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Huddle Up | Checking In on Mock Drafts, Reviewing 2025 Rule Change Proposals · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Fields Total
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  Speaker 1: Hoop Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst and
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  Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shaddrick bring
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  Speaker 1: you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome in a Tuddle Up with Bucky Brooks, brought
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• 0:31
  Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser. I guess this is huddle up
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  Speaker 3: without regress.
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  Speaker 4: Right. The quicksand is gone. We can run free. That's
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  Speaker 4: what we were born today. We were born to run
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  Speaker 4: tramps like us.
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  Speaker 2: That's very true. Flit did again to today a new.
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  Speaker 3: Mock draft out by National Media Maven NFL media.
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  Speaker 2: Analyst Daniel Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to who he has the Jaguars taking at
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  Speaker 3: number five coming up. The rules changed. Proposals were announced
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  Speaker 3: earlier on Wednesday. We'll go through those, and I have
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  Speaker 3: a feeling that we're not in agreement on some of
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  Speaker 3: the proposals.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go through.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Hey, they didn't ask me any the
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  Speaker 3: right to be wrong. It's my I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Entitled, as Pete would say, entitle my own wrong opinion.
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  Speaker 3: And then hey, the Jaguars reportedly signing another offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 3: All that's coming up as well. Okay, so it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a strange week. Really. It's the start start a free
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  Speaker 3: agencies done. You know, the players a golf tournament this
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  Speaker 3: week in the rear view that the quarterback was out there,
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  Speaker 3: the coaches were out there on Saturday. Now it's spring
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  Speaker 3: break in a lot of areas, so people are coming
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  Speaker 3: and going vacation. The veterans aren't in yet. That starts
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  Speaker 3: April seventh, but this is kind of no man's last yet.
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  Speaker 4: It's a transition week and it probably feels a little
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  Speaker 4: bit different to Jaguars fans, a little bit different to
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  Speaker 4: us because this year in free agency, usually teams in
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguar have done in the past, sign a couple
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  Speaker 4: of guys and then there's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: second wave, a third tier. The Jaguars really did their
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  Speaker 4: tiers all on the first day. They targeted guys. Some
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  Speaker 4: of the guys that they signed signed contracts that would
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  Speaker 4: usually put them in a second or third tier range,
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  Speaker 4: which usually would have lingered into this week to make
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  Speaker 4: it feel more active. But they targeted guys they knew,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that they wanted, didn't wait for sort of
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  Speaker 4: the market to shake out on some of the swing
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  Speaker 4: tackle or you know, a tight end or backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: So the knew what they wanted, and frankly, there's not
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot left for them to do with what
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  Speaker 4: they had budgeted. So there's a little bit more. But
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  Speaker 4: now the free agents get down to where they're much
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  Speaker 4: more minimum price, much more of a manageable schedule type situation.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a week of transition and kick
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  Speaker 4: your feet up. It's not unusual for.
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  Speaker 2: You or you right right, I mean, don't point at me.
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  Speaker 2: We both know how to relax around here.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, to that end, I mean the Jaguars apparently reportedly
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  Speaker 3: earlier on Wednesday or signing another tackle, Fred Johnson from
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: He's out of Florida.
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  Speaker 3: Three years with the Bengals, part of a season with
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  Speaker 3: the Bucks in twenty twenty two, signed with the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. He was a relief starter last
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  Speaker 3: year during the Super Bowl run for Philadelphia. So that
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  Speaker 3: makes four linemen on the offensive side of added in
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  Speaker 3: free agency. It's it's a big reset of the room overall. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there are some returning starters and things that you're going
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  Speaker 3: to see in the lineup, but a lot of new
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  Speaker 3: faces in there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, at line you need eight or nine guys,
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  Speaker 4: and even or they did not bring back Blake Hants.
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  Speaker 4: Blake Hants was a guy that that level of linemen
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  Speaker 4: that you need that you don't think about a whole
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  Speaker 4: lot until all of a sudden you need it, right,
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  Speaker 4: so you get down to your eighth ninth guy. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: That's what it seems like they're trying to get to
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  Speaker 4: before the draft, where they have eight, nine, ten guys
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  Speaker 4: who have experience, who if they have to turn to them,
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  Speaker 4: they know the offense, they know what they're about. So
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  Speaker 4: they're getting those numbers up of veteran players. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have five offensive line starters and then five rookies behind them.
