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Trekcast 423: The Khan Strikes back · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Speaker 1: It's the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek podcast.
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  Speaker 2: There is just swaying to the music, feeling it, feeling
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  Speaker 2: it swaying like like Stevie Wonder. Yeah, there you go,
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  Speaker 2: love it, love it. Good morning, yeah, good morning man.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing good?
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  Speaker 3: Good? Welcome to Trek Cast, everybody, the Galaxy's most Unpredictable
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek Podcast. Uh, my name is Scott and with
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  Speaker 3: me in the other corner is uh Daniel Reyes.
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  Speaker 2: Right in the opposing corner.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the opposing corner. Round one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, I don't want to fight.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: How you been, man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I got a new set up here,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't know how my internet is going to go.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna okay here.
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  Speaker 2: So do you uh you tie up all the all
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  Speaker 2: the twine together to make.
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  Speaker 3: I got all the twine together. I got like four
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  Speaker 3: cups and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, hopefully hopefully Beyonce's Internet holds out for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we can hope, we can hope.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed.
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  Speaker 3: So what uh what are we doing? What's what's going
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  Speaker 3: on today?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're continuing our our trip in the Kelvin universe.
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  Speaker 2: Our main topic will be reviewing Star Trek Into Darkness,
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  Speaker 2: which I had not seen since I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: right around the time it came out. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a while. It's been a while. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I have thoughts. I have thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I've got one or two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got.
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  Speaker 3: On Blu ray. I've got the the Blu ray. Watched
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  Speaker 3: all the special features. Wow, yeah, some good special no
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  Speaker 3: director's commentary on this Blu ray.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Huh, they did not want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I do nice, nice, Yeah, I definitely have things
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  Speaker 2: to say. I have some observation, especially in light of
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  Speaker 2: New Trek. So oh yeah yeah, oh yes, so we will.
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  Speaker 2: We will definitely get to that. But how's your week
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  Speaker 2: beend man.
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  Speaker 3: We're going good. Just got a new computer, so that's
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  Speaker 3: why nice. Usually when I do the show, I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: doing it on my phone.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a batlift behind you?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? That is a battleft behind me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: That's good. I haven't I haven't really set up the
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  Speaker 3: office yet, Like I gotta I gotta cover this window.
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  Speaker 3: Probably yeah, that or I actually got another Star Trek
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  Speaker 3: banner I can put right there just to oh okay,
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  Speaker 3: to not be so right right right.
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  Speaker 2: That's the technical term for it.
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  Speaker 3: Is, yeah, you know, you don't want too much of
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  Speaker 3: the That's what all the the engineers like doing movies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like JJ Abrams would be like actually, jj
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  Speaker 3: Abrams would be like, give me.
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  Speaker 2: More, you know, yes, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Shine is flashlight in the camera. So yeah, so we're I'm,
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  Speaker 3: you know, got a new set up so I can
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  Speaker 3: actually I can actually see you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you're like, you're like this big to me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're just.
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  Speaker 3: And I can see the chat window.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's right, we got the chat.
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  Speaker 3: If the internet holds out, then.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be unstoppable.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be unstoppable.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: How about you? How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 3: Good? Trying to think?
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  Speaker 2: What have I I've been working on my script basically,
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  Speaker 2: just same as always. Okay, I did see that you're
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  Speaker 2: building a some sort of closet storage unit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, down at the end of the like Chad, what's that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: where we keep Chad, end of the hallway. Uh, there
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  Speaker 3: was just this empty space and I'm I sort of
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  Speaker 3: forced gumped my way through making a making a closet
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  Speaker 3: or making it like a four door cabinet, and okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'll post some pictures. I think it turned up pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: But the cabinet is is down a hallway. Well, it's
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  Speaker 3: at the bottom of the stairs, and that's where I've
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  Speaker 3: hung up all my like celebrity photos and stuff. Oh nice,
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  Speaker 3: I've got pictures of me next to you know, some
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek celebrities and stuff like that. So yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 3: have to. I'll take some pictures and post on the
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  Speaker 3: Facebook group.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, very cool. Oh, good morning jazz Biz, he says,
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  Speaker 2: good morning Jazbiz. Yeah, all right, So, well what's going
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  Speaker 2: on with me? Yeah, okay, well I guess with that,
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  Speaker 2: LUI should get to the Star Trek News.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it Star Trek News.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So our first news story comes to us
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  Speaker 2: from news Week. Let me just pull that up here
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  Speaker 2: right now. And this is kind of interesting. So Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: freaks Riker is saying the news Star Trek series is
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  Speaker 2: for hardcore fans.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: At a recent UH Comic book convention in Indiana, UH
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Rinkx was part of a panel with Brent Spiner
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  Speaker 2: and Denise Crosberry Crosberry at Crosby.
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  Speaker 3: I like it's early.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, everyone everybody loves that Crosberry favor rights. I love
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  Speaker 2: it amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: A fan asked, you know what can we expect with
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  Speaker 2: Star Trek Starfleet Academy, right? Is it going to be
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  Speaker 2: geared more towards younger viewers or longtime fans, to which
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  Speaker 2: Riiker said, oh boy, baby, it's so much more hard
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  Speaker 2: for hardcore start Trek fans than you happen to know.
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  Speaker 2: He says, yes, there are young people in it, but
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  Speaker 2: the movie stars run. It's the show basically, And when
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  Speaker 2: he says movie stars, he's referring to uh, Paul Giamadi
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  Speaker 2: and Helen Hunter on a Holly Hunter who were in
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  Speaker 2: it as well. Okay, so he also did kind of
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  Speaker 2: give us a little bit of a spoiler. He said
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't sure if he was supposed to talk about
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  Speaker 2: it or not, but then he went and talked about
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  Speaker 2: it anyways, And apparently the Starfleet Academy will have their
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  Speaker 2: own ship, much like DS nine had the Defiance.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I feel like we knew that before, did we?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I could be wrong, you know that'd be something
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  Speaker 3: that I mean, I guess we don't know a lot
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  Speaker 3: about Starfleet Academy as.
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  Speaker 2: It's whatever they want it to be, and we.
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  Speaker 3: Really don't know anything about Starfleet Academy in the ninety
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  Speaker 3: seventh century.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, whatever, So yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: They can have their own ship. I mean, Red Squad
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  Speaker 3: uses the ship.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah whatever that can do whatever they want. I you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's either going to be really good it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I love that it says at the bottom of the
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  Speaker 2: of the story that Starfield Academy is set to release
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  Speaker 2: either later this year early twenty twenty six, because nobody knows.
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  Speaker 3: No, nobody knows, And didn't it say that it's also
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  Speaker 3: they filmed. It's already filmed, like it's already done.
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  Speaker 2: They finished principal shooting already, but they still got to
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  Speaker 2: go do the special effects and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, if they need any help, I've I've
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  Speaker 3: I've put together a couple of YouTube videos, so I'm sure, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit more complicated than that.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit. Okay, they probably use a little bit
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  Speaker 3: better at video editing that I have. Yeah, they're probably
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  Speaker 3: not using.
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  Speaker 2: Cap cut no, no, no, no, no, they're probably using Premiere, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or probably Final Kodek Well, probably Premiere. The Final Codex
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  Speaker 2: is another one. Yeah, I don't know. Man, what does
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  Speaker 2: this make you feel? With Riker saying this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be for the hardcore fans?
