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Ep. 283 - What Does the Bible Say About Not Judging Others? · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and you know that verse that I quoted from Romans preceding, that is verses one through four.
• 1:09
  Emeal Zwane: In Romans it says receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things, for one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
• 1:17
  Emeal Zwane: Let not him who eats, despise him who does not eat.
• 1:19
  Emeal Zwane: Let not him who does not eat, judge him who eats, for God has received him.
• 1:24
  Emeal Zwane: Who are you to judge another servant To his own master?
• 1:26
  Emeal Zwane: He stands and falls.
• 1:27
  Emeal Zwane: Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
• 1:31
  Oscar Navarro: I love that.
• 1:32
  Emeal Zwane: So good, you guys, you're talking about heavy things going on, right.
• 1:35
  Emeal Zwane: I mean, the dietary law was huge in that time and the whole world was split over it, even the pagans, and so it's like he's taking something that is of massive consequence and he's saying let him stand before his judge, who's God?
• 1:50
  Emeal Zwane: Don't go making a big issue out of this.
• 1:53
  Emeal Zwane: Live your life for the Lord and love the believers and if they're straying into sin, that's objective and clear from the word.
• 2:03
  Emeal Zwane: Point it out.
• 2:03
  Emeal Zwane: No, friends, they are not Hallmark greeting cards.
• 2:10
  Emeal Zwane: They are not playing cards.
• 2:13
  Emeal Zwane: They are not my beautiful and destructible, waterproof and fireproof business cards.
• 2:17
  Emeal Zwane: No, friends, they are dad jokes cards.
• 2:23
  Emeal Zwane: Dad jokes cards, guys, given to us by Brother Jeremy Huh.
• 2:28
  Ray Comfort: What.
• 2:28
  Emeal Zwane: Guys, this lady's to us by Brother Jeremy Huh.
• 2:30
  Ray Comfort: What Guys this lady's listening Y'all.
• 2:32
  Emeal Zwane: Y'all, y'all Guys, given to us by Brother Jeremy from the recent Ambassadors Academy.
• 2:40
  Emeal Zwane: He also gave us some coffee, which Oscar will not get, and he gave us worms.
• 2:47
  Mark Spence: Some mealworms.
• 2:47
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I didn't know they were for Ray and I took them.
• 2:49
  Mark Spence: They're dead.
• 2:50
  Mark Spence: What do they taste like?
• 2:51
  Mark Spence: No, they're for chickens.
• 2:52
  Mark Spence: Did you eat them, mark?
• 2:53
  Mark Spence: No, I gave them to my birds.
• 2:54
  Mark Spence: Yeah, they loved them, you have birds yeah.
• 2:57
  Emeal Zwane: Do you have regulars now, mark that visit you?
• 2:59
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, I do.
• 2:59
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, I absolutely into birds.
• 3:04
  Emeal Zwane: Ray, yeah, and Jeremy also gave us a nice discipleship book.
• 3:07
  Emeal Zwane: Thank you, jeremy, we were blessed to have you at the Academy.
• 3:10
  Emeal Zwane: But guys, these are cool.
• 3:11
  Emeal Zwane: Do one Feel one Oscar, feel it Nice Slick.
• 3:15
  Emeal Zwane: Hey, don't you dare Grab it and read it.
• 3:18
  Emeal Zwane: All right, here we go.
• 3:19
  Emeal Zwane: I picked ones I thought may fit Ray.
• 3:23
  Emeal Zwane: Why did my dating service for chickens go out of business?
• 3:25
  Emeal Zwane: Because I was struggling to make hens meat.
• 3:31
  Ray Comfort: That's so stupid.
• 3:34
  Emeal Zwane: My landlord wanted to talk to me about my extremely high heating bills.
• 3:38
  Emeal Zwane: I said, sure, my door is always open.
• 3:41
  Oscar Navarro: I like that that's a good one.
• 3:44
  Emeal Zwane: Oh man, I was wondering why the golf ball kept getting bigger and bigger.
• 3:48
  Ray Comfort: Then it hit me.
• 3:49
  Ray Comfort: There's another one coming.
• 3:54
  Emeal Zwane: Why should you never brush your teeth with your left hand?
• 3:56
  Emeal Zwane: Because a toothbrush works better.
• 3:59
  Emeal Zwane: That's a Ray joke right there, for sure.
• 4:05
  Ray Comfort: You've got to not crack up when you're given the answer, because you can hardly hear it.
• 4:08
  Ray Comfort: Okay, here we go Okay.
• 4:10
  Emeal Zwane: Why did the woman get fired from the?
• 4:14
  Oscar Navarro: Have you guys ever seen the dad joke challenge From the calendar?
• 4:18
  Emeal Zwane: Yes, they could.
• 4:18
  Emeal Zwane: We've done it on here.
• 4:19
  Emeal Zwane: Why did the woman get fired from the calendar factory?
• 4:22
  Emeal Zwane: She took a day off.
• 4:25
  Emeal Zwane: All right, that's funny, oh, jeremy.
• 4:35
  Emeal Zwane: Thank you, brother, I ordered a chicken.
• 4:37
  Emeal Zwane: Wait, I ordered a chicken and an egg online.
• 4:41
  Emeal Zwane: I'll let you know which came first.
• 4:45
  Emeal Zwane: That one I like.
• 4:50
  Emeal Zwane: That's funny.
• 4:53
  Emeal Zwane: See, I picked the cream of the crop.
• 4:54
  Emeal Zwane: There's a lot more than these, but these are the good ones Side note you mentioned earlier in passing.
• 4:59
  Oscar Navarro: I don't think people realize Easy's business cards.
• 5:02
  Oscar Navarro: You are so proud of your business cards and because they cost like $80 a business card you very rarely they're not that cheap Like for you.
• 5:11
  Oscar Navarro: To get a business card from Easy is an esteemed privilege.
• 5:16
  Emeal Zwane: But, Ray, you know, hardly anyone gets one of those.
• 5:18
  Ray Comfort: That doesn't go whoa Well, I was deep in thought about a dad joke track.
• 5:23
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I thought.
• 5:25
  Emeal Zwane: I'm like what is Ray doing?
• 5:26
  Emeal Zwane: He's totally zoning out, Can we?
• 5:28
  Ray Comfort: do it.
• 5:28
  Ray Comfort: We've got 101 of the world's funniest one-liners.
• 5:29
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, of course we need to do one yeah.
• 5:32
  Ray Comfort: I was just trying to find a format.
• 5:34
  Emeal Zwane: You heard it here, folks, Before it even exists.
• 5:37
  Emeal Zwane: You heard about it.
• 5:38
  Oscar Navarro: It'll be done by the time the episode is over.
• 5:39
  Oscar Navarro: Inspired by brother Jeremy.
• 5:41
  Emeal Zwane: All right, mark Spence got from someone who attended the academy.
• 5:46
  Emeal Zwane: I have no idea what it is.
• 5:47
  Oscar Navarro: I don't either, is it ticking?
• 5:49
  Emeal Zwane: And to open it on the podcast.
• 5:50
  Emeal Zwane: I don't remember who it's from.
• 5:51
  Oscar Navarro: I think their name is in there.
• 5:52
  Oscar Navarro: Which is like a makeup place.
• 5:56
  Emeal Zwane: I hope there's a card and a name in there Ananas and Sapphira.
• 5:59
  Ray Comfort: That might be a letter Ray.
• 6:01
  Mark Spence: what's that say they're?
• 6:03
  Oscar Navarro: socks.
• 6:05
  Mark Spence: Oh, that's really nice.
• 6:05
  Mark Spence: Socks, oh, that's, really nice.
• 6:06
  Oscar Navarro: From Canada.
• 6:09
  Mark Spence: Oh Canada.
• 6:10
  Emeal Zwane: Canadian socks.
