Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / The USVI And Their Motion To Exclude JP Morgan's Expert Witnesses (Part 2) (10/31/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:04Speaker 1: In this episode, we're picking up where we left off
- 0:07Speaker 1: with the USVI and their request to keep expert opinion
- 0:11Speaker 1: from JP Morgan out of the case. B. Dr. Melman
- 0:16Speaker 1: Orozco lacks expertise regarding financial regulations and standards. Dr. Melman
- 0:22Speaker 1: Orozco readily concedes that she is not an expert in
- 0:25Speaker 1: banking regulations or the Bank Secrecy Act and that prior
- 0:29Speaker 1: to this case, She has not even consulted with or
- 0:31Speaker 1: testified on behalf of any financial institution regarding human trafficking.
- 0:37Speaker 1: She testified everything related to financial services guidelines and regulations
- 0:42Speaker 1: that is not my area of expertise. In fact, prior
- 0:45Speaker 1: to this case, Dr. Melman Orozco admits she had never
- 0:48Speaker 1: heard of a SAR or a currency transaction report. Nonetheless,
- 0:52Speaker 1: despite having no relevant experience or expertise, Dr. Mel Menorosco
- 0:56Speaker 1: opines that JPMorgan complied with banking regulations and standards. For example,
- 1:02Speaker 1: she states in her report that JPMorgan redacted. She offers
- 1:06Speaker 1: the conclusory opinion that based on my expertise on human trafficking,
- 1:11Speaker 1: the policies, procedures, and internal controls used by JPMC were
- 1:15Speaker 1: consistent with those employed by others in the financial services industry. Dr.
- 1:20Speaker 1: Mel Menorosco also offers law enforcement opinions that are outside
- 1:23Speaker 1: her expertise and unsupported by literature. She downplays the importance
- 1:28Speaker 1: of J.P. Morgan redacted. For example, she opines that redacted
- 1:32Speaker 1: would not have had a statistically significant effect on the
- 1:35Speaker 1: prevalence of sex trafficking or the identification of victims or
- 1:39Speaker 1: offenders generally or on the identification of Epstein's victims or
- 1:43Speaker 1: to intervention or prevention to Epstein's crimes. She also claims
- 1:48Speaker 1: there's no evidence to suggest that Epstein's crimes would have
- 1:51Speaker 1: been prevented if J.P. Morgan had redacted. Rule 702 mandates
- 1:56Speaker 1: that experts stay within the reasonable confines of their subject
- 2:00Speaker 1: area and cannot render expert opinion on an entirely different
- 2:03Speaker 1: field or discipline. In other words, an expert qualified in
- 2:07Speaker 1: one subject matter does not thereby become an expert for
- 2:10Speaker 1: all purposes. By her own admission, Dr. Melman Orozco has
- 2:14Speaker 1: no education, training, or experience regarding banking regulations and standards.
- 2:19Speaker 1: She also lacks any expertise on law enforcement utilization of
- 2:23Speaker 1: redacted and CTRs and did not even speak with anyone
- 2:27Speaker 1: in law enforcement when forming her opinions. She should not
- 2:31Speaker 1: be permitted to offer opinions relating to banking regulations and
- 2:34Speaker 1: industry standards, including the importance of SARs and CTRs to
- 2:38Speaker 1: government enforcement actions, as those areas are, by her own admission,
- 2:42Speaker 1: outside the scope of her proposed expertise. C. Dr. Melman-Orosco
- 2:47Speaker 1: offers opinions that contradict the plain language of the TVPA. Dr.
- 2:51Speaker 1: Melman-Orosco offers two opinions that contradict the TVPA and therefore
- 2:56Speaker 1: will not help the fact finder to understand the evidence
- 2:59Speaker 1: or to determine a fact and issue. FEDAR Evidence 702
- 3:04Speaker 1: Courts typically exclude opinions that are contrary to the law
- 3:07Speaker 1: because they are not helpful and likely to confuse a jury. Dr.
- 3:11Speaker 1: Melman Orozco offers at least two such inadmissible opinions. First, Dr.
- 3:16Speaker 1: Melman Orozco opines, not all minors involved in the commercial
- 3:19Speaker 1: sex industry are trafficked, some minors engage in survival sex,
- 3:24Speaker 1: and some minors are not induced but rather engage in
- 3:27Speaker 1: commercial sex for money. This opinion directly contradicts the TVPA's
- 3:32Speaker 1: and the fact that she offers it further confirms that Dr.
