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6,000 LETTERS, THOUSANDS IN DONATIONS, BILLBOARDS RENTED, LUIGI MANGIONE FANS WONT STOP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace spending thousands and thousands of
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  Speaker 1: dollars for billboards along the street, tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: dollars a donation, nearly ten thousand letters. I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about a rock star or a movie star. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about Luigi Mangioni. Fans They're crazy. I wonder how Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thompson's widow and orphaned boys feel about the billboards, the
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  Speaker 1: donations and the letters. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us as
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  Speaker 1: the suspected killer of the United Healthcare CEO heads to court. Amazingly,
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  Speaker 1: his support amongst mostly female fans has not died. When
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  Speaker 1: Mangioni arrived at a Manhattan courthouse for hearings, a billboard
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  Speaker 1: featuring a guy named Michael Kissling was mounted on a
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  Speaker 1: truck driving around outside. Who is Kissling? He is a
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  Speaker 1: thirty two year old amputee who blames United Healthcare for
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  Speaker 1: denying treatments he said would have saved his leg. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Kissling does not condone violence, but he does say the
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  Speaker 1: shooting dead of the CEO Brian Thompson did draw attention
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  Speaker 1: to the many obstacles he and many others have faced
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  Speaker 1: getting insurance coverage. Kissling makes a point by saying, if
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  Speaker 1: he Mingionie's Malcolm X, then I'm emulating MLK Martin Luther King.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, United Healthcare disputed a. Kissling's account, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly not defending United Healthcare in this. What I am
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  Speaker 1: supporting is the right to a trial. What happened that
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  Speaker 1: early morning when Brian Thompson was gunned down on the street.
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  Speaker 2: A masked gunman shoots dead the United Healthcare CEO in
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  Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan, and urgent search ensues for the suspect. Last
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  Speaker 2: scene entering Central.
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  Speaker 1: Park, marriage secrets being revealed as this health boss worth
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars is gunned down and open around the public.
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  Speaker 1: What do we make of clues left behind? Cryptic and
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  Speaker 1: odd clues? For instance, bullets found actually had been inscribed
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  Speaker 1: with letters on them. A cell phone had been left behind.
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  Speaker 1: Is there DNA on a water bottle? Was this a pro?
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  Speaker 1: A silencer was used and in the middle of the assassination,
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  Speaker 1: the gun jams and seemingly the pro shooter simply adjusted
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  Speaker 1: and continued firing. Everyone. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: If this can happen in public. What are we to
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  Speaker 1: think of it? Well, take a listen to what the
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  Speaker 1: chief of Detectives has to say.
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  Speaker 3: This morning, at six forty six am, patrol offices from
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  Speaker 3: Midtown North Preestinct responded to a nine to one one
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  Speaker 3: call of a person shot in front of the Hilton
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  Speaker 3: Hotel located at thirteen thirty five Avenue of the Americas.
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  Speaker 3: This is between West fifty third Street and West fifty
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  Speaker 3: fourth Street. At six forty eight am, officers arrive and
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  Speaker 3: find the victim, Brian R.
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  Speaker 2: Thompson, a fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Year old male, on the sidewalk in front of the Hilton,
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  Speaker 3: with gunshot wounds to his back and leg.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the way the sheoter handled the weapon, the
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  Speaker 1: use of a silencer, the mask, the lying in wait
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  Speaker 1: all indicates a professional hit. But a pro wouldn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be caught. A pro would do everything not to
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  Speaker 1: get caught. So then why we're there, especially engraved bullets
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  Speaker 1: with cryptic messages on them? Mm mmmm, it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a fifth grade girl riding a crime thriller. Something's way
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  Speaker 1: off with this. Joining me and all Star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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  Speaker 1: straight out to investigative reporter Lauren Conlin joining US co
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  Speaker 1: host Primetime Crime on YouTube and you can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Popcrime dot tv. Who has gone to the scene
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  Speaker 1: and investigated Lauren, what can you tell us, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Nancy, on the street, the entire street of West fifty
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  Speaker 4: third Street was blocked off. There was plane clothes detectives
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  Speaker 4: as well as uniformed officers basically not saying anything. I
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  Speaker 4: asked questions.
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  Speaker 1: I asked witnesses if.
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  Speaker 4: They heard anything, and the parking lot attendants were actually
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  Speaker 4: there earlier that morning, but they said, you know, due
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  Speaker 4: to the silencer, they didn't hear anything.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me your understanding, what you learned of what happened,
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  Speaker 1: Starting at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: Starting at the beginning, I learned that Brian Thompson arrived
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  Speaker 4: in New York Monday. Now he was not staying at
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  Speaker 4: the Hilton. He was staying at a hotel across the street.
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  Speaker 4: He was set to speak at eight am at their
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  Speaker 4: annual investors conference, and he was arriving early at six
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  Speaker 4: forty five. So as he walked into the entrance of
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  Speaker 4: the Hilton, it was revealed by NYPD that this gunman
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  Speaker 4: was allegedly lying in wait before he shot him.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief Detective Joe Kenny.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Thompson was removed by ems or Roosevelt Hospital, where
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  Speaker 3: he was pronounced dead at seven to twelve am. Mister
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  Speaker 3: Thompson is the CEO of United Healthcare and resides in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: Detectives from Nightwatch, Midtown North Detective Squad, and Manhattan South
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  Speaker 3: Homicad responded to the scene and began their investigation.
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  Speaker 1: We're learning a lot. I want to go straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Bill Daily joining us from New York. Former FBI
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  Speaker 1: investigator forends At photography international security expert. Bill, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. You see the video steals we're showing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that a pro would have done this
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  Speaker 1: right in front of a surveillance video.
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  Speaker 5: Well, exactly right, Nancy. Is that you know people throw
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  Speaker 5: on this thing about you know professional hitmen. I mean
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  Speaker 5: those are those are out of the movies. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this could be somebody who trained, who thought it out. Well,
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  Speaker 5: obviously he's done a lot of reconnaissance and research, but
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  Speaker 5: we're talking about professional hit people. That's something made in
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  Speaker 5: the movies. I would say, Nancy, A couple of things
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  Speaker 5: I'm quite familiar with this area. Being a New Yorker
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  Speaker 5: and having worked on the streets of New York for
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  Speaker 5: what a number of years, is that this is actually
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  Speaker 5: the side entrance the missus Thompson was apparently staying around
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  Speaker 5: the corner. We believe that they marry a hotel, which
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  Speaker 5: actually gave him a couple of avenues of approach to
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  Speaker 5: the hotel. This is the side interest the managers on
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  Speaker 5: sixth Avenue. So for this gunman to know that he
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  Speaker 5: was going to be me down the side street at
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  Speaker 5: this time suggested to me there was some other reconnaissance
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  Speaker 5: inside information that he knew that he was at another hotel.
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  Speaker 5: He wasn't saying at the Hilton that he could be
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  Speaker 5: coming down this street. Tompson could have easy walked around
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  Speaker 5: seventh Avenue to come down fifty fifth Street or another
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  Speaker 5: street to grab a cup of coffee, but he didn't.