• 6:12
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, how boot that A.
• 6:14
  Emeal Zwane: I love socks.
• 6:14
  Emeal Zwane: How boot that A.
• 6:16
  Emeal Zwane: We know you love socks, Mark Wait can we read the letter?
• 6:18
  Ray Comfort: It's a weird addiction.
• 6:19
  Ray Comfort: It says I put the money in the account.
• 6:22
  Ray Comfort: This is the number.
• 6:23
  Ray Comfort: Who's it from?
• 6:23
  Ray Comfort: Does it say the?
• 6:23
  Emeal Zwane: name on there.
• 6:24
  Emeal Zwane: He swallowed it.
• 6:24
  Emeal Zwane: Who's it from?
• 6:25
  Emeal Zwane: Does it say the name on there?
• 6:28
  Mark Spence: Swallowed it.
• 6:29
  Emeal Zwane: Who's it from?
• 6:30
  Ray Comfort: Let me see, They've written the letter upside down.
• 6:33
  Ray Comfort: Oh sorry, Mark.
• 6:35
  Mark Spence: Thank you for all your ministry that you have done.
• 6:38
  Mark Spence: You've inspired many in my community, including my family.
• 6:42
  Mark Spence: Cornelius, cornelius, cornelius.
• 6:48
  Emeal Zwane: Oh yeah, Cornelius Schmidt.
• 6:48
  Emeal Zwane: Oh yes, that's right, Brother Cornelius, Cornelius Cornelius.
• 6:50
  Emeal Zwane: Oh yeah, Cornelius Schmidt, that's right.
• 6:50
  Mark Spence: Brother Cornelius, that's right, cornelius Schmidt from Alberta, canada.
• 6:52
  Mark Spence: Ps Mark, I hope you like the new socks.
• 6:55
  Mark Spence: You are my favorite on the podcast.
• 6:57
  Mark Spence: You're so handsome.
• 6:58
  Emeal Zwane: Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.
• 7:00
  Mark Spence: Everyone is lying, cornelius.
• 7:02
  Emeal Zwane: I remember you.
• 7:04
  Emeal Zwane: We were blessed to see what they got and what an academy.
• 7:05
  Mark Spence: I was trying to read it Seriously.
• 7:07
  Emeal Zwane: It was wonderful.
• 7:08
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it was very special, and I was blessed at the end of it just to hear heartfelt rejoicing from people.
• 7:16
  Ray Comfort: So we reduced it from 100 to 60.
• 7:18
  Ray Comfort: Was that a good move?
• 7:20
  Emeal Zwane: It sure seemed to be yeah.
• 7:24
  Oscar Navarro: It was a lot more manageable, more intimate.
• 7:25
  Emeal Zwane: It just seemed smaller than the last one, yeah, so more interesting, smaller than the last one, yeah.
• 7:30
  Emeal Zwane: So anyway, keep a lookout for the Academy friends.
• 7:31
  Mark Spence: there's another man today is gift day.
• 7:32
  Mark Spence: It's give away.
• 7:33
  Mark Spence: We like receiving gifts, but this is a unusually unusual gift this is for.
• 7:38
  Mark Spence: Ray, it's a chicken chick-fil-a, right, you got to start at the top.
• 7:45
  Mark Spence: Okay, thanks for with this one right here.
• 7:49
  Mark Spence: Oh, start with that.
• 7:51
  Emeal Zwane: Well, you're going to say who it's from Mark he's got to read it.
• 7:54
  Mark Spence: Oh okay, okay.
• 7:58
  Ray Comfort: It's too long to read.
• 7:59
  Ray Comfort: No, you've got to read it.
• 8:00
  Ray Comfort: I'm really thankful for what you do.
• 8:01
  Ray Comfort: Easy and Mark are useless compared to you.
• 8:05
  Ray Comfort: You read it, matt.
• 8:06
  Ray Comfort: There's too much to read?
• 8:07
  Ray Comfort: All right, let me read it.
• 8:08
  Mark Spence: All right, so this is from Thomas Purtill.
• 8:10
  Mark Spence: Yay and don't go any further.
• 8:13
  Emeal Zwane: Take a foot, late man.
• 8:16
  Mark Spence: Ray, I'm so thankful for what you, easy, mark and Oscar, do weekly to welcome all of us listeners to pull up a seat at your table to talk about all the subjects of life through the lens of the Word of God.
• 8:27
  Mark Spence: By such you brothers, as Ephesians 4.11 says, gifts to the church at large are equipping us, as saints in Christ, for the work of the ministry, and we love you all for it.
• 8:38
  Mark Spence: However, there's one thing that must be remedied, as it pains me each time I hear you reference your gift cards to those who engage in street evangelism, whether in McDonald's or In-N-Out Starbucks, right.
• 8:55
  Mark Spence: Therefore, to the banana man from the chicken man, may these be new gifts to be used to the glory of God, yours, because we're his Thomas.
• 9:07
  Mark Spence: What is it?
• 9:08
  Mark Spence: I know what it is.
• 9:08
  Mark Spence: Oh, what is it?
• 9:09
  Mark Spence: I know what it is.
• 9:10
  Emeal Zwane: What is it Footballs?
• 9:13
  Emeal Zwane: My water Ray.
• 9:15
  Oscar Navarro: Comfort.
• 9:15
  Oscar Navarro: It literally landed in your water.
• 9:18
  Emeal Zwane: Oh man, what is it?
• 9:20
  Emeal Zwane: Mark, keep going, he's gotta keep going.
• 9:25
  Ray Comfort: These are Chocolate.
• 9:26
  Mark Spence: These are footballs, chocolate.
• 9:28
  Ray Comfort: These are footballs.
• 9:28
  Ray Comfort: Oh, these are footballs.
• 9:29
  Ray Comfort: Oh, what is this?
• 9:32
  Oscar Navarro: Open that up, ray.
• 9:33
  Oscar Navarro: I know what that is.
• 9:33
  Oscar Navarro: I'm guessing, hey, what?
• 9:40
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, that is a lot what You're kidding.
• 9:44
  Oscar Navarro: What, what?
• 9:45
  Oscar Navarro: Three boxes?
• 9:46
  Oscar Navarro: What Ray is?
• 9:46
  Mark Spence: opening.
• 9:47
  Mark Spence: Right now are three boxes filled to the rim with.
• 9:53
  Mark Spence: Chick-fil-a gift cards.
• 9:54
  Mark Spence: Whoa, I want those.
• 9:56
  Mark Spence: It is, yes, it is an endless amount of gift cards to Chick-fil-A, so that Ray can hand these out to people who he shares the gospel with yeah, wow, who he shares the gospel with?
• 10:07
  Mark Spence: Yeah, now, bear in mind In-N-Out and Starbucks and McDonald's, or anybody else has never reached out to us, but now Chick-fil-A has.
• 10:16
  Ray Comfort: Well, that is wonderful, that's right.
• 10:19
  Ray Comfort: How much are these cards?
• 10:20
  Oscar Navarro: $8 each $7.99.
• 10:22
  Oscar Navarro: Are they really?
• 10:24
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, this is almost $6,000.
• 10:26
  Oscar Navarro: Worth of gift cards.
• 10:27
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, wow.
• 10:29
  Emeal Zwane: Brought to you by Chick-fil-A Wow.
• 10:31
  Ray Comfort: Thomas, thank you so much.
• 10:32
  Ray Comfort: That is so kind.
• 10:33
  Emeal Zwane: I can't wait to give these out.
• 10:35
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, bro, isn't that amazing?
• 10:36
  Oscar Navarro: That is.
• 10:37
  Oscar Navarro: So what's for lunch, guys?
• 10:38
  Oscar Navarro: Unbelievable.
• 10:40
  Ray Comfort: I didn't expect that.
• 10:41
  Emeal Zwane: That's crazy.
