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#1996 Stakes is High · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jipop Now. Potts.
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  Speaker 1: am your host Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a bonus episode.
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  Speaker 2: You've been following the series, It's gonna keep going month
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  Speaker 2: to month. In the year twenty twenty six, we're celebrating
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  Speaker 2: thirty years since nineteen ninety six, a year that saw
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  Speaker 2: a number of dope, classic great if it was weak,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know about it albums from the year. We've
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  Speaker 2: already done a few, but obviously once a month I
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  Speaker 1: If you've really been paying attention, Ill Famed.
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  Speaker 2: This other is obviously a hip hop head, but got
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  Speaker 2: a dope podcast, black Wrestling, and he does a whole
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  Speaker 1: Man, what's good, brother, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's uh, it's it's interesting being live on screens.
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  Speaker 3: I'm used to like giving you everything hip hop culture,
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm for years at this point because like I
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  Speaker 3: listen if you if you know folks that podcast they
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and they tell you they
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  Speaker 1: Go listen to your people stuff, man, because I run into.
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  Speaker 3: People all the time and they, yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: listen to you every week man.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, word, what would you listen to?
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  Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I was listening to Wiz Buffy yesterday. Word.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't done that quite some time.
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  Speaker 3: So you was listening yesterday, Man, got listen to your
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  Speaker 3: people stuff, man, and like I said, Man, it's really dope,
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  Speaker 3: uh to.
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  Speaker 1: Be be here while you actually record the intro. Yeah, Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's good to have you. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that I brought people on
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  Speaker 2: who not only obviously a hip hop fans and fans
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  Speaker 2: of these albums, but also can speak to it in
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  Speaker 2: ways where we learn stuff. Right, we learned stuff about
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  Speaker 2: you as a fan myself the time. Whatever it may be, man,
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  Speaker 2: So always a pleasure having you on a podcast. And
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  Speaker 2: go watch his podcast Black Wrestling. I watch it. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. When I'm ready to get my
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  Speaker 2: wrestling bag, or I haven't been watching a while, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: who's these niggas? I go watch them so I know
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  Speaker 2: who I'm looking at on the screen. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, But definitely support. So let's get into it, man.
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  Speaker 2: So the year is nineteen ninety six. Daylight Soul is
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  Speaker 2: coming back with a brand new album called Stakes Is High.
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  Speaker 2: The date is July second, nineteen ninety six. If you're like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, yes, now's it was written dropped the
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  Speaker 2: same day as this album, right, highly decorated album for
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  Speaker 2: Dayla Soul. A crossroads in a lot of ways for them,
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  Speaker 2: a comeback in a lot of ways for them. Also,
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  Speaker 2: real quick, I like to do I like to do this, fam,
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  Speaker 2: just to give us a little perspective. We have our
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  Speaker 2: own perspective. But on Apple Music, you know, they have
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  Speaker 2: these writers write these I guess like summaries about the album,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna read a little bit from there. On
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  Speaker 2: their fourth album, sax Is High, day La Soul provide
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  Speaker 2: the missing link between their unconventional attitude towards eighties hip
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  Speaker 2: hop and the upcoming revolution in nineties indie rap, the
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  Speaker 2: idiosyncratic rappers like Black Star and Company Flow that took
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  Speaker 2: their ball and ran with it. It marked a moment
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  Speaker 2: where they could have just as easily fallen off. Stakes
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  Speaker 2: were indeed high. So obviously there's more there. But Fam,
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  Speaker 2: I do you see this album before we, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get into the mix of it. Do you see this
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  Speaker 2: album in that same light that they described?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so my favorite thing right in your gatekeep culture right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm always hear it. But when they talk about idio
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  Speaker 3: secrecies and cultural nuances. It's right because I always felt
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  Speaker 3: like you had two kinds of rappers all the time.
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  Speaker 3: You always had like the superman rapper and the everyday rapper, right,
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  Speaker 3: And the cool part about the everyday rapper is there
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  Speaker 3: were so many small touch points we were like, oh
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  Speaker 3: I felt that way too, or I went through that
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  Speaker 3: same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And when you get down to this subgenre.
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  Speaker 3: Of rappers, stakes, man, you understand like the they speak
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  Speaker 3: for the regular guy, you know what I'm saying. We
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  Speaker 3: heard all the superheros and the jay Z super drug dealer,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's cool, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: I can enjoy it, but this.
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  Speaker 1: I can relate to. And I think that's where like
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  Speaker 1: the nuance comes into play.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a good way to put it, right because
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people chose the side as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to being fans of it all and understanding what
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  Speaker 2: how you relate to states is high versus how you
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  Speaker 2: feel or maybe even relate to reasonable doubt was dropped
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  Speaker 2: the month before by jay Z, which was his debut.
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  Speaker 2: For those who don't know, and you've seen the episode,
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  Speaker 2: if not, go watch it. But yeah, I agree, man,
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  Speaker 2: and I like what was there what was being said
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  Speaker 2: about the stakes is high. Also feel like, and obviously
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get into it, but I also feel
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  Speaker 2: like the stakes is high was high for Daylight Soul
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  Speaker 2: for a number of reasons at this point in this
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  Speaker 2: year in particular, but also when you listen to the album,
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  Speaker 2: the conscious commentary in the lyrics and the skits was
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  Speaker 2: also saying the stakes is high for you know, society basically.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's I think some of those things
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  Speaker 2: get lost on people, especially back.