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  Speaker 5: And so there are a couple of things out here
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  Speaker 5: that kind of jump out to me that are really
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  Speaker 5: concerning with your guard to how much information was known
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  Speaker 5: about the specific movements of mister Thompson that morning.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Daly, I know exactly what you mean about that location,
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  Speaker 1: But wouldn't it have been easy for the perp the
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  Speaker 1: killer to be waiting in the lobby waiting for the victim,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thompson, to walk out. He didn't have to be
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  Speaker 1: lying in wait at that side entrance. He could have
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  Speaker 1: simply followed him. He did come up behind him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of things here
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  Speaker 5: in Nancy, that is true. And in fact, if he
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  Speaker 5: knew if he was going to be speaking of the conference,
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  Speaker 5: he didn't have to be waiting outside. He could have
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  Speaker 5: done it just in the lobby, upstairs, in an elevator
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  Speaker 5: or some other other place where he knew there was
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  Speaker 5: kind of kind of cool chow point where he would
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  Speaker 5: have had to travel through in order to get to
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  Speaker 5: the conference. The other thing is that which kind of
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  Speaker 5: points to perhaps something more someone from the area or
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  Speaker 5: from the region, is the fact that mister Simpson lives
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  Speaker 5: out in Minnesota. The day to day he comes to
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  Speaker 5: and from work, he comes to and from his home,
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  Speaker 5: he goes perhaps to see maybe his children's sporting events,
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  Speaker 5: who knows what. But those are kind of open areas,
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  Speaker 5: other areas where he could have been a target. But
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  Speaker 5: yet this was done in New York City, where he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't live, where he was visiting where this person would
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  Speaker 5: have only had a couple of days opportunity for any
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  Speaker 5: kind of reconnaissance and kind of staging this event. And
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  Speaker 5: so it kind of leads me to suggest that this
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  Speaker 5: person chose New York either because it's more difficult. You
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  Speaker 5: can get lost in the city, you can do things
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  Speaker 5: like this, it could disappear into Central Park and perhaps
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  Speaker 5: try to hide your trails, you know, or it was
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  Speaker 5: a matter of convenience that the person was in and
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  Speaker 5: around the area and didn't have to travel to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. The victim in town to speak at an
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  Speaker 1: investor conference.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, the victim was in New York City to speak
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  Speaker 6: at an investor conference. It appears a suspect was lying
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  Speaker 6: in wait for several minutes, and as the victim was
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  Speaker 6: walking to the conference hotel, the suspect approached from behind
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  Speaker 6: and fired several rounds, striking the victim at least once
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  Speaker 6: in the back and at least once in the right calf.
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  Speaker 6: Many people passed the suspect, but he appeared to wait
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  Speaker 6: for his intended target.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's clearly targeted, Bill Daly. There is no robbery,
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  Speaker 1: there is no car jacking, there is no sex attack,
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  Speaker 1: so it's targeted. Can we look at the photo of
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  Speaker 1: the suspect's face? Now, we keep hearing we don't know
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  Speaker 1: much about him, but I can tell you right now
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  Speaker 1: he's white. Number one. He knows enough to cover his face.
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  Speaker 1: But I see that he is not wearing gloves. To
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, what can you tell me about a discarded
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  Speaker 1: water bottle?
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  Speaker 4: The discarded water bottle, Nancy, was found in the alleyway,
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  Speaker 4: which is between fifty and fifty fourth Street. It's the
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  Speaker 4: zig Field Ballroom Alleyway.
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  Speaker 1: A pro would not leave behind a water bottle. A
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  Speaker 1: pro wouldn't even be drinking anything right before you've murdered somebody.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly right, and Ncy, And go to my suggestion, this
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  Speaker 5: person orchestrated this and pre planned it. I thought it out.
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  Speaker 5: You speak about perhaps the weapon a little bit later on.
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  Speaker 5: All these things tying to somebody who is knowledgeable about
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  Speaker 5: only what they were doing, but certainly not a professional.
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  Speaker 5: That's somebody we might see kind of portrayed in the movies.
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  Speaker 5: These people would be much more sub rosa about their efforts,
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  Speaker 5: would kind of not be seen beforehand. And I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to suggest to you is that besides this video and
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  Speaker 5: these images we have now as that police are looking
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  Speaker 5: to kind of put together both the timeline and his trail,
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  Speaker 5: there'll be some more coming out and we'll we'll have
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  Speaker 5: some more facial images. Perhaps the DNA may help, but
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  Speaker 5: as we all know, working these cases, because you need
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  Speaker 5: to have something to compare it to, you need to
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  Speaker 5: have some database to compared to, or using ancestral DNA,
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  Speaker 5: perhaps hire this person back to someone else and work
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  Speaker 5: through that angle. So even though we have all these things,
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  Speaker 5: and it could be who knows, maybe fragmented fingerprints on
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  Speaker 5: the bot casings or other evidence left behind, but again
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  Speaker 5: you need something to compare it to.
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  Speaker 3: What we know is that the shooter arrived at the
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  Speaker 3: location on foot about five minutes prior to the victim's arrival.
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  Speaker 3: He stands alongside the building line as numerous other people
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  Speaker 3: and pedestrians pass him by. From video, we see at
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  Speaker 3: six forty four am, the victim is walking alone towards
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  Speaker 3: the Hilton after exiting his hotel across the street. We
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  Speaker 3: believe the victim was headed to the Hilton Hotel to
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  Speaker 3: attend the United Health Group investors conference that was scheduled
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  Speaker 3: to start at eight am.
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  Speaker 1: Let me look at that stance one more time where
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  Speaker 1: the shooter is pointing pointing the gun at the victim.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everybody on the panel jump in, but Bill
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  Speaker 1: Danley look at that. It looks like someone has been
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  Speaker 1: watching too many movies and they think that's a profession
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  Speaker 1: killer stance. You see that right there. I'm just telling you, Look,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have on gloves. He's been hanging out, drinking
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  Speaker 1: from a water bottle that he leaves behind. I also
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  Speaker 1: understand a cell phone has been left behind. And then
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  Speaker 1: he gets on a city bike. It reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: a bank robbery I prosecuted where the purp had a
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  Speaker 1: bike waiting around the corner. He was anything but a
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  Speaker 1: pro and he pedaled off just like this guy is doing.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
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  Speaker 5: Bial Yeah, all these things kind of add up to
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  Speaker 5: the fact that this person, again gave some thought. But
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  Speaker 5: yet it's about quote professional I mean, we really don't
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  Speaker 5: have these kind of quote professional hitment throughout the country.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe the mafia does, but we're not talking about people
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  Speaker 5: knocking off executive So this doesn't happen in the United States.
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  Speaker 5: Perhaps overseas, and perhaps a concern when people travel the
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  Speaker 5: high risk locations, but certainly not in New York City.
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  Speaker 5: But I probably tell you is that both that stance
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  Speaker 5: is kind of a suggestion that the person thought they
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  Speaker 5: knew what they were doing, but also the fact that
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  Speaker 5: this gun jam the jam several times apparently rights at
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  Speaker 5: each shot. According to police, they believe that it jammed
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  Speaker 5: maybe because there was a silencer on the front, a
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  Speaker 5: silencer that perhaps caused the jam to occur. But he
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  Speaker 5: did clear it very quickly and efficiently, So he's somebody
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  Speaker 5: who did do some practice training with that weapon beforehand.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, Lauren Colin, the gun jammed more than once.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently it jammed between shots, but you know that didn't
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  Speaker 4: stop him, so he kept shooting after.
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  Speaker 1: He saw The answer is yes, Okay, that's telling me
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  Speaker 1: a lot right there, daily, daily, daily, A pro is
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  Speaker 1: going to take a gun that jams between every shot?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I'm going to some of the forensic guess
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  Speaker 5: versus that by using that silencer, and again, silencers are
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  Speaker 5: nothings that you were supposed to legally have, so if
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  Speaker 5: it was homemade, it could have caused more of this
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  Speaker 5: kind of malfunction of the weapon. But again, it did
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  Speaker 5: seem as though calmly he cleared that weapon, he was
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  Speaker 5: able to pull a slide on the.