• 10:43
  Ray Comfort: Thank you.
• 10:43
  Emeal Zwane: Thomas, so much.
• 10:49
  Ray Comfort: Oh, I was trying to hit ray with that football.
• 10:50
  Ray Comfort: Oh well, yeah, boy, we seriously threw a football in a studio.
• 10:52
  Ray Comfort: Yeah consequences.
• 10:52
  Emeal Zwane: I threw it in the right place, ray, not at my water thomas uh, really, there are no words, brother.
• 10:58
  Emeal Zwane: Honestly, this is speechless, this is above and beyond.
• 11:02
  Emeal Zwane: Uh, we are speechless and uh down with in and out we hate in and out In-N-Out In.
• 11:08
  Ray Comfort: Wintersmith's Hall.
• 11:08
  Ray Comfort: I just got another thousand In-N-Out cards.
• 11:11
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, someone's going to be happy.
• 11:13
  Emeal Zwane: Well, thank you, Thomas.
• 11:14
  Emeal Zwane: Really we are grateful brother, wow, so grateful for your generous heart, for your love for the Lord and a man who runs his business in a way that glorifies God.
• 11:22
  Emeal Zwane: Amen, it's phenomenal.
• 11:24
  Mark Spence: Eat more chicken.
• 11:25
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, comer mas pollo Pollo, is that right?
• 11:29
  Emeal Zwane: Did I say it right Pretty close Comer mas pollo.
• 11:31
  Ray Comfort: I thought these were massive magnets.
• 11:33
  Ray Comfort: When you hand it, oh really, well, they feel so heavy.
• 11:37
  Emeal Zwane: Ray, $6,000 worth of Chick-fil-A cards.
• 11:39
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, that's insane, praise God.
• 11:41
  Emeal Zwane: All right, friends, it's time for a cool, classy comment.
• 11:46
  Emeal Zwane: This is from TS Augustine Augustine, from India.
• 11:50
  Emeal Zwane: Hey, ray Ray, there's a doctor that you see.
• 11:55
  Emeal Zwane: What's his name?
• 11:56
  Emeal Zwane: Jim August.
• 11:57
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, thank you.
• 11:59
  Emeal Zwane: Hey, I haven't finished August In.
• 12:00
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, augustine, thank you, thank you.
• 12:03
  Emeal Zwane: All right, hello, easy, ray, mark and Oscar.
• 12:05
  Emeal Zwane: A couple of things to tell you, guys.
• 12:14
  Emeal Zwane: When oscar came back after a few weeks to the podcast and I heard him laugh in your introduction, my heart leapt with joy.
• 12:17
  Emeal Zwane: When easy read about king josiah grinding the objects to ashes, I heard ray's noiseless laughter and my heart swelled.
• 12:20
  Emeal Zwane: I'm a sucker for easy's fake arabic accent to the extent that I have sometimes even rewound to hear again.
• 12:26
  Oscar Navarro: Thank you so much.
• 12:27
  Emeal Zwane: I'm happy you do this or easies.
• 12:31
  Emeal Zwane: And lastly, I respect Mark's matter-of-fact humor, wherein I sense him to be alongside Paul, who considered all things rubbish.
• 12:40
  Emeal Zwane: But for Christ, with these, I realize listening to you guys through commuting three days a week is definitely going to have its effect.
• 12:46
  Emeal Zwane: The four of you have this complete and sincere respect for each other, and that is making your camaraderie what it is.
• 12:52
  Emeal Zwane: I believe there must be vulnerability and accountability to each other to reach this level of friendship.
• 12:58
  Emeal Zwane: I'm humbled and sincerely grateful to God that he wrought this friendship between you guys, caused you to start a podcast and, of all the odds, that God has placed me in this timeline with access to your podcast.
• 13:09
  Emeal Zwane: Thank you for what you guys are doing.
• 13:11
  Emeal Zwane: I will keep you in my prayers.
• 13:13
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, that's a really good one, isn't that really?
• 13:14
  Oscar Navarro: Good.
• 13:15
  Oscar Navarro: I'm really impressed by how many people think we're friends.
• 13:20
  Emeal Zwane: We have succeeded and to deceive them.
• 13:22
  Emeal Zwane: I like it very much.
• 13:24
  Emeal Zwane: Well, thank you, sister.
• 13:26
  Emeal Zwane: That blesses us very, very much.
• 13:29
  Emeal Zwane: All right, friends, Now a radically revolutionary resource.
• 13:37
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• 13:44
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• 13:46
  Emeal Zwane: I just gave it to someone, actually.
• 13:48
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's got perceived value.
• 13:49
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• 13:51
  Oscar Navarro: My son loves giving these away.
• 13:52
  Ray Comfort: He does the gold one?
• 13:54
  Emeal Zwane: Is it fake gold, Ray?
• 13:55
  Ray Comfort: No, it's real gold in color yeah.
• 14:00
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it's cool because it's got the Ten Commandments on one side, and on the other side you have a full gospel message, Franz.
• 14:09
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• 14:09
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• 14:11
  Emeal Zwane: Yes, it's got a little plastic.
• 14:12
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• 14:19
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• 14:22
  Emeal Zwane: All right friends.
• 14:22
  Emeal Zwane: Today we are talking about All right friends.
• 14:26
  Emeal Zwane: Today we are talking about what does the Bible say about not judging others.
• 14:34
  Emeal Zwane: I'd have to say this is probably one of the most often repeated refrains Don't judge, don't judge, lest you be judged.
• 14:47
  Emeal Zwane: Have you heard that before?
• 14:49
  Emeal Zwane: Ray Ray, what are you doing?
• 14:51
  Mark Spence: He's taking pictures.
• 14:51
  Emeal Zwane: He can't get over the gift cards.
• 14:52
  Ray Comfort: I've just sent a text to Thomas thanking him and taking pictures of you guys.
• 14:57
  Emeal Zwane: You're doing like real time.
• 14:58
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, real time, because it's yeah.
• 15:01
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, judge not least be judged.
• 15:02
  Ray Comfort: Judge, not least be judged is probably the most common Bible verse that non-Christians memorize.
• 15:09
  Ray Comfort: But when they say that, when they say you shouldn't judge, that is a moral judgment in itself.
• 15:15
  Ray Comfort: When they say you shouldn't judge, they're making a moral judgment.
• 15:19
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, that reminds me of you, Mark.
• 15:20
  Emeal Zwane: Didn't we do a video once where you talked about that stuff?
• 15:23
  Mark Spence: I don't know what you guys are talking about.
• 15:24
  Mark Spence: Are you judging?
• 15:24
  Mark Spence: I'm sending a text to Thomas.
• 15:28
  Emeal Zwane: So is Oscar.
• 15:28
  Emeal Zwane: Wait, you guys didn't know.
• 15:29
  Emeal Zwane: I had Thomas on the phone this whole time.
• 15:31
  Emeal Zwane: He beats you to it.
• 15:33
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, so this is often quoted.
• 15:37
  Emeal Zwane: I might as well ask Oscar, because these two aren't paying attention.
• 15:39
  Emeal Zwane: We're losers.
• 15:40
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, yeah, oscar, this is a biggie.
• 15:47
  Emeal Zwane: And it comes obviously from Matthew 7, 1 through 5, where Jesus says judge not that you be not judged, for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged and with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.
• 15:58
  Emeal Zwane: And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye?
• 16:00
  Emeal Zwane: Do not consider the plank in your own eye.
• 16:02
  Emeal Zwane: Or how can you say to your brother let me remove the speck from your eye and look.
• 16:05
  Emeal Zwane: A plank is in your own eye.
• 16:07
  Emeal Zwane: Hypocrite.
• 16:08
  Emeal Zwane: First remove the plank from your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
• 16:12
  Emeal Zwane: That's the context there.
• 16:13
  Emeal Zwane: What say ye, oscar?
