Latest / The APAJ Hard Charger Podcast / Why Is There So Much Anger Among Them?

Transcript

Why Is There So Much Anger Among Them? · The APAJ Hard Charger Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the all-new Apodge Hard Charger Podcast Show, where real talk is what we do.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is episode two titled Why Are There's So Much Anger Among Them.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, APAJ, my beloveds.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I am grateful for the opportunity to be here and to share today's discussions with you.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I wish you all the blessings of our shared humanity and hope you cherish your time and journey while you are here on Earth.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Today's discussion is part of a continuum from the first episode, which kind of spoke to the ongoing infighting that's being played out on social media outlets, and it has gotten quite ugly between some black immigrants and some of those individuals who call themselves the Foundational Black Americans, or simply put, FBA.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: I want each of you to think about the next comments I'm going to share.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Ask yourself, as a country, have we reached a point where some of us insult each other without any regret?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you have ever lived abroad, taken a long vacation, or moved to a new country, you know that adjusting to a completely new society is a huge mental and emotional challenge.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: One of the first steps for an American arriving in a foreign place is a formal act of finding safety.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Signing in with the nearest U.S.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Embassy or consulate, making sure the Department of State knows where you are, and holding on to a familiar official support in an unfamiliar place.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: This information is so true.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: My personal experience while traveling abroad is to let our government know my whereabouts, in case something happens and I need to be located and evacuated.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, stop for a moment and feel the deep weight of that uncertainty.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine the quiet worries that come up when you enter a place where you clearly stand out.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Think about the feeling of not knowing if a community will accept or reject you because of things you cannot change: your looks, your relationship status, your race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or background.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine being judged just by how your hair feels, the clothes you wear, the kindness in your smile, or the strange sound of your accent when you try to speak their language.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, is that what's being actually played out on social media between some of the United States black Americans and black immigrants?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: How do you personally feel about this soap opera events?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Leave a comment and let us know as a mature adult what you believe is being played out in real time by sharing with our listeners some real talk.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: For many people who have this opportunity, this kind of relocation is far from casual.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Picture the moment after years of searching, sacrificing, and waiting when a job with life-changing benefits finally arrives, but requires you to leave everything you're familiar with behind you.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Perhaps you took on this journey alone or brought your spouse and children to a country with no shared history.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thereafter, you notice some neighbors harbor deep resentment toward your presence being in their country, possibly burdened by some fears and systemic struggles of unemployment, housing insecurity, or economic failures due to their personal lack of progress.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: From their own unstable living positions, they may see you not as a fellow human being, but as a threat to their survival and economic mobility.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: The emotional toll of facing such aggression on a daily basis could become an enormous psychological burden to you or your family members, especially when you hold full legal documentation and were properly admitted to their country.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: You pay taxes and contribute to the local economy, yet are still viewed as an unwelcome intruder.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: In our contemporary American discourse, therein today's American conversation, there is a common, unchallenged belief that immigrants are a harmful burden on public services and healthcare.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: In this tense political time, the difference between legal and illegal immigrants is ignored.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Both groups are put into one negative category, as members of the global community.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Should we consider this important question?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: If we, as Americans, want respect, safety, and understanding while working and living in another country, why do some of us find it so hard to offer the same kindness to those hoping for a future here?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sisters and brothers, I wonder whether we are living in a time when disrespectful behavior has become the social norm.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Furthermore, are the socioeconomic and structural differences within Black America's mainstream society being exploited by subcultural environments?
