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One Leg Up With President Abraham Lincoln on Honest Abe's Birthday , Powered by Everyday Lincoln 2-12-25 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the first on one Leg Up with
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Speaker 2: Alex Garrett. I'm interviewing a president of the United States
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Speaker 2: on his birthday. I mean, it looks like Abraham Lincoln,
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Speaker 2: presidently has come back to life through mister Everyday Lincoln.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me today, mister President.
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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to join you, Alex. As you know, well,
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Speaker 1: you're right in d C. And I was there last week, so.
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Speaker 2: I'll be there much. I'm actually reporting live from New
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Speaker 2: York City. And you know, they have your statue outside
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Speaker 2: of the New York Historical Society. So I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you knew that or not, but I did not
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Speaker 2: know that.
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Speaker 1: But I I must admit I get all the credit
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Speaker 1: for having saved the Union. I mean, I like, it's
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Speaker 1: as nice for them to be so kind and and
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Speaker 1: then say hey, we uh we we we we thank
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Speaker 1: you for saving the union. But really there were a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of us that we're saving the Union. But
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Speaker 1: and so there there's statues all over the place, and
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Speaker 1: there there there are often times of me and anyway,
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Speaker 1: I'm honored.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure many people would say if they
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Speaker 2: would have a dinner with somebody, it would be Abraham Lincoln.
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Speaker 2: So have you gotten asked that question or actually gotten
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Speaker 2: invited to have dinner with somebody? As a lifelong dream
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Speaker 2: I have?
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Speaker 1: I have, And so sometimes they'll they'll offer to to
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Speaker 1: to kind of help me get there, pay paye pay
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Speaker 1: my travel. And and since I'm a I'm kind of
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Speaker 1: a fan of people, So for me, it's it's it's fun.
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Speaker 1: I love to go and meet people, love to have
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Speaker 1: dinners with people. It's a blast.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I asked you so many questions. Tell
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Speaker 2: me where you got the nickname honest abe and when
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Speaker 2: you first got it? Were you honored by that name?
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Speaker 1: I was? You know, I'm obviously, to be honest with you,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of of credit for for things
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Speaker 1: that I'm not entirely sure where I mean. I'm a
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Speaker 1: I'm just a regular regular guy, regular man with my
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Speaker 1: my foibles and everything. But one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I that I really how what's the word that I
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Speaker 1: that I I really I prided myself on was was
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Speaker 1: not not not not cheating people and being being honest
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Speaker 1: with people and and and and so that that that
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Speaker 1: sort of there was a man who says something very
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Speaker 1: interesting when when I was running for for for president,
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Speaker 1: he said, ABE is as honest as the daylight, as
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Speaker 1: kind of a unique expression. I really appreciate that. I
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Speaker 1: would like to think that I was I was that honest.
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Speaker 1: But I think the part of what people were we
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Speaker 1: were seeing was that I felt such a what's what's
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Speaker 1: the word of a drive to be honest with my
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Speaker 1: fellow man that I think it did show up in
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Speaker 1: in in the way that the people perceived me.
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Speaker 2: Well in the movies that you were portrayed, and I mean,
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Speaker 2: it looks like you were a really beloved guy dating
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Speaker 2: back to Illinois. So the journey from Illinois to the
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Speaker 2: White House. Care to share about that for us who
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Speaker 2: may not know the story.
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Speaker 1: So, of course I was born in Kentucky and then
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Speaker 1: moved to Indiana and then to to Illinois, and and
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Speaker 1: so so but but I but I ended up having
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Speaker 1: all my family in Illinois, and my I was married
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Speaker 1: in Illinois and met my my wife Mary in Illinois,
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Speaker 1: and so I was there for for years and and
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Speaker 1: so I I gave a little a little wow, it's
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Speaker 1: like a like a thirty second, two minute speech when
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Speaker 1: I was leaving the the depot in Illinois, in Springfield
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Speaker 1: on my way to Washington, d C. After I had
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Speaker 1: won the the the election, and and I said, hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm listen, this is an emotional moment for me.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm leaving this place that I'm not sure that
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Speaker 1: I will ever come back to a place where where
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Speaker 1: where I was married, where where I had my children,
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Speaker 1: and where one of my children is buried. And so
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Speaker 1: that was that was the day, the day that I
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Speaker 1: left of Springfield, and I was there in Springfield, I
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Speaker 1: worked as a as an attorney. I and I and
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Speaker 1: I worked before I became an attorney. It was a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a miracle that I ever became an attorney.
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Speaker 1: You know, I ended up buying a handful of books,
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Speaker 1: and and of course I had always been reading and
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Speaker 1: reading and reading and and and so reading was something
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Speaker 1: that that I could I could do and and and
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Speaker 1: and so after I had been uh, you know, one
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Speaker 1: of the very very first things that I did was
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Speaker 1: was by a store which promptly went broke and left
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Speaker 1: me saddled with them with debts that that I was
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Speaker 1: still getting collections on. When I was elected as President
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Speaker 1: of the United States, I owed money from that, and
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Speaker 1: and and I think it's possible that that some people
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Speaker 1: would have said, hey, I'm not gonna you know that
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Speaker 1: was that was not my fault. I'm not gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna. I'm gonna honor that that that debt, and
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Speaker 1: but I couldn't get myself to do that, and so
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Speaker 1: I ended up paying that that debt off for a
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Speaker 1: long time. But anyway, so so that was as that
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Speaker 1: that was my first foray into business was as a
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Speaker 1: as a store owner. And after that then then I'd
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Speaker 1: always done physical labor. But but then then I got
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Speaker 1: into surveying and and my work as a surveyor was
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Speaker 1: actually pretty good. I was because I was good at
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Speaker 1: math and because I was concepts and ideas where we're
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Speaker 1: pretty good to form easy for me. Those two things
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Speaker 1: were kind of came together in surveying. And even today
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Speaker 1: there are people who, I mean, the work that I
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Speaker 1: did is still sitting there in Illinois where where I
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Speaker 1: surveyed pieces of land. And by the way.