• 16:17
  Oscar Navarro: As I look at Mark, matthew 7 is a really good place to start, because, before getting into this statement, jesus actually gives us criteria for judgment, which tells us there's something else going on here that we shouldn't just not judge.
• 16:32
  Oscar Navarro: It's not what he's saying, and I think that the key is the word measure.
• 16:36
  Oscar Navarro: That really helps us understand what Jesus is trying to say.
• 16:39
  Oscar Navarro: And, as a matter of fact, in Mark 4, we see something similar.
• 16:42
  Oscar Navarro: Here's what Mark 4 says Pay attention to what you hear.
• 16:46
  Oscar Navarro: With the measure you use, it will be measured to you and still more will be added to you, for to the one who has more will be given, and from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
• 17:01
  Oscar Navarro: So what's going on here?
• 17:03
  Oscar Navarro: You have to remember that at that time, the way that they measured the transfer of grains, when you're trading in the marketplace, is they would use measuring scales.
• 17:12
  Oscar Navarro: The same kind of measuring scales when we think about justice, right, the scale that goes back and forth.
• 17:17
  Oscar Navarro: But the way that it worked was your scale.
• 17:20
  Oscar Navarro: You know your blacksmith would design your scale so that on one side it was 10 grams, let's say, and you would put measurements of the other person's grain on the one side it was 10 grams, let's say and you would put measurements of the other person's grain on the other side, right?
• 17:32
  Oscar Navarro: Well, what some people would do, especially tax collectors and Romans, is that they would shave off portions of the scale or add to it so that it would be mis-measured, so that when I measured your 10 grams, it was actually 9.9.
• 17:49
  Oscar Navarro: And for every 10 transactions I'm getting a free gram.
• 17:53
  Oscar Navarro: And the Jewish people knew that tax collectors and Romans were doing this, except they could do nothing about it because they were being oppressed.
• 18:03
  Oscar Navarro: They had no power or authority to do something about it, so they were being mistreated.
• 18:08
  Oscar Navarro: And this is the context that Jesus uses that word measure.
• 18:12
  Oscar Navarro: He is saying don't have an unbalanced scale when you judge others.
• 18:18
  Oscar Navarro: The tax collector does this, the Romans do this, and you do this with God's law.
• 18:25
  Oscar Navarro: You do this.
• 18:26
  Oscar Navarro: You mismeasure other people and don't use the same weighted scale on your own moral lives.
• 18:33
  Oscar Navarro: That's what God is talking about.
• 18:34
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, so in other words, an essence of hypocrisy Exactly being intermingled to making pronouncements on other people and not holding yourself to the same source of accountability.
• 18:44
  Ray Comfort: Boy.
• 18:44
  Ray Comfort: I saw that epitomized just recently.
• 18:46
  Ray Comfort: Jimmy Kimmel showed his audience the whole Ten Commandments.
• 18:51
  Ray Comfort: They went through every one of the Ten Commandments but at the same time they put a certain famous politician's face up there for each commandment and it was really funny because this person had committed adultery.
• 19:04
  Ray Comfort: When they had the adultery, one Went right through the whole ten and the audience was in fits.
• 19:09
  Ray Comfort: And they don't realize that that same law they're judging with is going to judge them on Judgment Day.
• 19:13
  Ray Comfort: Wow, for as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law, and you shall be judged by the perfect law of liberty.
• 19:19
  Ray Comfort: James says, james 2.12.
• 19:20
  Ray Comfort: Romans 2,.
• 19:22
  Ray Comfort: Therefore, you are inexcusable on man, whoever you are who judge, and whatever you judge, another you condemn.
• 19:27
  Ray Comfort: Wow.
• 19:27
  Ray Comfort: And then it says we know the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
• 19:36
  Ray Comfort: Do you think this, o man, you who judge those practicing such things and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
• 19:44
  Ray Comfort: That's exactly what Oscar was saying Whatever judgment you judge with, you're going to be judged by God on Jud day.
• 19:50
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and I want us to do a couple of things.
• 19:52
  Emeal Zwane: I want us to look at, yeah, what the Bible actually talks about when it says not to judge, and then I want us to examine, in light of, yeah, that right standard, how do we avoid judging other believers?
• 20:04
  Emeal Zwane: But I think MacArthur put it well.
• 20:06
  Emeal Zwane: He said it should be noted that this passage has erroneously been used to suggest that believers should never evaluate or criticize anyone for anything.
• 20:14
  Emeal Zwane: He said the entire thrust of the Sermon on the Mount is to show the complete distinction between true religion and false religion, between spiritual truth and spiritual hypocrisy.
• 20:22
  Emeal Zwane: Jesus places God's perfect and holy standards beside the unholy and self-righteous standards of the scribes and Pharisees and declares that those who follow those unholy and self-righteous standards have no part in God's kingdom.
• 20:34
  Emeal Zwane: No more controversial or judgmental sermon has ever been preached.
• 20:37
  Emeal Zwane: So I mean his point there is like look, you know, it's impossible to be able to walk in discernment excuse me without making judgments, and those judgments are based on external things.
• 20:52
  Emeal Zwane: He says if this greatest sermon of our Lord teaches anything, it teaches that his followers are to be discerning and perceptive in what they believe and in what they do, that they must make every effort to judge between truth and falsehood, between the internal and the external, between reality and sham, between true righteousness and false righteousness, in short, between God's way and all other ways.
• 21:13
  Emeal Zwane: And then he breaks down the definition.
• 21:15
  Emeal Zwane: He says Krino, to judge means basically to separate, choose, select or determine, and has a dozen or more shades of meaning.
• 21:22
  Emeal Zwane: That must be decided from the context.
• 21:24
  Emeal Zwane: In our present passage, jesus is referring to the judgment of motives which no mere human being, the judgment of motives which no mere human being can know of another, and to judgment of external forms.
• 21:34
  Emeal Zwane: Paul says, therefore, let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this, not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
• 21:42
  Emeal Zwane: So, mark, what MacArthur here is pointing out is that when we talk about judging, we're talking about the internal, about someone's heart, someone's motives that we can't see or discern.
• 21:55
  Mark Spence: That's exactly right.
• 21:55
  Mark Spence: We don't know what is going on inside someone's heart mind when something happens, right?
• 22:00
  Mark Spence: So Thomas just gave Ray thousands of dollars worth of Chick-fil-A gift cards?
• 22:04
  Mark Spence: Yeah, did he do it to get his name heard?
• 22:06
  Mark Spence: Nah, we doubt that.
• 22:07
  Mark Spence: We know him too well with that.
• 22:09
  Mark Spence: But, truth be told, maybe there's something there.
• 22:12
  Mark Spence: We don't think so.
• 22:13
  Mark Spence: That's what it means, right?
• 22:14
  Mark Spence: We don't know the motive behind it.
• 22:16
  Mark Spence: It's certainly not saying that we can never judge, because judgment begins with the house of the Lord.
• 22:22
  Mark Spence: When you judge, use righteous judgment.
• 22:24
  Mark Spence: Beware the scribes and the Pharisees.
• 22:27
  Mark Spence: You have to make a judgment call, you have to be able to draw a line in the sand, and the only one who can truly do this is somebody who sets up a moral code, because when you set up a moral code, for example, you shall not murder.
• 22:39
  Mark Spence: When somebody murders, you say, hey, that was wrong.
• 22:41
  Mark Spence: Or you rape someone.
• 22:42
  Mark Spence: That was wrong to rape someone.
• 22:43
  Mark Spence: You made that moral judgment, you drew that line in the sand, and when somebody steps over that line, you're calling it out.
• 22:49
  Mark Spence: I hope you call it out.
• 22:51
  Mark Spence: But what happens today?
• 22:52
  Mark Spence: Right, we use this, we see this when we're out witnessing as one of the top objections against Christianity Judge not lest you be judged.
