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Ignore the Haters · I Think Less of You Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: There was a girl who she worked under me and she was quite nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: I quite liked her.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was a big build and was in a relationship with a woman.
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  SPEAKER_00: And everyone...
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  SPEAKER_00: We were all talking about like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, if we'd played sports and like, you know, that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she said she'd played basketball or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: I said, I had you pegged more like you look like more of a softball player type.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just seem to have that kind of spirit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And everyone was like, what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because apparently this is a stereotype that lesbians play softball, which I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was unaware of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: She just struck me as kind of a softball player type.
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  SPEAKER_00: So.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm really glad that you said that to me today to open up this,
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  SPEAKER_01: that I looked
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  SPEAKER_00: like a softball type.
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  SPEAKER_00: But now I know that that was purposeful this time.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that time, it was not purposeful.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I actually had a similar,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was in talking to her,
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe it was a similar faux pas, that I found out about the Subaru stereotype.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about that before then either.
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  SPEAKER_00: I quite like Subarus.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Subaru stereotype.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because she drove a Subaru.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still coughing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it was like she was talking about how she had a Subaru.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, yeah, you straightway is a kind of person to drive a Subaru.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had a great sense of humor and didn't actually take offense at these,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was good because no offense was meant.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just, you know, a little innocent old me being like, you know, conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, I could see that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like how this was all to tell me about how you did this to say that I looked like
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  SPEAKER_01: that on purpose.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just glad that we cleared that up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I look like a large lesbian to you,
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  SPEAKER_00: apparently.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything for humor.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really been quite a week for me with men online already.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're just adding to the top.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel sometimes feel bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one of my guiding things on online has always because I remember being Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But long ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: I modified this because I was like,
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  SPEAKER_00: if someone who is a small account,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't take account of how many followers you have if you are coming
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  SPEAKER_00: into my replies.
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  SPEAKER_00: To have a conversation,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you open up a conversation with me,
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  SPEAKER_00: like, you know, good faith, I'm happy to chat with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you come into my replies to insult me or mock me in some way,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you have less than about, like, 2,000 followers, I'm just going to ignore you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not even going to block you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to engage with you for the most part.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I keep telling you this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to, these people with, like, 15 to, like, 100 would.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it too much to ask men not to moo at me?
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I will say women make horrible comments about men all the time as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure, and I would never.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would never.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's too much to ask them not to do it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it too much to ask my mutuals?
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't addressed to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it too much to ask my mutuals to not post their – my female mutuals
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  SPEAKER_00: to post their – Nasty pictures of themselves online,
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  SPEAKER_00: not pornographic, but kind of bordering on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, apparently it's too much to ask that when I open up my feed, I don't have to see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if you're good looking, I don't want to see it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that you should say it's nasty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since we're talking about mutuals.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is philosophically nasty.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, a lot of time, get a lot of response for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's the flip side of the same coin.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's people posting stuff that they know will get a rise out of people,
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  SPEAKER_00: a good rise or a bad rise.
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  SPEAKER_00: In those people's case, maybe a good rise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just saying,
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  SPEAKER_00: people act inappropriate in all kinds of ways all over the place on social media.
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  SPEAKER_00: I understand,
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  SPEAKER_00: but again,
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  SPEAKER_00: these people with like 15, 20, 100,
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  SPEAKER_00: Even like 100,
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  SPEAKER_00: 200 followers,
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  SPEAKER_00: their whole existence is just wandering around saying whatever
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  SPEAKER_00: the worst thing they could think of to somebody to try to get a rise out of them for
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  SPEAKER_00: a response.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like some kind of weird catharsis thing they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's just better to ignore them because it's not worth it to engage.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not worth it even to think about them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't even mean anything they're saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're just trying to take you off.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: He called me, he said that I look like Drewski doing Erica Kirk, which I did laugh at.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, at least it's original.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that one, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was kind of funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: He like went through my pictures and he was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh, her husband is some soy boy hipster tweed vest wearing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, he does wear tweed vests and he looks really good at them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually quite like his tweet vests.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find it somewhat entertaining when someone goes through and starts trying to...
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't post pictures of myself online,
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  SPEAKER_00: but people go through and try to catalog my old tweets and throw them back
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  SPEAKER_00: in my face.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's always funny to me because most of the time,
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  SPEAKER_00: the ones they drag up are ones that were blatantly jokes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had a guy show up in my replies at one point...