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: I want to address our immigrant communities, especially those who have come seeking the American dream.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Recently, there has been an increase in inappropriate behavior and troubling conversations on social media, particularly involving black immigrants and black-on-black issues.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: With my experience in immigration law, I understand the challenges both legal and undocumented immigrants face with the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, USCS.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is concerning to see divisive behavior among people of similar backgrounds, as well as negative comments from some black immigrants about black Americans.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: The APAJ Hard Charger Podcast would like to ask our immigrant community several important questions regarding these issues.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is it that you feel is not part of that paradise you pictured prior to your journey to America?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is it that you painted your American dream as the so-called milk and honey that cannot and perhaps will never be tangible?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: For those black immigrants who share feelings of unease about coming to America on social media platforms such as YouTube, could you clarify whether these concerns are related to perceptions of certain American black subcultures or community violence?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why are some black immigrants being looked at as being a monolith and not based on their individual actions and behaviors?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't being the target of some, not all black Americans, just as some white Americans have done over decades, if not centuries, to all black people in America, blaming certain black individuals for their poor judgment or violent acts as being monolithic in nature?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Why do some of you immigrants feel that black Americans have never done anything but commit violent acts and are not contributors to American society?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, to my immigrant, especially black immigrant family, have you stopped to educate yourselves about mainstream black Americans and their many contributions to American society?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: We will conduct a separate poll on our channel, seeking your adult and intelligent real talk opinions.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do you support the foul language and behavior that some FBAs and some black immigrants have used toward each other on social media?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Please leave your comment.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ultimately, the position of the APAJA Hard Charger Podcast on these matters is clear.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: We refuse to let the relationship between our communities be dictated by the toxic algorithms of social media drama.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot allow 30-second sound bites, clickbait, and profitable online shouting matches to divide people who share a parallel struggle for dignity and survival.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: The real work of healing this cultural divide doesn't happen on a digital timeline.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: It happens through intentional education and real-world proximity.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so, to the immigrant community, we issue a direct challenge.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Step outside the digital noise.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Go online and actively research the deep, unfiltered truth of black American history.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: Even more, we challenge you to step into real spaces, sit down with black Americans, and truly listen to our story, not as a static textbook subject, but as a living, breathing testament to resilience and brilliance.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Truth be told, you don't have to look far to uncover these incredible facts.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can discover these wonderful and exciting accomplishments by visiting any of our homegrown black museums across the nation.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Better yet, you can explore them right now from the comfort of your own home through major public archives, like the Library of Congress African American History Resource Guides Digital Collections, or the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture Platforms Open Access Collections.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let us close the tabs on the social media manufactured drama, open our minds to our shared realities, and do the real work of learning from one another.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Now, let's move on to a dear subject matter I feel personally responsible for in getting the healthcare and social support messages out to legal immigrants, as I alluded to in my two guidebooks.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Healthcare for immigrants, particularly black immigrants.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: There continue to be some ongoing debates persist among various black communities regarding the definition of black indigenous American identity.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: In addition, some members of the Foundational Black Americans, FBAs, have expressed entitlement claims as being indigenous to our homeland, and I am okay with that in principle.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: However, conceptually speaking, the White House's Office of Management and Budget, better known as OMB, have identified the following identities as being formerly recognized by its office.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Terms such as Negro, colored, black, and African American are commonly used, but not the N-word, which is increasingly prevalent on social media.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: I do not consider it an expression of self-respect or pride when black individuals publicly label themselves with the N-word.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Those who use such language may represent a segment of America's black subculture, rather than the mainstream black community.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Additionally, the Office of in Budget, OMB, has issued Directive No.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: 15, which all federal agencies must implement by 2027.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now let us examine why some of us listeners might feel it is a double standard when blacks, regardless of their social and economic stratification, the fact that our society even allow anyone to use the N-work sets a falsehood tune, in my opinion, that if blacks uses the N-word among themselves, it's okay because they actually inherited as a mouthpiece from whites, and this opinion is based on real talk.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: This foundation can be traced back to the era of enslavement and the Jim Crow period, both of which were shaped by similar oppressive ideologies.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: In my two book guides, Accessing Healthcare and Social Support in the USA, and Social Support in the USA for Legal Newcomers, identified systemic barriers, disparities, and discrimination that legal immigrants, particularly black and brown people, experience from.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: American-born citizens.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Furthermore, I observed that even some naturalized citizens expressed contempt toward legal newcomers.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: My guidebooks also highlight existing support systems available to legally admitted immigrants.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder why some legal permanent immigrants look down on undocumented individuals.