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  Speaker 3: Look, everybody knows I'm a huge Jonathan Frakes fan. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: he's he's done some great things for Star Trek. He's
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  Speaker 3: not per you know, he's but I'm a big fan
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  Speaker 3: of his, and if he says it's gonna be great,
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  Speaker 3: I have no reason to not believe him at this point. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna jump right into academy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it if it makes me feel like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're we're on a good we're on good,
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  Speaker 2: solid crown now, I don't think it alleviates that sort
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  Speaker 2: of hesitation, right. I do think it's interesting that very
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  Speaker 2: clearly they know there is some trepidation with this series
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  Speaker 2: that people are not this is not the series that
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  Speaker 2: we want.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well, uh shaka, when the walls fell, I
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  Speaker 3: will go in this, you know, strong beard his eyes
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  Speaker 3: open right right? Nice?
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  Speaker 2: I like that I like that. Jazus says, I want
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  Speaker 2: it to be good. Yeah, we we all do, buddy,
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  Speaker 2: We we all want it to be.
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  Speaker 3: Good very much so because we're we're I feel like
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek as a franchise, as as a cultural phenomenon,
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  Speaker 3: is standing at a precipice. And and there's really only
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  Speaker 3: two directions that can go. Yeah, and I don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't want Star Trek to die this year or next year,
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  Speaker 3: because you know it, it just came back, baby, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And it just came back, and and it's back, and
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  Speaker 3: it's got shows, and it's got I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 3: kind of a movie, and but it's it's it's it's
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  Speaker 3: here right now. Let's let's grab a hold of it
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  Speaker 3: and hold on to it as best we can. You
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  Speaker 3: hear that, Paramount, don't don't screw this up.
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  Speaker 2: Frost Back says, it's gonna be uh Disco Prodigy mixed
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  Speaker 2: with them, ah doctor.
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  Speaker 3: I mean theoretically, there was parts of Discovery I liked.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who doesn't like the holographic doctor, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and for those who watched Prodigy, it's not bad.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, maybe they'll surprise us, hopefully, so,
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  Speaker 3: and as much as I hate Paul Giamatti, maybe hates
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  Speaker 3: not strong enough a word, I despise Paulamati, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people do like him. Yeah. So, and and I've
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  Speaker 3: been I've been told by other people that he's a
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  Speaker 3: really good actor, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've had two on screen incarnations as the Rhino,
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  Speaker 2: and he's the best one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I could agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Okay, I don't know what that says, but
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  Speaker 2: it's weird that there's two.
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  Speaker 3: Of them, right, Yeah, So all right, all right, I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited for Academy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll go with that. All right, Let's go to
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  Speaker 2: our next news story. And this comes to us from
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  Speaker 2: Ours Technica. I thought this was a fun little story
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  Speaker 2: and I thought you would enjoy it. So apparently there
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  Speaker 2: is a trial going on right now in the the
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  Speaker 2: Court of Appeals in DC, and a computer scientist is
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  Speaker 2: trying to register an art of work on art artwork
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  Speaker 2: that was created by artificial intelligence. But the computer scientist
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  Speaker 2: is basically saying, hey, I made the AI for this thing, so, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I should get the copyright on this piece of art
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  Speaker 2: that it created. Right, So, in their rule to dismiss Uh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's rule. You know, this guy's case. They cited
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  Speaker 2: Data and I love it. They they pointed out to
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  Speaker 2: Data's very famous poem about his cat. Yes, and they
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  Speaker 2: you know the poem. What was the name of the poem,
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  Speaker 2: do you remember?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Feelis catechists, feelis catus?
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  Speaker 3: Does your textom no? Clinch? Yeah, I remember? Yeah. And
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  Speaker 3: and it's slightly less known sequel. Uh, it was called
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: ode to Spot and it's slightly less known sequel Spot
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  Speaker 3: to the Deuce. Yes, that was that premiered on this
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  Speaker 3: very podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so so one of the judges that's a three
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  Speaker 2: judge panel, right, but one of the judges in her
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  Speaker 2: in her ruling basically saying yeah, buddy, no, you can't
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  Speaker 2: do that, basically says that, look, uh, that's neat that
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  Speaker 2: you brought up data. Because the guy originally brought up data, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if data is like making poems and pieces of art,
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  Speaker 2: like he could copyright it. First off, dude, that's a
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  Speaker 2: fictional television show. That's that's not real life. You know. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's just let's just start there. But then the
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  Speaker 2: judge went on does basically say, uh, data might be
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  Speaker 2: worse than chat gpt at writing bulletry citing his poem Wow,
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  Speaker 2: but his intelligence is comparable to that of a human being.
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  Speaker 2: If AI ever reached data levels of intelligence, then maybe
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  Speaker 2: copyright law could shift. But until then, no.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, yeah, okay, Look in the next ten years.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this before, about AI and what I
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  Speaker 3: think it's gonna be capable of, and we've talked about copyright,
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  Speaker 3: you know, especially considering the fact that I think within
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  Speaker 3: five years, if I if I want to, well, if
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  Speaker 3: if I want to, when they let me, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 3: sure that I'll be able to say, Hey, computer, I
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  Speaker 3: want you to give me Deep Space nine, season eight,
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  Speaker 3: episode one, forty five minutes long, give like three basic
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  Speaker 3: points that I want to see in the episode, and
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  Speaker 3: I'll be able to see a photorealistic episode. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: think we're five years away from that. Now, are they
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  Speaker 3: going to try to put restrictions on that? Copyright restrictions?
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  Speaker 3: Because you know, if I go chat GBT, from what
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  Speaker 3: I understand, there are certain things I can't ask it
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  Speaker 3: to create for me, whether it's because of copyright or
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  Speaker 3: decency or or whatever. Right, it won't give me an
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  Speaker 3: image that I ask for if it's against their policies.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know how far they can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if i'll, I might the system might be capable of
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  Speaker 3: fulfilling that request, but it might not allow it legally.
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  Speaker 2: So there are tricks around that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure there's yeah, you know, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you want to see something adult content that chat
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  Speaker 3: g GBT won't let you see. I'm sure there are
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  Speaker 3: other bots that will. But you know, that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a hot button issue in five yeah, like all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Mash season thirty starts showing up and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: wait what you know? Or or you know, brand new
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  Speaker 3: episodes of Deep Space nine and Voyager you're using to
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  Speaker 3: realistic age appropriate act.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot wait till I make Breaking Bad Paddington.
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  Speaker 3: You could do it. You'll be able to, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, if it's just a matter of if
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  Speaker 3: you go through the property, if you go through the
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  Speaker 3: legal programs and stuff, if you'll be able to do it.
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  Speaker 3: But oh yeah, in five years, photo realistic forty five
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  Speaker 3: minute episodes of whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Yeah, I think that's coming. I really
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  Speaker 2: do think that's coming. I think it'll be kind of
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  Speaker 2: fun though, if you can do that, if you could
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  Speaker 2: feed it like some of these comic book story arcs
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  Speaker 2: that went through, yes, like like what was that Angel
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  Speaker 2: season eight or Buffy season eight, or I think they
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  Speaker 2: did the season eleven of of Smallville?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, or like the book that I'm reading right now,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Star Trek the Next Generation teams up with the X Men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, stuff like that. That would be kind of neat.
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  Speaker 3: So in which Aurora Monroe is having an affair with
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  Speaker 3: Captain Picard.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: At least it looks like it's leading up to that.
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  Speaker 3: So okay, I'll uh, I'll let everybody know Picard.
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  Speaker 2: Is looking to change the weather. I see, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I predict a high pressure system coming through, not a
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  Speaker 3: cold front. No, not a cold front at all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, gotta.
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  Speaker 3: Be weird because I don't care what two actors they
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  Speaker 3: were to cut to cast in that kind of a movie,
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  Speaker 3: Charles Xavier and Picard are gonna look similar either way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's that's a bit of a problem.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good book, though, I'm having fun one, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 3: cool and it's an actual book, like an actual I'm
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  Speaker 3: actually reading words and letters and things, so.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, all right, And then our last news story comes
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  Speaker 2: to us from PAULI Gone, and I just thought I
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  Speaker 2: would share this just because it's out there. It's not
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  Speaker 2: really that big of a thing, but apparently you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's this whole it's it's uh March madness NC double
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  Speaker 2: a right.