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  Speaker 1: Top daily did you say homemade? Look, this is whoo,
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  Speaker 1: this is melan. This is not a pro I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know where that came from. A homemade silence, homemade silencer,
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  Speaker 1: but come on, man, a homemade silencer that doesn't work,
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  Speaker 1: A pretend professional killer stance, drinking a water bottle and
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  Speaker 1: leaving it behind and hopping on a bike without gloves
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  Speaker 1: and taking off no no, uh uh, I gotta figure
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  Speaker 1: this thing out, guys. Why was a health ceo worth
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars gunned down in public? Early early morning?
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  Speaker 1: Many people saying it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Pro killer to shoot it?
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  Speaker 3: Then flees on foot northbound into an alleyway between fifty
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  Speaker 3: fourth Street and fifty fifth Street. Once at West fifty
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  Speaker 3: fifth Street, the shooter continues to walk westbound on the
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  Speaker 3: Avenue in Americas, where he gets onto an electric e
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  Speaker 3: city bike and rides northbound on the Avenue Americas towards
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  Speaker 3: Central Park. At six forty eight am, we have the
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  Speaker 3: shooter riding this bike into Central Park at Center Drive.
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  Speaker 3: We're still tracking video. The last we see with him
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  Speaker 3: on that bike is in Central Park. At the scene,
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  Speaker 3: we recover three live nine millimeters rounds and three discharged
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  Speaker 3: nine milimeters shell casings. The motor for this murder currently
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  Speaker 3: is unknown, but based on the evidence we have so far,
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  Speaker 3: it does appear that the victim was specifically targeted. But
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  Speaker 3: at this point we do not know why. This does
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  Speaker 3: not appear to be a random act of violence.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I know that, I know it's not random. Joining
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  Speaker 1: me high profile lawyer BERNARDA. Vielona, New York criminal defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: This is her beat. She is also a former prosecutor. Bernardo,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: of it so far? Because not only did the pro
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  Speaker 1: assassin lead behind the discharged nine millimere shellcasings, they were
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  Speaker 1: engraved with three cryptic words. I mean, it's straight out
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  Speaker 1: of a crime novel and another saying, BERNARDA. Anybody that
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  Speaker 1: knows how to type goog l E can find out
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  Speaker 1: this guy was speaking where and at what time?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I still think there's an inside job because
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  Speaker 7: in a sense of they could have known where he
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  Speaker 7: was speaking, but they wouldn't have known exactly what time
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  Speaker 7: he would have been leaving out of his hotel because
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  Speaker 7: remember this shooter had only been waiting about five minutes,
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  Speaker 7: so he had to have had some kind of inside
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  Speaker 7: information to know the exact time that Brian Thompson would
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  Speaker 7: have been leaving his hotel. Look, all of this looks
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  Speaker 7: very shady. I don't think it's a professional kill at all,
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  Speaker 7: because number one, believing of the showcases and the bullets
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  Speaker 7: there and then jumping on a bike. I think there's
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  Speaker 7: a lot more to this. I don't see that there's
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  Speaker 7: going to be an arrest anytime soon, though.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, just mom on that daily bill daily with
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  Speaker 1: me former FBI investigator and joining us from New York,
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  Speaker 1: intimately familiar with the ins and outs the alleyways where
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  Speaker 1: this happened. The guy then goes to Central Park. That
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty good move, and it's not that far
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  Speaker 1: from where the shooting was by bike. But he goes
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  Speaker 1: into Central Park, which is blanketed with surveillance videos, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and we can follow his drail. He had to ditch
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  Speaker 1: the bike somewhere. I think that we're going to find
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  Speaker 1: out where he leaves the bike. And again no gloves.
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  Speaker 1: As you said earlier, of course you got to have
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  Speaker 1: something to compare it to. If he's not in the
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  Speaker 1: DNA or the APHIST database, we don't have anything to
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  Speaker 1: match it too. But that said, can we just agree
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  Speaker 1: this is not a pro Yeah, I surely agree it's
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  Speaker 1: not a pro.
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  Speaker 5: I also think that there's a there are probably kind
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  Speaker 5: of breadcrumbs left behind, is that you know if this
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  Speaker 5: was connected with either the business because of see that
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  Speaker 5: either of the had been a customer who was certainly
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  Speaker 5: totally upset and obsessed with this individual, or perhaps a
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  Speaker 5: former employee. That could have been a number of things.
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  Speaker 5: But I think there you have to go back and
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  Speaker 5: start looking at with their threats against the company. Apparently
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  Speaker 5: according to the victim's wife there were, and if there were,
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  Speaker 5: who was making those and what was the steps?
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  Speaker 1: Start up with what you're just saying, Bill Daily, Lauren Conlin. Now,
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  Speaker 1: according to one person there have been threats on the
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  Speaker 1: victim's line, and that is his wife. Were those threats
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  Speaker 1: ever reported to la law enforcement? Nancy?
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Those threats were never reported to law enforcement?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: With me also is Scott Iiker founding member. I can't
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: say this enough of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Survey team.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Can I just say he didn't just fall off the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: turnip truck people. Iiker, if I was going to pick
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: him off, I would go somewhere with a silencer and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: wait out in the middle of nowhere, right let his
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: body lay there for three or four hours before anybody
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: figures anything out. So why intentionally find him in New
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: York City?
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: I agree, there's a lot of other places that you
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: could have done this murder, but there's a lot of
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: benefits of doing it in a crowded city also. I mean,
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: if you think about it, you might be able to
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: mix in with the regular people walking to and from work,
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: cars and everything like that. He didn't think about all
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: the cameras in the area. He didn't think about all
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: the people that might see a different things. And obviously
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: I agree with the other gentleman that says I don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: think this guy is a professional. I do think he
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: has some training. I mean, I was on the FBI
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: SWAT team. I shot twice a week, and I can
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: see that type of stance that he had some training
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: for him to do that malfunction. Clear clear that gon
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: shoot again, clear it, clear it. That takes training time.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: So I think, at least in my mind, he's made
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: a lot of mistakes, but I don't think he's a professional.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: I totally agree with that. But he has had some drink.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And we are learning more from Chief of Detectives Joe Kenney.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: From speaking to other employees that traveled with him to
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: New York. Doesn't seem that he had these security detail.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: He left the hotel by himself, was walking, didn't seem
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: like he had any issues at all. So I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: think he did not have his security detail.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't there
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: just a firefighter's pension fund that sued the victim because
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: he dumped about thirty one percent of his stock made
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars just before everything went south, right, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: there's a complaint about that. Yeah, that's happening. The wife
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: says there's death threats. He's worth millions of dollars and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have security detail.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, his net worth is forty three million dollars. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: not only that, I found a plethora of lawsuits. He
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: was accused of creating an algorithm to deny patients' coverage.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: So I found quite a few lawsuits there. And then additionally,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: there was a data breach A few I believe it
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: was February of twenty twenty four, where many many people
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: were at risk and not happy.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace at the very beginning after
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the murder, Mangioni somehow managed to attract an amazing legion
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of fans, fascinations, sympathy. They flooded social media with memes,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: they sell t shirts. But even now, a full year later,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: they're still hot and heavy on the trail supporting the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: twenty seven year old A League grad amazingly. While Mangioni
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: claims he suffered from chronic back pain, although the photos
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I see are him frolicking on the beach and actually
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: lifting up girls and tickling them. He did not have
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: United Healthcare insurance, so I'm not sure how he targeted
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Brian Thompson. But this is what happened. Listen to this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's just like a fifth grade girl writes an action thriller,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: or tries to listen.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: Police have released a new chilling detail in the assassination
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: style shooting. Three live rounds and three shellcasings recovered from
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: the crime scene, and cops are now saying there are
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: inscriptions on the shellcasings the words deny, defend, and depose
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: were engraved on the bullets.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: So the words deny, defend, and depose were engraved on
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the bullets. By who the local jeweler joining me right
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: now is a ballistics expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joe
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott Really, okay, I can't hammer this
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: enough a pro What did they write it in? Fancy cursivey, defend,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: depos Seriously, that sounds like the ransom note left behind
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in John Benay a small foreign faction once one hundred
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and eighteen thousand dollars stop.