• 22:59
  Mark Spence: And it says with such an accusatory finger.
• 23:01
  Mark Spence: This accusation comes up against us, like people are allowed to do and say and behave any way that they want.
• 23:07
  Mark Spence: No, that's not what this text is saying.
• 23:10
  Mark Spence: So we use righteous judgment.
• 23:12
  Mark Spence: When we judge, we guard ourselves, we check ourselves, search us and try us and see if there be any wicked way in us lead us in the way everlasting.
• 23:20
  Mark Spence: When we judge, we want to use a right standing which is only found in God's word.
• 23:26
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, Amen, Ray, John 7, 24,.
• 23:29
  Emeal Zwane: Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.
• 23:34
  Ray Comfort: I mean yeah absolutely, mark is absolutely right.
• 23:37
  Ray Comfort: We can say it's wrong to rape, to lie, to steal, to kill.
• 23:46
  Ray Comfort: This is why I've made a habit for many years of saying to people after they've said I've said, um, taking them through the commandments, I'm not judging you, but you've just told me.
• 23:53
  Ray Comfort: So there's a double whammy there that releases me from the accusatory finger, coming back and saying you're judging me, you've told me and I'm not judging you because of that.
• 24:02
  Ray Comfort: Um, what we want to do is just say you're in big trouble with God.
• 24:06
  Ray Comfort: We don't put people down just for the sake of it.
• 24:09
  Ray Comfort: You know, I often say to people it's been uncomfortable for you to go through these commandments, but it's been just as uncomfortable for me.
• 24:15
  Ray Comfort: I want to get out of this law business into grace because it's uncomfortable.
• 24:19
  Ray Comfort: But it must be done, like a doctor's got to point out disease in a patient if he cares about them.
• 24:25
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, that's good, yeah, so again to clarify when the Bible talks about not judging, it's not talking about not making clear calls on things that are externally obvious, right?
• 24:38
  Emeal Zwane: Like you said, ray, if someone plunges a knife into someone, that person loses their pulse and their life.
• 24:44
  Emeal Zwane: We can look and say you just committed murder.
• 24:46
  Emeal Zwane: Someone is living in sexual immorality outside of marriage.
• 24:50
  Emeal Zwane: We can say you are a fornicator and you need to repent and abortion too.
• 24:53
  Emeal Zwane: You kill your baby in the womb.
• 24:55
  Emeal Zwane: You have committed murder, exactly.
• 24:56
  Emeal Zwane: But it seems like you know, and again we've talked about it, whenever someone is coming against a believer and saying you're judging, you're judgmental, they're usually really harsh and mean and where the Christian is typically just lovingly pointing things out.
• 25:09
  Emeal Zwane: But they come back and there's that blindness to the fact that they have a judgmental attitude.
• 25:15
  Mark Spence: Yeah, and somebody comes along and says you shall not judge.
• 25:17
  Mark Spence: You know our typical quick, maybe, uh, mark Starkey snarky, snarky responses Um, are you judging my judgment?
• 25:26
  Mark Spence: Right, if it's wrong to judge, well then don't judge my judgment.
• 25:30
  Mark Spence: I said, well, no, your Bible says you shall not judge.
• 25:33
  Mark Spence: No, it doesn't say that.
• 25:34
  Mark Spence: Right, paul Washer comes along and he says well, it also says twist not scripture.
• 25:38
  Mark Spence: You know, so, twist not scripture lest you be like Satan.
• 25:41
  Mark Spence: Right, because that's not what the text is saying.
• 25:43
  Mark Spence: So you shall not judge.
• 25:45
  Mark Spence: Well then, stop judging my judgment.
• 25:47
  Mark Spence: That's your point of view.
• 25:48
  Mark Spence: Your worldview says you shall not judge.
• 25:49
  Mark Spence: Well, then, you're judging me.
• 25:50
  Mark Spence: Stop judging me, Mr Skeptic.
• 25:51
  Mark Spence: Oh right.
• 25:57
  Oscar Navarro: I love the way that Jesus positions this in Matthew 7, because you mentioned like the Christian often is coming to them with a loving heart.
• 26:01
  Oscar Navarro: If they're doing it correctly, if they understand this passage correctly, that's exactly right.
• 26:06
  Oscar Navarro: When we encourage people to reflect on their own lives and the ways that they've live, stolen, ultimately sinned against God, we're not doing it from a moral high ground.
• 26:17
  Oscar Navarro: We're doing it based on the same measuring scales, knowing that I too have been measured according to the law of God and I too have fallen short, and I too, in my own power, deserve condemnation.
• 26:32
  Oscar Navarro: But I've received grace, and now I'm inviting you to see your same need for grace.
• 26:40
  Oscar Navarro: That is what God is trying to get at the disposition of our hearts.
• 26:43
  Oscar Navarro: Is not this moral high ground?
• 26:45
  Oscar Navarro: I am morally superior than you and now you need to bow to that.
• 26:49
  Oscar Navarro: Rather, I am in need of grace.
• 26:52
  Oscar Navarro: I have been judged and found short, and look, here's the answer, here's the key to salvation that has been given to me, and I'm offering that to you as well.
• 27:02
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, you know, when I was open air preaching the other day, a girl, as I'm taking her through the commandments, tried to stop me kind of midstream and say, but haven't you done all those things?
• 27:14
  Emeal Zwane: And, Ray, you get that all the time and I love the answer you often give Ray.
• 27:17
  Emeal Zwane: I think you say I've broken every commandment In spirit, not if in letter.
• 27:21
  Ray Comfort: If not in letter.
• 27:22
  Emeal Zwane: Right.
• 27:23
  Emeal Zwane: Describe that Ray in spirit.
• 27:25
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and Jesus said of him Isaiah said the Messiah would magnify the law and make it honorable.
• 27:31
  Ray Comfort: So Jesus didn't take away from the law, he just brought out the spiritual nature of the law that God requires truth in the inward parts and that means that he considers lust to be adultery man.
• 27:43
  Ray Comfort: That was my big revelation on the night of my conversion.
• 27:45
  Ray Comfort: It was a horror that grabbed me.
• 27:47
  Ray Comfort: God saw my thought life and I thought well, he made my brain.
• 27:51
  Ray Comfort: It was a huge revelation and that's what brought me to the point of repentance, realizing that God required truth on the inward parts and he's a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
• 28:03
  Ray Comfort: As it says in Hebrews 4.12, I think it is the word of God is quick and powerful, sharp and two-edged sword.
• 28:07
  Ray Comfort: And then it says and it's a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
• 28:14
  Ray Comfort: We have no idea what motive someone's doing something for, but God knows us through and through.
• 28:20
  Ray Comfort: There's not a word in our tongue that he doesn't know altogether.
• 28:23
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, I think a good thing to be able to say to an unbeliever when we're witnessing to them is hey look, I'm trying to get you to judge yourself before you have to be judged by God.
• 28:33
  Emeal Zwane: That's good, you know?
• 28:34
  Emeal Zwane: I just thought of that.
• 28:36
  Emeal Zwane: It'd be a good thing to say, because that's really what you're doing for them I'm trying to help you judge yourself before God has to judge you, so you can repent I love that and come out from under the judgment that God has given us?
• 28:45
  Ray Comfort: Doesn't every criminal brought to that same point?
• 28:47
  Ray Comfort: He's gonna be tried.
• 28:50
  Ray Comfort: What do you plead?
• 28:51
  Ray Comfort: Innocent or guilty?
• 28:52
  Ray Comfort: You judge yourself Right, that's good so we're doing the same thing with sinners.
• 28:56
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, we also need to do with each other.
• 28:58
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, the scripture tells us to measure, to weigh, to judge good fruit from bad.