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  Speaker 4: So it feels like with I want a botch his
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  Speaker 4: name a Boga from last week Ada Adoga, that they
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  Speaker 4: are trying to make sure they have veterans to turn
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  Speaker 4: to to manage the roster during the season and guys
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  Speaker 4: they're familiar with.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a priority you want to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: make a change up front. You got to make a
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  Speaker 3: change up front, and this is the beginning of that
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  Speaker 3: change up It could who knows, it could be more
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  Speaker 3: than the draft.
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  Speaker 4: When regimes change, they also switch out those guys often
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  Speaker 4: that you sort of rely on in a pinch, and
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  Speaker 4: Blake Hans was that guy here. I trust that Blake
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  Speaker 4: will go be that guy somewhere else. You know, Tyler
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  Speaker 4: Shatley last year had been sort of that guy that
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  Speaker 4: you relied on. A little step up from Blake Hants.
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  Speaker 4: But you need linemen like that, maybe above any position
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  Speaker 4: because they're hard to find with receivers or maybe even
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  Speaker 4: a corner if you hit a rough patch during the season.
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  Speaker 4: It's maybe a little easier to go out on the
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  Speaker 4: street during the season find somebody off an other team's
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  Speaker 4: practice squad. Teams like having a a group of linemen
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  Speaker 4: that you can sort of pick from who are available
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  Speaker 4: in a pinch. So it seems like they're trying to
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  Speaker 4: get those numbers out.
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  Speaker 3: Don't fret. You won't miss Blake Cants that much. He
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  Speaker 3: went to Tennessee. He's in the division.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so you'll get to say he can he can
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  Speaker 5: hang he can hang up. Sure, the new season is
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  Speaker 5: right around the corner. Time to get your twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: staff is in veterans will be in in April the
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  Speaker 5: off season program. We'll figure out the draft at the
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  Speaker 5: end of Aprule and then.
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  Speaker 3: Early May usually the schedule will come out so we
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  Speaker 3: know the opponents home and road. We'll have the full
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  Speaker 3: schedule in May as well. Get those tickets right now.
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  Speaker 3: Huddle up without Bucky Brooks today, JP Shadwick and John
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  Speaker 3: Oser on this Wednesday in kind of a weird time
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  Speaker 3: of the offseason. It's mock draft season.
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  Speaker 2: You know that. Well, we have the tracker on Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Actually you have the tracker.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a some years. The tracker is fascinating. I'll
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  Speaker 4: give an insider tip. This year is probably not one
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  Speaker 4: of those years because they're sort of I don't know
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  Speaker 4: necessarily that the mocks the consensus of the mocks are
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  Speaker 4: accurate because everybody and their brother it's probably eighty eighty
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  Speaker 4: five percent Mason Grant, right, That has been what happens
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  Speaker 4: in mocks, and you sort of watch in the same
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  Speaker 4: way I do, JP, there gets to be sort of
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  Speaker 4: a consensus where like when I do a mock, you
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: sort of look at somebody else's mock to get a
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  Speaker 4: feel for what's going on. You look at three or
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  Speaker 4: four trying to get a feel, and there does seem
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  Speaker 4: to be a lot of repetition among even the top mockers.
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  Speaker 4: I do that, and it's okay because my mocks are
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  Speaker 4: just for fun, right, and they're all for fun. But
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  Speaker 4: you even get a lot of monkey see monkey do
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  Speaker 4: with the mocks, especially at the top. Like if somebody drafts,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody mocks a certain quarterback to a
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  Speaker 4: certain team, it becomes sort of part of the group
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  Speaker 4: think of people who follow drafts, and then if you
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  Speaker 4: draft somebody else, everybody's like, oh, you're stupid, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so people tend to sort of copy it. But it's
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  Speaker 4: really become that way with Mason Graham. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: Mason Graham is nearly the lock for the Jaguars that
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people think. I think he's a possibility,
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  Speaker 4: but I think they could go multiple ways in the
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  Speaker 4: first round.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently Daniels Jeremiah thinks that also good for da Daniels
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  Speaker 3: Jeremiah's three point oh mock.