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  Speaker 3: And because of that, go Blue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Paramount Plus is now reduced itself for students for
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: a limited time. You can get a year of Paramount
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Plus for fifty percent off as long as you verify
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: that you're a student. So I will have this story
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: link in the show notes. I think this is just
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in the US, but basically you would end up paying
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  Speaker 2: about thirty dollars for the year, and you would get
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the ad supported version of Paramount Plus, so you'd be
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: able to watch Star Trek.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's kind of cool. Just thought people would
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: want to know that if they don't already have a subscription, So.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think that's a good deal. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Paramount Plus is not worth ten bucks a month, you know,
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  Speaker 3: or fifteen bucks a month like some other like HBO
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  Speaker 3: or Disney, Right, it's definitely worth you know, the sixty
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year for the regular price had supported it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: It's definitely got some some good content.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it it's got a lot of the showtime
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: stuff too, which people don't talk about. Yeah, a lot
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of that stuff is pretty pretty quality programming.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And then the thirty dollars a year for students,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: that's that's a no brainer for me. There's a lot
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: of content for thirty bucks. Yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, you can watch your Paw Patrol absolutely, yeah, all
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: your Dexter shows yet Young and the rest, all the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: other Yellowstone shows except for the original.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, all the Yellowstone shows except for Yellowstone, right right, Yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I'm currently watching nineteen twenty three, so.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm watching a Yellowstone Miami. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it's pretty good.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's all Cubans, very angry, right yeah. Yeah. Kevin.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Kevin's trick, he says Taylor Sheridan, is basically it's his channel. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It's getting that way, man.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I mean all the shows you know, I've been I
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: just started watching Tulsa King. Yeah, I've watched Land Man.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: That was a good show. With Billy Bob Thornton. That
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: was a good show. Yellowstone eighteen ninety whatever and ninety
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Yellowstone Nights Yellow. I mean they're all Tyler shared. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: mean Tyler Sheridan is that. I mean, he's the man
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I mean they struck it rich with him, man.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he struck it rich with them.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, for sure. So all right, well with that,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: we should probably get to her main topic. Let's start
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Trek into Darkness. So get your flashlights.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Kids, fun will now comment.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: All right, So when we're talking star Trek into Darkness.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: This film was released in twenty thirteen, so it's been
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: what twelve years?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yep, been twelve years.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Surprised me, I thought, I didn't realize it was that long.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: That old. I know, I know, the time seems to
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: be flying.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I pulled up the Rotten Tomato score and I want
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to share this with you because I remember when this
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: came out, people were not happy, right right, So spoilers
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: if you haven't seen this film, guys, but come on
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and start drinking into Darkness. Twelve years ago. We've seen it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So this movie was not well received. People were mad.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I remember that they did a whole marketing campaign that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Benedict coumberdact character was going to be John Harrison, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: immediately everyone went, oh, it's going to be con and
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the studio kept saying no, not Cone at all. No,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you guys are still no. Everybody saw through the traade
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and uh. And then when it finally was revealed that
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: yes it is con. You know, people felt it was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: just not that great and uh. But critically and audience wise,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it's got pretty good scores. Okay, and eighty four percent
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: from critics, eighty nine percent from uh viewers. That's a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: lot higher than I thought.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's that's not terrible. So I don't know
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: what that says, but that's that's where it's at.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that says that a lot of you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, when when the Star Trek
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: came out, it got a lot of non Trek people
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: to watch. I remember about this last week. You know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: some of my friends that were into Star Trek really
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: liked the two thousand and nine J. J. Abrams Star
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Trek movie, and I think that that carried over to
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: this movie. And I think if you were able to
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: pull yourself away from Ricardo Montyman from Star Trek two,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: from you know, our extremely emotional memories of watching Spock
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: die at the end of spoiler alert, at the end
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: of Star Trek two, if you were able to pull
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: yourself away from that or not experience that in the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: first place, I think Into Darkness probably was a really
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: good film from a story standpoint. Star Trek fans, of course,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: were going, what the hell they they they're rehashing Star
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Trek two, and they're doing it too early, and you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: because you know, even missus Strongbeard was asking me yesterday
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: what time what was the original timeline for when yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Spock died and Kurt, I mean, was that and I'm like, no, no, no,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: space Seed you know space Seed is when they originally
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: did the con story, but the whole you know, him
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: being re woken up and somebody dying. So that was
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Star Trek too. That took place years later. It's very
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: confusing for even nonstar even Star Trek fans, right, it
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: was all over the place. Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Well, the film had a budget of about one hundred
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and ninety million dollars. It ended up making just over
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty seven so success. Yeah it made money.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It didn't make nearly as much as they had hoped,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: but yeah it made money.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So it made money. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Kevin Strickie says the big issue with rehashing his older
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: fans remember.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. Like I just said, you'd have
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to like remove that part of your memory in order
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: to really enjoy this film, because any Star Trek fan
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and I are gonna watch this movie and go, oh,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that's you know. He said that said him, And I
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: mean I remember they were trying to get in some
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of the scenes. They were trying to get the cadence
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: of it. In the original Star Trek two, after Spock
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: had done what he did to save the ship, it
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: was McCoy that said that, called up to the bridge
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and said better get down here, better hurry. And in
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: this movie it was Scott said it in the same
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, get down here, better hurry. It was
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the same cadence. They were trying to watch it, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, either be your own thing or don't.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Right, And I would say they would probably say it
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was an homage. I will say this about the movie.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I really like the score. Michael Gieno did an amazing score, beautiful.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Michael Geno has since done a ton of films. For
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: those of you who don't know, he did the score
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: for Jurassic World. He's done a bunch of Marvel movies.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: He also did Batman Rogue War. So this guy is
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: he's killing it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I really like the I don't know
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: who did the original Star Trek, the original two thousand
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and nine Star Treks. Yeah, I really like that music
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: that sounds. That soundtrack to me is in my top ten. Yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It's really good.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the score is.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I I will say though. So the premise of the film,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it's basically Ratha Con but Redone remixed. The the Federation
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: is attacked, there's there's some nine to eleven vibes there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The Federation is attacked and basically all of the top
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: brass of the Federation come together to figure out what's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: going on, and then that's when they're really attacked because
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: John Harrison aka Cohn knows their protocols and knows that
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: all of the leaders are going to be meeting in
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: one like situation room to figure out what to do,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and then that's when he attacks. Right from there, Kirk
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: is tasked with going to take out con and so
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: as they're on their way, that's when we have the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: moral to Malemma of do we just kill this guy
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: or not. Kirk is very much on the side of yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: let's just kill him, forget it, but Spock helps him
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: remember that, Hey, that's not what we do here, man
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and uh.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And so they.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Capture him and and they bring him they're going to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: bring him back to Starfleet. That's when they're interaccepted by RoboCop,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and RoboCop says, yeah, that you were supposed to kill him.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And and from there we realize there's a horrible conspiracy,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a proud tradition of evil Starfleet admirals. And and we
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: meet the Evil Enterprise aka the Vengeance. The Enterprise that's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I you know, and I'm looking at this. If if
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the Vengeance can be made like this, why don't they
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: just make all Federation ships like this? Don't keep to yourself,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I mean you've got I mean, he's like, we've you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: his his whole thing, robocops whole thing is we've got enemies.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: We need to fight them. Hey, I got an idea.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Make all the ships like your ship. Yeah, you'll just
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: really decimate anybody you come across. Romulins doesn't matter.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I think in the premise of the movie it was
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Kan who helped him create that ship. Okay, so that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: ship is the prototype, and the idea is they're all
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: gonna start being that way.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Sure, but.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because basically RoboCop is trying to sparkle war between
