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Ep. 198 Sh*t Saves the World w/ Troy Hale (Privychat 51) · Privycast

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  Hi everyone.
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  This episode of Privy is not as family friendly as other episodes.
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  What I mean by that is it contains the use of a euphemism for pooping that we normally don't use as often on the show, but it's used because it's the title of our guests' work
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  and it felt weird to censor that out.
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  So if you're sensitive to alternative names for poop,
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  crap or take an adduce that begin with the letter S, this might be one that you want to pre-screen ah if you share with kids.
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  Otherwise, thanks for being here and I hope
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  Welcome back to privy.
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  privy is a podcast about bathrooms recorded from my home bathroom.
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  I'm your host, Hunter Hoover, and I love bathrooms.
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  Welcome back everybody.
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  Thank you so much for being here.
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  And, and it's another, I'm always baffled by, we've got a lot to be thankful for.
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  And I think we're going to talk a lot about thankfulness this episode, but I'm joined.
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  and I'm really excited about this, cause it's been, it's been mulling in my brain for some time, but I am joined via the internet.
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  by I'll say Professor Troy Hale, but I'll let you kind of introduce who you are, but Troy Hale, and I reached out to him because he is well known for a couple of documentaries that
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  are very bathroom related.
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  So Troy, welcome to the show.
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  Thanks.
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  Thanks so much.
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  feel dumb.
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  should have set up in the bathroom behind me.
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  No, you're fine.
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  No worries.
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  Yeah, it started as a shtick to be in the bathroom and then it never, that's the joke that keeps on giving.
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  So here we are.
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  Yeah.
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  So Troy, sure, whatever you would like for folks who listen to a podcast about bathrooms to know about you, but you're a teacher, professor.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm a professor of practice.
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  I teach filmmaking, documentary and TV journalism.
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  That's awesome.
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  That's awesome.
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  Where are you at doing that?
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  ah I am in Michigan.
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  Michigan.
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  Sweet.
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  Very cool.
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  Is it blustery out there?
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  You guys have like-
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  Yeah, I was, I didn't go outside today.
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  Yeah, that's fair.
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  No, it's, I'm over here in Oregon and so we're like, we pretend like it's cold, but I grew up in Montana and so I do know what the snowy, just blustery ice is.
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  So yeah, glad you're staying warm.
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  Yeah, and so how did you get involved with filmmaking and journalism and all that stuff?
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  Was it just something that you always loved growing up or?
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  I always talk to my students about this.
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  was dumb luck.
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  uh I graduated college and didn't know what to do.
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  I was a theater minor and a comm major and you put that together and you get television.
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  And there's a local TV station around the corner from my college and I applied there, got a job and did that for eight years, went around the country and worked at a station in
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  Miami, worked in Minneapolis, Memphis, Tennessee, just kind of jumped around the country.
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  never, it wasn't, you know,
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  what I thought I would always do, but for some reason I got kind of good at it.
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  And that allowed me to now teach it at a university.
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  So that's amazing.
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  Yeah, that's super cool.
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  So yeah, any of the young people out there, I work at a public high school.
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  young people out there, take those opportunities.
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  You never know where they're gonna go, I guess is maybe the lesson learned there.
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  Yeah, just do stupid crap.
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  That's what I do all the time, so.
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  That's right.
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  That's right.
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  Speaking of which, and we might be, you know, diving in way quick here, but you, you have made, you've made multiple documentaries and like short form documentaries.
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  was kind of taking a peek through your roster, but two obviously stuck out to me.
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  And I actually heard of what I believe is the more recent, The Shit Saves the World.
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  Yep.
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  And then you also have a documentary about farts.
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  Is that, is that real?
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  Okay.
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  Yep, farted documentary.
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  Yep.
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  Perfect.
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  I will confess, I have not seen the documentary on farting.
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  did watch the more recent one just because when it came out, I was kind of in the throes of getting this show and I'm like, man, this is too good.
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  I have to jump in here.
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  And then I went back and rewatched it last week just to re-familiarize myself.
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  And it's super cool, but I'm...
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  I am curious, what made you want to make either of those shows?
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  Yeah, yeah, I get this question a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  So as I started um at university teaching, I still like to make stuff.
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  So I was always making stuff.
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  And all that stuff I've always made was through a grant or I was hired by a company to make whatever that film was.
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  So I was wondering, and my students were asking me, how do I make money making films?
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  Or how do you make money making films?
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  I go, well, OK, you have to have something people want to watch and they got to buy it.
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  So both of these two films were kind of my first two experiments into commercial filmmaking.
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  And in order to do that, well, let me come up with a ridiculous idea with a good title that people will want to click on when they're scrolling through Netflix or Apple TV or
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  Amazon or Tubi, wherever the film is these days.