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  SPEAKER_00: And with he popped up with at some point like a couple of years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: I had made a joke that I'd made a post where I'm the only I'm
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  SPEAKER_00: the only truly objective person alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he poses.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that was a joke, buddy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find it funny when people do that,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I'm sure if people were personally attacking my looks,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would not be pleased about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you'd enjoy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that I would probably be better.
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  SPEAKER_00: I told you in a tech conversation, my general feeling is I don't care how other people feel.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to look good in general,
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  SPEAKER_00: but at the same time, I have a wife that I love and who loves me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've already locked mine down.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am not worrying about how I'm looking when I'm walking down the freezer aisle
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  SPEAKER_00: because I got a nice pint of Haagen-Dazs at home.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but also, just to respond to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did very well on the SAT analogy section.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am...
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  SPEAKER_00: Very self-conscious.
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  SPEAKER_00: We both know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, everyone knows this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm super self-conscious.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also, like, I don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want someone to see a picture of me and be like,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh, she's, you know, because I'm very locked down with my own pint of Hagen-Dazs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he's Ben & Jerry's.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a little lib.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a communist?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but he just really likes Cherry Garcia.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like his favorite.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like Cherry Garcia, too, but I don't like the new formulation of any Ben & Jerry's.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've had more recent formulations, and they have definitely messed with it rather badly.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to like Cherry Garcia, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: He just really likes cherries and chocolate,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is not a combination I ever really liked, but he loves it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I still want to, like, look.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Women, it's different.
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  SPEAKER_01: We still want to be pretty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure, but we don't like to be mooed at on love.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have men writing to say that I'm fat and my opinion should be discarded
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  SPEAKER_01: because I'm some hideous bridge troll.
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  SPEAKER_01: On Instagram and Twitter, I get at least one message a day telling
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  SPEAKER_00: me how horrible I look.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because it's low-hanging fruit.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is lazy trolling.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an easy thing to say.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I have a mirror.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can see myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, just stop it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are not ugly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but anyways, moving on.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is this horrible account who I hate called Beardson.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've encountered him.
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  SPEAKER_00: So his whole bit, I haven't seen him around in a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think he's lost a lot of steam online or maybe I just haven't intersected.
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  SPEAKER_00: But his whole bit is what he does.
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  SPEAKER_00: He goes around and he insults women.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he
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  SPEAKER_00: has purposely taken
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  SPEAKER_00: very bad screenshot of a picture of himself
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  SPEAKER_00: to be his avatar, like his beard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: He then jumps in, retweets them, and all of his followers then jump in to attack the person.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of loathsome accounts on X.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is one of the most loathsome, just on every single level.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these are like low-rent versions of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just exist to be nasty because they're not...
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not smart enough to be like me and actually make erudite cogent thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not everyone is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most people aren't, let's be honest.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I am hard to match in so many respects.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just looked up Beardson, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is maybe my perception of reality is just completely skewed
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  SPEAKER_01: because I don't find him that repulsive.
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  SPEAKER_00: You like his purposely skewed to be look goofy picture.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's terrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like a wild beard.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like bushy hair and a wild beard and I'm in apparently.
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  SPEAKER_01: If he moved at me, I probably would just block him.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'd quote tweet him.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would quote
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  SPEAKER_01: tweet him a joke, but I wouldn't call out his looks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would do what I did with this other guy,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I was like, well, at least you know I'm eating the recipes that I post.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: in general,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that it is—I try to avoid on the timeline discussing how people look,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't—because it's not— It's the last refuge of an idiot to turn to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always like to point out G.K.
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  SPEAKER_00: Chesterton,
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  SPEAKER_00: who is one of the minds that I admire most,
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  SPEAKER_00: certainly from a Christian philosophical standpoint,
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  SPEAKER_00: was a deeply weird-looking dude.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just immensely fat, horrible, the epitome of horrible English teeth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just as...
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  SPEAKER_00: He never got married, I don't think.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was just incredibly odd as an individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he gave us a huge canon of literature that is extraordinarily wonderful and fabulous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Deeply rooted in Christian philosophy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I view people who immediately go for attacks on people's looks as being just idiots
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  SPEAKER_00: because they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's all they have.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't have any other way of getting engagement.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can't get engagement by making a good point.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they get engagement by heckling the crowd.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So ignore them is what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just ignore the haters.