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the Klingons and the Federation because he feels like war
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: is gonna happen anyways.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, now, okay. For our younger viewers, the reason why
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: we keep saying RoboCop is because, yes, the admirals played
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: by Peter Weller, who famously played RoboCop in the nineteen
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: eighty in movie RoboCop, right, which if you haven't seen it,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: it's a classic, and you must stop what you're doing
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: after the podcast and watch it right away.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stop what you're doing, because I'm about to ruin
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the image in the style that you're used to.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, can I talk. As we go through the synopsis,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: there's this transwarp beaming thing that oh, there are going
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: to be so many issues. Yes, So okay, so I
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: guess now that Scotty that Spock told Scotty how he
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: made his own trans original original recipe Spot told new
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: recipe Scotti, this is how I'm giving you the transport
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: formula that you will come up with. But now you're
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: not going to come up with. But you got it now.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So now we can mean people not only at war,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: but we can beam people from Earth pronos, yes like that. Yes, okay,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: we don't need starships at all.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's one of the issues. Absolutely.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And and he did this like front, like okay, where
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: is this transporter system was on board this this attack
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: ship that he was in, this little tiny scout was else.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: How does this work?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: He did it like just from his pocket portable transmitter.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, pocket portable transmitter. I've got an issue with
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: portable transporters too. Yeah. They've shown little you know, data
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: one and Paris had one, and people have shown these
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: little tiny things the transporter system in the Star Trek
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Technical Manual. I don't mean to be get all nerdy
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: on you, but hold on, what did you say, Star Trek,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: the transport system and the Star Trek.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Warning warning nerd Alert, nerd alert.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: The Stock Trik Technical Manual shows that the t transporter
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: system is huge.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the computer just had that auto alert.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And yeah, in the tech in the technical manual, it
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: shows that the transporter system is humongous, right, it has
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: to be. There's so many components to it, and you
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: can't I don't care if it's the thirty first century
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: or the first century or where you can't have it
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: be in this little tiny there's a lot to it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: There's a ton to it. So yeah, that right there,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I did. Okay that now I could I could go
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: with a tiny little thing that connects to a transporter,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: like I have got this device that will hack into
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the closest local transporter and transport move I can get
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: behind that. So when when Paris and in Star Trek
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: in Voyager, when when Paris and Kim were in an
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: alternate timeline and they were trying to escape, he whips
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: out this portable transporter. I don't like the portable transporter idea,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: but if it's a hacking device that that sends out
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: a signal to the nearest transporter system and then uses it,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: that I can buy right right. Yeah. The one of
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the biggest plot holes in this movie is and and
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: in Star Trek, is this transwarp beaming?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't think it through when they came up
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It needed to have limitations, like it could only go
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: so far, or like you could build the device, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the device is like a one time use, and so
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: every time you wanted to do it, you'd have to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: rebuild an otherwise. Yeah, and it's got all you gotta
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: do is but like you can build the device, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it has very rare components, so it's impossible to do
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it or it's very difficult to do it, right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, I just he just used
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to He just used, you know, a commonly available thing
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: from Scottie.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you could build this. Yeah, he just mcguivered
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: it together.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah he watched the YouTube video.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So okay, So RoboCop is not happy with
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Kahan and Kirk, and so Con and Kirk decide to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: team together to take down the evil Admiral, and so
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: they transport over to his ship and they fight him,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and then from there, basically Kirk is like, oh I'm
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: gonna take our Con is like, oh I'm gonna take
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: my revenge and take this badass ship. And now we're
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: gonna go target star Fleet headquarters. And at that point,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the Enterprise is so just in so much trouble, so
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: so battle damaged that it really can't put up a fight,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: right and and so the warp core is offline and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: completely damaged. And so someone needs to go into the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: center of the warp corps realign the the flashlight or
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: whatever that things. And and once they do that, then
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: then power comes back on because at this point they're
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: free falling into Earth. They've been pulled into Earth's gravity field.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So Kirk makes the ultimate sacrifice, goes in there. He
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: he kicks the flashlight on, but there's so much radiation
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that it's it's it's a suicide mission.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And at that point, Spot goes to see his friend,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: but they are they are separated behind that glass wall.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Just like in Ratha Con when Spot gave himself up
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to save the ship, this time it was the opposite,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and Kirk saved himself up.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kevin's Kevin's Trek. He says he really disliked how
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: they switched up the roles in that scene. I didn't
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: hate it. I didn't. I didn't love it, but I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: didn't hate it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Like it's hard to talk about, you know. I didn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: want this to turn into I like Star Trek two
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: so much better than this movie, because obviously Star Trek
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: two was a better movie than this. Even though Star
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Trek two, I I'm in the and already start Trek
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: two is not my favorite Star Trek movie.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not my favorite one either. It's good, Yeah, but.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I gotta say that the scene in Star Trek two,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: it number one. The warp core is insanely complicated in
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: this movie. Yeah, it's it's a it's a Budweiser factory
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: meets the iPhone store meets an electrical power plant all
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: rolled into one. And I get that a warp drive
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: is probably complicated, and we've been spoiled over the years
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: with simplified warp drives. But the way that Spock in
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Star Trek two fixed the warp core, it seemed more intimate.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: The narrel he was in felt more intimate, the camera angles,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the fact that he was his face was literally all
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: up into the whatever radiators, radiation it was spewing out,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: it was right there.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: That scene is so iconic it's even been meaned to death,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: like this ship a.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, mobcat yep, Yeah, Spock doing that doing a death
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: scene is so much more, is so much I was
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: gonna say, so much more better, so much more better
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: than so much better than Kirk doing a death scene,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: especially knowing that Kirk's not really gonna die.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Right, but just the physical act of him saving the ship,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the simplicity of removing that thing, putting his gloved hands
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: into the thing. In Star Trek two, it was sort
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: of all up in his face. I thought the makeup
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: was better in Star Trek two. Yeah, radiation damage. I mean,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: it just it was more personal, it was I just
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: it drew me in more than then jumping up on
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the monkey bars and swinging and kicking it it just right,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: you know, I didn't. I know, you can't see radio,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: but they did a very good job visualizing it in
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Starter two.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: They they then, you know, so Kirk is dead, Spock
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: decides he's gonna go after Khan and get revenge for
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: his friend. So, uh, they they basically go down to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Earth because now that the work core is back online,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: they can they can operate the enterprise. They go to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Earth and Spock goes after him, which physically makes sense
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: because Con is an augment. CON's got super strength. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: then Vulcans are stronger than humans, so they more physically
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: match up. So I did like that part of it,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that aspect. Yeah, that made sense to me, you know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And so they fight and eventually Spock wins with the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: help of Ahura and and so they were able to
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: capture Khan.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: What we had then learn is that kN has a
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: very special uh situation with his blood, and they use
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: it to then save Kirk and resurrect him. We are
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: introduced to con magic blood.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think it sets up the next
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: movie very well because now we're in a federation that
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: has no death, that has no disease. Everything is fine.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: It's a true utopia. What will they do for the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: third film? We can go anywhere and we could live forever. Indeed,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: we have immortality with our magic.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Blood from a genetically enhanced individual that was created in
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties, and.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: We have him frozen back in his cryo tube, so
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: we can literally pull more magic blood whenever we need it,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: whenever we want. We've got seventy other ones.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Plus you know, that's the second plot hole. That's the same.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the biggest plot hole, right there.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a problem with just how far would
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: genetic manipulation help you create a super being. I'm not
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: sure that genetics alone would be able to allow you
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: to take Kirk knee kicks to the face over and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: over and over again. I mean, he doesn't have in