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  So that was the idea.
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  And Farta documentary was first.
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  And that one has been kind of successful.
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  It's still...
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  People are still watching and still paying for it.
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  So that's great.
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  A Shit Saves the World was the follow-up to that, which I think is a much better film produced because you're always making better films than the last one.
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  And it has more of a message.
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  It's stronger as a film to me, but it's not quite as successful right now.
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  Farta documentary seems to be the one that's selling and people like to buy it.
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  Fascinating.
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  Wow.
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  yeah, I will, like I said, I can't wait.
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  I actually only in the last month or so found out about FARTed documentary.
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  And I'm like, what?
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  But I do, you know, as you said, like the message and I don't wanna, what I don't wanna do is just talk about it because I want people to go watch it.
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  To the listener.
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  Yeah, If listener, if you're hearing this, it was very easy to get.
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  can rent it or buy it and it was available on the big name platform.
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  So go seek this out.
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  I will say having purchased it, it is worth it.
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  It is very, you know, I think it's very funny, but it's also very informative.
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  And I will say there's times with this show that I feel like I have tapped, you know, every, every vein of bathroom, whatever that is available.
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  And even in watching your show,
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  the first time and then back again a few weeks ago, I was like, shoot, like there's something more that I totally, you know, and so it's very informative.
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  I'm a big fan, obviously.
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  Yeah, I enjoyed it and I just, the premise in short is like wherever humans go, we're gonna make a mess.
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  And so we had better figure out how to use our mess is, yeah, and it's.
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  It's just a great message.
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  you, did you do a lot of international travel for the documentary?
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  Yeah, a little bit.
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  I had one friend that I reached out to that did the Mexico shoot for me.
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  I did go to Tanzania.
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  Wow.
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  I do some international travel.
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  So with that, I said, well, just throw a camera in your bag because you might want to shoot something.
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  Honestly, I didn't think I was going to get anything in Tanzania.
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  I just brought my camera just for the fun of it for the trip I was on.
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  And then I just started getting a lot of good stuff.
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  So that was shocking to me too.
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  But yeah, anywhere I go, mean, first of all, like for anybody,
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  You know, we all carry these things in our pockets.
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  know, there, we have a camera with us, a really beautiful HD or a 4K camera on our phones.
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  So anytime you see anything cool, you can just get a shot of it.
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  That's, that's what I'm talking to my current documentary students about, cause they need to go out and shoot stuff.
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  I'm like, when you see something, just shoot it.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  That's just another one of those technology things that I think we take for granted is like, we've got a super computer and a high-res camera just floating around in our pocket.
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  Yeah.
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  There's more tech, there's more technology in your pocket than we used to land on the moon.
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  my gosh.
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  Yeah.
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  And.
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  And we're using it for fart and shit jokes right now.
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  Yeah, yeah, to talk about bathrooms.
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  And listener, just so you know, like, in Shit Saves the World, they go to the moon.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That was fascinating.
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  uh
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  left shit on the moon.
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  Yep.
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  Yep.
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  As you were researching and doing all the info grab for that, did you know a lot of that information or was it becoming new to you as you took that on?
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  Yeah, I like to say that documentary for me is a process of discovery.
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  So first you need at least a subject matter that you're like, okay, this is a direction and nobody's really done this.
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  ah So, okay, that makes sense.
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  I'm going in this direction.
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  And then you start researching.
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  And like you said, and it sounds ridiculous, like I'm researching a shit film, right?
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  But I had like 98 pages of a word document just full of stuff.
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  I have stuff that still, I didn't even get in the film.
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  was just so, there's,
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  a bunch of like poop museums around the world.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  And now that I finished the film, and this always happens, every time you finish the film, it's like, oh, I just found this.
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  Oh, that would have been perfect for the film.
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  So yeah.
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  And funnily enough, tomorrow morning, I'm having my students meet me at the library because they're going to start researching their films.
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  Oh, wow.
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  So yeah, there's a lot of work that goes into these kinds of things, even though they're
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  ridiculous films.
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  Yeah.
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  No, hey, that's super cool.
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  And I love that you're giving that hands-on with that filmmaking.
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  feel like that's the best way to learn that craft.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  You can sit around and watch and go, well, what do we do?
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  But to go out and do it is, I can't imagine.
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  You are currently inside of the maximum interaction that I have in video making.
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  Right here.
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  But it's such a cool thing.
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  yeah, just the documentary, I...
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  Was Tanzania where they made the roofs out of the cow poo?
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  Was that?
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  Yeah, that's the shot that I have, but yeah, but they've been doing that for years.
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  mean, that was a way to insulate, you know, as human beings, we use what we have, and that was something that was a readily uh available resource.