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  SPEAKER_00: They hate us because they ain't us.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get it in person, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a tall woman,
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  SPEAKER_01: and women are supposed to be,
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  SPEAKER_01: like, super tiny and super skinny and look certain ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's annoying being always told stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, why do people feel like they have to tell people how
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  SPEAKER_00: they are?
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  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think it's women.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's grating on me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's women who I think are more cranky about the tall women.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think women get it.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 100%.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Also, women are the most misogynistic.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is why I'm better friends with guys than I am with women.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not making this a gender wars thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're trash, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just am tired of being mooed at.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: People say awful things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't get DMs anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to make hay out of...
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  SPEAKER_00: Getting rude DMs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, my DMs are closed.
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  SPEAKER_01: They used to be open,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is kind of at my loss because I had lots of brands connect with me that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now they have to email me or something else and maybe I'll see it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I had to lock it down because I get so like I don't understand if it's bots or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why people hate me, but I am like very hated.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even say really controversial stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's my personality, it must be.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are people whom we both know who I would consider to be much more
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  SPEAKER_00: drawing
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  SPEAKER_00: of people's ire intentionally than you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm generally not trying to.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I do try to say something to like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Piss people off and like get a bunch of likes and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, just get something out there.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: No one ever takes the bait.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not good at rage baiting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently I am just by being me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have from time to time rage baited,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I will only do it on things that I actually believe,
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  SPEAKER_00: not just to tick people off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the example years ago,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you remember this,
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  SPEAKER_00: I posted a thing saying that skin tight pants are inappropriate leg wear for women.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I got so many women in my replies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Me included.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me included.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but this isn't technically a rage bait because this is something I believe
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  SPEAKER_00: and this is something my wife believes too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally wearing leggings as pants as we speak.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're probably wearing a tunic or something or a long shirt.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a giant Casa Bonita shirt.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't wander around with your entire tuchus completely exposed through
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  SPEAKER_00: a thin layer of nylon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure, but also I am in leggings that you would say are not appropriate as legwear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably, that's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: You should wear jeans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jeans are a good casual bottle.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, all of my jeans are packed.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will use that excuse,
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  SPEAKER_01: but frankly, it holds no water because I wouldn't be anyways.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm over at my townhouse just working like a schmuck.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going to happen when I move to a city and we have to leave
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  SPEAKER_01: the house during the day and I have to see other humans because I'm going to have
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  SPEAKER_01: to actually wear real human clothes.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're being too kind in calling Bostonians humans.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I am going to be on campus with fellow seminarians and their families and professors.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just don't leave the campus complex and you'll be okay.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we live off the campus complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be a bad time for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's going to be so hard.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Actually,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm really thankful that we're living off the campus complex because I've heard it's
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  SPEAKER_01: a lot of drama and craziness.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I haven't been to Boston in decades.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know very little about its current state other than it is full of communists
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  SPEAKER_00: who vote
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: like communists.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: It always was, though.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, it used to be Puritans.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be all about self-sufficiency.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: That was the Boston thing.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: They were very hardy, self-sufficient folk.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then the Irish came.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to say, it's not until
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: And torpedoed
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: everything.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: The Boston Brahmins were right.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: They should have been kept out.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: My family was one of them.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Criminals?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: My son finally heard the Whitey Bulger story,
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: and he was like, Dad,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: do you know this,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: like, A guy named Whitey Bulger is apparently like a distant cousin of us.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, yeah, I did.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, you know.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: My interesting ancestors fought in the revolution.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yours was Whitey Bulger.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Mine fled to Canada to be able to eat potatoes and then went back to Ireland and
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: then went to Boston, so.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I have a friend who's Irish heritage whose family came here
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: because her ancestor got caught horse rustling
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: and he was basically told you can either move to America or else you're going
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: to get killed.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: So he moved to America.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good choice.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, he got a reward for it.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sounds good.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, my family moved so they could be able to eat because they couldn't afford it in Ireland.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: A lot like people in America can't.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: A good transition.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: People in America complaining they can't afford things.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about this some last time, but I think there is more to discuss in it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: My wife suggested that,
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: on her own, suggested that you write a cookbook that is aimed at that demographic.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so much work.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was funny because you had been discussing how much money you could make in the cookbook.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: I need to do it.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: I need to do it.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm sure some of that somewhat exists, but I do think that we need a update.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So people, the joy of cooking was revolutionary in American cuisine.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know the joy of cooking, of course.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was a cookbook.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: But that was,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I believe,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: the first mass-published book that was taken up by people as a,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: like, you know, this is what women need to know in How to Run a Kitchen.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um...