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  Speaker 1: Then when it was about war and all of that
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  Speaker 1: and what was being said.
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  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, right, so prior to
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  Speaker 2: the stakes is high, obviously, I assume you're a big
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  Speaker 2: Daylight fan, what was your feelings about Daylight Soul.
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  Speaker 3: Lead before this album and leading up to this album? So,
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  Speaker 3: first rap video I remember is Pahoso My. That's the
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  Speaker 3: very very first rap video, and I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: I heard it wasn't the first rap I'd heard. I
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  Speaker 3: heard rap music, but I've never seen the video the
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  Speaker 3: little harmonica whatever instrument, like, oh this is hard, Like
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  Speaker 3: this is I like this?
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  Speaker 1: It's different though, Like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It shold my pops and I always referred to as
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  Speaker 3: like you remember Mobeta Blues Shadow Henderson was in the
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  Speaker 3: in the gun Dang store and he was buying them
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  Speaker 3: gout danged the long old school CD joints that they
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  Speaker 3: came into long boxes. That was my pops every week.
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  Speaker 3: That's my Pops every week. Whatever came out, knew, get
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  Speaker 3: it to me. And he you know, he funk and
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  Speaker 3: soul and he was a piano player in the vocalist,
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  Speaker 3: so he was big into music. But he was jazzy
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  Speaker 3: enough to like not shun rap like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: our parents did. So Pops own State at high Rising, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so I played that joke. I was like this
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  Speaker 3: the video, I see you know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 3: so my godmother and my mom knew I.
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  Speaker 1: Was a Daylight.
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  Speaker 3: So Daylight Aum came out. Huh you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: Daylight sold dead. Huh Tay. They always did that for me,
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  Speaker 3: So I was always I was always with day Li
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  Speaker 3: is one of the more consistent things or you know
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  Speaker 3: groups in like my whole hip hop journey, they always
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  Speaker 3: been around.
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  Speaker 2: So what about Balloon Mind State? How did you feel
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  Speaker 2: about that album, which for those watching and listening that
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  Speaker 2: stay album right before Stakes is Eye, So.
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  Speaker 3: I like, all I knew is breaking Down is god
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  Speaker 3: dang amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But like I I was young.
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  Speaker 3: I was super super young, So I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: I grasped like what they were doing the like the
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  Speaker 3: reinventu Like I didn't grasp it right and so, and.
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  Speaker 1: I was still just kind of young growing to hip hop.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's kind of why this album so this so
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  Speaker 3: Stakes came out after my junior year in high school.
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  Speaker 3: So the things you do in the summer of your
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  Speaker 3: junior year in high school and it's some of the
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  Speaker 3: more you know, defining things in your lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm finally old enough to kind of understand more complex
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  Speaker 3: concepts as an adult and you know, a young young
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  Speaker 3: adult and and you know, having more understanding so previous
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  Speaker 3: to that, I just like how the music sounded.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I could.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for me, you know, I was a
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  Speaker 2: fan of Daylight, so especially their debut three Free.
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  Speaker 1: High and Rising.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of it had to do
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  Speaker 2: with how animated the album was, because you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was of a certain age and like you said, Poetholes
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  Speaker 2: in my Lung was dope me myself, and I was
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  Speaker 2: was dope, and it was mainly for me. It was
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  Speaker 2: the video was like fun and all of that, and
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, all the colors on the album,
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  Speaker 2: so everything that was excite a little kid, you know
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  Speaker 2: who loves hip hop at this point. And then when
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  Speaker 2: Daylight Soul Was Dead came out before I heard it,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't understand it because I loved Ring Ring Ring,
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  Speaker 2: like I love that shit, so I thought it was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, part two party part two. But then I
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  Speaker 2: was like, well, why they rejecting the thing I liked,
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  Speaker 2: Like why.
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  Speaker 1: And like you, I felt the same way.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't dialing in on the lyrics and the overall
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  Speaker 2: theme everything that was being said, and I knew they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to part ways with it, and I knew the
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  Speaker 2: album was dope. By the time they got to their
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: third album, I think I was like heavy into other stuff, tribe,
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  Speaker 2: you know, woo, like everything that was new was I
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  Speaker 2: was laser focused on.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So when it was like, oh, Daylight is here again
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  Speaker 2: and I heard the single break of Dawn, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that song is dope. But you know, I never had
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  Speaker 2: the bread to buy all those other things and that.
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  Speaker 2: So that was something I listened to later. But one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that I learned later, especially much later
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  Speaker 2: when I did like a rank in other albums and
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  Speaker 2: I listened to everything again Balloon Mind State, but definitely
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  Speaker 2: Stakes is high. It's like Daylud without the Prince Paul's fluids.