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  And even today, you know, in part of the film, I say, what's the most natural, you know, renewable resource we have?
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  We're always gonna produce crap.
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  So if we could find stuff to do with it, then that makes it a valuable resource that we can keep using.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah, and I had no idea some of the things that were going on.
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  Some of that water technology, said, ooh, that is a scary thought.
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  But it's also cool.
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  Outside of these documentaries, are you pretty like, I like to use the phrase bathroom public, where are you pretty open about bathrooms and bathroom life, or is this just kind
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  of like this weird corner of your existence that is these documentaries?
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  I guess it depends what you mean by comfortable.
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  I was just curious, because they're pretty candid, these documentaries.
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  Even in Even Shit Saves the World, you note that there's a stigma in the boys that are talking about their experience of how they talk about it.
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  I think that's why I started doing this show was to kind of bust down whatever stigma might exist.
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  As you said, we all go to the bathroom.
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  And so, you know, but everybody's got a different comfort level with talking about, you know, bathroom life and things.
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  And so I'm just curious, you know, is it one of those things where you're like, but, is it like, well, this is part of the art of the thing and it lives in this space, but over
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  here, I'm pretty, you know, private and reserved.
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  Yeah, I think it's also part of the comedic aspect of it all, right?
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  With the podcast and with Farta documentary and shit saves the world.
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  It's in your face.
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  It's not something you talk about often.
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  But you know, the Farta documentary was the first time I came up with a really ridiculous off the wall idea.
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  And it was because we were just chatting with some friends over dinner and we got into this conversation.
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  It just became hilarious because there was women and men at the table and we just started cracking jokes.
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  And because it's something we don't talk about, that's what makes it funny.
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  Yeah, yeah, I mean, that, yeah.
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  So I will confess and I wanna, I have a question about the documentary, but I kinda wanna save it, because, well, actually I'll put it here and I can edit it around too, if it fits
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  better later.
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  Do you ever, like, do you have inclinations or notions of like a third installment of a bathroom-themed documentary or like shit saves the world two, you know, who knows what's
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  out there, but do you have notions of that?
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  People have asked me that and I said, you know, I'm not doing a trilogy on this.
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  I just happened to hit two topics.
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  And like Shit Saves the World came out from somewhere else.
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  There's a local place here that uh is doing energy from waste.
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  So I said, well, I mean, it's right around the corner.
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  It's like three miles away from where I'm right now.
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  So I said, well, I'll call them and I'll take a camera over there and see if it's even worth it.
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  Because it's a professor, right?
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  And the professors were talking about bioenergy and those kinds of things.
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  And I wanted to do it more like, know, Stephen Colbert kind of thing, you know, just joking around.
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  And I was wondering, is this guy gonna joke around with me?
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  He's a PhD.
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  And he had a good sense of humor.
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  So it turned out well.
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  We were playing off each other, going back and forth a little bit.
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  go, okay, maybe this, maybe I can reach out to people that won't be so serious about what they do.
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  Even though, mean, what he does is incredible.
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  There's a whole power plant over there.
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  So that's how that came out.
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  And I have an iPhone full of documentary ideas and not, these were the only two that are in that area.
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  But you do want to find something original.
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  And finding something original is so difficult.
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  So those two were original and sellable.
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  And those were my goals was to go out to LA, go to the American film market, sell the film, go through that process, and then be able to go back into the classroom when my
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  students say, how do I sell films and go, well, here's how I did it.
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  Yeah.
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  Here's what the pain in the ass of it is.
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  Here's what the good part of it is.
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  Yeah.
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  Here's how much money it cost me to do it.
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  wait, you have to pay?
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  Yes.
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  You have to make everything first.
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  and then you can go into the business side of things.
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  it's a process.
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  uh
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  Yeah.
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  No, and I think, I think a lot of times when people just set out and they're like, you know what, I just want to make my millions so I can have my millions, you know, I mean,
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  good for them.
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  But like to hear you say, like, I went out there and did it and brought it back so I could show these students and, and like, talk about the thing to me, that's, I don't want to, I
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  may be more noble, but it's just like, it's a better feeling of a cause behind it.
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  Like, I hope you make a fortune off the documentaries, truly.
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  But, like,
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  I will tell you that's not the case.
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  I would not be able to survive off the royalties on the film.
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  It's nice money coming in, it's extra stuff I didn't expect, but I have a full-time job.
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  And that's what I tell my students, especially when they're trying to go out and make it in the film world or the TV world.
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  I say, get a job at a TV station, do your fun stuff on the side, see if it sells, see if it doesn't sell.
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  If it does, great, you can get rid of that full-time job and you can do that as your main gig.