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Then, after they get their green cards and become naturalized U.S.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: citizens, some, but not all, seem to have negative attitudes toward other permanent immigrants who have not yet naturalized.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: You can't make these things up, it's human nature.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: It appears that, upon naturalization, some individuals who become naturalized United States citizens actually distance themselves from other lawful immigrants who have not yet naturalized.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe this observation is inaccurate or unfounded?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And how common do you think this kind of ridiculous behavior is?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can assure you that it is indeed a real phenomenon.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: My book guides explain why ignorance of the internet can be concerning when people know their personal opinions aren't necessarily factual, but still choose to follow hyperbolic narratives.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: For example, the clinical term delusion and double bookkeeping refers to a psychiatric condition in which a delusion is defined as a fixed false belief that persists despite clear and reasonable contradictory evidence.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: You may wonder why I mentioned this.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: I will clarify my reasoning.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because what I am saying is, there are so many of Americans consider legal immigrants and illegal or undocumented immigrants as being the same.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Perhaps those recent immigrants who have become naturalized United States citizens feel a relief and they are no longer the subject of stereotypical rumors and jokes.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: However, legal and illegal or undocumented immigrants are not the same, categorically according to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 is the foundational U.S.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: law governing immigration, naturalization, and nationality codified under Title II of the U.S.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Code.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Summary Earlier History Before INS, immigration and naturalization were handled by separate bureaus.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bureau of Immigration, created in 1891 in the Treasury Department.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Bureau of Naturalization added naturalization duties in 1906.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: USCIS.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: These bureaus merged into INS in 1933.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: In summary, BCS 2003 to 2003, USCIS, 2003, present.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: The Immigration and Nationality Act, INA, also known as the McCarran-Walter Act, was enacted on June 17, 1952, and came into effect on June 27, 1952.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: It consolidated various immigration laws into a single statute, reorganizing the structure of U.S.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: immigration law and codifying it under Title VIII of the United States Code.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: And beloveds, the INA has been amended numerous times to reflect changes in immigration policy and law.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Backstory and brief history of our immigration system.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Before becoming USCIS, the agency was known as the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, BCS or CS.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Earlier, the Immigration and Naturalization Service managed its responsibilities.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: The Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, BCS, was the agency's official name from March 2003 until later that year when it became U.S.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Citizenship and Immigration Services, USCS.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: BCS was formed during the Department of Homeland Security, DHS, reorganization after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: It took over immigration services and benefits from INS, including processing green cards, naturalization, work permits, and humanitarian relief.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: The agency changed its name to USAS because Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services was seen as too long and not well known to the public.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Again, the Immigration and Naturalization Service served as the primary federal agency overseeing immigration and naturalization from 1933 until March 1, 2003.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: INS managed both service and enforcement functions.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: In 2002, the Homeland Security Act reassigned its responsibilities to three newly established DHS agencies, U.S.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Citizenship and Immigration Services, USCS, for Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, I see, for Enforcement, and Customs and Border Protection, CBP, for border control.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So let's examine, if you don't mind, legal immigrants in healthcare, and particularly black and brown immigrants, who are structurally, categoric, and systematically left out of the standard healthcare safety nets that the majority European immigrants, newcomers, receive and continue to enjoy.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, can the same situation that's happening to black immigrants relative to their healthcare experiences in America be the same or mirror that as us natural-born United States citizens have encountered, particularly those members of the ADOS slash FBA's families?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Please leave a comment on our YouTube channel or become one of the growing buzzprout fan mail.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: And tell me if you believe legal immigrants or newcomers who utilize the American healthcare systems or social support networks should not be entitled to do so.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: You see, most Americans assume legal immigrants heavily drain the public health care infrastructure and employment.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: This fact is even if the immigrants are lawfully admitted to the United States.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's look at some reasons behind the misleading comments about legal black immigrants, and maybe legal immigrants in general.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I often wonder why there is so much generalization and so many polarizing attacks on social media, especially between some foundational black Americans and some black immigrants.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us what you think the real issues are between these groups.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Share your adult and intelligent thoughts in the comments with Real Talk on our YouTube or Buzz Sprout Fan mail channels.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: The real per capita healthcare spending.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's address the elephant in the room where the majority of Americans, and specifically some of our own black American communities, are completely unaware and lack the knowledge of legal immigrants' reality of healthcare, spending, and social support networks in the United States.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: However, if you go to social media right now, the loudest voices along with the so-called silent voices claim that legal immigrants, newcomers, are flooding public systems and draining resources away from native-born citizens.