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Speaker 2: We're with every day Lincoln, and I got to ask
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Speaker 2: you this, You are an everyday man when you were
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Speaker 2: running for president, when you were in politics already, So
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Speaker 2: is that why you were able to be so popular
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Speaker 2: and you elected because you were that everyday person. And
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Speaker 2: would you say in that time, every day people got
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Speaker 2: elected president, where today it seemed like celebrity and you know,
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Speaker 2: whatever establishment politics get you in. Back in the day,
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Speaker 2: it was every day the every man, right that got elected.
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Speaker 1: What a what a delightful question, Alex. You know that's
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Speaker 1: you could say that that America is an everyday person's
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Speaker 1: country and and theoretically, and you're right, it's not exactly
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Speaker 1: that way today. I mean, I'm back from eighteen sixty
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Speaker 1: five and I'm looking around, and you know, most of
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Speaker 1: the people that are that are in uh politics have
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Speaker 1: been in for a long time and and they they
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Speaker 1: they've they've acquired a lot of a lot of wealth
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Speaker 1: while they've been in in office. And so it's it's
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Speaker 1: not exactly I mean, like you say, it's not exactly
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Speaker 1: an everyday man's world anymore to to get elected into
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Speaker 1: into office. But but it's but it's not impossible. Every
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Speaker 1: day people still do get elected to office, and and
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Speaker 1: and people who are every day people who who rise
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Speaker 1: up to the ranks and and and acquire enough money
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Speaker 1: to run for office. Because it's in order to run
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Speaker 1: for office. Obviously it takes a ton of money. But
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Speaker 1: even if you get enough money so that you can
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Speaker 1: buy them the advertising, et cetera, you still have to
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Speaker 1: be able to undertake the whole thing, to manage that
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Speaker 1: that project on your own, on your own time. So
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Speaker 1: you have to have gotten free to a certain degree.
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Speaker 1: And but but in theory and everyday man can get
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Speaker 1: himself financially free and run for office. And so I
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Speaker 1: think that's a delightful thing.
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Speaker 2: All right, let me ask you this. You were the
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Speaker 2: spearhead of the reconstruction era. But I feel like you
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Speaker 2: didn't see it right. It was your time was cut short.
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Speaker 2: If that day when you were a testiny did not happen,
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Speaker 2: how would the country be now? I mean, it feels
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Speaker 2: like I had to say you're a testiny to change,
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Speaker 2: of course the country.
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Speaker 1: But it did, it did, it did. But let me
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Speaker 1: just throw this out, Uh, the when I was when? When? When?
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Speaker 1: When the end of the war was coming? So we're talking,
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Speaker 1: you know, the the the thirteenth Amendment has has been passed,
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Speaker 1: and and most people knew that it was it was,
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Speaker 1: it was over, And even the South was like, all right,
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's almost over. But because I I
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Speaker 1: really felt like it was going to be a lot
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Speaker 1: easier to h to be forgiving to the South than
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Speaker 1: it was than it was going to be to have
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Speaker 1: a roving bands of angry men running around shooting people.
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Speaker 1: I called it the bloody work and when and my
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Speaker 1: hope was that the the the armies would go home
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Speaker 1: to their shops and their farms and their families. And
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Speaker 1: the only way to do that was to forego the
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Speaker 1: revenge that the the the the Northerners wanted. So many
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Speaker 1: of the men in them in and in my cabinet
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Speaker 1: and prominent Orthern men were like, hey, hey, we we
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Speaker 1: need a little more. You know, this Lincoln guy's a
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Speaker 1: little too soft hearted, a little too tender hearted. That's
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Speaker 1: that's not what this this but this calls for. Now
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Speaker 1: now we need to we need to get a little
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Speaker 1: more serious.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you mentioned that, because because you were
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Speaker 2: known as the good guy, you were known as you know,
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Speaker 2: you could get along with everybody. So how did you
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Speaker 2: engineer abolition of slavery? Because there were obviously a lot
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Speaker 2: of opponents to that, and I guess the North was saying, well,
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Speaker 2: you're too soft on it. So how did you navigate
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Speaker 2: all that?
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Speaker 1: So so, so I'm even though I'm not painted as
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Speaker 1: a as a believer, I always really was. And there
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Speaker 1: was a time in my twenties when I was kind
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Speaker 1: of like really thinking about and I would argue with
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Speaker 1: Joshua Speed about whether there's a god or not. But
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Speaker 1: but in particular as the years went by, I just
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Speaker 1: I would just just be I couldn't help but operate
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Speaker 1: from the perspective that there was a God and and
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Speaker 1: and so let me let me just say this that
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Speaker 1: I think that that God who created America and who
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Speaker 1: did the miracles for Washington, you know, to me, for
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Speaker 1: bullet for Washington to have holes, bullet holes through his
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Speaker 1: clothes but not through his body, was one of the
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Speaker 1: many miracles of the creation of America. And and so
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Speaker 1: so so to go back, I'm going back to your
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Speaker 1: question now, so stay with me. So you were you
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Speaker 1: were saying, hey, how did you get this this thirteenth
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Speaker 1: Amendment passed when there were so many people that were
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Speaker 1: opponents to it, and and so so really all the
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Speaker 1: South was was had a desire to to keep the
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Speaker 1: the institution of slavery intact, and and the and the North,
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Speaker 1: they they they were not really in favor of freeing blacks,
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Speaker 1: and and and so it was this is just just
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Speaker 1: like you were saying a moment ago, there was a
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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of resistance to this, to to to I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, the South was not in favor of the blacks.
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Speaker 1: The North was already the North was not really in
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Speaker 1: favor of of of I mean, they're they're there. That's
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Speaker 1: not exactly accurate, because the abolitionists, you know, the radicals
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Speaker 1: as they were called, they they were in favor of it.