• 29:03
  Oscar Navarro: And so when we're sitting across the table from you know, fellow members of our church Christians, you know, when I'm encouraging someone towards repentance, I'm not determining whether they're going to heaven or hell.
• 29:16
  Oscar Navarro: I have no heaven or hell to send them to.
• 29:18
  Oscar Navarro: That's up to the Lord.
• 29:19
  Oscar Navarro: But what I can do is judge fruit, and I've heard it said before, like I know what an apple looks like.
• 29:27
  Oscar Navarro: Right, I know what a good apple looks like.
• 29:30
  Oscar Navarro: If you bring me a worn out, blackened banana and try to tell me that's an apple, I know that's not an apple.
• 29:38
  Oscar Navarro: I know what an apple looks like.
• 29:40
  Oscar Navarro: And so to judge the fruits in the lives of the people around us, we actually need that.
• 29:46
  Oscar Navarro: We are all in desperate need of people who are open and honest, who can judge the fruits in our own lives, because sometimes we can't see when we're producing better.
• 29:58
  Mark Spence: We're not sin sniffers, we're fruit inspectors.
• 29:59
  Mark Spence: Right, they will know that we are his disciples by our love one for another, and that is exemplified as we forgive one another and bear with one another and just be there for each other.
• 30:10
  Mark Spence: Yeah, amen.
• 30:11
  Emeal Zwane: That's really good.
• 30:11
  Ray Comfort: You know we're talking about.
• 30:12
  Ray Comfort: Really, in judging other people, we're talking about hypocrisy which is rooted in pride.
• 30:16
  Ray Comfort: A humble person won't judge another person because I've been there, I've got a multitude of sins, I've been forgiven and this person needs forgiveness too.
• 30:24
  Ray Comfort: So it's very important that we realize that hypocrisy is self-deceptive.
• 30:30
  Emeal Zwane: Like the Pharisee and the publican Thank you God, I'm not like him Well yeah, I mean it's the 1 Corinthians 6 spirit of and such were some of you and Titus 3, for we ourselves were also once, and it goes on to give that list.
• 30:48
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it's that remembrance.
• 30:49
  Emeal Zwane: And look, as far as what you said, oscar, about doing that with one another, specifically as believers, I mean 1 Corinthians 5, 9 to 12, says I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
• 30:59
  Emeal Zwane: Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous or extortioners or adulterers.
• 31:04
  Emeal Zwane: Since then you would have to, you need to go out of the world.
• 31:06
  Emeal Zwane: But now I've written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother who is sexually immoral or covetous or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even to eat with such a one.
• 31:16
  Emeal Zwane: Then he says for what have I to do with judging those who are outside?
• 31:20
  Emeal Zwane: Do you not judge those who are inside?
• 31:23
  Emeal Zwane: And we've mentioned this before on the podcast.
• 31:26
  Emeal Zwane: But Paul's asking this rhetorical question because the answer is yes, yes, you should, and that we as believers can make those external judgments about one another for the sake of love.
• 31:36
  Emeal Zwane: I mean Paul's call here to put this person out is a loving emotion.
• 31:41
  Emeal Zwane: It's saying, look, we care, so we can't allow the body to be leavened.
• 31:44
  Emeal Zwane: And also, as he says later on.
• 31:47
  Emeal Zwane: He says we give such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that their spirit may be saved.
• 31:52
  Oscar Navarro: I can't help but wonder how many people are in the churches right now who are spiritually stunted in their sanctification because they have not enough people in their lives willing to separate the good fruit from the bad in their lives.
• 32:06
  Oscar Navarro: And I can tell you it is good news when a brother lovingly comes to you and I mean, we all have blind spots, we all have areas of our lives in which something creeps up into our heart.
• 32:16
  Oscar Navarro: And to have somebody come into your life and go, hey, man, I'm noticing this disposition in your life, that is a gift, an opportunity for you to go home and pray and reflect and discover some area of your heart that you didn't otherwise know was there.
• 32:32
  Oscar Navarro: And if somebody wasn't put into your life at that moment, who knows how much worse that sin could have gotten.
• 32:37
  Oscar Navarro: It could have given birth to death.
• 32:39
  Oscar Navarro: In other words, having brothers in your life who are willing to separate good fruit from bad are ultimately people who desire to love you and desire for your good.
• 32:49
  Oscar Navarro: I remember years ago, a friend of mine, eric, gave my son an avocado tree.
• 32:55
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, it was I think I've talked about this in the podcast before it was like a stick when we got it, you know, and for like two or three years, just nothing was happening.
• 33:02
  Oscar Navarro: It was basically just a stick with leaves on it.
• 33:04
  Oscar Navarro: And one day he comes over and he looks at it and goes oh, you know, what you need to do is you need to go get some white paint, you need to paint this side of your stick, and I'm like why are you talking about white paint?
• 33:17
  Oscar Navarro: You know, but I do it.
• 33:18
  Oscar Navarro: We go, we buy the paint, we paint like one side of the tree AKA stick and, sure enough, the next season it starts producing fruit.
• 33:26
  Oscar Navarro: An avocado tree.
• 33:27
  Oscar Navarro: What was happening was it was getting too much sun and apparently when you paint a side of it, it reduces the amount of sun it's getting, which is allows it to produce good fruit.
• 33:36
  Oscar Navarro: But here's the point is that there are people in your life that the Lord is giving you that are intended to step in and go hey, here's something you need to do so the Lord can produce good fruit in your life, and if they weren't there to do that, you would be spiritually stunted.
• 33:53
  Oscar Navarro: You would not be able to go on to produce that good fruit that the Lord desires to do in and through you.
• 34:00
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, what a wonderful analogy, isn't that great.
• 34:02
  Ray Comfort: I don't think I've heard that before.
• 34:03
  Ray Comfort: Have you guys heard that?
• 34:04
  Emeal Zwane: No, he's talked about the avocado tree, but not that story.
• 34:06
  Emeal Zwane: That story is great.
• 34:07
  Emeal Zwane: It's really good, yeah, and what you don't want to do is you don't want to be the fool who puts up your walls because you have this perception.
• 34:14
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, you're judging me, and then you shut out what's being said, right?
• 34:17
  Emeal Zwane: I've said it before.
• 34:17
  Emeal Zwane: Despite this messenger or the way they're conveying their message, you need to be listening to the message.
• 34:31
  Ray Comfort: Lord, what are you trying to show me through this?
• 34:33
  Ray Comfort: Hypocrisy is like bad breath and BO.
• 34:33
  Ray Comfort: You don't realize you've got it.
• 34:34
  Ray Comfort: Mark, please not this direction.
• 34:36
  Ray Comfort: You need an outside source to say hey, you stink.
• 34:39
  Ray Comfort: A wife is good at saying it without hurting you.
• 34:42
  Emeal Zwane: Was it Job that said my breath is repulsive to my wife?
• 34:44
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and what did she say at the beginning?
• 34:48
  Emeal Zwane: Kiss God and die.
• 34:49
  Ray Comfort: Wait, why'd she have a New Zealand?
• 34:51
  Emeal Zwane: accent.
• 34:52
  Emeal Zwane: All right, so let's get on to.
• 34:54
  Emeal Zwane: Okay.
• 34:56
  Emeal Zwane: What, then, is the wrong kind of judgment then between each other as believers?
• 35:00
  Emeal Zwane: Romans 10, 14, 10 to 13.
• 35:03
  Emeal Zwane: But why do you judge your brother or why do you show contempt for your brother?
• 35:06
  Emeal Zwane: For we all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ, for it is written as I live, says the judgment that we need to be careful of, which is the intent, the motives of the heart, convictions that others have, where we begin to make judgments on them because they don't align with ours.
• 35:38
  Emeal Zwane: What do you say is one of the best ways to help us avoid being like that, that judgmental spirit toward other believers?
• 35:47
  Mark Spence: Yeah, you know.