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  But I can't do it as a main gig.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm curious and you'll note a little bit of my ADHD popcorn brain as we go here, but like I work with high school kids who a lot of times, you they watch, they watch whoever on
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  YouTube and they're like, I'm going to be a YouTuber.
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  Do you, do you run into that like YouTube kind of like pipe dream as much at the college level?
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  Yeah, yeah, mean, students are used to, they want to produce what they're used to watching, and now students watch a lot more on their phones than they do with TV or film.
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  So I'll have a lot of, I have a lot of students doing journalism work, holding a little lavalier microphone in front of their mouth, like you see on TikTok.
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  Right, right.
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  That's a TikTok style thing to get attention, to get likes and all that stuff, but it's not something you see your local newscaster do.
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  So I have to show them the differences between, and I don't wanna call the social media stuff unprofessional because there's some really good stuff on there.
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  But there's a difference between doing a professional TV show and then doing a social media hit.
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  So yeah, I absolutely have to take them through that.
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  And then we also, I mean, we have some classes here about personal branding and those kinds of things where it's like, okay, well, what is your message?
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  What do you wanna do?
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  Well, I want to go on and I want to do a sports, a TikTok.
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  I go, well, how many of those exist already?
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  You know, so if you find your niche in the world, doing a podcast in your bathroom, you know, not many people are doing that.
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  So, I mean, I think that's genius, right?
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  So that's what I have to get them to think of, like, what is your brand and what is your originality kind of thing.
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  Yeah.
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  No, that's cool.
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  I appreciate that.
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  Cause it sparked it when you said like, go do the thing you love, but make sure you have, you know, whatever that source of income is while you do it.
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  That's kind of been a lot of what I've told the kids.
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  Cause it's like, you know, I'm to play video games for YouTube and I'm going, ah, man, I hope you're really good.
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  Also like talking to you right now, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that you're going to sell this as much as you want and trying to be real with some kids, but also not like.
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  you know, making them give up on their dream of whatever.
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  Cause you know, you never know who's going to be the next internet sensation.
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  That's helpful.
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  Yeah.
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  That's, that's super helpful.
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  I do, I am curious something about, and I don't know the degree and if I ever, if I ever ask a question and you answer and you're later on, you're like, eh, I actually probably
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  shouldn't have that in there.
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  I run into that sometimes the nature of the show, but I am curious, you, is there a bathroom on campus that's like,
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  the bathroom.
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  It's like the best one.
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  You know, I'm trying, I can't think of one.
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  I mean, there's definitely bathrooms that are better.
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  You know, I'm at a major university that's been around since 1800s.
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  So it's, you know, there's some really terrible old ones and then there's some brand new ones.
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  yeah, the one across my office is kind of old, but it's fine.
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  But if I walk down the hall, they just redid one and it's pretty nice.
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  It's over by the dean's office.
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  Yeah, there you go.
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  So.
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  But no, can't think of like the bathroom.
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  But I can tell you like in the past, just for me personally, yeah, there's like, I'll be like, I'm gonna go down to that bathroom, because I like that one better than this one.
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  I mean, even in my house, I've got three and I got one that I like better than the other two.
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  Yeah.
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  oh
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  Yeah, it's weird how we do that.
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  Like, yeah, creatures of habit maybe.
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  This one has much better lighting.
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  I don't know what it is.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Yeah, it, shoot.
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  Yeah.
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  Lighting is that's something I never thought I would care as much about in a bathroom in my entire life.
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  Right.
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  Here we are.
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  So I've had a few questions that I ask everybody and so feel free if, and if it's like, I don't know.
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  But do you have a, do you have a specific brand or type of toilet paper that you prefer?
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  the red one.
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  Who charmant red bag charmant.
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  I guess that's it.
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  mean, I go through the same aisle all the time and I kind of think I always grab the same one.
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  So it must be that.
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  Yeah, it must be that one.
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  Man, that's good stuff.
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  That's-
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  if, cause if you go with the, the, what the, the, the brand of whatever grocery store in it's just crap.
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  so yeah, I, I'm getting older in my age.
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  I just had my birthday and yeah, life's too short to have bad toilet paper.
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  That's right, that's right.
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  I could not agree more.
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  And when you guys got on the roll, are you going over under with it?
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  Or do you have a...
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  You always go over.
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  oh Beards are cool, mullets are not.
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  then every time I get into an argument about somebody on social media about this, because I have my shit saves the world, you know, TikTok page, you know, they'll always argue
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  against me.
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  And I just put a picture of the patent and the patent shows it going over the front.
• 21:28
  Yup, it is.
• 21:29
  It's damning evidence for sure.
• 21:32
  But I understand, have a cat too, and I understand, like if you put it over the front, yeah, the cat's gonna go nuts on it.