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  Speaker 2: Just came out yes day three point NFL media. Of
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  Speaker 2: course draft animals.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be curious to I guess we'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go one through five, Okay, I'll read about to right.
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  Speaker 3: This has kind of become a general consensus over the
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  Speaker 3: last few weeks that the Titans at number one are
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  Speaker 3: picking quarterback cam Ward.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, feels like that, right.
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  Speaker 3: The Browns at number two, Abdul Carter okay, pass rusher,
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  Speaker 3: defensive end, edge giants at three for Daniel Jeremiah quarterback
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  Speaker 3: Shuder Sanders.
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  Speaker 4: And that means the rest of his draft will be
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  Speaker 4: a little bit different than some peaks.
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  Speaker 3: For the Patriots wide receiver in corner Travis Hunter Okay
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  Speaker 3: to New England.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think Travis Hunter is going to be
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  Speaker 4: there when the Jags pick, so I think they I
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  Speaker 4: think that will get very interesting if he's available when
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  Speaker 4: the Jags pick, Because as much as they like the
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  Speaker 4: idea of line. There's some special about him that's hard
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  Speaker 4: to pass up. And that's sort of when I think
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  Speaker 4: we'll see their philosophy come in and you know, I
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  Speaker 4: talk to different people in the building. Do you do
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  Speaker 4: you just bang online? Because that's what you know. Some
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  Speaker 4: teams just say we're going to take line at all costs.
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  Speaker 2: Figure out the rest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this team wants to be great on the lines.
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  Speaker 4: So that first year, all of a sudden, you have
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  Speaker 4: that dilemma that all teams go through. We want to
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  Speaker 4: be great on the line. But then there's the shiny object,
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  Speaker 4: you know. There, there's the thing cat likes to bat around,
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  Speaker 4: the little ball, and that's the skill guy. Because they're
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  Speaker 4: very tempting. So you sort of get into a philosophical
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  Speaker 4: thing there. Doesn't mean one way is wrong, but it's
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting. But anyway, Jeremiah selects well the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: At number five.
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  Speaker 3: He has Jalen Walker, defensive end from Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Part of his description of this is that.
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  Speaker 3: Walker could play off ball linebacker on early downs and
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  Speaker 3: then rush off the edge when it's time to hunt
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback. But for me, that's what Devin Lloyd was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to do. That's what Devin Lloyd did in college.
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  Speaker 4: Well I did in college, but he.
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  Speaker 2: Hasn't done here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see your point. I don't necessarily think at
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  Speaker 4: this point you draft based on Devin Lloyd. Meaning if
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  Speaker 4: you see a guy who you think can be a
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  Speaker 4: rock star or you know, I don't think you can
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  Speaker 4: not take him because Devin Lloyd's on your roster. I
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  Speaker 4: hope that he thrives in this. He hasn't shown that
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  Speaker 4: he's that level of player yet to knock you off
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  Speaker 4: a guy that you think is in All Pro and
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  Speaker 4: that that's an interesting look. He's the first guy that
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  Speaker 4: I have seen mock him there. But they that would
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  Speaker 4: not surprise me. I think they go either either edge
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  Speaker 4: that sort of player at five, wide receiver or defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: They could go offensive line, but I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 4: the right linemen are going to be there at five
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  Speaker 4: for them to take. But those are the four positions
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  Speaker 4: that I would expect.
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  Speaker 3: And just to wrap up the top ten for Daniel Raiders
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  Speaker 3: at six, the Boise State running back jing T they
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  Speaker 3: got the Jets, seven, Membo, the Missouri tackle, Carolina Panthers
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  Speaker 3: Mason Graham, Michigan defensive tackle at eight, Saints at number
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  Speaker 3: ninej Had Campbell, Alabama linebacker, and the Bears at ten
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  Speaker 3: Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: The LSU tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Sometimes with Macks. What people do too is is
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: they uh, they sort of you have a tendency to
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  Speaker 4: get lazy with it, and you've done your third mock.