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: And all cookbooks since,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: for the most part,
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: have been modeled to a greater or lesser extent on The Joy of Cooking.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're still making The Joy of Cooking,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: but I do think that we need an updated version of The Joy of Cooking.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Probably a few,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: because there are different types of people that are looking for this,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: for the kind of information.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: How do you run a kitchen in the modern world?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: How do you shop?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of pans do I need to start out?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: What's most essential?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because you have the urban people who don't have much of a kitchen,
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: but they have some kitchen and really could be cooking for themselves more,
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: but they just don't.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: You have suburban people with more room, and then you have rural people with yet more.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: The rural people, let's be honest, probably know how to cook.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Not always, but- You can't DoorDash.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: You can't DoorDash.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I do,
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there's probably,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: because I do think if just from the online,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: from the discourse,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of people are unaware of how much you, how would you do with a crockpot?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the tool you need, like,
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: invest in a good crock pot,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: like a good,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not talking about a mold, like,
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think we discussed last time,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think, that neither of us especially like Instapots.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Instapot and Crockpot are two totally different things.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: They are.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: We do use our Instapot when we're, like,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: especially during fasting times,
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: we do a lot of beans and And when you're you can soak beans and and slowly do it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: But honestly, Instant Pot is the only way we can get beans to be like the way we want it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I really only use it for beans.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: I use all meats.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I do slow cooker or like Dutch oven.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I have had Instant Pot stuff.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like Instant Pot doesn't do meat justice at all.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so at all.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: It just kind of turns into this homogenous gray.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: It also gives, like,
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if this is a me issue,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: and- This is going to be weird since I have numerous meat instant pot recipes
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: on my website, but it always seems like a grainy texture to me.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, it does.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's like eating gluten free in that there are ways that you can tweak it
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: a little bit to make it more palatable,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: to make it more like the thing that was actually made with the proper way.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: But it's never going to be as good.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's never going to be the same.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is all a weird tangent for us as we are going to talk about how to shop.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, because we are talking about how to shop because how you make the things is just
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: as important as what the things that you get.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I have to say,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: as someone who shops almost every day just because of my job,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: and I haven't been lately,
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I actually haven't been posting on my blog lately because I am very much underwater.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, emotionally, just everything.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm...
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Tapped out.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I also like still have a little bit of some weird demon flu that we got
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: because our kids were at camp before we went to South Dakota.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Disease vectors.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, yeah, I'm batting like, oh, I'm batting nothing at the moment.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually will admit I don't know how to show up.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know how normal people shop because I don't I haven't shopped like
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: a normal family in so long because when I go to the store,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm buying like when I do recipes, I like to batch them.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll do a bunch of things that are really similar and
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: then I'll just I'll shoot it all at once and I'll spread it out
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: over different months.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll buy like 15 pounds of ground beef and come home and make
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll make casserole or I'll make Sloppy Joe's or I'll do burgers or something like
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: that.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because if I buy in bulk like that, it's easier.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Then I can take prep shots easier and I can take videos easier.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I do everything batch-wise and I'm shopping based on SEO search trends,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: not in like, oh, my family wants to have this, this, and this this week.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I will admit, I'm like, when people ask me, oh...
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was volunteering in Tennessee for this group,
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: and I said that I would cook any of the nights,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: and they gave me one of the nights,
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: and I was like, they ask for a shopping list, and I said, well, can I just go?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to give you a list of what I need without being able
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: to see what's there.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm completely non-functional when it comes to stuff like that anymore just
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: because I haven't had that for so long.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: So this is helpful for me as well.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think that to my mind,
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: the first thing that has to be taken into account
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: in how you shop is how much storage space you have.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because different people have different answers to that.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I have the house that we live in.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: It came with a kitchen fridge and has a garage fridge.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: My wife had announced her intention to get rid of the garage fridge as soon as we moved in.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: She was confused by the concept of why we need a garage fridge.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: We use that garage fridge constantly now because having basically an overflow fridge
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: and freezer where you can have more medium-term things,
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: medium or long-term things stored away is incredibly useful.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's,
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: it's the downside is you get,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: you can,
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: you can forget which freezer stuff's in that have to like,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know, be rooting through two different freezers.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: But, uh,
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: also the,
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: also it's a very old fridge and the garage one, and it's kind of falling apart.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like the, the, the door racks have all come off.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we're, we're probably gonna need to replace the thing sooner rather than later.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: But, um, No,
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: but so I think the most important,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: you need to buy to fill up your space until your space is filled up with things
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: that are on sale.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think I said that the last time I recorded, that I don't understand people.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: You develop a basic understanding of what is needed to make...