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Speaker 1: But but they were in the I think they were
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Speaker 1: the minority in in in in the United States, and
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Speaker 1: so there were other people who were like, I don't
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Speaker 1: think the slavery is a very good thing. So they
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Speaker 1: were there. They had different degrees of people who were
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Speaker 1: willing to let go of it. But there were people
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the North that were the
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Speaker 1: own slaves. You know. The Supreme Court uh uh, Chief
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Speaker 1: Justice Roger Tainey, the guy you know with the dread
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Speaker 1: Scott and decision, he was a slave owner. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and that is and that's that's that's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a picture of what was happening all across America
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Speaker 1: is you got you got people who were in this
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Speaker 1: war with themselves to try and let go of slavery.
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Speaker 1: And it was like Heaven was was was pulling the
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Speaker 1: slavery rug out from underneath America and we were we
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Speaker 1: were pulled into the freedom of the of the black man,
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Speaker 1: kicking and screaming. You know, while we were we were
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Speaker 1: at war.
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Speaker 2: Against like you were you personally, do you feel like
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Speaker 2: you were guided by God? I know you said you
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Speaker 2: weren't really believe, but you you were. So do you
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Speaker 2: feel like God engineered you know, only through the war,
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Speaker 2: civil war, but also getting the thirteen level? Was He
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Speaker 2: on your side with all of this?
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Speaker 1: So? So I think so? I think. So let me
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Speaker 1: say that if if if the South hadn't been so effective,
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a lot more manpower, had a
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Speaker 1: lot more uh. We we were the country that was
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Speaker 1: recognized by the rest of the world, and so we
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Speaker 1: were able to blockade the North. And so they they
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Speaker 1: didn't have they didn't have the assets that that they
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Speaker 1: needed to really run a war against us. But we
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Speaker 1: still could beat him. And if if, if, if, if
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Speaker 1: the South had not lost Jackson and the North didn't
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Speaker 1: kill Jackson. It's almost symbolic that he was killed by
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Speaker 1: his own, his own soldiers. It was like like God saying,
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Speaker 1: I'm taking him. He's, he's, he's, he's. He's done my
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Speaker 1: work of making this job hard enough long enough. Now
14:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys a little bit
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Speaker 1: of help. And and that came along after a fast
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Speaker 1: like two days after the North had the fast of
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Speaker 1: humiliation and and and prayer and and and then was
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Speaker 1: it Fredericksberg And you know that that battle and then
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Speaker 1: his he was it was a knight raid that he
14:39
Speaker 1: was running and and his and because he was doing
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Speaker 1: going so many places so fast, he but his own
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Speaker 1: men didn't know who he was and ended up killing him.
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Speaker 1: Actually they He was shot a few times and lost
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Speaker 1: an arm, and he got pneumonia and then he and
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Speaker 1: then he died his his I hope I can hope
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Speaker 1: I can say this without getting emotional. But but his
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Speaker 1: his wife came to him when he was just just
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Speaker 1: about to die, and he and he but he couldn't
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Speaker 1: let go. And she said, hey, John, I think of
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Speaker 1: John Thomas Jackson. Did I get that right? Anyway? She said,
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Speaker 1: if it was God's will for you to for him
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Speaker 1: to take you home. Would you be okay with that?
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Speaker 1: He said, I would prefer that. And and then a
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Speaker 1: little after that, I think it was just right while
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Speaker 1: she was there. Then then he he transferred across the
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Speaker 1: Great River anyway. So so, but but he was a
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Speaker 1: super godly man.
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Speaker 2: He was.
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Speaker 1: He was a powerful, terrible warrior. But but everything he did,
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Speaker 1: was was was done was enormous prayer. And and his
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Speaker 1: regiments learned how to to pray. He created these these
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Speaker 1: these these soldiers that were praying men. Thereafter during the
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Speaker 1: Civil War there were I think it was nine times.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't quote on that, but but the number
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Speaker 1: of Bibles that were purchased during the Civil War went
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Speaker 1: through the roof by both the North and the South,
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Speaker 1: both both of them, in my opinion, both of them
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Speaker 1: were were were employed by God in order to bring
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Speaker 1: about the the freedom of the of the black man
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Speaker 1: and to to create a what's the wording a climate
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Speaker 1: of freedom in America because the the blacks were the
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Speaker 1: most mistreated, I would have to say, but but but that,
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Speaker 1: but anybody who wasn't popular amongst but their fellow men,
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Speaker 1: they they they were they were, they were in jeopardy,
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Speaker 1: and and the states could could claim, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: states rights with the federal government cannot force us to
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Speaker 1: honor the Constitution. And there were people who were in
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Speaker 1: the South who said that the Decoration of Independence, which
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Speaker 1: said that all men are created equal, was was a lie.
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Speaker 1: So that there we've America was in fact, I believed,
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Speaker 1: and I said that within within ten years, Illinois will
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Speaker 1: be a slave state. So not only there are those
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Speaker 1: who who still today say that the war, the Civil
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Speaker 1: War was fought over the the expansion of slavery. And
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Speaker 1: when I got it, when I was elected, what I
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Speaker 1: said was, hey, you can keep slavery, you can keep
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Speaker 1: it going. You're okay with that right where it exists,
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Speaker 1: but nowhere else. And of course they were. They were
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Speaker 1: expanding the territories. They were expanding over into into Haiti
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Speaker 1: and and and then down into South America. Slavery was
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Speaker 1: was not on its way out. Many people still today say, oh, there,
17:47
Speaker 1: you know, other countries got rid of slavery. You needed
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Speaker 1: to get rid of slavery. Usuld have just waited, slavery
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Speaker 1: would have gone away. But it didn't look like that
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Speaker 1: to me. It looked like it was going just the office.
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Speaker 1: And from the time that America was at this institution,
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Speaker 1: we had about a million slaves, and at the time
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Speaker 1: of this of the Civil War, there was about four
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Speaker 1: million slaves. So in my opinion, it was increasing, not decreasing.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I won't like what you said. So President Lincoln,
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Speaker 2: you were okay with slavery, or had refine that with
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Speaker 2: me a little bit.
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Speaker 1: So so I was never okay with slavery. In fact,
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Speaker 1: long long ago, I said, if I ever get a
18:24
Speaker 1: chance to hit this, I will hit it hard. But
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Speaker 1: I when I when the first time that I ever
18:30
Speaker 1: saw uh these people being sold as as animals, I
18:36
Speaker 1: was just like, wow, that that that can't be right.