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  Speaker 2: So now, back then I didn't know it was it
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  Speaker 2: was just New Daylight, you know what I'm saying. But
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  Speaker 2: I think in retrospect, especially with those albums, as especially
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  Speaker 2: with this one, I could hear it more like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I see what Prince Paul brought to Daylight that we
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  Speaker 2: liked that's not here. So it feels like a New
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  Speaker 2: day Live, you know what I'm saying. And and similar
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  Speaker 2: to Outcasts in ninety six and Nas in ninety six,
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  Speaker 2: where their albums in that year change who they were
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  Speaker 2: going forward and how and how they created music. Right
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  Speaker 2: because Nas he hasn't made another project like Allmatic since,
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  Speaker 2: but everything is a rendition of what he, you know,
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  Speaker 2: did on It was written same thing without cast Southern
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  Speaker 2: playlistic was gone and you was just gonna get different.
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  Speaker 2: So I felt like with Daylight, it was almost like
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  Speaker 2: we were getting to know them again for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: So eighteen songs because you know they'd be doing skits
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  Speaker 2: and all that about an hour to eight minutes, right
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  Speaker 2: about an outer hour and eight minutes. Fam, Let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you this stakes is high is out? You go
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  Speaker 2: pick it up CD tape? What's the story behind your
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  Speaker 2: first listen?
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  Speaker 1: Hate?
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  Speaker 3: So I I remember this was out? What was the
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  Speaker 3: The tribe was out too?
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  Speaker 1: Right? The Tribe came out? Did the Trip come out
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  Speaker 1: right after them?
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  Speaker 3: Out?
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  Speaker 1: Later? Once again? Yeah? Like on it, but the single
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  Speaker 1: was out.
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  Speaker 3: So I didn't cop first day. I bought an OS right.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up going to summer school that summer. Mm
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  Speaker 3: hmm in summer school, and my man is in the
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  Speaker 3: same class. Shout out to re, shout out to Sham
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  Speaker 3: and Sham like you're still rocking the nas listen to
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  Speaker 3: these two. And he just gave me the CDs, just
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  Speaker 3: handed them to me. And so I had a little chick.
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  Speaker 3: She had a car, and so I'm like, put this in.
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  Speaker 1: What's this? Shut up? Just put and riding back to
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  Speaker 1: the crib man.
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  Speaker 3: And when I tell you, the rest of that summer,
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  Speaker 3: me and that young lady roll rolled around listening to
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  Speaker 3: the most classical scared of hose music and we really listen.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I listen, it was that is one
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  Speaker 3: of the riding around next that Green.
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  Speaker 1: Corolla specifically.
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  Speaker 3: Is is where it takes me. And that's I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was having a conversation with Vegas, I mean with
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  Speaker 3: Kill and I was like, Yo, if you miss something right,
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  Speaker 3: there is no level of go back and listen that
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  Speaker 3: allows you to feel with it felt like when certain
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  Speaker 3: things was outside in the streets and the way that
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  Speaker 3: I've wrote around that summer. Man, it's like when you
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  Speaker 3: put that album back on, or you put the CD in,
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  Speaker 3: or you press play on that B three, you go
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  Speaker 3: to streaming nothing, there's a piece of where you first
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  Speaker 3: touched it every time paused that you feel every time
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  Speaker 3: you listen to one of these songs.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what stakes is house for me. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: I think for me, my story is a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: And we're definitely going to get into this when we
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  Speaker 2: start talking about lyrics. But I wasn't feeling the hating,
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  Speaker 2: you know like that that I wasn't. I was just
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like, what are you saying? Like it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shots said Champagne like, well what's the problem
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  Speaker 2: and and that and that goes for you know, a
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: couple of individuals who I was fans of, like j
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, where but he probably got
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  Speaker 2: it the worst for me as a fan because I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not fucking with that nigga.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. The opposite, Like I was the opposite. I
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  Speaker 1: loved it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, f them niggas because like, look at them I
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  Speaker 3: was with him.
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  Speaker 1: It did listen. I I'm I have never in rap beefs.
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  Speaker 3: There's only one time while I was like mad at
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  Speaker 3: one of the other niggas. But like in rap beafs,
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  Speaker 3: it is what it is. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I love being Yeah, but he was You're talking that
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  Speaker 3: talk and I was like, I see, but it's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's it's what was cool about that time because I
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  Speaker 3: feel like for me, this is one of the more
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: influential records for me because for quite some time that
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  Speaker 3: was my rap identity. I didn't want to hear them flossing,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the flossy rappers, the shiny shoe rappers, like they messing
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: it up, and then things would happen to validate those
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: feelings like the locks before Puff and the locks after Puff, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so for years.
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  Speaker 1: I was like yeah, and then what I didn't what I.
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  Speaker 3: Ended up realizing later is I would cut certain music
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  Speaker 3: off because I wasn't with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this don't fit my jam sport.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, well hold up, let Brooklyn talk for a minute, right,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: talk about Jay the damnature from Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about Bake from Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all was grimy in the early nineties, far behind me.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't hard to find me number one with the
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  Speaker 2: fu cup Like, come on, man, that the dude racked, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but also some of us don't hold up the wall
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  Speaker 2: when we go to the club, and that was the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I liked about Big, because you
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just getting He didn't just convert to shiny suit.