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: vulnerable skin. He's just like even if he was three
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: times as strong, yeah, okay, and twice as intelligent. Yeah
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: you know I was twice as intelligence. That was still
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: give him an IQ of two hundred, and he would
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: still be And if his three times as strong, he
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: would still be able to bench press six hundred pounds, right,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you know that makes him I mean he that makes
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: him like incredibly yeah powered, But like the way they
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: portrayed it in this he was he had like I
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: don't I don't know, it was like Superman's strength. He
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: could when when Kirk was beating him and just mercilessly I.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Didn't and and Kait wasn't flinching and didn't show not
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a cracked lip or or a face or nothing.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: That was a little unrealistic to me.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I was very frustrated with the Magic Blood.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I was very frustrated with that storyline, plot hole that said, though,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: going back to this movie in the wake of Discovery
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Picard the earlier seasons, perhaps to paraphrase Thanos, perhaps we
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: judged you too harshly.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Because I went through it and I was like, this
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: isn't great, but it's not terrible.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: It's not terrible. Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching the film, I really yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I will say I very much got the vibe of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: strange new worlds throughout the movie.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely well. Well, and that brings up another point
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: something that they tried to do in the last movie
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: and they didn't have They had to cut it. The
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Klingons talked about the Klingons, So you know, the Klingons
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: came out their different look, they're different ships, and people
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: are either I don't care or all up in arms.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And what I wanted to talk about was they painted
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: themselves in a corner. And the card Season three is
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: a good, good example of why that's a bad thing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: When you're making these movies and you're creating new Klingons,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you have to say to yourself in this franchise, will
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: we ever bring back another character of this species and
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: of this character of the species, which character is the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: most iconic Wharf. You couldn't bring back Wharf and make
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: him look like that guy. I would burn Paramount Studios
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: to the ground. So why you've got a template. I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: not saying everything has to be a carbon copy, but
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: let's use the template so that we can bring back
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: characters like Wharf, because if you brought back Wharf with
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the original Michael Westmore makeup, you wouldn't think that these
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: guys were the same species.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: No. Now, and for those of you listening, we have
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: an image of the the in the Darkness Klingon up
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: there right now.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: He looks more reptilian. Yeah, like scales and not you know, skinfolds,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: and I get the jewelry there. That's you know, for
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: in the in the behind the scenes they talked about
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: the jewelry is like for every kill they have, they
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: add a piece of jewelry or body art or shark mutilation.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it reminded me more of the Discovery Klingons.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, very much. So, yeah, you can Discovery
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: got their influence from.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a lot of the same people.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: M hmmm.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I wasn't that mad about the Klingon
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: design at the time. But I didn't think it was
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a good design, right, Like, I wasn't mad that they
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: changed it up. I was mad that I did not
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like the look of it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean and like the bat leaf that
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: they had. It was clearly a bat leth, but they
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: had to make it different. They couldn't give it a
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: regular bat left design because of reasons. Right, I don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: think there would have been anything wrong with it, because
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: they had a really weirdly shaped the the the blade
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: design curved out but also curved in. It was just
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: just a weird choice. Yeah, it would you have been
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: mad if like just they were to hold in just
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: regular batlests. No, yeah, okay, no, even if like a
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: little more ornamental, like like the sort of kless.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Like if they had if they had like your like
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: your bathlet, right, but maybe put some I don't know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: saw tooths on them, right, right, just just to make
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: them a little bit different. Yeah, Like if you okay,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that that straight part in the middle, if you filled
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: that with saw too, so like you could like theoretically
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: cut through somebody. Right, Great, it's different, it's more it
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: looks more aggressive, and you've got your different design, but
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you're still within, you know, within this style. So yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: absolutely yeah. Kevin Dregge said their Northern Klingons. Yeah yeah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, so boy yeah again, I don't I don't
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: hate this movie, especially compared to like New Trek, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: just wasn't loving it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I didn't hate in the movie.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: What I did kind of love in the movie. What's
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: that Alicia Eve?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she is a tall drink of ice water.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Indeed.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: So Alisa Eve plays a doctor Carol Marcus in the movie.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: She's a weapons expert, yes, and that that kind of
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: tracks because she's she's the one that in the in
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: the original movies created the Genesis device or helped her
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Genesis device. So the fact that she's a weapon expert
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: here and with the Calvin timeline, you know, it sort
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: of makes sense that she's got an English accent, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and that's been explained away in the in the commentary
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: by that her admiral father sent her away to boarding school,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: so he, you know, resurrecting bad guys from the twentieth century.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: So she went away to England, still became a member
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: of starfleet, still became a doctor, but that's why she's
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: you know, a strange from her dad and went away
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to boarding school and speaks with an English accent.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, much like French Picards speaks with an English accent.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's the gratuitous let's put her in her
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: underwear shot for no reason other than just to do it,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: which people did sour on.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, from a move from a storytelling standpoint,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, uh, yeah, you know, but she's gorgeous,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: so I get right by the.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it, but it's not the movie
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: tickets right right, Yeah, I get it, I get it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: But yes, it was. It was a it was cratuitous.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: What else? Uh? I remember when it came out because
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I did like the first one, the two thousand and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: nine film, so and it had been a while because
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it'd been like what four years between the two, which
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: was kind of surprising. Yeah, I just I don't remember
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: hating it as much as everyone else, But I don't
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: remember loving it as much as everybody else. Right, But okay,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: what would you have done for a sequel instead? Would
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you would you have gone this route with con would
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you try to do something different?
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: You know. It's it's when you're doing something like Star Trek,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: and I've always had this thought about you have this
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: impossible thing that you have to do, which is appease
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: the fans. Right, So, you know, there's the there's the
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: on the one side, you want to give them something familiar,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: because there's Star Trek fans, because they like Star Trek
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and they like Star Trek things. Right. On the other hand,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: you need to bring a fresh perspective, and the fans
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: are gonna be pissed no matter which direction you go.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It's either there. They're gonna be like, what is this.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I've never seen this before? Why would you even do this?
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: You should have done a Star Trek movie, not this.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: And then they do this and you're like, what are
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: you doing? We've already done this, We've already seen this
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: do something, so you can't you can't appease anybody. Yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: but I think an original story would have been would
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: have been better.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So I think, especially with these Kelvin movies, because you
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: very early on in the first film, you say, basically,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: whatever your lives were going to be, it's different now.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: So that gives you all the possibility to do all
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the things right, right, And you've got so many decades
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: of Star Trek storylines to pull from, right, and so
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: what I would have done is, let's use this as
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to put the TOS crew in situations that
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: they would not normally be in, right, Right, So your
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: first movie was basically, let's let's put them together, Let's
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have them have an adventure, they fight Nero and and great,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: now they're now they're solidified as a crew, right. I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: think you could have done because one of the knocks
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: that we get with all three of these movies is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: that every single villain is I the Federation and I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: want to stop them, right and then and then are
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: our crew needs to go stop the bad guy? I
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: think you could have done something different completely. I think
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you could have done Okay, So, at the time, we
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: had Voyager, who did some pretty neat stuff with being
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: an isolated ship, right, and in the first film, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the crew is very much attached to Starfleet. You could
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: have done a thing where, very much like Voyager, they
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: are now stranded on the other side of the galaxy
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and they have to fend for themselves, right, So, so
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: now they don't have the support of Starfleet can this
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: crew still hold it together?