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Speaker 1: And I said one time, I don't know when I
18:41
Speaker 1: didn't believe slavery was wrong. And but but I did
18:46
Speaker 1: not believe initially, I didn't believe there was a way
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Speaker 1: to save slavery, I mean, save America, save the constitution
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Speaker 1: without leaving slavery in those little countries, the little states
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Speaker 1: where it was in the South, where where were it
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Speaker 1: already existed. I believed, and I think the South believed
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Speaker 1: this too, that when the rest of America, UH became Uh,
19:15
Speaker 1: states that did not have slavery, that that that that
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Speaker 1: it would it would it would force slavery out. They
19:21
Speaker 1: would they wouldn't have the kind of representation that they
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Speaker 1: had because they they had they they had an un Uh,
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Speaker 1: they had more representation because of the blacks than then
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Speaker 1: they then they really should have had. So many of
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Speaker 1: the presidents came from there. You know, Buchanan right before me,
19:39
Speaker 1: he was he was a southern boy. And and and
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Speaker 1: and and and they they were they they they they
19:45
Speaker 1: were expanding. It was like it was like we couldn't
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Speaker 1: we couldn't stop them. But if we hadn't had all
19:50
Speaker 1: the rest of the United States as a non slave states,
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Speaker 1: then then I think that that slavery would have been
19:58
Speaker 1: would have been squeezed out. But even it had, at
20:01
Speaker 1: least the other states would have been free states. And
20:04
Speaker 1: so I really tackled this, this idea of becoming president
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Speaker 1: and what to do about slavery from the perspective of, hey,
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna we're just gonna make sure that slavery
20:15
Speaker 1: does not increase, But.
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Speaker 2: Then you end up ending it, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 2: makes you feel really good.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, it's interesting, I said, Hey, they're not, They're
20:23
Speaker 1: not going to go to war if if, if they
20:25
Speaker 1: go to war, war these are my words. I said,
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Speaker 1: war will be the overthrow of slavery.
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Speaker 2: I knew I was.
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Speaker 1: I just felt it in my bones. And interestingly, if.
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Speaker 2: You have friends or anybody on both sides, I mean,
20:39
Speaker 2: what was your connection to the to the soldiers that
20:41
Speaker 2: fought the soldiers on the Norman soldiers and did you,
20:47
Speaker 2: I mean on both sides. Did you have connections on
20:49
Speaker 2: both sides or what were you mainly friends of the
20:52
Speaker 2: Northern soldiers?
20:53
Speaker 1: Actually I did. That's an interesting question, Alex, because you
20:56
Speaker 1: think about it. You know, Kentucky was was was a
21:00
Speaker 1: slave state, and I'm sure there were slaves in Indiana,
21:05
Speaker 1: and Illinois was was a Democrat state, which was and
21:14
Speaker 1: that the Democrats were the ones who were that were
21:16
Speaker 1: really in favor of slavery. So I all, all, all
21:21
Speaker 1: three of those states left me well connected to them,
21:24
Speaker 1: to this the slavery world. And my my my wife,
21:27
Speaker 1: you know, she had a fellow, I mean, she she
21:33
Speaker 1: had family members the thought for the Confederacy in the infancy,
21:37
Speaker 1: and in fact, there were people who said she is
21:40
Speaker 1: going to make him recall the uh the Emancipation Proclamation,
21:48
Speaker 1: they thought, and in fact, on the day January the first,
21:51
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, when when when they knew that I
21:54
Speaker 1: had promised that that the Emancipation Proclamation would become universal,
21:57
Speaker 1: that I would sign it, that they thought, she's gonna
22:01
Speaker 1: make him not sign it.
22:03
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, let me let me ask you this because
22:06
Speaker 2: I know this. This is fascinating. We're gonna break the
22:08
Speaker 2: fourth wall in a minute, because we have found Abraham
22:12
Speaker 2: Lincoln in a time capsule. He wakes up now in
22:14
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And from what I've seen on your Instagram, yes,
22:18
Speaker 2: President ab Lincoln has an Instagram. When I was gonna
22:21
Speaker 2: say that you have an Instagram, it seems like you're
22:23
Speaker 2: happy with who got elected in November. We'll start, we'll
22:26
Speaker 2: go there. But also are you happy with the general
22:29
Speaker 2: direction of the country, meaning when you you had unfinished business?
22:34
Speaker 2: Obviously you were assassinated, but at that moment you felt
22:38
Speaker 2: like you could take this country further. But you wake
22:41
Speaker 2: up out of this time capsule, and are you happy
22:44
Speaker 2: where the country has gone since you were present?
22:49
Speaker 1: I am, actually, I mean some people would say, oh,
22:53
Speaker 1: this is there's all kinds of chaos there's all kinds
22:56
Speaker 1: of problems, but in my opinion, that's that's part of
23:00
Speaker 1: part of life. Problems are are always gonna be. But
23:05
Speaker 1: but I I'm I'm a bit inclined to think that
23:08
Speaker 1: there's some really good things happening. I'm excited to see that.
23:11
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I really like is
23:14
Speaker 1: is that America is still a republic, and it's it's
23:22
Speaker 1: we've we've had lots and lots of of problems, lots
23:25
Speaker 1: and lots of bores and and and yet I'm I'm
23:31
Speaker 1: ecstatic with with what I see. I'm I'm i am
23:34
Speaker 1: happy to see it still in existence.
23:36
Speaker 2: And on your birthday, you are in the news because
23:39
Speaker 2: President Trump wants to stop making the penny, which bears
23:43
Speaker 2: your likeness. So what's that mean to you? I mean,
23:45
Speaker 2: is it? It may not be an insult to you
23:47
Speaker 2: because you want to see the economy prosper, but they're
23:49
Speaker 2: getting rid of the penny, they're getting rid of you,
23:52
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln.