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can make basic meals.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said ground beef earlier.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Ground beef's a good all-arounder.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: right now.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, ground beef is not a good all-arounder because it's so expensive.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, it's chicken.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, getting chicken and tuna
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: But
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: if you spend enough time in grocery stores looking around,
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: humans are great at pattern recognition.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: You'll begin to recognize when, what is cheap, and what's a good price for what.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that you just go and you buy up stuff.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm sure I'm still eating ground beef that's quite cheap because I bought it
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: when there wasn't a massive beef shortage.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: But...
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: We used to buy entire halves of a cow.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's a whole other level.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: They don't advertise those.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: You had to be really motivated to want to go out and talk to the farmer,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: find the farmer who's willing to sell you his cow's share.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, for some of us that live in states where beef is processed and raised,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: it's really easy because I have a bunch of friends that raise cows.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I just drive down the road and the farm right up the street has a big sign.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: I can pick out my Thanksgiving turkey.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can get a side of beef.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can get So as much as we like to complain about my communist hellhole,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: at least I do have access to really good fresh food.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: You can do things like that to a degree at our farmer's market.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you find crop shares and things, you can find...
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: is you get whatever they got.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you like kale.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you signed up for a farm share,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you're a big fan of kale because you know what grows really easily in all,
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: no matter how things are going in any other crop cycle,
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: kale is always growing really, really, really well.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: The crop share that I did last summer,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I actually loved because at the beginning of the week,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: they would put up what they had available.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And if you logged in fast enough,
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: which I always waited for that email and I would log in right away,
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: you got to pick what was in yours.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I never had the kale.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I would always make sure that I shifted off of the stuff that none
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: of my family would eat and focused on the things that they liked.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that was much better.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: So if you can find crop shares,
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: if anyone needs a really good crop share in Boulder, I have just the place.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the thing.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: You do have to look around, but you save a ton of money doing that.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Farm shares are a bit more of a suburban phenomena.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're for suburban people who want to LARP as being like actual rurals.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Rude.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: Rude.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know it.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just because the person that lives behind me has an airstrip
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: in their backyard doesn't mean I'm not rural as well.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, but like I said,
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: you need to have an understanding of how much storage space you have and work to,
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: when you see sales,
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: like be aware of it,
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: how much space you have available and when you see sales, buy what will fit.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do like a spreadsheet or a chart?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: How do you plan your week?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: I, uh, are,
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: when the ad comes out,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I look through the ad and I look at what, like, I look to see what the sales are.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: I ponder if the sales are actually good prices.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: And if they are, then I, I, I then, uh, just like, you know, Plan my menu around that.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes none of those places are good.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: But when you say you plan your menu,
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: are you writing it down so you know, like, on Tuesday we're having this?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't write things.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, because a lot of people do.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't write things down.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just have a general sense.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you and I are both airheads.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're not an airhead.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I am.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: But we're both kind of...
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a make up a flow chart kind of guy or throw up an Excel spreadsheet.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I see this.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I see chickens on sale.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: What can I make with chicken?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't know.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Chinese.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm in an Asian mood.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: You could get chicken tenders, which was great.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: You could get the raw chicken tenders.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: For $1.99 a pound this week, I got some of those.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, you know what?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to pick up a teriyaki marinade.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like-
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: I could have made myself.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: The last one, I specifically called out chicken tenders as being worthless.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Although when they are on sale, like...
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: The boneless, skinless chicken breasts were $1.69 a pound.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: The chicken tenders were $1.99 a pound.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: At that price difference,
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we're doing well enough financially,
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: I could pay someone else to chop them up for me.