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Also, let's assume for now that the people who post these views on social media represent a minority opinion, not the majority of voices from FBA leadership.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Some black immigrants also go online to share their negative opinions and often speak of inaccurate stories about black people in the United States.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be clear that I find it just as unacceptable when some black immigrants direct the same kind of ignorance and contempt toward black Americans.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: To address those misleading health care rumors, some Americans have voiced their opinions on social media about immigrants, and to be more specific, black and brown immigrants.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: So here are some factual numbers that prove that American-born citizens use significantly more health care and incur far higher financial expenditures.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: And most Americans would say that are okay with that, and I agree, because this heated event between natural-born United States citizens and legal immigrants will never be debated fairly.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not if American-born or naturalized citizens feel to the contrary about immigrants in general.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, when we evaluated how much it actually costs to care for an individual annually in the U.S.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: health system, the baseline comparison strips away the myths completely.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: For example, we evaluated two separate reports.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: The first report explained how American-born citizens incur an average annual health care expenditure of$7,277 per person compared to the legal immigrant population.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Part two of the study explained how the immigrant populations who were lawfully admitted incur an average annual expenditure of just$4,875 per person, a 33% difference.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: However, if you tune into some recent social media comments, they are seemingly there to feed into the narrative of deception designed to intentionally misinform the public about the critical and essential data and information regarding the social acclimation of immigrants who reside lawfully within the United States.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is why, as retired immigration officials, we know immigrants' behavior better than most of their adversaries.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is also important for Apodge hard chargers to stick to the facts and avoid hyperbolic rhetoric.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: For example, our integrity is well proven.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: As a former INS slash USCIS insider, I have worked in legal immigration for nearly 30 years and understand the legal immigrants acclimation process.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I worked with immigrants alongside my former colleagues.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote two guidebooks for legal immigrants.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Accessing health care and social support in the United States, these guidebooks aim to challenge stereotypes, especially those affecting black immigrants.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Our APAJA Hard Charger Podcast platform provides reliable, relevant information.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: As former INS and USAS insiders who adjudicated thousands of immigrants' paperwork, we know accuracy matters, so we rely exclusively on reputable sources, including the Kaiser Family Foundation, KFF, and the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, MEPS.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: The Apodge Hard Charger Podcast Show considers all of our information relevant to these issues, as some black immigrant communities and some FBA communities are engaging in mutual criticism that appears to be dividing the broader black community.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: We maintain that, if left unaddressed, this division could foster an environment reminiscent of that unfortunate behavior that happened in Rwanda in 1994.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: More facts on legal immigrants.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Healthcare expenditure datasets showing a contrasting viewpoint between native-born and immigrants.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: The JAMA Network Open Public Insurance Study.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: You can read the specific cross-sectional study analyzing public healthcare system costs on JAMA Network Open.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: It breaks down the findings detailing that providing insurance to immigrants costs the healthcare system less than half of what it costs for U.S.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: born adults,$3,800 versus$9,428 per person annually.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: The JAMA Network Open Premium and Tax Surplus Study to review data tracking how much immigrants contribute financially to the healthcare infrastructure versus what they use, JAMA Network Open Healthcare Contribution Study.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: It outlines how immigrants create a net surplus by contributing billions more in premiums and taxes than they utilize in care.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Additionally, we identified another statistical comparison point worth noting in this episode.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: We believe it is essential to present factual information regarding legal immigrants and their experiences as guests in our country.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: For example, KFF Policy Insights.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: For an overview of overall expenditures across different visa statuses, insurance unenrollment projections.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And state-funded programs, we like for our listeners to take a look at the KFF Health Coverage of Immigrants Fact Sheet.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: To see exact dollar-for-dollar spending categorizations by treatment types, such as prescription drugs versus office visits, visit the KFF Immigrant Healthcare Expenditures Breakdown.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Please feel free to leave us an adult rayal talk comment on our YouTube or Buzz Sprout fan mail.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Both legal immigrants and individuals born in the United States can benefit from understanding the demographic profiles of black immigrant populations.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pew Research Center data track growth rates, geographic distribution, and educational attainment within these communities.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: The Pew Research Center Black Immigrants Profile provides evidence-based information that counters misinformation.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Additionally, the Migration Policy Institute fact sheet offers detailed insights into economic sectors, workforce participation, and healthcare employment rates among the Black foreign-born population.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: The Migration Policy Institute Black Immigrant Analysis presents peer-reviewed data and discussions for further examination.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: We hope you don't get lost in our delivery.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: We feel it is necessary to counter the hyperbolic propaganda and misleading rhetoric we've all been hearing on social media covering the infighting of black immigrants and the FBA.