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: So that would be your your sequel film, is what
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I would do, right, And then basically like it's them
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: versus like an evil enterprise and evil faction that crew
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that is also stranded. And also like you know, basically
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: there's only one way out, but only one ship can
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: make it through, you know, yeah, and so and so
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: these two have to fight each other to get back
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to where they want to be. And then at the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: very end, what I would do is I would either
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: tease one of two things that the way through is
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: a Borg conduit and so now you're gonna do Tos
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: versus the Borg in your third film, or the way
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: through is a Q and now you're gonna do Q
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: versus Kirk okay for your third film. So that way,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you're it's different villains, it's different things. The other thing
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I thought about was, well, you could also do where
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: they set it up that Okay, it's a Borg conduit
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and they go through it and by the time they
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: get out, they land in the Gamma Quadrant and now
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: they're going to meet the Dominion. So each film is
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: a completely different villain. So like, okay, you're you're first
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: film is Evil Bad Guy. Your second film is Evil
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Enterprise Crew. Your third film is Evil Federation The Dominion. Okay,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: so that they're all significantly different, you know.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, and it keeps getting bigger and bigger.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Right, and the fact that that they're no longer connected
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: to Starfree, it gives you the chance to focus on
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the characters within the ship, so we get to know
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: them better, we get to see them, you know, co
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: and coincide together all together more. That's kind of where
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I would go with it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah, I like it. Yeah, you're you're
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you're obviously a writer.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I try.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I try.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin straight, I want to see more bonding and
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: that's what you do.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Something like that.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: You would get those moments because these are.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: That we we like it, you know, for all of
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: its flaws. We really like this crew. We like yeah,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: nation of this crew. You know, we we want to
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: see more of it, you know, even if you don't
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: agree with some of the relational things, you know, like
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you know, the in in the movie, they they definitely
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: delve a little bit more into the spock Ohura relationship,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: which in the original series and Strange New Worlds would
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: be icky, but in in this movie. You know, I
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: still think it's a little icky because he he was
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: a commander and she was a cadet.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's I mean, there's some power dynamics there
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that are not not the best. No, I agree, Kevin's trecky.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: This is why Hollywood is stupid. Why don't you have
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: their job, Daniel, Well, I'm trying.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, uh, and I'm one behind you.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh you're trying.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: You've got by full support.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: That's right, two people.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Yep. I think I speak for just about everybody who
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: listens to this podcast when we say that the ideas
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: that you've come up with are fantastic.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Oh well thanks, thank you. Yeah, you're stroking my ego.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, well well we'll see what happens with it,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: all right. So then we got one more film to review.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: That'll be next week. We're gonna go Beyond Start Trek,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Beyond which finally we will get the return of the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Beastie Boys into Star Trek. Yes, yes, because that's what
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: was missing from this film, really.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: We boys.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, if if they were fighting con to Brass Monkey,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: it would have been so much better.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh my goodness, yeah yeah, So overall,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: what would you give this film.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Let's see on a scale, let's say one to five,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: one being terrible, five being it may be like the
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: best film I've ever seen. I would give it like
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a three and a half.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna give it a three.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's fine. It's not it's not great, it's
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: not terrible. I didn't hate watching it. I had my
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Big Bull popcorn and I watched it Friday night and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it was fine.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes with these rewatches, I just watched them in
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: the background. This time for these movies, I've actually sat down,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: turn off the lights, you know, popcorn, soa yeah, and
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: actually watched them like I was watching the movie I
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen for the first you know. So the special
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: features were pretty good. Yeah. About the you know, from
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the movie to the end that you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the movie, they talked about creating that
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: red planet with the white, crusty pasty people. Yes, they
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: talked about and this is why movies cost so much
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to make. They talked about, well, we're gonna go to Hawaii.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: So they went to Hawaii to look at the filming locations,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: and Hawaii it turned out was gonna be just too expensive.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: So in the end they ended up creating that forest
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: from sc that's crazy, absolutely insane. Yeah, they didn't want
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: any cg all those all the the the red stuff
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: that they're running through, that's all practical. It's all Every
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: leaf was stapled on individually. It was just insane. Watch
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: the special features that you've got the Blu ray. At
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the end of the movie, there's there's the sort of
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: like the it looks like a graduation ceremony it starts.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: They use some extras from an organization called The Mission Continues.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: The Mission Continues as a veteran organization that sort of
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: pairs veterans that just got out of the service with
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: some volunteer opportunities. So they're not in every city, but
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: they're sort of nationwide, so you might want to check
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: them out. The Mission Continues. But overall, they talked about
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: bringing back Khan and they sort of said, well, you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: we could go in a lot of different directions, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to go with Benjamin cumber Patch just because
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: he's a good actor, Okay, And they admitted that he
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't look anything like Ricardo Montyban. They weren't trying to
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: go for anybody that looked like Ricardo Montyban. Right, they
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: just they they they wanted to go with good over authenticity,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and some people might agree, some people might disagree.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: But you know, thinking about it, you could have done
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: something interesting with con too. You could have done because
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: this is a whole new universe, right, everything's different. What
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: if Khan was the first soon Android some sort of
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: enhanced people, they're enhanced androids.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because if you look at Yeah, because you
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: can kind of look at the timeline your prize and
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: then how it diverges during during the Calvin incident, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: you could kind of Okay, so they kind of say
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that they kind of went a different direction, and yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: they made yeah Soon type android.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have the conbat Yeah, because they.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Make in Star Trek Enterprise. They there is assume that yeah,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: it's up with genetically enhanced people.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Right, and so then he's like robotics is the way
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: to go and right, right, Yeah, yeah, that could be interesting.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: It's different. Yeah, it's just an idea. I don't know
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: like how far you'd go down that rabbit hole, but
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: it's an idea. Sure, Sure, I did look on IMDb.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I found one bit of trivia that I thought was hilarious.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: According to them, you know, take this with a grain
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: of salt. There's no there's nothing on here that cites
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the source for it. But it says, according to a
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: condition for Leonard Nimoy to appear in the film as Spock,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: JJ Abrams was supposed to make sure that there was
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: ice cream or coffee ice cream, which Leonard Nimoy loved,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: was available to Leonard at all times.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Well sure, I mean, look, if you're Leonard Nimoy, yeah,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: and you want coffee ice cream as a condition of
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: you doing the movie, Yeah, they going to get them
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: coffee ice cream.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, he's what in one scene basically, Yes,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: so he was there for two three days at most
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: at most, So yeah, that having ice cream onset totally
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: seems reasonable to me.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it should be worth noting.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Said on IMDb also that this was Lennonimoy's final film role.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it is true.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: So it made me. It really made me think about
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the next film, and I'm looking forward to seeing that again.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have not seen Star Trek Beyond since the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: movie theater.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, Yeah, so.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I'm I vaguely remember it. I have seen clips every
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: now and then on social media, but not the whole thing.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I think generally speaking, most people put Star Trek, Star
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Trek one or two thousand and nine was number one,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: then Beyond then into Darkness.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, I think that's typically how they rained.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, Beyond it's very good film.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let's uh, speaking of rankings, I did put
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: on social media to kind of get feedback for us.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I put a picture of all three Kirks, you know,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: live action Kirks, and I said, hey, which one's your favorite?
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And so we can talk about that, and let's let's
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: get to listener feedback.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Can we.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Listener feedback?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry to mean to cut you off, it's okay.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Can we tell people how they can be part of
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: listener feedback?