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: What's really fascinating about this, Nancy, is the fact that
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: they've got three spent casings that are on the ground,
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: and then they have the three live rounds, and he's
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: having to try to clear this weapon because he's had
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: a malfunction, which actually does occur with some frequency when
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: you have a suppressed weapon. And the fact that he
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: had engraving and I keep hearing this term, this engraving
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: that was only casing the fact that he had a
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: jam in the weapon. I would think that it would
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: be engraved on all of the rounds, So how can
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: you plan for that, for instance, that these rounds are stacked,
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: which they would be in a magazine, and every time
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: he clears it, he's going to eject a live round
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: as opposed to those that were spent when he was firing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: If you watch the sequence on a video, he fires
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: once and then it looks like he clears, but he
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: may have actually cleared two rounds at that point time
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: that we're still live because the weapon is jamming on
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: him and he has to cycle through it, so he's
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: taken a lot of time. My suspicion is it might
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: be there might be engraving on all of the rounds,
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: and that he has taken a lot of time somewhere,
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: probably you know, at home or wherever it is. He
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: shows up prepared to a certain degree, although he didn't
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: wear gloves and he didn't fully mask his face. There's
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: a lot still to kind of untangle here, but that
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: point is certainly fascinating. I've never encountered this before in
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: my years in forensics to this degree. Now, Hollywood makes
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: a big deal out of this kind of thing, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: it's just not something you commonly run into. My question
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: is what's the skill level of the engraving, in addition
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: to attempting to define how this was engraved, what instrumentality
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: was used, and then maybe the folks will be able
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: to pick up on some form in his writing if
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: he's doing this freehand.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: Brian Thompson's wife Paulette tells NBC News that Brian has
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: been receiving death threats. She doesn't go into detail, saying
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: it was basically due to a lack of coverage. She
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: doesn't know exactly, but Brian said there were some people
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: that had been threatening him.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Straight back out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us. Jo Scott,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: if I said earlier, if there was a death thout
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: on my husband a I would let him travel alone
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to New York. I would at least go with him
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: at the very least. But that said, they have children
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to take care of back at home. But no security detail,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: no police reports, nothing, And she is the only one
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: coming forward with the alleged threats if they weren't reported
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to police, can anyone within the company verify this ever happened?
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: Well, he hasn't spoken of this to anybody that's around him,
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: But why would he not, you know, say something about this.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: And let me tell you one more thing. A guy
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: that is in his atmosphere. You know, we see all
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: these so called celebrities that are out there that have
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: these you know, security details with it. This is a guy, Nancy,
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: that actually has a level of value and would heighten
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: anybody's a census relative to the danger he could potentially
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: be in. Why wouldn't you put a couple of people
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: on him to check the wout at least to be
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: body people that are going to score him around. Maybe
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: he didn't want that. I have no idea, but I
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: do know that he's a prime target. It's just fascinating
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: to me that they chose this particular location, this individual
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: went about it in this manner because I agree with
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: all of the other panelists. I think this guy has
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: some weapons familiarity, but he is in no way of
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: pro If he had been a pro, we would not
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: have seen the video last that long.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: If you're sitting down, you may need to lay down
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: for what you're about to hear. Take a listen.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: The suspect was reportedly spoted outside a public housing project
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: roughly three miles from the crime scene at five am,
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: caring would look like an e bike battery. He's then
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: seen again checking out at Starbucks not far from the Hilton,
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: in just minutes before the attack. It's unclear what exactly
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: the suspect purchase, but police believe a water bottle and
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: candy wrapper left at the crime scene may belong to
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: the shooter and are testing the items for latent fingerprints
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: and DNA.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The next thing we're going to hear, Lauren Colin, is
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: that the shooter used a credit card. I mean, he
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: hung out at a Starbucks just before the shooting, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of course places himself at a public housing project. Yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that's right. Blame the people of the housing project somehow
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: drag that into it. I guarantee that was orchestrated three
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: miles from the scene with what looked to be carrying
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: an e bike battery. In cases e bike crapped out
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on him. Now, at first, this is reported to be
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: a city bike, the kind that are easily accessed all
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: around New York City. Now we're hearing it may not
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: be a city bike. That said, then he's at Starbucks
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: just beside the Hilton minutes before the attack, staring straight
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: into the surveillance cameras, So there's not just a water
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: bottle he leaves behind a candy wrapper. Somebody needs a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: bit of honey, somebody wants the starbars before a murder.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, And there also have been reports that NYPD believes
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: that he may have actually taken this subway from the
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Upper west Side to Midtown and to that Starbucks.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Wait, then, if he was on the Upper west Side
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and he's spotted at a housing project, there's not a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: housing project on the Upper west Side, Okay, that's where
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: all the rich people live. To look down on Central Park,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: there's not a housing project there. So does he leave
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the Upper West to go to a housing project to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: be spotted and then go to the Starbucks.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what police are trying to figure out.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And I didn't.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm hoping that he did take the subway because
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Mayor Eric Adams did implement more cameras earlier this year.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a lot of surveillance on this guy,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: but you're right, subway would help me figure out where
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: he's coming from, where he's going, and how he knows
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: those paths. I'm still flummoxed by the fact that he
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: would leave a water bottle with his DNA on it,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a candy wrapper, take a bike, no gloves, has a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: pretend pro shooter stance, and has engraved bullets. For Pete's sake,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: why not just throw down your driver's license before you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: when you leave? Okay, Now we hear about a potential
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: eyewitness that goes on the run.
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: Police still have not identified the eyewitness who ran from
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: the scene as Thompson was gunned down. A woman dressed
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: in dark clothing and holding a coffee cup was standing
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: in a doorway just feet away from Thompson when the
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: shooter opened fire. She runs along the building toward the
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: shooter to avoid the gunfire, and disappears from frame. Authorities
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: are asking her to come forward, hoping she may be
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: able to provide new details on the shooter.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: As a cull phone recovered in the alleyway. We're working
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: through that cell phone. Obviously, we'll be processing it forensically
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: at as far as words being exchanged. We do not
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: have audio of the incident. We only have the regular videoing.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Nothing for well, there's one witness standing right next to
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the victim when he was shot. We're still trying to
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: identify that victim. Excuse me, excuse me that witness.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And we also learn that law enforcement has turned their
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: attention back home to Minnesota once again.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: We're looking at everything. We're looking at his social media,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: we are interviewing employees, we are interviewing family members. We
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: will be speaking to law enforcement in Minnesota.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, billboards, thousands of dollars, thousands
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of letters supporting the so called healthcare assassin. Will it
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: matter in court? Will public opinion matter? It certainly did
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in the case of Sean Diddy Coombs. This is what
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I know is true, these facts. This is what happened.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: No one, what is the address of your emergency?