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  Speaker 2: And we know where that came from, We know what
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  Speaker 2: the juicy be, we know how Big truly felt about it.
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  Speaker 1: But that baby all off the record right right.
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  Speaker 2: But with going back to Daylight as a fan, I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: just didn't feel like it was necessary. I felt like
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  Speaker 2: they were dope enough to just make dope music to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: make people say they're still dope, which I think I
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: think they did in a lot of respects. I think
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  Speaker 2: it just at the at that point in time with me,
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  Speaker 2: it just kind of made me slow to this project.
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  Speaker 2: But when I heard another song and then another song,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: See for me, they they pushed me the way they
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  Speaker 3: pushed the raucous movement right, which which which came after this.
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  Speaker 3: But I think this album was necessary for all those
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: albums to be necessary because I felt like hip hop
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  Speaker 3: was going one way. I was just bragging them out
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: my son, like yo, nah. They used to play like
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a buckshot at in the five o'clock ride home, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in here, like not even like I had to go
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to New York list they were playing it here and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Between Baltimore and DC, we
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: were hearing all types of hip hop. And then there
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: was a push where it was like okay, formula records
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and records that you know, we're being targeted to do
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: certain things instead of just making good music, right. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I felt like they saw it before I saw it,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: and they were calling it out because they knew and
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: imbalance was coming.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I think like with Daylight in general and some of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: those mcs appear on this album like Common and most Death.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: But I think for Daylight what bothered me was they
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: were they were highly successful at a time where you
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: could just do that MM. But the industry is a business,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and they know more than anybody it is a business.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It just felt like Big isn't Vanilla's, He isn't a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: planned you know what I'm saying, He isn't only Champagne.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like warning Andie, like did
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you not hear these tracks?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That's how I That's how I felt.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: But I get what they were saying because they probably
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: were being asked to do that shit. You know what
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, yeah, you know, you guys, make another
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: meet myself and I and you know, you know, hit
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the clubs. You know they like you when you do that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: But which gave them that insight to see it early
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: is like, oh, sohow the money is now?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: The money used to chase the rappers and they chase
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the cool now they were trying to manufacture it and
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: they right. I kind of the more that we sit
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: here and just talk about I can see exactly like.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: What their deal was.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, just an industry getting phony right right, Yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: because for those who don't know, you know, they're veterans
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: at this point.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: They came out in the eighties, you know what I'm saying.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's what some people forget that Daylight been
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: here since the eighties.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But let's let's get into a couple of tracks.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Obviously the themes will continue.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Dope intro stakes is high.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It kind of set the tone for me to you know, like,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: even though it's quick intro slash song, I was like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: they kind of spinning on head this the same Daylight
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: like back in the dance like And when I say that,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I don't mean like capability, Like, no, they're better than
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: they were, you know what I'm saying. When you heard
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the intro song. Also super EMCs, which has some of
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: those themes, what did you think about them tracks?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So first, the one thing that immediately grabbed me and
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I would love for someone to kind of do this again.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure what album they would do it with,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: but that when I first heard Criminal Minded, like I
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: was at a black part, Like I thought they were
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: already telling you, oh, we about to do so like
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it's to you know what I'm saying, it's the madic
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: music with the lights and it's telling you listen, this
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: is where we're going, and then you hear I believe
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the word I would use is aggressive. They were clearly
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: more aggressive, less relaxed than earlier daylist stuff.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: It was like I could get I could see the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: fingers wagon and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna listen.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And you know what, you got a point. I'm tad,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: like I told like I bought in. I bought in.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like I didn't like the other music.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't like that. I didn't dislike the stuff that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they was talking about.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Now, some of that music was precursor to music I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: ended up hating and hate knowing, depending on what it was.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But like, listen, it grabbed me immediately, and I was
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: sitting in front of the class learned or something that
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: summer mm hmm.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And where I don't I don't know if I asked
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you this, but were you were you? Where were you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you in high school? Around?