• 21:38
  I guess I'm probably like some backwards version of Montana where I'm just like, it's on the roll.
• 21:45
  like, and my wife is the one who has cultured me.
• 21:49
  She's like, no, no, no, it must go over.
• 21:51
  Everything else is wrong.
• 21:53
  And so we're learning the hard way.
• 21:55
  uh
• 21:56
  I'm not crazy enough to do the fold like you do at the hotels and stuff.
• 21:59
  Oh, yeah, that's a lot.
• 22:00
  But it's very nice when they do that.
• 22:02
  Yeah, if you went over to someone's house and they had it, would you flip it around?
• 22:06
  No, I'm not that crazy.
• 22:09
  But I'm going to secretly judge him.
• 22:11
  Yeah, for sure.
• 22:14
  You hold them in a certain category.
• 22:15
  That's good.
• 22:16
  Right.
• 22:17
  Right.
• 22:17
  Do you prefer bar soap or liquid soap?
• 22:20
  That's a great question.
• 22:22
  Generally, I think I prefer the bar stuff, but I've had the liquid stuff for years now just because it's convenient.
• 22:29
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  But I think I prefer bar.
• 22:33
  I think older people prefer the bar stuff.
• 22:36
  It is the trajectory.
• 22:38
  I've just kind of crossed over into the bar world.
• 22:41
  I used to tell everybody liquid, liquid, and now here we are.
• 22:45
  Do you have a preferred, not a sponsor, but do you got a favorite bar?
• 22:53
  No, no, I don't think I do.
• 22:54
  It's blue.
• 22:56
  Okay.
• 22:58
  I can't think of what it is now.
• 23:00
  Blue?
• 23:02
  Well, yeah, it's a blue one.
• 23:03
  But I've been doing the liquid stuff just because it's so convenient now.
• 23:08
  And if you go to the gym, they've got the, I'm used to it now.
• 23:11
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 23:13
  What are you feeling about baths?
• 23:15
  Like how do you just feel about baths in general?
• 23:17
  I am a shower person and I'll stay in there for like 45 minutes.
• 23:21
  Yes.
• 23:22
  it's just, yeah, hot shower, I'm happy.
• 23:26
  I do a bath if I've played a lot of sports and my muscles, my legs are killing me.
• 23:30
  Oh yeah.
• 23:31
  Then I'll do that.
• 23:31
  But I can't think of the last time I had a bath.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  What's your sport of choice?
• 23:37
  you have like some that you gravitate toward?
• 23:40
  I was a soccer player until I got injured a whole bunch of times.
• 23:43
  uh Then I started running and uh I did a half Ironman.
• 23:48
  That's where you take the bath afterwards.
• 23:50
  uh now I'm getting back into tennis because it's easy to just go to the club and sign up for a class.
• 23:59
  So that's awesome.
• 23:59
  Yeah, very cool.
• 24:01
  That's awesome.
• 24:03
  Do have any bathroom pet peeves, like things that people do in the bathroom that just drives you up a wall?
• 24:11
  leaving a whole crap load of makeup out.
• 24:15
  You know, just having the sink completely a mess.
• 24:18
  I guess I have all my pills lined up and those kinds of things.
• 24:21
  I'm not the most clean person in the world, but it's pretty, it's organized in there.
• 24:26
  So if it was just a mess, you know, that would drive me nuts.
• 24:29
  Yeah, it's organized chaos.
• 24:31
  like to say, you know, cause people walk in and they'll see, my desk or stuff at work and they're like, my gosh, how do you find anything?
• 24:38
  And it's like, no, no, no.
• 24:39
  Like everything is exactly where I know that it's at and give me five seconds.
• 24:44
  I can find that for you.
• 24:46
  But to the onlooker, they'll see it and it's just, it's absolute bedlam to them.
• 24:51
  And I imagine like, that's probably true of most people's countertop and their sink.
• 24:56
  Yeah.
• 24:57
  I had a buddy actually come to my house.
• 24:59
  He's a house sitter and he like critiqued my drawers.
• 25:02
  He went through them all and he's like, man, you've got some weird stuff and weird spots.
• 25:06
  And I'm going, you know what, how dare you?
• 25:09
  Like, what do you mean I'm not supposed to put the liquid in?
• 25:14
  Of course it goes in the bottom drawer.
• 25:16
  Like it's not going to spill.
• 25:17
  And he just, to him is just baffling.
• 25:19
  like, why would you ever do this behavior?
• 25:22
  Right.
• 25:22
  But yeah, no, that's a, do you, so.
• 25:26
  Where you live, you share a bathroom with anybody?
• 25:30
  no, I got my own place.