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: That's really an emergency.
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: I have a customer here that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: Some other customers were suspicious of that he looks like
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: the CEO shooter from New York.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: at large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: court that their client, Luigi Angioni is the victim because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: his quote beautiful, promising life has been derailed.
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, As you mentioned, his team did paint him
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: This was something that he went through. He went through
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: that is one thing that you can definitely expect.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: His legal team argue, Kila, can I believe you are
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: my lieon eyes control room? Please show me him a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: running along the beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: him lifting up girls and tickling them. It's a video.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: They're all giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: him lounging by the beach. I'd love to see those
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: photos of him hiking and what looks to be a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: jungle rainfall. Oh, he is feeling no pain there, Cali Brantley,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I hope you don't fall for that look like and seeker.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Doctor Judy Hoe, did you know that Luigimanngioni is apparently
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the victim in this scenario? Doctor Judy Hoe is joining
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: US clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of Attachment and another bestseller, Stop Self Sabotage. You need
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to write one, doctor Judy Hoe, about try to tell
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the truth and then send it. You know, I'll pay
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: for it and we can send it to Luigi Mangioni.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: He is not the victim here, but you know you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: can't count out the defense attorney Agnefello. He got Sean
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Combs off on the major accusations in that indictment. So
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: no matter how ridiculous I may think he sounds, he
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: essentially won that case. Yes, his defense team that claims
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni is the victim. I want to read it,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: doctor Judy Hope. Beautiful promising life drailed by those irritating
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: murder charges.
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: as you said, even though he's not the victim. I
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: think this is why there has been a fan base, though,
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe he is
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: a victim, that he's some type of anti hero, that
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: he's misunderstood.
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: And oftentimes we.
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: See this in individuals who might act charismatically, they just
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: seem to pull people in. And it's weird because a
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: lot of these people who develop this sort of fan
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: fanhood around Luigi, they're kind of thinking, well, maybe I
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: can be a special person in his life, maybe he'll
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: pay attention to me, maybe I can even develop a
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: friendship with this person. This person might learn to trust me.
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: It's really interesting, but some of it actually has to
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: do with a self centeredness of people who might actually
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: talk to him, that they're hoping to get something special
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: out of it for themselves.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Gargie. I know you're the clinical and forensic neuropsychologist,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't even know what you just said. How
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: can the defense stand up and say this is not
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about the murder victim. Can we show, please, Brian Thompson
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: walking along and he's gunned down in cold blood, leaving
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: behind two sons and a wife. That's the victim. According
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to prosecutors, it's Luigi Mangioni holding a three D weapon
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that he made that it took dozens and dozens of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: hours to make, so he can gun down a guy
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: walking to work in the back. You stated, I don't
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: know what that was, doctor Judy Hoo. I'm not saying
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you're wrong. I'm just saying I'm just a trial lawyer
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: didn't understand it. But I think I know some of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the people that consider Luigi Mangioni to be the victim,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and here they are filing in to core. Okay, oh
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: what Luigi fights fascists. Okay, look at this line. Now,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: wait till you see the cat walk parade of sad
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: sack women filing in to They won't even show their
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: face to get a glimpse of Luigi MANGIONI. Yes, keep
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it going, keep it going, because I've got hours of people. Yeah,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that was totally walking the cat walk right there, clamoring
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to get in to just bask in the glow of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Luigi MANGIONI. Oh, it keeps going. Yeah, on and on.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: They had to turn women away, and it's not just women. Listen.
• 36:53
  Speaker 15: So this is who police believe was responsible for the
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: United Healthcare CEO Pepe. His seems Klubigi. All I can
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: say is, Mama, Miyah, does he need a Mario? I
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: believe it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,
• 37:07
  Speaker 15: I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of
• 37:10
  Speaker 15: love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe
• 37:17
  Speaker 15: if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: look like one. Okay, this man clearly did that. Did
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: he train at the Marvel Studios with all the other
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: Chris's okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: I believe if we're going to claim to be a
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: Christian nation, that we need to act like one. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness. And after
• 37:38
  Speaker 15: a lot of seconds of thinking, I have decided I'm
• 37:41
  Speaker 15: gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right, but
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: not forget, because mean, my god, how could you forget
• 37:47
  Speaker 15: an angel like this. I'm not gonna lie for a while.
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: I thought, oh my god, we're never going to find him,
• 37:51
  Speaker 15: you know. And I was wrong, because somewhere along the way,
• 37:54
  Speaker 15: the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the masks
• 37:57
  Speaker 15: and no masks, this man he found a way into
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: our hearts.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: He did.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I hardly even know where to start with that. That
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is from mister Williams spreck on TikTok. I'm in love
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: with a criminal, and I forgive him after a few
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: seconds of consideration, Doctor Gudy hoe it. I can't say
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it gets worse, but there's more. Listen, you can't take
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: my mind and say there's blood on his head when
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you're the one.
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: With the girl.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Who's taking lives for fun. You can't take my man.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: That's from Scarlett park TikTok. So it's gone beyond calling
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: him a spicy meatball. These people actually consider Luigimi and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Gioni their man, and they are angry with the fans
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: for prosecuting. What have I gone down the rabbit hole?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Am I in some crazy bizarre alie in Wonderland? What
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is happening, doctor gudi Hoe.
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: People start to idolize these potential I mean, clearly this
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: is a defendant, right, but they're thinking in their minds,
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: this person is innocent. Maybe I'm going to be their
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: special person, and they're lusting after them the way that
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: they would lust after a celebrity, especially when they see
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: photos and videos that they can start cutting into their
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: own social media. They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him,
• 39:48
  Speaker 13: a fantasy and essentially completely erasing all of the facts
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: that have been evident in this case. And clearly the
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: defendant's attorneys are trying to paint that picture.
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: As well, leaning into it as hard as possible because
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: they're hoping to influence the public opinion even before a
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: jury is selected, so that they can hopefully get him
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: the outcome that he wants, which is apparently to.
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: Escape a death sentence, escape prison. Maybe I'm not sure
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: exactly what they think is possible, but that's what's so
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: scary about all the positivity that has developed around his
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: persona in terms of all of these illustrations, the website
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: they set up about and it's really concerning.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, Cheryl McCollum is joining me. Cold Case
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the Cold Case
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon. Cheryl, Okay,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: do you remember the night that you and I were
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: out until two o'clock in the morning staking out a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: location where we thought Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that night? Because I sure do I do.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: How has this gotten so bass Ackwards, Chryl Ninthy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: It is mind boggling that anybody is trying to paint
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's life
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: was not just promising, it was in full swing. He
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: had a wife and children, and a career at the
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: highest level. He had friends and extended family. He had
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: everything going for him. Mangione had none of that, but
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: he took everything from those children. And I'm going to
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: tell you something, when you look at the people that
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: are contacting him, I hope and pray that those six
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: thousand letters that he's gotten, that one hundred and fifteen
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: a day, that there's some good intel in there too,
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: I hope they're listing.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Every piece of somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into the legal implications of what
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: is happening in court. I'm just so concerned that one
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: of these nut jobs is going to end up on
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the ultimate jury and acquit Luigi Manngioni under the misconception
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that he is somehow the victim. Again in court, his
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: lawyers and un quoting claimed that his beautiful, promising life
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: has been derailed by murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: me me. This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: up with silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: been living in a Hawaii high rise on the beach,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: doing nothing, and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, how hard to Robson had to work to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: get to become the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: handed to him on a silver platter on top of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a Christmas tree like it was MANGIONI. He had to
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: work and sacrifice long, long hours to get to where
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: he got to to be gunned down like a dog
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: on the sidewalk.