• 32:31
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• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: So now I could have made the teriyaki glaze myself.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: And certainly the nice thing about making.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: So there are always going to be lots of rubs you can buy,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: lots of lots of barbecue sauces, all sorts of things that you can buy.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are very good.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people now are very concerned about controlling what's in it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my gosh.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you go seed oil on me, podcast over.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: I really
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: don't care.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, if we turn into seed oil people, I'm out.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Even beyond the stupid seed oil thing,
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of them will have a lot of high fructose corn syrup in them and things like
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: that.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just being a smartass.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know, you actually often will save a lot.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: In the long run, you'll probably save money by making your own versions of these things.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: But they're making it at scale.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: And whatever money you save is likely – so I feel like making your own in a lot
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: of cases may be a – I just have a really good recipe that I really like
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: that I haven't found commercially.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: But you're not saving a lot of money by making your own sauces and glazes over just buying.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: I will say rubs.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Make your own rubs.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, except there's – There's a couple companies that we really, really like.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're like Spices and Rubs.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's a few seasoning companies I like.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: But by and large, making your own isn't much more expensive.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of is in the first hit when you have to go and buy everything.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: But you have so much of it on hand.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: The reason I do that is it's just a lot fresher and you get a lot.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: You get a lot more flavor when you do it yourself.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: In my experience, it's hard to find a rub that isn't way too sugary.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I hate sugar.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sugary or salty.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the time, they'll be loaded down.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I like a lot of salt, but
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I bought some very nice high-end rubs that I found on Manager Special.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Way too salty.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Way too salty.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Couldn't handle it.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Salt addicts like me would love it.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I am so much of a salt addict.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I literally carry salt in my purse.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: I carry salt.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm known for carrying salt in my purse.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I take from the airlines.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because I sip bougie in first class.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I take their little salt things and United has these
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: that are like these little stackers and I empty them out and fill them up
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: with different flavored Malden salts.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I always have my good salt with me.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's a bit extreme.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Number one,
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: really like everything to be massively over salted because I take diuretics
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: and I have really low sodium.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: So my body does like actually need more salt, but also I just really love salt.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like salt, but you can be too salty.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of rubs tend to be.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think on the assumption that A, salt, it helps the other flavors absorb into the meat better.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the time they'll do it.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of want you to do a dry brine on the stuff, I think, on the food.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem with that is when you do a dry brine,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: You rinse off the salt at the end,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: or at least try to scrape off the salt, and you are supposed to.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Any recipe will tell you you're supposed to do that.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why a wet brine is generally preferable.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, wet brine is gross.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Especially with chicken, wet brine warps chicken's texture.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: You need a dry brine.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: And for turkeys, dry brine turkey is so much better.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I will agree with that.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's for the skin, the dry brine on the turkey.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just for the skin.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: The meat's texture is less grainy and less gummy when you dry brine it.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Unsurprisingly, you're wrong about something.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Only paid for my opinions on this,
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: but I'll write.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Wet brining is often preferable because you don't really have to rinse it off
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: because the salt comes out with the water when you pull it out.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Wet brining a pork?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: A pork loin?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sure.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now I forgot what I was saying.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: You went off on your weird tangent.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I like a dry brine.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, so I think what they're going for is similar to, like,
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: they want you to rest it for a long,
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: but they usually don't tell you to rest it in their store-bought rub for a long time
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: so that it absorbs better.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, no, like I said,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is something that you learn,
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: and I think that people would probably buy a cookbook that is for tips like that for
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: the modern kitchen.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: If only...
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't...
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: I know that there are people who are obviously you've made your career
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: at this point off of people who are habitual ways of a website,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: like, you know, just going and cruising and seeing what's there.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: I am at the point, long since, where I just know different food categories.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I am never going to a website being like,
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: oh, I'm going to look for this website for inspirations on what to make for dinner.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I am going to a website looking for,
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: do they have a recipe that I think will work for this very specific item
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: that I would like to make?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know you're not going to mine either way.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Do we want to talk about the time it went to yours?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do we want to have a discussion about that?
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, there was one with a typo, which happens all the time.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: The cooking time was way off.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was a transcription error,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: I guess, what you said from when you switched your old system to noob.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the other thing.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: When you're not all AI made and you convert from one website to another and you have
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: over a thousand posts,
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: sometimes things fall through the cracks and you are really good at finding the ones
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: that do.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I should probably just hire you to be an editor.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: I actually do go to your website to look for recipes first.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't always find the ones I want.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you ever do.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: That is, I do.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't call it out to you.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: But you can feel like you're attacked nicely if you want.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Unappreciated.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Unappreciated in this world.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm appreciated.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Always.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody appreciates me.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty awesome, but people don't know it.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: I just get mooed at instead.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Good Lord.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Ah.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, that was so annoying.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: You keep killing the conversation with that.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: It sucks.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: People suck.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Earth,
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: third rock from the sun, as my mother used to say when I'd complain about stuff.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that cheers me right up.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's...