• 25:31
  that makes it.
• 25:32
  Yeah.
• 25:33
  Yeah.
• 25:34
  I can do whatever I want.
• 25:36
  Yeah.
• 25:36
  No, but hey, like you never, that's like the biggest, that's the biggest grievance that I'm like, the toenails are everywhere.
• 25:42
  It's like, my gosh.
• 25:44
  humans are humans are
• 25:48
  Absolutely.
• 25:49
  Just no matter what your relationship, parents, kids, you know, and I love my family and everything, but, know, yeah, after about five days, it's time to go home.
• 25:58
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:59
  It's, yeah, it's, it's, we're tough to interact.
• 26:03
  They have long interactions with.
• 26:04
  Yeah.
• 26:05
  Do you, so with the shower world, you prefer showers.
• 26:09
  Have you ever taken just a dark shower, like shower in the dark, no lights.
• 26:14
  Yeah, a lot, you know, when it's, when I have to get up early for work or something like that.
• 26:18
  Yeah.
• 26:18
  I leave the lights off.
• 26:19
  That's really nice.
• 26:20
  I'll turn on the light like out in the bedroom or something.
• 26:22
  So I got a little glow, but yeah.
• 26:24
  Yeah, for sure.
• 26:25
  It's like a sensory deprivation thing.
• 26:27
  I'm convinced that this is peak shower behavior.
• 26:31
  you ever have like snack or drink in the shower?
• 26:34
  before, especially after you've played soccer or something like that and you jump in.
• 26:39
  Like I'm still thirsty.
• 26:40
  So I have a real big drink and I, it's very fun to drink an iced drink in a hot shower.
• 26:46
  Yeah.
• 26:47
  Yeah.
• 26:47
  That is an interesting experience.
• 26:49
  Yeah.
• 26:50
  Any snacks?
• 26:51
  In the shower or the bathroom in general.
• 26:53
  um
• 26:54
  have before and probably when I was like 16 or 17.
• 26:58
  I cannot think of anything recent, but I probably have in the last year, yeah.
• 27:05
  Yeah.
• 27:06
  You might've left those things in the past, which, you know, may or may not be bad.
• 27:10
  Well, I don't mind.
• 27:11
  mean, look, if you spill your drink in the shower, big deal.
• 27:14
  And, you know, if I, if I'm crunching on some potato chips, big deal.
• 27:18
  It all cleans out.
• 27:20
  So, yeah.
• 27:21
  Yeah.
• 27:22
  So the mess management, that goes to this next question.
• 27:26
  we had a friend, I have somebody, they said that they eat an orange in the shower like it's an apple.
• 27:30
  So they peel the orange, they got the globe, and instead of like, you know, they just, and the juice.
• 27:37
  Have you ever, or would you ever attempt the shower orange?
• 27:41
  Yeah, that's-
• 27:41
  Sounds fun.
• 27:42
  might have to go get an orange now.
• 27:43
  know, on my walk back from work tomorrow, I'll grab an orange and try it out.
• 27:47
  My buddy said watermelon's good too.
• 27:49
  Like just that.
• 27:51
  But then my thing is then you have this rind that.
• 27:54
  Right.
• 27:54
  Okay.
• 27:55
  Well, now I'm going to deal with it.
• 27:56
  the orange is nice because you can kind of preload it with the, with the peel.
• 28:01
  Yeah.
• 28:02
  As long as I don't get soap on it, know, that would, that would be bad.
• 28:08
  And this is, now is kind of where we get into the like, well, feel free to say, I don't know if I want to go there.
• 28:15
  But is there any sort of like a restaurant or any sort of eating establishment that like when you eat there, you know that it's going to do you dirty.
• 28:26
  I don't have that.
• 28:27
  mean, I know everybody jokes about Taco Bell.
• 28:29
  Yeah.
• 28:30
  And it's a good joke.
• 28:31
  I don't know how true it is, but it's a great joke.
• 28:33
  So that's why we keep doing it.
• 28:35
  And Mexican food is known for that anyway.
• 28:38
  Well, mainly because it's beans, right?
• 28:41
  Yeah, it's-
• 28:43
  But I don't have it for me specifically.
• 28:45
  I don't have anything, you know, specific that it's like, oh crap, I'm gonna have a bad day.
• 28:50
  I know other people do.
• 28:51
  Like they have digestive issues and they know if they eat this, it's gonna be, you know, not a good evening.
• 28:57
  Yeah, yeah.
• 28:58
  You know, I, I've asked going on 50 people that question and Panda Express is the one that like taco, like you said, Taco Bell gets its rap, but I've had more people say, if I eat
• 29:09
  Panda Express, I can almost graph it.
• 29:12
  And I, you know, I, love Panda.