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: Cheryl Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: I agree with you. This whole thing is upside down.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: Not only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: his wife. You know what it takes. You know how
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: long David has gone during the day. It's not an
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: eight hour day, it's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He
• 43:43
  Speaker 11: was playing at the top of his game. There's no
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: doubt about it. Mangione was giving nothing to a family,
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: he was giving nothing to society. He was contributing zero.
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: And again, what he took cannot even be measured.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that's you, Cali Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: and picking them up just before the shooting. I can't
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: show it because it has the girl's faces in it,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: but he was feeling no pain. But it's all about me, Me, me, me, me,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: why me? And he's certainly not the first. Let me
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: refresh your recollection, as we say in court with bride
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: killer Jamie Lee Komarowski. Listen to her, right, I just
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: don't know why it had to happen to.
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: Me, because bad things happen to good people, honey, that's why.
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: It's just it's just something that happened to you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: And we are going to deal with the best week past.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, Dave Mack joining me. Crimestwaris investigator, reporter. You know
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: who the bride killer is, right, Ja Lee Komarowski. She's guilty.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: She got totally stinking drunk and plowed into a beautiful
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom and killed her.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And there she is behind bars, going why is this
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: happening to me?
• 45:22
  Speaker 17: One look and listen to her father, Nancy. What does
• 45:25
  Speaker 17: he say, Well, bad things happen to good people. No,
• 45:30
  Speaker 17: they don't. You just killed somebody because of your own actions.
• 45:34
  Speaker 17: But see, we've got a whole group of people now
• 45:37
  Speaker 17: that never want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: is on them. How can you possibly think man Joni
• 45:45
  Speaker 17: is sitting here saying his life is derailed, Well, he
• 45:47
  Speaker 17: destroyed another life and another family. Kambarowski sitting in jail,
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: Why is this happening to me?
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: Well?
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: Why not?
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: What do you expect?
• 45:54
  Speaker 17: What happened? Sick of this? Nancy is getting really tiresome.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And there is her victims, Mattha Miller in her wedding
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: dress just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komrowski.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And here's I guess this would have to be the
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Miss Universe of Wyme Jody Arius. Check her out. She
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: is more concerned about her makeup as she is approaching
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of her fiance,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty nine times.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: say it was more than that. Check it out, Jody Arius,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: you should have at least done your makeup before you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: speak to police about murdering your fiance. When he broke
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: as they're about to question her about what could have
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: happened to Travis Alexander, she starts singing and there you go,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: what happened to Travis?
• 47:09
  Speaker 19: Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
• 47:15
  Speaker 19: taking a shower, taking dirty pictures, if you will, And
• 47:20
  Speaker 19: while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
• 47:22
  Speaker 19: plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
• 47:26
  Speaker 19: When he turns around to defend himself to try to
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
• 47:38
  Speaker 19: spits up blood onto his stink, onto his sink, he
• 47:42
  Speaker 19: crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.
• 47:46
  Speaker 19: She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
• 47:49
  Speaker 19: ear and the Koudi gras she shoots him after he
• 47:53
  Speaker 19: is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
• 47:57
  Speaker 19: at right here. She's absolutely discovered and it's.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: All about me, me, me, Joscott Morgan, you've seen it all.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to say, show you something you haven't
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: seen yet. Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: focusing only on themselves and not their victims. There is
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the drunk, stinking drunk a d A Assistant district's attorney
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Devin Flannag and listen to her. What the protocol is? Protocol?
• 48:27
  Speaker 18: As you turn off the body, can you have to
• 48:29
  Speaker 18: turn it off?
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: And that's your protocol, lawyer.
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: So she knows, well, that's lawyer stuff.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: So that's not true.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So we got to go, no it is, that's that's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the law.
• 48:38
  Speaker 18: I'm an ag, i'm an aging.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: Good for you.
• 48:42
  Speaker 19: Let's go.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Those two were kicked out of I think it was
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a bar for being drunk and belligerent. Then you've got
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: oh gosh, she's been called the screaming band. She and
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: do you hear going, I'm an a da, I'm an
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: a da. Every sent it starts with I. I I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: listen to this woman, Jocott. He needs to not judge me.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: He he wants to call a salt. We're gonna go
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: through that row. No, he wants to go through assault.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: No, we're not doing that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: Then no, he he claims I assaulted him.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: No, we're not doing that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: We're not doing that. And then, of course maybe this
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no, I'm gonna have
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to go with Luigi Mangioni and his beautiful life de reild.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you recall Shana Hubers that gave her ex
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: boyfriend the quote nose jop he always wanted with a handgun. Listen,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Ary Vain.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: One of our last conversations we had that was good
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: was sitting wants my best friend of the dnist to
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: do with the near and wants to get a noob,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: just that kind of person. And I'm right here. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: gave him his nose doob he wanted.
• 49:54
  Speaker 18: I want to marry me?
• 49:55
  Speaker 15: If they know that I kill one boyfriend and helped.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not you know, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Forensics and death Investigator. Your forte is dead, bodies and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: causes of death and modes of death. Let me go
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: to special guests joining us now, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angie Arnold,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: what is that. I don't know if you saw this
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: for yourself, but me Andngioni's defensive team is actually arguing
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: his life was derailed by the murder charges.
• 50:37
  Speaker 20: You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
• 50:41
  Speaker 20: Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
• 50:46
  Speaker 20: of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
• 50:51
  Speaker 20: the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all they've.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Got to say.
• 50:55
  Speaker 20: That is the only thing they've got.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the facts and the law.
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: Listen taking orders as she tells the operator, I have
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: of them is no better The nine one one operator
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: ask for a description, with the manager applying, the only
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: thing you can see is the eyebrows.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Joining us is Sky Lazarro. She's a veteran criminal defense attorney.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: She's practiced in both She's practiced in both state and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: federal court. She is with Ray Quinny and Nebeker. Sky.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. If the defense is
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: arguing that Luigimi and Gioni was illegally arrested, the nine
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to one one call occurred before the arrest, So what
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: could be the possible grounds for supper that call by
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the McDonald's manager.
• 52:03
  Speaker 21: I think they're going to have a really hard time
• 52:05
  Speaker 21: keeping the nine one one call out.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: I can understand it from a defense perspective.
• 52:09
  Speaker 21: You have to try, but when it comes to nine
• 52:12
  Speaker 21: one one calls, as long as you can lay the
• 52:13
  Speaker 21: foundation for it, it's probably coming in.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing I know, sky Lazarro,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that they hate about this nine to one one call.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slighings
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of four Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Brian Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows.
• 52:39
  Speaker 22: Listen, just remember seeing this figure that was like not fat, obviously,
• 52:44
  Speaker 22: but more of like the skinnier tongue build and some
• 52:47
  Speaker 22: mask on.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the mask.