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, like I said, I think that...
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: People who don't know how to cook at all may find it daunting because You need what?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of pans do you need?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: You need a 9x13 casserole pan.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: You need a nonstick skillet.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly,
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: you could probably just get away with owning a well-seasoned cast iron skillet
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: at first.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: A cast iron skillet will do so many things.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're kind of a pain to maintain.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: After a while, they're no longer a pain to maintain.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you own one for a long time, they'll build up and they'll actually be nonstick.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: You just have to season it really, really, really well.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: My best tip for that is to make bacon in it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Get a huge pack of thick cut bacon and make a ton of it and cook it like Two pieces
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: at a time and your pan will be seasoned in no time.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: But it has to be at high heat because you have to
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: open up so it can sink
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: in.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: The metal will expand and expose the pores and then the fats will flow into there.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like doing a skin treatment.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: You got to warm up your face first so you can have all the retinoids sink in.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take your word on that.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's never been a thing I've done.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Some of us have to do lots of skin treatments so that we can stay youthful
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: and radiant without injections.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: That healthy glow.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: that healthy glow.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have walked around the last week with,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can tell right now,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: but like,
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have looked a little burned or like sunburned because I bought a heating pad
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: for my sinuses.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Best $30 I've ever spent.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm walking around all red.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you often have problems with your sinuses, so that makes sense.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's an ongoing issue for you that your sinuses get filled up.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: We joke, Luke always makes fun of me.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have a really small nose.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like shape-wise small.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have a normal size nose.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: But like the openings, like my sinus passages are really small.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when I had my sinusectomies, I asked my surgeon if he could make my nose bigger.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, we don't do that.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's like,
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: this isn't a
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: rhinoplasty.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, I want a rhinoplasty, but I want a bigger nose.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, you're insane and laughed at me.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I just want to be able to breathe.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't ever breathe.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: His thing is non-functional.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's decorational only.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: We all have our crosses to bear.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Courtney Can't Breathe.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like this was kind of a chaotic one and maybe we'll keep doing more how to price things.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think it's an interesting conversation because
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: so many people seem like they're completely incapable of making family
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: or like home decisions.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there is home ec anymore.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Both of my kids...
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Both of my kids are homeschooled, so they see this stuff a lot.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: But also in the homeschool program that we do,
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: they have a class that they call Common Arts, which is they do like life skills.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: They do a little bit of like woodworking, first aid, stuff like that.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: But they also do whole units on cooking.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And how to budget, how to plan finances.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's another thing that really bothers me for my past life as a credit union lobbyist.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's no financial education in schools.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Both of my kids are taking a...
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Household finance class this year.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: We don't teach financial education to people and we don't teach home ec.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And we have people go out into the world and are saying,
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: hey, you're an adult now, but they don't.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know you hate when people say adulting as a verb.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: But they don't know how to adult.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: We don't teach people really easy, valuable life skills that a lot of us learned.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember in high school,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: they would have us practice writing checks and balancing a checkbook.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: And thank God we don't have to do that anymore.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: But kids don't know the method behind like balancing a checkbook or how
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: to determine how much money you have or how much money is coming in or out.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: Even younger millennials didn't.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think that this then manifests in larger,
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: more systematic ways,
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: because if you don't understand the precepts of how to maintain the economics
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: that you personally interact with every day,
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: if you are not schooled in understanding...
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is a systematic problem in the beef industry that's multifaceted.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty much during the whole of Burrito Gate, I've noticed this pattern.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: All of the things people are complaining about the price of were beef-related.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Beef is not the economy.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: There is a systematic problem that is...