23:54
Speaker 1: That's a that's another fun question, Alex. Thank you for
23:56
Speaker 1: bringing that up. The monarchies were the ones that like
24:02
Speaker 1: to put their their pictures on on their on their money,
24:06
Speaker 1: and I I'm not sure that I would have put
24:10
Speaker 1: my picture. I'm not sure that Washington would have would
24:13
Speaker 1: have want his picture on on the money. And I
24:16
Speaker 1: don't suppose to say anything all that harmful. But anyway,
24:21
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not I'm not too sad about this. Is
24:25
Speaker 1: my my my picture on the penny.
24:27
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see how that translates and if it actually
24:30
Speaker 2: goes through. I gotta ask you this first of all,
24:34
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, I'm going to break their fourth
24:35
Speaker 2: Warrior because people may be wondering, well I'm talking to
24:38
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Brian Jenkins. You are every day Lincoln,
24:41
Speaker 2: and Brian, I'm so glad that you're joining me. Why
24:44
Speaker 2: do this? I mean, you look just like Abraham Lincoln?
24:47
Speaker 2: Why continue his legacy? What does it mean to you
24:49
Speaker 2: to do this? To keep doing Abraham Lincoln and keep
24:53
Speaker 2: his legacy alive through you.
24:56
Speaker 1: So so back maybe maybe nine years ago, when I
25:02
Speaker 1: I was uh signing petition. Uh well, we were getting
25:08
Speaker 1: signatures for a petition, and nobody was interested in in
25:13
Speaker 1: in listening to the to the importance of the petition.
25:16
Speaker 1: And it was it was our attempt at that time,
25:19
Speaker 1: and just in one little area, to to limit them
25:21
Speaker 1: the power of government, and people were like, oh, I'm busy,
25:26
Speaker 1: and and so I thought, hey, what if I what
25:28
Speaker 1: if I painted on a beard and people were like, you,
25:32
Speaker 1: you look exactly like like like Lincoln. And and so
25:36
Speaker 1: then I started doing Lincoln presentations and I would wear
25:40
Speaker 1: the hat and everything, and and I.
25:45
Speaker 2: Was looking for the hat, Brian, I'm looking for it.
25:48
Speaker 1: Right right, And and so I the the information that
25:55
Speaker 1: I had run into in regards to Lincoln was was
25:59
Speaker 1: Southern narrative. So even even today, not just Southern but
26:04
Speaker 1: but the Northerners, many many, many people in the North
26:07
Speaker 1: were not that happy with Lincoln. And but but but
26:11
Speaker 1: but somebody said, you know, you know, if if you're
26:14
Speaker 1: going to do Lincoln presentation, maybe I'll do read a
26:16
Speaker 1: few more books on on Lincoln. I hadn't read any
26:19
Speaker 1: books at that time. And then so I thought Lincoln
26:22
Speaker 1: was the president of Northern aggression, that he was the
26:24
Speaker 1: president of the Institute of the Income Tax and and Institute
26:27
Speaker 1: of the Draft and and suspended habeas corpus and and
26:33
Speaker 1: then enthroned corporatism and and and I was I was like,
26:38
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that Lincoln's all that good
26:39
Speaker 1: of a guy, and and and and they and that
26:43
Speaker 1: that he wasn't really Christian, and he didn't really like
26:45
Speaker 1: the Blacks because while he was threading the needle and
26:48
Speaker 1: trying to help them bring people who were who who
26:53
Speaker 1: were pro slavery into the Union, he he it wasn't
26:58
Speaker 1: it wasn't in the cards for him to say, hey,
27:00
Speaker 1: you you, you, you pro slavery people, you all are bad.
27:04
Speaker 1: We're gonna come and we're gonna go to war with you.
27:06
Speaker 1: Because if if he would have done that, then then
27:09
Speaker 1: then he would have lost Kentucky. And if he'd lost Kentucky,
27:12
Speaker 1: then he'd have lost he when he said, he says,
27:15
Speaker 1: if we lose Kentucky, then we we may lose Tennessee.
27:18
Speaker 1: And if he lose Kentucky and Tennessee, there's a good
27:20
Speaker 1: chance we'll lose Maryland. And if we lose those three,
27:23
Speaker 1: he says, the job is too large for us. He
27:28
Speaker 1: didn't think we could win. So he he had to
27:31
Speaker 1: to gently hold these these these these border states, and
27:37
Speaker 1: not his border states, but people throughout the United States
27:40
Speaker 1: who were barely on his side, who were who were
27:43
Speaker 1: who were willing to to to to to fight for
27:46
Speaker 1: the Union, but not for the black man. He had
27:49
Speaker 1: to keep them together long enough for them to start
27:52
Speaker 1: to uh to say, I think I do want the
27:54
Speaker 1: blacks to become free. And when the and when the
27:56
Speaker 1: blacks started to get into the military started to fight
27:59
Speaker 1: for their freedom, it became almost impossible for people to say, Okay,
28:03
Speaker 1: the black man's been fighting for them, for the Union,
28:06
Speaker 1: fighting for for America. Now we're gonna put it back
28:09
Speaker 1: in his change. That that that just that just was
28:11
Speaker 1: just became unreasonable in many, many people's minds. And so
28:15
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was Walt Whitman who said
28:18
Speaker 1: these magical words. He said, six months ago, Americans were
28:23
Speaker 1: not ready for the Emancipation Proclamation. But now their their
28:27
Speaker 1: eyes are washed clear by the blood of the fallen.
28:31
Speaker 1: Isn't that an interesting thing? So America began to make
28:34
Speaker 1: this this this shift from we're gonna save the Union
28:37
Speaker 1: to we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna save
28:40
Speaker 1: the black man and the Union.
28:42
Speaker 2: Let me ask you that, and that that's really powerful,
28:45
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, this abolition doesn't happen. We're
28:50
Speaker 2: not looking at almost the two hundred of the year
28:52
Speaker 2: of America. I mean, you probably put us on that
28:54
Speaker 2: course because next year is two hundred and fifty years
28:57
Speaker 2: of America. You played a part in that, President Lincoln.