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: The APAJA podcast is grounded in telling facts, not opinions or exaggerations, to give our listeners clear guidance.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: By naming our sources and encouraging independent verification, we aim to build trust with all listeners, including the FBA, ADOS, and Pan-Africanist audience, who value openness, transparency, and honest representation of facts.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: We believe addressing some difficult, self-inflicted wounds on social media is exactly what people who enjoy soapbox theater want.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like so many others longing for unity, I turn to the generated documents, which offer a clear, data-driven look at demographic and healthcare spending among U.S.-born black Americans, black legal immigrants, and all legal immigrants nationwide.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: To sum up this section on legal immigrants, especially black immigrants, and their health care, the report points out some important findings.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: One key issue is the immigrant health paradox.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Black legal immigrants spend much less on healthcare each year, for$1,100 to$4,600, compared to native-born black Americans,$9,200 to$9,500.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: This difference is mostly due to self-selection and differences in health at the time of arrival.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Here is another perspective on healthcare for immigrants, especially black immigrant families.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: In addition to the KFF, MEPS, and PW reports, the Migration Policy Institute, MPI, also examines healthcare challenges faced by black immigrants.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Many Americans do not realize the impact of institutional and policy barriers.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: For instance, the report explains that rules like the federal five-year waiting period for non-emergency Medicaid for lawful permanent residents lower public spending numbers for immigrant groups.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Moreover, I am not sure whether most Americans born and raised are aware of the dilemma faced by legal immigrants regarding the five-year legal block.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Under long-standing federal guidelines, even newcomers who arrive legally as lawful permanent residents, LPRs, must wait five years before they can qualify to apply for federal Medicaid or CHIP.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that was not what I heard from one of the so-called intellectual ladies on social media.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: She talked about legal immigrants coming to our country and immediately getting social benefits that, according to her, Americans who were born and raised here are missing out on.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you still believe newcomers get a free ride at the public's expense, check the macroeconomic balance sheet.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Research in the Journal of General Internal Medicine shows immigrant populations contribute much more to government health insurance trust funds through taxes than they take out in benefits.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Breaking the manufactured scarcity trap.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Here is some real talk.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: When our FBA, ADOS, and Pan-Africanist leadership groups argue over healthcare resource allocation, they are fighting a ghost.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: The$1.92 trillion domestic core Anchor CELIC Center data isn't losing its structural leverage because the$180 billion immigrant segment is draining public clinics.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: The administrative state has built a hyper-restrictive firewall around federal benefits.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: If we want to protect our legacy interests and advocate for lineage-based wealth corrections like reparations intelligently, we have to stop being clueless about how public finance actually operates.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: The data is clear, the statutory boundaries are locked, and it is time for us to start operating like adults.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let the healing continue.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: GDP includes all economic activity that happens inside a country's borders.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: This means anyone who works and produces goods or services in the country adds to its GDP, no matter what their citizenship or nationality.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's also look at how each group is counted in these two measures.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Black legal immigrants, BLI their work is counted in GDP because they are working inside the country.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: But GNP only includes their output if they are citizens or official residents, according to GNP rules.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: American citizens, their work is counted in GDP if they live and work in the country.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: GNP also includes their output, even if they live abroad, because GNP counts citizens no matter where they live.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, both groups help the domestic economy grow, as shown by GDP.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: But are these terms officially recognized?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to see the official rules for how all resident workers are counted in national economic data, no matter their race or immigration status, check these trusted sources.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: The U.S.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Bureau of Economic Analysis, BEA, glossary say essay resident, is anyone who lives or plans to live in a country for at least one year.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Their work is counted in the country's economic data.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: The International Monetary Fund GDP guide also sets the basic rules for tracking goods and services, making sure everyone working within a country's borders is measured the same way.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: An examination of the consumer packaged goods sector reveals the global significance of a$2.1 trillion industry, far beyond the common perceptions shared on social media.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: For example, if the black population in the United States were considered a separate nation, its economy would rank 14th largest globally.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: This economic size would surpass those of Spain, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and the Netherlands.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: The following comparisons illustrate how these figures relate to the economies of various countries across different continents.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: European comparison, the total spending exceeds Spain's entire GDP,$2.09 trillion.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Furthermore, the$180 billion attributed to the Strategic Immigrant Group is comparable to the GDP of countries such as Slovakia.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: In Asia, the$1.92 trillion domestic figure is comparable to South Korea's economy,$1.93 trillion, a nation known for major advances in technology, industry, and manufacturing.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: In Central and South America, the total market surpasses Mexico's GDP,$2.12 trillion, and is similar in scale to Brazil's GDP,$2.63 trillion, the largest economy in South America.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: In Africa, the$2.1 trillion total is about six times Nigeria's economy,$377 billion, and four times South Africa's economy, for$179 billion.