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  Speaker 4: You've always sort of put Mason Graham there to the Jaguars,
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  Speaker 4: and and it's hard to get that thinking out of
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  Speaker 4: your head. And of course, the overriding reality of all
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: this is so often all it takes is one team
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  Speaker 4: thinking a different way than everybody assumes they're thinking, and
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  Speaker 4: then a guy goes in a spot and then the
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  Speaker 4: whole mok's off. Because most people who analyze drafts, and
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  Speaker 4: it's the thing I struggle with answering questions. People will
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  Speaker 4: ask all the time, do you think the Jaguars will
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  Speaker 4: take a wide receiver at number five? Which one? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, And that's what it comes down to when
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  Speaker 4: these guys think about it. If they are phrasing things
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  Speaker 4: in that way, then they shouldn't be in the job.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot phrase number eight, Hey, hey, we're gonna take
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  Speaker 4: a defensive tackle. Okay, Well, I mean if if, if
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  Speaker 4: there's a run on it. There's not a guy there,
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  Speaker 4: and you take that defensive tackle, then you're neglig into
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  Speaker 4: the organization. So that's not the way they think. And
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  Speaker 4: it's why you can't draft positionally. You can't therefore needs.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's why this thing becomes so hard to predict.
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  Speaker 2: Attention music fans.
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  Speaker 4: That's you, that's me. Well.
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  Speaker 3: The twenty twenty five season dailies plays continues in May.
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  Speaker 3: Teddy Swims May tenth, May thirty, first t Pain, and
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  Speaker 3: then in June. It is busy as can be. Sticks
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  Speaker 3: with Kevin Cronin and Don Felder June second, Old Dominion
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  Speaker 3: June six, Vampire Weekend June twelfth, Glass Animals just added
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  Speaker 3: June seventeenth, and plenty more throughout the summer. It's any
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  Speaker 3: a j dot com from taking to show info where
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  Speaker 3: was this?
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  Speaker 4: So it sticks at the Jacksonville Memorial Coliseume the old
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  Speaker 4: One on the Pieces of Eight Tour Pieces of Eight,
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  Speaker 4: the Search for the Money Tree JP sounds pretty fun.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good concert. I forget who opened for him,
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: but it was it was in what I would consider
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  Speaker 4: their prime uh Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that would be their prime.
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  Speaker 4: I was I was a child of the seventies. How
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: old were how was I? I would not I would
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  Speaker 4: have been, well, it was actually nineteen seventy nine. I
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  Speaker 4: would have been twelve going on thirteen, back when he
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: used to say age like that, thirteen. No, first first
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  Speaker 4: real concert was Foreigner with the cars opening. But the
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: first concert I went to was John Denver with my
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  Speaker 4: parents nice. So yeah, it was a different vibe, but
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  Speaker 4: foreigner than it was John Denver.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my first concert was zz Top that's it,
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  Speaker 3: jack O the opening band, Yeah, Sallingham, Jefferson Civics. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: well it was great.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: The civic centers in Birmingham and Jacksonville are are the
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  Speaker 4: place to see your first concert.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, let's wrap up today with rules change proposals announced
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  Speaker 3: earlier today that during the upcoming league meetings, clubs can
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  Speaker 3: discuss the following proposed rules changes. All proposals must be
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  Speaker 3: approved by seventy five percent of league owners to be adopted.
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  Speaker 3: There aren't that many, but there are some big proposals.
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  Speaker 3: Of the five that were sent out earlier on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: Detroit trying to amend Rule eight Section four. I know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: you know the rule book up and down left four,
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  Speaker 3: you know exactly what that is. They want to eliminate
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  Speaker 3: an automatic first down as a penalty impost for defensive
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  Speaker 3: holding and illegal contact.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be stunned if that gets past.
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  Speaker 2: It's an offensive league.
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  Speaker 4: It's an offensive league. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: are you I see their point, But then all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden you take out the if a defender gets
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  Speaker 4: beat on a on a hook and go, then where's
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  Speaker 4: the incentive not to just grab at the line of scripts?