• 35:47
  Mark Spence: Cs Lewis said don't judge a man for where he is, for you don't know how far he's come.
• 35:52
  Mark Spence: You know we're all on different paths, different journeys.
• 35:57
  Mark Spence: You think of all the things, right?
• 35:58
  Mark Spence: I mean, oscar's upbringing is a whole lot different than mine, right?
• 36:02
  Mark Spence: I can't expect his sanctification process to be the same as mine and you can't expect mine to be the same as yours, right?
• 36:11
  Mark Spence: And because somebody may have the license maybe to partake in something or not, partake in something doesn't mean somebody is more spiritual than the other person.
• 36:21
  Mark Spence: We need to look at things as black and white.
• 36:23
  Mark Spence: If they're sinful.
• 36:24
  Mark Spence: If it's not sinful, let the person live his life.
• 36:28
  Mark Spence: Right, we hear people go well, I homeschool.
• 36:30
  Mark Spence: I cannot believe that somebody would put their child in a public school.
• 36:34
  Mark Spence: That is absolutely horrific.
• 36:35
  Mark Spence: Wow, slow down.
• 36:38
  Mark Spence: You don't know their situation, you don't know their circumstance, you don't know their financial foundation for why they have to make the decisions that they're making.
• 36:46
  Mark Spence: Are they making a sinful decision by doing that act?
• 36:51
  Mark Spence: Let them live their life.
• 36:53
  Mark Spence: There's a reason why they are the parents or they are working over there, or they are living over in that direction.
• 37:00
  Mark Spence: So if we stopped pointing that finger and realize there's three fingers pointing back at us when we point our finger at people.
• 37:07
  Mark Spence: I think that we would do ourselves well right Not to be busy bodies.
• 37:11
  Mark Spence: Now, as close friends living in a close proximity of each other and we earn the right to be able to speak inside of each other's lives we can maybe approach things by asking questions.
• 37:23
  Mark Spence: Asking good questions leads to better answers instead of starting off with just coming down against someone.
• 37:32
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that's really good, you know sorry, go ahead.
• 37:34
  Emeal Zwane: Well, I was just going to say, mark, that's so good, and you know, you think about how grotesque it is, honestly, when we have that judgmental spirit and attitude.
• 37:43
  Emeal Zwane: It's so ugly, and I'm saying this out of conviction, because I've, of course, had it at different points in my life, like about 40 minutes ago.
• 37:50
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, oh, when was that?
• 37:51
  Emeal Zwane: When?
• 37:51
  Oscar Navarro: you were late Oscar.
• 37:53
  Emeal Zwane: When you were late.
• 37:53
  Emeal Zwane: How dare you Now see that's an external judgment, because the clock said something and you were late.
• 37:58
  Emeal Zwane: And then what happened?
• 37:59
  Emeal Zwane: What happened?
• 38:00
  Emeal Zwane: This?
• 38:00
  Mark Spence: is so good.
• 38:01
  Mark Spence: No, no, no.
• 38:02
  Emeal Zwane: I was here and and you disappeared and we were waiting for you.
• 38:05
  Ray Comfort: No, it's about when you arrived.
• 38:07
  Mark Spence: Guys are so judgmental.
• 38:08
  Mark Spence: We have to explain this for the audience.
• 38:10
  Mark Spence: You're so judgmental?
• 38:11
  Mark Spence: No, I think this is a really good time for Oscar to say something.
• 38:15
  Emeal Zwane: I'm making a point.
• 38:15
  Emeal Zwane: All right, take it away, hold on, I'm making a point.
• 38:17
  Mark Spence: All right, let him finish the point, and then we'll rip him apart.
• 38:19
  Emeal Zwane: So my point is you know you could think about this.
• 38:23
  Emeal Zwane: See the pastor that you just saw at the church when you went there last week for a visit.
• 38:30
  Emeal Zwane: You see him driving through town in a Mercedes or a BMW.
• 38:33
  Emeal Zwane: Look at that guy.
• 38:35
  Emeal Zwane: Well, you didn't know, right, that his car just died, and a nice friend let him use his car for the day.
• 38:45
  Emeal Zwane: That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
• 38:47
  Emeal Zwane: You see someone oh, look at that big house they have.
• 38:49
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, they're a really good missionary, right.
• 38:51
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, you didn't know that their wealthy father gave them that house as a gift and they have zero house payments so that they could be able to serve the Lord freely.
• 38:58
  Emeal Zwane: It's just so many things where we don't know.
• 39:01
  Emeal Zwane: And maybe they do own that car, Maybe they do own that house.
• 39:06
  Emeal Zwane: How about?
• 39:06
  Emeal Zwane: It's none of your business, right?
• 39:09
  Ray Comfort: So when I get judged for putting ice cream in the microwave, oh how?
• 39:13
  Mark Spence: wicked Ray.
• 39:14
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I just get there's been a lot of comments that have come in and said that they agree with you.
• 39:18
  Ray Comfort: Yes, I know, but I've not passed them on to you, I know easy's past a couple of them.
• 39:22
  Emeal Zwane: We keep getting them know what I'm saying.
• 39:29
  Emeal Zwane: Right, and that's what we have to stay away from.
• 39:30
  Emeal Zwane: And I would say the best answer is, like we're told in 1 Thessalonians 4, mind your own business, don't.
• 39:35
  Ray Comfort: Busybody.
• 39:36
  Ray Comfort: I love the way you said that.
• 39:37
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, mind your own.
• 39:39
  Emeal Zwane: And I'm speaking to myself, guys, look, I'm not saying this like I've attained.
• 39:42
  Emeal Zwane: I'm saying I'm constantly tempted.
• 39:46
  Emeal Zwane: Right, I have to deal with this guy's black coffee.
• 39:48
  Emeal Zwane: I've got to deal with Ray's chickens, I've got to deal with Mark's, you don't realize the motive for me having chickens.
• 39:55
  Ray Comfort: So we can give eggs to people.
• 39:59
  Mark Spence: And throw eggs at pastor buys.
• 40:01
  Ray Comfort: Hey, can I read James 1, 11 to 12 in the Amplified Bible?
• 40:05
  Ray Comfort: Believers do not speak against or slander one another.
• 40:08
  Ray Comfort: He who speaks self-righteously against a brother or judges his brother hypocritically speaks against the law and judges the law.
• 40:16
  Ray Comfort: In other words, you're setting yourself up as a judge when there's only one lawgiver.
• 40:21
  Ray Comfort: If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge of it.
• 40:25
  Ray Comfort: There is only one lawgiver and judge, the one who is able to save and to destroy, the one, god, who has the absolute power of life and death.
• 40:33
  Ray Comfort: But who are you to hypocritically or self-righteously pass judgment on your neighbor?
• 40:38
  Ray Comfort: Wow, very powerful that is.
• 40:41
  Oscar Navarro: You know, I think a lot of times what happens in our lives is that we, in our self-righteous state, in our assumption that we've got it put together, as we go about when we look at the sanctification process of others.
• 40:55
  Oscar Navarro: I wanna get back to what you were saying earlier, mark.
• 40:56
  Oscar Navarro: What we tend to do is expect people to be sanctified to our image.
• 41:03
  Oscar Navarro: But the sanctification process is meant to sanctify us to the image of Christ.
• 41:07
  Oscar Navarro: Say law, be more like Jesus.
• 41:09
  Oscar Navarro: But when we look at other people and we go, well, they should think this way about alcohol, because that's the way I think they should think this way about this cultural issue, that cultural issue, et cetera, et cetera.
• 41:20
  Oscar Navarro: Ultimately, what we do is we demand others to be in the image of self rather than being in the image of Christ.
• 41:27
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, great word.
• 41:30
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and alongside that, I love what Mark said.
• 41:32
  Emeal Zwane: Chickens.
• 41:32
  Emeal Zwane: I love what Mark said.