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: So this is this is this is like I said,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I was in summer school, Climbernie High School. I was
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: at summer school. You know, you couldn't go to your
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: regular high school whatever. But whatever I was, Like I said,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: it was. I didn't have a license at the time,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: but I had a little chick who had a car
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: and vote around all summer and you know what I'm saying,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: and played it in the guy damn car and played
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: it when we got over people's house and all that. Man,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: And that's really And I was a headphone kid. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: was the I was the kid who always had the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the the uh, the CD booklet in the backpack. It
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: was a Jazz Sport brown let, tan bottom black, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you know, the.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Jazz Sport and the headphones was on. You know what
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it was that cheap cost pad that the iPhone.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: One of them died, you know what I'm saying, right right,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, it was so I was a headphone
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: kid and a passenger, uh for the majority of like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: when this was out.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Out, Okay, yeah, because I could I could see that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: as far as like, you know what's being said in
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: these songs in the time in the climate, ah, the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: business now the business feature in common features a lot
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of those hating man lyrics that I was talking about. Uh,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But that wasn't my initial reaction. My initial reaction was like, shit,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I need to go pick this album up. This shit
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: kind of dope, you know what I'm saying. And Common
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: got busy. Daylight obviously obviously got busy. But I think
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: by the time this song came on, like you said,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: how it felt like they were establishing that tone. This
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: was like, no, this, this is a part of what
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: we have to say on this project.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that song? The business crazy?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And the thing is is I can say like I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: ain't never heard nobody, I never heard a song like
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: this because it sounded different.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: There was a different little.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Swing to it, and we all know like Common short
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: of rhyms on beat, but he takes that jont with
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: him kicking and screaming and pulls.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It with him, like oh the deliveries is crazy. It's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: just it's different.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's new because I've listened to Daylight, but that's the
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you know, Daylight's always been sonically like they innovated, you
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It's they didn't chase and its just that the bone.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: But even the way it came on, it was like
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: this is how niggas be talking and all this. I'm like, man,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: this is this is just just great, Like I was
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: excited diffinitely with that joint.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It was different. Man, it was tough.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, when I heard it, I was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: like this, this record is fire, and I felt like
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I was sleeping on a group that I was a
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: fan of, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So obviously eventually I got it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Let's skip a little bit forward because we're going to
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: talk about some of your favorite tracks also.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But one song that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Back then when I first heard it made me smile
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and even listening earlier today, The Breaks or breaks right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: which is you You would never think somebody is going
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to say, remember that curt this blow song, let's do
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a version of it, you know, but after Ever's uh,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: put put it this way? Rock him and then yes,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: yes Salls and co rock the parties was over right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But to pay homage to someone like Curtis blow away
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the Breaks was a big hit for him, but also
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: do it in such a way that came across really
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: dope and almost unique, Like if you didn't know this
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: is a dope Daylight record, what do you think about?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: All breaks? So it speaks to what we were just
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: It's it's sonic innovation, right, It's we don't.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can go out somewhere else
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and get this. And when when you start to realize,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: like you know, hip hop is still super young, so
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: being nostalgic about hip hop in an era where you
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: are having some of.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: The young, hungriest niggas.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Ever, Like there, I don't remember a more shock in
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Festive Water than ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: all the niggas was out, all the old niggas were
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: still trying to do something. Everybody was outside and them
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: waters rough waters, and you know what's super easy to
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: do in rough waters is doggie paddle, keep your standard,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: do what you want to do, be safe, right, But
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: they didn't do that. They were aggressive, like, nah, come on, y'all,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: swarm with us, and we're gonna put y'all on. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: records like that just prove like how not necessarily being
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: ahead of your time, but not being afraid to make
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: music that you haven't heard people do before. And I
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: think that's a super dope example of them.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, doing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly that perfect segue because honestly, like I totally agree
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: with you on all of these episodes.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the climate of nineteen ninety six. Right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you have a debut from jay Z, you have a
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: follow up to Illmatic, you have a try returning, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that ain't Fife.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: You have Jay Diller under the under the you know
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, in the shadows like Batman kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: sonically helping push some of this sound that you're talking about.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And for those.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Watching, the true Shiny Suit ever was really just ninety
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: seven because that's when like once Life After Death dropped,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and then obviously Diddy's album, that's when you got mass
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you got a lot, That's when you got the actual
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Shiny Suits in full force. But it really only lasted
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in ninety seven because ninety eight was you know, DMX
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and all of that. But twice to your point, twice
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to your point in nineteen ninety six, right, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you have all these albums, debutes and comebacks, and you know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: people emerging and stepping it up to a different level,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like the Fouji's with the score and stuff like that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: When you look at Oh and let's not forget TUPAC
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: two platinum albums.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: In one year.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Hit them up, all you old rappers looking like Larry Holmes,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: flabying sick like like you said, shark infested waters, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: everybody seemed to be putting out some of their best work.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: How do you think day Live with this album? Where?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And shout out to Marcus J. Moore, who I know
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: all the beef. Trust me, he's a big fan. If
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you're a fan, the book is worth it. Who I
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: did an interview with about that book, and you know
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: him just kind of capturing day Lives journey, especially musically.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: As a big fan of the.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I like you could see that tribe was the native,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: like the best group to most people.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Became clearly became the most popular.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But they was an off shoot and an off shooter
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: of off shoot when you really think.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: About it, from Jungle Brothers to Day and stuff like that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: How do you think Daylight was able to stand in
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: those shark confested waters when they have a young game
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: in hip hop where people feel like you're old if
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: two years past and all of these new guys that
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: are taken over in new sounds.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I've always been jealous of people who.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Didn't overthink things right, like you know, I often get,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you know, stuck in my head like oh what if
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I do this, I can do this and that, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: it is why I do, you know what I mean,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Like the contract creation side of of of you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: producing podcasts, because I like that part because I can control.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: As much as possible.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: And that's really due to like just the fear of