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  Speaker 4: There may be often in these rules there's a there's
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  Speaker 4: a twist to it that the people who really examine
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  Speaker 4: it see that you don't initially see. When I was
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  Speaker 4: with the Colts, both Bill Polling and Tony Dungee are
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  Speaker 4: on the Competition Committee, so they talked a lot about that.
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  Speaker 4: So I learned quite a bit about how that all
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  Speaker 4: that works. And there's a lot of thought and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of discussion that goes into these rules that's sort
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  Speaker 4: of beyond what you sort of see in a piece
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  Speaker 4: of paper on this, but on that, I've got to
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  Speaker 4: think that's what the rules committee is going over. If
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  Speaker 4: we put this in. They always think what does it
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  Speaker 4: do to take away the spirit of the game right now?
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  Speaker 4: And that would be what I guess they're concerned about,
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  Speaker 4: is if there's not a penalty for holding, then the
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  Speaker 4: savvy corner just has his hands all everybody all the time,
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  Speaker 4: because all you're giving up is two yards better than forty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so I'd be surprised if that if that passes.
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  Speaker 3: Green Bay trying to amend Rule twelve section.
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  Speaker 4: One, right, you know, twelve section one.
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  Speaker 3: They want to prohibit an offensive player from pushing a
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  Speaker 3: teammate who has lined up directly behind the snapper and
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  Speaker 3: receives the snap immediately at the snap, So basically they
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  Speaker 3: want to eliminate the push play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be all for them eliminating it. Why because
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: to me, there are times with the league where it's
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  Speaker 4: supposed to look and feel right, and there's something about
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  Speaker 4: the push play. It looks like a rugby player, not
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  Speaker 4: a football play.
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  Speaker 3: Just just didn't they just they ran this play in
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  Speaker 3: like nineteen ten all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Right right right nineteen ten. So but I think I
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  Speaker 4: know where you're going with it, and I think it's
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  Speaker 4: why they will not eliminate it, because I think it
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  Speaker 4: there's another side of it where I think it'd be
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  Speaker 4: unfair to the Eagles because they're just better at it
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  Speaker 4: than everybody, So you're penalizing. So I think what the
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: rules Committee is probably discussing is, Okay, we eliminate this
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: because there is some correctness that people say that. What
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: the League and Competition Committee likes is if you're sitting
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: in a sports bar and watching it, that it looks
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: like football, and there's something about the push play that
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: people look at and go that just doesn't feel right.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: So but the other side of that is once you
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: eliminate that, then in five years, when somebody else comes
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: up with something different that's working, the Eagles correctly come
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: back and say, we eliminate the darn push play just
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: because we were good at.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It, and now you're doing this too.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: The Eagles have a that play works for the most part,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: not because the Eagles is necessarily a great interior line.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: It works because Jalen Hurts is a freak.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he can squat six hundred pounds, right, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: then you get the power behind him on top of that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So is that fair to Jalen Hurts just because
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: he's stronger than me, Well, that's me. But yeah, so
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: it's it's a legitimate debate because there's part on both sides,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: But I don't I would be surprised if they change it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: The key part of that proposal to me is the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: one at the end that says, immediately at the snap, okay.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Well what's the media?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: What?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: How much time is that?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Is? Right?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: You have to hold it for two seconds? And then
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: le I don't know, like that would be weird to make.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you get a situation where do teams
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: have their backs delay two seconds and then charge the line,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: which is even more for injury, right right? I forget
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: who who had discussed this with or may have heard
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: the conversation. The argument that people want to make, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: that my instinct was to make, is this rule or
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: the play. The way it would get eliminated, It was
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Judy Batista at the combine when we talked to her JP.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: The way it would get eliminated and easy to eliminate
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: is if it was causing injury, because the league always
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: wants to prevent that. But as she pointed out, there's
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: no data to support that, so you would think it
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: would cause injury because of this massive humanity. But it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: really not because it's not a it's not a big
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: impact play.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, the one we really remember was the Super
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Bowl Chris Jones find up sideways and then got whacked
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: out the side.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Of the neck.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But I think upside with yeah, I mean exactly, so
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: they're the argument, and I don't necessarily think it's wrong
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: for Chris Jones and the Chiefs to be saying, well,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: this is it's a good argument. But I don't I