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Consumer packaged goods, labor, and command, revealing the hidden scale.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: To my fellow black immigrants living legally in the United States, and to black individuals born and raised here, we are far more than just a consumer group.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: We are a vital labor force and a key part of the nation's infrastructure, and the following analysis will show why.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Consumer Package Goods, CPG explains our community absorbs and drives more specialized CPG logistics, beauty supply chains, food distribution networks, and retail commodities than the entire sovereign consumer populations of Australia and Columbia combined.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: The Active Labor Force, our internal active workforce, consists of millions of highly skilled professionals, laborers, and administrators embedded across the Department of Defense, healthcare systems, federal agencies, and global corporate finance.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: That labor pool is larger than the combined active working populations of Saudi Arabia and Switzerland.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now listen, this is real talk.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: We are nearing the end of this week's podcast.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: So let's codify our research findings on the contrasting viewpoints on the diverse black immigrants and the American black citizens.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Proof of the workforce numbers, 3.5 million plus.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: The claim that the labor pool is larger than the working populations of Saudi Arabia and Switzerland combined stems from demographic reports on the black immigrant labor force.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Data from FWD U.S.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: labor study shows that there are roughly 3.5 million black immigrants in the active U.S.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: workforce.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: According to worldwide data, Switzerland's working population is about 4.7 million.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Saudi Arabia's workforce changes because of foreign workers, so the combined active working populations is used as a comparison to show size.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Proof of federal and defense employment.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: To see where black immigrants and citizens work in the Department of Defense, Healthcare, and federal agencies, we reviewed federal employment records.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: For example, the U.S.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Office of Personnel Management, OPM, publishes the Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program, FEAR, report.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: This data formally tracks the number of minority professionals, laborers, and administrators employed in the civilian federal workforce and defense agencies.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: The U.S.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Bureau of Labor Statistics, BLS, tracks labor force participation broken down by native-born versus foreign born populations across high-level sectors like health care and public administration.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, let's look at the proof of the capital scale,$180 billion plus.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: The third bullet point I previously mentioned was a$180 billion figure controlled by this segment.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: This directly mirrors the FWDWS economic impact data, which evaluates that the black immigrant population contributes$182 billion annually to the U.S.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: economy, including roughly$60 billion paid in federal, state, and local taxes.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Comparative defense spending data published by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, CIPRI, verifies annual defense budgets to validate the claim that an economic clout of 180 billion rivals or exceeds the individual annual military budgets of nations like Russia, the UK, or China.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: The capital scale versus global militaries.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Think about national security.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: The$180 billion controlled by our strategic immigrant infusion segment exceeds the annual defense budgets of China, the United Kingdom, Russia, and France.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when you look at this data, you realize that penny bickering, online cultural infighting, and the name-calling running rampant on timelines is a disgrace.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: We hold the financial, industrial, and operational keys to an international superpower, but we move like a fractured entity because we are legally and economically blind.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is time to look at the data, recognize our collective leverage, act like the global force we are, and shut down the social media clickbait scammers.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: As we close out this second episode of the APAJ Hard Charger Podcast Show, let's step back from the noise and take a mindful reminder to heart.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Black Diaspora is more interconnected and alike today than ever before.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Beyond differences in geographic origins, citizenship status, or acronyms like FBA, ADOS, and Pan-Africanist viewpoints, we share one non-negotiable common denominator, our collective survival, prosperity, and strategic endurance in a rapidly moving global society.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: The discussions and unwarranted language that are on social media today remind us that the rhetoric and division magnified by social media's misguided and intentionally misleading commentaries fall completely short of telling the truth.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, we must actively warn our combined listeners, both U.S.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: citizens and immigrants alike, about where unchecked propaganda and tribalist rhetoric ultimately lead.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: History has already shown us the terrible cost of division.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: For example, in 1994, extremist propaganda in Rwanda turned neighbors against each other, which led to the tragic killing of the Tutsi, ethnic minority, and moderate Hutus.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: If we let outside stories split our community into groups like majority versus minority or native versus newcomer, we risk losing our strength and unity.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: We should not let social media algorithms divide us.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, we need to focus on facts, address our shared economic challenges, and pursue strategies that advance our families.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Collaboration strengthens us, and our future depends on unity.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for coming back to listen to the APAJ Hard Charger Podcast show.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Next week, we'll talk about more immigration topics.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Soon, we'll also interview former immigration officials to hear their thoughts on changes in the old and new guard at the INS.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: As always, we bid you a good dayslash evening or night wherever you are.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: And remember, much respect is given as it is received.