- 3:35Speaker 1: Melman Orozco's inadequate knowledge and experience regarding human trafficking. Section
- 3:41Speaker 1: 1591 of the TVPA, titled Sex Trafficking of Children or
- 3:45Speaker 1: by Force, Fraud, or Coercion, Define sex trafficking to include
- 3:49Speaker 1: circumstances where means of force, threats of force, fraud, coercion,
- 3:54Speaker 1: or any combination of such means will be used to
- 3:56Speaker 1: cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act
- 3:59Speaker 1: or that the person has not attained the age of
- 4:02Speaker 1: 18 years and will be caused to engage in a
- 4:04Speaker 1: commercial sex act. U.S. Code 18, Section 1591A. Thus, under
- 4:10Speaker 1: the TVPA, minors cannot consent or otherwise voluntarily engage in
- 4:15Speaker 1: commercial sex, a fact Dr. Melman-Orozco admitted in her deposition.
- 4:20Speaker 1: The opinion should be excluded. Second, Dr. Melman-Orozco misstates the
- 4:24Speaker 1: standard for holding companies liable for sex trafficking under the TVPA.
- 4:29Speaker 1: She claims establishing actual or constructive knowledge in a third-party
- 4:33Speaker 1: liability case involving a TVPRA claim would require at a
- 4:37Speaker 1: minimum the availability of an evidence-based and reliable indica. She
- 4:43Speaker 1: testified it was her personal opinion that businesses should not
- 4:46Speaker 1: be held to a higher standard than law enforcement, but
- 4:49Speaker 1: when pressed, she could not identify the standard she believed
- 4:52Speaker 1: applied to law enforcement. When asked whether there were any
- 4:56Speaker 1: circumstances under which he believed a bank should be held
- 4:59Speaker 1: liable under the TVPA, Dr. Melman Orozco struggled to provide
- 5:03Speaker 1: the narrowest of scenarios. I don't know of any cases
- 5:06Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but a fact pattern
- 5:08Speaker 1: that I would potentially imagine or can conceptualize is there
- 5:12Speaker 1: was an overt disclosure by a trafficker to a teller
- 5:16Speaker 1: saying that I'm involved with trafficking. My girls are going
- 5:19Speaker 1: to be depositing cash into an account. I don't want
- 5:21Speaker 1: any record of that. Can you look the other way
- 5:23Speaker 1: and allow them to? and don't take their identification documents,
- 5:27Speaker 1: and this particular teller takes the cash and deposits it
- 5:30Speaker 1: in accordance and receives additional money for that, and maybe
- 5:33Speaker 1: several other tellers are made aware of it, as well
- 5:36Speaker 1: as the bank manager, and they're all sort of engaged
- 5:38Speaker 1: in this conspiracy to look the other way and receive
- 5:41Speaker 1: additional funding to look the other way while this person is,
- 5:44Speaker 1: you know, putting their money into a particular bank account
- 5:47Speaker 1: and maybe giving them advice on how to launder that money,
- 5:50Speaker 1: or kind of what the caps are, on when they
- 5:52Speaker 1: would be discovered. Contrary to Dr. Millman or Roscoe's personal opinion,
- 5:57Speaker 1: the TVPA allows victims of sex trafficking and state attorneys
- 6:01Speaker 1: generals to enforce the TVPA against the perpetrator or whoever
- 6:06Speaker 1: knowingly benefits or attempts to conspire to benefit financially or
- 6:10Speaker 1: by receiving anything of value from participation in a venture
- 6:14Speaker 1: which that person knew or should have known has engaged
- 6:17Speaker 1: in an act in the violation of the TVPA. U.S.
- 6:20Speaker 1: Code 18, Section 1595A and D. J.P. Morgan has not provided,
- 6:25Speaker 1: and the government is not aware of, any court that
- 6:28Speaker 1: interpreted the TVPA knowledge requirement as narrowly as Dr. Melman
- 6:32Speaker 1: Orozco suggests. Moreover, at least one court in the Southern
- 6:36Speaker 1: District has struck expert opinions expressly, policy preferences, like Dr.
- 6:41Speaker 1: Melman Orozco's, because personal opinions about what the law is
- 6:45Speaker 1: or should be invade the province of the court to
- 6:48Speaker 1: instruct the jury on the law. The court should exclude
- 6:51Speaker 1: this opinion as well. D. Dr. Melman Orozco's opinions regarding
- 6:56Speaker 1: secondary exploitation and misidentification are irrelevant and unfounded. Dr. Melman
- 7:03Speaker 1: Orozco offers opinions about secondary exploitation and misidentification that are
- 7:08Speaker 1: completely irrelevant to any issue in this case. Under Rule 702,
- 7:12Speaker 1: the threshold question is whether the proffered expert testimony is relevant.