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: don't think it. I don't think it goes away.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: All right, let's move along Philadelphia trying to a man
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Rule sixteen, Section one.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: You know that part of the Brooke. Well, sure, they
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: want to align.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: The postseason and regular season overtime rules. They want to
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: grant both teams an opportunity to possess the ball regardless
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of the outcome of the first possession, and make it
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: a fifteen minute overtime period in the regular season.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I think it'll I don't know, man, this.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Is now, this is the postseason rule. Yeah, I don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: mind the one possession play defense.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You can play defense. It's allowed to play.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's hard because some of these rules we just talked about,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: but you could stop teams and play defense.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: And right now in the regular season, if you hold
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: them to a field goal, you get the ball. That's right,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: It's it's fair to ask a team to hold the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: team to a field goal. I was always under the
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I never even minded the first version of it, because
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you're allowed to play defense. I've come off that a
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: little bit because holding a team to a field goal
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: in the first possession now, or preventing a field goal
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: in the first possession when all the team wants to
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: do is get a field goal in this day and age,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: is probably slants it too much to the team that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: receives the ball. But I wouldn't mind seeing this rule pass.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: But it's important to remember one of the things the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Competition Committee always looks at when they are deciding rules
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: is player safety during the season. And there is always
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the reason that the NFL doesn't have the College rule
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: is there's a feeling that that potentially, especially the first
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: version of the college rule that went on forever, adds
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: so many plays in fatigue situations that you increase injury.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: So the Competition Committee will always try to air on
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the side of shorter, which is why I think it
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: may take this rule a year or two to get in.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: It may take some lobbying to get it in because
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: it lengthens what is now.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Those are the club playing rules proposals. There are also
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: two club bylaw proposals. Detroit active in this period here
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: wants to amend Article twenty section twenty point two of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the Constitution and bylaws. I know you know those by Starry,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: so you're very familiar to this situation. They want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: amend the current playoffs seating format to allow wildcard teams
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to be seated higher than division champions if the wildcard
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: team has a better regular season record.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this comes up every now and then.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, and boy, detroits up in everybody's business.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: They're trying to be uh. A few games and all
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of a sudden.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're right, start flexing. I'm with you. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: there was a time where I really thought that this
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: was a good idea. And then the more I talk
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: to people, there is a a sanctity of the division
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: in the NFL. Uh that you want it to matter? Now,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: maybe it's different than when I was a kid and
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: there were six five team divisions. Now it's eight four
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: team divisions. But if you if you get away from
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: having the seating based on division finished, meaning the you know, one, two, three,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: four division winners, then you start the wild card, then
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: maybe your bast back when they would just sort of
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: throw the teams into one through eight. And do you
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: really if you're a casual reserve of basketball, do you
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: really know what divisions are out West? So and I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: not I don't follow basketball as much as a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: of people. So maybe people who follow it follow it,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: but I remember when I was following it, I didn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: really quite know West. It didn't matter because it was
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: seeded one through eight, and the seating gives the division title.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: It makes sure you have a home game, and I
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: understand that there are some years that that feels unfair
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: when the Lions finished fourteen and three and the Bucks
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: finished ten and seven and get a playoff. But if
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: this changes, which it could but I don't think it will,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: then it's a big It's a big moment for me
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: of how the league has always thought about divisions and
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: that tradition and I want to say culture, but you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for that that's set up in that thought
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: basis in the league if this changes, that's a big
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: change from that, and I think it'll be hard to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: get the league away and get the owners away from
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: de emphasizing divisions.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree with that wholeheartedly.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Obviously, we're talking about last year Detroit and Minnesota. So
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Detroit was fifteen and two, Minnesota was fourteen and three,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and they were the top wild card team while the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Rams at ten and seven Tampa Bay ten and seven
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: had home games as division champions. Yeah, I would say this, Okay,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: if you want to host play don't lose three games, right, like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: go be better? Yeah, go win. Also, it's right there