• 29:15
  I never, I've never had that experience, but I mean, it's, it's probably 25 % of the folks that I've talked to have been like, yeah, Panda Express is, is it for me.
• 29:26
  Well, I mean, I do know like coffee and tea, you know, that, that I know is going to do it, but yeah, I can't think of any food at all.
• 29:34
  Yeah.
• 29:35
  That's, that's interesting.
• 29:35
  I'll go, I'll go out to Panda Express tomorrow too.
• 29:38
  Yeah, just do all sorts.
• 29:40
  It's right down the street here.
• 29:44
  By the way, this is not how to get sponsors.
• 29:46
  in case anybody's out there, this is the worst thing to do.
• 29:51
  Yeah, this if any of your students which you know God forbid but like if any of were ever like yeah I'm gonna check this out.
• 29:59
  You could definitely like show them.
• 30:01
  Hey, there's this guy and he did stick the dude wipes in his mouth Oh, flavor them not not the best way to get dude wipes on board turns out it turns out native deodorant when you
• 30:13
  say hey, you're you're uh
• 30:16
  Vanilla toasted marshmallow deodorant does not taste like what you say.
• 30:20
  They don't like you.
• 30:21
  Like I'm kind of in a half internet feud with native deodorant because they keep, I don't know.
• 30:28
  Native, if you're listening, I think you're great.
• 30:30
  But like their branding is so weird because it's like all of their stuff is candy and cookie flavored.
• 30:38
  All of
• 30:38
  well, there's like candy flavored, like floor, you know, cleaner.
• 30:43
  Yeah.
• 30:44
  Yeah.
• 30:44
  And it, and and it looks like it looks like something you would drink.
• 30:48
  So yeah, there's, there's interesting marketing.
• 30:52
  It's just, I, but yeah, I went too far, I guess, and sampled it in a way that they did not like.
• 30:58
  Let's just put that way.
• 31:01
  They were very clear.
• 31:01
  We do not condone and please do not tag us.
• 31:04
  And I'm like, all right, whatever, buddy.
• 31:05
  um And then I kind of have like one big question and then one just kind of a general throw out before I let you.
• 31:13
  Sure, yeah.
• 31:14
  Share what you have, but.
• 31:16
  So I ask everybody, and I'm happy to explain it if needed, but it's, have you ever performed a waffle stomp?
• 31:23
  No, I have I know what you're talking about.
• 31:25
  have not.
• 31:27
  It took me a second.
• 31:30
  Yeah, it always, you know, it's one of those things where people, they're like, and yeah, you can tell that you've done some work around bathrooms and poop.
• 31:39
  Right.
• 31:39
  Because you did.
• 31:40
  But I've done my research, yeah, yeah.
• 31:44
  What would you, you know, if you met somebody and you found out that they had performed one of these, like what would that do to you and their relationship?
• 31:55
  Not, look, nothing really because I, the more and more I do films like this, and I'm not, I'm not a prude or anything like that.
• 32:02
  So I, it's fine to each their own.
• 32:04
  You do you, you know what mean?
• 32:07
  I actually find it interesting.
• 32:09
  I'd probably ask questions.
• 32:11
  So no, I don't think any of that kind of stuff affects me.
• 32:13
  I'm a lot more open in my, just because I don't do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
• 32:18
  Yeah, yeah, valid.
• 32:21
  Yeah, most of the folks I've found, it's usually out of necessity.
• 32:24
  I've yet to meet somebody that's like, no, I full sale this every time.
• 32:28
  I'm like, man, I've yet to run into that.
• 32:33
  Well, the last kind of bathroom related thing that I want to put to you is, you have any, for the bathroom podcast listener, do you have any bathroom wisdom?
• 32:43
  And it can be wisdom that...
• 32:44
  is related to your shows or wisdom that you have gained from those or since, but bathroom related wisdom that you want to leave people with.
• 32:53
  wow.
• 32:53
  Well, with the film itself, it's just about, you know, talking about things we normally don't talk about, making things normal.
• 33:02
  We all do it.
• 33:04
  It's just something we don't talk about.
• 33:06
  So that's what makes it weird.
• 33:09
  But each one of us does it.
• 33:11
  And then with Shit Saves the World, film, the fact that we use clean water to get rid of our waste is really
• 33:22
  Weird, we need clean water to survive.
• 33:26
  And we're using it for our waste.
• 33:28
  So that's an interesting thing.
• 33:29
  And two, there's actually uses for our own waste and stuff that could make money or it could create electricity or in the future, you we're going to stick a whole bunch of
• 33:40
  people in a spaceship and go to Mars.
• 33:44
  All of those people have to crap.
• 33:47
  What are we going to do with it?