• 52:49
  Speaker 22: Exactly was, but when I thought about it, it was
• 52:51
  Speaker 22: just like covering here and here. I don't know if
• 52:53
  Speaker 22: it's covering his mouth his nose or below his mouth
• 52:55
  Speaker 22: and nose. I just remember knowing that he was white,
• 52:59
  Speaker 22: but I don't know how he was. I just knew
• 53:00
  Speaker 22: he was. And this knowing there's like I knew he
• 53:03
  Speaker 22: looked at me because of the bushy eye.
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: That's all I remember.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: cold Blood. You know, I have had a killer identified.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: identified because he walked sleugh footed in other words, like
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: it up. They're all sorts of ways to identify someone.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: It can be by voice that, it could be any
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: number of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: bushy eyebrows, and there's no doubt that's Luigimi. They hate it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: They hate that identification, Tom.
• 54:05
  Speaker 18: Yeah, they do, because you know it shows how important
• 54:08
  Speaker 18: Nancy and we did this when we first started talking
• 54:11
  Speaker 18: about this case, how important the videos and all the
• 54:15
  Speaker 18: photos were to get out to the public, even if
• 54:18
  Speaker 18: his face was covered, even if he was in a
• 54:20
  Speaker 18: cab or whatever it was, because those eyebrows jumped off
• 54:25
  Speaker 18: the page to everyone who looked at it. That was
• 54:28
  Speaker 18: the number one thing that everyone looked at as a
• 54:31
  Speaker 18: looking point and identification point when it came to him.
• 54:35
  Speaker 18: And it just showed that the quicker they got those
• 54:38
  Speaker 18: photos out, the better it was.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: by his eyebrows, among other things. Let's say the pictures
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is at McDonald's.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: But Skyle is all right. Don't you think that the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: defense should be more concerned learned about the fact that
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: he can be identified. At the time of the killing,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: he showed his face repeatedly.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: I agree with you.
• 55:09
  Speaker 21: He probably should have been a little bit more careful
• 55:11
  Speaker 21: at that time and that should be the stuff they're
• 55:13
  Speaker 21: seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
• 55:16
  Speaker 21: it goes to the nine to one one call the
• 55:18
  Speaker 21: defenses probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
• 55:23
  Speaker 21: identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
• 55:27
  Speaker 21: so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
• 55:30
  Speaker 21: They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
• 55:33
  Speaker 21: The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
• 55:36
  Speaker 21: turns out.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: To be him speaking of getting to the McDonald's. The
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: defense is arguing that while he wasn't really under arrest,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: he was kind of under arrest because so many police
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: started showing up and massing at the McDonald's. They were concerned,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: if this is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: with him, so they were right now. What the defense
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: is arguing is that having multipolice, multiple police officers show
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: up is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: care because police engage in a conversation with him to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: identify him, and he spilled a lot of information in
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: that conversation. The state says it was before his arrest.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Why does it matter because a statement taken while you
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: are in custody without miranda will be suppressed. So they
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: want the judge to believe that because several police officers
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: showed up at McDonald's, that me and Gioni was effectively
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: under arrest in any statements he made pre miranda should
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: be suppressed. That's not going to happen. When I walk
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: into let's just pretend a Chipotle and all the Atlantic
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: PD are in the getting a salad, I don't feel
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: like I'm under arrest. Think about it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: Listen, Mangoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's.
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: Mangoni sits to eat breakfast. At nine oh three. Eleven
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: minutes later, the nine one one call is made. Nine
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: twenty eight two police officers show up and begin talking
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: to Mangoni. The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: until nine forty two, when at least eight officers are
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: visible on the recording. The defense claims packing the place
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: with police amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest.
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: Agnifilo argues police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: to illegally detaining the alleged killer Agnifilo also takes exception
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: with the way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest,
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: claiming it was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: In other words, they looked in his backpack. Cheryl McCollum
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: joining me. She is not only a crime scene investigator
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: is also the star of a hit podcast which I
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: actually put on a loop sometimes, Cheryl McCollum, Zone seven.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, has it ever dawned on you when you
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: go into McDonald's for a cup of coffee, that you're
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: arresting somebody, that you're a mere presence equals an arrest,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: because that's what they're arguing and what they're trying to do, Cheryl,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: is get out from under what Manngione said to police
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: I think the body cam is going to be so
• 58:32
  Speaker 11: critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: It's going to, you know, show the world that he
• 58:39
  Speaker 11: stood up and thought he was under arrest. Only a
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: guilty person would think that, Nancy. What the defense is
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: doing is there basically, look, you use manure to make
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: something grow, right, So they are planting and cultivating and
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: trying to grow this story that he's the victim, that
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: he didn't do anything, that he was under arrest and
• 58:59
  Speaker 11: now use anything, and it's just be it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
• 59:13
  Speaker 23: He's a young man, and he is being treated like
• 59:16
  Speaker 23: a human pingpong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 23: they are literally treating him like he is like some
• 59:27
  Speaker 23: sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: He was on display for everyone.
• 59:31
  Speaker 23: To see in the biggest staged purp walk I've ever
• 59:34
  Speaker 23: seen in my career. There was no reason for the
• 59:37
  Speaker 23: NYPD and everybody to have these big assault rifles that frankly,
• 59:41
  Speaker 23: I had no idea it was in their arsenal, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 23: to have all of these these the press there, the
• 59:47
  Speaker 23: media there, It was like perfectly choreographed. And what was
• 59:50
  Speaker 23: the New York City mayor doing at this press conference?
• 59:53
  Speaker 14: He is a walking, talking contradiction.
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: He supposedly is again this wealthy ceo, yet he comes
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 11: for money.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: This is a guy living in a high rise in Honolulu,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: waking up to the beach every morning. Did she wake
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: up to a BH this morning?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 22: That I certainly not.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and nail to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: keep out what happened in that McDonald's, and as Cheryl
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: McCombs pointing out, that bodycam is going to be so
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: significant because it doesn't matter what the state says. It
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the defense says or how much Luigim
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what really
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: nine one one call suppressed, that's not happening. But what
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: happened in the McDonald's is the state going to lose
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: valuable evidence on allegal technicality? Why is it they want
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that backpack suppressed? Straight out to investigator at large for
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com kill Leb Brantley. What was in the backpack? Nancy?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 12: There was a three D p gun. It's a handgun
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 12: which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 12: There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it. Then
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 12: he also had a knife on him, which was discovered
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 12: about twenty minutes later. So he was armed, and at
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 12: that point he was considered very dangerous.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, what did you say? Was written in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Mangione's spiral notebook that was in his backpack.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 12: That he wanted any use the word whack the healthcare
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 12: CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: No wonder they want it suppressed to Dave mac crime
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Stori's investigative reporter, tell me about the three D gun
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: sometimes called a ghost gun.