• 41:36
  Emeal Zwane: When we're in community, it provides opportunity for counsel in the areas of wisdom.
• 41:44
  Emeal Zwane: There's nothing more beautiful than to be asked by someone hey, what do you think of this?
• 41:49
  Emeal Zwane: You know, I'm really struggling with whether or not to put my kids in school or to homeschool them, or to put them in a private school.
• 41:55
  Emeal Zwane: You know, public versus private, whatever, what do you think I mean?
• 41:58
  Emeal Zwane: And that's where we can share our hearts.
• 42:01
  Emeal Zwane: But even as we do that, we do that with humility, we do that with graciousness, we do that with the caveat of but whatever you guys believe is right for your family.
• 42:10
  Mark Spence: And I've seen you do this well with a friend of ours, a young guy who came to you and said I wanna get a tattoo, and you said, all right, well, let me give you my reasonings why I'm not for tattoos personally, and then you make your decision if you wanna go and get that tattoo.
• 42:26
  Mark Spence: He listened to what you had to say and he went ahead and went and got that tattoo and you celebrated with him and just, I mean, I don't know how would you respond?
• 42:37
  Mark Spence: How would you say your response was after he got that tattoo?
• 42:40
  Emeal Zwane: Well, I told him, and if you get it, I'll be the first to celebrate with you and give you a big hug.
• 42:43
  Emeal Zwane: And you know, Neck piece.
• 42:46
  Mark Spence: Teardrop Face and you know, but I but neck piece.
• 42:48
  Emeal Zwane: But I but I fully and uncompromisingly shared my heart on it because I wanted to, you know, help, give them input and wisdom.
• 42:55
  Emeal Zwane: But at the end of the day it's like, hey, whatever you decide, and then we have to live by that, like we've got to really let it go and say, hey, this is, this is not a sin issue, this is a choice this brother made.
• 43:05
  Emeal Zwane: I can't get into the can't get into the intricacies of why or why not, or what might happen with it or what might not.
• 43:11
  Emeal Zwane: Just leave it alone.
• 43:13
  Mark Spence: Yeah, you didn't walk away coming into my office and say I can't believe he got that tattoo.
• 43:17
  Mark Spence: What a jerk.
• 43:20
  Mark Spence: I mean, you're in private who you were in public.
• 43:23
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and I think it's important that we do that.
• 43:26
  Emeal Zwane: But yeah, there's that opportunity where, look, if we're seeing something that may be an area of liberty in the life of another believer that is now beginning to cause sin in their lives, that thing in and of itself may not be sin, but now it's starting to cause sin or stunt the growth, or stunt their growth, or they're prioritizing it over spiritual things.
• 43:48
  Ray Comfort: I'm getting a tattoo Of your face On your face.
• 43:51
  Ray Comfort: No, it just says tattoos are wrong.
• 43:55
  Mark Spence: On your forehead right, I hate tattoos.
• 43:58
  Emeal Zwane: Yes, it's sinful.
• 44:01
  Oscar Navarro: No regerts, no regerts but you know what I'm saying.
• 44:07
  Emeal Zwane: We need to be able to speak truth, share wisdom.
• 44:08
  Emeal Zwane: We need to be able to, yeah, speak truth, share wisdom, we need to be open to receiving it, but at the end of the day, you know, we have to do what Paul said and just let people make their own decisions.
• 44:18
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and you know that verse that I quoted from Romans preceding, that is, verses one through four.
• 44:26
  Emeal Zwane: In Romans it says receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things, for one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
• 44:33
  Emeal Zwane: Let not him who eats, despise him who does not eat.
• 44:36
  Emeal Zwane: Let not him who does not eat, judge him who eats, for God has received him.
• 44:40
  Emeal Zwane: Who are you to judge another servant To his own master?
• 44:43
  Emeal Zwane: He stands and falls.
• 44:43
  Emeal Zwane: Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand, I love that so good, you guys you're talking about heavy things going on, right?
• 44:52
  Emeal Zwane: I mean, the dietary law was huge in that time and the whole world was split over it, even the pagans, and so it's like he's taking something that is of massive consequence and he's saying let him stand before his judge, who's God?
• 45:07
  Emeal Zwane: Don't go making a big issue out of this.
• 45:10
  Emeal Zwane: Live your life for the Lord and love the believers and if they're straying in the sin.
• 45:14
  Emeal Zwane: That's objective and clear from the word.
• 45:16
  Oscar Navarro: Point it out.
• 45:19
  Emeal Zwane: So yeah, I love this by Thomas Brooks.
• 45:22
  Emeal Zwane: He says it is sad that saints should have many eyes to behold one another's infirmities and not one eye to see each other's graces.
• 45:30
  Ray Comfort: Boy, that's a cyclops.
• 45:32
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, but I love that.
• 45:33
  Emeal Zwane: I think another remedy is to try to look at the sweet attributes that other people have that's good, you know.
• 45:40
  Emeal Zwane: To highlight those, to think on those, to talk about those.
• 45:43
  Emeal Zwane: Tell me about mine.
• 45:45
  Emeal Zwane: I can't think of any.
• 45:47
  Emeal Zwane: I knew that was coming.
• 45:49
  Emeal Zwane: That's the problem.
• 45:50
  Emeal Zwane: But you know I often say that you know when we think of work, I talk about how you know work is a mission field.
• 45:56
  Emeal Zwane: God doesn't put us at work where we'll spend literally 11 years of our life, 365 days made up of 24 hours, to just go to work.
• 46:05
  Emeal Zwane: He uses it as a medium to fulfill the greatest commandment, so you're always looking to bless others.
• 46:11
  Emeal Zwane: You hear about people gossiping about you, slandering.
• 46:13
  Emeal Zwane: You go and intentionally say good things about them to other people, never mentioning anything negative or what they said.
• 46:21
  Emeal Zwane: Just do it, man.
• 46:22
  Emeal Zwane: You want to watch God free you up, set your heart soaring and be a light to people.
• 46:28
  Emeal Zwane: Do stuff like that, amen.
• 46:31
  Oscar Navarro: JC Ryle explains the idea of judgment really well when he says what our Lord means.
• 46:39
  Oscar Navarro: To condemn is a fault-finding spirit, a readiness to blame others for trifling offenses or matters of indifference, a habit of passing rash and hasty judgment, a disposition to magnify the errors and infirmities of our neighbors and to make the worst of them.
• 47:00
  Emeal Zwane: That's so good.
• 47:00
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and this last quote here says it is easier to cry against 1,000 sins of others than to kill one of your own.
• 47:10
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, that's really good.
• 47:11
  Emeal Zwane: I forgot to put down who I think that might be Tim.
• 47:13
  Oscar Navarro: I think I said that.
• 47:14
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, and that's the thing, when we look at our own sin, our own weaknesses, our own struggles, our own shortcomings, there is enough there to preoccupy us without meddling in other people's business.
• 47:27
  Emeal Zwane: It's hard, it's difficult.
• 47:29
  Emeal Zwane: Our sinful nature has a bent to constantly judge, criticize.
• 47:33
  Emeal Zwane: Guys, those listening, please, I plead with you.
• 47:41
  Emeal Zwane: You have to determine to just get out of that business.
• 47:43
  Emeal Zwane: Like I quoted that author last, time.
• 47:44
  Ray Comfort: Ain't you tired yet?
• 47:45
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and it's the whole thing summed up in the story that Jesus told of the Pharisee and the.
• 47:52
  Emeal Zwane: Republican the Republican.
• 47:54
  Emeal Zwane: Oh boy, right, you're going to get a lot of judgmental mail for that one.
• 47:57
  Emeal Zwane: All right, friends, it brings us to another end of another podcast.
• 48:03
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• 48:04
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• 48:08
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• 48:23
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• 48:29
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• 48:32
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• 48:33
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