- 7:17Speaker 1: Irrelevant expert testimony fails the helpfulness requirement of Rule 702
- 7:22Speaker 1: and should not be admitted. Dr. Mel Manorosco opines that
- 7:25Speaker 1: sex trafficking claims, especially those made by third parties against
- 7:29Speaker 1: third parties, are at a high risk of secondary exploiting
- 7:32Speaker 1: the victims or the topic of trafficking by proffering non-victims
- 7:36Speaker 1: as trafficking survivors or blaming unwitting third parties for failed
- 7:41Speaker 1: interventions by law enforcement. This opinion has no relevance to
- 7:45Speaker 1: the issue of In this case, and is little more
- 7:47Speaker 1: than a thinly veiled attempt to impugn the government's witnesses
- 7:51Speaker 1: and motives for bringing this law enforcement action, both of
- 7:54Speaker 1: which are improper subjects for expert testimony and not relevant
- 7:58Speaker 1: to any claim or defense. In addition to being irrelevant,
- 8:02Speaker 1: these opinions also are not based on a reliable methodology
- 8:05Speaker 1: as required for scientific expert testimony. Secondary exploitation is a
- 8:10Speaker 1: theory created by Dr. Melman Orozco for litigation that does
- 8:14Speaker 1: not appear to be reflected in in academic literature or analysis.
- 8:18Speaker 1: In fact, she has already voluntarily withdrawn an opinion based
- 8:22Speaker 1: on this theory in another case. Dr. Melman-Orozco's primary objective
- 8:27Speaker 1: in putting forth this opinion appears to be to attack
- 8:30Speaker 1: plaintiff's lawyers. She notes in her reports that one Epstein
- 8:34Speaker 1: survivor publicly accused attorney Brad Edwards, a plaintiff's attorney who
- 8:38Speaker 1: represented victims in a related case against J.P. Morgan, of
- 8:42Speaker 1: actions consistent with secondary exploitation. When questioned about this statement
- 8:47Speaker 1: at her deposition, Dr. Melman Orozco coyly claimed she does
- 8:51Speaker 1: not have any opinion about Brad Edwards and simply repeated
- 8:54Speaker 1: the opinion of an alleged victim of Epstein. She also
- 8:57Speaker 1: admitted she may discuss plaintiff's lawyers feeding on trafficking cases
- 9:01Speaker 1: for the litigation advantages it offers in her upcoming book. Further, Dr.
- 9:06Speaker 1: Melman Orozco could not articulate a standard for determining when
- 9:10Speaker 1: someone was engaged in secondary exploitation, which is a key
- 9:13Speaker 1: requirement of Daubert. When asked how someone could determine that Dr.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Melman Orozco herself was not engaged in secondary exploitation, she
- 9:23Speaker 1: offered the following highly subjective standard, I would just welcome
- 9:27Speaker 1: them to look at my body of work and who
- 9:29Speaker 1: I am as a person. For all these reasons, Dr.
- 9:32Speaker 1: Melman Orozco's opinions regarding secondary exploitation should be stricken. Dr.
- 9:38Speaker 1: Melman Orozco also opines that sex trafficking victims are frequently
- 9:42Speaker 1: misidentified and and that misidentification can lead to minors being
- 9:46Speaker 1: erroneously criminalized or denied services and businesses being exposed to
- 9:51Speaker 1: liability for civil rights violations and defamation. In support of
- 9:55Speaker 1: her opinion, Dr. Melman Orozco cites to news articles about
- 9:59Speaker 1: airlines falsely accusing customers of human trafficking, but this opinion
- 10:03Speaker 1: is untethered to any evidence in this litigation. Dr. Melman
- 10:07Speaker 1: Orozco confirmed that she is not offering any opinions about
- 10:11Speaker 1: whether Epstein's victims have been misidentified. Thus, the opinion is
- 10:15Speaker 1: irrelevant to any fact at issue in this case and
- 10:18Speaker 1: should be excluded as well. All right, we're going to
- 10:20Speaker 1: wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're
- 10:22Speaker 1: going to pick up with two. The court should strike
- 10:24Speaker 1: the proposed expert opinions of Joseph Fonseca. All of the
- 10:29Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
- 10:32Speaker 1: the description box.