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the unknown, right, and them niggas were fearless.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They didn't care. They said them, We're gonna do what
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we want. We're gonna make the music we want.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: And we are gonna wave a finger at the niggas
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: that are having success, not because not because we don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: know what success looks like, but because you've got these
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: god dang record executives try to make us them when
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: we already know we're dope. And I think their ability
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to have success previously allowed them just to be brave, like.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: NA, we ain't no suckers. We're gonna make the music
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we won't make, and we're gonna talk.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, And I don't want people to think that's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: what this album is.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: One thing about Daylight Soul that's consistent, whether they want
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: to admit it or not, they've always talked crazy, like the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Majority of their albums.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: You can go back they talk, you can go back
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: in fashion in hip hop and hear them talking about
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: old chains and leather bombers to talking about champagne. So
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they've always stood for something more pure and not materialistic,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: which is to me, is their greatest asset because to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: this day they're so dope. But they are the regular niggas,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you know, you know what I'm saying. They are the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: dudes who may not appear to look like the best
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: rapper and look talking about you rock Masci, but when
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: they step in the cipher, they can make no matter
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: who what type of rapper you are, they can get
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: your attention like, Yo, he's nice, Like you know what
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Whatever, Real quick, let's talk about the title track,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot with the title track, from the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: jazz sample right to j Diller to what Daylight did
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: with it. Man, when you first heard Stakes Is High
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the title track? Man, what was your thoughts about the record?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I I hate to keep saying the same thing, but
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I've never heard something that sounds like this, and.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That's what this was. That day.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: A lot of people talk about that record store day
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: because niggas got went to KMP mill or Maxie Waxy's
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: or wherever you was copying music from and you had
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a choice, right, I chose nas, but sonically Daylight chose me.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Moving forward, So the reason I was a super Mont's
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Head and a super Most and Quai and everything rock
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: is Dead was because of this album. And when I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: heard that song, it just sounded like nothing else, Like
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I remember that summer the right around the same Young
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Lady the Nutty Professor soundtrack. I think it was uh
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: with the with the Foxy in j record, Uh Ain't
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: no is?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: That was that Ain't no Nigga? Yeah?
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed the concept of the record, but that
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: music didn't sound it didn't speak to me. The stuff
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: they lie specifically was doing like stakes is high, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: way the you know, my father's a musician, so you hear.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Instruments and it's samples, but it's done.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe with a higher aptitude for for sonics as far
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: as like musicianship and the way that they sample where
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: you can actually hear the instruments.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's like you just hear.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: It just sounds different, and it just spoke directly to
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: me when I was when I press.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Play, Yeah, another great segue.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I think to your point about jay Z's Ain't No
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Nigga and the subject matter for that song, right, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: it's really I'm going to put it in a way
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: that the lyrics don't write. You're trying to talk to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: a young lady, and you know, you're letting each other
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: know how you feel about one another. But a song
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that's the same concept in a lot of ways through
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I think this was post verse on better listen where
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: he's talking. He's trying to get to this young lady.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: He's not trying to do the traditional mac and style,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: even though his goal and his interests are exactly the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: same as jay Z's. But it happens in a way
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that's real, you know what I'm saying, Because he's she
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: expects him to be like jay Z's character and Ain't
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: No Nigga, and he's a little bit different than that, right,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: even though his goal is exactly the same, the approach
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: is what helps her let her guard down and they
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: get into it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, y'all listen to the song.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: But I don't think back then I was thinking and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: comparing those two in that way.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking, you know, oh, this is a
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: dope record, but it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Was interesting that you brought up that song in particular
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: when there's an example, an alternative to how it can
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: be approached by another cat who just has a different
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: approach than you know, I'm the best nigga, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: give me a number, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's what makes like this kind of series
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: that you're doing really dope, because then it was all feelings, right,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I was feelings and what I like. Now it's feelings
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: in thirty years of perspective, so you can come back
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: and that that makes these these these uh, it makes
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: all this art cool to revisit because now you're like, well, dang,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: now I realize as I've listened to it, why I
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: gravitated towards such and such, And it's it's cool. Man.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna start just digging into a bunch
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: of these records myself because it's I mean, it's a
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: good time to revisit.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's well, we'll talk about that. But one
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: of the things I think I left out for this episode, specifically,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it's where I was around this time, because I think
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: what makes my perspective different is I'm one year out
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of college Morgan State University. I'm still a business major
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: at the Earth Grade School of Business on a business
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: scholarship for marketing, and so you can't tell me shit.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I got a job a Chase mahatt And right near
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the World Trade Center, you know, little little job, little
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: summer job, basically to buy music and get there.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: And so I was absorbing music on a level where I,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you know, part of me feels like damn, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I remember the little jobs I used to do before college.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Now I'm on this path, you know what I'm saying,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But I'm still ahead, and all of this stuff is dropping,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm you with the headphones but obviously a little older.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But I'm on the trains to New York too, with
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: my you know, shirt and tie, and I'm listening to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Nas and Jay and Daylight and all.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: These different people.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: But I remember, that's kind of when I started to
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: like listen to a little differently, a little intently to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: what was being said. And I was definitely more emotional
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: about it because I had a long history with Daylight specifically,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: and at this time, ain't no nigga for me. Was
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: different because it wasn't a song, it was the club.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Hm hmm. So when that was on, who I wasn't
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: looking for no tattoo? Yeah you didn't. You didn't.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: You didn't if you didn't have no game, if you
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: knew the lyrics. It is while you dancing with a chick,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you're already talking to her. You already talking to her.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, y'all know why you dance.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: This is when they used to dance kids. Yeah, we
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: would dance with the women.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Like I don't don't tell too much of that story
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: because if they did deep into those it's a lot
