension and trauma, release exercises.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  And they're very uncomfortable.
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  Like, you're it's mostly your legs that just kind of shake uncontrollably.
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  You don't really you can't really control, you know, the amount of shaking, but it's like that
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  your body just releases so much, negativity, you know, trauma that you've been through.
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  Your body's kind of releasing it.
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  And everyone's different.
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  Like, everyone is gonna react differently to it, but, yeah, they're I just found it really
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  beneficial.
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  Amazing.
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  Amazing.
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  So I'm gonna assume that someday you're gonna have to tell CALIA, some of the story about why
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  you left for for anybody out there that maybe knows that they have to get out of a situation
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  or whatever.
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  I'm
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  just curious what kind of words would you what would you say to CALIA when she is a bit older?
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  And she starts asking, I'm sure she's already asking questions.
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  Yep.
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  What do you say to her?
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  She asked nonstop when she was four years old.
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  She's 6 a half now and every single day because she would she just really wants a dad and she
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  couldn't understand why, like, her dad, she never even met him.
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  You know?
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  So I sat her down one day, and I told her in a very child friendly way so that she understand.
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  You know what?
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  Your your daddy wasn't very nice to mommy, your daddy hurt mommy.
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  And if we would have stayed, he might have started hurting you too.
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  And she's a very stubborn kid and she's also a visual learner like a lot of other kids.
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  So I kind of thought, well, you know what?
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  I was the same way when I was a kid.
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  I know I was the same way.
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  I was super stubborn.
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  And I was like, well, I don't know how I'm gonna, you know, get through to this kid, get
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  her to understand.
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  So I was like, okay, I think I have to show her So I showed her a picture of what I looked like
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  after Chris had beaten me.
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  And of course, it, it made her upset.
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  And she was, you know, getting upset and and but it took me showing her that for her to
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  understand.
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  And I thought, well, you know what?
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  I have to be honest with her because she's gonna grow up being angry angry with me for
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  with holding that information just like the way that I had anger and resentment towards my
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  parents.
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  So, yeah, just you know, just be honest with your kids in a child friendly way.
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  And that's it.
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  That takes a lot of strength, right, because you wanna protect her, but then again, You
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  don't want her to believe that you're keeping away hair away from her dad Exactly.
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  Without a valid reason.
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  Yes.
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  Gendrick, this is a a very powerful story, you know, because I think so many people struggle,
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  and maybe it's it's not physical, but a lot of emotional relationships and and they stay
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  because they stay for the same reasons.
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  I didn't grow up with a dad.
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  You know, my mom and dad, you know, separated early I I yearned for love, all those things,
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  all the same reasons.
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  And I think of my life story where I kind of repeated the pattern and, where there was not
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  physical abuse, but I made a a limited choice in my partner at 18.
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  And it's it it bur it burrow out in different ways because in my opinion, when you don't work
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  through the issues that you brought up with, what happens is it could gauge a bit
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  differently.
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  And after 25 years of marriage, my my marriage ended also, for the elements of the things that
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  blocked me from seeing what would have made me happy.
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  So, your journey makes a lot of sense.
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  I'm sure a lot of people listening men or women can also relate One words of any now you you do
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  she speaks.
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  She trains.
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  Now we I hear there's art therapy with the self care, which is awesome.
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  Tell people a little bit where they they can do and if they want to to come to one of your
• 30:30
  workshops or have you speak for their companies where they can get a w.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
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  So I have a website.
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  It's just my first and last name, kendraweeny.com.
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  That would probably be the best way to reach me because it it connects to my personal email.
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  So, There's that.
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  I'm also on social media, so I have a Facebook page called Kendraweeny speaking and workshops.
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  And then I'm also on Instagram, but again, like, through my website is probably the best
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  way to get ahold of me.
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  Any last words of wisdom for anybody that may be struggling with a decision about leaving?
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  What what would you say to them, Kendra?
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  I would say I'll actually leave off with the message that I usually leave off when I do
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  presentations, and that is everyone on this world is worthy.
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  You are worthy of a good life and you are worthy of healthy love, but you need to start
• 31:32
  by showing yourself love first.
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  Awesome.
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  Well, thank you so much for your time.
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  My takeaway is that, just to listen.
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  Something very basic, and I think, we get so harried in our lives that we don't slow down.
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  And the gift of presence and mindfulness is something that you can do for yourself really
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  quickly.
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  It doesn't have to be, you know, long extenders, but you can do to ready, to really,
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  whether it's to get out of nature for a walk or to close your eyes and and, listen to what your
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  body is telling you.
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  Just little things that you can do daily.
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  So, again, Kendra, thanks for being here for anyone who needs more information.
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  I'm Roxanne Derhodge a mental health and wellness specialists.
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  And if you wanted to know, you know, whether you are in a healthy relationship, you can
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  connect with me at roxanderhaut.com.
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• 32:34
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