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  Speaker 17: But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 17: given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 17: know it's a pistol, but we don't know the exact
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 17: name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 17: amount of time and filament far more than any other.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 17: Is the most common, and it's the easiest one to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 17: print and takes the shortest amount of time. The Liberator
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 17: takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 17: Nancy thirty hours to print the easiest of all the pistols.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: made on a three D printer. Tom, It's unserialized. That's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: is long gun is shotgun under the bed. You think
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: gun is un serialized?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 18: Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 18: do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 18: And that is why so many criminals and Luigi Maggioni
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 18: of course went to the lengths that he did to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 18: make that gun, because that is the pre term and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 18: premeditation of it. Already, he's already thinking ahead of that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 18: gun not being traced to him, and that is part
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 18: of this as well.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith, you're exactly correct. To Joseph Scott Morgan, let
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: death scenes, and he's a star of hit podcast Body.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 19: Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 19: is silenced, it is suppressed. That means that the crack
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 19: of the sound. You're talking about a perhaps supersonic round.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 19: It's traveling, you know, past the speed of sounds. So
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 19: what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 19: put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 19: I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 19: close look at that weapon there. The end of that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 19: muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 19: it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 19: is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 19: It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 19: want to knock down the sound. So it's not going
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 19: to draw attention to you when you fired this thing.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 19: Because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 19: This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 19: in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 19: a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 19: like it's portrayed in movies, okay, But it will reduce
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 19: the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 19: of this is so that you're not going to draw
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 19: attention to anyone. It does reduce, say, some of the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 19: capabilities of the weapon as far as the effec activeness
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 19: of it at a greater range. But this is this
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 19: is not a close range. As a matter of fact,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 19: if we were to look at the body here, it
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 19: would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 19: have any kind of uh sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 19: It will have fallen away by that time. But this
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 19: is not too distant of a shot. You'll still have
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 19: that same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 19: effectively lethal.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: is with us, Cheryl who has un serialized guns and silencers.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: Criminals and methy There's another thing. Even though this is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: a three D printed weapon, it's still going to lead
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 11: marking on capons and they're going to be able to be,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: you know, determined that this weapon fired the bullet that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 11: murdered Brian Thompson. So forensically, it's not going to get
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: you out of trouble. They may not can trace it
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 11: to a manufacturer, to a bar that they can absolutely
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 11: determine that that bullet was fired by that weapon.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you're so right. And Tom Smith, this is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like a fish in water for you. Every day you
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: were getting off the streets of Manhattan guns to match
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: with bullets, bullets that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: And Cheryl said it right. A bullet hurls down the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: barrel of a gun, that gun may look like all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the other guns in the gun store showcase, but it's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: not because inside the barrel, the metal has cooled in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: a certain way and it leaves ridges and imperfections on
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the inside of the barrel, and as that bullet shoots
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: down the barrel, it is forever marked by those imperfections.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: So when you take the murder weapon to the crime
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: lab and you shoot a bullet through the murder weapon,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: and you take the known bullet dug out of the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: victim and you put it under a microscope next to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the one you just shot, it's like a fingerprint. No
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: other gun, be it a three D printed gun, a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Grandma's Bessie's out from under her her mattress, you can
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: track and identify like a fingerprint, that bullet came from
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: that gun. Isn't that true?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 18: And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 18: the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 18: the twist marks and all of that is what you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 18: match up. And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 18: you know, to anyone else. It is strictly to that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 18: weapon that you will catch up the weapon, take the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 18: round taken out of the victim, and match it up.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 18: And that is damaging when it comes to court.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: D pretty gun is the murder weapon. Listened to Alvin Bragg,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 16: For nearly an hour. We alleged the defendant waited in
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 16: the area near the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 16: to appear. From six thirty eight am to six forty
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 16: four am. The defendant stood across from the entrance of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 16: the hotel on West fifty fourth Street. When he saw
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 16: mister Thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, Daily Mail. The defense for Luigi Manngiani is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: also trying to suppress statements he allegedly made to his guards.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: He had special guard yards behind bars, so nothing would
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: happen to him like it did to Epstein. So let's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: first talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: was minding Mangioni. What did Mangioni allegedly say to Rivers? Nancy.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 12: Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 12: had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 12: compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 12: was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 12: at social media, they were really more focused about the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi said.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: This was really about Wow.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a confession to me. Sky, lazarro Oopsie.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 21: Nancy, I agree and disagree.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 21: They put these guys in a situation like that, in
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 21: solitary where they can't talk to anybody else. And the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 21: other thing is that we know these officers didn't document
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 21: any of this. They're supposed to be taking notes seven
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 21: times an hour about what he's doing and his well being,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 21: and they don't write down anything like he just made.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: An a mission.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Sky Lazarro, did you say it's a problem he's being
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: held in solitary. You know who else is in solitary,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Brian Thompson, Except his is a casket. So you're telling
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: me again, I can't believe you're buying into this sky Lazarro,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: that he's the one that's being tormented. You know what else?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: He told Rivers that Rivers should really read Doors a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: perception by all this Huxley, which is all about psychedelic
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: drug trips and mystical interpretations. Needless to say, Rivers did
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: not read the book. But there is another guard that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: he talked to. This is the one I'm really interested in.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: Listen, Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: That doesn't stop man from telling Henry he was caught
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 9: with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 9: murder CEO Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Agnifilo challenges Henry, saying,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: so he just blurted out to you that he had
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 9: a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies, yes too.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold joining us. She's a renowned psychiatrist out
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Jurisdiction, at Angela Arnold dot com forim
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on. Former medical director
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor Angela Arnold. Why is
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: this so hard? I bet a jury's not going to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: have a hard time believing this that Luigi Mangioni, who
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: has had a lifetime of entitlement, would blab to his
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: guards why they're his new friends? They would never betray him?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Right yep?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Oh sure?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 24: And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers from some sort
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 24: of personality disorder in which he thinks about himself an
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 24: awful lot. So he really doesn't He may not see
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 24: that he's done anything wrong, and he probably hasn't suffered
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 24: any consequences for any of his actions in the past,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 24: and so that would make him more likely to almost
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 24: be bragging about what he's done and to let other
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 24: people know what he's done. This is typical for his
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 24: behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom What is Wrong?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: With rich people. Do they think they can just get
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: away with everything, anything and everything they can confess they
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: can stay. Yeah, they caught me with a three D
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: print and gun, which is the murder Weapon's wrong with them?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Have you noticed the same sense of entitlement sometimes does
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: them in because they think they can buy off everybody,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: that everybody wants to be their friend, but these two
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: guards do not want to be his friend.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 18: Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 18: they've gotten what they wanted. They'd either pay for it
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 18: or the power that they have has influenced someone's decision
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 18: into what they're getting or what they're doing. And they
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 18: just think that holds true for every aspect of their life,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 18: including killing someone. I mean, that's how deranged they are
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 18: when it comes to the entitlement that they believe they
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 18: are are owed when it comes to murder or you know,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 18: killing a bride. We did that show. You know, it's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 18: just constant and it just keeps coming up and it's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 18: absolutely disgusting.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Tom. I want you to look at a picture if
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I can get the controller and to put it up
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: for me, dig through those files. I want to see
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: the picture allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: three D with the silencer on it, pointing directly at
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Thompson's back. According to police, he waited an hour
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: for just the right moment. There's his backpack, which was
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: recovered at the McDonald's. There's his outfit which he had
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: with him. There's the three D weapon, and let's look
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: at Brian Thompson walking along early morning going to a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: work conference. He shot in the back right there. And
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to play that when he actually gets shot,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: because someday, somehow his boys might look this up online
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't want this to be stuck in their memory.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Calli Brantley. Were any of me g Only's family members
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: in court and were any of the victims' family members
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: in court this week?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: Not that we know of Nancy, but a lot of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 12: Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 12: by having hordes of fans, because he is a handsome man,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 12: that he is benefiting from pretty privilege? And I'm sure
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 12: his defense team is happy that they have a relatively
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 12: attractive man as a client.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Kila, I don't find him attractive. Every time I look
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: at him, I see a tail swishing in the back
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and two horns right here. That's what I see. What
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: is happening in court this week is critical. If this
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: evidence is suppressed, there may be no justice in this case.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: A man shut down on the sidewalk on video and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: no justice. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Christ signing off,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 14: M hmm