29:03
Speaker 1: That that's interesting. So so then let me ask let me,
29:07
Speaker 1: let me askwer well people asked me they were they
29:12
Speaker 1: would say, hey, who was Who's a greater UH president
29:15
Speaker 1: or a greater man? Lincoln? Or or Washington? And and
29:17
Speaker 1: and I would certainly say Washington. I meann, Washington, what
29:22
Speaker 1: a godly man. I can't already make much of a
29:25
Speaker 1: claim to being.
29:26
Speaker 2: A guard inspire you to run? I feel like the
29:28
Speaker 2: Founding Fathers inspired you and many others to run for president?
29:31
Speaker 2: Am I right?
29:32
Speaker 1: That is correct? And and many many of us saw
29:36
Speaker 1: how how how these men rose up. They they they
29:40
Speaker 1: rose up to the the challenge of the day and
29:44
Speaker 1: and and fulfilled them their their their duties with with
29:47
Speaker 1: such courage and with such faith. And that was that
29:52
Speaker 1: was so inspiring to to me and and to many
29:55
Speaker 1: of us. And and so I mean, my, my, my,
29:58
Speaker 1: my upbringing was was so rough that really getting connected
30:05
Speaker 1: to UH, to to God was was was not that
30:08
Speaker 1: easy for me. And I didn't feel like I really
30:13
Speaker 1: became a h a real that I really loved Jesus
30:20
Speaker 1: clear until eighteen sixty three. Horace Greeley, Uh, the newspaper editor,
30:27
Speaker 1: He said, are you a Christian? And I said, you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: when my son died, I wasn't a Christian. When the
30:32
Speaker 1: war began, I wasn't a Christian. But when I but
30:34
Speaker 1: but when when I but when Gettysburg happened, I became
30:38
Speaker 1: a Christian. And I said, I love Jesus and uh,
30:44
Speaker 1: but but this this this, so I consider.
30:47
Speaker 2: Myself a little bit into your We're going to get
30:49
Speaker 2: to your address, by the way, because I want you
30:50
Speaker 2: to recite that in a minute. But before we get
30:53
Speaker 2: to that, you know, because you followed an ELI time
30:59
Speaker 2: capsule through Brian Jenkson. Jenkins, you know there was an
31:03
Speaker 2: assassination against of President JFK. And they're releasing the files,
31:09
Speaker 2: and you know about the assassination attempts against President Trump.
31:14
Speaker 2: So are there any files that maybe we should know
31:16
Speaker 2: about the Lincoln assassination that that maybe people don't know.
31:19
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not just a situation with Wilke Smooth. Is
31:22
Speaker 2: there is there something there?
31:24
Speaker 1: Uh? Each when I when I when I came in
31:28
Speaker 1: from uh Springfield, Illinois to Washington, d C. The pincratons
31:37
Speaker 1: came to me, they said, Hey, there's a there's a
31:39
Speaker 1: plot against your life in and now in in in
31:43
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. So we're going to change the route. Have
31:47
Speaker 1: you go not to Baltimore and and so so we did.
31:51
Speaker 1: We went another way. And and so those who who
31:54
Speaker 1: I suppose were hoping that I would indeed get assassinated
31:58
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, they said, look at look at Look what
32:01
Speaker 1: a coward he is. He's he's he's he's running from
32:04
Speaker 1: uh from he's acting like he's afraid of getting as assassinated.
32:08
Speaker 1: And I suppose I had reason to worry about them
32:11
Speaker 1: being assassinated is as certainly it bore out. But but
32:16
Speaker 1: each year, well every single time there was a new
32:20
Speaker 1: assassination plot uncovered, it was filed into a cab into
32:25
Speaker 1: a filing cabinet. And by the time that that my
32:30
Speaker 1: time was up, there were eighty of these assassination attempts
32:35
Speaker 1: that we're all in this, in this list, so in
32:38
Speaker 1: this file. So to me, it's not a surprise. I
32:42
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how come people are so resistant to
32:47
Speaker 1: the idea that there's a hidden hand at work. It's
32:50
Speaker 1: it's always much more effective to work as a as
32:53
Speaker 1: a as a hidden hand, and a spy isn't much
32:56
Speaker 1: more dangerous adversary than than than a man on the
32:59
Speaker 1: front lines holding holding his gun. A spy can do,
33:03
Speaker 1: can do things that that an infantry man with a
33:06
Speaker 1: gun can't do. And so spies when when when you
33:10
Speaker 1: when they capture a spy, they don't, they don't don't
33:13
Speaker 1: hold as a p ol w he's he's he's executed.
33:16
Speaker 1: And because they are, they are deadly. And it's in
33:21
Speaker 1: a similar vein the hidden hand. It doesn't declare itself.
33:26
Speaker 1: It doesn't go and hold a gun, you know, and
33:28
Speaker 1: and join them, join the formal military. The hidden hand
33:34
Speaker 1: is working and and it declares one thing, but then
33:38
Speaker 1: it does another, and it's a it's a it's a
33:41
Speaker 1: much more effective tool in the in the hands of
33:44
Speaker 1: those who are in pursuit of of a particular avenue.
33:49
Speaker 1: You don't tend to see in in my in my opinion,
33:52
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't tend to see that that type
33:55
Speaker 1: of of of a procedure amongst the point what I
33:59
Speaker 1: might call all the the standard. You know that the
34:02
Speaker 1: people that are up front, that the pillars of the
34:05
Speaker 1: community that maybe God, God, God tends to work more upfront,
34:12
Speaker 1: whereas the dark side tends to work a little bit
34:16
Speaker 1: with this nefarious.
34:17
Speaker 2: Say one thing, are there any journals that document what
34:21
Speaker 2: you would have done if you had continued to live
34:23
Speaker 2: and were not assassinated, both as president and then afterlife, like,
34:26
Speaker 2: do you have as did you have more aspirations beyond
34:29
Speaker 2: just freeing the slaves? What was next?