• 33:48
  One of the things with spaceships is
• 33:51
  You can use it to line the spacecraft so you save yourself from cosmic radiation.
• 33:56
  It's insulation.
• 33:57
  Yeah.
• 33:58
  So anyway, there's just so many interesting things that could be done.
• 34:02
  And we've normalized sitting on top of clean water and then having it go out of our home using clean water.
• 34:11
  is that the smartest way to do it?
• 34:14
  Maybe there's different things that we could do in the future.
• 34:16
  Yeah.
• 34:17
  Yeah.
• 34:17
  No, that's a good point.
• 34:19
  it's this show and even it was one of those things that kind of resonated as I watched the documentary again is we take a lot for granted in just, you know, the day to day things,
• 34:30
  the fact that like we push a little lever and it's all gone and we never have to interface with it probably ever again.
• 34:36
  and, know, like you're talking to the guy who, does the contamination.
• 34:45
  where he like,
• 34:47
  sanitizes and like reconverts.
• 34:49
  And I'm like, you know, he talks about it like it's magic.
• 34:52
  And for a lot of people, I mean, it is like, so we have a lot to be thankful for.
• 34:58
  yeah, it's super cool.
• 35:01
  And Troy, I'm thankful that you're, stopped by and we're able to do this.
• 35:04
  I know we've been in talks for a bit.
• 35:07
  I want to leave the last bit here.
• 35:08
  Do you, for you to say anything that you would like to say, whether it's, you know,
• 35:13
  where folks can go watch the documentaries or whatever you would like to leave folks with.
• 35:18
  Sure, with Shit Saves the World, the problem we had is I was being a little too creative and I put S-H star T and that screwed up all the SEOs.
• 35:28
  So if you go on and you try to search Amazon for Shit Saves the World, instead of the I, just put in the little asterisks and that'll help people find it.
• 35:38
  But yes, you could find it if it's on Amazon, could find it, Apple TV, you can find it.
• 35:43
  I believe it's Tubi where it's...
• 35:46
  free for both films.
• 35:47
  So you can find Farta documentary and shit saves the world.
• 35:51
  You can find both on other platforms, but you might have to pay 399.
• 35:55
  Yeah.
• 35:55
  Yeah.
• 35:55
  They were, I will say very affordable.
• 35:58
  I actually, purchased shit saves the world because I was like, I'm going to be, I'm going to be returning to this well.
• 36:06
  And so I, like I said, it was super easy.
• 36:09
  Um, but yeah, listener used the asterisk on the, on the eye that'll, that'll help you get there.
• 36:15
  No, I think that's good.
• 36:17
  Um, I might even try to include some links to, some of that stuff in the description and things for you there.
• 36:23
  Yeah.
• 36:24
  Absolutely.
• 36:25
  And FARTed documentary, I've been told that somebody said, I watched it with my kids and we laughed the whole way through it.
• 36:31
  And then some people said, I watched it with my grandparents and we laughed all the way through it.
• 36:35
  That's awesome.
• 36:36
  That's one of those topics that it doesn't matter how old you are, it doesn't matter what culture you're from and what language you speak, everybody laughs at FARTs.
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:46
  Yeah, that's super cool.
• 36:47
  I'm definitely, this is going to go on my, uh, my new year watching, like, here we go.
• 36:53
  We've got all this stuff to watch through.
• 36:55
  So I'm going to be seeking that out for sure.
• 36:57
  Cause I was super bummed when I popped up like a month and a half ago.
• 37:01
  I'm like, what?
• 37:02
  How did I miss this?
• 37:03
  But no, that's, it's exciting.
• 37:06
  Sweet.
• 37:07
  Well, Troy, I appreciate you joining me on this and uh yeah, I'm going to.
• 37:12
  I'm going to save everybody the usual privy plugs, but I am going to end the show every time as a reminder, keep pooping in the free world.
• 37:19
  This free world was not always free.
• 37:22
  Be thankful for what you have.
• 37:23
  now, and I'm, I'm going to, I'm not going to flush it.
• 37:26
  Normally I flush my toilet at the end of all of this, but I'm conflicted and a little bit convicted that, yeah, like you said, we're flushing clean water.
• 37:34
  I might have to come up with a new system.
• 37:38
  Yeah, maybe I'll store one down.
• 37:40
  below deck and that way it's not a full waste.
• 37:42
  No, I won't do that.
• 37:43
  That would be weird.
• 37:44
  Oh shoot.
• 37:46
  It's been a while since I've dabbled.
• 37:49
  Well, sweet.
• 37:49
  Troy, thank you so much for being here.
• 37:51
  I'm going to hit end record and yeah, we can.
• 37:54
  Awesome, thanks.