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: in front of you. That's the carrot.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Home field matters in the playoffs very much. But the
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: idea here is to win the Super Bowl if you're
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: a big time team. There's been plenty of teams that
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: have gone on the road to win the Super Bowl.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: It's harder, but you can do it. You're not precluded
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: from winning that game just because it's.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You know, sixty minutes of football.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there were times where I used to follow the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: NBA that you always felt like, well, the home team's
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: never going to lose because you always felt like there
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: was something right. But in the NFL hopefield advantage is big.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: But you also see teams, good teams that go all
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the way. They often have to go on the road,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: you know. I remember back in the day when the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Broncos were really good, when the Jags Broncos in the nineties,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Denver had to go on the road one year, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: they went on the road and started their run. It
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: happens all the time. The Giant stated a couple of times,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: the last year the Vikings had that great season, they
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: went lost to the Rams out there. Well that there
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: wasn't a weather game, there was a reason Vikings couldn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: gone one. I'm sure they would tell you they didn't
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: lose because they were on the road. They lost because
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: they didn't play as well. So I don't think that'll
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think that'll pass, nor do I think it should.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I think what will continue to happen is once every
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: four years, it'll be a heavy debate in December that
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: people who don't consider divisions as supportant get very mad at.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: And then one more club bylaw proposal, again by Detroit,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the Lion's Busy Article seventeen, Section seventeen point one of
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the Constitution and bylaws, they want to exclude from the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: ninety player limited player placed on reserve injured before or
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: on the day of the roster reduction to fifty three players,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: unless such players designated for return.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So this is basically just a.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Roster so they're basically trying to get They're trying to
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: sneak a guy through, right, Yeah, And it's like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, exclude from the ninety player limit a guy that's
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: on the reserve list before or on the reduction data.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Fifteen so they could bring him back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unless he's designated for return. So basically, yeah, they
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: just want to sneak him through.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There, this could pass, and I'd have to really
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: really really read the rule to know all the ramifications,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: but it feels like they're trying to loosen up the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: ability to hold on to a few more guys and
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: have the injured reserve be a little more flexible. This
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: has been the trend probably since right before COVID of
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: making it. It's essentially expanding rosters without expanding rosters, it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: what they're doing. What I mean by that is you're
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: giving teams more up oportunity to keep guys around and
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: not expose them, which in essence, Like it used to be,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: you could sort of protect fifty three guys. Now you
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: can do a few more in interviewserve bringing them back up.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: You have a little more ability to pull guys up
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: with the practice squad, which essentially has meant regular season
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: rosters being fifty six and fifty seven that they have
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: access to rather than fifty three. There's been a trend
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: toward that. What you wonder is over time, does the
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: nfl PA during a CBA say, hey, we got a
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're going to keep these guys and
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: have them available to you, do we need to have
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: a fifty fourth guy who's getting paid like that guy.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: But in recent years the trend has been to allow
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: more flexibility here. So it wouldn't surprise me this one
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: got past. And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: It gives you more roster continuity at the bottom. So
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: if they do it's fine, we'll see. But that's the
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: spirit of it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Those are the proposals, and again they must be approved
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: by seventy five percent of the owners to be adopted.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: There's the annual meeting at the end of March.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: There's some other meetings in May, so you never know
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: how these things.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, most of these they feel like level of rule
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: that they'll either go yeah or in a in late
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: March in Palm Beach.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, knock it out all right.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: As we said, quiet somewhat of a quiet week spring
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: break season, Pro Day season. This year April seventh, the
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: off season program Phase one can begin with the new
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: head coach.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: So the countdown is on to that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Well, if Jaguars Happy our radio at four o'clock Thursday
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: on ten to next lam Jeff Logoman and I will
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: bring that to you. And we got it done without Bucky.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Well, it's tough. It was tough. I mean it's uh.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I'll probably get a rest later, ye, Matt.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Take it the little nap. Thanks John, that's John Ozer.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'm j P.
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• 32:10
  Speaker 3: thanks to you for listening to Huddle Up