34:32
Speaker 1: That? That's a that's an interesting question because it was
34:37
Speaker 1: it was my hope, of course, that that my that
34:41
Speaker 1: that that my my sothern brothers and sisters would would
34:45
Speaker 1: would would would become what would get their their rights
34:47
Speaker 1: back much more quickly, that they would that that that
34:53
Speaker 1: they would have their their legislatures and that they would
34:58
Speaker 1: be become become stable much more rapidly than they did.
35:02
Speaker 1: And I believe that if that had happened. And but
35:05
Speaker 1: by the way, because of what Grant and and the
35:09
Speaker 1: other generals did, that that my my idea, my hopes,
35:15
Speaker 1: my dreams for reconstruction were actually started. They they they
35:19
Speaker 1: they got underway, and uh, the people that were really
35:25
Speaker 1: opposed to reconstruction, who really were fighting against it, they
35:30
Speaker 1: they you know, they they ranged for my demise and
35:33
Speaker 1: there were some other elements as well, the the money
35:37
Speaker 1: that you know, the during my During my time, America
35:44
Speaker 1: returned to a more of a constitutional type of money
35:48
Speaker 1: because we we were no longer having a private entity
35:54
Speaker 1: provide us with with with money. We we were we
35:58
Speaker 1: were printing our own money, and people like, you can't
36:00
Speaker 1: do that, that's you. You're gonna you're gonna de botch
36:02
Speaker 1: the money. But but it was. It turned out to
36:05
Speaker 1: be very very effective. And the only difference between us
36:09
Speaker 1: printing our own money money and getting it from somebody
36:12
Speaker 1: else who prints their own money is that whoever prints
36:16
Speaker 1: it gets the value of it. And so Americans get
36:20
Speaker 1: that that money we print it because it's it's us
36:24
Speaker 1: printing it.
36:24
Speaker 2: It's it's our our with this knowledge, you must be
36:28
Speaker 2: really ticked that we keep printing money like it's nothing.
36:31
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you're all alagitated having come to
36:33
Speaker 2: the time captain and see how much we're spending here, right.
36:36
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the thing that I would I do
36:39
Speaker 1: wish that was different, because I'm having having so so
36:44
Speaker 1: when we don't really you you know, Americans don't really
36:47
Speaker 1: know who is getting the value of the creation of
36:52
Speaker 1: all this money, because all this money is created and
36:55
Speaker 1: then it's and then it goes into the treasury, and
36:57
Speaker 1: then it goes into the in the hands of the
36:59
Speaker 1: American Uh. I mean that that goes into the hands
37:02
Speaker 1: of the you know, we' it's spent, it's used the government,
37:06
Speaker 1: The government uses it. But the but the but but
37:09
Speaker 1: the creator of that money is no longer us. And
37:12
Speaker 1: so when when the trillion dollars is created by by us,
37:15
Speaker 1: then we become the owner of that that trillion dollars.
37:18
Speaker 1: I mean, you can debox that money, and that's that's
37:21
Speaker 1: an injury. But but more injurious than that is to
37:25
Speaker 1: have these these private entities that we don't know who
37:28
Speaker 1: they are, become the recipients of the creation of this
37:33
Speaker 1: billion or trillion dollars.
37:36
Speaker 2: All right, I want to ask you this. We're I
37:38
Speaker 2: want to have you back on for President Day because
37:40
Speaker 2: we're going to inintk more about your connection with Washington
37:42
Speaker 2: and why the Linky memorial is there. I want to
37:45
Speaker 2: get into that more. But on your birthday and on
37:48
Speaker 2: President Lincoln's birthday, let me say, can you recite the
37:51
Speaker 2: Gettysburg Address even just a few first few verses as
37:55
Speaker 2: if President Lincoln was telling us it again in twenty
37:58
Speaker 2: twenty five.
38:00
Speaker 1: So obviously the delightful thing, the thing that I really
38:05
Speaker 1: really wanted to convey many and many of those things
38:08
Speaker 1: still apply to America today. But you know, I was,
38:12
Speaker 1: I was saying, hey, uh, you know, for for fos
38:15
Speaker 1: going seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this
38:19
Speaker 1: continent a new nation conceived in liberty and and and
38:23
Speaker 1: and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal,
38:29
Speaker 1: and and so I really did hope that that this
38:33
Speaker 1: freedom would would remain. And then I said, now we
38:38
Speaker 1: are engaged in a great civil war test and whether
38:40
Speaker 1: that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated,
38:44
Speaker 1: can long and do it, and and and so it
38:48
Speaker 1: I have to argue that that that America was was
38:51
Speaker 1: was much closer to its demise than people had any idea,
38:55
Speaker 1: uh we were going to long and do it. I mean,
38:57
Speaker 1: uh uh uh. New York City, not the state. New
39:01
Speaker 1: York City has said we're going to become our own country,
39:04
Speaker 1: not our own city. We're not going to join with
39:07
Speaker 1: the South. We're going to become our own country. And California,
39:11
Speaker 1: the state said we're going to become our own country.
39:14
Speaker 1: We're not going to join North or the South. So
39:17
Speaker 1: the minute we we then if if the South had
39:21
Speaker 1: been successful and breaking away, there would have been no
39:25
Speaker 1: way to say how where this would end. It would
39:28
Speaker 1: have certainly the South could have easily broken up into
39:31
Speaker 1: new It could have easily broken up into you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: eleven or so different countries. And in America many different countries,
39:40
Speaker 1: and many of them would have had or wouldn't have
39:42
Speaker 1: had them slavery. It would have been the It would
39:46
Speaker 1: have been the end of the But what I considered
39:50
Speaker 1: the the the the question of whether or not a
39:55
Speaker 1: country could rule itself. And so at the end, I'm
39:58
Speaker 1: gonna so in the middle of the Gettysburg address, I said,
40:03
Speaker 1: it is for us to be here dedicated to the
40:06
Speaker 1: to the great work which which they who have fought
40:09
Speaker 1: here have thus far so nobly advanced. And and so they
40:14
Speaker 1: they had done a great work. Now there's a whole
40:16
Speaker 1: bunch of people gathered for the for the Gettysburg uh dedication.
40:21
Speaker 1: So there, so I was saying, now we have a job.