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so they can x up in the
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: chat and we will bring them on. I know Chas
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Biz likes to do that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: So if you're in the chat and YouTube, just just
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: type an X and Daniel will send you a link
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: to get on the show.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: To get on the show, yeah, just make sure you
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: have a webcam and Mike, so that way you can
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: talk and join us. We also do have a a
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: phone number that you can leave us voicemails and we
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: will play them on the show. Let me get that number.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: It is five seven zero six six one zero zero
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: zero one. That's five seven zero six six one zero
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: zero zero one. Love to play your voicemails. And of
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: course we're all over social media at trek cast tng
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: on Facebook, YouTube, uh, formerly Twitter, now x whatever that
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: one is, it's there, but you know, uh TikTok Instagram.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: The Instagram account is just blowing up lately. Man, Holy cow.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah good.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I did post, you know, hey, who's
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: your favorite Kirk? Hands down, far and away Shatner one.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Everybody loves Shatner, all right, But a lot of people
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: did put that they very much respected and enjoyed Chris Pine. Yes, yeah,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: there were For Paul West, who plays Kirk on Strange Worlds.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: It was a mixed bag. Most people did did enjoy him,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: but felt like they have not seen enough of him
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: to really make a decision.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah I don't like him.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's fine, I don't like it. Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: There were other people who did say, uh, the best
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Kirk was with Jim carrey on in Living Color, So
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I mean that's not bad. Yeah, yeah. And then one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: or two people posted Tim Allen and said that this
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: was the best Kirk from Galaxy Quest.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I can't disagree.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't either. That's a pretty strong argument. So yep,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: all right, Well we got Chaz biz.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Let me bring one emails too.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Oh you do? Okay? Oh, let's do email and then
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: we'll get chass On.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Got one here from Douglas Alexander. He says, I remember
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: seeing the first photographs of the Enterprise from this movie
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: in May of two thousand and eight. They had released them.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: They were going to take another full year to finish
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: the movie special effects, and wanted to give folks a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: little taste. I guess honestly, was not keen on the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: look of the ship, although I've come to love it since.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: But what struck me was the bridge, all that white
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: and chrome. The thought that I had then and that
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: I have today, is that it reminded me of the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: fragrance counters at Dillard's. Y'all's comparison of the bridge to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: the Apple stores apt but Dylan's has more chrome. As
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I said, I wasn't keen about the ship's design, but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I was eager for the new Star Trek. So eager
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: for the new Star Trek that I decided in my
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: head Cannon that this was going to be an alternate
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: universe story and as such I was going to love
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: it regardless. When that actually turned out to be the case,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: I almost shouted, but with the rest of the audience
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: in consideration, I did not live long and prosper. My
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: dude's Doug Alexander commander looks like he's a Star Trek
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: fan Club Atlanta NCC one.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Ooh nice out there in Hotlanta. Y yeah, I okay.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: As you're reading all that, all I'm thinking is like,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: how much does that enterprise smell like Axe Bodies frae Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: right right, yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I got another one, fast Fast Bob Okay in the UK.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Oh nice.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. He's the one that originally sent me a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: message on Messenger and then last a couple weeks ago,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: but I couldn't access messenger and do the podcast at
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the same time. Okay, okay, technical reasons. Hi, Scott, heard
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: your message on the show. Thanks for the email reminder.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: First thing I want to say is I'm a huge
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: fan of the show. I've been listening religiously since twenty twenty.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's talking about our show.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were forgiving my child.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I am a painting contractor, so work alone a lot. Okay,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: and when I have you guys playing in my headphones,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: it's like hanging out with my buddies. Okay. With the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: upcoming news about the con audio drama, I thought i'd
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: share two fan made audio dramas that I feel our
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: leaps and bounds above any of the Star Trek fan
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: live action shows. I've watched just one man's opinion and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: he basically goes on to share links to too audio
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: like fan made audio books. I'll send you the links
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: and you can wherever you want to, Okay. The first
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: one is TG Timeline. The other one looks like it's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: original series movie Timeline. He says both take a couple
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: of episodes to find their feet, but both are fantastic
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: listening for any Star Trek fan. So apparently they're episodic,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: and both are more Star Trek like than any modern
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Star Trek. Keep up the good work. Fast Bob from Russington, UK,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: So fast, Bob, thank you very much. For the email.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for sending that.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: And uh yeah, and and Douglas, thank you for the email.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: So keep the emails up. Treck cast TG at gmail
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: dot com or you can reach me at strong Beard
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: one seven one at dot com. So thank you very
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: much for that.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Awesome All right, Chasminin has been waiting, poor guy. Uh
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: he's back there with the with the God Send device. Yeah,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: you can't say this if I if I do it
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Cha get the right arms?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, not much? Would you? Did you watch
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the movie?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: No, but I've seen it. Yeah. That's one thing is
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: all these movies have seen so many times.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: That okay, fair enough beat for beat.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say this was my least favorite
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of the trilogy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the typical ranking for people.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just because he rehashed like a classic. It'd
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: be like rehashing Empire strikes Back or something. Right, let's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: take Empire strikes Back.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: And that's why that's why I called the episode the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: con strikes Back.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, or the Con Awakens, you know, like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Force Awakens is the rehash of a New Hope pretty
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: much right, so right, and you don't want to do that,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: you want to make something new or.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, because I did read
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: somewhere that originally they wanted to get Benicio del Toro
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: to play con. Would that have improved things.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: For you if you played it like the guy on
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Star Wars, you know, like.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: The Collector and Guardians a Galaxy.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but not yeah, not the Collector.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: He's a great actor. Like if he would have done
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: it like Ccario or something like that, Oh yeah, then yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: He could have been a very intimidating con.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, very intimidating because on the Sacario he's amazing. Yeah,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: and you can fill his presencies. Like this hit me.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Honestly when I read that that they wanted him, I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: could see it. Man, it would have been great.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I think it would have been great too. Or you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: gotta got a you know, Indian actor because it's Contoonian
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: saying oh yeah, yeah, you know, you could have had
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Dave Patel, but he's just not big enough, you know.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Well and at the time you're thinking twelve years ago,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: he was younger.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Too, yeah, and he just came, you know, off the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Oscar winning movie and everything, and so he was kind
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of a yeah, hot new item. But the thing he
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: just wasn't old enough. He needed to be more sure,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: and you'd have to have some actor like you said,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: like a Pinzio adopt Toro was somebody that's you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: somebody with age on them.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: What have you got, Keanu Reeves?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: I am gone?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't just don't kill his dog?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't kill.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: The Federation is fucked.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: The Federation has not been most excellent.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: It just shoots the whole Enterprise killed his dog.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Con Wick.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Let's sa this John Wick movies.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: He does the guitar riff on the Enterprise bridge.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, stallions.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Off the phone booth, flew in there and they popped
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: out of there, you know Bill and Ted that.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be all right, that'll be all right.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how would you rank the movie? Give it?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: What's my ranking? What's my scale?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Five stars?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Two? Two?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, two three?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: You know it'd be like a two and a half.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: So we have two and a half, three and three
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: and a half here.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, since you love your popcorn buckets, what should have
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: been the popcorn.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Bucket m a triple? Oh okay, yeah, popcorn bucket and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: the butter just stick on the side.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't want a vengeance popcorn bucket.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: It whether given it away. This black enterprise that that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: is so weak. Let's have an enterprise and we'll paint
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: it black.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, make it kind of a disci because they had
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: its sections in the middle that were hollow.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that that DNA
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: is there because it's a lot of the same people,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of the same people. They even do the where
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: they're shooting across from the Enterprise to the Vengeance and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: they've got the like heads up display and they're they're
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: in their suits and they're going yeah, like they did
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: that like I think twice in Discovery.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, I like that part. I thought that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: scene was really cool. I would My favorite part is
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: probably the first scene in the movie when they're on
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the planet.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: There's you know, searching, you know, ascending from the ocean.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Which made no sense.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: It didn't make sense, and I got to think, but
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: it was a cool Could a starship be underwater? And