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not exactly anyone's fault,
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: but it largely falls on a bit Trump and on Biden
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: from Trump's previous administration that has led
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: to our cattle herd just being incredibly small right now.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the smallest it's been since the 70s.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, 1951.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's unsustainable.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of reasons for that, and some of them are ecological.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: The price of beef, I've looked into this, the price of beef is going to be high into the 2030s.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because it just takes a long time to bring the herd back up.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and we also have to acknowledge like,
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know, we had AOC this week say, oh, woke one was crazy.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like basically saying, wait till woke two.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Stuff like beef is only going to get worse if we don't.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: If we don't win in the midterms,
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: if we don't hold the White House,
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: things like beef prices aren't going to get better.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Chicken and pork might, but beef is really going to be hard hit.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Beef is a target for a lot of climate alarmists.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: That could be its own episode on why we don't agree with that.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Also, it is a very vulnerable market and it is one that needs to have a lot
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: of relief quickly to be able to lower prices in like five years.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's unfortunate.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: But all of this comes to when you're talking about you sit and look at the sales,
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: like I don't know that a lot of younger people even know that they need to do that.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that they know how much money they have, how much money they should be spending.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that people even know that they should have a budget and how to stick
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: to a budget and how to work a budget.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think people even realize they need to be looking at sales.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well,
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think that in a lot of cases their parents protected them from having to do all
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: that onerous kind of stuff.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, their parents were likely doing it or their grandparents were doing it.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: This now is a systematic problem that goes back to the raising of Generation X. Yeah.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it has only compounded over the—it was something of a failing of
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: the younger boomer—even the bit,
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: the silent generation,
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: the greatest generation— Uh,
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: that a lot of them felt,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: the older boomers and the greatest generation people all felt like,
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I had a, my kids shouldn't be burdened with the problems that I had.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I want my kids to have a good life.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want them to have to worry about these things.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: So now that you have, like,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: just multiple generations of people who were raised without,
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: without understanding that you do kind of have to be worried about these things.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: And they're being raised by People being raised by people who were raised by people
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: who were raised by people.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: So like, yeah,
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: you're multiple steps between you and anyone who actually was competent at operating
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: in an adult sphere.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I just have to say I had a fantastic financial education because my dad was a banker.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: My mother was an economist.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: My husband had a great financial education because his dad was a bank regulator and
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: the two of us are both pretty bad at money.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it all, I worked, my political science degree was a focus in global finance and I'm still.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: But at least you know enough to understand you're bad at money and not to blame it on society.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Fair, fair.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, though,
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: that a lot of people don't think to give their kids any kind
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: of formal financial education.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of really good tools out there.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: If anyone is looking for some that you can have your kids use, I have a great list.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: My dad helped develop a lot of them in his former role.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I got to work on one in a past life.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: There are so many programs.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Kids need them.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know how much money is coming in and out,
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: but I also pay a team of accountants to tell me that every day.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have people that tell me I need to budget.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, just make your kids read Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: I actually have always given my kids an allowance to my husband was kind of against it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, why are we just giving them an allowance to just have money show up on its own?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: I like my kids to have they have their own bank accounts.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: They have their own savings accounts.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: They have their own trusts.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: They see update.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: And these are all my kids have like.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: They like having an account with money in it and they really look
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: at stuff really carefully because they're like,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: oh, do I want that number to go down or do I want this thing?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I really appreciate that.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: And my husband was like,
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have thought of it that way because he thought giving them an allowance
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: for doing nothing was just was going to teach them that money just shows up.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, but also it's going to show them everything.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: How money performs when you have it and when you don't.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think I told you before, my kids get paid for moving the lawn.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: You get $10 for the front lawn, $10 for the back lawn.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: One of them has the right to do one of each.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: If one of them chooses not to, then the other one can do it and they get full $20.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hey.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, but it's great because it helps them learn about money, about earning things.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, both of my kids do a little bit of work for me.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter's going to start when we move and we're in an apartment,
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: which I do think my blog is going to take a whole different turn.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm In thinking about some of these cookbook ideas and, like,
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: how-to adult ideas,
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: I am sitting here realizing I have not lived in an apartment in 20 years.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm moving to an apartment.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm moving to a city.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't lived in a city in 20 years.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: All of this might be a really interesting experiment to be like, hey.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to turn into liberal.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can guarantee that's not going to happen.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's going to happen.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to be a card-carrying member of the Communist Party.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not going to happen.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Also, Communists famously don't really love the Orthodox.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, they killed a lot of Orthodox priests.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: And seeing as how I'm moving to Boston for my husband to be an Orthodox priest.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's only because they were the priests who were available for them to kill.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get it.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: They don't really like priests and we're moving there so my husband can be one.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: So statistically, I don't love our odds with communism.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're good.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: That was abrupt,
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: but all right.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.