40:25
Speaker 1: It's it's for us to be dedicated to the great cause,
40:29
Speaker 1: to the.
40:30
Speaker 2: Yea great cause.
40:31
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, And then I go to the end
40:33
Speaker 1: of it. And I say, and and and that this
40:40
Speaker 1: nation may have a new birth of freedom under God,
40:44
Speaker 1: that freedom that the government of the people, by the people,
40:47
Speaker 1: for the people, shall not perish from the earth. And
40:51
Speaker 1: so I said from the earth, because I hoped that
40:55
Speaker 1: that that it would be, that that the freedom could
40:57
Speaker 1: be something worldwide, not just in America. And then if
41:00
Speaker 1: if he could stay here, we could keep our freedoms,
41:04
Speaker 1: then there was a chance that that freedom would would
41:06
Speaker 1: would would would reach other people as well.
41:10
Speaker 2: We were Neighbraham Lincoln. Be proud of you today, Brian Jenkins,
41:14
Speaker 2: for for carrying on his legacy.
41:17
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that he did that
41:20
Speaker 1: I think is really delightful that he might he might
41:22
Speaker 1: be saying, all right, Brian, I think you're doing something
41:24
Speaker 1: you ought to be doing, and that that is the principle.
41:29
Speaker 1: He wanted people to understand the principle of freedom in
41:34
Speaker 1: regards to the to the black man. And and so
41:39
Speaker 1: there there's a speech that he gave called the Lost Speech,
41:43
Speaker 1: and we don't we don't know what he said in
41:45
Speaker 1: that speech, but but but we we think we think
41:49
Speaker 1: that he said that that he was talking about slavery
41:52
Speaker 1: in a way that that a lot of people could
41:55
Speaker 1: not accept yet. And then so he was saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be straight up to you guys, but I
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Speaker 1: would appreciate if you didn't say, well, what's going to
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Speaker 1: go on here today? And they said that that that
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Speaker 1: he when he when he was talking about freedom, that
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Speaker 1: his his hair puts puts, He'd had sweat on his hair,
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Speaker 1: and his hair would be standing out in every direction,
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Speaker 1: and and and he would he would he would almost glow.
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Speaker 2: You know, you were a great orator. Abe Lincoln was
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Speaker 2: a great orator. Uh that skill?
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I think you have to have some charisma to be present.
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Speaker 2: But I feel like the fact that Abraham Lincoln had
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Speaker 2: has been lost? Am I right? I?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: I was.
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Speaker 1: I would say that it's it's such an unusual thing.
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Speaker 1: So when when when I was in my thirties, Uh,
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Speaker 1: James Shields made me really mad and and and so
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Speaker 1: I started I was not tactful. I started talking about
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Speaker 1: things that I thought he was doing there that I
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Speaker 1: didn't like, and and and and so I wrote in
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Speaker 1: the newspapers and and said, what what a what a
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Speaker 1: bad guy this guy was? And uh, and so he
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Speaker 1: challenged me to a duel, and we ended up going
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Speaker 1: to Sunflower Island, and and we had our our our swords,
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Speaker 1: and we were gonna, we were gonna, we were gonna
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Speaker 1: start cutting each other up. And I say this because
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Speaker 1: the things that that happened, that that event and other
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Speaker 1: events made me look at at them and packed in
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Speaker 1: a little different way, made me start looking at couldn't
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Speaker 1: I be just a little bit more? Maybe maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: maybe roughing people up is and being mean to them
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Speaker 1: is not gonna work. But but so so it was
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Speaker 1: unusual in my day. I don't know if anybody else
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Speaker 1: who really looked at this the way that I did,
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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't see too many of the
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Speaker 1: too much of this tact that I would agree with yours.
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Speaker 1: I don't see too much of it today.
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Speaker 2: If you were to advise President Trump and even the
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Speaker 2: presidents before him, because you were sixteen an hour up
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Speaker 2: to forty seven, which is, you know, forty seven and
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Speaker 2: I know a couple of them elected twice, Trump included,
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Speaker 2: but forty seven presidents is an achievement for a country
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Speaker 2: that I still feel as still young. Two hundred three
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Speaker 2: years old is still pretty young. So if you were
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Speaker 2: to advise all these presidents after you, what would your
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Speaker 2: main message have been? Or is.
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Speaker 1: Well, I there is a powerful argument that a nation
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Speaker 1: cannot be free without God. Many of the founders believe that.
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Speaker 1: They said, you know, the Constitution is only made for
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Speaker 1: a moral people. And then and then the founders that
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Speaker 1: I believe it's the signers all. Every single signer self
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Speaker 1: identified as a Christian. Now today we say, oh, they
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Speaker 1: were d s, they weren't believers, but they self identified
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Speaker 1: as Christians. So so I cannot help but think that uh,
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Speaker 1: faith and repentance and humility. You know, Trump took a
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Speaker 1: graze over his his his air and hit his air
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Speaker 1: and it was it was like Heaven was saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're in at my leave you.
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Speaker 1: You may look around and think that that that that
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Speaker 1: that things are just happening, and then that you're just
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Speaker 1: you're just lucky. But but that's not so, that's not so.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm the one who's I've created this world. I've
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Speaker 1: created America. Do what what you run this my way
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Speaker 1: or or or or.
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Speaker 2: Well honest Abe Lincoln, the sixteenth President of the United States,
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Speaker 2: through Brian Jenkins, thanks so much, for joining me today
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Speaker 2: on your birthday. How old Abelink can have been today?
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Speaker 1: So two o nine I mean eighteen eighteen o nine
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Speaker 1: until twenty twenty five over that point in them, two
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen years old, I think so like that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, wow, two and sixteen and two and
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Speaker 2: sixteen years later, here you are on the one Like
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Speaker 2: Up Network through Brian Jenkins. Thanks so much, President Lincoln.
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Speaker 1: Well Alex God bless you man. Thank you for letting
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Speaker 1: be on your show.
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Speaker 2: With you every day. Lincoln, God bless you. And happy birthday,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Happy birthday to me