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: of charges we would catch it. You met a woman,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: she was you're back with her. You just started with right, right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I can't tell all them stories.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Right, but yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I think also that played a little bit into the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: climate for me because, like you, when I was on
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: a high school level, I was more like you you
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You know, I got my chance, boy,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: got my music, you know, like I'm ready to roll.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: This was more of me feeling like, oh, I'm a
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: college student now, you know.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Go to HBCU, I'm black business. You know. I was
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: feeling myself. So again, it was a difference.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you look at where you are in your
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: life and you go back to some of this music
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: which takes you back there, you know you have a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: different connection with the music. And I definitely get what
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you're saying, because again shout out to Marcus J. Moore
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: listening the Daylight was him finding his identity also like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: oh I like that other stuff, but this is me,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Like this is me, you know?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: So I agree.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Now, fam, I want to know what is some of
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: your favorite songs off this album top five or whatever?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: But also why so my favorite joint on here?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: It's just because I love, Like you don't have to
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: be able to do something to love doing it right.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: People love to dance. I like to sing, and that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Got thing is a dog eat dog competition. Yeah, Ibby,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I ain't got time, man, listen, but I can't. Every
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: time I listen to this album, I sing that for
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: three days, right, like I gotta wash it out.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. And then.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Big Brother Beat, the MC formally known is most definite
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: not think so.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Amazing voice.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, another very very confident MC, right almost arrogant
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: if you listen to the most most is crazy.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just add dad real quick. That's all that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Man, Listen, I I listened to that and then Stakes
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: is high. Of course, man, you you can't listen to
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Steaks without cutting on Stakes, right, you hold on for
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you cut this off?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Let me. You know what I'm saying.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: It the uh, the the common record, the common record,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: just because m hm. So when you listen to common rap, right,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: it's the like I said, he takes the beat with him,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: kicking and screaming when he raps. But it's so like
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: with anybody as an mc NBA, like it's you. It's
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: fun like you having a good dang time when you
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: listen to dot Com specifically, you know what I'm saying.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Before he had got entangled with that wild woman from Dallas.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like listen, those are the joints off the
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: top of my head though.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: That I love. Mhmm.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm the same on a few obviously.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I love Stakes is High. I just love that record
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: just feels good, like as soon as it's on.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Man, you don't even have to know a word, you know, the.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Whole vibe vibrations States is high, like it it pulls
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: you in like you want to know. Damn, stakes is
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: high for what let me listen, Like you know what
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I really like down Syndrome because when I
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: heard heard that, I was like, man, is this Daylight
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Soul like rapping?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Now? The title I ain't on front? I was like,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: what's this about?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, but the beat and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: how they spitting over that beat. It's again one of
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: those records that told me, oh, Daylight Soul is not
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: going to be one of those eighties rap groups that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: or artists that fade away with time like they've adapted,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and like you said, they kind of laid the foundation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that, So that's a good point.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: They kind of laid the foundation for what we would
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: get with Raucous, you know what I'm saying, which is
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: kind of dope because honestly, even being a fan of
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: most of the guys they might have been talking about,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: we needed that. We needed Raucus to do what they
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: did at the time they did it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: You don't get to manifesto with out stakes is high,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: right exactly, It's so easy.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: When I heard that record, I was like, Yea, this
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Daylight Saw in ninety six, like I like, you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I like to say, yeah, I was just like, this
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: is cool? Is it's I mean, it's everything better listen
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: for the reasons I already mentioned and a late bloomer
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: for me. And I think it's probably more so in
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: recent years because I was so focused on the joints
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I really really liked from this album super MC's because
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I was like, damn, did I
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: miss this?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. You know you heard it,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: But when you hear it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: What different is older is you're kind of like, man,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I kind of slept on this one. I ain't gonna
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: front to it, like I just need to get to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the business record with Common when it was super dope
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: by itself. Also, now, let me let me ask you this.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Hearing this in ninety six at the age you were
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: summer school for whatever reasons, right, host right, and listening
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: to it now in twenty twenty six, do you when
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you run it back, do you get those same feelings
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: about the record and the album and the time or
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: is it a little bit different.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: It's it's man is shitting in the basement and pouring
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: you a glass of brown looking like, yeah, remember that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: time we was over there and we did that thing
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: and it was cool, Like That's that's what it feels like.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: To play these records.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's we get a blast nostalgia now, right,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: which to me makes it you know what I mean.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's like age and the liquor like it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: It tastes better now because god dang it, I the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: music is good, right, but also I got this touch
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: point were ah, man, I remember I was coming down
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Richie Highway and x y Z Elementop and then Big
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Brother Bet came.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: On, right right, Yeah, yeah, I agree, man, Like I
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: think to everything you said about Daylight on Stakes is
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: high and what you think they were trying to do
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: and what they did do, it's more apparent now outside
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: of that climate than anything because the album is aged well,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: so the even if the point wasn't really taken at
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the time by some fans or non fans or whoever
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: it may been, I think in retrospect, if people go
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: back and listen to this album and think about all
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the things we said, what the writer described in Apple
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Music h where Common was at this point in time.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, where most death wasn't yet,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: but what was kind of bubbling under the surface, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: even those that kind of did Niel so before was
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the thing in Jazzy Fat Nasty's appearing on the album, right, there's.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: A there's a lot of.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Elders passing things on, but they not passing it on
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: because they tired.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: They're becoming active, Like I'm going into war with you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: So I think.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Stakes is high as like a pivotal point for Daylight
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and this this one other thing I'm want to ask
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you because I forgot to really touch on it, because
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: what do you what do you feel about what Daylight?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And this is whether you went back you know what
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, or you kind of saw it back then,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: but I know you said you were younger.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: What do you think about Daylight.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: With Prince Paul and without Prince Paul, Like, do you
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: think they're better or do you think they needed Prince
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Paul to get to this point there?