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, from a from a leaking standpoint, yes, it
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: could be underwater because I would stand the vacuum space.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: It probably is. It's probably airtight from a pressure standpoint.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not maybe with the structural integior I don't know.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I could geek out about it, but well.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: The shields and all that, it would have made more
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: sense they're hiding from another It would have been better
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: if they're hiding from another planet or somebody else and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: they hid underwater because like the.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: They had been transported to the Delta quadrant and had
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: to get out of there.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: You know, even in today's technologies, you know, they've they've
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: painted the underside of jet planes blue. Yeah right, yeah,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: you know, so just paint some happy little clouds. Yes,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I'm in the Enterprise. Yeah, you know, I mean bird.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of like a green airplane when you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: see that, when it's covered in green and looks like
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a tree flying in the air.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I live by Air Force Space, so I always see
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the B one bombers and and all those flyovers.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: So nice.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: And you know when a B one.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Bombers coming, so yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Because it sounds like a rocket take it off.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's a rumble.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know enough about cars about that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a b one Bomber was was the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: main car in the Last Fast and Furious movie.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, is that the one that the Tomato
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: played in the in the Cars movie?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Yes exactly, Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. I don't need to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: know where I'm going. I just need to know where
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I've been. Nice. Nice, But I.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Wish they would go back to different aliens different Yeah.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing with Strange New Worlds. Yea,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: So it's strange new worlds.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: We just want more exploring in our exploring show.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Well and evctually have the bad Admiral episode, because you're
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: going to have a bad.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Admiral or a bad captain.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Someone's world going to break the problem.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: We want. It's like in Strange World season two what
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: we were saying, we want strange new worlds in Strange
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: New Worlds exactly exactly.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Well, there's other alien species you discovered, or you know,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: you got the oryons, you got the oh what's the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: guys with the yeah you gots or.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Or who were the two women that Kirk was having.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the cat ladies, the cat ladies avatar tails.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, spring some of them back.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: He was getting some tail literally he was getting tailed.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: In the beginning of Star Trek Into Darkness, he was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: in bed with two uh cat they had tails.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: They're furries. They're furries, okay, hurries.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to know more about
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: just say, Kirk.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Kirk species you wanted to explore.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Kirk has a green son out there, he has a
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Ryan's you know, yeah, andorian son. He has a cat son.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: You know, every species there's a bastard children throughout the galaxy. Yeah,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: that would.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Be a that would be a fun villain. Is like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: one of Kirk's forgotten children. Yes, it's like I'm gonna
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: come kill my dad.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah, I mean Star Trek.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: It would be cool if he was the alien. You know,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: he's he's forgotten because Kirk, you know, he's kind of
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: like Rikery, And that'd be a fun thing with Riker
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: because Riker was promiscuous, so he Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if if David Marcus now doesn't exist,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: because it didn't look like Kirk and Carol Marcus hit
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: it off.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, you know, it's the Calvin timeline.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: He could have a daughter because no Denise Marcus.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Denise Marcus, you know, because you Marcus.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Or just market Marcus. No, I like Denise Marcus by
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Margot Robbie.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, yeah that'll work, that'll work.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so you have Barbie yourself and yeah,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: do you know anything? Will they ever start Trek four?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Nope, Okay, and I don't think he's made.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you got your trilogy. You're done.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: They told their story. Yeah, I think.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: At this point, it's been so long since the last one.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been what twenty sixteen.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that, because yeah, because.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: The last you know, when track cast the last guys,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the original the og Crew, Yeah, that was
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: the last movie. And I don't think are they going
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: to review that movie. I'm trying to think if they did.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I think they did.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I remember they did a prequel episode like before, and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna see it waiting and waiting.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: It was like, yeah this movie Darren and and David promise. Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're right, twenty sixteen, so yeah, it's it's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: almost ten years of the nine years right now. So yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think they're gonna do an fourth film. Yeah,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't make sense at this point, just reboot it.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: No, it's doesn't need to happen. So and you know
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Antoni Yelchin isn't going.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: To be able to Yeah, that one was a killer.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: They could kill off this character. They could recast it.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: And I don't like the idea of either one. So
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I think that that one die.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: You know, well they always say went to another starship
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: or something. You know if they did it, Yeah, they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: still but is dead and they need to either do
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: another movie or do you know, actually do it maybe
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: a different series not focused on the enterprise.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: I keep telling you guys, man, they need to do
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: TG but for the movies, reboot.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: It, like.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as the movies whole new characters playing those same characters.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: They paramount would be rioted if that happened.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like rebooting the cardot Riker.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Because you just you just rehashed the card You just
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: gave these characters in this timeline new life that if
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: you were to recast them now yeah, yeah, okay, then you.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Would have to wait another like ten twenty years.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: You know from that the do Voyager Far and Away
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Voyager has the numbers on streaming. People love that show.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: I'm rewatching every Yeah, I think Voyager had more legs,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: you know, afterwards, because of streaming, because people didn't watch
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: upn and then they miss Voyager.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Hey that's a great idea. Yeah, let's let's do a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: Voyager movie recast.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Or what we would do we did a reboot? What
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: we would do with Voyager? How you would reboot it?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll do We'll do a show something like that.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: We still haven't done Enterprise though, because people feel it's
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: too close. You know, it's been like thirty years.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's coming up on an hour twenty. Yeah,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: you have one quick recommendation. Sure, sure, we watched. Uh,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: this movie had a budget of three hundred and twenty
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: million dollars.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Old The Electric State, The.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Electric State Brothers and we watched. It's with Chris Pratt
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: and Millie Bobby Brown. Yep, yeah, Brusso Brothers who brought us,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: you know, any game in the game Avengers. It's currently
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: sitting at I think fifteen percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Yikes, tomatoes.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: It was much better than that. My wife and I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: watched it last night. We very much enjoyed the movie.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: It was It's not at all anything like if you
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: have any expect expectations about the movie. Throw them out
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: the window. It's a great popcorn movie. It doesn't make
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: any sense. It's very silly, it's it's very emotional. And
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: just watched the movie. It was a lot of fun.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: You'll enjoy it. It's much better than fifteen percent on
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Rotten Tomatoes. So but the budget is what, Wow, three
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: and twenty million dollars. This is a Netflix movie movie. Yeah,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: it is fantastic. I really like the acting Chris Pratt, Millie,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Bobby Brown. They had some great, great chemistry as far
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: as like, you know, the old it was kind of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: an older brother, uh, you know, younger sister and peril
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: kind of vibe and it, yeah, it kind of it
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: kind of had mister Peanut. Yeah, and is in the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: sponsor of the movie, so he's like, he's kind of
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: a good guy in the movie.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Of the movie.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, they had many Player one vibes. So okay, okay,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: pretty Player one. You'll like this movie.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say it's more a fifty percent.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: I guess if it was me, I would say sixty
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: percent makes sense.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go to fifty. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: didn't hate it, and to me, it's like a maybe,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna spend three hundred and twenty million dollars,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: when not release it in the theater to recoup some
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: of that money, right, right, because even if it makes
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars, you still
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: get something. Then nothing.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: Well, and I don't know the history of the movie.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were going to and they just couldn't have
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: a studio.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Well no, Netflix doesn't release movies in the movie theater.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: There originally going to be a Netflix movies.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know any Yeah, anything that's Netflix is usually
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: primarily Netflix. You know, if they show it in the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: movie theater, it might be one week only. That did
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: it with the Glass Onion with Daniel Craig.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ryan to make it eligible for rewards.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: So yes, they'll they'll do that, but they need to,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: like I said, they need to have like a release window,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: show them in the movie theater. If they're gonna spend
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that type of money.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, because.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: They're going to kill the streaming model wasting money like that.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Especially Oh yeah tomatoes.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, all right, all right, well I think that's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: pretty much wrapping it up.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with Star Beyond.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Star Trek Beyond, all right, Yeah, way you guys.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see you guys next week.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Bye bye.
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