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: We were talking before we got out here and started recording.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: We were talking about pro wrestling. It's a guy named
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Trick Williams.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: New guy who uh, young black dude, you know, good
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: looking dude.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You know he looked like a wrestler, good shot guy.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: When you first see trick like, oh, I get it,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: this is tough, right he did He went and did
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: a run in another company and in a new environment,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: was allowed to do the thing that the goud damn
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: caterpillars do in the cocoon where they come out on
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: the other side.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And the caterpillar part was slick and necessary.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: But when you come out of the cocoon and you
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: turned into what daylight turned into on Stakes is High,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: it became apparent, especially for me, that I love three
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Feet Hind Rising, but this is one of the most
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: important records ever made, like full Stop and so I
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: love threef Youhind Rising, but Stake Size my favorite, one
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: of my favorite albums ever.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with the way you put that,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: because there was a part of me that didn't know
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: but could hear something was different, and I didn't know
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: what that difference was. And obviously, in retrospect, looking back
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and knowing a little bit more about the group and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: their journey, my preference is even though three Feet High
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: is always going to be my favorite because it was
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the first thing that left an impression on me at
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: that time, and at that age, but Daylight Stakes is
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: high forward. It's probably more of my speed because the
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: clouding and the goofy shit worked with me as a kid.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: As a grown man, I'm like, man, what aliens farting?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Like what we talked? What we're doing? Like what is this?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: You know what? And why they are a million skits?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And you know, in a lot of ways, they kind
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: of they kept some of that humor, but they also
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: refined it to focus more on just being MC's and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: hip hop and boom back in their way, like you said,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: in a daylight way as opposed to because they wasn't
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: even that right, Like sure they wasn't gonna be shiny soup,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: but they wasn't your typical boombab either.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: That was the thing, right, is the way they came out,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: the daisy age and all that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: A lot of niggas is like, why song hard? But
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: them nigga's weird.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: That So even as a young young nigga, I kind
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: of understood that part because that was always kind of
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: me too, like this nigga ain't no tough nigga, you
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm not a tough guy. And I liked the.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Way that I was a little kid that liked wrestling
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: in rap music, right, so I understood.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: What that first part of Daylight was.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: But then I also understood the pigeonhole that it put
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: him in.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And they took two albums to fight their way out
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of it, mm hmm.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And then and then we got that Yeah, And I
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: think that's what's so dope about it, because all of
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: it is them just being creative, like whatever the theme is, whatever,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: whatever direction they tried to take. But they wanted people
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to know they were more And I think that was
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: the main thing the labeling.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Daylight didn't want any.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Labels on them, right, they would shun whatever they wasn't about,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: get it off me, like I don't, I'm not that yeah,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: sort of like you know, especially jazz musicians in the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: early days, right, like a lot of them they didn't
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: call it jazz, like they shunned that word jazz. They
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: would call it they were calling everything else like el
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: was like black classical music, you know, or free form
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: or you.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't want the label, but you had people
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: like Miles Davis, you know, and Herbie Hancock who's like
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: watch this, I shout to take all of this and
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: you know, stir it up and create something new on
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: top of it. So shout outs to day I Soul
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Man Steaks is high in nineteen ninety six veterans in
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the game, you know what I'm saying, Like in a
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: hot style environment east versus West, you know what I'm saying.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: The roots also changed at the time, like it was
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: a jumping off point for a lot of groups and
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: artists to make a shift in order to get to
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the future. We now know, right, classics and legends and
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: all that, but a lot of it happened in ninety six,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: and it even happened for Daylight Soul. With this statement, Fam,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for coming on the show
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: helping uh break down this album.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: No no problem, man, break down this album.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Talk about Daylight a little bit, uh Shiny Suit era,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: you know, smart mouth, watch your math when you save
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: the watch it?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Okay? Uh?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man, dope episode tell tell everybody man you
• 58:20
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• 58:24
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• 58:25
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• 58:39
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• 58:56
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• 58:57
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• 59:02
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• 59:55
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• 59:58
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• 1:00:19
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